Just a small correction; life orb+sheer force isn´t a 60% buff to his attacks, but 69%. The two 1.3 boosts from it´s item and ability are applied seperately and not counted together. An attack with a power of 100 would be calculated like this. 100x1,3 (life orb)=130 130x1.3 (sheer force)=169
Nidoking was already good with that 85 special attack imagine that 115 plus life orb plus sheer force and it also has bolt beam coverage i think it would have a chance in OU or UU
@@hoshino353 Even with these changes it's way worse than Landorus. Landorus has 101 speed a ground immunity and every boosting move under the sun while Nidoking does not.
@@user-un8jx8yo7z The extra turn one instant boost from life orb with no downsides from it and the absolutely stupid bonkers movepool would probably make it a real threat there. As long as you're not playing under the (What I feel is completely stupid) open teamsheets style if this buffed version hit the filed I would just be praying I can't kill it quickly because who knows what kind of wack set it might be running.
mega nidoking would probably be worse than the psuedo version, because it can’t use life orb(unless of course, it was a mega version of the psedo-king)
Really great video. I think it's the first theorycraft video i've seen with and actual showcase of what the pokémon would look like in actual gameplay ngl. It probably takes some more time to do that regular ones, but i'd love to see more video of this style from you.
Thank you so much! It does take more time but that time is worth it for me. Can really showcase the potential that these pokemon unfortunately never had! Much more to come in the future.
Tough Claws fits more than Rough Skin I believe, as Rough Skin is a purely defensive ability, which does not fit Nidoking as well. Now I know that Tough Claws isn't in gen 5, but for hypotheticals, it would be better.
The last 35 points should have gone to HP as HP helps both defensive stats overall. Either way. At 100 Speed, few things are going to survive getting hit by Sheer Force Nidoking if it's going first and it will go first most of the time.
reminds me of zen mode's fixing pokemon series but on a smaller scale, you should definitely make more of these id love to see more Pseudos for each gen, Aggron would be a killer pick for gen 3
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as a diehard Nidoking lover, this video satisfied a need deep within my soul. thank you. heres hoping we get mega nidoking with a badass design and these stats in legends za!!!
Surprised you only have 1k subscribers given the production value. This series is a really cool concept, I think your channel has a good chance at blowing up because of it
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They should change Rivalry to where it does more damage to a Pokémon that shares the user’s type like in the Mystery Dungeon games. Either that or just remove the reduction for opposite genders.
So it basically turned into a different typed Salamence. It's not as tanky with Salamence's Intimidate, and while it does have 5 more Spatk than Sal, Sal gets Draco Meteor compared to the shaking low acc power moves Nidoking gets. It kinda feels like a Sal + TTar combo. Still love the idea. Nidoking is one of the best designed mons out there.
Subscribed, cool format of videos :) The ending was cathartic to see your Nidoking turn into an one-shot machine. If only my Nidoking in my old FireRed game acted like him! 🤣
@@IStillPlayWhite2 I can't believe he still doesn't have a mega. Or at least a regional form. I feel like male / female evolution lines aren't used enough since then, Salazzle need a male evolution line too. Same for some other pokemons like Vespiquen where they really could use a Vespiking or something.
To make it a true Pseudo-Legendary, it should probably get some petty stat buff, like buffing Speed to 103 just to stick it to Garchomp, who himself had 102 to ouclass Flygon back in the days. 😂
Glad you didnt just give it an extra 45 special attack and 50 speed and call it a day so many pokemon "fixing" videos are like that and its so uninspired also kudos for retaining its identity as a mized attacker
One other thing pseudo-legendaries have which Nidoking would need to have changed is the levels in which it evolves. If you left it as level 16 for Nidorino and then using a moon stone for Nidoking, then a player could have a Nidoking by the time they get to Misty in Kanto. I would say that it should evolve into Nidorino at level 25 and then Nidoking at level 50. Great stuff btw, you should continue this series with other three stage lines.
forget making new pokemon psuedo legendaries, make regional forms of non psuedo legends and make them psuedo legendaries! or just make muk one, a bulky psuedo legend sounds cool
What if flygon was a pseudo legendary flygon is one of my favorite Pokemon and I believe it deserves to be a pseudo legendary like its counterparts salamence
i think 5 spatt could be traded for 5 att. remember that in comp (er, in the only format i acknowledge, no idea what it does in doubles if anything) nidoking never runs physical sets. it's still a mixed attacker by virtue of its options, as the moves that make use of the physical side are just weaker yet use the higher attacking stat to compensate. gunk shot, earthquake, and some punches need to keep up in damage output. with the proposed stats (122/110 offenses): 252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 257-304 (63.6 - 75.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew: 348-411 (86.1 - 101.7%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO 252+ Atk Life Orb Nidoking Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew: 224-265 (55.4 - 65.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew: 231-274 (57.1 - 67.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO gunk shot is basically its only super good physical attack, whereas for special attacks the life orb sheer force boost lets it have much better rounded attacks.
I feel like they knew that a special Nidoking made for a better Nidoking, as showcased by what they used in the video. Increasing the Attack still gives it the proportionally niche option for its Physical moves, or coverage in Superpower, for example. If they truly wanted to lean into what was best for it, they’d have disregarded the Attack entirely and buffed up Sp. Atk to even more insane levels of broken. But sure, if your point is that it should be slightly more powerful than it would be currently, then that’s fine as well 👍🏼
@@yuhbruh4866 if it wasnt meant to be a mixed attacker then it shouldnt be one. with sheer force 110 spatt is still absurdly strong. it was clearly stated in the video that nidoking is still a mixed attacker in this hypothetical. hence why i skewed things to make it slightly behave more mixed.
@@pikminman13 _(Warning for a long ass comment)_ I never said Nidoking as a whole wasn’t meant to be a mixed attacker, but I actually misunderstood you myself first lol, so that’s fair enough, and I understand the confusion. We’re actually pretty much in agreement. I thought you were recommending +5 Special Attack & -5 Attack, so I was making the point that it still appreciated the Attack for the aforementioned reasons, i.e. Superpower to break through Chansey/Blissey. Reading your comment the other way around was what made me bring up the theoretical hyper-optimisation of a Sheer Force attacker as purely Special, and why they didn’t go for that despite knowing it’d likely lean Special, anyway. That said, I’d totally be down to swap 5 Special Attack for Attack. Hell, I might even cautiously advocate for a *sliightly* higher boost, as well. The special coverage already gives far too good of a reason to lean further special over mixed, for a few reasons: 4 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Gunk Shot vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 261-308 (76.5 - 90.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 257-304 (75.3 - 89.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 234-277 (68.6 - 81.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO *Earth Power still outdamages EQ, which you’re already aware of.* Running max Attack wouldn’t buff most of Nidoking’s deadly coverage, which is a huge part of its potency. Even +Speed versions aren’t drastically stronger with Gunk Shot, which already came with the trade-off of 80 Accuracy & 8 PP. So I say you emphasise it a little more, perhaps with -4 Defense & -3 Sp. Def (leaving both @ 90) in exchange for an additional 7 in Attack. Is 129/110 a lil insane? Perhaps, but the Sheer Force pseudo already made it comparable to Lando-I 😂 Could do 125 or 126 to be safe. Besides, it’s still Earth Powering, Flamethrowering, Ice Beaming, Thunderbolting… just that now, Gunk Shot is solidified as a threat, while also giving the niche Superpower & Sucker Punch more legs to stand with.
If we compare it to Gen 9 monstrosities like Baxcalibur and Archaludon, then we don't have to hold back with the buffs. Give this Nidoking access to Gunk Shot, Icicle Crash, and Play Rough on the physical side, and access to moves like Swords Dance, Bulk Up, and Nasty Plot for setup. Lowkey want to give it DD, because T-tar gets it so why not, but that 100 base Speed would ensure it never touches OU for at least two generations. Though, to be honest, all of that would probably let it have a pretty good niche even in Ubers; being very slightly slower and frailer (I think) than Landorus-I in exchange for an insane special Sheer Force moveset, a lack of an Ice type quad weakness, and resistance to Stealth Rock.
Thank you so much for these suggestions. Increasing its movepool variety was something I should have covered! It was more so overlooked due to his already monstrous pool of attacks already, but you made some very valid points.
I loved this video! My particular addition -- if we *had to* keep this thing from being busted, and for better flavor/realism, I'd give it the same stats except 90 speed (it doesn't look that fast) and 99/98 Def./Sp.Def. Not nearly as exciting, but Nido doesn't look that fast. 90 speed is still more than usable, and the greater bulk is very believable and very handy.
Here’s how I’d change Nidoking (as a physical attacker fan myself): With 95 points to work with, putting them all into attack would be…unwise. Nothing changes, except attack which would go to *197* (the single highest attacking stat of all Pokémon, even mega Mewtwo Y’s special attack is only 194) So instead, I suggest this. HP: +5 (from 81 to 86) Attack: +35 (from 102 to 137, meaning it has the same attack as Solgaleo) Defence: +10 (from 77 to 87) Special attack: +17 (from 85 to 102) Special defence: +10 (from 75 to 85) Speed: +18 (from 85 to 103, meaning it can now outspeed garchomp) This does prioritise attack a solid bit, but you could still feasibly run a special attacking set. Supplemented with life orb and sheer force, an earthquake from this boosted set would *HURT* as for abilities, this would make it broken, but switch rivalry for defiant.
@@IStillPlayWhite2 even without the stat boost, giving Nidoking moves like poison jab, earthquake, icicle crash, dragon claw, crunch and other moves would make it better. Give it the boosts I’ve given and then use earthquake and with the boosts from sheer force and life orb, that’d *HURT*
@@IStillPlayWhite2 considering Nidoking is now faster than Garchomp and hits as hard as a Solgaleo (physically), with bulk that’s nothing crazy, but nothing to look over means one of my favourite poison types just became BUSTED. *and then I gave it defiant*
I was in Saffron in Pokemmo beating Team Rocket on the tower. I kid you not, i almost swipped everyone with Nidoking besides Gary and Giovanni, yet he still did well Hinoru is a goat in my team
I'd say rather than rough skin, you should give it Guts as a replacement with rivalry. Rough skin is a purely defensive ability, and Nidoking even after the buff, doesn't have the defensive prowess or staying power to utilize it to its fullest. Guts at least bolsters its physical sets and gives players more options.
Thank you :) Its just a mechanic in Pokemon that Gamefreakj implemented, theres really no concrete explanation as to why Sheer Force and Life Orb merge! It seems that sheer force removes the negative effect from the Life Orb alongside the secondary effects from moves like Sludge Wave.
Dude Nidoking has been UU in every gen since RSE but still gets occasional OU play. This buffed version belongs in Ubers with Landorus Incarnate who has a nearly identical role to Nidoking as a Sheer Force abuser. The only relevant difference between this new Nidoking and Lando (other than typing) is one less point in speed and a better movepool. You accidentally remade Lando.
You'd think so! My intention is just to buff these Pokemon; Miltank has a base speed of 100 but for the sake of design sometimes we have to expand a little past reality
Nidoking is clearly intended to be a physical threat by Gamefreak, with its Attack far higher than his other stats. With the stat spread you gave and not giving him better moves, all people will just use a special moveset. I'd give him a much higher physical stat, like 120 Attack/95 Sp. Atk, and give him some good physical coverage affected by Sheer Force. Cross Chop and Gunk Shot for example. And give him a signature Ground type that will work with Sheer Force. Remember, special moveset still has the advantage of not having to worry with contact abilities, burn, and Intimidate, as well as reliable strong and accurate moves: Ice Beam, Flamethrower, etc. Physical moveset is stuck with weaker alternative to those (Ice Punch, Fire Punch) or inaccurate moves (Stone Edge).
The Nidoking we deserve 😢 Can I suggest Volcarona next? Ignore its 2-phase evo/imagine it has 3 phase, I just wanna see Volcarona with its deserved potential. Edit: ngl he seems too fast for his bulk, maybe some of that juicy spd could go to hp and def
@@farisanwari777 that wasn’t a fan game! it was pokemon white 2. It has the Pokemon World Tournament in it, and yeah i modded a buffed nidoking into it. :)
People will tell you that he isn't a pseudo because Archaludon doesn't check the "3 requirements", Don't listen to them just don't, Pseudo-legendary is a fan term, it's not official, Japanese people will tell you that a Pokémon just needs to have 600 bst, If you ask, no Pokémon like slacking are not considered pseudos because they are gimmick mons, So a Pokémon to be a Pseudo just needs 600 bst and doesn't have to be a gimmick or a legendary ( the last one is obvious but some people really asked that).
@@IStillPlayWhite2It's not the same thing, Flygon is one of those Pokémon people want to call Pseudo-pseudo-legendary (Bruh) so Pokémon people wish they were pseudos but obviously are not, Archaludon has 600 bst doesn't have a gimmick and is not a legend or a special mon like Ubs or paradoxes, So he is in fact a pseudo.
@@paololoporto1147you’re forgetting about the fact that he’s not a 3 stage evolution :3 I like to be as accurate and specific as possible! If it doesn’t fit the criteria, then it won’t count.
@@IStillPlayWhite2People can't just admit that things can change, Like legends were Pokémon with high stats (570-600+ bst) that couldnt evolve or have an evolution line.... then cosmog arrived and other legends with less than 570 bst, if an official term can change how it works imagine an unofficial one.
@@IStillPlayWhite2 oh and ursaluna (both forms), or even Krookodile, either way the point is, ground types are pretty busted. No wonder Groudon is considered amongst the top Pokemon ever made in battling, especially primal
I have a long list of Pokemon I want to rework, including some Ubers :) My first Pokemon game was Black Version, so you know I want to make Reshiram good again ;)
@@IStillPlayWhite2 Mine was Emerald we all know wtf happened to mega rayquaza lets give love to Reshiram quite embarrassing its outclassed as a special attacker by a freaking physical attacker
@@hoshino353 its speed is one big issue alongside its awkward typing in certain scenarios, theres lots of things I can do to him! I wish it didnt suck so much in Ubers
@@IStillPlayWhite2 yeah stealth rocks really did something to it plus its a dragon type neutral to water so thats a negative and then the instruction of fairy types ended it Xerneas really needs to pay for its crimes
Just a small correction;
life orb+sheer force isn´t a 60% buff to his attacks, but 69%. The two 1.3 boosts from it´s item and ability are applied seperately and not counted together.
An attack with a power of 100 would be calculated like this.
100x1,3 (life orb)=130
130x1.3 (sheer force)=169
@@gaukaiser Thanks a lot! A few others commented about this so i really appreciate the breakdown.
69 noice🤌
69 noice
I have a life orb sheer Force Nidoking Physical attacker with moves :
Poison Jab
Earthquake
Megahorn
Rockslide/Stone Edge
Is this good ?
nice
Nidoking was already good with that 85 special attack imagine that 115 plus life orb plus sheer force and it also has bolt beam coverage i think it would have a chance in OU or UU
Totally agree. I might have made it TOO strong as seen in the gameplay later on in the video LOL
@@IStillPlayWhite2 it has the same special as landurus incarnate and landurus got banned to Ubers
@@hoshino353 banish Nidoking to Ubers as well 😈
@@hoshino353 Even with these changes it's way worse than Landorus. Landorus has 101 speed a ground immunity and every boosting move under the sun while Nidoking does not.
@@user-un8jx8yo7z The extra turn one instant boost from life orb with no downsides from it and the absolutely stupid bonkers movepool would probably make it a real threat there. As long as you're not playing under the (What I feel is completely stupid) open teamsheets style if this buffed version hit the filed I would just be praying I can't kill it quickly because who knows what kind of wack set it might be running.
You basically just made landorus incarnate with a better movepool and 1 less speed point
Yup! I didnt even realize that till afterwards!
and poison STAB
If you weren’t considering it before, you should definitely consider making this into a series in the future
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MAKE HAXERSOSU PSEUDO I BEGGGG
@@IStillPlayWhite2Feraligatr next then please
Pump 5 more stat points into that speed stat and you've just made an insane mega Nidoking theorycraft tbh (since megas always have +100 to their bst)
Bro wouldve been thrown into Anything Goes LOL
mega nidoking would probably be worse than the psuedo version, because it can’t use life orb(unless of course, it was a mega version of the psedo-king)
@@ItzYell0w33 now i wanna know what THAT would look like
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Love your buffing pokemon videos. You are buff very reasonable and well thought out
much appreciated man! stay tuned for todays pseudo buff :)
Pseudolegendary nidoking would be so broken but it’s such a baller that I would absolutely be down for it
Id be so down to see it broken
This Nidoking video is peak, but since you buffed Nidoking, it would make sense to buff his (100% male) counterpart, Nidoqueen.
I was thinking of originally doing that, but Nidoking is just par more popular (and cooler if im being honest) ;)
Hmm yes nidoqueen, the 100% male pokemon
@@AnnieC.1993I was referring to Nidoking as a male because he has a 100% male gender ratio
1:40, life orb and sheer force are actually multiplicative, so the net boost with both is roughly 69%.
thanks for the correction, i miscalculated a tiny bit!!
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Really great video. I think it's the first theorycraft video i've seen with and actual showcase of what the pokémon would look like in actual gameplay ngl. It probably takes some more time to do that regular ones, but i'd love to see more video of this style from you.
Thank you so much! It does take more time but that time is worth it for me. Can really showcase the potential that these pokemon unfortunately never had! Much more to come in the future.
Tough Claws fits more than Rough Skin I believe, as Rough Skin is a purely defensive ability, which does not fit Nidoking as well. Now I know that Tough Claws isn't in gen 5, but for hypotheticals, it would be better.
ITs okay that its not in Gen 5! I add abilities and moves from every generation
@@IStillPlayWhite2 Ah okay! I didn't know that.
I saw the title and I said I wish bro
me too. me too.
The last 35 points should have gone to HP as HP helps both defensive stats overall. Either way. At 100 Speed, few things are going to survive getting hit by Sheer Force Nidoking if it's going first and it will go first most of the time.
reminds me of zen mode's fixing pokemon series but on a smaller scale, you should definitely make more of these id love to see more Pseudos for each gen, Aggron would be a killer pick for gen 3
Ive never seen or heard of him till i just looked him up now! He has a cool video format.
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@@lenoon3814 that means so much to me to have no clue. my only goal is to provide high quality content to yall, thanks so much for the kind words 🫶🫶
as a diehard Nidoking lover, this video satisfied a need deep within my soul. thank you.
heres hoping we get mega nidoking with a badass design and these stats in legends za!!!
One could hope! Glad you enjoyed the video as well, much more to come :)
Surprised you only have 1k subscribers given the production value. This series is a really cool concept, I think your channel has a good chance at blowing up because of it
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much appreciated dawg 🫶🫶 lots to come!
They should change Rivalry to where it does more damage to a Pokémon that shares the user’s type like in the Mystery Dungeon games. Either that or just remove the reduction for opposite genders.
@@Hyper_Drud i totally agree, or maybe just a straight out damage buff!
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So it basically turned into a different typed Salamence. It's not as tanky with Salamence's Intimidate, and while it does have 5 more Spatk than Sal, Sal gets Draco Meteor compared to the shaking low acc power moves Nidoking gets. It kinda feels like a Sal + TTar combo. Still love the idea. Nidoking is one of the best designed mons out there.
Thanks for the feedback, I agree :)
I swapped two points from physical attack to speed to just make better Landorus incarnate.
sheer force nidoking was already a menace
once he entered the field you had to either predict correctly or pick a sac... imagine with these stat buffs
Yup! Nidoking is always a scary threat, and always will be no matter the tier hes in!
Just found your channel, i love this series ❤ hope there are a lot more coming
Subscribed, cool format of videos :)
The ending was cathartic to see your Nidoking turn into an one-shot machine. If only my Nidoking in my old FireRed game acted like him! 🤣
Thanks for the support ;) It was super satisfying to just plow through the enemy team LOL
King ans Queen had amazing coverage. Stats held them back...
Not hard to make them broken with only 30 in the right places...
totally agree!
Very underrated video! Nicely done :)
I appreciate it !
More videos like this brother please
on it 🤝
A Video giving some respect to my favourite pokemon of all time since forever ?
HELL YEAH
nidoking is the GOATTTT
Nidoking is also my favorite pokemon and seeing this video makes me very happy
Special set does more damage than physicaö set
It's a shame Nidoking always felt weaker than he should, I always liked his evolution line and the fact he makes a duo with Nidoqueen.
I agree :( I wish Gamefreak gave them more love in the later generations of games.
@@IStillPlayWhite2 I can't believe he still doesn't have a mega. Or at least a regional form.
I feel like male / female evolution lines aren't used enough since then, Salazzle need a male evolution line too. Same for some other pokemons like Vespiquen where they really could use a Vespiking or something.
To make it a true Pseudo-Legendary, it should probably get some petty stat buff, like buffing Speed to 103 just to stick it to Garchomp, who himself had 102 to ouclass Flygon back in the days. 😂
Glad you didnt just give it an extra 45 special attack and 50 speed and call it a day so many pokemon "fixing" videos are like that and its so uninspired also kudos for retaining its identity as a mized attacker
Thanks for the kind words :) I always like to study and go in depth to create these re-vamped Pokemon.
One other thing pseudo-legendaries have which Nidoking would need to have changed is the levels in which it evolves. If you left it as level 16 for Nidorino and then using a moon stone for Nidoking, then a player could have a Nidoking by the time they get to Misty in Kanto. I would say that it should evolve into Nidorino at level 25 and then Nidoking at level 50. Great stuff btw, you should continue this series with other three stage lines.
Very good point. I completely overlooked that aspect!
What if Lucario was a Pseudo Legendary?
Your editing is fire man
I really appreciate that!
Awesome and unique video! Keep em up dude 💪
much appreciated! lots to come.
forget making new pokemon psuedo legendaries, make regional forms of non psuedo legends and make them psuedo legendaries!
or just make muk one, a bulky psuedo legend sounds cool
interesting!
you should lower the music volume next time so we can hear you better, good video man!
Much appreciated :)
We need some Nidoqueen love
I will change his stats in pokemon stadium 1 😅
What if flygon was a pseudo legendary flygon is one of my favorite Pokemon and I believe it deserves to be a pseudo legendary like its counterparts salamence
Thats on the list, I promise ;)
i think 5 spatt could be traded for 5 att. remember that in comp (er, in the only format i acknowledge, no idea what it does in doubles if anything) nidoking never runs physical sets. it's still a mixed attacker by virtue of its options, as the moves that make use of the physical side are just weaker yet use the higher attacking stat to compensate. gunk shot, earthquake, and some punches need to keep up in damage output.
with the proposed stats (122/110 offenses):
252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 257-304 (63.6 - 75.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew: 348-411 (86.1 - 101.7%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Nidoking Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew: 224-265 (55.4 - 65.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew: 231-274 (57.1 - 67.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
gunk shot is basically its only super good physical attack, whereas for special attacks the life orb sheer force boost lets it have much better rounded attacks.
very interesting breakdown! I appreciate you taking the time into looking into interactions, super useful data!
I feel like they knew that a special Nidoking made for a better Nidoking, as showcased by what they used in the video. Increasing the Attack still gives it the proportionally niche option for its Physical moves, or coverage in Superpower, for example.
If they truly wanted to lean into what was best for it, they’d have disregarded the Attack entirely and buffed up Sp. Atk to even more insane levels of broken.
But sure, if your point is that it should be slightly more powerful than it would be currently, then that’s fine as well 👍🏼
@@yuhbruh4866 if it wasnt meant to be a mixed attacker then it shouldnt be one. with sheer force 110 spatt is still absurdly strong. it was clearly stated in the video that nidoking is still a mixed attacker in this hypothetical. hence why i skewed things to make it slightly behave more mixed.
@@pikminman13
_(Warning for a long ass comment)_
I never said Nidoking as a whole wasn’t meant to be a mixed attacker, but I actually misunderstood you myself first lol, so that’s fair enough, and I understand the confusion.
We’re actually pretty much in agreement. I thought you were recommending +5 Special Attack & -5 Attack, so I was making the point that it still appreciated the Attack for the aforementioned reasons, i.e. Superpower to break through Chansey/Blissey.
Reading your comment the other way around was what made me bring up the theoretical hyper-optimisation of a Sheer Force attacker as purely Special, and why they didn’t go for that despite knowing it’d likely lean Special, anyway.
That said, I’d totally be down to swap 5 Special Attack for Attack. Hell, I might even cautiously advocate for a *sliightly* higher boost, as well.
The special coverage already gives far too good of a reason to lean further special over mixed, for a few reasons:
4 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Gunk Shot vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 261-308 (76.5 - 90.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 257-304 (75.3 - 89.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 234-277 (68.6 - 81.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
*Earth Power still outdamages EQ, which you’re already aware of.*
Running max Attack wouldn’t buff most of Nidoking’s deadly coverage, which is a huge part of its potency. Even +Speed versions aren’t drastically stronger with Gunk Shot, which already came with the trade-off of 80 Accuracy & 8 PP.
So I say you emphasise it a little more, perhaps with -4 Defense & -3 Sp. Def (leaving both @ 90) in exchange for an additional 7 in Attack.
Is 129/110 a lil insane? Perhaps, but the Sheer Force pseudo already made it comparable to Lando-I 😂 Could do 125 or 126 to be safe.
Besides, it’s still Earth Powering, Flamethrowering, Ice Beaming, Thunderbolting… just that now, Gunk Shot is solidified as a threat, while also giving the niche Superpower & Sucker Punch more legs to stand with.
If we compare it to Gen 9 monstrosities like Baxcalibur and Archaludon, then we don't have to hold back with the buffs. Give this Nidoking access to Gunk Shot, Icicle Crash, and Play Rough on the physical side, and access to moves like Swords Dance, Bulk Up, and Nasty Plot for setup. Lowkey want to give it DD, because T-tar gets it so why not, but that 100 base Speed would ensure it never touches OU for at least two generations. Though, to be honest, all of that would probably let it have a pretty good niche even in Ubers; being very slightly slower and frailer (I think) than Landorus-I in exchange for an insane special Sheer Force moveset, a lack of an Ice type quad weakness, and resistance to Stealth Rock.
Thank you so much for these suggestions. Increasing its movepool variety was something I should have covered! It was more so overlooked due to his already monstrous pool of attacks already, but you made some very valid points.
Great video, really enjoyed it, I just wish the other sounds were a little bit lower compared to your voice!
Thanks for the feedback! I do agree the audio mixing could have been better.
I loved this video! My particular addition -- if we *had to* keep this thing from being busted, and for better flavor/realism, I'd give it the same stats except 90 speed (it doesn't look that fast) and 99/98 Def./Sp.Def. Not nearly as exciting, but Nido doesn't look that fast. 90 speed is still more than usable, and the greater bulk is very believable and very handy.
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Great video dude
Here’s how I’d change Nidoking (as a physical attacker fan myself):
With 95 points to work with, putting them all into attack would be…unwise. Nothing changes, except attack which would go to *197* (the single highest attacking stat of all Pokémon, even mega Mewtwo Y’s special attack is only 194)
So instead, I suggest this.
HP: +5 (from 81 to 86)
Attack: +35 (from 102 to 137, meaning it has the same attack as Solgaleo)
Defence: +10 (from 77 to 87)
Special attack: +17 (from 85 to 102)
Special defence: +10 (from 75 to 85)
Speed: +18 (from 85 to 103, meaning it can now outspeed garchomp)
This does prioritise attack a solid bit, but you could still feasibly run a special attacking set. Supplemented with life orb and sheer force, an earthquake from this boosted set would *HURT* as for abilities, this would make it broken, but switch rivalry for defiant.
I really like the ideas that you have! I wish Nidoking had access to stronger physical moves that could actually take advantage of Sheer Force.
@@IStillPlayWhite2 even without the stat boost, giving Nidoking moves like poison jab, earthquake, icicle crash, dragon claw, crunch and other moves would make it better. Give it the boosts I’ve given and then use earthquake and with the boosts from sheer force and life orb, that’d *HURT*
@@venomgaming7014 send that man to anything goes once he gets those attacks ‼️‼️
@@IStillPlayWhite2 considering Nidoking is now faster than Garchomp and hits as hard as a Solgaleo (physically), with bulk that’s nothing crazy, but nothing to look over means one of my favourite poison types just became BUSTED. *and then I gave it defiant*
I was in Saffron in Pokemmo beating Team Rocket on the tower. I kid you not, i almost swipped everyone with Nidoking besides Gary and Giovanni, yet he still did well
Hinoru is a goat in my team
He is absolutely absurd in a playthrough, such a goated Pokemon.
Okay, but what about my girl Nidoqueen.
i would just dump all 95 points into special attack, so 180 special attack with life orb sheer force, nidoking is now uber xD
LMAO lets do it ❗
Great vid great editing 👏
Move 3 points from Atk to Speed then you’ll have the final nail in the coffin for Garchomp :(
gonna send him down to RU after that i swear to god lol.
What if Machamp was a pseudo legendary?
🤔
Honestly… it’s easier to talk about what type coverage Nidoking DOESN’T have
So much easier, I think this guy gets every type in the game haha
@@IStillPlayWhite2 No Grass, or Fairy....and for Flying it has Peck and Psychic it has Confusion
next do my goat aggron🙏 please get aggron justice for such a badass design
on it !
6:13 crit mattered
Haha nice! Did you run the damage calcs?
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I'd say rather than rough skin, you should give it Guts as a replacement with rivalry. Rough skin is a purely defensive ability, and Nidoking even after the buff, doesn't have the defensive prowess or staying power to utilize it to its fullest. Guts at least bolsters its physical sets and gives players more options.
Thats actually a really good idea, and I think it also fits Nidoking since he's super intimidating. Thanks for your feedback!
where are my meganium buffs?!?! lmao the mon has been dog shiii for so long would be cool to see it shine here
thats a pokemon ill be working on down the line, I promise :))
@@IStillPlayWhite2 ya got quite the ways to go fr, keep at it bro 👍
Great video can’t wait for more
This is no kidding just Landorus-Incarnate stats, lmao.
very, VERY similar. Landorus will probably always be better due to its typing unfortunately.
I can't wait for more videos man
Thank you for the love fam
100 speed is wild ngl but Im down 😭
we definitely made bro overpowered
Nidoking evolves with a moonstone, give it fairy type. Poison/fairy.
Maybe for Nidoqueen, if I ever get around to her!
new sub!! like the vid. quick question: why does sheer force work ono life orb if it isnt a move?
Thank you :) Its just a mechanic in Pokemon that Gamefreakj implemented, theres really no concrete explanation as to why Sheer Force and Life Orb merge! It seems that sheer force removes the negative effect from the Life Orb alongside the secondary effects from moves like Sludge Wave.
Dude Nidoking has been UU in every gen since RSE but still gets occasional OU play. This buffed version belongs in Ubers with Landorus Incarnate who has a nearly identical role to Nidoking as a Sheer Force abuser. The only relevant difference between this new Nidoking and Lando (other than typing) is one less point in speed and a better movepool. You accidentally remade Lando.
Yep 😥At least he has an expanded movepool? lol.
Nidoking is my no.1 favourite Pokemon if it was pseudo legendary it'd be super cool.
Cool vid how about you do aggron and haxorus next cuz they just lack the stats, even though they both look really strong
Good idea with Haxorus. I've gotten alot of comments about Aggron so hes definitely on the list :)
Can't wait for the vid :D
Love the vid
Could you do Aggron too?
Im getting alot of comments on Aggron and Flygon, I might have to do them next :D
I like the content on this channel, but I need a Luxray video
Do one for aggron and flygon too
You already know flygon is somewhere on this list :)
How did you possibly change the base stat total lol? Didn't know that was possible
Watch the video to understand why!
He doesn't need to be a Pseudo Legendary because he already is a Fking Legend
What is the name of the music that is playing in the video?
Its a remixed version of the Kalos E4 music!
Now make a Pseudo Nidoqueen counterpart
Give Nidoking Moxie and watch him destroy the metagame.
nidoking with base 100 speed just feels wrong. He looks slow, he should be slowish
You'd think so! My intention is just to buff these Pokemon; Miltank has a base speed of 100 but for the sake of design sometimes we have to expand a little past reality
Nidoking is clearly intended to be a physical threat by Gamefreak, with its Attack far higher than his other stats. With the stat spread you gave and not giving him better moves, all people will just use a special moveset.
I'd give him a much higher physical stat, like 120 Attack/95 Sp. Atk, and give him some good physical coverage affected by Sheer Force. Cross Chop and Gunk Shot for example. And give him a signature Ground type that will work with Sheer Force.
Remember, special moveset still has the advantage of not having to worry with contact abilities, burn, and Intimidate, as well as reliable strong and accurate moves: Ice Beam, Flamethrower, etc. Physical moveset is stuck with weaker alternative to those (Ice Punch, Fire Punch) or inaccurate moves (Stone Edge).
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I love most Bug, Ground & Poison mons
likewise, Nidoking is way too cool to not be good.
We need this nidoking video thank you
gotchu 🤝
Nah, 100 spc attack is fine. Leave speed, boost def spc defense and hp. Tanky
The Nidoking we deserve 😢
Can I suggest Volcarona next? Ignore its 2-phase evo/imagine it has 3 phase, I just wanna see Volcarona with its deserved potential.
Edit: ngl he seems too fast for his bulk, maybe some of that juicy spd could go to hp and def
Volcarona could be a cool pokemon I can make into a Pseudo! I'm a Gen 5 boy, so that would be so much fun for me to cover.
@@IStillPlayWhite2 lmao yeah that modded/fangame u showed also used gen 5 assets, or is it OG gen 5 but u inserted a modified nidoking?
@@farisanwari777 that wasn’t a fan game! it was pokemon white 2. It has the Pokemon World Tournament in it, and yeah i modded a buffed nidoking into it. :)
@@IStillPlayWhite2 ohh thanks for the info!
I don’t think the first requirement even counts, considering Archaludon is a pseudo too. At least, it probably is? Seems like a debated topic
People will tell you that he isn't a pseudo because Archaludon doesn't check the "3 requirements", Don't listen to them just don't, Pseudo-legendary is a fan term, it's not official, Japanese people will tell you that a Pokémon just needs to have 600 bst, If you ask, no Pokémon like slacking are not considered pseudos because they are gimmick mons, So a Pokémon to be a Pseudo just needs 600 bst and doesn't have to be a gimmick or a legendary ( the last one is obvious but some people really asked that).
Its probably dubbed a "pseudo legendary" because the community does that...same thing with Flygon! It does look like one for sure.
@@IStillPlayWhite2It's not the same thing, Flygon is one of those Pokémon people want to call Pseudo-pseudo-legendary (Bruh) so Pokémon people wish they were pseudos but obviously are not, Archaludon has 600 bst doesn't have a gimmick and is not a legend or a special mon like Ubs or paradoxes, So he is in fact a pseudo.
@@paololoporto1147you’re forgetting about the fact that he’s not a 3 stage evolution :3 I like to be as accurate and specific as possible! If it doesn’t fit the criteria, then it won’t count.
@@IStillPlayWhite2People can't just admit that things can change, Like legends were Pokémon with high stats (570-600+ bst) that couldnt evolve or have an evolution line.... then cosmog arrived and other legends with less than 570 bst, if an official term can change how it works imagine an unofficial one.
Best video ever
I could have assumed ground types because those mfs are strong. I’m looking at hippowdon, steelix (mega included, same with the next one) aggron.
100%. There are alot of good potential Pseudo legendaries!
@@IStillPlayWhite2 oh and ursaluna (both forms), or even Krookodile, either way the point is, ground types are pretty busted. No wonder Groudon is considered amongst the top Pokemon ever made in battling, especially primal
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To powerful at most base 90 speed 😅
Can u try fixing Reshiram next its really bad in ubers and in national dex Primal Groudon outclasses it as a special fire type attacker
I have a long list of Pokemon I want to rework, including some Ubers :) My first Pokemon game was Black Version, so you know I want to make Reshiram good again ;)
@@IStillPlayWhite2 Mine was Emerald we all know wtf happened to mega rayquaza lets give love to Reshiram quite embarrassing its outclassed as a special attacker by a freaking physical attacker
@@hoshino353 its speed is one big issue alongside its awkward typing in certain scenarios, theres lots of things I can do to him! I wish it didnt suck so much in Ubers
@@IStillPlayWhite2 yeah stealth rocks really did something to it plus its a dragon type neutral to water so thats a negative and then the instruction of fairy types ended it Xerneas really needs to pay for its crimes
@@hoshino353exactly that, power creep is one helluva drug
Bro made Mega Nidoking 🤣
Need you on the dev team
Aggron, Haxorus, and Volcorona would also make for some sick pseudos... just sayin... :3
*edit: also rhyperior
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Nidoking and queen need some love
Jesus for some reason more than 75% of pseudo legendaries are dragons
Gamefreak clearly has a bias smh
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