Game Theory: A Tank's Biggest Weakness...is ITSELF (War Thunder)
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- Опубліковано 14 лют 2015
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Gaijin Entertainment, makers of the game War Thunder, flew me out to Texas to try out some authentic WWII tanks. They then CHALLENGED me to compare the in-game tanks with the real things. So, how does their virtual MMO tank warfare game stack up on the battlefield of Game Theory? Time to FIND OUT!
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Matt: the sherman broke 50% of the time
Panther: u dare challenge me
Ferdinand/Elefant: Yes. Yes we do.
I mean the panther was
deadly
The Sherman was a little thin
Hey, a pakistani!! NOT IN A TASHCAN!!
@@Fighter11244 the Ferdinand was bad due to the fact that it was a Porsche design, so basically any German tank designed by Porsche, scrap it and turn it into a henshel.
Stfu
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Hi
Shadow Sage omigosh. u tube replied faster to my iMac than my phone
fan service XD
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Good one.
“Malfunctions” *laughs in tigers transmission*
Laughs harder in Panther transmission
Laughs in Tiger II Transmission
Mause transmission
Good armor *laughs in Tiger 2
*Laughts in T-34*
“The Sherman was a beast”
*[Laughs in Bob Semple]*
Ah yes, the Bob Semple
Ah of course the lord Semple
Also the Skink
Praise bob
What about the Soviet brick tank?
Matt if my tank later breaks down in combat after an update....... I'm coming for you
lol
coming Soon(tm) 1.49.
Nissan Uddin nooooooooooooo
lol
I dont think its such a bad idea. A couple of my friends were trained in the army as combat engineers meant to support tanks. They would drive around the back line of tanks in armored personnel carriers and when tanks break down, get bogged, get their engine shot. They would come in with a smoke pot to cover the area as they either fix or tow the tanks away. Think abt it if "medic" tanks were introduced as well.
"Can you imagine trying to aim a Tank without rotating the turret?" Yes and it's called Tank destroyers :D
Even then. When playing, I one shotted a tank with my M4A1 (76) W Sherman without my Turret rotating.
Tank destroyers can still move their guns around, and they're made to kinda sit back a shoot from afar.
That is why you are supposed to shoot from afar.
DarkZoneRvB Well, I like them, they are the best tanks I have
Thesukygamer stug life.
"the sherman is strong enough to take _a few_ hits"
* laughs in 150mm *
Sherman ain't got crap on tigers
@@LoafofCabbage or a sturmpanzer 2
take a few hits? Yeah, a few hits through its hull killing the crew inside
@@LoafofCabbage Jumbo Sherman : allow us to introduce ourselves
Kv 2
“Quantity over quality”
The Soviets: Hey that’s my line!
Quantity has it's own quality
Better red than dead
Hey that’s *our* line
Western spy???????
@@kayagorzan jOUR MAMA
The American: Yeah but like you said, ITS OUR LINE!!!!!!!!!!
“Imagine trying to aim a tank without being able to move the turret” if that’s hard to you then tank destroyers would be a nightmare for you
Void, I’m grinding the war thunder Russian tree in war thunder and I just got the second tank destroyer in that tree, and the rotation is non existent. And it doesn’t auto turn the tank you have to turn it. Half the time (in general) I hate the game, the other half of the time I like it
I can say the exact same things but I’m going the T-34 57 route
That is my next one, it’s probabgoing to take like 15 hours, I do not have premium
He is talking about real life i think. Irl, aiming a tank without the turret ring is fcking hard. Tank destroyers where trained to do it but for a tank crew like a chafee its almost impossible
Laughs in swedish wedge
The worst enemy of a tank is an ATGM fired from helicopter spawn.
F.Y.I. the acronym is actually AGM
@@an-1018 No its ATGM
@@an-1018 Anti Tank Guided Missile
@@error-not-found7415 Air To Ground Missile
BRUH ITS AGM NOT ATGM ITS AIR TO GROUND MISSILE
2015: War Thunder is very realistic
2019: wAr ThUnDeR iS vErY rEaLiStIc
2023: 💀💀
Russian Bias 😂😂
@@juusto7171 T-34 front hull is 45mm sloped to 70mm of effective armor...
And yet it can bounce 88mm German gun!
@@viper7502Indeed because of the glory of stalinium
@@viper7502 pfft wait until u see an IS-7 being 0.3 higher than a Maus.
@@viper7502 t-34 armor is a failure, it's thinner than any tank in it's br. Well the gun is pretty neat tho.
You talk about the Shermans breaking down a lot, I'd like to see you do a video on Porsche's Tiger 1 and the Ferdinand, otherwise known as the Elefant. The joke is, if you get past 150 km with that thing's transmission still working, you have the luck of the stars on your side.
Frostbight potential history did an entire episode on that.
They didn't really make to many but the panther also had a similar problem
1: Spelled Elefant
2: Link to the video mentioned by Chris Cohen ua-cam.com/video/Qx2-jLNHdzY/v-deo.html
3: Yes. You would have the luck of the stars.
They literally did tests in America for a couple of years to develop the Sherman to make it reliable before sending it out.
@@Fighter11244 Lol mb, I'll edit it to Elefant
Matt: does video on WarThunder UA-cam: Classifies it as World Of Tanks
Marcus Parris You probably consider it better because you don't like being ammo racked lmao, nearly all of you WoT players use the point of "oh well you can get one shotted in war thunder therefore it is too hard and a bad game smh"
Marcus Parris WoT is not more realistic, maybe in handling and physics wise [even though there's simulator and realistic modes in WT that fix the arcade feel] and along with models, but when it comes to penetration, shrapnelling etc. and just overall tank combat in general it isn't realistic at all.
@@Cozzy-Wozzy he was writing a joke
Cosmo actually that’s just untrue, people say warthunder is too easy because you can one shot other tanks xD
@@kooptt heh, in fact, this game is so hard that you can get a one shot from every body
"Tanks don't break down, so thats unrealistic."
Uhh, Russians?
Da Maan uhh GERMANS?
When did Russians break down?
Dequarius Biquiner bruh early production T-34s were so mechanically unreliable there are legit pictures of T-34s with a whole spare transmission bolted on the engine deck for when they inevitably broke down
Noah Davis Soviet and Russian are 2 different things, T34s were Soviet.
That’s why the Russians are op
Imagine aiming with out turret rotation , Germany: laughs in jagd Russia: laughs in SU and ISU Sweden: laughs in door wedge. Also why bully the shermans breakdowns, what about the transmission issue of every tiger
Oh my god door wedge I’m cracking up at 4 in the morning
XGN WINTERS Ah yes, the useless transmission on the tiger 1 and 2
that is correct the tiger 1's suspension needed constant attention as mud rock and other debris would get caught up in it and jam it
Mattpatt: the sherman's farely tall.
M3 Lee: hold my beer!
KV-2: hold my vodka blyat
Kv-2-2-2: *laughing in the background*
It might just be a bad pun, but I absolutely had a BLAST driving tanks and getting first hand experience at seeing the disconnect that we normally see from games and reality!
I feel like there's a penis joke somewhere in there
Krowski, you're really "stretching" it :DDD
I've herd way worse! That was actually good.
Oh the horror... the pun was the BLOWED my mind.
Epic Gamerz god damn error, I mean
BLOWED my mind... not "was the".
The m3 Stuart was fast *Bt5 laughing in the background*
European history Fast Tank 7?
T50 and T34 laughs even harder
*laughs in drifting tank*
Amx elc bis
Bt7: Amateurs
“I’ll take my film jokes elsewhere”
*makes Film Theory*
Lol right
"THE SHERMAN IS A BEAST!" *aghem* *aghme* *wips out The Tiger 2* Run.
Edit: "The American strategy is quantity over quality" have you ever heard about the T 34?
The American strategy was quality and quantity, I believe Losef Stalin himself said: " There is a certain quality to quantity "
The Americans made sure the M4 was perfect because they couldn’t ship it back to the factories for repair as easily as the Germans could with say a Ferdinand.
@@lynx3947 not that the ferdinand could make it back to the factory without the engine exploding, lul
@@HiGaming-wi8gn They took the Ferdinands back via train, same with the panther. did you expect a tank with a poor engine to take itself all the way through europe
Yeah lets ignore the japanese tanks over there who gets fucked everytime they encounter a sherman
Basically they got it 100% right. They just couldn't put in the fact that they break all the time cause then everyone would rage quit, and I think that's an acceptable break from reality.
+Hoshimaru57 Shermans didn't face british and russian tanks though like in a realistic battle
+Gabriel Cooper actually I'm pretty sure the M4A3E faced some T-34s in Korea
Have you seen War thunder realistic battles?
+Gabriel Cooper The Germans (and every other nation for that matter) captured a lot of enemy tanks and then put some paintings on the sides to make sure that it didn't get destroyed by allies. It was (and is to this very day) a very effective method of reimpursing your arsenal after a battle.
+Hoshimaru57 War Thunder's already broken as is child. There's plenty to say about the bugs, balancing issues and straight-up intentional exploits that are rage inducing enough as is.
"Sherman had heavy armor..."
**russian heavies laughing in the background**
For its time, yes.
Ikr sherman armour is not even a fraction to soviet armour
Muhammad syafiq t34 and m4 have the same constructional armor thickness of 45mm. Kv1 has about 100mm at the front. Unheard of at the start of the war until the tiger 1.
Shermans had around 50mm of armor in front armor, t34 had 45mm, and KV-1 has 75mm
well, yes, but German heavy armor was notoriously unreliable and very difficult to repair in the field. they had to take their tanks to a shop just to get the engine overhauled. just like the British Leyland L60 engine in the Chieftain. Russia just built a lot of tanks that were "good enough." Germany got out produced by the allies. Sure, they had some of the best tank designs of the war by about 1942, but they just didn't have the time or resources to build enough of them. they simply got overwhelmed by the amount of shermans, T-34s and KV series tanks.
The Sherman nick name is a myth. ronson didnt use that slogan till after the war.
griches100 True facts. It was just the M4 with the model ensign behind the name as a suffix
And fireflies and american 76mm shermans could deal with tigers just fine
@@MsZsc hate to tell you buddy, but the tank that fires first will often win the battle. Only problem is that the 76mm or British 17 pounder couldn’t penetrate a tiger 1 the way the tiger could at range. The sherman was an infantry support tank, simple as that, and the allies tried too hard with continuing the Sherman design
@@themanwithallthewrongopini3551 The Sherman was a general use tank. Every tank is a compromise. The US military went for the compromise that would bite them in the rear the least. Rather than focus on a glorified tank destroyer, they went with a reliable tank that could be quickly repaired by its crew and would be effective against as many realistic threats s possible.
“Imagine trying to aim a tank without being able to move the turret.”
*Sad Jagdtiger noises.*
Stug: yep and sucky armor to boot with me
Strv103 imagine moving ur barrel on any axis
@@MsZsc nice lol
how did that bullet feel?
*Attempted sad Ferdinand noises*
At 5:22, you say it requires high octane fuel which increases the chance of a fire. High octane fuel is actually harder to ignite, correct? The higher the octane rating of a fuel the higher the amount of heat needed to cause detonation.
Sora21098 i thought the same thing! what an awful mistake right there!
High Octane fuel just means that it doesn't pre detonate when the fuel flows into the combustion chamber, the hotter the motor gets the more likely a pre-detonation of gasoline is likely to occur. As you can imagine an airplane engine gets incredibly hot because it is air cooled and has to move tons and tons of tank.
***** Historically tigers were more flammable due to fuel pump issues causing leeks. Plus in the winter they used to have to use a torch to get the engine hot enough to start.
Sora21098 not true
yes true
"Chaffe got some chances to survive a hit"
KV-2: Hmm?
Panther: How dare you speak, youngster...
Kv 2 is op but the reload is garbage
@@swordsandsheilds5564 that's why very few were put on the front, thought unless a Panther happened to stalking with the German army, or you fired first, it was almost a guarantee that everybody in the tank was going to die.
@@swordsandsheilds5564 its realistic
Now that New Power is out, I'd like to see Mat review this game again.
" I will take my film jokes elsewhere"
And that's how film theory came into existence
Malfunctions in Warthunder would be like tripping in Smash Bros. Brawl xD
True
+Dr. Alan Grant can you get me a Dino bone
+Caden Huntsinger sorry, I'm not allowed. Government policies
Worst It would be like wasting 100000 silver lions, just because you couldn't get our tank to start.
h4ze
War Thunder “Expansion Pack”
BRO ITS AN UPDATE
yep
It’s like calling the Octo Expansion an “update”. (Splatoon 2 players where you at?)
When you only play war thunder for the planes
*laughs in crash landing*
7:34 Yes, it's called a tank destroyer.
Lol!
Wait what? The original Sherman wasn't designed for Tank to Tank combat. In fact the US didn't really have a tank to tank designed tank until the Pershing. I don't think.They made do on the variants of Sherman, and the Hellcats and Jackson Tank Destroyer. They believed that speed was key.
And yes the Sherman was mass produced, but the T-34 is the king of quantity over quality. Only it had both. Dat sloped armour tho. Sure the Tiger 2 also had Sloped armour, but how many of them saw combat?
The Sherman was superior to the T-34, not to say that the T-34 was a poor tank. It was probably the second best medium tank in the war, not to mention its cost effectiveness and mass production numbers. It was a close second the the M4 ShermN
You have to admit the the T-34 had crappy armor overall. The T-34 is mainly paper machet compared to the Sherman.
Their tank destroyers were in-service before the Pershing
Tag Lawalin Dat sloped armour tho.
And Epicraptor1 Are you sure? I mean the T-34/85 would wreck a sherman. At least the standard Sherman, not the Easy 8 or the Jumbo or the Firefly.
Top o the mornin to ye laddies!
So now that Angry Joe showed up for .5 seconds of one of your videos, there's gonna be 10000 fanfics of you 2 doing each other in the butt!
I'm gonna call mine "Lust for Gaming: Tank Top or Bottom".
How bout no...
*****
Just to ruin your day. :-)
You think they needed that before writing fanfics?
Anon Ymous
Nope. I'm sure, having read a good amount of fanfiction, (for da lulz) that people were already shipping them.
*****
Yes and it has irreparably broken me :-)
My soviet stalinium tank is stronker than any other capitalist stuff
Stronger then a leopard 2a5
Welp that is how the game is designed
Wait do you know Life Of Boris?
Says the man with a South Korean flag avatar XD
Soviet bias are the best bias! *FOR THE REPU-* I mean *SOVIET UNION!!!!*
*Please don't send me to gulag.*
"Heavy armour" huh? Have you ever heard of KV2?
have u heard of ze maus???
@@edwardzhao2938 P.1000?
Those 2 would’ve been obliterated by planes my dudes
KW-2 is heavy but doesn't really have (effective) armor.
@@Damian-03x3 Its armour was extremely effective for its time
Accurate u say? *Stares at russian tank line*
ironically the german is the most inaccurate line having kugelblitz,panther II and tiger 105 which are all fantasy tanks
Whale Thunder that was when WT tanks wore first introdused and thay needed some tanks to fill the tech tree so gijin had to add in some paper desins.
They did have access to short barrel 105mm howitzer but did they used them? No, they were planned.
You can't expect them to find that many tanks that were actually built. It's like WoT and their numerous tanks that were never built but are in the game as a space filler. (And you know expand the tech tree so you have to grind more, so you get more frustrations, and spend more money on the game. Can't really blame them,
Its not called being inaccurate, its called the power of Russian Bias
I'd imagine Bismarck somewhat roasting MatPat.
it was a sponsored video, he had to say those things
ricefield_man I agree I like his chanel but he kinda goes to far
Naruto logic paper bomb
Bismarck always has a plan
Lol
"Sherman outclassed almost all german tanks"
"Laughs in stuH 42G"
Laughs in 15cm :P
*Laughs in 380mm*
How about the mouse you know
@@supercusader101 *Maus :D
Hafy Day thanks for correcting me
A game dev team dedicated to making a realistic game
*laughs in russian bias*
I only use T-34s
*Cries in Tiger II facing 400mm HEAT FS*
*Side Scrapes In Tiger 2 (H)* *Sees Is-3* Me:Well Guess I’ll Die-
I might say that’s due to a bad customer service team, rather than the devs. Only the Russian “problems” get through. The devs are amazing people, and of course, so is Bruce.
Nah the Ferdinand
* Doing stuff *
I'll go check my sub box
* Sees Game theory video *
There goes my schedule
^ this
+1
+2
Never check your youtube subscription box if you ever wanna do something productive
That's pretty much me :)
I'd like to see a game where you play as one of the soldiers inside the tank, have problems with it, and have to repair it, have to fight enemies with it stoped, like in Fury, and maybe even have to abandon it.
Start like a fresh recruit and maybe end up like a captain. While being a recruit have to go find spare parts or scout shit. That would be fun...
That actually sounds fun...
ArmA
Sounds like steel battalion, too bad that kinect version killed the franchise. :(
Ben Dover Tell me more about this game, is it kinect only?
Well you could just Google it...but in short the first game was a mech sim that had a $100 controller peripheral you could play with (had a load of switches, buttons etc.), and then a sequel was released for use with the Kinect which was basically unplayable.
“Artillery battle”
heavy gun fight. artillery can stand for more then a barrage.
@@carterpiller1408 too bad tanks are still not artillery
Is a tank not artillery?
@@gwenrowley828 nah fam
"good researcher" 2:45
American tanks = named after people.
German tanks = named after cats.
Russian tanks = named after .......................
Genesis Does What Nintendoes!!! Math
Jacob Nugent
but that's no different than calling a M2A4 or a pz.ll
Genesis Does What Nintendoes!!! I guess that's true
some were also named after people:
KV: Kliment Voroshilov
IS: Josef Stalin
Henrique Zhu
but it's IS not JS.
So I got an ad for World of Tanks in this War Thunder video.
I thought there was only one game based on tank battles
world of tanks sucks
I cant choose between WoT and WT. Idk which one is better...
FireFlame172 warthunder is the better one is les ptw warunder has a module system in wich they activly nee to hit stuff like ammo fuel tanks and crew
Fernando Langalú there is no better one
one is realistic one is not
war thunder you get one shotted
ZMartian you need to git gud sidescrape and angle
“Sherman Had Heavy Armor.”
88mm guns just hang in the back, sipping their coffee.
@Mark Callueng Tiger I: *Laughs in the background*
the 88 was not a very common gun especially around the Sherman's introduction. At that point, the most common guns were the 5.0cm L/60 and the 7.5cm KwK 40
Strv is a door wedge and you can't change my mind
Sad low-profile-105mm-highly-mobile-door-wedge noises
6:33
Did MattPat just say that November, 1944 and September, 1945 are only a few months apart?
September the following year..
It's cause matpat said it came November 1944 and the war ended September 1945, only a few months apart, when he was supposed to say about a year apart
Serana so a few is 3 in my books not fucking 11
It's not "fucking 11" it's 10. Do you know how to count bitch?
Jonathon Condiff But 10 months still isn't a year, so how else are you going to word it?
Matt. How dare you. I can't believe you'd do this to me.
You ruined Saving Private Ryan.
The Slow Guy I was going to watch it😢
Seany Boi still watch it it's different in the movie
The Slow Guy xd
we need to shoot him with the tank because of spoilers
Emerald Block Boat it has been 20 years, my friend. You have no excuse
Mat pat: thE sHErmAn WAs qUAntIty OVeR QuALitY
Sherman: laughs in reliability and crew survivability
‘*Breaks down*’
Awwwwww Fuu#%+*%#*+
*laughs in KV-1*
And wet ammo storage
besides, the army opted to ship 2 reliable medium tanks that worked rather than a single 60ton experimental heavy
“Hmm yes war costs money”
look the army really didnt think the pershing was ready, they only sent a few for combat trials. They were really effective against t34-85s in the korean war alongside m46s
it took Matpat 14 minutes to say malfunctions
Well well time to dismask you mat...
(Unmasks matpat)
AH! PHLY DAILY, I KNEW IT
*unmask...But really love this comment lol
same
The stuart was less of a tank, more of an infantry slaughtering devil.
Sherman? FALSE! The sherman was barly capable even against the panzer IV, germany's contemporary vehicle, the H model outclassed it in every respect.
Comparing the small-hatch M4(75) to the Ausf.H, the PanzerKampfwagen offered no advantages in frontal combat other than the Commander's visibility closed hatch. It did not out do the M4 in mobility, it did not out do it in armor, it did not out do it in reliability, it did not out do it in serviceability, crew survival or anything else.
Early M4A1(75)s against the earlier variants of the PanzerKampfwagen IV generally slaughtered them in frontal combat. The 75mm gun M3 being the only gun to combat the German tanks at ranges in excess of 1,500m until Ausf.G and H entered service in appreciable numbers until later '43.
Nathan Peterson the early models were, to be honest, not really good at AT in general, but they had good HE shells. The long barreled models were much better, they couldn't take a hit from a sherman sure, but the sherman couldnt take a hit from them either.
Truestm In what regards? They could sufficiently deal with any British cruiser or captured Italian tank of the era.
The M4 was quoted as being capable of dealing with the 5,0cm PaK 38 frontally at about 200m based on memoirs of D.A.K. gun crews. The M4 could knock the then current variants of the III and IV at ranges in excess of 1,500m, that's a huge gap. The KwK 40 L/43 and L/48 though superior in armor penetration to either the 75mm M2 or M3, offered no advantage in frontal engagement.
Nathan Peterson ok fine, you win. I still say the sherman is a piece of shmit
I do love how 10 months is considered a few.
Film Theory was launched in June of 2015.. Was his "I'll take my film jokes elsewhere" (9:21) throwaway perhaps foreshadowing?
Now you need to do the planes.
Come on, Matthew, you old history buff. I know you're curious.
Ths was an ad video. The plane physics probably suck and are unrealistic. That's why he isn't talking about it.
I'm glad you're talking about a game you have obviously not played, or at least a section of a game you haven't played.
I SAID unrealistic. unless you have flown an actual plane you will not fully understand it completely.
Cameron Li You also said "Probably", meaning you have no experience with the aircraft aspect of the game and have no idea just how realistically or unrealistically the planes handle compared to their real-life counterparts.
Jane Doe it is quite realistic they dident add full gauges or plasis to quink fix planes but i still finch its still very realistic and don't blame me if dey added tho's i dednt play that game for a will
Yes take your film jokes to film theory mattpat
lol xD
I was gonna comment that!
yep so true lol
Film theory was after this video
The Sherman was made for fighting infantry. Later versions with a 76mm gun where made for tank combat.
Ummm also you can go, third person, you can also control a tank all by yourself without crew members.
Panzer doesnt mean panther in german
+Meerkat More no its means car with gun
nothing like panther
yea
+Meerkat More It means armor
i thought so, considering the panzerschreck rpg
"Sherman was a beast"
Except that the tiger can one shot it every time
No, not the case at all.
Er, yes, the Tiger could and would nearly always kill Shermans in one shot. Shermans just didn't have the armor to block it's mighty 88mm gun
Firebolt1089 *could* is true, but *would* is never in any variation of combat conditions assured.
According to a study done by the German Armor/Armament Proving and acquisition facilities *Waffenamt-Prufwesen I* in 1943, from what is presumed to be a small hatch M4 or M4A1, if angled at or beyond 30 degrees sideways, was practically immune to all German tank and anti-tank guns up to and including 1943. With the exception of the 7,5cm KwK 42 l/70's Panzergranate 40/42, below 50m. This included the Tiger's 8,8cm KwK 36 l/56.
Do you have a link to some site with the study? Although it is true that if angled enough (Maybe 45* or so), a Sherman could *theoretically* bounce a Tiger shell, not a lot of records exist of Shermans bouncing Tiger shells. The only instance I know of a Sherman bouncing a Tiger shell was during the battle of the Bulge, when a shell from a Jagdtiger (128mm, not 88mm here though) came at an extremely steep angle at a Sherman and bounced. The shells trajectory was nearly parallel to the Shermans armour, and it bounced off it's rear. In all, you'd have to have a Jumbo variant Sherman to have a hope of bouncing a Tiger shell mostly.
Firebolt1089 The combined mass and kinetic energy of the two piece ammunition, 62lb (28kg) from the 12,8cm PaK 80 l/55 is not the same as the 24lb (10.9kg) round from the 8,8cm KwK 36 l/56.
The figures concern the UFP only of the M4 in question. Other figures show aiming at the side of the turret it would penetrate out to 1,800m, and 2,300m for the side portion of the nose casting.
The figures come from this book:
*_Michael Wittmann and the Waffen SS Tiger Commanders of the Leibstandarte in WWII, Vol. 1._*
ww will miss you mat pat
*tiger hits Shermans armour*
*bounces*
Matpat:this game is very realistic
@Zenus Pridgen you know how many times I shot the side of a Sherman and it bounced? Wasnt angel at all
Angle
I just realised how much a tank looks like a dalek...
You mean how much a dalek looks like a tank
Or how a dalek looks like a tank cause tanks came first
Well, their shell is basically a personal tank, so seems legit.
EXTERMINATE
well the dalek is actually the octopus like,the shell that you look is like their versions of tanks
Do a theory comparing Ace Attorney court rulings to the actual Japanese Criminal Justice system it's based on! Or, at least let Gaijin do a CS on it.
Oh yes something I'd love to see..
Wish we get something minecraft related too
The dude We got SEVERAL Minecraft videos. Now get the hell out you mindless 12-year old.
The 64th Shadow *Salt intensifies*
RumblePak too...
Much...
SODIUM CHLORIDE!!
The 64th Shadow Sure. I must be 12 because i like playing minecraft. Yup.. You're making a lot of sense.
I was testing my panzer in war thunder and it took me THREE SHOTS to take a lee
There's 6 crews inside after all
They dont model riveted or poor quality armour buckling or spalling
Well it depends where you hit it, if your hitting it in the same spot like it has a health bar, it won’t die. You could be hitting it again and again, but just because you hit it doesn’t mean you hit any vital part of the tank. Also you just said panzer so there’s no real comparison I can make because I don’t know which panzer
Which panzer, panzer ii? Obviously it would, panzer iii? Obviously it would, early panzer iv? Obviously it would it has a howitzer, panzer 35/8t? Obviously it would I've covered all bases
@@captainchungus2140 oh yeah guess that is important to note it was a panzer IV :b
Some SPG Aim without moving their turret. (They don't have, The Turret is actually an extended hull)
*T-34/85 IS STILL THE DEADLIEST TANK EVER.*
WHY DID YOU SPOIL SAVING PRIVATE RYAN FOR ME
Not that I was going to watch it.
02:40 hey that's angryjoe in the front!
+Jack Cross Ya!
+Jack Cross and gaijin goomba is to the right
+Jack Cross Along with Baron and Phly
arlngry Joe!!
And Other Joe leading the rear
“The Sherman was a beast”
Bruh it’s literally classified as a medium tank
Sad Incredibly average noises
“The Sherman is a beast”
Every historian: I don’t think that’s right chief
BRUH IN TODAY THE MOST POWERFUL TANK IS THE ABRAMS
@@paulninoarcena6920 Actually i am pretty sure its the Leopard 2A7+
BRUH HISTORY IS HISTORY
The sherman was atcualy great against japanese tanks since most of the are just light tanks, the sherman IS NOT a light tank , even small AT rifles would prob take out a japanese tank from the back
IN WWII I THINK THE MOST POWERFUL TANK WAS THE TIGER II
12:57 Attention to detail
Realism 10/10 right there
+Hansel Lau I didn't even notice that tank doing a wheelie in the background. Incredible.
the physics engine in this game is really good so I'm willing to bet that that would be realistic
+ThaGr1m until you see a fence; a wooden fence, mind you, flipping over a 35 ton tank. just like... that. then you're on your back, praying someone would help you...
Andrew Lam okay it might be a bit flawed ;)
+ThaGr1m wait, then there's more! same wooden fence killing your crew from the slightest touch, stone wall you just knocked down reappearing under your tank, getting stuck on apparently perfectly flat ground, hits not registering... you name it. well, I'm not dissing Gaijin, but I feel they should put in more effort on the physics models and programming...
Why does it always say gullible in the description?
Goddammit.
Ya got me.
I'll admit I started scrolling towards the description.
I almost scrolled up, then realized what i read. Ya almost got me.
haha. i almost scrolled up too. brilliant.
"30 to 50% breaking down"
Ferdinand "Are you challenging me?"
Although I can’t directly blame MattPat for this as it *was* and is a huge myth, what he said about Shermans in this video is wrong. The myth that the Shermans were unreliable and bad tanks really only can be said accurately about earlier models. Most later models didn’t use the radial engine, and most of the fire problems actually came from improper ammunition storage (a problem that received a temporary fix in the form of additional armor near the ammo racks, and a long term fix in the form of wet ammunition storage). For the most part they were fairly reliable, easy to fix, and effective.
P.S. “Ronson” was not a wartime nick name, as the slogan “Lights first every time.” wasn’t used until the 50s.
@The PNolandS Glad to see a history buff here buddy
Angry Chieftan noises
@@MsZsc If only they could have gotten him to work on this...
sherman's also the most survivable tank in the war
Accurate? He obviously didn't fight Russians XD
The Tanks. Bias much?
+Dmitri Patronov hey dude, wtf!!!! Nice to see you
+Dmitri Patronov pretty good, as you can see I've been out and about :D
+Dmitri Patronov lol :D
Why no German tanks or hellcats
the moment when you look in the description and see GAME: World Of Tanks
WTF youtube xD
UA-cam: oh a video about tanks! -slaps world of tanks or war thunder game on video description-
yea xD
The moment where you check the description so you can relate
Yep
But i still world of tanks more so 😂
“It would be hard to aim a turret without turning it”
*Laughs in Strv 103*
"imagine trying to aim a tank without a turret!" oh no what am i ever going to do. Its not like it have tracks that let me turn on a dime. Oh nooooooo
@Dark 074 I can feel the sarcastic with this one
The Sherman's biggest weakness is the T-34-85
actually it's biggest weakness was a narrow track width. also any mud
Play War Thunder, you'll be singing a different tune then
Ahem... Korean War?
sherms biggest weakness is tanks
Sherman's biggest weakness is existing.
"Super committed to realism" Puts a me-262 against an F86F-2
Working as intented
+SP33DYJ3W Sekrit documints comrade, sekrit documints...
*swiftly takes out gun to silence you*
:'D
+SP33DYJ3W XDDDD hahahahahah ikr
+SP33DYJ3W
how about a king tiger with the 105mm against a T10 in stalingrad?
lol, trick question, is correct by sekrit dokumentz
2:56 Shows the War Thunder M3 Stuart next to the real life M5 Stuart
“Bigger guns” laughs in kv-2
*Grille*
Ahem fv4002 with the 168
hmmm...
yknow, with the whole breaking down thing, i have played this game, and sometimes if they shoot at your gun, they damage the gun breach (basically, the thing that loads shells into the side of the barrel) and then when you fire the shell has a chance to go off INSIDE the tank. which, as you might imagine, is *very* bad.
That's with battle damage, like your breech getting hit. The malfunctions are random chance
+David Dang there are no malfunctions if your tnka is not damaged
+CptHrki Basic malfunction in many tanks is their track is easily broken (out of their track). Especially when in the bad ground area.
If the game implementing that weakness, most of player will stuck in position. Like a standing turret, not a tank... Hahaha... >.
Aeris Reyha Actually, tank threads are specifically made for rough terrain.
+CptHrki actually actually
this was not a theory...
im scared now
Don't worry, I bet the actual theory will be here later this week.
This sounded like an extra episode. I wouldn't worry, plus Deadlock is awesome. They still know what they are doing.
Um, it is.
Well, actually it's not but it's a THEORY about if their tanks from the game are 100% accurate however mat might have put up this vid because of a different reason.
crystal blaze in comparison to his other seemingly absolute random titles that arouse the initial interest and hook you into a theory; a conspiracy, with strong supporting evidence eventually making you beyond persuaded, a believer- this video was the FIRST "theory" that i wasn't blown away by. the kind of apathy an audience has with a narrator stating the obvious.
This is a game theory idiotic Tank user...This helps both Tank users to be aware and developers to know no realistic their games can get
just seeing this video for the first time for "reasons"
i completely approve of you using music from C&C Red Alert while talking about tanks, brings back the memories.
My first and main thought watching this 9 years later?
"God did the game look awful and gross back then" i actually cant believe it looked like that when looking at it now. Crazy. Also completely forgot he ever made a war thunder theory...really curious how true to realism the dev team is holding up to nowadays.
That's why for me, the least realistic a game is the better...
In my favourite games of all time I can jump 5 times my own height, run as fast as a car at an average speed and shoot fireballs underwater! (I wonder if you know what games I'm talking about)
I also like to take on entire criminal organizations with my bare fists, do lots of crazy moves in 1 on 1 fights or just go on a simpler route, take a sword and a shield and maybe a few helpful items and use them to defeat monsters and dragons and stuff and save the world from evil!
For me, the best video games are 100% fantasy 0% realism
I think you just perfectly described saints row 3 and 4. 100 % non-realism and just total fun, destruction and chaos.
Saints row 4 would be the least realistic of the two.
miniman649 Never played that... To tell the truth I was talking about Super Mario, Zelda, Final Fight, Streets of Rage, King of Fighters, Bonk's Adventure and the likes of that...
halo, sanic and skyrim/mario.
miniman649 Fucking president of USA fucking shooting aliens with fucking laser guns and fucking super powers! This game is fucking fucking cool.
AXE-ACTLY also got one of the best customization for characters I have ever seen. You can be a silver-skinned fat/skinny/muscular person (male and female), that runs around in super speed in underwear in high heels with a horse-mask
>Implying Sherman outclassed every german tank
>Tiger vs. Sherman
>Tiger continues the war
Fieters !! Actually if you re-watch the video you'll realize he said the Sherman outclassed every german tank AT THE TIME of the Sherman's inception into the war, which was before the tiger had ever even made it's debut unto the battlefield. He even went on to note that although the tigers were better, for everyone tiger they had we could make about six shermans so we just threw numbers at the problem.
ThanatosxMaelthra
Not sure what MatPat was smoking, but 3 year older PZ IV F and Stug III F could tear Sherman to shreds. That's one of things that makes this a bad GT video... WT realistic - right, because implementing same crew and module placement and similar statistics makes anything realistic...
Tygrysek This comment gives me cancer ._. Jesus why do schools exist..clearly not education.
Tygrysek PZ 4 F 1942 M4 1941Stug A Tank Destroyer obviously it will win a fight with a Sherman does not mean it's any good against anything.
Do you know what "almost" means?
"MatPat handling a machine gun is not real, he cant hurt you"
Also, at 0:41...
I looked up “cod game theories” not sure what to expect, the literal last thing I expected was a war thunder theory
"Malfunctioning tanks were a major problem."
Nice, nice
"Especially for the Sherman"
-_-
Well, it was an entertaining video, at least.
m0nkEz Sherman’s didn’t malfunction often because of how pitch perfect the Americans made it
To be fair when you mass produce something, you massively decrease in detail, and increase error rate.
Though it does increase availability for replacement parts and repairs for logistical handling.. No breakdowns is the better of such.
@@jfobel2204 True, but the Americans still tried their best to perfect the design
m0nkEz wow. Someone thinks America is the best. The Sherman has pretty bad flaws that lead to breakdowns and complete tank Knock-outs. You need to admit that it did
@@ObjectPe- He never said they were the best, he said the Shermans weren't the most likely to malfunction. And it's true, both Soviet and German tanks had more breakdowns than Shermans, although most Soviet tanks were easier to repair than a Sherman so it balanced out.
They let you use the worst tanks in game
m4 Sherman is pretty good
+888nivek *gets one shotted by tiger-1*
Paul Püttmann I've survived a couple of tiger shots in the m4
+888nivek if they suck with tigers ^^ I almost one shot every sherman i see with my beauty
Paul Püttmann i do pretty good with them (i use there mobility to my advantage and flank)
how to avoid being shot by tank:
Beg for mercy.
And make sure they pity you by crying.
Step 2: just keep the F. away from tanks
Step 3. think of actual tactics blyat!
Shouldn't this be real life theory?!?
Mattpat, try harder. The Sherman was not designed for tank to tank combat, that was for the tank destroyers and only the tank destroyers. US WWII doctrines made it very clear that tanks were for supporting infantry, helping to assault fortified positions, etc, and the tank destroyer divisions where the ones that killed tanks. Germany, on the other hand, made tanks to kill tanks and tank destroyers to also kill tanks, which is why the later Pz. IVs, all Panthers, and Tigers were made with tank combat in mind, they had a lot of armour on the front and big guns capable of doing quite a number to enemy vehicles from extreme ranges. If you want Sherman tanks that were built with more respect for tank vs tank combat, look towards the M4A3E8 "Easy 8" and the British modified M4A1 and M4A5 variants with a 17 lber gun named the "Firefly".
The Panzer IV was also originally conceived as an infantry support tank, it wasn't until the F2 variant that it received a long-barrel gun. Neither was the Tiger built for tank combat, it was a breakthrough tank, intended to destroy anything in it's path and create openings for lighter forces to exploit.
Gabe Tecot
I know about the Pz. IV being conceived as a support tank with the Pz. III as the main tank to counter tanks, but as for the Tiger...
The reason the Tiger had the 8.8cm KwK 36 was because the Flak 8.8 was found to be exceptionally effective against _tanks_, and furthermore the reason it had 100/80mm of armour front/sides is because most allied vehicles would have extreme difficulty defeating that kind of armour.
The Tiger was designed to be an absolute menace to counter the T-34s and M4 Shermans, which is why they sacraficed production speeds compared to vehicles like the Pz. IV and Panther, the latter of course having a much simpler final drive than what was originally intended for it, leading to it's reputation as a mechanical nightmare. When the Panther was designed, they wanted to have a good, fast tank that could also be produced in huge quantities, the Tiger, however, was just designed to kill.
If you want a breakthrough vehicle, it needs to be a vehicle that can survive tank combat and kill tanks, otherwise you won't be breaking through too many places. German designers understood that.
Dr.Awesome :D
No, sorry, he didn't. He said the M4 Sherman was designed with tank combat in mind. He also mentioned the gyroscope they installed in later Shermans, however it wasn't particularly amazing and couldn't hold a candle to the Panther's ability to fire on the move thanks to it's torsion bar suspention that made rolling over rough terrain feel more like floating through the air. The entire tank was quite stable while moving, especially compared to tanks like the M4 Sherman.
***** I would like to mention two things: A, Bonfire never said that you mentioned 900 million, he was doing math with his facts saying 1 billion - 90 million was 910 million. Also, the estimated amount for all War, armed conflicts and genocides averages around 347.5 million people dead, still quite substantial but nowhere near 1 billion. Please do your research before making yourself look like a fool.
The real lesson we can take away from this video is:
If you want a tank, get a German one because they gave a shit about how they ran or if they would run at all.
2:40 Angry Joe!
And other Joe!
+Tettropolis OMG I SAW HIM!
This actually helps me with World of Tanks, another game with relic stats (I think). And my using german armor over any other, I can take advantage of these weaknesses. Thanks, matpat
i love how the second most replayed part of this video is the one with the but then again its humans so