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The Premier League is Stupid.
The Premier League is Stupid.
The Premier League is Stupid. - Ігри
I understand the Manchester City case is complex which is why it's taking so long but at some point we need update on the situation.
We will hear something end of 2024/25 I think
The trial haa been scheduled. People asking for an "update" before then don't understand what's going on, i.e. "Goldbridge"
@@Vizeh That's the problem the time gap is too long. At least be providing some information while we wait.
@@francisugbokoEverton's case was about 28k pages of documentation. If City have 115 charges, then that's going to take a while to assess every case pal
They will wait until they win some more leagues and then do nothing
The Premier League protects the ”Big Six” clubs
They've literally charged City.
I’m not sure if it was planned to look like this but it acts in that way right now
The premier league protects the big 3 red clubs
They wanted to avoid another Chelsea
It really doesn't look like Tottenham, Arsenal and Liverpool are protected
City never going to get punished at this rate
They will, in a year or so though
I think it's next season
The judgement @@Vizeh
It's late autumn this year
There was some football finance expert on talk sport today saying it could take as long as 3 or 4 years which is ridiculous if true
@Vizeh No they'll not now go back crying to your mum
I think that it worth noting that the difference between the Man City case and those of Everton and Nottingham Forest is not just the complexity of the case. Man City are claiming to be innocent (whatever any of us thing about that). Both Everton and Forest accepted that they were guilty in advance of their cases and only contested the severity. It's the equivalent of comparing one trial in which the defendant pleads not guilty, to two other trials in which the defendant pleads guilty and only contests the severity of sanction rather than whether or not they committed the offence.
Closer to the situation but the comparison is a little off - Forest and Everton failed compliance based on their published accounts - there's no consideration of pleading guilty or otherwise
Just to add as well that some of the charges include intentional deceit. So the PL is not just trying to prove overspending, but also trying to prove that MC was aware they were breaking rules and took intentional steps to cover it up.
Absolutely, which City refusing any wrongdoing while having that many charges is insane and will be interesting seeing how they prove that in court
Just relegate City to the seventh tier, strip their professional status and bar them from becoming professional again for the next 5-10 years. That might get Saudi to sell the club
@@xquahdokay buddy. Due process exists though.
This is the “Serie A - Premier League Paradox”: The Serie A actually PUNISHES their teams that brake the rules (Juventus, and maybe AC Milan), but because they actually air out their clubs’ wrongdoings, the rest of the football world as cheaters, meanwhile the EPL or La Liga have yet to punish all their big clubs that have breached the rules at some point or another.
💯. English and Spanish football are ALOT more corrupted than Italian football
💯. English and Spanish football are ALOT more corrupted than Italian football
💯. English and Spanish football are ALOT more corrupted than Italian football
I am honestly surprised that the automated offside system from world cup wasn't integrated into the premier league, it worked well and at least we wouldn't have to sit through 10 minutes of VAR checking offside
Also in my opinion points shouldn't be deducted during the season they should be deducted for the next season so there is time to appeal etc and the situation is resolved before the next season starts
and calling it incorrect
It’s so obvious ain’t it man, madness
But if a new manager came in the new season then that wouldn't be fair on the new manager.
@@r4h4al But they would know the club is under investigation and they are appealing or not so they could chose to not take that job, the manager would have to agree to come to the club like 6 months before or more to not know about the investigation
@@hanogover Fine.
I just can't wait to see how City's charges are dealt with because this is a shitshow.
Also, congrats on completing your challenge mate!
Thank you mate!
City in the conference or I'll send a strongly worded letter to the saudis'
They will decide on a penalty roughly two months after guardiola retires.
@@JuicedOnKidsbuddy man city has no ties with saudi
Man city owned by uae
It will be a heavy financial fine in the context of fines of football clubs so something like 20 million-40 which in the eyes of etihad/UAE is a drop in the ocean. No points deduction no relegation, they’re too big in terms of a rich oil state vs a conglomeration of English football clubs which also have violated these rules. I’d love to see City relegated and maybe I’m commenting this so I’m proven wrong but it’s not happening because that’s life
I am a firm believer that football has been corrupted by media,I remember talking about football with happiness and no bad things would come up,now media just makes everything worse with statistics,rumours,toxicity,hate.The premier league is most guilty behind this modern media football,sad to see
100%. Just look at “journalists” like Fabrizio Romano who allowed himself to get paid by clubs to increase their PR image and also allows agents to pay him to boost their client’s stock and also fueling transfer rumors for their clients. That alone is problematic for those who called themselves as journalists to throw away their credibility in search of extra piles of cash
As a Liverpool fan the biggest scandal I can remember against us was BeachBallGate, up until VAR and all this nonsense 😂
While that’s absolutely true I must ask if by any chance were you a child during this period where everything seemed rosy?
@@chilibeer3912 well i was born in 1999 so i was a teenager before this shite
Same thing has happened here in America with college football. Ruined by the media and the money.
I wonder how Man City’s charges are going to be taken with Forest’s deduction.
Issue is the charges in both cases are completely different so don’t think it can be compared too much
@@Vizeh very true. Wonder if the FA will come to a conclusion about city’s charges in the following year.
@@NotEshanwhat have the EFL got to do with it?
@@cosmicbaggy9637 my bad meant FA
@@NotEshan sorry, try again. you mean the EPL. Nothing to do with the FA or the EFL. This is the problem here, people know very little if anything about city's case.
On VAR, i definetly think there needs to be a Captain/Manager request system. Maybe like cap it at 3-5, but it would allow the teams representative to request the ref to rewatch the incident at the pitch side monitor.
I agree, but it's all still subjective when it does go to VAR. VAR is fine, the referees behind and the people behind is are the problem, they are not consistent with their choices.
Horrible idea… think about it. Do you think these horrible refs who don’t overturn each others decisions now are going to overturn each other at the request of screaming players and managers. And how would that work? What if managers challenge just to break up a possible fast break or something, I think logistically that finest would b a nightmare. That systems works best in sports like American football, cricket etc where play is not as fluid as with football.
I’d love that, issue still is with VAR itself and the subjective nature of it. I think just letting the referee be a ref and officiate the pitch again is a good start
@@broca246As other sports show, if you waste your challenges then when it comes to a decision not going your way which you want to appeal, then you’re screwed because you lost your challenge
It’s the only way to do it. At least have a system when we only have VAR at times when people actually want it, instead of using it when not a single person is asking for it
I don't think people understand the level of this case. If proven right this will not only put man city's reputation into the ground but it will also affect the reputation of some very high officials of UAE.
Another thing is that the UAE state have made a deal with england to invest nearly $10 billion dollars into the english economy, and you know who owns man city, the vice president of UAE, the son of the founder of UAE himself. So yeah, like it or not there will be a lot of politics involved in this.
To be fair the video is 90% about Forest and Everton than going into City, that bridge will be crossed another day
@@Vizeh idk, i saw the comments before the video and nearly all discussions are about the same topic.
BTW, love your content.
What reputation of UAE officials are you even talking about? They’re all corrupt kleptocratic dictators
City's reputation? Man, have you ever heard of Calciopoli? Juventus even got relegated and no one cares to these days. People don't even remember Milan were involved.
@@DanielGiuseppeDiNiroit just means that English football is ALOT more corrupt than Italian football
"The Big 6" refers to Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester United, Manchester City, and Tottenham Hotspur. However, it does not necessarily mean that these teams are currently in the top 6 positions in the league table. Rather, the term signifies the top 6 teams with the biggest TV viewership. This is a permanent definition, and it is unlikely to change in the future.
I prefer Sky Six or ESL Six to describe those teams to avoid such confusion.
The media pander to those teams but they (the media) still act neutral which makes people think their preferential treatment is neutral
Normally, a team promoted with parachute payments has a cap of £105m. However, NFFC had a lower cap of £61m as they did not receive any parachute payments.
Everton received heavier penalties for being a long-term Premier League side, while NFFC were mostly penalized for the past 2 years in the Championship. "
The Decision document" from the panel revealed several important findings.
There have been many misleading reports about the amount of money spent by NFFC. However, the truth is that NFFC did not spend anything close to the falsely reported figure of £250m-£300m.
An independent panel has concluded that the money spent by NFFC did not provide them with any sporting advantage. Interestingly, the panel also found that Fulham and Bournemouth, who were promoted earlier than NFFC, also did not gain any sporting advantage from their spending.
The FFP/PSR regulations, which have been ineffective for more than a decade, have been enforced unexpectedly just as they were about to be replaced. This sudden action could be related to the proposal of a new bill to establish an independent regulating body.
The spending limits of £105m have been in place since the regulations were introduced. If they had been adjusted in line with inflation, neither Everton nor NFFC would have breached the PSR rules.
It needs to adjusted in line of football inflation which is much much more than normal inflation.
Parachute payments is the money relegated clubs get from the prem, not promoted clubs. The clue is in the name
@@ian_r125 Teams that get promoted from the Championship are 9 out of 10 times the ones relegated with parachute payments from the Premier League within 1-2 seasons of relegation.
So it is strange that the panel claimed those teams gained no sporting advantage over teams over teams without PP
@@nichemphill8321 How it normally works, is most of the prem level players will leave the relegated side, leaving them the need to spend again when they go back up
Everyone has a go at Man City but we all know if we had the chance to turn our local teams or favourite club into treble winners, we would in a heartbeat. I don’t blame Man City, Everton, or Forest, I blame the league and UEFA. Financial fair play needs adjusting, teams have to be able to spend the money they think they need to achieve their targets. Hope a new rule is introduced and football can be more balanced. Not just in the league but European competitions too
Exactly, why punish a team/owner for trying to be ambitious. I get trying to protect clubs from going bust but we all know they can't even do that properly
well yh, if it's within the rules.
If a big bad oil daddy came along and injected 300 mil into my regulation form team legally. I'd be lining up to the local mosque that week.
@@JuicedOnKids what does the Whole religion of Islam has to do with a random Oil owner?
If you make teams able to spend whatever amount they want - as long as they don't go bankrupt - how does it not just turn into a case of whichever team has the richest owner wins?
How is that any more fair than the current system - Which at least favours clubs with big incomes?
@@JFriisN I agree with your point, but owners at Arsenal or Man Utd don’t actually spend their money, because they don’t have to. This way the owners who want to put money in can. And the ones who don’t want to, don’t have to. But at least there’s a choice and way for smaller teams to compete
Don’t see why Forrest would even want to appeal at all. Everton were given an initial 10 point deduction with a breach roughly 15 million less than Nottingham. Everton’s unique circumstance in that a war in Ukraine blocked a stadium sponsor was ignored so I don’t understand how the argument from Forrest that they brought in too many loan players can have any weight to it.
As far as I’m aware Forrest have been given a very lenient punishment compared to what Everton are currently going through. The league is an absolute joke right now.
You say £15 million less but that's only because our allowable loss over 3 years is £61 million compared with Everton who are allowed to lose £105 million so Everton has lost more money
@@simonjones7396 true but Everton were receiving premier league level revenue for the entire financial period and therefore can be allowed to lose more money than a team receiving far less income. I don’t agree with the rules or the notion that newly promoted clubs shouldn’t spend money but in the eyes of FFP Forrest were acting in a more unsustainable manner than Everton.
As a Forest fan, we have no excuses honestly. Constant gutless performances (even at home), poor set piece defense, consistent failure to see out games and panic-appointing Santo of all people. We never should have been anywhere near the relegation zone even with the points deduction. Architects of our own downfall as usual 🤷♂
The only thing i dont agree on is forest have billionaire owners but cant spend what they want. Which means top 6 are favoured as no one can commercially outcompete against them financially, and there will always be this big divide
That’s true aswell, how Chelsea can get away with ridiculous spending in comparison is just silly
They shouldn't allow people who have corruption charges against them spend what they want. Marinakis is notorious for this. The man is a crook. As are all the soulless premier league sides. Luton remain brave against the lot...the only fan owned club left.
This still doesnt change the fact that there are 48 million kangaroos in australia and 3 million people in Uruguay
So if all of the kangaroos came to Uruguay, every person would have to fight 16 kangaroos
I've fought a kangaroo at a zoo
Can the kangaroos use weapons?
How would they do that? Swim? They’d drown their Joeys.
@@animamaster backstory pls
@@SuperDuperHappyTime they...will...jump...
Very good point with the VAR. Like you said, should be used for offsides and (as I'm from Australia) like our NRL has is something called a Captains Appeal.
How it works is the captain has a certain number of appeals and can use the to the referee to have VAR look at it. If successful they don't lose their appeal point, but if not successful they lose their appeal point.
It would bring back football the way it used to be and the flow would stop being interrupted less often
I understand that “we need to overspend in order do compete” isn’t a fair argument, but tbf to Nottingham, the prem market is so massively inflated. The gap between Championship clubs and prem clubs is huge. Newley promoted clubs will in fact never be able to compete in the long run if they don’t overspend. The prem really have to fix this issue, and they need to quit or at least change this parachute payment thing. It’s ruining competition.
Watch HITC Sevens video about this topic for more info, a really interesting video.
The Parachute Payments, on paper, are a good idea - helping clubs stay afloat financially after their relegation since many players can leave - However, i feel like that's just created a massive imbalance between the clubs in the Championship and the Premier League.
Almost every year you have the same clubs fighting to get promoted and relegated. Could it be an isolated incident? Yes. But at the same time, teams like Norwich City and Watford can rack up about 95 points in the Championship, conceding the least amount of goals... And, to the surprise of no one, finish bottom in the top flight next year. And repeat the cycle for 2 more years. Sounds like these teams dispose of a budget too small to fight the Premier League's most established clubs, but that outdoes everybody else in the division below. These players are of such high quality -- that at any moment, it seems like a Championship game could be solved with a couple substitues from the bench.
In the other half of the Championship, clubs without the same cash advantage as their promoted companions, just hover through mid-table or fighting relegation without a single drop of hope for promotion. If not for Ipswich Town appearing as the season's surprise package, the top 3 of the 2nd division would look like this: Leicester City, Leeds United, Southampton. Sound familiar?
@@catmeowing4329 exactly my point!
When i was not a hardcore football fan back in the day, i always noticed that nottingham forest were always in the relegation zone but they always still managed to stay up in the premier league, haha.
Always love to see your videos. Congrats on completing the challenge!
Thank you mate!
It's £105 for 19 teams. Forest had a limit of about £65, meaning that £35 leaves it at £100, Within everyone else's limit
It’s funny how the PL let these people enter the game in the first place and now they’re destroying the league’s integrity. They walked head first into this problem.
The Premier League was always a concept founded on greed, rather than the well being of the game in general. For people who make the idiotic statement, that the Premier League is ‘the greatest league in the world because of the unique and fair way it shares TV money’, I refer you to the comments of the former Manchester United chairman, Martin Edwards. One of the key architects of the Premier League. Who said of clubs in the lower leagues, “smaller clubs are bleeding the game dry. For the sake of the game, they should be put to sleep".
So to appeal to the Premier League’s sense of ‘fairness’, is basically a non starter. Because it never existed from the get-go.
I feel small teams are given less time as it is less likely that the could overturn the deficit due to smaller income streams unlike clubs like Chelsea, City, Man United.
money 🤑
I dont blame the league tbh, City has an army of lawyers, they would rather spend 30mil on defending the case for 100 years than take any kind of punishment. Remember how cocky those terrorists are.
If you want fairness, implement 50plus1, otherwise who cares its skewed anyway
They admitted guilt...
Premier league 🤝 Serie A - Dishing out punishment randomly
At a minimum, why not wait for the end of the season to dish out the points deduction?
Beginning of next season, not end of season.
Everton and Forest’s situations were literally just adding up the losses over the last 3 years in their accounts and seeing if they are greater than what’s allowed. It’s black and white, they knew when they submitted their accounts that they were in breach and therefore admitted it.
City’s accounts do not show excessive losses. The allegation is that the accounts themselves are intentionally wrong. Allegations of fraud. Wildly different to just adding up losses on publically available accounts. City maintain that the allegations are false and so of course plead innocence, so it goes to an independent commission to hear the evidence.
Anyone who says “but what about City?” every time another club has it’s simple PSR breach case concluded is quite frankly an idiot.
Exactly this! Think people don’t quite understand the severity of the charges… they have basically cooked the books for 10 years, lied repeatedly and put obstacles in the way every time the PL have tried to get clarity on it. They’ve paid different values to contracts submitted and created company’s like x8 bet to over inflate sponsorship revenues. They are in big trouble, should get relegated to the conference and have all titles stripped. They will probably get a 10 point deduction though as the UAE are investing in our economy!
I was talking to one of my friends the other day about the Indian Premier League(it's the cricket version of the PL with ten clubs).
When we tried to predict the final points table, we realised a big difference.
It's almost impossible to predict the points table. The team that came last in the 2022 season won the title in 2023. You don't even know who might win the league(sure, out of the 16 titles so far, 10 have been won by 2 teams, but you still can't guarantee that these two teams will win).
It's different from the premier league where you KNOW that City won't get relegated and Burnley or Sheffield Utd won't come close to the title. It's got to do with all the teams being roughly even, and at that point, it mainly depends on the players' form, making it that much more exciting.
It feels like they punishing the clubs lower in the table to make it a better relagation race
Love your vids and you are spot on about how the things off-pitch are so boring. Small point: Forest's overspend limit wasn't £105m, it was somewhere around £60m. Based on numbers devised years ago when players cost less
Theres literally no world where city is guitly and chelsea arent.
I mean city are def more guilty than Chelsea, Chelsea exploited some loophole or something while city just straight broke the rules and paid PGMOL to keep quiet
But Chelsea were doing it well before the rule was introduced.
Both are completely different, I think Chelsea have problems done the road if they don’t get UCL Football very soon
@@Vizeh What kind of problems?
@Vizeh fair, as you've said everything just seems so upside down lately. As a city fan I don't really know whats gonna happen, I'm a fan of the team on the pitch. I know our board is confident we aren't guilty but I mean obviously they'd publicly be confident.
The slimly six who said "This Premiership gig is too small for us" Decided to up-sticks for the $. Remind me. What were their punishments? Oh that's right. Annual budget for morning-tea. You go over budget building your stadium by 25 million pushing you over the edge = 6 points deduction. The PL framed their slap on the wrist to the slimy six that "any points deduction would punish the fans". Then in the next breath are perfectly happy rogering Forest & Everton fans. Calling both the clubs "small" Signaling further therefore that clubs deemed in the second tare are in line different set of punishment. The PL have the power & money to deal with Man C, Chelsea etc in an expedient manner. They choose not to for commercial reasons. And because they have made a rod for their own backs. One breach = 4 to 6 points reduction. That would mean City will be playing non League. Chelsea division two. That's if things were consistent and fair. So it will never happen.
The premier league is just riding on man city’s meat at this point they are sucking it from top to bottom and trying to destroy clubs
Another ignorant person commenting on something he knows or understands nothing about
If I don't see Man City at least relegated, then this whole punishment to fit the crime thing ain't fair fr. Nottingham Forest and Everton got reduced by that many points is actually wild for 1 violation, if Man City goes with like 110+, I just...fear for them.
City wont be found guilty the decision is probably at the end of this season. The premier league was idiotic for even bringing a charge of fraud (a criminal one which will be impossible to prove) against Manchester City.
It just shows FFP needs to be scrapped bc it keeps the sky five (not including city in this) in the same position.
@@santanoschsantosch3016explain your logic? If other teams spend more on their teams than Man City how are city creating their own pieces?
Imo City should be docked 1 point for every charge they’re found guilty of. If that turns out to be 50 charges, they can said goodbye to European football for a season. If that turns out to be the full 115, they can enjoy championship football for a season. On top of that, maybe put a transfer embargo on them for a few seasons. That seems fair to me
Pretty sure 50 points would put them in the championship unless they are real dominant, the cutoff probably is around 30-35 so you'd need 80-85. Also if Everton / Forest are receiving 2-3 charges and admitting to breaking rules, while City are receiving 115 and lying to the FA, why be more lenient? Do what the other leagues do (LFP in Spain, FFF in France), give them a multiple relegation to an amateur tier, say the Conference North. For example, in 2015, Evian FC (a team who had been in Ligue 1 the previous season) were relegated from Ligue 2 directly to the CFA / National 2 (French tier 4) for financial mismanagement, then to the CFA 2 (now National 3, fifth tier) the year after. It is very common
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I feel like the PL are just praying we forget about Man City’s charges so they don’t actually have to deal with them
Yeah that won’t happen 😂
As Pep once said: “We’ll be there”
Still a lot of confusion being perpetuated here about the city case. The charges hinge on what is effectively financial fraud, there's no compliance breach without proving that (a criminal level of accusation) the bulk of the number of charges are from the multiplier of the number of years that it covers and numerous charges of non compliance with the investigation, so to say: theres so many charges, they must be guilty - is not how legal process works 😅
Personally I dont get why everyone is so keen on compliance with spending rules that didn't exist until a few years ago and that no successful club has actually, transparently complied with so far either
“What is the point of all this.”
Same point football has always had, killing time that we might otherwise have to spend with our own thoughts and questions about the universe.
If you give them bread and circuses...
I am just patiently waitng for chelsea to get charged because there is no way we are within ffp
Go look at the motherwell v Aberdeen game. Absolutely bizarre how one hand ball stops a goal counting but the exact same type of hand ball isn't a penalty
As a Chelsea fan, I'd really love to see how much money us and City can spend before we get anything remotely close to a point deduction
You will be thrown down into National League
What if on final day on premier league relegation battle is televised on a court hearing instead of a match lol 😂
I agree; as an Everton fan I am getting tired of being rolled over by the premier league week in, week out. The premier league is just a commercial scandal, I don’t enjoy it that much, and I wouldn’t mind championship football for a few years.
Don’t worry pal I have the same feeling
What the fuck, you call yourself an Everton fan? Staying in the prem means better players, global broadcasts, and a chance to get investors into the club. GTFO with this weak shit
Worth remembering that we (Forest) only had a £61million loss to play with, compared to Everton who had £105million. Hardly a level playing field for any team coming up without parachute payments
I have no problem with deducting points for breaching ffp, but deducting them during the season doesn't sit right with me, if you're gonna punish a team do so at the start of the season
It would be absolutely pointless for Forest to appeal the deduction now. The minimum amount you can get for a any breach is 3, so we'd only have 1 point to gain, but there would also be a decent chance of it going up to 6 or maybe even 8.
Its been a massive distraction and I think we should just be glad its over and done with now. If we can't beat Luton's results by 1 point or more for the rest of the season, we probably don't deserve to stay up anyway.
Also btw, as a promoted team our cap wasn't 105m, it was 61m. Which I think is why it seems unfair because we came up with a squad cost of 12m, that same season Bournemouth's cost 150m
Honestly, being a Southampton fan I have not missed the premier league one bit. Sure, I want us to succeed and get promotion but I’d happily stay in the championship for another season.
Man's venting and I'm here to listen, I feel you mate 😩
As for Cheaty
even if they were handed a drop down to the championship in the summer, they won't lose many players may be even won't lose Pep since they give them insane salaries, one season of championship football and they are back in the PL now free of guilt after ruining the PL for 15 years, just like Juventus
This bullshit of going after small clubs and allowing the bigger clubs to get away with it is the only issue I have. It genuinely feels like the premier league have a vendetta against Everton and want them out because they keep flip flopping every time Everton get out of the relegation zone. As a Liverpool fan I have friends and family who are Everton fans and between this crap and VAR they're just losing interest in the sport and I'm kinda there with them. It's unreal to me how much VAR dictates football and gets 90% of decisions wrong. It's supposed to exist to correct clear and obvious errors yet we still keep seeing goals standing from clear offsides being given whilst other goals aren't given because a player that wasn't even involved at all in the goal was offside 10 seconds prior to the goal. We still see players blatantly diving with zero contact and getting goals from the set piece, opposition booked or sent off when they didn't even touch the opponent and its absolutely fucking ridiculous. I can't even celebrate a goal anymore because my immediate thought is hang on, waiting for VAR to tell me if I can celebrate or not.
The championship has an even bigger nonsense if Leicester get a deduction and then appeal. Nobody will know who’s in the playoffs and who’s going up.
Leicester didn't break any rule though because they were in the pl last season. That's why they change the rules now to punish teams like Leicester next
As a Liverpool fan I know if they get charged, it’s not like they give us the league titles from coming second twice. So when they get a points deduction or whatever and Liverpool aren’t second, we won’t even see the trophies we deserve so it’s even more messed up
Vacated wins and trophies are so dumb when they could just as easily, and more rightfully, be transferred. Espically in football with points standings rather than in the US sports with playoffs and university sports with huge tournaments.
If you had deserved it you would have come first. The financial shenanigans have nothing to do with the points. Especially considering none of the charges are related to the Guardiola Era. They go from Mancini to the end of Pellegrini's run.
You just weren't good enough mate, cry over it more
@@MasterIceyy first of all it does cover pep’s reign as he was there for 2 years of the period the charges cover.
Secondly, you don’t think all that investment and buying players wouldn’t have benefitted pep at all? You think pep didn’t use any of the facilities or players bought when he was winning those trophies? KDB, kompany, aguero and more were there before pep and bought with tainted funds.
So yes we definitely deserve those trophies and it’s actually quite funny how close klopp came to pep during that time 😂
@@Do27gg it covers the centurion season where you finished 4th, 25 whole points behind City.
Tell me again how you magically "deserve" 3 premier league titles for what?
How can you pinpoint exactly what player is or isn't financially legit? City had a very scatter gun approach to players after the takeover, or are you saying that Elaquim Mangala and Wilfired Bony weren't the sources of financial irregularities, we brought a whole host of players but you'd rather settle on the ones that stayed at City being a problem...
Instead of the host of chaff that we brought and promptly sold.
You were 2nd best, just deal with it, like everyone else has too
@@MasterIceyy quite clear I’m talking about he seasons we marginally came second? We won the champions league that year btw.
It’s 115 charges and you only got away with it from UEFA due to a technicality. Don’t know how you’re not accepting that if you were cheating with the way you’re spending it’s going to benefit you in future years. It’s not like as soon as you stop cheating all the players you bought goes away? Also players you’ve sold would have been from breaking the rules so it’s all a complete shit show. City have really ruined the integrity of the league
I feel like the more teams that will get points deductions the more fearful the owners will be to spend more money in the transfer window and it will be very boring like the January transfer window and that's not a good look.
Go and compare the VAR and the TMO from rugby , you'll see a huge difference. It's basically night and day😅
As a city fan this situation sucks, i feel for everton n their fans, i just hope this case gets resolved or doesnt escalate to the point where we face possibly getting kicked out of the league, i have faith in the lawyers tho
Forest overspent by 34.5m, but that was still £10m less than Everton were allowed to lose before being investigated. Everton also had an additional £220m+ of Premier League money that Forest didn't.
Different clubs have to play by vastly different financial rules, and those with more money are allowed to make a bigger loss.
Sadly I think the City lawyers will delay the punishment so long that they’ll either
1. win everything and get so much money that the punishment won’t even affect them or
2. Everyone will forget and it’ll get dropped
totally agree that just because you have a lot of loan players you shouldn't get special consideration with ffp. You chose to have all those loan players, you chose to then go and buy players. You could have either not had so many loans in the championship, or got yourself loans in the premier league as well.
You can't put yourself into a situation and then expect everyone else to bend the rules to get you out.
Unfortunate thing was forest didn't have the 105 million cap... Due to being in the EFL for 2 of 3 seasons compared
one thing to say at the 6:10 moments and before. as im a referee i can clearly say that var is actually useful for us because we cant see everything it is too hard especially for the high class football that is being played. so in other words var is very very important to us and the game.
The reason as to why its taking so long is due to the serious allegation/charge of financial fraud which us a huge allegation to be made. Legal process is long and Man City have the best lawyers on retainer.
Yeah man I agree with you var should be only for offsides and give the teams the possibility to challenge a decision like 3 or 4 times a game maybe. Also I hate the fact that sometimes referees take ages to verify something that's clear and when there is an offside they let the players run their asses off maybe to chase a long ball and then they whistle after like 2 minutes . That said congrats for your challenge
As a forest fan, i was expecting points deductuon similar to Everton's and not 4 points. It's still in our hands to stay up, and if we do go down, it's not FFP's fault; it's the simple fact that we aren't good enough. We dropped 21 points from winning positions, and 11 of those points would almost guarantee our survival even with a points deduction.
The premier league has set a precedent (sort of) for point deductions when charges have been accepted. City however have denied the charges where as Forest & Everton accepted it.
Something must stick against city and I hope it’s big.
personally is covid in the champion ship and everton were in prem during covid and forest did have to spend 20 mil on manditory stadium upgardes
I think the main argument forest seem to be running with is that its stupid that the accounts deadline is June 30th. Why are the accounts deadlines not lined up with transfer deadline day? over 3 football seasons forests spending was fine, over 3 accounting years it was not. Forest had to wait to sell Jhonson until Kane had gone to Bayern. It seems madness to me that they are punished for not selling early in the transfer window as Spurs took the piss.
Points deductions should only be added at the start of the season imo
Just remember the majority of the premier league clubs asked for all of this.
Don't think the clubs believed the Premier league would actually go through with giving points deductions, which is why barely any money was spent in Jan, I reckon a lot of teams are shit scared of getting charged now.
Think it's ridiculous deducting points in the middle of a season. Start of next season makes more sense. Think Non champion league clubs/owners should be able to spend above FFP if and only If they are spending their own money and not loading the club with debt that would breach FFP
Premier League has become more and more protective of the big six since the super league debacle came about a couple of years ago. They’re trying to keep them happy so they don’t leave. The top 6 can essentially hold the PL at gunpoint knowing that if they get deductions or aren’t treated favourably they will just call up Florentino Perez and get the Super League ball rolling again.
Nottingham forest tried they bought like 15 players in a window. We have seen it time and time again that never works. And like he said luton and Brentford had plan.
Forest fan here! Appreciate you mentioning the fact we had to sign a whole new squad because most people act like that wasn’t the case. Personally think the whole FFP rules need a rework. It don’t work and favour the top 6 teams. It needs a change
I feel like the prem should stand by their values. Either give the club points deductions or not. It’s getting ridiculous at this point
Lmao what values? They've sold their souls to tyrants and mobsters
there are no values, only corrption
Football has become a trillion dollar business first, I know it may be unpopular opinion.
The football is becoming second to everything
Pretty obvious that money has destroyed football the way we knew it, yeah.
Most of us probably just continue to follow it out of old habits, and because of all the emotions we've invested in our favorite teams since the old days.
You’re not wrong about any of this, but we won’t stop watching. That’s the problem.
Maybe next time they should both overspend on players that can get them out of the lower table
Hang on a minute, 7 marathons in 7 days. That’s wild
Those points bans are ridiculously low, if you want to actually change anything in how clubs act, when it comes to their finances. Forced relegation needs to be put into play as well, when it comes to the worst offenders, but as it usually is, money talks louder than words ever could.
It's £105m loss over 3 seasons or £35m in one season. Forest lost over £35m but sold Brennan to balance that off. Their argument is that they sold him after the deadline but have been trying to drag it in line over 2 seasons. They were transparent with the PL at all times to show they had a unique case and did what they did to compete, consolidate and then adhere to the rules. Forest didn't even have a full squad quota to begin the season with, let alone anything close to competitive. We do not deserve a slap on the wrist or to be let off; but a suspended points penalty with the caveat that they must be compliant by the end of the next financial year would have been fair.
Give each team's captain 3 Challenges to Refereeing decisions (VAR) for each match and THAT'S IT... I've been saying this pretty much since VAR was introduced...
Do your legs still work after all those marathons?
I always thought VAR was supposed to be stick with the on field decision unless it's glaringly obvious error. All this pedantic stuff or mm offsides just let it go stick with the refs first decision
With regards to the V.A.R, given that we have opted to use technology in an activity engaged by humans, V.A.R might only be improved with the use of A.I.
I think the subjective nature of the decisions made by human officials is killing the technology. Either that, or just leave it to the officials to decide and just keep the goal line technology.
Are you still going to make a video on Pompey? I’m a Pompey fan and remember that you talked about a video on us. I’d love for you to cover us 😊
281 Days until I give Vizeh a retro 94/95 Blackburn Rovers shirt
Does anyone really believe that any clubs uphold spending regulations due to compliance, rather than being simple economics that they each decide internally? Even Wolves, I find it far more likely that the owners wanted to strip back spending and use compliance as the excuse
the way i think var should work is how they do challenges in basketball if a call the team believes is wrong then they should challenge it then go to var. Goal line decisions should still go to var regardless tho.
I’m not saying that staying in the championship and missing out on Premier League football is ideal but I don’t have a problem with it with the way things are going right now in the Prem
Agree about VAR mate. Gary Lineker has said the same thing. Let the referees referee again like in the good old days. Handballs and fouls are subjective anyway, so I don't see the point in it going to VAR & it just wastes time.
Like you say, use it for offsides, I think that part of it has always worked brilliantly & is quick.
Pretty much everything else, the referees need to be decisive, & if they get it wrong, at least it will be a quick decision and we have some sort of rhythm to the game.
4 points was to preempt an appeal.
The Johnson deal buried them.
Needed sell a star player cheaper to stay in ffp rules isnt fair either , when sitting tight got them more cash
It seems you got what you wished for in the stream😂
This will kill off the underdog stories in english football
The fact that oil money Fc hasn't been relegated to non league football. Shows how corrupt the premier league is.
As a Forest fan if we’ve broke the rules I’ll happily accept a points deduction, however what we are all struggling with is the blatant corruption.
Manchester United have financial losses over £250 millions which is double the allowed £105 million over the last 3 seasons. Why are they allowed to act with impunity ?
Why insisting on point deduction mid season?
if they really want to deduct give it to the football club starting next season, they start knowing they are penalized and the season goes smoothly
no asterixis (they had a whole season to do hearings and whatnot)
no uncertainty, no problems
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as for VAR
its very intrusive, keeps magnifying every move & ruins momentum, inconsistently involving itself without rules
one day magnifies to find a penalty or a red card here or there the other asleep without care
one day the same play is a foul the other day its not changing end results, some refs are friends don't want life for their on field mate made harder by calling them to the screen if they aren't unsure
its in shambles, very unregulated and its killing my enjoyment every week
Mad take but would you look at the downfall of Soccer Aid? It was ok when it started but as the grade of ex pros is going up, the grade of celebrity is going the other way. Also it becoming a yearly thing takes extra shine off it.
Profit & Sustainability rules. Made to ensure PL clubs are more sustainable. Forest delay a 30m sell of BJ to get one for 17m 8 weeks after. This 8 weeks fell into next accounting period. Forest punished for making sure the club were at least 17m more sustainable. Not sure I agree with the punishment .