What Happened to Command & Conquer? [OUTDATED] - A History of Failed Spin-Offs
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2018
- A look back at every spin-off and significant departure from the history of Command & Conquer, and how not one of them was successful.
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Credits for additional footage, mainly games that were never released and/or I can't play, at the end.
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Now with closed captions! - Ігри
7:36 - Visceral getting the C&C IP was nothing more than a rumour. And it was closed long after those rumours even appeared. Like, 5 years later.
8:34 - to be fair, the name Command & Conquer was to be given to the *platform*, not the game. It was to hold not just the content of what was up to then referred to as Generals 2, but also future Tiberium and Red Alert games, as Jon Van Caneghem stated at Gamescom 2013.
On C&C Battle, since it used assets from AWOL, it may have just been a quick proof-of-concept by one or two people before any serious art were to be done. Developers do that all the time, RA2 used a lot of TS assets before proper ones were made.
14:42 - the thing is, EALA was basically two studios in one. The RTS team was actually the former Westwood/EA Pacific, and the other was former DreamWorks Interactive. They didn't really mix in their projects, despite being in the same huge building. That's how it got split to two with Danger Close and Victory Games.
For Red Alert: Online, we do not actually know that EA is officially backing it, despite them spamming EA's logo on the website *after* people outside China started looking at it (and the legal disclaimers say nothing). Nobody at EA ever said a peep about this. I even tried contacting EA staff myself. And before this, there were 901257852 fake and unlicensed RA2 games for mobile in the Chinese market, because of course China doesn't give a flying shit about copyright or decency.
Greatly appreciate the corrections, thank you!
@@NoStringsPrd nowadays C&C is like Tiberium YOU NEED A VERY *HEAVILY* PROTECTED SUIT TO TOUCH IT
@@NoStringsPrd yknow you can just pirate the games through a bundle disc called "C&C: The 1st Decade"
@@NoStringsPrd Command and conquer battle....looks similar to Airmech Strike on steam.
PlokiteWolf EA did sell the CnC to TenCent, however Red alert online has always been strongly criticized by CnC fans in China, because they “only try to fish money with some iconic elements as a cheap bait, and lost the spirit of RTS” . They prefer carefully made DLCs like the famous Mental Omega, fan made with the engine of Yuri’s revenge. And about piracy, well, the fans are angry about it, but we all know that before 2008 most of CnC games are BANNED for political reasons and we wouldn’t have known anything about CnC if not piracy.
This video can be summed up with the words "Man Who Thought He'd Lost All Hope Loses Last Additional Bit Of Hope He Didn't Even Know He Still Had".
and now we have the remasters which will hopefully show ea what a good rts looks like (when the money starts rolling in ofcourse). and maybe, just maybe, the ip can get back some of the glory it once had. and on top of that, if we are super duper lucky, this will be the turning point for ea and the rts genre as a whole. because if the old come out of their graves, something is bound to happen
@@Tomahawkist_ cant wait for that, what i am most suprised about is the 20 dollar price on it, was expecting so much more, they better not fuck it up !
If you're going to quote The Onion you should give credit
I laughed so hard at the second addendum I cried, but I also felt bad for being so entertained by a person’s spirit breaking.
4:53
"Renegade was like a love letter to the first CnC.
A love letter scrawled in crayon, but the sentiment was there"
I stood up and applauded at how well said that was, my friend
Renegade wasn’t to bad acctually the campgain wasn’t the best but the online play was pretty fun depending on if you got into a match that had just started
Still love that game, especially the MP
Check out Renegade X
quite a few people still playing renegade multiplayer
I quite liked the game. It was not great. It had many flaws. Not as great as the main games. But it showed that with a bit of love even a spin-off might work. Of course that is likely also why is not remembered that much since it was just a decent game. Great games become legendary. And bad game can become even more so. But OK games tend to just be remembered by a few of us. ^_^
Westwood Studios
...I'll never forget you :'(
Strange W A V E Westwood lives in death!
Westwood will live forever in our hearths
@@kartoitska8944 Just like the Citizens of Raccoon City !
@Chuck Stegall And guess to whom EA gave Command and Conquer.
And EA,
I'll never forgive you.
EA has taken so much from me. So many of the great PC franchises are flattened under their banner.
EA must be destroyed.
It's not just PC franchises that suffer under them. A company that used to make good licensed tie ins where most failed, now just poisons everything good it touches.
after illuminati EA comes
in the name of Kane, slay EA
something both NOD and GDI would work together for
I hope he comes back.
The sickness must be cut off.
I will get my Militia ready commander
@@louissteyn6871 hell, the soulless scrin would even join in for that.
I've never heard someone so pissed yet so restrained. You are right, though. EA is the Tiberium of video game companies: smashes in like a meteor, starts infecting local wild life, and then begins proton latticing everything until nothing is left.
Can EA die like C&C 4? That would be a good ending right?
Good Ending Achieved!
Tiberium plague wiped out, and EA liquidated!
And Investors are the Scarn who benefit from them.
@@Ineedgames the investors are the scrin
But Tiberium has redeeming qualities like still being useful for making good stuff! Don't insult the beautiful crystals like that. Nod has no mercy for people who insult Tiberium.
"Where do we go from there" How about a Command and Conquer Visual Novel Dating Sim?
Who will you take to the prom; the Flak Trooper, the Tesla Trooper, or the Desolator?
@@NoStringsPrd Chrono trooper
No dice. EA cancelled it and is closing the company because it doesn’t meet their “high standards” (read: they couldn’t figure our how to make you keep re-buying the same loot boxes after you had already rolled the key that unlocked dating your “best girl”)
@@NoStringsPrd We all know the player will play as a girl who takes Kane to the prom. ;p
I'm on Team Yuri.
I still own the original CD's for the original Westwood C&C games.
I can still play them whenever I wish.
So, EA can kiss my @$$.
I still have my original Fallout 1 & 2 discs. My original Fallout is from the initial run with only 100 days to recover the water chip.
I have all my discs for all my old games. Many of them are still always installed on my HDD. When DVD and Blu ray came out I was hoping to buy games on those formats.
Yet, now all we get is a download.
This video really hit home for me. I refuse to play pay to win games, MMO's or any of that micro-transaction crap. I play the same kinds of single player RPG games in both linear story and open world formats that I always have. Except now I can't play them without connecting to the internet. This has allowed me to play with a host of fun mods. So, I am not complaining. I can still buy a copy of a game and play that game by myself, me against the machine. That's fine as long as the grid remains stable.
However, when the sh*t finally hits the fan and the power goes dead along with the internet and cell service, I'll be charging my HP laptop with a solar cell and reverting back to Fallout, Fallout 2, Diablo 2, Doom 3, Half Life, Ages of Empires and.......
Command and Conquer!
You probably won't be. HP quality is shit, your laptop will break long before shit finally hits the fan. Hell, it probably broke in the 3 months since you wrote this comment.
Just this week I received my Red Alert 1 (big box) and Tiberian Sun + Firestorm (4 CDs). The s**t is more likely to hit the fan just for the game industry - we will still have electricity, we just won’t have things like Steam and new game releases. That’s where our survival stashes come into play :D
Yep, You Actually Own Your Game's!
Kid's Now-A-Day's Just Don't Get It or Understand That Digital Game's Are Only Limited Licenses To Access The Servers & Only For A Limited Time... You Can't Re-Sell It, & You Don't Own It!
Simply Read The Terms of Service & You Will Realize This!
I still have them. In there original boxes. Nothing like having a real CD and Manuals..Hell the CD's Cover Art was well done..
i torrent downloaded red alert 2
It says a lot when a huge C&C fan wants their favourite series to stay dead. I agree with what is said in the video and that is, EA has killed an amazing game and does not care at all. Good job EA for pissing off many fans of the series.
Yeah, it's pretty messed up when every fan agrees that the franchise should die.
I don't want it to stay dead. I just don't want EA to have anything to do with it.
Guess you don't know that the new C&C & RA remakes are being done with some of the original creators of C&C?
@@TefenCa Not reamke, Remastered
I don't want it to stay dead. I just want someone else to handle the IP. Clearly EA is incapable of competently managing development of c&c (or any game for that matter nowadays)
Never forget, never forgive!
PEACE THROUGH POWER!
IN THE NAME OF KANE! *IN THE NAME OF KANE!*
IN THE NAME OF KANE!!
*YURI IS MASTER*
Ykniw i heard the 1st Red Alert and tiberium were the same universe... but Red Alert 2 and beyond became it's own universe
*Kane lives in death!*
So... anyone else has a neat little box titled "Command and Conquer: The First Decade" on his shelf?
Screw you EA, you will never take this from me!
Bought this box purely for generals, had no idea the other games also were there at the time lmao
Just few days ago installed generals from first decade just to see it doesn't work on win7 so had to buy c&c ultimate to be able to play generals ones again. Ea, you win this time.
@@ObsessionTheCat try running it in compatibly settings and admin that how I got it to work on mine
yea bought mine brand new and the disc was so scrathed it couldnt be resurfaced and eb games wouldn't replace it.
Their lawyers could be at your doorstep at this very moment to take it and give you a microtransaction coupon instead.
"Until EA realized they hadnt closed anyone that day" thanks for making me laugh, I remember the generals 2 and thinking that it had a chance, but EA have lost their spine and run at the first sign of adversity when making games these days
They run at the first sign of a game that has 3 consecutive seconds without a microtransaction popup.
@@laurenkirby97 But it still works, these days selling at a higher price is a necessary evil I suppose (without micro"trans"actions), but EA seems to be stuck in their, leeching money until customers are dry, as well as buying out companies and/ or ruining their brands and financial situation strategies
You deserve way more views.
We can only hope than EA gives up the c&c ip, its a shame theyre STILL milking it
EA is lookingto release a C&C HD Remake..probably to combat Blizzard giving the Fans WarCraft 3 Reforged...
WHY?!
EA needs to get bombed for this tbh
It is by Petroglyph at least (Petroglyph is the company that the former Westwood developers formed for anybody unfamiliar with them)
Ethan Cox finally some hope.
I just clicked to pay my respects
(Places flowers on grave)
Look how they massacred my boy
pardoned me, just here to pay respects to the game.
*pull's out a small miniature barracks of GDI and nod models and proceeds to place it next to the tomb stone*
rest in peace...
f
@@zenthedying91 *adds a blossom tree in rememberance.*
This video broke my heart to watch, C&C was my first RTS :(
Me too
I had stories, and I mean stories about playing C&C back in the 90's with my best friends over dial up 14.4 modems..... it's such a shame that this IP has fallen so insanely hard. Thank you for attempting to educate the importance that C&C had on games to come.
New life goal: Start a game making studio, get a lot of money, quality games and fans, buy the entire C&C license from EA, hire some of the original creators, THEN try to continue the franchise.
Please. I need more C&C. Especially with the original devs in the drivers seat, whooo boy.
If you ever manage to do that I would like to pitch a game idea: I know it's primarily a RTS franchise but I think a Fallout3/Stalker style RPG as a member of the Forgotten surviving in a yellow zone bordering a red one would work quite nicely (Timeframe:between Tiberian sun and Tiberium wars). Bonus: The player as a member of the Forgotten already has an inbuild healing mechanic(tiberium exposure).
this is possible, it just needs people to rally behind it. The CnC fan base as it stands is probably shrinking by the year
Well...
What if we just make a new RTS
Just make the king of austuria-hungary dont die
Let the austurian artist to to the fine arts school
And for some reason no one decides to put plutonium in a sphare of explosives and invent the nuke
Making a new C&C game is just making a new RTS from scratch at this point, ecept you have to buy its rights
Its sad how a company like EA exists even now....and people dont even care and still buy their games
IT ISN'T SAD. IT IS BUSINESS.
This is what happens when companies become too big. Too many shareholders to answer to. It compromises everything.
10 years ago EA wasn't a name to be ashamed of.
In 2019 it is.
Things change yo.
@@BoydTheMilkmanX u can thank the day 1 fiasco of battlefront EA ll back in November 2017, n if that situation didn't occur, everyone would've trust EA by now just like they were over a decade ago when a AAA quality game from EA like Battlefield, C&C or NFS people would be super excitedfir their games 10 years ago, but now due to a low trust feeling to the publisher, now it's the opposite n the only way the majority will like EA ever again is their "Wake Up Call" that'll make everyone trust them again like in the past, but for that "Wake Up Call" to occur is so far unknown atm :l
mostly whales who spend thousands of dollars on ultimate team for Fifa or madden
Yep, With New Suckers Born Every Day... They Can Survive On Tricking Naieve Youngens!
My first stategy game that I ever saw and played was Red Alert 2. AND YET EA FCKING RUINED IT. *BY MAKING IT AN ONLINE TRASH CHINISE COPY.*
"You can't kill a Messiah" EA hold my beer.
This ain't killing the messiah, this is shooting him, setting him on fire and then finishing him off with ravenous sodomy with a large chunk broken glass covered in ghost pepper juice.
@@Horus_the_Lupercal that's hot
Rogal Dorn Kane (C&C) lives on in us brother, the fight is not yet lost, yes we’ve suffered a grave defeat, but the war still rages on
You lost the faith.
Kane has returned to the faithful.
@@Horus_the_Lupercal Please calm down, my Primarch.
The Generals Zero Hour mod Rise of the Reds is the closest thing we got to Command and Conquer Generals 2. Personally, it might as well be Generals 2.
When it comes to official games, Command and Conquer Red Alert 3 is the last good Command and Conquer game.
Rise of the reds look like expansion pack LOL 😂
All of generals mods have a serious balance problem so thats why they are not playing by peoples. (Fans try mods but not enough)
@@onderalpcivcir9147 Mods like these (Rise of the Reds) try their best to rectify that.
Did anyone else love renegade? cause I did
If you don't mind a cheeky link, I have an unlisted video on Renegade you might find funny: ua-cam.com/video/M8kQ9X-xk74/v-deo.html
I play through it once a year.
Renegade is the only FPS I ever seriously played for years!
It was damn fine.
Renegade-X is a decent remake, if you take a look at it.
EA is like tiberium: it mutates and kills and eats everything around it, just without the benefit of being a powerful energy source or valuable resource.
Bring out the sonic cannons!
I love how every time I think the video is about to be over it gets EVEN worse :D
I've been a C&C (RA2, RA3, Generals and Kane's Wrath) fan for.. upwards of 17 years now. EA punched me in the gut so many times that watching this video only made me smile and shed a tear. Thank you for bringing back some nostalgia. That's all I can say.
The C&C remake released yesterday :D
and then rivals was announced. you are a prophet.
Almost as good as Kane.
And silently remaster of original C&C and Red Alert 1 (with all DLCs)
@@darykeng
I'm hopeful about these remasters.
RIval is actually Battle 2.
Great video^^ Imagine a proper C&C with 3-6 years of development from a publisher that is not entirely incompetent.
What a shame that we'll never get that :/
It is a bleak era but never say never
I would love to see CD Project Red to reclaim the franchise ... Even considering they have no engine for an rts or experience in building one. But still they pour heart blood into their games and that alone would be enough to make c&c great again.
Too True!
we can only dream
Dude, i feel your pain. The franchise i also grew up with, grinded into the trashbin. I hope still it may eventually return to its glory.
As Kane and Nod keept coming back from presumed death, maybe this franchise will manage this too
C&C was my childhood too and EA destroyed it
@@PolishHussar04 YUP
Though it seems SOMEONE at EA or petroglyph understands that CnC can only get good again without EA interference.
Also have you seen the little vid of joseph Kugan? It may just have been a teaser for the next remaster. I am hopeful!
Keep faith. Kane returns. Kane lives.
Imagine if that was their intend all along. A long line of BS to crush the hopes and dreams of the fans.... and then... KANE LIVES!!!
Westwood lives in death!
And Klepackil. :)
Watching this in the context of Battlefield V has me seriously worried.
Thanks for taking the time to put together this amazing write-up of the history of C&C. Came here through the "What is Tiberium" video, which blew my mind, being fairly young while playing the C&C games as a kid I had no idea about the intricacies and amazing story telling that was going on in those games.
You earned yourself a new subscriber and I will definitely be recommending your videos to all the people who grew up with these games. Keep up the excellent work!
It makes me somewhat sad that C&C3 was this good with this short of a development cycle. As for current day C&C, it lives through mods: Tiberian Insurrection, Mental Omega, Tiberian Essence and so forth. From EA we won't get anything good, so its up to the fans.
Tbh this video made me appreciate these games so much more. 11 months is insane for game development
And let's not forget the Open Source conversions. Like OpenRA and Red alert++
At least the Remaster is good, here's hoping C&C is climbing out of the pits
Jesus Christ man, I'm so sorry for your loss. The second addendum had me gawping at the screen in disbelief. It's like that "he's already dead!" Simpsons meme, they keep kicking c&c even though it is on the ground unconscious.
Generals was excellent.
Well apparently seeing as how even now, Zero Hour has the most players online compared to the others.
@4DDi mods make them even better
I grew up on generals. Both the base and zero hour. I put so many hours into the mode where you fought the other generals. That was so much fun. Anyone know of other rts games that do that?
@@johnathonbrackett9807 that's challenge mode, unfortunately they don't make similar rts games these days.
AL I knew it was challenge mode in the back of my head but I wasn’t sure. Yeah I know it’s a shame. I loved how antagonistic those damn generals where. It made that defeat so fucking sweet.
You deserve more views. This was easily as good or better than many videos from channels 100 times bigger than yours. Always a good sign when 29 minutes just fly by and you still dont want it to end. (Except wie might want C&C to end)
He who controls the past commands the future, He who commands the future, conquers the past...
Yeah buddy
@@barrybritcher since ts3 has expansion pack sci-fi too
With C&C remasters on the way I am at least glad that many of the original developers from Westwood Studios, and some of the most influential members of the original Command & Conquer development team are working on it
Yeah, I concluded years ago the only way I'll enjoy C&C now is through absolutely amazing mods for older games, or hell, fan remakes. Think Mental Omega, Twisted Insurrection, C&C Shockwave for Generals Zero Hour and off course Renegade X and OpenRA.
It's funny because this video practically got its wish now
@Ganjalf The Green
I'm actually hopeful about this, this is coming from a realist/slight pessimist and I have a good feeling about these remasters with almost the entire original team working on them.
watching this in 2020, knowing they are remaking dawn and red alert soon, I really -really- hope they do those right. the fans deserve as such.
Their not remaking it, just remastering it
Hi, i'm from the future, they delivered as promised
@@essexclass8168 Do not trust them. Lets proceed with caution.
@@belisarius6949 no, they really did deliver, dude. They've even further improved it since launch
@@catsosan not the ea's work certainly
This is also exactly how I felt at e3, you took the words out of my mouth.
LoL!!!
I love that I saw your Rivals live reaction soon after you uploaded it.
Tiberian Sun is still the most epic one made.
Even to this day i play generals zero hour. Honestly i haven't found anything better
Been watching a lot of C&C videos the last couple of days.
This is the most spot on of my opinion I’ve ever heard from another person.
I hate how Ea eats up studios then spits them in the bin.
I’ve not bought a EA game for over 6 years.
Watching the original part of this video feels like watching a beloved person die. Watsching the addendums feels like watching said beloved person being raised from the dead by a necromancer for the sole purpose of making money by ridiculing itself! Absolutely infuriating!
Lets give ourselves some peace by agreeing that the real C&C is indeed in the hands of the fans. Many thanks to the devs of CnConline and openRA! You're doing Kane's work!
Remember how I said I still firmly believe there’s a future for the franchise?
Yeah. I had no idea half of these monstrosities were even conceived!!! Battle?! Red Alert Online?! RIVALS?!!
As you said before. Command & Conquer belongs to the fans. I refuse to endorse the zombified carcass that EA considers to be. Command & Conquer.
I hope EA eventually falls and these IPs are liberated from EAs money grubbing hands and given to a developer who genuinely loves and respects this franchise.
Until then. We’ll continue to enjoy the series before Twilight.
Thank you for making this video. I hope we can share a game sometime :)
Thanks mate! Have you had much chance to play OpenRA? The multiplayer is pretty awesome if you want to have a match
No Strings Prd That sounds like fun :) I largely play Red Alert 3 these days but I’m definitely up for some Open RA. :)
Right, I'll have to figure out C&C-Online again in the next few days
No Strings Prd All you need to do is make an account on CNC Online. Download the CNC Online Launcher. Hook what game you want to play and then run the game. From the in game menu, login through the multiplayer tab and enter your account details :)
What time zone do you live in? I assume we're both from the UK. so mine would be BST. Just trying to figure out what time works for you dude :)
I found this by accident, very good content. I loved the C&C games as well, I always wondered what happened to this title. Thank you.
This is so good. I can feel your passion as a C&C fan. Thank you so much
I just love your ending all the fan part of the same brotherhood
It may not have been a great game but I still would have loved to play Tiberium, for the same reason I loved Renegade and looked forward to SC: Ghosts.
C&c defined RTS. You had to be there to know and feel that
@@emadpi7348 man I grew up with C&C...and EA killed it along with so many other games I cherished.
@@emadpi7348 Same as guy above; grew up with C&C, but I've always liked the idea of taking an RTS and giving you the perspective of the soldiers as they fight, even more so if you could "possess" a single unit, and lead your forces that way.
@@Ruleradminius Exactly :)
Guys The First Decade has a lot of the older games, along with Generals/Zero Hour, and then you can even mod it, because there is a dedicated site for C&C Generals that will tell you how.
At least C&C remasterd is here
As a fan of the Generals and Red Alert series I really agree and understand the utter dogshit care that EA has given to our beloved Command and Conquer franchise. Now the name is an insult if it is ever brought up again by the forever hated EA.
Keep up the great content you will surely reach for the stars if you keep this up.
Love your videos, I still play Red Alert (1) once in a while
Cas Moons, me too and it is still the best game for me
I still play PS1 Red Alert on the PS3 on a regular basis
this is why i STILL play generals to this day
Tony Lange yeah i am like rip out the code of ra3 maybe touch it up a bit make levels for it bada bing bada bom now they have ra4
An amazing video and perfectly sums up how I feel too... seriously great work
I cried at the end. Still listen to the soundtracks, Frank Klepacki is a legend
I have a bit more information on why Renegade was made so poorly. Renegade originally was going to be created as a stealth game, much in the same light as MGS(although I do not know about the multiplayer aspect.) Some proof with that you can still play in the game is the cargo ship, which was definitely designed wit stealth in mind, and I'm pretty sure you can still play it as a stealth game for that one level. Closeish to release, EA gave the word that they wanted an FPS game, much to the dismay of the team. This happened all in the last 9 months of development, which is why the game is a buggy mess that was definitely rushed. If you take a look at the game's engine, it's not the fault of the engine by most means. If you download the W3D hub and take a look at the four games available(ECW, Interim Apex, Red Alert:A Path Beyond, and Tiberian Sun:Reborn), you'll see they're all made with quite a bit of a polish(except Reborn and IA, both have major balancing issues), and aren't subject to the many issues that Renegade is susceptible to(although many of them are subject to pushing the Renegade engine far more than what it is normally capable of since a lot of this is hardcoded.) For what it is though, Renegade is very much a miracle that we may never see again. Seeing a polished Renegade while still being the same game is impossible, and I think many fans know this. The closest to a polished Renegade we could probably get is MGS if you go the commando route.
I have more information. The chateau level still retains ALL of its stealth elements, enemies ignore silenced weapons, a C4 worls as a noise distraction, in many cutscenes Havoc is uncharacteristically stealthy(leading me to believe these are cutscenes that had Logan, the original protaginist, but were then rerendered with the only change being new models), and enemies have a conical detection, rather than a traditional sphere used in most FPS games. Theres a lot more(for instance, the many conversations between Nod soilders that snuck through the cutting room floor and laid dormant in the files,) but this is the stuff you can see leaked into the actual hame.
Hehehehe. Love the ending on speaking about how the past can't be taken. Only for a little while till Remasters where announced....
Though to be fair for the remaster some bizzare choices where made, not in being weird. But that they where GOOD decisions that make me wonder who got to make that decision and why aren't they in charge of EA? Actually getting an RTS experienced external studio founded by former westwood devs that know how it's done, Getting the same graphics studio that helped Blizzard remaster Starcraft and displaying a hands-off approach vowing to leave petroglyph to handle everything and not get involved in monetization.
I am cautiously and fearfully optimistic as it is the last remaining flicker of hope C&C has. The one tiny spark to show C&C still has a place.
Though i am deadly afraid of what might come afterwards...
List of "EA Discards" that i know of (Feel free to add your own):
The Sims: 1 and 2 are ok, Sims 3 is the best although there are some useless box expansions (I have all but sweet treats and diesel), Sims 4 is where the series went incredibly money milky, with packs that should have been merged with others, and let's not get started on the Spin-Offs.
Command and Conquer: Went to hell, turned to a horrible chimera begging for death, lost all its spirit, is now actively throwing grenades at Blue Tiberium.
Simcity: Came from a Nintendo console, was pretty good for a while (Societies was actually good because it had sandbox), then along rolled Simcity 2013 and it had so much useless DLC that Paradox rolled in with their franchise that until now had terrible games, made Cities: Skylines and took its entire community, then proceeded to add true, expansion pack style DLCs that actually changed the game and made it interesting.
Spore: Existed, EA then Scar'd Maxis, Spore was then abandoned with its 3 expansions (one of which was promotional with Dr. Pepper, and only in the USA), then Darkspore was made, it sucked and died. The only thing we got out of this utter failure of a game was the Dark Injection mod. To sum it up, EA doesn't give two bothers about what happens to their games.
EA should be shut down, and all its games given to *competent* developers.
That [OUTDATED] in the title. You love to see it.
Thought it was about time to add it. A streamer showed it in their stream before playing the Remaster and I ended up seeing it again there, and upon rewatching, times really have changed since then. I'll always keep the video up unedited, but it was made with the assumption that nothing good will ever happen to the franchise again. Feels so very good to be proven wrong!
@@NoStringsPrd man, you just have some terrible luck. This video being outdated 2 times during production, and now when you said you don't want to see a new game ever again - they drop a remaster. That's impressive in it's own way.
I've played cnc since I was 5 (over 20 years) and it's such a shame that to see that back in the day cnc was battling for #1 RTS with StarCraft and now we have, well what do we have now? It's only really the fans keeping it alive with mods and keeping the servers alive with the likes of revora since GameSpy went down, it pains me to say that cnc is pretty much dead.
what about yuris revenge? i and many others are still playing this game now and have been for 17 years! lol in my opinion its the best game ever!
After watching your Dune video, your channel is fast becoming my favorite. Thanks for your contributions to the games journalism community..
Also, love your sense of humor when you called out the Harkokken saying, "At once! At once! At once! At once! At once! At once! At once! At once! Aat once!"😅😅
24:20 Rest in peace, Geoff! We deeply miss you! (Geoff „iNcontroL“ Robinson)
You cannot sell games with even the slightest hint of strategic effort to the masses because Timmy might get confused, unless you strip the game's main selling point of everything that makes it fun and make it as engaging to "play" as watching cars from a bridge. Sure, you may have fun watching, but it's more fun to have direct control of what's going on, but we can't have that because then Timmy might not grasp the concept of pressing more than 1 button every match.
"Accessibility" Then here's $10 - $100 worth of "coins" to buy to speed that shit up too.
Suits know nothing about games, it shows over and over again
It could be done but the whole game would have to be just a tutorial.
Exactly, Now-a-Day's If You Want To Pander To The Masses... You Have To Dumb Everything Down So Much, Simply Beacuse Most Casual Gamers Are Complete & Utter Morons; Who Are Used To Extremely Low Skill Gap Game's!
They Did That To Tom Clancys: The Division 2
And It Pisses Me Off So Much!
If I ever came up with an idea as good as Command & Conquer, I would license it to a major studio for development -- but only with the stipulation that I retain exclusive control over the right to actually attach the name of my idea to any products they developed, in perpetuity.
Wow! Few mobile C&C games I'd never heard of. I've spent months researching C&C cancelled games. Amazing how you found all this stuff.
I just picked up all of the classics again and the mods the community has come up with are amazing.
that tencent red alert mobile game is basically a mafia city reskin.
C & C red alert has some great music
Red Alert 4: The Pacific Theater
While the Allies deal with the Soviet threat in Europe, you are tasked with seeing operations in Asia. You're given a main base in the Philippines, which is currently facing insurgents. You defend countries like Singapore and Thailand from Vietnam, as well as assist refugees fleeing to Taiwan. Eventually, you move over to Japan to assist South Korea.
Gameplay would allow you to upgrade units, depending on the rank and achievements done, such as completing mini missions and finishing it under a certain time. Also would feature a propaganda system that gives you choices to boost funds for next mission. Lastly, there will also be an option to create mercenary units from the Middle East and Africa, at the cost of either funds or propaganda.
You just showed up in my recommended somehow and I’m glad you did. I’ve watch all your videos concerning C&C and I loved all of them! I grew up with generals and zero hour. I played the classics like red alert and just C&C, but zero hour has always had a special place in my heart. Watching this video I totally understand how fans of the original C&C (not the spin offs) can feel screwed over and I share sentiments that tiberian twilight was a dumpster fire. I’ve heard they are making a remaster for C&C, though I loathe to think what ways they might screw that up as well. I’m still hopeful that if C&C remaster goes well they may make another generals but I won’t hold my breath. It is good to see that there are still people who remember this game since my generation has no idea what it is. Please keep up the good work!
I wish I could make a third addendum to this video, the Remasters are seemingly shaping up well, to the extent that I've progressed from cautiously optimistic to regular optimistic. Time will of course tell, but we may be in for something good! I've been holding off of talking about the Remasters until we see some footage, but the fortunes of C&C may finally be changing
Thank you for watching, and for your kind comment!
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Knowing EA they will probably make unit unlocks microtransactions
@@Gothic7876 Microtransactions are confirmed not to be in the Remasters
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Yea but it’s EA. Even though they confirm it now, if they have their way they would “Surprise Mechanic” the shit out of the game
Never mind the fact ya have to unlock Nod in Rivals. Honestly amazed they didn't lock Nod behind a pay wall. Would love to see Paradox get a chance at reviving the franchise. I think they could do it justice. Also, great series ya don't see anymore that would make a good video, Destroy All Humans.
They just announced a remake/sequel for that series this E3
@@ngngye I saw! Really excited to play it.
Your voice sounds like a perfect fusion of Mark Brown and TotalBiscuit
That Blizzard comparison by Greg Black didn't age so well...
Who's here because Westwood Studios got back together with Frank Klepachi and released CnC Remastered Collection?
This legit made me tear up, not only because of such a well made documentary of a video, but because EA killed and keeps adding insult to the injury to one of my favourite franchises.
i was in tears by the end, i just hope through some miracle proving existence of god to the most atheist person who ever existed that EA collapses as quickly in our timeline's soviet union (a few days,) and cncnet, openRA and the original actors and makers of the C&C games resurrected this beloved, bastardized, and betrayed game to maybe give blizzard a run for their money, but if i had the chronosphere i would just trade places with the me that existed when westwood became a partner to blizzard under the threat of EA desecrater of souls.
now of course this is a fantasy
See if that happened, I oils hope they would declare C&C4 as non-canon make a new tiberium title (with no number so as to not to confuse people), and carry on
Wow the gameplay footage of Tiberian Sun at 4:22 running in OpenRA looks incredible! The atmosphere of the environment with the camera out so far is amazing.
Oh that's actually the original Tib Sun, using the fan patches as provided by CnCNet, not the OpenRA mod. I love OpenRA, but I try to stick to the original games for footage as best I can
@@NoStringsPrd Wow now I have to play through again! Oh darn!
If you're interested, the best way to play Tib Dawn, Red Alert and Tib Sun is with the freeware versions from CnCNet.org. Also, use the CNCNZ guide for set up; cncnz.com/features/technical-support-help-guides/
Finally, go to the game directory and run the config .exe to set your resolution. For C&C and RA1, set the game res to a factor of your screen res, and set the stretch res to your screen res, and set OpenGL filter to nearest neighbour, that gives you sharp, chunky pixels. TS doesn't have this option in the config, but I think you can do the same by editing the ddraw.ini. Alternatively, get Lossless Scaling from Steam (only works on Windows 10, not Win7) and run the game windowed to get the sharp pixels. Any issues with graphics, particulary Tib Sun, use the tsconfig.exe and choose a different renderer. I know that all sounds like a lot, but just play around with the files in the game install directory
I'm starting to think I should do a video on all this, it's simple to set up but it looks really unapproachable on the surface. Anyway, feel free to message if you need anything!
you're basically my spirit animal.
0:38 - Who's that? I've never seen her in a Command and Conquer game before.
I said what I said.
She was in a cut scene of one of the factions either when you won a match or lost I'm pretty sure. She was a spy or something I know that much.
Having played the RA mobile game, and still having it installed on my Ipod, it's... Okay. It DOES play like a classic C&C, with the same build style as Pre-Liquidation games. It has an unusual mix of RA:2 and RA:3 units. With EoRS available through an expansion, now unpurchasable. It has the same resource collection style as RA:3, but without the collector moving back and forth. The Units are few, and and the hierarchy is clear. All in all, mediocre, but it's not too bad. It still FEEL's like C&C. At least to me anyway.
You know I remember like 8 years ago thinking about becoming a game Dev and looked into buying Command and Conquer from EA which they actually had a website that you could actually request to buy Titles from them, but I realized I knew nothing about making games and probably couldn't afford to do such a thing
Keep your head up man the new c&c remastered is coming this year 2020! Now that's brought back nostalgia!!!
C&C red alert was the first ever RTS I ever came to contact with and it quickly became a favourite. C&C Tiberian sun holds a very precious space in my gaming heart, because there has never been a game where the story of it complimented the gameplay so well, the effort put into it was unbelievable at the time and to this day I will happily boot it up every now and again, just to replay it once again for which at this point must be a 100th time. RA2 I got for christmas 2001 and I've blasted through it before New Year's Eve came about that year. People say nostalgia is what makes these games good for me, to those people I say, bite down the graphics, go play the games and learn what made them so amazing.
To see the franchise bastardized, brutalized and pissed on by EA for the sake of money makes me legitimately pissed off and I promised myself should I ever through some insane event meet a person even remotely responsible for destroying this series, I will greet him, shake his hand and punch his fucking lights out.
We are going to have to act if we want to live in a different world.
As sad and as grim as to the nature of the video, I think you nailed literally what most longtime fans think at this point.
I share your pain. Here’s hoping somehow the alleged remake somehow beats the odds and they don’t c*ck it up.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I understand that the Chinese Red Alert was not authorized by EA.
At least EA finally made the right call when they decided to team up with Petroglyph (founded by former Westwood employees) to remaster Tiberian Dawn and Red Alert 1. Despite EA's previously bad handling of C&C, I'm actually looking forward to the remaster.
Let's hope that they won't mess up this time.
Get the lube, I guarantee we will take it up the ass again.
C&C and Westwood's legacy is but a drop in the bucket for EA.
Base building RTS seems like it is dead. I love the C&C story(until 4) and hope to see another someday. I wont hold my breath. However they are remastering the original Tiberium Dawn
Well, it's April 2020, C&C Remake is scheduled for June and I'm very hopeful for it. :)
This is how I see it: starting at Dune II, Westwood gradually made their RTS games better and better, culminating in their masterpiece Red Alert 2 (inc Yuri's Revenge). C&C Generals (inc Zero Hour) was arguably equally good, although a bit of a departure from Westwood's traditional RTS styling. After Zero Hour, it went downhill, fast. It even went downhill faster than it went uphill in the 1990's. EA's usurping and staff leaving to form Petroglyph was obviously the reason for this. Nevertheless, if EA/Petroglyph manage to remaster RA2 like TD and RA were remastered, we can have good reason to be optimistic for being able to play a modernised RA2 in the near future.
Red alert 2 and 3, Generals, and Tiberium 3 were my childhood.... and Battle For Middle Earth 1 and 2 really enjoyed them... didn't mind the pathfinding except the goblins... also Renegade... loved Renegade
I actually had RA3’s mobile port. It was suprisingly decent. It even had a “lite” version. Speaking of which, what happened to “lite” versions of mobile games???
RA3 Had a mobile Port???
@@jimmyschwarz9075 Yup- at least on iOS. It was removed years and years ago- theres still footage of gameplay on youtube I think.
On a positive note Forged Battalion is a great game released a while ago that captures a whole lot of that C&C spirit. If i were to witness someone playing it without prior knowledge i would have thought it was the real thing, especially as it has the original composer doing the tracks. Check it out.
At least there are projects like Renegade X and Firestorm, being developed by fans of the series, with all the heart and soul that comes with.
Check out Renegade X, it's very good!
Yep one of the best!
THIS.
this video just makes me sad, press F for our beloved c&c
I was pretty sad throughout this video but the CG Udo Kier broke me completely.
RIP C&C