BEGINNERS GUIDE TO THE BRITISH TECH TREE
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2024
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I somehow had the mental fortitude to grind out the UK when there was only a single Chally 2, no South Africa, and no ADATS. Somehow I've managed to keep on top of having the tree completed (UGH). I'm convinced Gaijin has an unwritten rule stating that "Britain will never have its moment in the sun". Even the air tree tends to be viciously underwhelming considering the pedigree. Yet, the biggest shocker of them all is that the Royal Navy is woefully impotent (for the most part)- that's just bloody rude lol.
As a naval player sadly I agree. Their destroyers are fun but weirdly fragile. They have a lot of pretty good frigates and high level coasts which in turn sadly have zero place in the current meta
@@jacksonespeut3692 ya, I have a sneaking suspicion that by the time a Nelson, Repulse, Warspite, or Prince of Wales shows up it will be in the same patch as an Iowa or Yamato class which would effectively keep the tree out of the meta if not mark those ships as DOA.
It’s completely ridiculous that a Centurion is 7.7 now, they completely ruined that lineup I put a lot of time and effort in…
It is indeed suffering
Imagine how did it feel for old british mains who had their 6.7 (FV4204, Caernarvon, FV4005) lineup butchered with HEATFS and ATGM.
Funniest thing is British get nefted from how well we are doing because the people who consistently play British Ground RB are the only one who were willing enough to learn the mechanics and capitalise on it. the Lynx's manification is nefted because they wanted to sell Rooivalk. AH Mk. 1 and other variants are missing their IRCM and IR shields but those modifications exist in Russian KA-52 and Mi-28NM. Starstreak is supposed to reach Mach 3 and not have a cap of Mach 1 on speed. Chally 2's manlet is poorly modeled in which results in less protection.
Gaijin butchered a lot, like the fact the M26 Pershing, T26E5, and Super Pershing are all 6.7 despite each being a subsequent upgrade on the last. It makes zero sense.
@@DistinguishedCanuck The American 7.0s are a FKING joke. The Sheridan is the only vehicle worth getting. M103? garbage. Just Sheridan and all the light tanks and TD and then to the Abrams. They are not even close to their competitors in performance in a game like this.
1:22:05 I am a warrior gunner IRL and I can tell you that it could be so much worse.
If you fire all 6 rounds you have to do a complete unload and reload which takes over 30 seconds to do, you have to fire 3 rounds, insert a new clip, rinse and repeat. If you fire 4 rounds and load a new clip you have a gap in feed and the 30 second reload starts again.
The none stabilised gun irl is worthless on the move, you may as well strap the cannon to a speed boat, you’d have about the same accuracy. What’s funny is that it actually has a stabilised sight but you can only use it in “surveillance mode” it’s just a big fat tease
I’ve just completed an exercise with the Prince of wales so I’m basically the most important person on the internet also 😂
Anyway time to go leak warrior documents
I know the British wanted it to work even after a nuke went off but come on like the 2 most basic things that IFV's had at the time including Russian BMP-2 and 3 which is an automatic loading system and a stabilized gun, but they couldn't even do that pretty embarrassing imo
@@gamingwolf6735if smt is electronic then it won’t work after the nuke bc they produce a big ass emp
@@meepthunder8060 I know that why i said
"I know they wanted it to work even after a nuke went off" but even then i don't understand their logic if a nuke went off a IFV wouldn't be much good because that probably means that the world will be fucked
@@gamingwolf6735 ohh ok 👍
@@meepthunder8060 👍
99% of the time the British tanks aren't actually that bad, it's just the map design and the massive amount of "overtiering" that occurs in the tech trees that makes them look awful. I find it hilarious that guns that were designed to eat WW2 German and later Cold War Russian tanks were nerfed because they were doing exactly that. I take great satisfaction in having obtained nukes in several of the tech tree vehicles because of how rough Britain gets it, my first nuke was in the Ratel 90 on Mozdok ffs xD
Arguably the biggest problem Britain faces is a lot of its vehicles underperform while other nations overperform
especially russia@@latch9781
I love British tanks. I also think shell shatter was only supposed to be for Britain (because of Gaijin's long tradition of shafting the British tech tree) and realized it would be a little bit too obvious that something sus happened between a devastating wife and a random Brit.
TLDR: Shell shatter is a mechanic put into the game to fuck Britain running but affected some other tech trees too.
The Warrior upgrade with a stabilizer and improved gun would be very much appreciated, in addition to Scorpion light tanks
The reason behind the warrior being like it is is bc it was built to withstand the EMP made by a nuke so they didn’t want anything electronic on it
@@meepthunder8060 Yes but it would still be nice to have the Warrior CSP.
@@Th3Bishop3or the desert warrior upgrade that was made for Kuwait
Agree with the Scorpion and also Scimitar light tanks need to be added.
The British tech tree used to be the tech tree for skilled players bored doing well with Americans, Germans, and Russians counterparts. Personally, I love the British tech tree out of heritage and self-loathing. Highlights that I adore are the Daimler gun-go cart, the Crusader III, the Cromwells, the Sherman Fireflies, the Comet I, the Charioteer VII, and the Centurions (yes, even the Mark I). Basically, the cruisers with a few long-range sniping outliers here and there. Favorite support CAS includes the Swordfish (for the memes), the Mosquito FB Mk XVIIIe (speedy flying 6-pounder go brrrr), the premium Thunderbolt, the Wyvern, the Spitfires, and the Hornet Mk. III (last two for exclusively anti-CAS/Counter-air). Give it a try if you want to hone the skills picked up in other tech trees, it’ll make you a more proficient player.
I started with the British Tech tree when I started playing a year and a half ago, been enjoying it, despite the tanks that should be good being shafted by the way the game has been built. I started playing some other tech trees when my crews are locked, and bloody hell, aces every other game. I can play aggressively too, as opposed to having to react to the enemies like in the British tech tree, others get to dictate the flow of a match.
@@agiliteka I think it does make you a better player when you become proficient with British tanks then move on to other tech trees.
- High penetration but relatively low post-pen damage guns/rounds force you to become something of a sharpshooter for critical components.
- You learn to adapt better to terrain because of the common mobility limitations in the tree.
- You learn to rely on positioning rather than armor because of the lackluster protection in most British tanks.
- Nifty cruisers like Crusaders, Cromwells, and Comets accommodate the need for speed in the shoot-and-scoot lads.
- Excellent Close Air Support options (Typhoons, Wyvern, early Mossie, Spits for counter CAS, etc.) to help mitigate costs.
Main-lining the British tech tree is like training with wooden weapons that are twice the weight of their steel counterparts. Sure, it can be wonky and frustrating and may even cause unintentional injury but it betters the player. It embodies the “plucky Brit” sort of character that seems to permeate British military history. Despite its shortcomings, it’s my favorite tech tree by far.
@@dr1Voss48 You put it into words perfectly. By far the most eloquent comment I've seen on UA-cam in a while.
@@agiliteka Cheers, I appreciate it. Thank goodness that damned English degree came in handy for once.
A worthy successor to Oxy's dated Britain guide series. Thank you!
I can only dream of being as in-depth and capable an editor as Oxy;
But thank you for your comment. It means a lot! 😄
I actually enjoy the archer and gun carrier, just the best vehicle to play when listening to British Grenadiers, other than the tog 2 ofc
No better feeling in Warthunder than doing a 180 noscope with the archer at top speed
I'm convinced if we had better/bigger maps, the British would be competent. Every time I'm in a city map at tier 6, I just spawn as the warrior. Especially when everything can 1 shot you, and you often need to place 2 shots on tanks to get a kill.
Centurion mk.10 sits at 8.0 with APDshellshatterS and Olifant mk.1 sits at 8.3 with APDFSDS LRF, and better mobility on pretty much the same platform. Great BR balancing gaijin!
Well, you forgot about one problem...
The olifant can see 9.3 premium hell, at the very least uptiers in the mk10 are mildly "rare"
i wish the mk.10 had at least the AP shell as well... having just the APDS as an anti tank round is just really annoying. mk3 with it's AP is way stronger even at 8.0
same for leo one and turm 3
you get the vickers mk1 tho, one of the best 8.0 tanks imo. Got me my first nuke
The 40mm Crusader is actually quite great from my experience. Like A13 but cooler. British 2.7 and 3.7 lineups are pretty great nice imo.
The 57mm one is also great, Cromwell 57mm is amazing as well.
The moment you described the Archer as being "shite" i instantly subscribed and liked the video. Cheered me up for sure hearing that
After I recently started to grind all major tech trees, I must say that British rank 1 was overall the most enjoyable rank 1 for me. Compared to Russian and German rank 1, none of the British vehicles were frustrating to play and if I were to introduce somebody to Warthunder, I would start here to make sure they have decent first play experience.
As for 1.0 SPAA I must disagree here. It has very nice mobility, gun traverse speed and firerate with good sized magazine. Compared to other starting AAs, this was very pleasant SPAA to play with. Only downside are small caliber guns, so its unusable against most ground vehicles.
yeah, the early armored cars are pretty good actually
When I started going down the British line, the Gun Carrier was one of my fav early vehicles. The armour was great and the gun was fantastic.
As I keep watching the video, I'm really finding my opinions differ quite a bit from Sako. I love the Churchill tanks. Guns aren't great, but armour is fantastic, allowing you to bounce shots while you aim for weak spots. Same playstyle as the Jumbo for me.
When you learn how to use the Archer its actually amazing, played defensively its a neat tank destroyer that unlike any other British tank can actually escape superior enemy forces without having to turn around first since its already set to drive in the direction awa from the enemy.
And IRL it was actually quite noted for this ability by its crews, who appreciated being able to shoot and scoot away to the next defensive position rather than getting caught by the Panzers while turning around.
Also I’ll defend the 3 inch gun carrier since its got stupendous amounts of armour with angling, so it absolutely chews up many of the light tanks that get spammed about in the 1.7-3.7 range
I honestly enjoy the little history you included with tanks :D
Ratel 90 is one of my most played vehicles in the game when it was 6.0. Sure it's huge but the gun is uptier proof.
The Warrior has been the biggest surprise in the game for me. Its mobility is better than a Marder and it carries twice as many ATGMS. The fire rate is abysmal on the 30mm cannon but it hits hard enough.
ever since i started playing britain … it’s been PURE suffering. Trying to compete against APHE is by far, the most ANNOYING and ANGER inducing experiences ever. i find pretty unfair how we need two shot’s to kill a tank, while Germany, US, and USSR can just point and click, specially on console where people have INSANE reaction speed
It would be good if they were to add the Boxer in as the top tier IFV for the UK (and germany). The UK will be getting their first Boxers in 2024 but the Australians have been using them for a while already. And yeah the ajax and chally 3 would be cool to see in the future too
To be fair all the challenger 3 is,is a black night and 2e mixed together
Black nights protection 2e speed
It would definitely have a br of 12.0 or 12.3
Blood, sweat and tears is the best way to describe the British in this game
I get an aneurysm everytime I try to reverse and remember I'm in a Comet. 😩
Im sorry, i really enjoy your videos but this one just feels like a german main that doesnt know how to play talking about things. I feel it mostly in lower ranks, when you talk that nearly every vehicle is shit, while most of them are great
I have to disagree with your thoughts on the churchill 1, if you angle it and keep it moving it is impenetrable, if you take time with it, it’ll be a fun tank when you learn how to play it
He said thendaimler is bad as well seem skill issues or he just dont know how to play it
Britain is by no means a bad tree, but it's greatly held back by nerfing and overtiering from gaijin. They claim it's because if stats that we're not allowed access to, but the reason the stats are so high for British vehicles is because the only people who stick with them are the maniacs willing to fight an uphill battle. If they were properly balanced on capability it would bring more players into the tree and lower the overall skill level of British mains, same as when they release a high tier premium it bombs win rates regardless of how good it is. More players means more casuals.
King Charles! The British Empire will RISE AGAIN!!!
the conq is probably my favorite in the tree
it’s absolute heresy that you think the centurion is mediocre, but at the same time it is criminal how many br increases they’ve suffered
king charles
I'm probably just bitter; got used to clubbing dumb Tiger 2 players with my APDS, and now I have to fight actually good tanks/players☠️
I am so frustrated with this game, but ya clip makes me realise ive got a lot more suffering to come.😅😂 Great Video .
That "no, not Prince Harry's son" got me cracked up real good
The daimler mk2 is one of the best low tier tank , the crew make up for the turret turning rate and for the mobility is perfectly fine . I play it up to 5.0 and still do well
Always appreciate your sense of humour
Thank you man, as a british main still going through the ground tree tbis has helped me further understand that I should have chosen a different tech tree as the sherman firefly should not have enticed me enough to have spent 1000 hours on this snail forsaken tech tree, on the postitve note I know know of more humorous vehicles to obtain and I will certantly be spending too much time getting the TES because I think it is funny and the Olifant MK.2 because the super centurion is a rather interesting and humorous idea, thank you for the enjoyment, good humor and ability to stave off the extistental dread.
Im very glad for this guide. Im currently stuck in Rank 3 and each game feels so dreadful
I know it’s an unpopular opinion, but I love British humor. Amazing video, really interesting, I can’t wait to see the next one.
Top tier tip regarding british Ground: Just stick to the isle and never actually take them, out, best life decisions you can make
love the chieftains despite their sluggishness, cant wait to get olifant mk 2.
also king Charles.
Surprisingly, the Vickers Mk1 has a 5.0s reload when aced, meaning it will out reload most things it faces
Great work!
Wow such thorogh explanations with examples. Great fkn video
Glad you liked it!
👍. Gaijin just give the British tree a huge handy-cap, but yet give the ussr tree the advantage. Has been since day one & wont change. But it will get worse. As they have proven.
My god was this video good, you did a great job yet again man.
This review was bofe informative and entertaining.
Next do a review of the Israeli tech tree since it's not that long and probobly less sufferable than the brithis review.
Long live the British and king Charles!
I remember during the british tank CBT it would regularly be one team of the UK vs everyone else combined, and I dont think we ever lost a single game. There were multiple games we won without the enemy even scoring a single kill.
Getting into Britain's tech tree is more painful than any other....I just started and Holy hell.....
“BUTTER RATING”
i think u should do this for every nation mate very good content
I have the Challenger DS and I quite enjoy it along with the G-lynx.
Minor correction on the Tetrarch; it was designed as a successor to the Light Tank Mk VI, and was intended to solve the problem of previous light tanks only having machine guns. Unfortunately, the War Office didn't think that was actually a problem, and so trialled it for use as a "light cruiser", and it lost to the A13 Mk I - which was both already in production, and had been designed according to the light cruiser requirements (unlike the Tetrarch). Someone took pity, though, and a small number of the tanks were built as Light Tank Mk VII Tetrarch (A17), and they were actually issued to units that had lost most/all of their A13s in France at or before Dunkirk.
I’ve enjoyed playing both 5.3 and all of the centurions, the apds might shatter some times but I find with a cautious playstyle and careful aim I regularly get between 5-10 kills in matches. The main problem you find is the stabilisers incentivise rushing and with bad reverse speeds to boot that will get you killed
As soon as the british have something working for them gaijin nerfs it somehow
Damn, that was one informative package. Hope you enjoyed Lord of the Rings, even if it only had King Aragorn instead of Charles.
King Charles! Great video, would love to see one like it for Sweden ;)
France next? France never get any love, except for the new changes to the magic 2’s which has brought new life to the m2k5f.
Missed when the centution mk3 and similar were 6.7 since not only was that fun but it felt somewhat balanced
When I get the urge to play British ground I get shivers when I remember solid shot amo. This vehicles would have been much more fun if you could use APHE or if sold shot would create more spalling.
hey the Russians didn't think that solid shot create more spalling but in IRL solid shot has better pen than soviet APHE because how light the shell is and how unreliable the fuse and the highly insensitive the explosives is.
As my 4th tech tree im working through, I am definitely enjoying the action X and Strv 81. King Charles!
1:17:20 Fun fact: the Olifant Mk2 is in fact not the last centurion, as the TTD is surprisingly based on the Olifant, and therefore by extension based on the Centurion.
Very accurate representation of the British TT though: pain, with a few good bits.
Just a comment on the Vijayanta: The statcard shows stock values, so it has the same engine as the Vickers Mk.1 (538hp stock, 608hp spaded). It's just a Mk.1 with the M456 HEAT-FS tbh
And a better apds shell
Just started playing recently, put maybe 20h in, all Britain, no premiums. I wouldn't call it fun, but it can sometimes resemble fun in the right match.
That being said, I feel a great sense of tranquility when I play. Of course every US, German and Russian tank can one-shot me, and my solid shot does nothing. That's the game, apparently. No rage, no salt - I expect to get (at best) a neutral K/D. It's very zen. Can't get angry about losing if you never expected to win.
Glad to hear that it only gets worse at the higher tiers. I thought 2.7 / 3.3 was bad, but apparently that's just a warm-up.
If there are any military geeks in the comments plz let me know what depleted uranium rounds do asking for a friend
DU is a much more dense metal, compared to tungsten, so for the same shape of dart, it will weigh more. So a DU round fired at the same velocity as a Tungsten round, will penetrate more armour, due to the mass x velocity energy formula
What a chad responding to a question in the comments of an old video
I started with America and swapped to Britain once i hit the paywall and the 3-in gun carrier is good if you play it like a 105 Sherman, same angling and all.
currently on Rank 2 close to Rank 3 i genuinely dont know the strat for playing british tanks cus it feels like no matter how you play them you cant win, rush onto a site? you get one shotted, play far back? your shots dont penetrate and youre about as accurate as when trying to take a piss at 2am, wanna tank some shots with a heavy tank? good luck the armour is unreliable and your tank is basically a flat box meaning theres no chance they dont penetrate and dont think angling your tank will save you.
I always fiNd Gaijin's definition of "realism" to be entertaining.
Crusader III - perfect tank. PERFECT
Hope to see the Italian tree next
I only have played the UK line up till 5.3. Partially because I got the TOG II and have a couple of premiums that are close to its BR. But even before I got that Tank, I really enjoyed the going through the British tech tree from rank 1 to rank 3. This might be the best of tanks, but they have character, and are super fun to play. Only early Tech tree that has better rounds is the Swedish tech tree. The APCR rounds in rank 1 to 3 are amazing.
This is just a vid off all my pain i had during my grind but now im reserching the challi mk1 soon will be rank 7 😁
I have started most tech trees on low tiers and played for a while. Even tough i do have nearly all toptier premiums. GBR line i played to around rank 2-3 and bought Challenger DS right away when it came out.
British my personal favourite tanks in war thunder also nice vid 👍
3:48; Stuart tanks in a nutshell (they mysteriously disintegrate when they stop moving for any reason.)
I just got 6.3 Britain and even use the Cent Mk1 with the lineup, I think it is great fun
The shattering shell experience
You’re wrong about the Churchill mk1 imo. It was the first tank I had fun with and the 2lbr +howitzer combo lets you track and barrel torture at close range. It is also the best tutorial for the British tech tree of “aim, don’t point” cause every tank in the br bracket has a weakspot the 2lbr can pen somewhere
48:58 The Centurion Mk.I got moved back to 6.0, so ever so slightly better then the 6.3
1:00:26 And the G6 Rhino was moved from 7.0 to 6.7 in RB, but very funni to obliterate IS-3's through the side when up-tiered
Great vid, thank you. King Charles!
I think the difficulty in playing British tech tree will make some of the most hardened players in the game, deffo ones you don’t wanna underestimate. but I imagine they’ll somehow fuck this up as well with their clear bias for others
No love for top tier? Man, you've got 5! Challenger 2s lmao, now granted their armor is absolutely terrible compared to what it is in real life but still. - that's basically every Western (non-Russian or Chinese) MBT
Yeah top tier Britain is actually pretty decent, as you’ve already said there’s plenty of challengers and the cherry on top the Harrier GR7 for CAS :)
And they got stock apfsds, British bias
Top tier britain is a contender for best lineup although they do lack a good IFV
@@greystash1750 I agree
Wish you would've included the Centurion mk.2, it's pretty fun
For the sake of humanity never mention that "thing" again
@@scopehuzefa7950 What's wrong with it? Stab and 270 pen at 6.7 with a good reload and decent armor, I'd say it's probably the best 6.7 medium. Sure, you need to fire a few shots to take out tanks but that's nothing new in the British tech tree
I am pretty sure challenger 2 mantlet is armoured wrong but gaijin refuse to change it?
Did I miss it or there was no review of A.C.1 at rank 2??? 😱
Great video overall! Thank you.
0:06 Mad lad just casually in intro referenced soviets as Vatniks, you do know how to get your Eastern European subs :)
i've been waiting for this video for ages and by god it delivered good shit on managing to get this slog of a Tech Tree (mandated suffering) review done Sako
I know i wouldn't have been able to
Thanks mate!
Can you please do Italy next?
I complain about the British and Japanese tech trees, but then I realize that there are Italy players and I promptly shut my mouth
@@cabbageashthe1st594 11.3+ sucks sure (I didn't grind up to it), but the rest of the tree slaps.
@@cabbageashthe1st594 most of the italian lineups are very good and versatile compared to the british lineups.
I started with British nation because I wanted Spitfire, but I don’t know why I kept grinding for British. I’m at rank vi right now both ground and air.
Already research and bought all the spitfire. British early jet are such a pain, so slow but I do enjoy swift
"Highspeed Runner - jonhannesburg criminal" hahaha good one
I find it kinda weird that Italy gets the late-war Firefly w/ the apds ammo, and not Britbong.
Oh, the British Tutel also has a pretty weird and major weakspot on the upper-front-plate, right where that V-shaped bracket is, for whatever reason the effective-armor PLUMMETS to barely 100mm despite it being extremely angled.
the Archer was actually built after the Avenger, Serman Firefly, and Achilles
My bad dude!
Great vid sako 👍🏻
Edit: King Charlie
Awesome Video!
I appreciate the effort that went into it. It has lots of interesting historical facts and useful information.
Keep up the good work man!
I would like to bring it to your attention that you stated that the Vickers Mk. 3 were bought by Kuwait and sold and licensed to India where they are produced as the Vijayanta 1:24:11
However, these sales were for the Vickers Mk. 1. You did mention that the Vijayanta is a variant of the Vickers Mk. 1 1:34:21
The Vickers Mk. 3 were sold to Kenya, the Vickers Mk. 3N "Eagle" were sold to Nigeria, and the Vickers Mk. 3i and Vickers Mk. 3m achieved no sales.
Source:
Vickers MBT Mark 3 - Wikipedia
"Vickers Mk3 - Tank Design & Development" by Armoured Archives on UA-cam
Thank you for your tireless effort.
You murdered me with comments on t34 and crusader , i watched it like 12 times lol
Morning Sako, i love your video's because you're actually more entertaining compared to other war thunder youtubers, because you simply don't give a shit about any sorts of feelings towards any part of the community, for that i love your channel man plus you add on actually good humour towards the tanks not just generic bullshit, hahha sorry as a self-proclaimed Brit in a godforsaken country (South Africa) its definitely a breath of fresh air. so thank you and i hope you're having a wonderful day.
Thank you for the support mate!
I despise a lot of British vehicles but I actually really enjoy the 5.3/5.7 lineup. I usually have a good time but I haven’t been touched by the sub cal nerf. APDS and solid shot seem to do more damage for me now than even APHE does on a lot of American or German vehicles.
Should’ve watched this before playing Brits. Tier 2 is just pain with the 40mm 😩😩😩
I got the cent mk2 from the battle pass a while back and that kicked off me doing the British tree. I was not properly prepared for what I was going to be dealing with. I will say, I love the MK2, shell shatter and all. But BR 4.0 to 6.7 has been an existence of sorts. I think the rate of shell shatter is a bit overkill because I can shoot a Tiger2 in the same spot on the flat next to the gun and 40% of the time the shell shatters, while the rest punch through, seems to be arbitrary anymore. I do appreciate the video discussing the vehicles.
BEST freakin' Into EVER 🤣🤣🤣
The Firefly and Wyvern package was good for grinding.
5.3 Britain is my favorite lineup. The 17pdr eats tigers and panthers for breakfast. Only lineup I enjoy getting uptiers in
Worst thing when it comes to the challenger 2s is how the armour is even tho they got probably the best armour on earth yet in warthunder you can get killed a 30mm frontally
I think its criminal to not mention that the Vickers Mk.1 has a monstrous 6.5 second reload, and a 5 second reload with an ace crew.
That thing is an awesome urban brawler, with high speeds and a quick reload to compensate for low spall damage
I also think the hulldown armour on the chieftains have not been done justice. Having practically impenetrable turret armour lets you peak with perfect confidence of being able to recieve hits.
Also, Chieftain Mk.10 being at 9.0 actually gets it downtiered really often, since it can't meet 10.3 modern vehicles, while being able to bully 8.0 vehicles.
I once was killed from the front in a T72 by a falcon
Idk if anyone mentioned this, but the only reason why the americans and the germans have decent mobility compared to the cheiftains, is cos they scrapped the idea of multifuel engines after how bad the idea was in practice. Now just imagine leopard with chieftains speed but bit faster cos less weight. But yiu still get the picture.