Timemore Sculptor 078S is here! My first impressions.

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  • Опубліковано 26 гру 2024

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  • @gero77
    @gero77 Місяць тому

    Thanks so much Jack, yet another great video! Can't wait to see the comparisons going forward!

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому

      @@gero77 thank you very much for your kind words. New review is coming this Saturday.

  • @foodieontour
    @foodieontour Місяць тому +3

    Bought the 78s a few months ago with usage of 3-5 cups a day and are still blown away from the extreme tight tolerances and the quality outcome of ground coffee. It rivals much more expensive grinders I had the chance to use before (were not mine though so limited exposure). I predominantly drink light or medium-light roasts from my region (SE Asia) and because of that only did fine to very fine grinds so far (0.3-0.8, mostly 0.4). Especially with these light roasts the improvements are gigantic. With dark roasts I wouldn't expect that much of a difference. This grinder is crazy in terms of low to no retention at all, what you put in you get out, down to 0.02-0.05 grams. It is crazy. The quality of my coffee improved significantly with the outcome of this grinder. The rpm wheel is no issue for me, I never change it anyways, always on max speed. The in build knocker is genius and contributes to the crazy low retention rate. The magnetic catching cup is not only genius and functional but also very cool and fun to use, every day. I love to use the brush - something I never used before.
    Negatives: The on/off switch has to be pushed evenly or it doesn't actuate. The round white plastic bits/ends inside the hopper did get a bit brown with time from the oil (you only see when the lid is off). Some broken pieces of bean fines tend to jump out of the hopper (just close the lid). Recently (after 3-4 months) with 0,3 grind setting (extremely fine) I started to hear the burrs occasionally making a slight touching noise. That was not the case in the first months - maybe that can be fixed with maintenance. I have to admit the tight tolerances give me respect to open the grinder and clean it... putting it back together might turn out to be a challenge - but it has to happen at some point. I don't like how the power cable comes out at the back, takes too much space towards the wall or anything behind it, a 90 degree cable would have been better. I do have a white model and yes is can collect some specs of coffee drips or dust but so far it is a pleasure to give it a wipe after using.
    Overall I love the 78s. I used a 58mm flat steel burr with a strong motor (super noisy) before and was happy with it. Now I am blown away by the difference. How quiet. The retention rate. The quality outcome. I consider the value spectacular, what you get for the price is hard to believe. Oh and even the female of the house is able to use the grinder without issues - it is very easy to use and get good results from. It will come down to how the grinder holds up over the years. My old grinder is over 20 years and still does the job respectably. Curious to see how Timemore will hold up, Chinese engineering and manufacturing versus Italian...

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому +1

      @@foodieontour Thank you very much for this comprehensive review. Looks like you would be running this channel better than myself 😁 Do you like it for pour overs as well?

    • @foodieontour
      @foodieontour Місяць тому

      @@mycoffeeshow111 love to watch your videos, please go on with those !!
      No pour overs for me for many years, which was also due to the limitations of my old grinder. Frankly I miss them, especially in the afternoon. Maybe I will give it a shot in the future with the Timemore. So far I thoroughly enjoy the results of the 78s and put more energy in trying all kinds of roasts from the region. Coffee roasting has and is picking up in Thailand, Laos, Myanmar. A lot of good stuff to find (in a pile of rubble).

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому

      @ Thank you very much! If you try pour over, please let us know how you liked it.

  • @ericbaluya361
    @ericbaluya361 Місяць тому +1

    Will wait for the next kickstarter for the Sculptor II. Happy with my 064S.

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому +1

      @@ericbaluya361 I see your point. I don’t think they will be doing Kickstarter any time soon but Sculptor Ultra would be a good idea.

  • @TheJolam80
    @TheJolam80 Місяць тому +1

    Jack it's great to see more and more companies sending you gear to review. It's a sign that your work and style is getting recognized.
    That being said, I believe it's time for you to ask local roasters for waste coffee to run through your new burr sets and grinders in order to season them before doing a full review. I'm sure that's more time consuming but it would definitely be a plus for your channel.
    The 078S burrs often need 5kg + before settling in. It's been covered by most reviews, Aramse's notably.

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому +2

      @@TheJolam80 Thank you very much for your kind comment. I contacted so many local roasters and 99% don’t even bother to reply. I had more luck getting some expensive gear than few bags of coffee.

  • @Max-ss2gy
    @Max-ss2gy Місяць тому +4

    I really love my 078s for espresso. I'm not the biggest fan of the filter coffee it produces. It needs a ton of seasoning from my experience and it really needed 7kg until I got really good shots. I did also get the Turbo Burrs as well but I prefer my 64mm SSP brew. Looking back I should've gotten both 078 and 078s through the kickstarter, so I'd have one for espresso and one for filter. Also looking forward to the 78mm SSP burrs.

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому +1

      @@Max-ss2gy Thank you for sharing! Both 078 and 078s would be a great combo. Looks like I will have to keep seasoning it.

  • @coffeecove7058
    @coffeecove7058 Місяць тому +1

    I have a Timemore 078 and really like it. I only seasoned with about 2 1/2KG beans and not the recommended 5kg. I brewed a cup before seasoning just to see how it tasted (had issues) then after 500g, then about another 500 just to learn and see what it was like. when I reached 2500 kg seasoning I could tell a difference and liked what I was getting so stopped seasoning. i think you will like the 078s and something I may consider getting. By the way, I also tried Dark roasts on it and though it was not too bad, not the best and prefer to use the Baratza Virturoso or Urbanic for those. Thanks for sharing and enjoyed the video.

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому

      @@coffeecove7058 thank you very much for watching and sharing your experience. Someone in the comments mentioned 20kg plus for seasoning which seems like a lot. We will see.

    • @coffeecove7058
      @coffeecove7058 Місяць тому

      @@mycoffeeshow111 I have only heard of that much with grinders like the EK's and high larger burr grinders. For Timemore I never heard of needed to go that much. The most would be 5,000kg, or grind beans after doing a certain amount and stop where you like it. That is what I do with my grinders. I brew a cup first then stop where I am happy with the brew.

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому

      @@coffeecove7058 thx again for responding!

  • @foxboxblue
    @foxboxblue Місяць тому

    I have one of these on my coffee bench and really enjoy it and the results in the cup.
    I don’t change rpm often so being hidden on the back isn’t an issue for me - I use my phone and reverse the camera so I can see the adjustment without moving the machine.
    Extremely low retention - almost nothing.
    Is a little hard to work out exactly where you are lined up on the dial for grind size but there is a third party magnetised arrow you can buy to attach to help read front on.
    Great in white and if you keep your setup clean generally it’s no issue to keep this pristine too.
    It does require a stack of seasoning with the stock burrs but once you get there shots are highly repeatable.
    SSP is going to release some 78mm espresso burrs for it so that will be interesting - though likely pricey.

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому

      @@foxboxblue thank you very much for sharing your experience. Are you planning to buy SSP for yours?

    • @foxboxblue
      @foxboxblue Місяць тому

      @@mycoffeeshow111Hey Jack - I think I’ll wait for some reviews to hit first before considering. It would need to be a reasonable step up for me to splash the case but, in principle, yes! 😂 Keep up the good work on your channel! 👍

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому +1

      @ thank you very much!

  • @BensCoffeeRants
    @BensCoffeeRants Місяць тому

    If it actually needs seasoning, 1kg of coffee isn't nearly enough to season such large burrs but also some people / early testers noted it needed like 15kg (or was it pounds?) before it was working decently for espresso. Otherwise they get bad channeling, I didn't find this to be the case with mine before and after seasoning I don't think I noticed too much difference so they may have improved the finishing on their burrs and fixed the burr issues.
    For the popcorning people have developed 3d printed / better anti-popcorn hoppers. The main down side to this grinder I found is that it does benefit from slow feeding (for more flavour clarity / less fines and better consistency) but you can't slow feed without it popcorning and making a mess, so the hopper upgrade would be beneficial. The other thing I didn't like was that the knocker retains a lot of coffee and it's not just fines and chaff, so you might not want to waste it and exclude it.
    I remember enjoying the results for pourover/ brew coffee with the 078s and espresso was very smooth and had a good balance of flavour clarity and body with a nice sweetness usually.

    • @alexsechin9331
      @alexsechin9331 Місяць тому

      @@BensCoffeeRants as I recall, the stock burrs started getting good after something ridiculous like 15-20lbs

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому +1

      Thank you very much for sharing your experience. I will keep using it b4 recording another video, so hopefully by that time it will get even better.
      Very good point on the knocker- i thought it is just my imagination but some coffee stays there so sometimes I knock the knocker on the side to get everything in.

  • @CoreProject05
    @CoreProject05 Місяць тому +1

    On the sculptor the rpm works opposite as any other grinder. And the burrs need roughly 20-25kg seasoning.
    1300: complex, light body
    950: more body, still complex
    Shot times pretty much underpin the above.
    Sculptor user since day0

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому

      @@CoreProject05 thank you very much. Very interesting. Guess I need to keep seasoning

    • @CoreProject05
      @CoreProject05 Місяць тому +1

      @@mycoffeeshow111 yup. 2 pcs of Letter/ A4 size paper are your friends. We have done several comparisons w 98 mm mizen, HU, EG-1 Core and in many cases the sculptor was equally or more complex and interesting. For the kickstarter price this grinder is such a beast :)

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому +1

      @@CoreProject05 I was surprised that time of extraction between top and lower rpm was fluctuating a lot and didn’t follow any logic. The shots on top speed always had more body and overall satisfaction while you said you got more body on lower rpm. I will have to revisit that. Not easy with the way they positioned the dial

  • @grahamXphillips
    @grahamXphillips Місяць тому

    I’ve had an 078s for a year or so. Bought at the kickstarter price. I also have a niche zero which has been absolutely faultless for 4y. Does the 078s always beat the Niche? No. It’s very dependent on the individual bean. I always use a bottom puck filter with the 078s. It makes for much more consistent shots. I’d love to see a comparison with the PHILOS. Thanks for the review Jack. I’m one of your regulars!

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому

      @@grahamXphillips thank you very much for watching and sharing your thoughts. I would love to try Philos but they don’t want to send me one.

  • @deathbert
    @deathbert Місяць тому

    Thanks Jack! I had the same grinder but sold it because I didn’t like various aspects of it, like the speed indicator position you mentioned, and the difficulty of getting to the burs for cleaning or alignment. The first time I opened them up it took me over a half hour to figure out how to get them back in place properly. Compared to my Niche and DF64V where burr access is simple and fast, it just wasn’t something I wanted to continue using. Also, my kitchen is a bit dark and I always had trouble seeing where the grind setting was. The grind dial is on the front and the indicator line is on the side? Another bad design decision.

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому +1

      @@deathbert Thx for watching and sharing your thoughts. The access to the burrs can be an issue. So much so that I didn’t want to do it for this video in case I wouldn’t be able to put it back.
      I’m sure at some point they will improve on the rest of the issues.

    • @BensCoffeeRants
      @BensCoffeeRants Місяць тому

      I don't think you need to open up a grinder and clean it out, and hopefully the alignment doesn't need to be messed with on this one either. Niche (duo at least) and DF64's are more likely to actually need an alignment done, and not as likely to keep it anyway, so I wouldn't bother.

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому

      @@BensCoffeeRants I wouldn’t bother with alignment anyway- too much hassle

  • @7Miralas
    @7Miralas 4 дні тому

    Hello Jack! Which burr set you prefer for thick silky espresso shots but not dull and boring? In any of your grinders!

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  3 дні тому +1

      @@7Miralas Hi, tricky question. With hand grinders I would say Kinu would be great for that. Otherwise 83mm SSP LS can satisfy most.

    • @7Miralas
      @7Miralas 2 дні тому

      @mycoffeeshow111 Kafatek mc6 was more clarity focused than these? Best wishes!

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  2 дні тому +1

      @@7Miralas I had MC5 and it was on another level. It was making every coffee tasting better but it was a bit boring after a while. If we are talking about expensive stuff, Max 2 should be taken into consideration. All the best!

  • @jonas5666
    @jonas5666 Місяць тому

    If you do a follow up, try slow feeding the 078S for pour over. You're supposed to get much better results. I was surprised that it was pretty much on par with my 078 when I was able to try it that way, very limited comparison but still.

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому

      @@jonas5666 Thank you for the tip. It would be challenging with all the popcorning.

  • @CC-wolverine
    @CC-wolverine Місяць тому

    Awesome video as always, it is a nice looking grinder and I'm sure it works wonders. How do you like it compared to the df83 grinder? Such as noise level speed of grinding, and taste wise with espresso?

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому +1

      @@CC-wolverine Thx for watching! That is a big question, something I will try to answer in upcoming video. I had DF for longer so I am more used to it. It is much faster than 078s and allows for easier access to the burrs. Also the rpm dial is where it should be. Timemore is sleeker, and smaller so iit is easier to find the place for it.
      I haven’t compared the taste yet so can’t say for sure.

    • @CC-wolverine
      @CC-wolverine Місяць тому

      @mycoffeeshow111 okay man thank you for your response and your always welcome your always happy and enjoy what you are doing which always makes the reviews enjoyable. Looking at eureka grinders as well but might decide on the df83v for what I'm looking for. Espresso world definitely a deep rabbit hole that you can get as tuck in with everything out there from tools and accessories to grinders and espresso machines lol. Your advise and videos been a big help so thank you again

    • @CC-wolverine
      @CC-wolverine Місяць тому

      @mycoffeeshow111 you ever been able to get your hands Ina. Varia vs6 grinder that uses flat burrs and conical burr sets? Looks like a great grinder too

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому +1

      @@CC-wolverine thank you very much. There are soo many grinders to play with that is next to impossible to try them all. At some point I have to check some European machines but they are not eager to send me anything.
      Varia I haven’t tried yet. Maybe I should contact them as well.

    • @CC-wolverine
      @CC-wolverine Місяць тому

      @@mycoffeeshow111 lol hahahahaha very true hopefully varia and other companies will be able to send you something to try and make review with for. What's your favorite coffee and pick Oreo tools you use everyday.

  • @googlereviewer2743
    @googlereviewer2743 Місяць тому

    next up, Varia VS6 or Acaia orbit maybe?! 😉

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому

      @@googlereviewer2743 If only they would like to send me their grinders. I might be getting new one from Outin at some point.

  • @Sleexb
    @Sleexb Місяць тому +1

    Brother how would you rate this against df64v

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому +1

      @@Sleexb I don’t have 64v , only 64 gen 2 but in theory, bigger burrs should open up flavour notes more. What would happen if I put SSP MP in DF64 and compare with this one, that is something I will have to check in the future.

    • @jonas5666
      @jonas5666 Місяць тому

      With current burrsets I think the DF64V wins for light roast espresso as long as you put SSP burrs in it. Smaller, cheaper with a more pleasant sound. I'd recommend SSP MPv1 as they're not prone to stalling. For filter on the other hand it's a close call (at least compared to 078). Within a few months this could all change, when Lebrew and SSP releases new 78mm burrs.

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому

      @ I contacted Lebrew so far they haven’t responded. Would be nice to test their products.

  • @alexsechin9331
    @alexsechin9331 Місяць тому +1

    I personally really didn't like its workflow when I tried it - popcorns and I'm not crazy about the snap knocker. And the variable speed switch on the back is just bad design. I really do prefer using the Gevi Grindmaster, but it's not available for sale yet.

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому +1

      @@alexsechin9331 Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I am still not famous enough to get Gevi to try for myself.

    • @BensCoffeeRants
      @BensCoffeeRants Місяць тому

      They've been working on that thing forever it seems!? The Test version you had seemed like it worked pretty well! Do you find you need to clean off the Ionizer for it to keep doing its anti-static thing properly? Apparently the DF64 Gen2, and maybe other grinders with ionizers have that issue.

    • @alexsechin9331
      @alexsechin9331 Місяць тому +1

      @@mycoffeeshow111 I'll see if I can bring it next time I come visit ;)

    • @alexsechin9331
      @alexsechin9331 Місяць тому

      @@BensCoffeeRants I've never had to clean the ionizer on neither the test, nor production version I've been using for a while now.

    • @BensCoffeeRants
      @BensCoffeeRants Місяць тому

      @@alexsechin9331 Oh nice, sounds like they placed the ionizer in a good spot then! Seems like on a lot of grinders it gets obstructed and then fails to work.

  • @ahmed.dhaheri
    @ahmed.dhaheri Місяць тому +2

    this is channeling king of all grinders. the burrs are very bad and very disappointing.

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому +1

      @@ahmed.dhaheri I wouldn’t say disappointing but it is more challenging to get good looking shots. They taste great though and that is what I care about. With more seasoning it gets better.

    • @DJProPlusMax
      @DJProPlusMax Місяць тому +2

      Season!!!

    • @ahmed.dhaheri
      @ahmed.dhaheri Місяць тому

      @@DJProPlusMax 10kg+ ?? And still

    • @mycoffeeshow111
      @mycoffeeshow111  Місяць тому +1

      @@ahmed.dhaheri really? And how do you like the coffee? Personally I am not obsessed with how the extraction looks like, unless I record for Instagram

    • @ahmed.dhaheri
      @ahmed.dhaheri Місяць тому

      @mycoffeeshow111 the coffee is drinkable, but I had better shots with other grinder