If Jerry could chase off Jimmy Johnson immediately after two super bowls and the Bulls chase off Phil Jackson immediately after six championships...no coaching position is safe.
there are billions of coaches that have won a lot more than belichick with average qb Rex Ryan won 4 playoff games with mark sanxhez pederson won with foles just to name a few .
Personally, I think Robert Kraft should talk the Belichick when the season is over and tell him that he can still be the head coach but he will no longer be in charge as GM.
Treat Belichick how he treated Randy Moss, Wes Welker, he tried to trade Gronk, and he tried to trade Tom Brady to start Jimmy G, then he actually forced Tom out. Bill is the luckiest coach of all time
@@tjr2312 where’s that defense now ? They’re a below average defense I personally do think he’s the luckiest coach Of all time simply because he lucked into Brady he didn’t win before Brady as a hc and he’s not winning now he’s a great defensive mind but a terrible head coach and horrible gm
Belichick needs to thank two people for his success: Lawrence Taylor and Tom Brady. I think this should make people appreciate Shula's greatness even more. He may not have won as many Super Bowls but he adapted to the times and lasted for so long with competitive teams and so few losing seasons. This guy can't even last without Brady!
Don Shula had Johnny Unitas, Earl Morrall, Bob Griese, Dan Marino as starting quarterbacks during the majority of his tenure as coach. However, the difference back in the last century when Shula coached, is that you can have a winning team with a mediocre quarterback if you had a good defense and special teams. No way you will see that happen now. He also coached 30 of his 33yrs in a league with no free agency. Imagine how hard it would've been to keep talent with the constant roster turnover every offseason, instead of basically hoarding all the talent on your team and not letting them leave. Plus BB has always been a defensive minded coach, and the majority of those barely last these days, unless they have a good quarterback. I give credit for BB scheming games for his defenses and special teams, but he has no clue when it comes to getting a QB
@@PurpleMonkeyDishwasher88 great reply.. I said 15 because of Marino but that too was a guess.. Hifive. I enjoy replies of educated people because it sometimes educates me. :)
yeah, the '00 Ravens and the '02 Bucs were the last teams to win with a mediocre QB and great, even historic defenses. Maybe you can count the last Broncos SB win with Peyton because he had nothing left at the time and that defense was awesome. But he was still Peyton Manning. The closest Shula came to feeling the impact to free agency was in 1974. The Dolphins lost Larry Csonka, Paul Warfield and Jim Kiick to the WFL. He lost his starting receiver and 2/3 of his backfield and went 10-4 that year without them. But the Steelers were on the rise anyways. @@PurpleMonkeyDishwasher88
Fool use your head. Y'all say the dumbest stuff without thinking.. the team is trash if you haven't noticed... he needs to give up the gm role. His coaching is great. You can see it if you know football. It's his ability to put teams together that's so suspect. He needs to give that role to somebody else
Joy is right. Yes having difficult conversations is rough. But look at the Lakers. The Buss family, is an ACTUAL family. Jim Buss, was fired as head of basketball operations of the Lakers. Official public statement said it was a "step down" but everyone was calling for it. Then Jeannie took over and started to turn the team around.
Shady speaking facts Asante Sameul called this 2 years ago it’s the Brady hating media and fans that had the delusional takes on Belichik being some genius players who played know
No one has mentioned the true history of the fact that Belechick wanted to move on from Brady as early as 2015 - drafted Jimmy G the year before and even benched Brady for Garapolo - everyone thought it was the end of the era - everyone said Tom was too Old - past his prime - Belechick would have us believe it because he the greatest coach ever a football genius right? That’s what everyone was saying … all Tom wanted to do was finish out his career in NE get a long term contract but Belechick said no - just 1 year deals- he was ready to move on - meanwhile Brady kept taking them to SB after SB - finally Tom probably just had enough - parted ways - and got that commitment from the Bucs - who weren’t even his first choice - he could’ve went anywhere- but everyone thought the success was all Belechick. Even the analysts - meanwhile Belechick signs a has been Cam Newton who is just a showboat and cooked - Mranwhile Tom takes Tampa to the Super Bowl and in his 2nd year comes back to Foxborough and beats the Patriots AND again in his 2 nd yr at Tampa comes a game away from the conference championship - drives his team down with like a minute left to tie it up vs the Rams - if it wasn’t for the coaching Bungling the D - and of course if Antonio Brown hadn’t gone off the deep end that year and walked off - Tampa would had back 2 back for sure for sure for sure - it would been amazing he would have played vs the 49rs and Jimmy G and would’ve beat the day lights out of them and then walked off into the sunset - either way Belechick took way too much credit - he’s feeling the heat now - and you know Tom - so much the professional and gentleman to ever say - is sheepishly grinning or should I say GOAT grinning
Did it ever occur to you that Mr. Kraft doesn't think Belichick was such an important piece in Pats dynasty? Otherwise, no way would he not invite Belichick to his wedding.
The only reason I would want to keep him, is that he is so close to the all time wins record(18 more). But at this pace, 18 wins is looking so far away
Kraft HAS been patient, but Belichick was on borrowed time the moment he pushed Brady out the door and down to Tampa. And honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised Kraft gave Belichick a deadline the moment Brady hoisted that Lombardi with the Bucs. Belichick gots to be done after this year. Only pushback I’ll give is… I can see Kraft giving him the opportunity to step down as GM before he takes the decision away from him.
Isn’t bill the same coach he’s always been? What had he changed? The game has changed, but he’s always adjusted his game plan to showcase the talent of the players. No coach can be great without a great QB. These talking heads are just in their feelings about BB’s 20 years of excellence.
The thing is when you fire someone the real question is who can you get that’s better and there’s nobody out there better and nobody in nfl history better and this is coming from a Bronco fam
Robert Kraft is already 82, I think he doesn't want to be the one to fire Belichick, may be he is too soft to do it because of all the history. He is probably thinking of 2 things: 1) how many more years has he got? and 2) how many more years will Belichick continue to coach at 71? So, he is most likely waiting for Belichick to retire on his own accord. However, the problem is his sons are working there, so Belichick will probably want to be the HC for as long as he can and hopefully one of his sons could become the HC. If that is the case, Robert Kraft is probably thinking at 82 he won't have that many years left. He will just let Belichick carry on until he passes away, after that it will be up to his son Jonathan Kraft to do the deed or do whatever he sees fit. This is why you should never mix business with emotions. Some people can compartmentalize and handle it, others just can't.
He's not retiring anytime soon. He's he's only 30 wins away from the all time coaching wins record. He'll probably step down after he passes the record. Kraft owes him to continue to stay on until he passes the record.
What Kraft should've done is gotten rid of Belichick 4 years ago, instead of allowing Belichick to force Brady out of New England. Now he has to lay in the bed he made
Its unfair for BB to be label as average when he is very old now, of course BB has lost some step. Can't say BB is below average and Brady deserved all the credit because BB provided Brady Top 10 defense year after year with the best salary cap situation to build a two decade dynasty... None of quarterbacks or organization enjoy such success, not only to keep Brady focus in winning championship. BB is almost 72, so it is unfair to berate him as a phony or below average because look at all the Patriots players once he sign off to other teams, they don't get better or produce, they always come back to BB to become successful again. BB is a has been but he was a great coach. Media just want the coverage of internal turmoil between BB and Robert Kraft.
The Tom Brady Aura. When you are within that vicinity, you are good. When you are not, you are bad. When Brady left, the Patriots defense went from #1 to #7. The Bucs defense went from #29 to #8. Coincidence? Every coach in Belichick's tree that left has failed. Because they no longer had Brady. And you want to talk about age? Coaches don't need to be young to coach well, QBs do, but Brady after 40 still had more success than most QBs do in their entire career. Don't gives us that nonsense. Pete Carol is winning with a Geno Smith that everyone wrote off.
I heard before the season Kraft talked with Belichek and said if things aren’t successful this season he’s gone at head coach and will be offered a different position in front office other than GM. Dont know how valid that story is but i do believe Bill’s time is running out as HC in NE
Dont get me wrong Belichik should be on the hot seat like most coaches would be in this situation but it’s like people forget they made the playoffs in ‘21. The problem is Mac jones has regressed since then so I think he needs one last chance with a legit QB and if he fails then they should move on from him.
They made the playoffs on a weak schedule and got destroyed when they played a real team. Mac didn't regressed bill the hc hired a dc to coach the offense so how tf did he regressed
@@ayoolou9392 if that’s the case then Buffalo made it bc of their “weak” schedule too bc they literally play 95% of the same teams 🥴 and not only do his yards, completion %, and TDs show that he’s regressed but you can literally watch the games and see that he’s not seeing the field well or getting the ball out fast to avoid the majority of his TOs 🤷🏽♂️ but sure lil buddy believe whatever you need to
Bill belichick brought him too many superbowl titles Patriots way become something it be wrong to fire him the spurs ownership havent fired there head coach how many playoff they been in since Kawhi left
"They gon forget everything you did" lmao idk who you're speaking on I can never forget Bill Belichick head coaching for my 6x Super Bowl winner Patriots. Nobody worth thinking about in this instance would do that either imo.
I personally believe if Robert Kraft is approaching this. He is probably looking at the idea of removing Belichick from personnel decisions, and getting a GM with a VP in Football Operations. He will probably give it a years time after that. If Belichick is still not improving then he probably cuts bait with him.
Bill Belichicks greatest gift is his hubris and narcissism. He actually believed that he made Tom Brady. He actually believed that Tom Brady was a system quarterback. He actually believes that he's the greatest coach in NFL history. Penny, for your thoughts, Bill, you aren't 😂😂😂
He’s been coaching in the NFL for like 3 decades. He’s not growing as a person anymore. He’s still operating and treating players like it’s 2007. They respect what you’ve done but they don’t respect what you’re doing.
The problem is . Bill forced Tom out before building out the roster, if he had actually keep Tom. And filled out his roster, they’d be a lot more competitive right now
Robert Kraft is an old-school self-made man, built his company from the ground up, he's also the type of boss who knows the first name of the janitor, treats his employees like family, values loyalty so I dont' think Bill will be fired, he'll be given a gracious way out, give a him a title "Senior Advisor" or whatever. Bob Kraft is NOT one of these Hedge Fund owners like Carolina, Washington DC, built their fortune on investing, those guys are ruthless, all about Winning, Bill hasn't done anything in 3 years, with his current record, he'd be fired in nano-second.
That's got to be one of the biggest blunders along side Sean Payton's remarks about Hackket. Brady won the Super Bowl the very next year after he was pushed out of New England. Letting Brady go has to be seen as one of the biggest mistakes in NFL history.
Show would be awesome without shady. Lol.. non of these guys talked about all the coaches last ten years without a playoff win record and they have lasted for years. lol.. shady bring up Andy Reid but even Andy has hall of farmers on offense and he only won 2 lol.. bb has 6. So Andy has had top offenses his entire coaching career with McNaab and maholmes and he couldn’t achieve what bill has accomplished. Brady never tackled, blocked, kicked or caught the ball. It was never 1v 11 lol
12:35: Joy is a sad girl. "All things, all things come to an end". No, Joy. The love I get from my daughter, and the love I have for her, will never end. Start a family, Joy, you'll see.
Unconditional love is a bad comparison. If your daughter becomes a murderer, you will defend and support her, because of unconditional love, even though she's a murderer. Everything, including love, should have conditions. Nothing should blindly be given no limitations.
Glad they said it. An average coach without TB. i used to think that BB made the team, no it was TB. Without Brady Billvis 50-50. I think if you add this season he is below 500
I predict Mac Jones will have yet another disastrous game that gets him for a third time and then he’ll have to be traded before the deadline. However, the moment that happens, we then see how successful Mac becomes after the trade. The more successful he is, the more likely Bill will be fired.
I'ma lifelong Patriots fan and I'm telling y'all that the people are overreacting. Belichick deserves a 5 year leash for what he's been apart of for the Patriots. Mac isn't it
Bill is fine as coach. Patriots wr can’t get separated and it is hurting Max Jones and their entire offense. You need players to win as coach and Bill needs better talent, they have not drafted a decent receiver in a long tine
If Mac Jones and Kenny picket are at the same level. (Which I think they are) bill has no reason to at less at the same level of success as the Steelers.
@@haloiscool1235 Steelers draft WRs well. They have Pickens and other guys that get separation. NE WR cant get open, so their offense averages 11 points a game.
@@nightowl1337 pit averages 15 points vs the patriots 11. But if you only included offensive points scored it’s 13 vs 10.8. Separation is needed but if your bill that has been coaching this long. You need to know how to plan around this. Especially since a lot of Brady’s years where dealing with wide receiver groups like this. So they should have the plans necessary for this predicament.
@@nightowl1337 I am not saying he should have a winning record because du the team he built is pretty bad. But execution and game planning should be looking a lot better then it does.
In the past 4 seasons three head coaches have won the Super Bowl. I understand that right now the Patriots look really bad but what have the other 29 coaches done in the last 4 years?
You can look at bill face during press conferences and interviews, that man don’t care no more. He is emotionless and I cannot imagine this man giving a speech to hype up his team. He is there to collect a check, you can look at his face in a press conference and see that he really don’t give af. He is and was an average coach . Tb12 was the reason they won like they did . Bill needs to go!! and I’m am not a patriots fan .
If I'm the Patriots I'm trying to lose every single game so I can get Caleb Williams or Drake May. I'm also trying to trade some pieces this year so I can get into the top 15 to pick Marvin Harrison Jr and maybe some lineman.
Its funny so many people are after Bill's head because he has been doing poorly for 2 seasons (this and last). Remember they were 10-6 for macs first year. Did people ask for Pops (spurs coach) when he was doing poorly.
Football is a results business. The results just aren't good enough. Players get let go every day when they are not good enough any more. To me, Belichek was done the minute he made Matt Patricia an offensive coordinator. That would have been a fireable offense for ANY other coach. Why not him?
Kraft is NOT going to let Belichick go. It would be nice to see Belichick give up his GM power to someone that has played the game and is younger. Belichick is still a very good coach he just needs to give up his GM responsibilities and focus more on his defense.
What have you seen from belicheck this season to back up your claim that’s he still a good coach because he’s looking like bottom 5 coach at the moment
Business is NEVER personal. It's Wins vs Losses. It's NOT the coach, but the GM and talent evaluators have to be FIRED yesterday. I'm got two words: N'Keal Harry 👀🤔🤨
Why do all those people act like they never watched the games/titles the Patriots won during Brady's years? There are at least 2 SBs where Brady was mediocre at best and he won. Look at Brady's carrier and how many times he had a top 10 defence - 16 times out of 19 years. Saying Belichik has been carried by Brady should immediately disqualify you from a serious football talk
Bill belichick as a coach is GOAt, but the worst general manager ever¿. The roster the last 10 years was awful. Except Slater, no one other good draft pick in 10 years¿¿¿
the hilarious part is, if these roles were flipped and Belichick was the owner and Kraft the HC, he would have fired Kraft the second they lost that first Giants Super Bowl in 07
It was 2008, and didn't Brady have the best offense in football. Undefeated and only score 14 points. 🤔. While having Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Kevin Faulk and Ben Watson.
Craft should treat bill the same way bill has treated his players specially Tom …. Move on from them sooner rather than later…!!!! What was good for them should be good for bill…!!!!
Pittsburgh let Charles Henry Noll stay around too long. Chuck built the Steelers from perennial losers into champions, but he became outdated and stuck in his ways. Bill Cowher was the change Pittsburgh needed at the time.
In my opinion the patriots don’t get better by replacing head coaches atp. In fact I believe that would make the patriots worse at this point in time. Mac Jones would look terrible having to learn yet a new offense, and the team lacks talent.
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Bill.... you don't have to go home, but you do gotta go.
gotta go get Tebow!😁
Nah Belicheck can stay just give up the GM roll idc what these sports media people are saying
@@455zzzi agree with this he can’t draft good
He's trash at putting teams together. Good coach though
If Jerry could chase off Jimmy Johnson immediately after two super bowls and the Bulls chase off Phil Jackson immediately after six championships...no coaching position is safe.
there are billions of coaches that have won a lot more than belichick with average qb Rex Ryan won 4 playoff games with mark sanxhez pederson won with foles just to name a few .
@@Alex-sf9bohow have they won more then Belichick. 6 Superbowls
The Pittsburgh Steelers job is safe
Personally, I think Robert Kraft should talk the Belichick when the season is over and tell him that he can still be the head coach but he will no longer be in charge as GM.
Treat Belichick how he treated Randy Moss, Wes Welker, he tried to trade Gronk, and he tried to trade Tom Brady to start Jimmy G, then he actually forced Tom out. Bill is the luckiest coach of all time
You just started watching football huh
@@tjr2312everything he said was facts where’s the lie
@@32jalen luckiest coach of all time is a major stretch and very disrespectful like he wasn’t producing top 10 defenses every SB run
@@tjr2312 where’s that defense now ? They’re a below average defense I personally do think he’s the luckiest coach Of all time simply because he lucked into Brady he didn’t win before Brady as a hc and he’s not winning now he’s a great defensive mind but a terrible head coach and horrible gm
@@32jalen His defense is bad because two of his best starters are hurt. Like slow your roll
Kraft shoulda used Belichick's philosophy against him, get rid of em a year or two early, rather than a year or two late 😂
It’s 2 years to late now
Now this is the comment
I absolutely cannot believe this conversation
Me either.
Have you been watching the past 4 years Bill pushed Brady out the door with no plan at all he has to go!!!
Belichick needs to thank two people for his success: Lawrence Taylor and Tom Brady. I think this should make people appreciate Shula's greatness even more. He may not have won as many Super Bowls but he adapted to the times and lasted for so long with competitive teams and so few losing seasons. This guy can't even last without Brady!
Except Shula won zero super bowls even with a hof in 15 years lol bb won 6.. your argument is not very good lol
Don Shula had Johnny Unitas, Earl Morrall, Bob Griese, Dan Marino as starting quarterbacks during the majority of his tenure as coach. However, the difference back in the last century when Shula coached, is that you can have a winning team with a mediocre quarterback if you had a good defense and special teams. No way you will see that happen now. He also coached 30 of his 33yrs in a league with no free agency. Imagine how hard it would've been to keep talent with the constant roster turnover every offseason, instead of basically hoarding all the talent on your team and not letting them leave. Plus BB has always been a defensive minded coach, and the majority of those barely last these days, unless they have a good quarterback. I give credit for BB scheming games for his defenses and special teams, but he has no clue when it comes to getting a QB
@@PurpleMonkeyDishwasher88 great reply.. I said 15 because of Marino but that too was a guess.. Hifive. I enjoy replies of educated people because it sometimes educates me. :)
yeah, the '00 Ravens and the '02 Bucs were the last teams to win with a mediocre QB and great, even historic defenses. Maybe you can count the last Broncos SB win with Peyton because he had nothing left at the time and that defense was awesome. But he was still Peyton Manning. The closest Shula came to feeling the impact to free agency was in 1974. The Dolphins lost Larry Csonka, Paul Warfield and Jim Kiick to the WFL. He lost his starting receiver and 2/3 of his backfield and went 10-4 that year without them. But the Steelers were on the rise anyways. @@PurpleMonkeyDishwasher88
Fool use your head. Y'all say the dumbest stuff without thinking.. the team is trash if you haven't noticed... he needs to give up the gm role. His coaching is great. You can see it if you know football. It's his ability to put teams together that's so suspect. He needs to give that role to somebody else
The problem isn't his coaching, it's his drafting and free agent moves
The problem is also his ego and lack of concern for loyalty when it comes to those players..especially offensive skill players.
Joy is right. Yes having difficult conversations is rough. But look at the Lakers. The Buss family, is an ACTUAL family. Jim Buss, was fired as head of basketball operations of the Lakers. Official public statement said it was a "step down" but everyone was calling for it. Then Jeannie took over and started to turn the team around.
LeSean wants to call Belichick average but glowingly talk about Andy like he won Super Bowls before Patrick Mahomes
Thank you!
Shady speaking facts Asante Sameul called this 2 years ago it’s the Brady hating media and fans that had the delusional takes on Belichik being some genius players who played know
@@davis2k1234Asante has been hating on bill since he let him go in the 00s….known hater
Reid went to a Sb and championship game without Mahomes, Bill won ONE playoff game without Brady in 11 seasons
@@stephanea5364this doesn't make sense in to many ways for me to explain.
Joy looks amazing!! She’s definitely taking care of herself.
Tom Brady was New England. Players make the coach!
No one has mentioned the true history of the fact that Belechick wanted to move on from Brady as early as 2015 - drafted Jimmy G the year before and even benched Brady for Garapolo - everyone thought it was the end of the era - everyone said Tom was too Old - past his prime - Belechick would have us believe it because he the greatest coach ever a football genius right? That’s what everyone was saying … all Tom wanted to do was finish out his career in NE get a long term contract but Belechick said no - just 1 year deals- he was ready to move on - meanwhile Brady kept taking them to SB after SB - finally Tom probably just had enough - parted ways - and got that commitment from the Bucs - who weren’t even his first choice - he could’ve went anywhere- but everyone thought the success was all Belechick. Even the analysts - meanwhile Belechick signs a has been Cam Newton who is just a showboat and cooked - Mranwhile Tom takes Tampa to the Super Bowl and in his 2nd year comes back to Foxborough and beats the Patriots AND again in his 2 nd yr at Tampa comes a game away from the conference championship - drives his team down with like a minute left to tie it up vs the Rams - if it wasn’t for the coaching Bungling the D - and of course if Antonio Brown hadn’t gone off the deep end that year and walked off - Tampa would had back 2 back for sure for sure for sure - it would been amazing he would have played vs the 49rs and Jimmy G and would’ve beat the day lights out of them and then walked off into the sunset - either way Belechick took way too much credit - he’s feeling the heat now - and you know Tom - so much the professional and gentleman to ever say - is sheepishly grinning or should I say GOAT grinning
He ain't lying!
Did it ever occur to you that Mr. Kraft doesn't think Belichick was such an important piece in Pats dynasty?
Otherwise, no way would he not invite Belichick to his wedding.
He was invited though
@@mashedpotato982 LOL, why didn't he attend? don't tell me he didn't have time but had time for NBA games.
@@williamli6200The Patriots were playing the Browns 2 days after the wedding
@@TYreLL0416How long does it take to be in a Subway commercial?
@@TYreLL0416 Ever heard of something called Helicopter?
The Great Tom Landry went through it as well.
The only reason I would want to keep him, is that he is so close to the all time wins record(18 more). But at this pace, 18 wins is looking so far away
That's an awful reason. Make everyone else suffer for one man's self worth.
@@clarkkent1521 Thats to have that record on the team.
He's only 8 more losses away from the all time losses record in the reggie season, he will get that before the wins one
Kraft HAS been patient, but Belichick was on borrowed time the moment he pushed Brady out the door and down to Tampa.
And honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised Kraft gave Belichick a deadline the moment Brady hoisted that Lombardi with the Bucs.
Belichick gots to be done after this year. Only pushback I’ll give is… I can see Kraft giving him the opportunity to step down as GM before he takes the decision away from him.
Seems that Joy is forgetting one important thing: Mike Tomlin and Pete Carroll aren't the GM's of their respective football teams.
Doesn’t fit the narrative
Isn’t bill the same coach he’s always been? What had he changed? The game has changed, but he’s always adjusted his game plan to showcase the talent of the players.
No coach can be great without a great QB. These talking heads are just in their feelings about BB’s 20 years of excellence.
You know what i just thought About? What if Kraft is sayin to bill... You gave me 6 I'll give you 6. We already at 4 anyway
A one-year grace period is crazy lol... yes Belichick has had more but Joy said generally one year
Love this show.
Bill tried to move on from Tom brady when he had Jimmy G but Kraft interfered so he deserves more time … he needs to bring a offensive mind in tho …
So he shall be rewarded for bug mistake?
Jimmy Glassopolo LOL
Joy with the sneaky Acho reference to his series Uncomfortable Conversations
The thing is when you fire someone the real question is who can you get that’s better and there’s nobody out there better and nobody in nfl history better and this is coming from a Bronco fam
Robert Kraft is already 82, I think he doesn't want to be the one to fire Belichick, may be he is too soft to do it because of all the history. He is probably thinking of 2 things: 1) how many more years has he got? and 2) how many more years will Belichick continue to coach at 71? So, he is most likely waiting for Belichick to retire on his own accord. However, the problem is his sons are working there, so Belichick will probably want to be the HC for as long as he can and hopefully one of his sons could become the HC. If that is the case, Robert Kraft is probably thinking at 82 he won't have that many years left. He will just let Belichick carry on until he passes away, after that it will be up to his son Jonathan Kraft to do the deed or do whatever he sees fit. This is why you should never mix business with emotions. Some people can compartmentalize and handle it, others just can't.
No matter what happens , this season should be the test of ability in the staff
RKK took over GM duties when Parcels was there. He needs to do that with BB. And if BB doesn’t like it (like Parcels did), then leave.
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He's not retiring anytime soon. He's he's only 30 wins away from the all time coaching wins record. He'll probably step down after he passes the record. Kraft owes him to continue to stay on until he passes the record.
What Kraft should've done is gotten rid of Belichick 4 years ago, instead of allowing Belichick to force Brady out of New England. Now he has to lay in the bed he made
Its unfair for BB to be label as average when he is very old now, of course BB has lost some step. Can't say BB is below average and Brady deserved all the credit because BB provided Brady Top 10 defense year after year with the best salary cap situation to build a two decade dynasty... None of quarterbacks or organization enjoy such success, not only to keep Brady focus in winning championship. BB is almost 72, so it is unfair to berate him as a phony or below average because look at all the Patriots players once he sign off to other teams, they don't get better or produce, they always come back to BB to become successful again. BB is a has been but he was a great coach. Media just want the coverage of internal turmoil between BB and Robert Kraft.
He wasn't old before Brady and was srtill below average
The Tom Brady Aura. When you are within that vicinity, you are good. When you are not, you are bad. When Brady left, the Patriots defense went from #1 to #7. The Bucs defense went from #29 to #8. Coincidence? Every coach in Belichick's tree that left has failed. Because they no longer had Brady. And you want to talk about age? Coaches don't need to be young to coach well, QBs do, but Brady after 40 still had more success than most QBs do in their entire career. Don't gives us that nonsense. Pete Carol is winning with a Geno Smith that everyone wrote off.
yeah, saying he's old now is the worse excuse I ever heard Ahahah@@clarkkent1521
@@clarkkent1521well stated
I heard before the season Kraft talked with Belichek and said if things aren’t successful this season he’s gone at head coach and will be offered a different position in front office other than GM. Dont know how valid that story is but i do believe Bill’s time is running out as HC in NE
Dont get me wrong Belichik should be on the hot seat like most coaches would be in this situation but it’s like people forget they made the playoffs in ‘21. The problem is Mac jones has regressed since then so I think he needs one last chance with a legit QB and if he fails then they should move on from him.
They made the playoffs on a weak schedule and got destroyed when they played a real team. Mac didn't regressed bill the hc hired a dc to coach the offense so how tf did he regressed
@@ayoolou9392 if that’s the case then Buffalo made it bc of their “weak” schedule too bc they literally play 95% of the same teams 🥴 and not only do his yards, completion %, and TDs show that he’s regressed but you can literally watch the games and see that he’s not seeing the field well or getting the ball out fast to avoid the majority of his TOs 🤷🏽♂️ but sure lil buddy believe whatever you need to
Bill has a lifetime pass. Imagine the next coach that wins a single chip in Dallas now imagine if he won 2 or 3.
Bill belichick brought him too many superbowl titles Patriots way become something it be wrong to fire him the spurs ownership havent fired there head coach how many playoff they been in since Kawhi left
Brady brought them
Joy looking too fire to care if bill is getting fired
"They gon forget everything you did" lmao idk who you're speaking on I can never forget Bill Belichick head coaching for my 6x Super Bowl winner Patriots. Nobody worth thinking about in this instance would do that either imo.
I personally believe if Robert Kraft is approaching this. He is probably looking at the idea of removing Belichick from personnel decisions, and getting a GM with a VP in Football Operations. He will probably give it a years time after that. If Belichick is still not improving then he probably cuts bait with him.
Bill Belichicks greatest gift is his hubris and narcissism. He actually believed that he made Tom Brady. He actually believed that Tom Brady was a system quarterback. He actually believes that he's the greatest coach in NFL history.
Penny, for your thoughts, Bill, you aren't 😂😂😂
Bill would always say the team comes first, I'll make the decisions that are best for the team, it's time for Kraft to do what's best for the team.
Get'em Joy!!
Bill should’ve went out on top but I get him wanting to break the all-time wins record.
the debate was settled years ago
There’s coaches in this league than have done less and are still coaching falling short.
Bill has never tanked the season for a high draft pick. Right now would be the perfect time they need a new mobile QB and a WR.
And do what with them? Mac Jones was a pro bowl playoff QB and now has turn him into a laughing stock. Belichick ruined Jones.
He’s been coaching in the NFL for like 3 decades. He’s not growing as a person anymore. He’s still operating and treating players like it’s 2007. They respect what you’ve done but they don’t respect what you’re doing.
49 years
Probably the most that I've agreed with Shady since he's been on the show
The problem is . Bill forced Tom out before building out the roster, if he had actually keep Tom. And filled out his roster, they’d be a lot more competitive right now
Yes Joy! “This is not a team that even operating under seriousness.”
What if the patriots get the first pick , you not giving bill another chance with Caleb ?
They think bill belichick is Eric Spoelstra
Ok but are they firing him as the head coach or gm or as both?
Bring in a GM that will fire Belichick.
Robert Kraft is an old-school self-made man, built his company from the ground up, he's also the type of boss who knows the first name of the janitor, treats his employees like family, values loyalty so I dont' think Bill will be fired, he'll be given a gracious way out, give a him a title "Senior Advisor" or whatever. Bob Kraft is NOT one of these Hedge Fund owners like Carolina, Washington DC, built their fortune on investing, those guys are ruthless, all about Winning, Bill hasn't done anything in 3 years, with his current record, he'd be fired in nano-second.
Kraft and Bill gonna figure it out over a quick hand job, shakes hands, and sign the paperwork.
Bill had a great run give him the rest of this season then the Axe.
I actually like this show
Joy speaks facts
Kaft let Brady go when he was still productive and he should definitely let Belichick go with his non production.
Bill would fire himself, Bill ran a superbowl winning QB out the door.
That's got to be one of the biggest blunders along side Sean Payton's remarks about Hackket. Brady won the Super Bowl the very next year after he was pushed out of New England. Letting Brady go has to be seen as one of the biggest mistakes in NFL history.
Show would be awesome without shady. Lol.. non of these guys talked about all the coaches last ten years without a playoff win record and they have lasted for years. lol.. shady bring up Andy Reid but even Andy has hall of farmers on offense and he only won 2 lol.. bb has 6. So Andy has had top offenses his entire coaching career with McNaab and maholmes and he couldn’t achieve what bill has accomplished. Brady never tackled, blocked, kicked or caught the ball. It was never 1v 11 lol
12:35: Joy is a sad girl. "All things, all things come to an end". No, Joy. The love I get from my daughter, and the love I have for her, will never end. Start a family, Joy, you'll see.
Unconditional love is a bad comparison. If your daughter becomes a murderer, you will defend and support her, because of unconditional love, even though she's a murderer. Everything, including love, should have conditions. Nothing should blindly be given no limitations.
@@clarkkent1521 I feel sorry for you too.
@@jeanfourcade Ignorance truly is bliss.
@@clarkkent1521 😂
Glad they said it. An average coach without TB. i used to think that BB made the team, no it was TB. Without Brady Billvis 50-50. I think if you add this season he is below 500
I predict Mac Jones will have yet another disastrous game that gets him for a third time and then he’ll have to be traded before the deadline. However, the moment that happens, we then see how successful Mac becomes after the trade. The more successful he is, the more likely Bill will be fired.
I'ma lifelong Patriots fan and I'm telling y'all that the people are overreacting. Belichick deserves a 5 year leash for what he's been apart of for the Patriots. Mac isn't it
4 of you are the truth in sports commentary.
Right to the point consistently.
Oh yeah joy your brother's nick name is order 66.
Bill is fine as coach. Patriots wr can’t get separated and it is hurting Max Jones and their entire offense. You need players to win as coach and Bill needs better talent, they have not drafted a decent receiver in a long tine
If Mac Jones and Kenny picket are at the same level. (Which I think they are) bill has no reason to at less at the same level of success as the Steelers.
@@haloiscool1235 Steelers draft WRs well. They have Pickens and other guys that get separation. NE WR cant get open, so their offense averages 11 points a game.
@@nightowl1337 pit averages 15 points vs the patriots 11. But if you only included offensive points scored it’s 13 vs 10.8. Separation is needed but if your bill that has been coaching this long. You need to know how to plan around this. Especially since a lot of Brady’s years where dealing with wide receiver groups like this. So they should have the plans necessary for this predicament.
@@nightowl1337 I am not saying he should have a winning record because du the team he built is pretty bad. But execution and game planning should be looking a lot better then it does.
@@haloiscool1235 They need to pull Bill from drafting. His draft record for offense is bad.
In the past 4 seasons three head coaches have won the Super Bowl. I understand that right now the Patriots look really bad but what have the other 29 coaches done in the last 4 years?
So which one of them is hitting Joy
Bill Belichick stays ❤ Ezekiel Elliott goes 😊. He needs to pass No. 1 in wins as NFL head coach!
Really? Steelers have had only 3 head coaches since 1969.
You can look at bill face during press conferences and interviews, that man don’t care no more. He is emotionless and I cannot imagine this man giving a speech to hype up his team. He is there to collect a check, you can look at his face in a press conference and see that he really don’t give af. He is and was an average coach . Tb12 was the reason they won like they did . Bill needs to go!! and I’m am not a patriots fan .
I think he will need to move off him as GM first.
If I'm the Patriots I'm trying to lose every single game so I can get Caleb Williams or Drake May. I'm also trying to trade some pieces this year so I can get into the top 15 to pick Marvin Harrison Jr and maybe some lineman.
I really wish that the producers would let each person as they do instead of making all of them trying to sound hood.
You think the producers tell them how to sound ?
Joy really carrying y’all, AND looking so good doing it! 🔥 🔥
i love Joy
Bill cut so many players when it was time for their big payday after them playing well for years.
Its funny so many people are after Bill's head because he has been doing poorly for 2 seasons (this and last). Remember they were 10-6 for macs first year. Did people ask for Pops (spurs coach) when he was doing poorly.
James Jones NAILED IT
Your time is done and we will celebrate you in a while
But not its time to go
Football is a results business. The results just aren't good enough. Players get let go every day when they are not good enough any more.
To me, Belichek was done the minute he made Matt Patricia an offensive coordinator. That would have been a fireable offense for ANY other coach. Why not him?
He owns the cheese!
Kraft is NOT going to let Belichick go. It would be nice to see Belichick give up his GM power to someone that has played the game and is younger. Belichick is still a very good coach he just needs to give up his GM responsibilities and focus more on his defense.
What have you seen from belicheck this season to back up your claim that’s he still a good coach because he’s looking like bottom 5 coach at the moment
Business is NEVER personal. It's Wins vs Losses. It's NOT the coach, but the GM and talent evaluators have to be FIRED yesterday. I'm got two words: N'Keal Harry 👀🤔🤨
I like lady’s comparing bill with mike tomlin and p carel regarding how they adjust after hall of fame qb left.
No yall....Robert listen.. you let Bill stay as long as he wants I'm having a great season laughing at this team!
Chase Don Shula Records 328 wins Bill Belichick 299 18 short away from Records Not want leave want Don Shula Records NFL Regular season wins
Why don't they say the same with Spurs' coach Gregg Popovich??? after the Big 3, there was no more success??
Bill got something on Bobby I betchu. Kraft would've sent Bill out right behind Brady. Or maybe he would've kept Brady 🤔
It's gonna be very weird to see any coach besides Belichick on the Patriots sideline...
Forgetting one important question fire bill and hire who? The man was on a 20 year run y’all crying over 4 years. Lame takes
Why do all those people act like they never watched the games/titles the Patriots won during Brady's years? There are at least 2 SBs where Brady was mediocre at best and he won. Look at Brady's carrier and how many times he had a top 10 defence - 16 times out of 19 years. Saying Belichik has been carried by Brady should immediately disqualify you from a serious football talk
Bill belichick as a coach is GOAt, but the worst general manager ever¿. The roster the last 10 years was awful. Except Slater, no one other good draft pick in 10 years¿¿¿
the hilarious part is, if these roles were flipped and Belichick was the owner and Kraft the HC, he would have fired Kraft the second they lost that first Giants Super Bowl in 07
It was 2008, and didn't Brady have the best offense in football. Undefeated and only score 14 points. 🤔. While having Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Kevin Faulk and Ben Watson.
Craft should treat bill the same way bill has treated his players specially Tom …. Move on from them sooner rather than later…!!!! What was good for them should be good for bill…!!!!
Pittsburgh let Charles Henry Noll stay around too long. Chuck built the Steelers from perennial losers into champions, but he became outdated and stuck in his ways. Bill Cowher was the change Pittsburgh needed at the time.
Beli is tanking for Caleb Williams to come save his reputation.
Had Brady not been the backup for Drew Bledsoe, Belichek would of been gone decades ago.
In my opinion the patriots don’t get better by replacing head coaches atp. In fact I believe that would make the patriots worse at this point in time. Mac Jones would look terrible having to learn yet a new offense, and the team lacks talent.
They can't make Mac look any worse right now. The Patriots have hit rock bottom.
The Pats are giving up defensive TDs almost every game.
Bill ain’t going no where Kraft likes him too much. Also it’s crazy how much ppl where waiting for his fall more so than Tom’s.