The argument that Reid has a great record across franchises and QBs has merit. But you can also turn that around and say that it's easier to win that way because you can go where the talent is. Belichick did it all through thick and thin with one franchise and one QB, for twenty years. Personally, I think Brady was more important to the Pats' success than Belichick was, but I think Belichick's coaching was nearly as important. I also think it's unfair to say that Belichick had Brady all those years, because...WTF? It's not like he had a choice. It's entirely possible that he could have had similar success if Brady had retired and been replaced. Not likely, but possible.
Nick Wright is ALWAYS trying to put down Brady to make Mahomes look better! Sad and insecure! Even in this video, he says that Brady and Bellichick made each other great, which is true, but you can surely see his intention in saying it. In fact, although Mahomes still has a long way to go before he can even be in the remote goat conversation, one can say the same about him, that had he not been under Reid, he wouldn't have been as good!! Grow up Nick Wright! No hate for anyone from me, but saddens me to see his Insecurity consistently surface!!
@@priyavitallara6517 so true and to me it actually kinda ruins the show. His biases for Mahommes and KC ruins all his picks. He hats all teams and players that are a threat to KC like bills and 49ners
I can relate with Wildes, as a lifelong Seahawks fan I found myself surprisingly emotional when I got the news about Pete Carroll. These teams and coaches become such a big part of our lives without us even realizing, it's not until its all over where you realize how much time has passed and how many special memories you shared with said coach.
It's finally over. What a freakin' nightmare for fans of any other team. There are literally adults who were born with Tom and Bill winning titles, and became adults with the same thing happening. What a run. It will never be duplicated, IMO.
Because people put the Brady blinders on and want to tear down anyone and anything that goes against the narrative that Brady carried the entire organization
Guess you don't know that his defense played less than 20 minutes and only 6 minutes in 4th quarter, *and still collapsed and gave Bills a chance to win.* Stop talking like a (you fill in here).
The same reason we don't give Popovich a hard time for not winning without Duncan. Narratives are tough things to change. And don't forget his hand on the Ravens Defense.
You three nailed it. Very healthy, balanced perspectives. If not for Belichick there may not have been Tom Brady and vice versa. Belichick: "Players win games." Well done.
Wildes saying "back to the patriots which would be shocking" had be laughing out loud 😂 he's so effortlessly funny. A huge reason I look forward to this show so much.
Wildes I am with you. I cried when I watched the conference in NE. Not that change is bad, it is just what it means to RK, BB, the Patriots and all the fans - the end of something great, awesome! That is going to be really hard to duplicate, if ever. Watching the Patriots every Sunday for decades, what a joy!
There is NOW WAY Belichick or the Patriots thought he'd be there for almost 25 years!!! Both sides eternally grateful for the incredible ride! I love it. Best wishes to everybody!!!!!
Thank you Belichick for everything you did. Probably the best defensive mind in NFL history. Yeah Brady was awesome but don’t forget how many times the defensive bailed him out and won so many games. Also, Super Bowls.
I think Brady and Belichick had an incredibly symbiotic relationship. They both aided in creating and sustaining the other’s legacy. W/o each other, they don’t even have the opportunity to accomplish all that they did. I think that’s why it’s so difficult to parse out who was more crucial in their success. Their success is predicated on an interwoven symbiosis that makes it difficult to even conceptualize either achieving anything as great if they were apart.
@@timsweeney684 You would have a point if Brady didn't throw 3 picks against the PAckers and the Bucs D held them to 3 points off of the turnovers and he had a below 50% completion percentage against the Saints while the Bucs D forced 4 turnovers and the Bucs D held the best Offense in the league to 9 points in the Super Bowl. The Bucs team was so stacked especially once they added Antonion Brown and Gronk that was 4 number 1 receivers on the same team...That has NEVER been done before or since.
Shula went to 5 super-bowls with the Dolphins.... 3 different quarterbacks.. with different styles of play. He only won 2.. but he was always able to adapt.
They don’t seem to go back very far when talking about greats. Same with basketball, just forget all the greats prior to Jordan. Think it’s a recency bias the new kid is always the best ever.
Shula still holds the most win record, I believe, with Belichick knocking on the door. Unfortunately in today's NFL coverage all anyone ever discusses is SB victories rather than the volume of work coaches have achieved. These guys touched on it a little by mentioning Gibbs taking different QBs to the SB but skipped right over the great Shula.
What doesn’t get mentioned in the “record without Brady” is the QBs he had without Brady. Bernie Kosar, washed Cam Newton, Mac Jones, Bailey Zappe, and Matt Cassel. The best of those is Cassel who he went 11-5 with, they missed the Playoffs because of a complete fluke of tiebreakers and the Wildcat. Also Nick needs to stop trying to shoehorn Reid into this. Reid is miles away from catching Belicheck. And I don’t get why people use Deflategate against him when one, that was mostly attributed to Brady, and two, anyone with common sense can look back and see how nonsensical of a “scandal” that was, and how most of it was Goodell regretting not severely punishing him for Spygate.
Yes the patriots cheated players got suspended and the franchise lost draft picks cuz of it. Reid has brought multiple franchises in multiple conferences to super bowls. Andy has done nothing but win, even without Patrick. What has Bill done without Brady? Nothing! Reid is the 🐐
So basically you said they got punished the second time for not reacting tough enough to the first time they got caught cheating before the Super Bowl…..what a great argument 😂
6:22 I like how Nick actually tried to argue that Tom didn’t have the same success without Bill (because it served today’s choice of long winded story he was in the middle of), and Bru immediately knocked it down. And then Nick is like, well, nevertheless…lol
@@Coastal_Buckeye define "we". That the local chapter of people whos desire to constantly state opinions no one gives a f about try to counter strike against people who are in the spot light? Let me guess you dont like Tay Tay either? And just have to let everyone know.
Nick trying to say Andy could catch him with 4 rings because BB did it with Brady completely ignoring Andy would get all of his with Maholmes? Ok then.
What makes belichick 100x as dominant as Reid is the fact that he dominated multiple eras of the nfl. Reid only started winning. Super bowls when the league moved to offense. Belichick dominated in defensive era and offensive era
It’s because the Patriots were known for cheating Brady couldn’t win Super Bowls without great defenses. It was a real annoying kind of boring dynasty to watch.
I don't understand the narrative that he couldn't win without Brady. It's hard for any coach to win without QB especially in the modern NFL which is pretty much just a qbs league. If you want to judge his record without Tom Brady judge the games that Tom Brady missed due to injury or suspension. You can even take into account Tom Brady's first season. Because the Tom Brady we know today was not the same guy his first season really didn't become that guy till about halfway through his second year starting. Honestly in my opinion the Patriots made a mistake they should have let the guy break the record as a patriot just like they shouldn't have let Tom Brady win his last super bowl as a buc. People have to start looking at Robert Kraft because the buck really stops with him.
Its just a narrative used to try and diminish him, very few if any all time great coaches have ever done it without an all time great at QB. Walsh - Montana/Young Shula - Unitas/Marino Halas - Luckman Lombardi - Starr
I would argue Brady had a HoF career just in TB! 2020 - They didn't really start winning until he forced his way with the offense after the bye week. They never lost again. SB Champ. 2021 - Lost Div round to the Rams but might have won that if not for a boneheaded zero blitz defensive play to let Kupp get behind them for the walk-off FG, 2022 - Only made it to the Wildcard but Brady was 45 at that point and the team diminishing. That would be HoF worthy for anyone IMO.
That’s not a HOF career lol. Is Russ a HOFer? His career in Seattle was a lot more complete than Brady in just Tampa, same with Flacco, Eli, and Stafford up to this point, etc. Brady was crazy impressive in Tampa bc of the age, but imo needed another 2+ years and an mvp or additional Super Bowl appearance to be a HOFer in Tampa alone
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Adam Vinatieri had a big part in the Patriots success in the early years, especially kicking the 45 yarder in the snow and the winning kick in overtime against the Raiders!
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It’s ridiculous to not even mention that Bill did his thing all in the salary cap era. The degree of difficulty is insane when you have to deal with that cap. Look at how many great teams came and went during that time. Also yeah he had Brady but I’d say Peyton Manning was right up there in greatness. So was Rodgers. So was Brees. They all had awesome coaches too and won far less. So I don’t think it’s fair to downplay Bill just because he had Brady.
Agreed. But the difference with Brady is that he was not only a clutch player but also one of the best relationships guys. Brady kept those teams together by building relationships to make it work, something Bill is not as great at. That skill set became even more evident when he went to the Bucs, where he basically became a part-time coach and GM, totally changing the team culture within one year. It doesn't mean Brady could have done all he did in his career without Bill, but it does show that Brady became more than just a great QB.
@@scratchpenny Brady would've been great without Bill IF he ever got the opportunity to play. Bill gave him the chance to be great. Not many coaches have the balls to hand the keys to a 7th rounder when they have a franchise QB on the roster. Especially when the team was championship-caliber. Most other great QBs go to bad teams, and 7th round QBs usually go to great teams and just waste away on the bench. Brady hit the jackpot going to a team where the coach didn't give a f*ck if you were a pro-bowler... he'd sit you or cut you. He did it to McGinest, Moss, Welker, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Welker, Moss, Vinatieri, and many others. Brady did his thing in Tampa, but even then, the Bucs fell apart in 3 years. That's the Bill difference. The Pats had sustained excellence for 20+ years because of Bill's navigation of tough roster decisions every single year. Bill's ability to get guys on the cheap over and over and over while also replenishing lost talent is incredible. Brady wants to be cool with pretty much all his teammates. If it had been up to Brady, no moves would've been made and their dynasty would've died like so many others, when they buckle under the weight of the salary cap. That's not Brady's fault, he's the ultimate teammate, but you can't be nice to everyone in a league that pushes for so much turnover to encourage parity.
@@THE_BEAR_JEW Fair enough. And I don't think Brady was the only essential factor. But he was undervalued by Bill in NE over the last few years. Bill still saw Brady as just a player that was getting older. But The Patriot Way doesn't really work without Brady on board. And it wasn't just because they lacked his superior QB play. Bill didn't realize how much he needed Brady to be the relationship guy/leader to keep everything together. So, if Bill was the most crucial guy at 1a, Brady was 1b. And that's because Brady became more than just a great player later in his career. That's why he had such an immediate impact on Tampa. It's why the owner of the Bucs turned to Brady and said that he "showed them the way" right after the Super Bowl win. The owner knew that Brady brought more to the table than playing QB. If Belichick had realized this and given Brady a little more control/autonomy, Brady probably would have stayed, and Bill would still have his job.
Is there any coach that didn’t build a great career by having great athletes on their roster ? Then didn’t struggle when the great players left teams ?
The issue is that he is the one building the roster, and he has not been drafting great players. Zero players from the first three rounds of the draft have resigned with the team in a decade. If you cant draft great players, and keep them, your results will not be very good.
No that’s how sports works, and it’s such a point when people make the argument against it . “Good players and coaches win” , like yeah that’s kinda the point. They wouldn’t be considered good if they didn’t win
@@tyl8770 imo there’s other motivations to drafting players that outsiders don’t know about. Some coaches hate young players and just draft within family members or extended family friends. I wouldn’t hold that against him. His free agent signings are more of an indication of the type of player he can succeed with.
Wildes is so thoughtful in this segment. Love it. Bill-Brady is like Phil-Michael. They make each other. Finally - Belichick is the GOAT, but Andy Reid is knocking on the door...and has had some success without Mahomes.
I agree with wildes, Bill is the best and he'll always be the best. What he did as a coach is more than just wins and loses that we need to put in more perspective than just wether than who was more essential "him or brady"
I’m glad Wildes remembers these facts now. It would have been great if he’d reminded the audience some of these things these past 4 years as the media was busy tearing belichick and the Patriot Way down.
brady was the most important part cause bill’s best player was his hardest working & the first in the building & last to leave. when you had new players they had no excuse to slack cause the oldest player & the most accomplished player is the hardest working on the team. bill could focus all on the defense cause he knew brady & mcdaniels etc could get the job done to the typical standard. bill took that situation for granted. he can’t upkeep a team cause he can’t keep a QB.. overrated?? maybe
I think Belichick might be underrated if that’s even possible cuz of how great Brady was and the fact that he found success after he left him and the Patriots. Other than that, he’s the greatest defensive mind of all time and the greatest adjustment maker of all time. He’s the GOAT
Every single NFL offense has elements of Bill Walsh's revolutionary offense. Belicheck may have a better resume, but Andy Reid ?! Nah IF it's not Belicheck it reverts to Walsh
27-21 and two playoffs in 3 seasons weren't a failure for Carrol in NE. Kraft said it was one of his regrets. Failure is not having a winning record. Failure was not making the playoffs.
I can understand this topic. I’m a panthers fan and John fox and Ron Rivera leaving….. it has never been the same those two coach brought us within one game of winning a superbowl
I know this about Billy B. But since Nick brought up the GOAT coach debate, if we go by Brou's criteria, it's actually Kyle Shanahan setting himself up to be the guy having the most success with unheralded QBs, and multiple QBs. He's made the Pete Carroll/Billy B decision at QB for his guy. And IF he ends up coaching another QB after Purdy, or multiple, he'll be one of the few coaches that had success across multiple non-HOF QBs
Andy Reid will go down as the GOAT. He's had success with multiple other QBs and now has a generational talent at the position and will probably finish his career with Mahomes. He absolutely can win 2 more rings
I would go to the NFC for sure. Who's the stand out qb that you have to worry about in the playoffs?........ I don't think there is one really. But in the AFC....... Mahomes, Jackson, Burrow, Allen, Stroud, Lawrence, Pickett(jk), Herbert, and maybe Rodgers.
Joe Gibbs is the most underrated coach ever lol 3 Super Bowl wins with 3 diff starting QB? Plus the 91 Redskins were 1st in overall offense and 1st in overall defense. He did bring us to 4.
The disrespect from the casuals to the 🐐 by using narrow logic is crazy. How could Tom who plays the most team oriented sport in the world be the only reason for the 6 super bowls? Does Tom Even play defense or special team? He contributing to less than 50% of the game and one guy only is reason why they were successful? Look at the early superbowl wine. Brady was getting carried by the defense. He had Super Bowl games where he didn’t even throw 1 TD and had picks. Threw for less than 200 yards and beat the greatest show on turf. What about 2019 Super Bowl where he didn’t even score 1 TD and bills defense who held the hottest offense that year to 3 points. Let that sink in.
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Wait, Wildes lives in Schenectady? That can't be real, I live in Schenectady.
NOBODY IN RAIDERS NATION WANTS BELICHICK😂
The argument that Reid has a great record across franchises and QBs has merit. But you can also turn that around and say that it's easier to win that way because you can go where the talent is. Belichick did it all through thick and thin with one franchise and one QB, for twenty years. Personally, I think Brady was more important to the Pats' success than Belichick was, but I think Belichick's coaching was nearly as important. I also think it's unfair to say that Belichick had Brady all those years, because...WTF? It's not like he had a choice. It's entirely possible that he could have had similar success if Brady had retired and been replaced. Not likely, but possible.
Nick Wright is ALWAYS trying to put down Brady to make Mahomes look better! Sad and insecure! Even in this video, he says that Brady and Bellichick made each other great, which is true, but you can surely see his intention in saying it. In fact, although Mahomes still has a long way to go before he can even be in the remote goat conversation, one can say the same about him, that had he not been under Reid, he wouldn't have been as good!! Grow up Nick Wright! No hate for anyone from me, but saddens me to see his Insecurity consistently surface!!
@@priyavitallara6517 so true and to me it actually kinda ruins the show. His biases for Mahommes and KC ruins all his picks. He hats all teams and players that are a threat to KC like bills and 49ners
Belichick converting his 4-3 defense over to 6-1-4 to beat the RAMS no. 1 rated offense in 2018 Superbowl was his last genius move (and it was Genius)
One of his few genius moves...but this was definitely one of the best
@@markprice5651 / There are a few well done UA-cam videos of his defensive alignment in that game that are awesome
Everyone in the world knows that shouldve been rams vs chiefs [ but Dee ford and Chris jones(finger accidentally touched Brady for a free 15 yards) ]
Saints got robbed. They should have been in that Super Bowl. Saints would’ve beat the Pats lol
@@Andrew_M_Wardcould you give the channel so I can look it up please?
Wildes is the absolute GOAT. The story about moving out of the apartment was a fantastic analogy
Yall be glazing wildes too much😂
@@_taliq then boo him
I can relate with Wildes, as a lifelong Seahawks fan I found myself surprisingly emotional when I got the news about Pete Carroll. These teams and coaches become such a big part of our lives without us even realizing, it's not until its all over where you realize how much time has passed and how many special memories you shared with said coach.
My son messaged me to tell me about Bill, I have gotten zero work done today. LOL
Same for me with Saban in college. My first year watching football was the 2009 championship year. And yesterday it felt like a part of me died
@@kaptainkush4351that’s sad lol. A sports coach leaving a team caused you to not work at an optimal level? It’s not like a family member died
LOL, there's no such thing as "a life long seahawks fan".... that fan base is barely a decade old 🤣😂
I agree I hated seeing Jim Harbarugh leave The niners after back 2 back excellent seasons
It's finally over. What a freakin' nightmare for fans of any other team. There are literally adults who were born with Tom and Bill winning titles, and became adults with the same thing happening. What a run. It will never be duplicated, IMO.
It will be fun watching NE fade back into NFL irrelevance. I mean, without Brady they have already been nothing
@@markprice5651 Why are you always such a negative person? Who hurt you?
@@BabysitterSky Nobody. Why are you such an assumptuous clown?
@@BabysitterSky they do have have been nothing without Brady though
@@markprice5651 That just tells me they owned you for a minute. Maybe more than a minute
Why does no one ever talk about Belichick's two rings with the Giants? Including a SB gameplan vs the Bills that is literally in the Hall of Fame.
Because people put the Brady blinders on and want to tear down anyone and anything that goes against the narrative that Brady carried the entire organization
Success is attributed to the HC, failures are attributed to the players. Classic do as I say not as I do mentality logic wise
Guess you don't know that his defense played less than 20 minutes and only 6 minutes in 4th quarter, *and still collapsed and gave Bills a chance to win.*
Stop talking like a (you fill in here).
The same reason we don't give Popovich a hard time for not winning without Duncan. Narratives are tough things to change.
And don't forget his hand on the Ravens Defense.
Because when we’re talking about the best head coach it doesn’t make sense to count his rings as a coordinator
Times are changing , so many legends retiring! Sure a lot of people were not prepared for this.
Seeing Wildes sad is an actual bummer lol love this show
first things first, Kevin Wildes is a national treasure.
You three nailed it. Very healthy, balanced perspectives. If not for Belichick there may not have been Tom Brady and vice versa. Belichick: "Players win games." Well done.
Wildes saying "back to the patriots which would be shocking" had be laughing out loud 😂 he's so effortlessly funny. A huge reason I look forward to this show so much.
I was wondering how long it would take for Nick to bring up Reid. Longer than I thought but he never disappoints with the Chiefs angle.
Wildes I am with you. I cried when I watched the conference in NE. Not that change is bad, it is just what it means to RK, BB, the Patriots and all the fans - the end of something great, awesome! That is going to be really hard to duplicate, if ever. Watching the Patriots every Sunday for decades, what a joy!
Oof, crying? I wouldn’t have admitted that 😂
The 36 feet tall analogy had me dying 😂😂😂
There is NOW WAY Belichick or the Patriots thought he'd be there for almost 25 years!!! Both sides eternally grateful for the incredible ride! I love it. Best wishes to everybody!!!!!
Back to the Patriots would be…Shocking😂
That shi would be hilarious
Thank you Belichick for everything you did. Probably the best defensive mind in NFL history. Yeah Brady was awesome but don’t forget how many times the defensive bailed him out and won so many games. Also, Super Bowls.
when? belichicks defense lost superbowls
Brady also bailed that defense out a lot of times in close games
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Wow I’m so shocked this topic got spun into a “do the Chiefs actually have the greatest coach of all time?!” discussion
Nick always find a way to make it about his crazy bias for the chiefs
Truly pathetic and shameless. Toucan is such a delusional disingenuous 🤡
It's sickening.
Much funner Dynasty to watch
@@Jacob-nu4nd
Chiefs aren’t a dynasty…yet
@thehousecallsports eight consecutive AFC division titles. Five straight Afc championships, three Super Bowl appearances two Super Bowl wins.
I think Brady and Belichick had an incredibly symbiotic relationship. They both aided in creating and sustaining the other’s legacy. W/o each other, they don’t even have the opportunity to accomplish all that they did.
I think that’s why it’s so difficult to parse out who was more crucial in their success. Their success is predicated on an interwoven symbiosis that makes it difficult to even conceptualize either achieving anything as great if they were apart.
Except Brady left and won the Superbowl YEAR ONE!
Brady needed defense, NOT Brady needed Belichick's defense.
@@Klatubarada1979 with a loaded team
@@mr.denzelsausageton9719San Francisco and Dallas have been loaded for a few years now. How many superbowls they win? QB makes all the difference
@@timsweeney684 You would have a point if Brady didn't throw 3 picks against the PAckers and the Bucs D held them to 3 points off of the turnovers and he had a below 50% completion percentage against the Saints while the Bucs D forced 4 turnovers and the Bucs D held the best Offense in the league to 9 points in the Super Bowl. The Bucs team was so stacked especially once they added Antonion Brown and Gronk that was 4 number 1 receivers on the same team...That has NEVER been done before or since.
Shula went to 5 super-bowls with the Dolphins.... 3 different quarterbacks.. with different styles of play. He only won 2.. but he was always able to adapt.
They don’t seem to go back very far when talking about greats. Same with basketball, just forget all the greats prior to Jordan.
Think it’s a recency bias the new kid is always the best ever.
Shula still holds the most win record, I believe, with Belichick knocking on the door. Unfortunately in today's NFL coverage all anyone ever discusses is SB victories rather than the volume of work coaches have achieved. These guys touched on it a little by mentioning Gibbs taking different QBs to the SB but skipped right over the great Shula.
This co no reaction was great and part of why this show works. No one was outraged or said anything outrageous. Just honest, and entertaining
Such a great point. This group manages to have a great back and forth without ridiculous hot takes
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What doesn’t get mentioned in the “record without Brady” is the QBs he had without Brady. Bernie Kosar, washed Cam Newton, Mac Jones, Bailey Zappe, and Matt Cassel. The best of those is Cassel who he went 11-5 with, they missed the Playoffs because of a complete fluke of tiebreakers and the Wildcat.
Also Nick needs to stop trying to shoehorn Reid into this. Reid is miles away from catching Belicheck. And I don’t get why people use Deflategate against him when one, that was mostly attributed to Brady, and two, anyone with common sense can look back and see how nonsensical of a “scandal” that was, and how most of it was Goodell regretting not severely punishing him for Spygate.
Cheating is cheating. And I root for the Patriots, yet never will understand how someone can cheat and feel okay with getting a win.
But people used to say that Bray was a system QB yet Belichick can only win with Brady lol
Yes the patriots cheated players got suspended and the franchise lost draft picks cuz of it. Reid has brought multiple franchises in multiple conferences to super bowls. Andy has done nothing but win, even without Patrick. What has Bill done without Brady? Nothing! Reid is the 🐐
So basically you said they got punished the second time for not reacting tough enough to the first time they got caught cheating before the Super Bowl…..what a great argument 😂
Drew Bledsoe got forgotten in here.
6:22 I like how Nick actually tried to argue that Tom didn’t have the same success without Bill (because it served today’s choice of long winded story he was in the middle of), and Bru immediately knocked it down. And then Nick is like, well, nevertheless…lol
Belichik to the Saints🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Brady made people follow him that was the difference and as time passed he wasn’t just the qb he was the offensive coordinator.
Wildes is the heart of the show!
Love how Nick turned this into a Andy Reid/Mahomes argument
Bill has 8 sbs to be fair as a coach and coordinator 6 as hc.
Nobody counts coordinator SBs. That’s plain stupid
Nobody counts those.
Im sure the Giants players who not only carried Parcells off the field, but BB as well, would disagree ^x2
@@Torsar_ and we still don’t give a f^%#
@@Coastal_Buckeye define "we". That the local chapter of people whos desire to constantly state opinions no one gives a f about try to counter strike against people who are in the spot light? Let me guess you dont like Tay Tay either? And just have to let everyone know.
Wilde's about to throw hands 😂
Nick trying to say Andy could catch him with 4 rings because BB did it with Brady completely ignoring Andy would get all of his with Maholmes? Ok then.
What makes belichick 100x as dominant as Reid is the fact that he dominated multiple eras of the nfl. Reid only started winning. Super bowls when the league moved to offense. Belichick dominated in defensive era and offensive era
Nick makes everything about KC.
It’s because the Patriots were known for cheating Brady couldn’t win Super Bowls without great defenses. It was a real annoying kind of boring dynasty to watch.
@@Jacob-nu4nd everybody cheats. If you didn't like Patriots teams...you don't like football.
15:20 "He froze, my guy hasn't moved in 30 min" 😭
I don't understand the narrative that he couldn't win without Brady. It's hard for any coach to win without QB especially in the modern NFL which is pretty much just a qbs league. If you want to judge his record without Tom Brady judge the games that Tom Brady missed due to injury or suspension. You can even take into account Tom Brady's first season. Because the Tom Brady we know today was not the same guy his first season really didn't become that guy till about halfway through his second year starting. Honestly in my opinion the Patriots made a mistake they should have let the guy break the record as a patriot just like they shouldn't have let Tom Brady win his last super bowl as a buc. People have to start looking at Robert Kraft because the buck really stops with him.
Its just a narrative used to try and diminish him, very few if any all time great coaches have ever done it without an all time great at QB.
Walsh - Montana/Young
Shula - Unitas/Marino
Halas - Luckman
Lombardi - Starr
Facts: in 10 years without Tom, Bill has 2 playoff games. 42-58 before Tom n look at how in tatters he's leaving the Patriots 🙄
Taking a look back on NFL history, Belichick's 6 championships are tied for most all-time, as a Head Coach, with Curley Lambeau and George Halas.
Nick Wright to Wildes “Your guy cost your guy”, what a punchline to the gut ! 😂
I would argue Brady had a HoF career just in TB! 2020 - They didn't really start winning until he forced his way with the offense after the bye week. They never lost again. SB Champ. 2021 - Lost Div round to the Rams but might have won that if not for a boneheaded zero blitz defensive play to let Kupp get behind them for the walk-off FG, 2022 - Only made it to the Wildcard but Brady was 45 at that point and the team diminishing. That would be HoF worthy for anyone IMO.
That’s not a HOF career lol. Is Russ a HOFer? His career in Seattle was a lot more complete than Brady in just Tampa, same with Flacco, Eli, and Stafford up to this point, etc. Brady was crazy impressive in Tampa bc of the age, but imo needed another 2+ years and an mvp or additional Super Bowl appearance to be a HOFer in Tampa alone
5 SB, 2 different QBs, no scandal would be the new GOAT HC for me.
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Loved nicks take in this one
Adam Vinatieri had a big part in the Patriots success in the early years, especially kicking the 45 yarder in the snow and the winning kick in overtime against the Raiders!
I don’t care what they talk about, I love these guys together !
The writing was on the wall when he made Matt Patricia the offensive coordinator.
really good segment guys, respect
Wilds comment about the hall of fame career difference was totally on point
Have to give props to give props again to the energy and flow of the show to have the three male host freely interject and move around the discussion versus the standard two male host with the female topic Bridge makes this show refreshing
It’s ridiculous to not even mention that Bill did his thing all in the salary cap era. The degree of difficulty is insane when you have to deal with that cap. Look at how many great teams came and went during that time.
Also yeah he had Brady but I’d say Peyton Manning was right up there in greatness. So was Rodgers. So was Brees. They all had awesome coaches too and won far less. So I don’t think it’s fair to downplay Bill just because he had Brady.
Agreed. But the difference with Brady is that he was not only a clutch player but also one of the best relationships guys. Brady kept those teams together by building relationships to make it work, something Bill is not as great at. That skill set became even more evident when he went to the Bucs, where he basically became a part-time coach and GM, totally changing the team culture within one year. It doesn't mean Brady could have done all he did in his career without Bill, but it does show that Brady became more than just a great QB.
@@scratchpenny Brady would've been great without Bill IF he ever got the opportunity to play. Bill gave him the chance to be great. Not many coaches have the balls to hand the keys to a 7th rounder when they have a franchise QB on the roster. Especially when the team was championship-caliber. Most other great QBs go to bad teams, and 7th round QBs usually go to great teams and just waste away on the bench. Brady hit the jackpot going to a team where the coach didn't give a f*ck if you were a pro-bowler... he'd sit you or cut you. He did it to McGinest, Moss, Welker, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Welker, Moss, Vinatieri, and many others.
Brady did his thing in Tampa, but even then, the Bucs fell apart in 3 years. That's the Bill difference. The Pats had sustained excellence for 20+ years because of Bill's navigation of tough roster decisions every single year. Bill's ability to get guys on the cheap over and over and over while also replenishing lost talent is incredible.
Brady wants to be cool with pretty much all his teammates. If it had been up to Brady, no moves would've been made and their dynasty would've died like so many others, when they buckle under the weight of the salary cap. That's not Brady's fault, he's the ultimate teammate, but you can't be nice to everyone in a league that pushes for so much turnover to encourage parity.
@@THE_BEAR_JEW Fair enough. And I don't think Brady was the only essential factor. But he was undervalued by Bill in NE over the last few years. Bill still saw Brady as just a player that was getting older. But The Patriot Way doesn't really work without Brady on board. And it wasn't just because they lacked his superior QB play. Bill didn't realize how much he needed Brady to be the relationship guy/leader to keep everything together. So, if Bill was the most crucial guy at 1a, Brady was 1b.
And that's because Brady became more than just a great player later in his career. That's why he had such an immediate impact on Tampa. It's why the owner of the Bucs turned to Brady and said that he "showed them the way" right after the Super Bowl win. The owner knew that Brady brought more to the table than playing QB. If Belichick had realized this and given Brady a little more control/autonomy, Brady probably would have stayed, and Bill would still have his job.
Is there any coach that didn’t build a great career by having great athletes on their roster ? Then didn’t struggle when the great players left teams ?
The issue is that he is the one building the roster, and he has not been drafting great players. Zero players from the first three rounds of the draft have resigned with the team in a decade. If you cant draft great players, and keep them, your results will not be very good.
Andy reid
@@dbmagee21Andy Reid got Mahomes fam lmao
No that’s how sports works, and it’s such a point when people make the argument against it . “Good players and coaches win” , like yeah that’s kinda the point. They wouldn’t be considered good if they didn’t win
@@tyl8770 imo there’s other motivations to drafting players that outsiders don’t know about. Some coaches hate young players and just draft within family members or extended family friends. I wouldn’t hold that against him. His free agent signings are more of an indication of the type of player he can succeed with.
Wildes is so thoughtful in this segment. Love it.
Bill-Brady is like Phil-Michael. They make each other.
Finally - Belichick is the GOAT, but Andy Reid is knocking on the door...and has had some success without Mahomes.
Except Phil went and won almost the same amount of Rings without Michael.
@@MrCrisisZ Absolutely but if you think mac jones and Zeke are equivalent to Shaq and Kobe you should quit sports. 😂
Andy Reid is 33% of the way to Bill's legacy (really 25% because Bill actually has 8 rings). Sit down and play your iPad young buck 😂
@@soxfan252434 I’m 40, old man. I’m just cooler than you. Rings aren’t everything. See: MJ vs Bill Russell.
Yeah... Shouldn't have engaged. I regret it alot. Andy Reid is the GOAT. 2 and 8 are basically the same thing. Very good take!
Only Nick Wright can make a segment about Bill Belichick's retirement about the Chiefs.
Jumps right into trying to make a case for Andy Reid with 2 Superbowl wins being better than Belichick with 6..
You must be new to the show. Have you ever seen the QB tiers? 😂
Nick gave a great idea. 5 years from now, we need a movie about Belichick’s career..
Nick comparing Reid to BB is so asinine and typical
Brady got to choose the team he wanted after the Patriots, now Bill can also,we might see if it was Bill, Tom, or both 💯✅
I’m 24, the patriots have been great literally all my life.
I agree with wildes, Bill is the best and he'll always be the best. What he did as a coach is more than just wins and loses that we need to put in more perspective than just wether than who was more essential "him or brady"
Great points made here
God speed,Bellichick & God bless your family, Robert Kraft, & d Patriots!
All-time great show incoming
It's not 6 Super Bowls,it is 9 ,,6 wins!9 appearances in a 20 year period,he is GOAT no questions,that is almost every other year in the Bowl
24 years with the pats and 9 appearances, it's the most impressive but it's not almost every either year, it's almost every other third year
Belichiks greatest accomplishment was making the playoffs with Mac Jones. Forever the GOAT because of that.
I’m glad Wildes remembers these facts now. It would have been great if he’d reminded the audience some of these things these past 4 years as the media was busy tearing belichick and the Patriot Way down.
Wildes looking like Max Headrooom
Nick’s thinking on the fly is amazing 😂
Nicks takes were pretty fire this episode
brady was the most important part cause bill’s best player was his hardest working & the first in the building & last to leave. when you had new players they had no excuse to slack cause the oldest player & the most accomplished player is the hardest working on the team. bill could focus all on the defense cause he knew brady & mcdaniels etc could get the job done to the typical standard. bill took that situation for granted. he can’t upkeep a team cause he can’t keep a QB.. overrated?? maybe
I think Belichick might be underrated if that’s even possible cuz of how great Brady was and the fact that he found success after he left him and the Patriots. Other than that, he’s the greatest defensive mind of all time and the greatest adjustment maker of all time. He’s the GOAT
simply the best, better than all the rest
The first 11 days of 2024 have been filled with top-tier storylines and truth serum like no other. 😅😅😅😅
Bill taking Dallas back to the Super Bowl would be a movie ending to a crazy career. But as a Dallas fan, I wouldn’t want him.
God bless ❤ much love to you all
I can definitely see Belichick on the Cowboys
Every single NFL offense has elements of Bill Walsh's revolutionary offense. Belicheck may have a better resume, but Andy Reid ?! Nah IF it's not Belicheck it reverts to Walsh
Is anyone really surprised that Nick doesn't think that Andy Reid has to get to 6 SBs.
How clever!
27-21 and two playoffs in 3 seasons weren't a failure for Carrol in NE. Kraft said it was one of his regrets. Failure is not having a winning record. Failure was not making the playoffs.
I can understand this topic. I’m a panthers fan and John fox and Ron Rivera leaving….. it has never been the same those two coach brought us within one game of winning a superbowl
I agree with Kevin’s line of thinking. Together they were great ..no need to overanalyze it
Nick does such a good job on topics like these
Wildes is pure comedy 😂
What a great show!😅
Love Nick
12:18 no because all 4 of Andy’s rings will be with Pat. Bringing up the success with other QB doesn’t stick because he never won a ring with them
Im an eagles fan and I'd take Belichick sooooo fast without a second thought
I love Shannon sharpe . But honestly this is my favorite sports show at the moment
impeccable job holding it together today by the leader of the show, a true testament to wildes legacy
Nick pretending that he was close when he said a few hundred thousand is such a testament to his “New Years Resolution”
"the reason he's out is Mac Jones!" *dead* LMAO!
Can't wait for the "Palpatine has returned" memes to come out when we find out his new team.
Haha. “Somehow…Belichick returned.”
I know this about Billy B. But since Nick brought up the GOAT coach debate, if we go by Brou's criteria, it's actually Kyle Shanahan setting himself up to be the guy having the most success with unheralded QBs, and multiple QBs. He's made the Pete Carroll/Billy B decision at QB for his guy. And IF he ends up coaching another QB after Purdy, or multiple, he'll be one of the few coaches that had success across multiple non-HOF QBs
Imagine Bill teaming up with Andy Reid as a defensive coordinator 😂
The chiefs would probably win 10 super bowls....
The Hood Man might just mumble off into the sunset.
The greatest ?! The man has Zero, Zero, %1000 Zero Untainted SBs. The cowardice of the sports media is pathetic.
Andy Reid will go down as the GOAT. He's had success with multiple other QBs and now has a generational talent at the position and will probably finish his career with Mahomes. He absolutely can win 2 more rings
Nick having to bring the Chiefs into this- couldn't just leave it as a discussion about Belichick and the Patriots.
Defense and special teams & clock management
I would go to the NFC for sure. Who's the stand out qb that you have to worry about in the playoffs?........ I don't think there is one really. But in the AFC....... Mahomes, Jackson, Burrow, Allen, Stroud, Lawrence, Pickett(jk), Herbert, and maybe Rodgers.
I agree with Nick on Andy Reid but he is so transparent it's funny
Joe Gibbs is the most underrated coach ever lol 3 Super Bowl wins with 3 diff starting QB? Plus the 91 Redskins were 1st in overall offense and 1st in overall defense. He did bring us to 4.
The disrespect from the casuals to the 🐐 by using narrow logic is crazy. How could Tom who plays the most team oriented sport in the world be the only reason for the 6 super bowls? Does Tom
Even play defense or special team? He contributing to less than 50% of the game and one guy only is reason why they were successful? Look at the early superbowl wine. Brady was getting carried by the defense. He had Super Bowl games where he didn’t even throw 1 TD and had picks. Threw for less than 200 yards and beat the greatest show on turf. What about 2019 Super Bowl where he didn’t even score 1 TD and bills defense who held the hottest offense that year to 3 points. Let that sink in.
I don't need it to sink in buddy, I know you're right. Bill was basically 60-75% the reason they won those superbowls.
Casuals were also saying it was all bill using those very points for years and were proven idiots over time lol. 2 sides of the same coin