New pricing from B&H Photo for the holidays: an EOS R with accessories for $1499 or with a lens for a little over $2000: bhpho.to/2GzxnFn. That's up to $1000 off, making the EOS R very attractive for that price. That's cheaper than I bought it for!!
Yes...quite a bargain Dustin. And other items are often bundled with the camera and lens. The FF mirror less market is extremely competitive...and given the competition in mirror less in other sensor configurations, one might be able to purchase the Eos R AND the Fuji XT3 for just a bit more than the Eos R and kit lens alone about a year ago.
I hear you on that point. I just received an offer for an additional 200 off, bringing the cost to 1299. I have been on the Sony ship for a while now but the price is so cheap, that I think I’m going to buy another canon. Maybe in the future all cameras will be free as a means of selling 2k-3k lenses to the consumer.
B&H sent me a $200 off (up to) offer and no sales tax when paid with PayBoo. Wife says go for it .., bless her heart, but I'm still on the fence. Currently have a 7Dm2 and 6Dm2 and the R would probable replace the 6Dm2. We travel a lot and I would really miss the having the GPS. Have until the 18th to take advantage of B&H's offer.
William Maxey I’ve used both the 6d MII & EOS R for travel & I’d go with the R for space savings (if you are ready to jump into the RF glass). Plus, it’s a better camera for stills & video
Using Canon eos r for half a year now. And my favourite feature is a manual focus assistance. It is not only very precise and reliable and joy to use, but it is also a manual replication of "eye af", when eye is being tracked and by rotating simply a focus ring on a lens eye gets perfectly in focus. That was the reason I pulled the trigger and add plenty of Zeiss and voigtlander glass to my kit.
As a 6D mark II shooter I am really interested in the EOS R for these main reasons: image quality, no focus calibration, better AF, eye AF. The downsides that stop me are: battery life, no R mount tele lenses (I need a native 100-400 or a third party R mount 150-600, I'm hoping it comes out in the next years), lower fps than what I have now. I am seriously considering it though, I like my 6D2 very much and it's giving me anything I need both in landscapes and wildlife. The struggle with AF calibration is a pain though, especially since I use mostly third party lenses that sometime can be not as perfect as first party ones. I don't know, I will try to try it out with my lenses adapted to see if I enjoy it but may just be better to wait for the next iteration of the camera
@@rumtreibbaer That's the boat I think I'm in. The current $1300 EOS R sale is very tempting, but I almost exclusively shoot action, and I mainly do so with Sigma telephotos. I feel like the EVF issues and slower frame rate will bother me with this sort of shooting, and it will be a long time before I'm buying $1k RF telephotos that are decent. The 6Dii isn't a bad camera at all, so it probably makes sense to just wait for a new generation where all the compromises have been eliminated and it is just a complete step up. Now, if I were shooting portraits/landscape/etc or cared more about the first frame than the next 10 then the EOS R would be a better camera all around.
I got my EOS 6D right when the EOS R came out, I'm really happy with my 6D, but I am super jealous of the eye autofocus for portraits, and the low light performance of the EOS R is just jaw dropping at higher ISO. Only thing that holds me back is the fact that I do quite a bit of sports photography, so that's pretty much a deal breaker. I really don't want to sink the money into a 5D Mk IV only to watch them drop a Professional EOS R variant a couple of months later.
Read somewhere that R mark ii is going to be announced around May, 2020. It's pretty clear that the R ii is going to be better than 5D IV in almost every aspect. I mean if you bump up the fps little bit, add a 2nd slot and a joystick to the current R, it's already better than 5D IV. In addition to that better ergonomics, better autofocus, better weather sealing, better evf and new sensor gonna make the R ii a force to reckon with. IBIS is also a possibility.
Nothing to be jealous about. The R is maybe 1/2 stop cleaner than the 6D, which isn't noticeable in actual use. www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=canon_eos6d&attr13_1=canon_eosr&attr13_2=nikon_d750&attr13_3=sony_a7iii&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=6400&attr16_1=6400&attr16_2=6400&attr16_3=6400&attr171_1=1&normalization=compare&widget=1&x=0.148660594632093&y=-0.9975273897294425
Great to see you using the EOS R. As a R shooter myself and a fan of your reviews, I'm looking forward to seeing what seeing what accessories and lenses you try out.
I appreciate the fact that you made a new video to address the improvements that Canon has made to the camera. Most reviewers have not done that. I found this update very helpful.
Greetings from Croatia! I had 5d mark2 eight years, and upgrade to Eos R. I was blown away. That was the right choice for me, love it, amazing camera. Beautiful review, thanks!
I have a 5D2 in 2020 and considering the R as well. Also considering the R5 that comes out this month. I think either way I’m going to have my world turned upside down lol
Got my R three weeks ago and I'm obsessed with it. Upgraded from the 80D and it has been such a huge difference for me. The workflow with the R just feels amazing. I'll also be investing more into that RF glass. Canon is taking their mirrorless world serious so I'm not worried.
I’ve had my EOS R since it came out last year and with the updates I agree, it’s a lot of camera for the $$. I’ve also made the switch to all RF glass (ouch). But it’s been worth it. Great glass.
I moved from APS-C to the R and damn that extra low light and bokeh is super nice! I am now missing a wide angle though, the 15-35 is amazing, it would be a killer for basically all of my uses for a wide angle lens. I am also waiting for a more budget friendly portrait lens on the 85mm range :)
Hi Dustin. I am glad u have it, can't wait for your reviews of rf glass👍 Since you have controlled ring adapter (as I do) i wanted to share with you and others my favourite way of shooting indoors with it- Camera in Manual mode with auto iso set and control ring set to exposure compensation(which effectively will be altering auto iso) - only some cameras gives you this possibility but thankfully Eos R does. Lets say you have 85mm lens - so we set 160 shutter speed(according to double the focal lenght rule - would not be comfortable shutting slower than this due to lack of is or ibis) and then set the desired aperture, and camera will set "appropriate" iso that most of the times will get you in the ballpark. Then I just turn control ring to finetune exposure either darker or brighter with peace of mind that my other settings - shutter speed and aperture stays the same. I love to shoot events/weddings like this. Its quick thanks to auto iso that always gets me in the ballpark in fast changing shooting environment and removes thinking ;-) about the settings as you end up just adjusting - darker/brighter with control ring. You also end up with the best possible quality image for the scene as iso will always be the lowest to achieve desired image as the other settings - shutter speed and F are already "maxed out". Shooting like this i have 90% keepers, I am quicker, not missing ibis as much as I set minimum comfortable shutter speed and can focus on pictures/moments more. I am not discovering anything new here ;) but not many people shoot this way and know about possibility of setting auto iso under M mode - and this feauture is awesome. Regards.
Hello. Great way to use a camera. I use the same setup with my a7ii. Difference is I use the dedicated control for exposure compensation instead of being on the lens, which would be incredible. As I think that most actions can be taken with 1/80th or 1/100th of a second, I would definitely say ibis is an incredible advantage. Just shot my cat with a manual Samyang 135 f2 at 1/60th just with aquarium light at night. Perfect sharp. Thanks for sharing.
I upgraded from my 80D to the R in May and have very much enjoyed. I'm sure glad I can use all of my EF, and 3rd party, lenses, since RF is too rich for my blood at this point in time (Except for the 35mm, but, in my view, I have better options than the RF at this point in time.).
Love your videos Dustin. When I'm about to purchase gear I find myself at your channel often. For me, your reviews ring true. Very consistent. Purchased the R5 last night. Thanks to you, I'm going into it aware of the pluses and minuses. Keep up the good work.
Welcome back to Canon, Dustin. As I keep telling everyone: Do you really think the 28-70 f/2L, 50mm f/1.2L, 85mm f/1.2L and fabulous f/2.8 trio was really designed for the EOS R and EOS RP? Some good things to come with this camera system and its ability to adapt EF lenses so incredibly well make it a no-brainier for Canon photographers and those looking for a camera that really works well. I just wish they could have matched the performance of the new M6 Mark II...that camera is a wicked little speed demon and makes the EOS R look like a really lethargic camera.
Well, to be fair, I didn't really leave Canon (I've owned a 5D Mark IV and 80D all along), but I do agree that Canon has more pro-grade R cameras coming.
@michael p "five-year plan" makes sense yet so many people are switching camera systems these days like other people change their socks. It's actually almost unbelievable. You can almost set your calendar to when the next wave of "I switched!!!" comments as one manufacturer leapfrogs another.
Thanks for this, Dustin. After so many years avoiding Canon due to the ‘bad reputation’ of them crippling their cameras and that they were so slow going into mirrorless, I just bought into the EOS R system. First it was the set with the RF24-105 kit lens. Then added the RF35 a week after and shortly after the RF15-35. The entire system is amazingly user friendly, the lenses are spectacular, and the fully articulating screen is perfect for what I want to do with my photography. So exciting is this system to me, that I’m giving my Leica SL with M-lenses a bit of a rest; and contemplating some changes to that set-up in favor of Canon. The lack of dual card slots on the R do not concern me much as I’m just a hobbyist. The only minor annoyance is the lack of built-in intervalometer. Was not a deal breaker. I also bought the BR-E1 remote, which for my use is essential and works really well. I’m looking forward to what Canon does with future body upgrades. Although as it stands, the R is sufficient for what I need in the next few years. Didn’t think I would say this after >15 years with the hobby but, good job, Canon! Don’t let your guard down though. Sony is closing in on you for full frame camera market dominance. (And I used to own the Sony A7III too, still a great camera, but the R fits my needs better.)
Glad to hear, Dustin, that you will be reviewing more RF lenses. I did watch your original review of the R last year, and I agreed with many of the points. But I was so eager to start using the great primes that I did purchase an R, and it has turned out to be an amazing portrait camera. I've been able to customize it to have everything available with just a press or two through the EVF, including, finally, flash exposure-compensation (using the DOWN directional button to bring up the flash menu, then one more press and the FEC number-line pops up). Clearly this is not a jack-of-all-trades pro body, but it outdoes the 5DIV for portraits by a significant margin--because of its precise AF and real-time exposure feedback. There is no way to get around the cropped 4k video. It's a significant compromise, no doubt, for videographers, and Canon must move beyond it in the next R body. As for this "second look" review, it does seem that you are telling us the only reason you have bought it is so you can review lenses. Fair enough, but sort of anti-climatic after sitting through a summary of last year's videos. But that's ok! Your lens reviews are some of the best anywhere, and many photographers trust your insights. Happy holidays!
Deep pockets is an understatement my friend. That RF platform I’m betting will completely change what 35mm sensor resolution can really capture. I will jump into the RF pool at some point but not selling my EF L lenses anytime soon.
I have adapted all of my Canon EF lenses and compatible third party lenses via the EOS-R control ring with some wonderful results and I think this is one of the strengths of this camera,..... great backward compatibility.
I too bought one after the firmware updates. Loved the ring adapter right away, and then bought the cheapest RFlens (35 f1.8) which really impressed me. Within a week i traded in my MD5 Mk4 to wards the RF 70-200 (do please review). Haven't had this much fun in ages. Already lusting after that 15-35, but sure would be nice to have some cheaper lens options as well.
I went after the firmware update to Canon (Eos R) from Sony (a7riii), and after two years I am really happy that I am back I have more the feeling to be more creative and work with a far more nicer tool with Canon!
Dustin Abbott Flippy screen, better ergonomics, better lcd, better viewfinder, curtain safety, future proof mount, love Canon glass, c-log, better weather sealing, better colours, Canon gives more dept and smoothness I find Sony more digital sharp what I don’t like. Overall it’s a way better tool for me and it makes fun to work with it!
As a Sony user, even I’m considering the EOS R because of the RF glass, new price drop, and updated AF. But the single card and slower FPS for action are still issues for me. Maybe the next EOS R body will be the one for me, meanwhile the RF lineout will get more filled out with more variety and potentially affordable options. That being said, Sony A7iii and A7Riii is getting the job done fine. Can pretty much shoot anything in any situation with no real shortcomings.
As a recently switched from Canon to Sony, I mostly agree - though I am finding it a PITA having to work extra to dial out those green / yellowish skin tones...just need more time to build a preset that can auto fix at 80% of the times
Canon EOS Rm2 rumors floating around that they're already testing it, specs may come soon, and pretty sure IBIS and dual card slot are already coming. I'm highly motivated to purchase the R now for the new low price and upgrade when the next one comes, hopefully fixing the shortcomings of the first one. May as well start building my lens collection now:) I've been thinking about the A7III for a while and despite the great features I still find it missing something that really makes me wanna use it and keeps me as happy as a Canon. Canon got some kinda special sauce in their user experience, just gotta catch up a bit on the features now that they're pressured, same as Apple is doing right now.
I just did the same after formative years with Canon, they fully converted to Sony full frames. Finally broke down last week and picked up the EOS R with the RF 24-70 f.2.8. What a pleasant surprise! It's so nice to have Canon color and I'm really excited for the RF line!
Dustin, thanks so much for this great video! The firmware update seems like a tie-breaker! And those RF lenses ~ Wow! I love the snow in your video! As a Northern Minnesotan, I see that weekly these days! Happy Holidays :)!
Thanks. Ironically I've gotten some people sagely telling me that the snow "I added in post looks fake". I suspect it's probably because they are from a place where they aren't too familiar with what real snow looks like!
thank you for doing a follow up review. I also was very happy to say goodbye to AFMA and focus recompose. The body price that's sub-$2000 for a 5DIV sensor is a great deal. The autofocus on the R almost feels like cheating coming from a dslr. The slow burst rate in AF priority low continuous does bother me a little but for the moment I'll take the near 100% hit rate. Any good use for the touch bar? I wish they opened up a few more options for the touch bar like how you can customize other buttons.
Slightly off topic, but I got my Canon RP 2weeks ago and I am very happy to switch from FF dslr to mirrorless system because of the reasons you mentioned. And having some nice ef lenses the change was harmless. 🙂
@@DustinAbbottTWI true! Once I used to say I'd never go mirrorless, but when I did it I cannot imagine I could shift back. Thx Dustin for poweful reviews and letting me look inside many cameras/lenses etc ✌
Yeah, I bought an EOS RP as a backup/travel body, but as I used it I quickly fell in love with the ergonimics and the weight. Aaand now I've sold my 5D IV and got me a R too 🙈 I never would have thought this to happen...
@@1WorldAroundYou Most of the differences have to do with size, the RP is lighter (about 200g), the R is easier for me to use touch and drag for the focus points (R I have lower right quadrant to keep my fat nose from changing focus points when using my left eye, with the RP my nose is in the lower right quadrant and I need a conscious effort not to touch or use my right eye). Outside of that I'd say the R has slightly better dynamic range. The upper LCD is a non-issue for me as I have the screen flipped all the time for the focus point feature. The differentiation in the focus system that was present between 6D and 5D is not present here anymore either. IMO, if you want best picture quality and/or have larger body features -> R. If the camera should be as light and small as possible -> RP.
With my 6 D Mark II I shoot mostly landscape photography using a tripod and manual focusing with live view on the rear display screen which performs like a mirrorless camera. I'm so spoiled with the rear display screen that I don't enjoy using the viewfinder while hand holding the camera anymore. I really want to switch to the EOS R but the battery life of the 6D Mark II is absolutely amazing! How does the EOS R battery life compare?
Thank you Dustin...I always enjoy your unbiased views and educational presentations. A hobbyist, I almost pulled the trigger on the EOS R (based on price, performance and Canon firmware updates), but decided to await the EOS Rs releasing Feb. I'd like to see dual card slots (CF Express) and IBIS (performance similar to Olympus or Panasonic). Seasons Greetings!
Regarding ibis, I can tell you it will be extremely difficult to achieve the oly grounds, as the sensor is a lot smaller and the housing is not much different than ff sensors. It's impossible to rotate that much the sensor without increasing the size of the housing. My Sony a850 ff dslr has a better ibis than a7ii (by at least 2 stops) and I would say at least better by 0.5 stops compare with a7r4. So Sony knows how to do it right (they were the first ones), just doesn't have the space, and I imagine Canon and nikon will have similar difficulties. Best regards
@@DustinAbbottTWI True, but I'm betting Canon's next R iteration will include dual CF Express and perhaps IBIS. I hope they don't bog it down with a mega sensor.
The one of the very few guys, who is a pleasure to watch. Well done, Dustin. Do you remember what I told you about the EOS-R + RF50? ;) Glad you like it. Get your hands on the RF85. It is even better with its BR glass. The EF-RF adapter with the VND is a no-brainer for any OCF photographer - it makes a huge difference keeping you within the "normal" sync speed and being behind the lens, it is color casts free right up to the 9th stop. This reason alone is more than enough for flash and portrait photographers to get it without a 2nd thought. Not sure why you didn't mention this. I don't care much about Sony even if it can make pancakes for breakfast when I don't have even one lens (except the 24-70GM) which renders beautifully and has soul and art in it. Lenses is what matters, not the body. This is where decades of making great lenses and camera bodies comes into play. Canon have set the bar so high with the RF mount, right up there to Leica top primes, that it is super-hard for others to catch and totally impossible for Sony - too pity for them, considering the fact they own Minolta... I'm sure they will finally nail it with A7RXVIV... The focusing with aperture stopped down with their top-tier primes was driving me completely nuts. Never saw a dumber decision that this one, even my 30 y old SLR is opening up the aperture for focusing... khhh... Keep up the good work.
I didn't talk about the Variable ND drop in filter because I haven't used it and don't know firsthand that color casts are well controlled. I'm not sure that I agree about lenses without beautiful rendering on Sony. I've got at least 4 in my kit that I love.
@@DustinAbbottTWI, I feel you - beautiful rendering is highly subjective and is a matter of a personal perception. However, I'm curious to know what are these 4 that you mentioned. One of the things that shows how strong a certain brand is, is the lens system and especially great 35, 50 and 85mm fast primes, which are the most used ones.They still struggle to get a decent 35/1.4, or 1.2 lens - the Sony-Zeiss is an adapted, retro-focus lens, which is far from being great. The 50mm is totally lacking a decent one... 85 mil. discipline is a bit better, but very far from what Canon have packed into RF85, not to mention about Leica APO 90mm. Their 70-200GM is even worse than Canon EF70-200/2.8L IS II or III in terms of performance. I struggled to find a lens that I really like (Their Planar 50/1.4 could be one, but stopped down past f2)... Cheers.
I really like the Sony Zeiss Planar 50mm F1.4, the Voigtlander APO-Lanthar 65mm F2, the Samyang AF 85mm F1.4, and I also love the little Samyang AF 45mm F1.8. The 135mm F1.8 GM is also special.
@@DustinAbbottTWI, my point was for OEM (system native) lenses and not 3rd party. I could agree for the Planar 50/1.4, although it is not up to the optical performance of the RF50/1.2, it still has some soul in it. I absolutely dislike the swirly defocus character of the 135GM - it reminds me of some cheap, Russian lenses from the 80s for $20. You see, that was my point - you're getting a Sony body and start to scratch the head what lens to put on it and reaching for some MF Voigts, Sigma, Samyang, etc... Not that these are bad, but OEM lenses will always be the best choice. Sony has to focus strongly on the quality lenses instead of dropping body after body. I'm also concerned about their narrow mount, which is a huge limitation in front of designing some really great lenses. I bet the future belongs to the RF & L-mounts. Cheers.
Thanks for your well thought out and informative videos. BTW what is happening with the shrubs at 06:40 to 06:50? I thought it was the 480p but the shrubs disappear even in 1080p
I'm not quite sure what you are seeing. I don't see it, myself. It would be either an atmospheric effect from the snow or a momentary focus glitch if there actually is something.
Hi Dustin, I have one problem with this camera (besides no dual card slot). Problem is when the flash is on (600ex rt) no matter the setting (ETTL or manual at 1/128) camera drive mode is approx 3 FPS even with AF turned off. The moment flash is turned off drive speed is approx 8 FPS. This is a really big deal for me as a wedding photographer. Did you experienece the same problem or perhaps found a workarond? Thanks!
The EOS R has serious weaknesses when it comes to burst rate. That 8FPS drops to 5FPS if you want full time tracking. I've not done enough flash work where I want any kind of burst on the EOS R to have encountered what you described.
I as well jumped on board a few weeks ago. I would like to ask where do you get those drop in filters? Or is that the canon filter adapter an how that works. Thanks for the video and look forward to seeing others.
Dustin Abbott would be nice to see those drop in filters compare to the Freewell variable filters! There is only content with only the drop in filters without any comparison.
Dustin, have you used the EOS R with Tamron newest lens? My kit consists of mainly those lens and not knowing how the camera works with them is my only hesitation in getting it.
Absolutely. As long as a person has realistic expectations about what they will and won't get from the EOS R, it is actually a very satisfying camera to use and feels great in the hands.
Thanks as always for your videos, Dustin. I’ll chime in and say I’ve had an A7III for a year now and shoot landscapes with my Canon lenses via the MC-11 adapter. Coming from an older 6D, the dynamic range is pretty insane and what keeps me attached to it but if it wasn’t for that and I could still have the same file flexibility I’d gladly go for the EOS R. I know one stop difference isn’t huge but it’s nice to have if you’re lifting details from dark files frequently and it’s nice to be able to avoid the noise banding as well. Being able to get the most out of my Canon lenses would also be nice though, as video is very limited with them adapted to the Sony and I’m sure even just for stills they’d be much snappier on a proper Canon mount.
The EF lenses definitely perform better on the EOS R, but yes, Sony has still got the dynamic range edge. Here's hoping that Canon ups their game in the 2nd gen R bodies.
@@DustinAbbottTWI I have a canon 6d. It's a great camera in so many ways but one cross type AF point has killed so many shallow depth of field portraits. As you say, rule of thirds composition just compounds this problem. My hit rate is OK but I'm just a hobiest. When taking photos of family I don't want to have the camera in my hand all of the time. If I see a lovely moment I just want to nab it and put the camera back in my bag. Thanks again for all your great work. Props for doing this one in the snow.
Hi Dustin, Thank you for your trustworthy reviews and comments. I watched your video yesterday and I bought the EOS R today with the regular EF to R adapter and think I need some time to get used to it. Coming from a 5D MK 3 I miss the joystick and the option to go low as ISO50 and hate the sensor bar since day one when I had the chance to try it out at the on the first day at the Photokina in 2018. I think it will grow on me over time but I don't think I am going to sell my old releiable 5D MK3 workhorse. Still love it a lot. Prices in Germany usually are higher than in other markets so it was 2500 Euros when it came out, dropped to 2300 a couple of weeks ago, down another 100 Euros last week and with the Cashback and turn in an old camera option the price with my local dealer was as low as 1799 Euros inc. 19% consumer tax as of December 10th 2019. This plus the updated firmware to 1.6 including the now amazing eye auto focus I could not resist. It's asteal for that price.
Hi Dustin, again excellent review and many thanks! I too prefer the adapter with the control ring over the standard adapter for the same reasons. I’m happy with my Canon RP and the additional grip accessory. Best wishes and have a nice day! Ralf
Hi Dustin, long time fan. I got a quick question please. Does firmware 1.6 includes the information contained in firmware 1.4, or do I have to update my camera one firmware at the time?
Great video!! Currently, I own a 6D Mark II and I mainly use it to shoot my 2-year-old daughter. I find the AI SERVO sometimes don't get a good result even I always use the center autofocus point. I wonder if I switch to EOS R with eye focus tracking, can I get a better success rate compared to my 6D2? Thanks.
Hi Dustin and thanks for this video, Canon are really killing it with the RF lenses, and it's only the beginning :-) I was thinking of purchasing a RP as a backup/holiday camera to go aside my 5D4, But i'm concerned about the lower resolution EVF and Back screen, did you have a chance to compare it to the Eos R? cheers
Dustin , I thought I'll ask you this question as you seem more non biased then most channels . A very popular channel that a couple hosts made the statement that duel pixel AF is to slow for fast moving subjects . This seems to be not a correct statement as there is a difference between AF acquisition or lock time and actual subject tracking . The two issues are separate I would think . Do you think it's the actual focus technology of duel pixel that makes it not appropriate for fast moving subjects or rather the slow processor that makes it to slow for subject tracking ?
I don't think they've got that right. The new M6 MK II does 14FPS with DPAF. On the EOS R, I think it is processor and architecture related. We'll see a more sports-oriented model, and I'm sure it will utilize some form of DPAF.
@@DustinAbbottTWI yes it was in relation to a early overview of the new 1dx vs a9 , and dual pixel came in into question . So much misinterpretation out there on youtube thanks for your response
Dustin: Have you ever had the need to use the Canon Raw developing program? There is a dual pixel setting that might increase detail, but such can only be used via the Canon Raw converter.
I sold my beloved 6D mark 1 and upgraded to Canon EOS R few weeks ago. I love the result I am getting and I also love the constant update. I have a question Mr.abbott. I enjoy using the Eye focus feature. Does it make sense to buy Rokikon/Samyang 85mm F1.2 with EOS R? It is only 800 CAD at the moment and I really wanted to try Rokinon 85mm F1.2 lens but I am afraid that I am making a mistake.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you so much for the quick response Mr.abbott. I think I am going to buy the lens and try it with my EOS R. Looking forward to see the beautiful rendering.
@@DustinAbbottTWI I received Rokinon 85mm F1.2 few days ago and I am very happy with the result I am getting. Manual Focus Assistance and the Focus Peaking helps a lot. I was blown away when Eye Detection still worked woth Manual Focus lens. One thing is though, this lens is heavy. I thought my Tamron 24 70 G2 was heavy...wow. I think I need to go to gym and work out haha.
Thanks Dustin. You and the others here are certainly well versed in the use of this camera. Consequently, might I ask if you make use of the Pixel Shift feature.
Here's hoping the Canon Canada will be able to supply me loaners with more consistency in 2020. They did get me the RF 50L for review, and I'm grateful for that!
Extremely on point talk, couldn't agree more. I moved from Canon to Sony about a year ago, no regrets but sincerely hoping Canon produces a real camera for it's users in mirrorless requiring pro level bodies. I could see myself going back into using Canon if they had all the lenses and better bodies but I do wonder when that time comes what will Sony be rolling out? I wouldn't be surprised if Canon is always years behind the next great technology. I do think all users can thank Sony for bringing viable mirrorless cameras to the forefront, without them I'm not sure any of the makers would be putting any energy into this. Once you use mirrorless it would be very hard to go back as you know.
I'm not sure it's quite as doomsday as that, but Sony did leave the door a little bit open with the a7RIV. It's a great camera, but not necessarily a home run like the a7RIII was (at least in terms of feedback from my audience). Canon definitely needs a knockout in the next round.
@@DustinAbbottTWI totally agree, I think the A7RIV missed the mark a bit. I own the A7R3 and love that camera but with there was a new version with the improved AF of the R4. I find myself shooting in high iso situations so frequently the hit in noise makes that camera not appeal to me. I think in part they wanted that camera to be the megapixel king but in reality as photographers we would have found a lower megapixels version with other improvements of more value. Thanks for the reply, love your reviews and channel.
I badly need ur suggestion i have bought canon 200 D mark II and now i meed macro ring light otherthan canon so which company would be mountable on it?
I have just bought the canon eos r camera and have watched your review. You did not mention the focus tweaking and I would be interested in your comments.
Hey, can i drop in a question that was burning in the back of my head... i bought a 77D beginning of this year ... and i got (back) into capturing some photons. So i was thinking about upgrading to a Fullframe... and now when i finally sort of convinced myself that a EOS R might even be good for me with adapter-fiddling (i cant really afford those fancy RF lenses AND a new body) for my EF lenses (i bought EF as i was already sure to upgrade to fullframe later down the line soon after i got back into that photone catching hobby again). But now.. i heard about EOS R.. MKii ... whats your take on it if one can wait. How much of a deal is the lack of IBIS? As the rumors go the mk 2 might have ibis.. but... if it costs a liver and a half on release i would have to wait at least a year minimum.... should i wait? I have shaky hands... thus i rely a bit to IS more than others (i know people that can shoot my sigma 150-600mm hand held at 600...) Listening to you, having IBIS (with or without a lense with IS) sounds like a VERY helpfull (and hence miss'd) feature on the R? So... lets assume the Mark II would cost 3k or above... is it worth it? Or is the lack of IBIS on the R... well ... a negative point on the spec list but not so dramatic assuming the Mark II could cost easily double ? (knowing that Canon is into the mortgage busines with their pricing)
Hi there, unfortunately you are asking me questions that are impossible to answer. I don't know whether such a camera will have IBIS, when it will come, or what it is will cost. It's hard to predict the future. If you aren't in a rush, though, you might as well wait a few months and see what happens.
Hey, Thank you for taking your time to answer my question :-) I apprechiate that! I know you cant tell me the future, and i didnt try to force an answer in that regard... even i wish to know the future :-D I was more pointing at the lack of IBIS, is it really that hurting, or could you say for the current price (1800$ for the body + adapter here) its... "fine"? My "issue" is that i have shaky hands, more than others and im not even old... so whenever i hear someone saying "get a fast lense with f1.8 or f2 and you be fine" i have to sigh a little, that only really solves it in perfect situations. On another note, how was your expirience with Adapter juggling? (Assuming you used old EF lenses on it as the RF are apparently very good, but cost a small fotrtune)
@@DustinAbbottTWI thank you for the fast reply dustin, im thinking about getting this camera or waiting for the new r5, i only shoot portrait. The r5 will probably cost almost 2k more by now..what do you think?
I'm not sure that it is a matter of forgetting about you but rather that the type of camera you need requires the most development work. You need the performance model...and a much greater number needs the "Honda Accord" that the EOS R is.
@@DustinAbbottTWI i understand your point of view but if you ever come to texas or live in our state you will find that big trucks rule and the majority of car lots have trucks over ruling cars where ever you go in this state. texas is second largest truck seller in world.
lol; sorry but us texans are little different than the rest of the country; but hence why ford , dodge , chevy love making trucks for texas. so why cant nikon , canon and sony make for rest of us. like i said i understand your point to degree but still believe they are hurting themselves;. just my thoughts;
@@noyesphotography1979 I suspect that it is just hard to deliver. I mean, none of the manufacturers have really delivered a spectacular mirrorless body for sports, which suggests it is just pushing the envelope. Maybe if they dropped the sensor resolution their processors could handle the pixels in realtime and make them more responsive with a higher framerate, but of course people focus on the megapixels, and then chances are you could still do better with a DSLR that doesn't have to drop resolution. While more fps would be nice I'm not a pro, so I don't need 14fps/etc. However, 6fps with an EVF that shows me what the lens is pointing at and not what the lens was pointed at 200ms ago would be a good start. Sony seems to be better but it makes me nervous that they still can't focus with an open aperture when shooting continuous. Maybe the next generation of mirrorless will make me want to switch over. It seems like they're better in every way as far as taking the FIRST shot goes, but after that they struggle.
I have been searching for an answer and maybe you could provide one. I have all my L glass which is the reluctance to switch to R, however the adapter gives me some hope. My question is, how does the increase in focal length affect performance? I am a landscape and nightscape shooter and I prefer pinpoint to the edges. Thanks for the great content as always! Also, The Canon rumors board is buzzing with goodies for my needs all of a sudden. Do I wait? Hmmmm....lol
The adapter does not change either the focal length or the lens performance. You will probably actually get better performance out of many of your L series lenses due to having more accurate focus. As for what's coming - it sounds like the R5 will be fantastic. I suspect it will also be priced to match.
Everyone started to make Eos R is good camera buy it campaign , it feels like they are going to release eos r mark 2 on june an try to sell the stocks ....
I'm thinking that the EOS R would be a good upgrade from my 5D mk2, for when I'm shooting dimly lit indoor sports with my EF glass. What do you think of the touch bar on the back? It seems like something that everyone complained about when the camera was new, and I suppose the control ring adapter does something to move controls to the front of the camera.
Hi Dustin, I like your reviews. The only thing keeping me in doubt whether to buy this camera or not, is the burst. My question is: if you had to shoot vintage car parades (moving subjects, but not so fast as real race cars), would you trust Eos R? Are 5 fps real, with AI servo enabled? Or do they drop to 2/3 fps? Thanks a lot.
Well debate no more, I just snagged one - currently on Sale for $1499 with a free Godox / V1 Flash......and since I had sold all my Canon glass when I switched to Sony, also picked up the RF 24-105 - a very Merry Christmas 🤗
I think it's important to note that the 1.7 crop is only when shooting 4k, which even though it looks amazing... most people aren't shooting in. SO it may not be as big of an issue if you're a 1080p shooter.
Thinking about this camera and buying it, heard a few reviewers say still image quality isnt that great, just ok. Dustin whats your take on that if i may ask ?
I don't really think image quality was the problem with the EOS R. I've taken some amazing pictures with it, and with the same sensor in the 5D Mark IV before it.
Great review as always, Dustin. What are your thoughts on the new rumored Canon mirrorless and it's ability to take both RF and EF lenses without an adaptor? Is that possible?
The RF Glass is where its at with the EOS R. I jumped out the window and got the RF15-35mm. Beautiful images and I shoot 4k video with it, gets around the crop easily with no issues
As a former Nikon Dslr Shooter I intended to switch to Sony. Eos R was not on my radar, then occasionally I looked into the lense roadmap, and I was blown away. Now after two month I can say : I never had a cam where autofokus worked in near darkness, I love that 50 mm 1.2 , I love the Color, I like the Body, and a lot of other stuff; Its a solid cam if you are not in the group of sport/action shooters and it gives access to the unique lense ensemble, well done canon.
Dustin, i recently purchased one, now i'm really confused on which lens to buy. I'm between the RF 24-105 4L and the Tamron 24-70 2.8 G2. Which one you would suggest? Thanks
Hello Dustin! Thank you for this great review! I've only recently discovered you while researching for info on the eos r. I'm a long time canon user finally needing to upgrade my mk 3. I am, of course, in a great debate between the eos r and the mk 4!! I was almost sold on the r, when I started reading about evf lag due to the electronic viewfinder, and how it can make it difficult to capture moving subjects. As I am mainly a family photographer shooting little kids running around, this is concerning to me, BUT I am having a hard time finding any information about it, or finding any family photographers who use the eos r. Would you be able to address this? Is it something you've noticed? I'm also curious how the touchscreen holds up in the snow or light rain. Thank you for any insight!
That's actually an area that's been improved (lag). I have both the Mark IV and the EOS R, and I reach for the EOS R almost exclusively for general purpose shooting. The improved autofocus will allow you to get much more keepers with your little kids.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you for your reply! I'm happy to hear that! I picked one up a few days ago, just waiting for it to arrive. Very excited to try it out!
Big teles will be nice, though I hope Canon first tackles something like a native 100-400. If they could make it more compact (as they've done with the 70-200), that could be huge.
Cool sharing ...i am using RP..but , i would like to try R by myselt (since too many critics over this 1.5 years )and the price is adjusted too, since r5 is coming out ,right? ...should i buy that R now and try? Or just wait wait ? (But i know,r5/r6 definitely will be more and more expensive)....
I rented the Sony A7R4 after having been drawn to Sony for years now. Their auto-focus system is unbeatable atm and the image quality is stunning, but I can't live with the sensor dust it seem to gather more than any other camera I've tried. A buddy of mine raves about this camera all the time. In your Canon guys experience: Is this camera truly better sealed than Sony's?
I'm not sure about internal seals, but what the EOS R has that Sony doesn't is a curtain that comes to cover the sensor whenever the camera is powered off. This helps immensely to keep dust off the sensor when changing lenses.
@@DustinAbbottTWI isn't that "curtain" just the shutter? That said, why don't other companies program their mirrorless cameras to close the shutter when turned off? Will they in the future? It seems simple enough. I've never had sensor dust ever on my DSLRs.
@@DustinAbbottTWI So any specks of dust that land on this protective mechanism go where when it suddenly actuates for a single frame or a burst of shots?
If you care about the crop, you should get the Metabones adapter and use it with your EF glass. It has the control ring on it as well I believe (I always need the reach so I don't need it). It greatly reduces the crop. I really like the video quality over the competition considering the codecs, bitrate, and workflow (especially with the Ninja V). It turns out as high quality as my GH5s in a way faster workflow, which both run crop-circles around my Sony in every workflow category possible without the jank of the super low Sony bitrate.
My primary stills body is the 5dsr. I love the crunchy super sharp look for stills, but for video I like a more smooth cinematic look. I’m not sure that I like that crip of an image in video. I like a more filmic or cinematic look. You do have a good point that it’s good to have that crispness for those times when you need it.
Can someone here tell me their experience with using the EOS R for birds photogrpahy(I generally dont do birds in flight but only stationary subjects). Do you think the 5 frames is enough for stationary birds or animals
Hey Dustin , at what temperatures did you shoot this video ? My retail customers are always asking me about real-world max cold temp recommendations. Thanks for all your videos over the years !
Sony a9 + Sony FE 35mm F1.8 lens. I'm using the Genaray Contender LED spot to front light me to compensate for the backlight. P.S. That info is always at the end of my videos.
Merry Christmas to me . . . Merry Christmas to me! Just kidding. Thanks for the advice. I've been debating which full frame way to turn after selling all my Fujifilm gear. I loved the SOOC jpegs from the XT2 and XT3 but hated dealing with the RAF raw images they produced in post.
Many times while owning the D750, I could simply import its raw NEF files and then click on auto correct within OS-X Photos and end up with results superior to those from the XT2 or XT3 I spent way more time trying to tweak RAF files using first Capture One, and then LR6, and then finally OS-X Photos.
It was a love hate with Fujifilm. The rafs were tough to deal with no matter what program I used. Could never get the actual reds and blues accurately of cars I take pics of. Sold the xt3. Bought the A7III and use Capture one. Colors are now spot on. My Eos R is great too with colors. Skin tones is where it shines. Fuji is great for jpeg shooters. If the prices of the RF lenses drop, I may buy more and sell my A7III. I hope the next R model is improved.
@@ryanb8736 Thanks. In my heart I know the that Canon's RF lenses are amongst the best available anywhere optically, but find their prices a bit overwhelming for someone like me, living on Social Security to justify.
Would be great if you are able to review the Metabones EF - RF Speedbooster released recently specifically to reduce the 4k crop on the R/RP bodies. Though pricey for something only designed to remove the 4k crop in video.
I've had the EOS R for 3 days now and can say that I really, really love it. I used it to shoot our church's Christmas program and every image was well exposed and tack sharp. I can usually count on 10 to 20 percent being throwaways. I will miss the GPS, intervalometer, and the RC-6 wireless remote. I have the Bluetooth remote and a new intervalometer on the way. I find GPS through the Canon app a pain but that could be my Galaxy S7. The connection between the R and the phone keeps dropping and has to be repeatedly reestablished. At the current price it can't be beat. Even better with the loyalty discount.
Dustin, Looks like I found myself in a pickle. I am a hobbyist shooting both portraits and sports. I recently jumped from canon 5d markiii to a Sony a7iii (adapted glass) and miss the colors and have ran into lags using the Sony with flash triggers. I’m sure it may have something to do with adapted lenses but after watching this video, I am wondering if I should switch back. Any thoughts?
If you've mostly been shooting with adapted lenses, switching back should be pretty easy. There are strengths and weaknesses to all systems. You will miss the IBIS, dynamic range, and the superior tracking/burst performance of Sony, but you will probably like the ergonomics and color more on the Canon. You'll have to decide your own priorities here.
I ordered mine yesterday using the $200 Loyalty Reward from B&H. $1,299 for camera and adapter was too good to pass up. I have spent 10 years assembling the lenses that I have and am very happy with them. I replaced my Canon EF 24-105L (V1) with a Sigma 24-105A 2 years ago and it is VERY sharp. I have tested it against both Canon's EF and RF 24-105L's at my local camera store and the Sigma won hands down. So for the time being I will hang on to my EF glass. After all, I will still have the 7Dm2 and for at least a while the 6Dm2.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Great price! I bought my 6D Mark II just before the 2017 solar eclipse and paid $1,999 for it! Best shots ended up being from the 7D Mark II and Sigma 150-600.
New pricing from B&H Photo for the holidays: an EOS R with accessories for $1499 or with a lens for a little over $2000: bhpho.to/2GzxnFn. That's up to $1000 off, making the EOS R very attractive for that price. That's cheaper than I bought it for!!
Yes...quite a bargain Dustin. And other items are often bundled with the camera and lens. The FF mirror less market is extremely competitive...and given the competition in mirror less in other sensor configurations, one might be able to purchase the Eos R AND the Fuji XT3 for just a bit more than the Eos R and kit lens alone about a year ago.
I hear you on that point. I just received an offer for an additional 200 off, bringing the cost to 1299. I have been on the Sony ship for a while now but the price is so cheap, that I think I’m going to buy another canon. Maybe in the future all cameras will be free as a means of selling 2k-3k lenses to the consumer.
B&H sent me a $200 off (up to) offer and no sales tax when paid with PayBoo. Wife says go for it .., bless her heart, but I'm still on the fence.
Currently have a 7Dm2 and 6Dm2 and the R would probable replace the 6Dm2.
We travel a lot and I would really miss the having the GPS.
Have until the 18th to take advantage of B&H's offer.
William Maxey I’ve used both the 6d MII & EOS R for travel & I’d go with the R for space savings (if you are ready to jump into the RF glass). Plus, it’s a better camera for stills & video
Hi William, I've found that GPS logging via the app actually works fairly well. You just have to remember to engage it.
Using Canon eos r for half a year now. And my favourite feature is a manual focus assistance. It is not only very precise and reliable and joy to use, but it is also a manual replication of "eye af", when eye is being tracked and by rotating simply a focus ring on a lens eye gets perfectly in focus. That was the reason I pulled the trigger and add plenty of Zeiss and voigtlander glass to my kit.
That's very true, and one of the best features.
As a 6D mark II shooter I am really interested in the EOS R for these main reasons: image quality, no focus calibration, better AF, eye AF. The downsides that stop me are: battery life, no R mount tele lenses (I need a native 100-400 or a third party R mount 150-600, I'm hoping it comes out in the next years), lower fps than what I have now.
I am seriously considering it though, I like my 6D2 very much and it's giving me anything I need both in landscapes and wildlife. The struggle with AF calibration is a pain though, especially since I use mostly third party lenses that sometime can be not as perfect as first party ones.
I don't know, I will try to try it out with my lenses adapted to see if I enjoy it but may just be better to wait for the next iteration of the camera
You might be surprised at how well adapted lenses work.
'Stay with the 6dii and wait' would be my advice...on UA-cam DSLMs are hyping but a lot of photographers stick to their DSLRs...
@@rumtreibbaer That's the boat I think I'm in. The current $1300 EOS R sale is very tempting, but I almost exclusively shoot action, and I mainly do so with Sigma telephotos. I feel like the EVF issues and slower frame rate will bother me with this sort of shooting, and it will be a long time before I'm buying $1k RF telephotos that are decent.
The 6Dii isn't a bad camera at all, so it probably makes sense to just wait for a new generation where all the compromises have been eliminated and it is just a complete step up.
Now, if I were shooting portraits/landscape/etc or cared more about the first frame than the next 10 then the EOS R would be a better camera all around.
I got my EOS 6D right when the EOS R came out, I'm really happy with my 6D, but I am super jealous of the eye autofocus for portraits, and the low light performance of the EOS R is just jaw dropping at higher ISO. Only thing that holds me back is the fact that I do quite a bit of sports photography, so that's pretty much a deal breaker. I really don't want to sink the money into a 5D Mk IV only to watch them drop a Professional EOS R variant a couple of months later.
If you do a lot of sports, you are probably wise to wait until this time next year and reevaluate. The 5DIV is towards the end of it's cycle
Read somewhere that R mark ii is going to be announced around May, 2020. It's pretty clear that the R ii is going to be better than 5D IV in almost every aspect. I mean if you bump up the fps little bit, add a 2nd slot and a joystick to the current R, it's already better than 5D IV. In addition to that better ergonomics, better autofocus, better weather sealing, better evf and new sensor gonna make the R ii a force to reckon with. IBIS is also a possibility.
Nothing to be jealous about. The R is maybe 1/2 stop cleaner than the 6D, which isn't noticeable in actual use.
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@Csab R is going to be the 5D equivalent for their mirrorless line up. 5D iv is due for a replacement anyway.
@@pinakijana9479 you were right!
Great to see you using the EOS R. As a R shooter myself and a fan of your reviews, I'm looking forward to seeing what seeing what accessories and lenses you try out.
Stay tuned. First up is the review of the RF 50L
I appreciate the fact that you made a new video to address the improvements that Canon has made to the camera. Most reviewers have not done that. I found this update very helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
Greetings from Croatia! I had 5d mark2 eight years, and upgrade to Eos R. I was blown away. That was the right choice for me, love it, amazing camera.
Beautiful review, thanks!
It is a pretty huge upgrade from the 5DII - particularly when it comes to AF.
I have a 5D2 in 2020 and considering the R as well. Also considering the R5 that comes out this month. I think either way I’m going to have my world turned upside down lol
Got my R three weeks ago and I'm obsessed with it. Upgraded from the 80D and it has been such a huge difference for me. The workflow with the R just feels amazing. I'll also be investing more into that RF glass. Canon is taking their mirrorless world serious so I'm not worried.
I agree that the shooting process is generally just better with a good mirrorless camera.
I’ve had my EOS R since it came out last year and with the updates I agree, it’s a lot of camera for the $$. I’ve also made the switch to all RF glass (ouch). But it’s been worth it. Great glass.
Ouch is right, but to be fair, a lot of the glass is pretty exceptional.
RF glass is amazing
Sam Hartwig loving it so far!
I moved from APS-C to the R and damn that extra low light and bokeh is super nice!
I am now missing a wide angle though, the 15-35 is amazing, it would be a killer for basically all of my uses for a wide angle lens. I am also waiting for a more budget friendly portrait lens on the 85mm range :)
Giacomo Zonco if you can muster the cost, the RF 15-35mm f2.8L IS is worthwhile for sure.
Hi Dustin. I am glad u have it, can't wait for your reviews of rf glass👍
Since you have controlled ring adapter (as I do) i wanted to share with you and others my favourite way of shooting indoors with it-
Camera in Manual mode with auto iso set and control ring set to exposure compensation(which effectively will be altering auto iso) - only some cameras gives you this possibility but thankfully Eos R does.
Lets say you have 85mm lens - so we set 160 shutter speed(according to double the focal lenght rule - would not be comfortable shutting slower than this due to lack of is or ibis) and then set the desired aperture, and camera will set "appropriate" iso that most of the times will get you in the ballpark.
Then I just turn control ring to finetune exposure either darker or brighter with peace of mind that my other settings - shutter speed and aperture stays the same. I love to shoot events/weddings like this. Its quick thanks to auto iso that always gets me in the ballpark in fast changing shooting environment and removes thinking ;-) about the settings as you end up just adjusting - darker/brighter with control ring. You also end up with the best possible quality image for the scene as iso will always be the lowest to achieve desired image as the other settings - shutter speed and F are already "maxed out". Shooting like this i have 90% keepers, I am quicker, not missing ibis as much as I set minimum comfortable shutter speed and can focus on pictures/moments more.
I am not discovering anything new here ;) but not many people shoot this way and know about possibility of setting auto iso under M mode - and this feauture is awesome.
Regards.
Great feedback. Hopefully this will help someone.
Hello. Great way to use a camera. I use the same setup with my a7ii. Difference is I use the dedicated control for exposure compensation instead of being on the lens, which would be incredible. As I think that most actions can be taken with 1/80th or 1/100th of a second, I would definitely say ibis is an incredible advantage. Just shot my cat with a manual Samyang 135 f2 at 1/60th just with aquarium light at night. Perfect sharp. Thanks for sharing.
Igor Igrek Thanks for telling this, which I never know after using the R for 14 months.
I upgraded from my 80D to the R in May and have very much enjoyed. I'm sure glad I can use all of my EF, and 3rd party, lenses, since RF is too rich for my blood at this point in time (Except for the 35mm, but, in my view, I have better options than the RF at this point in time.).
Fortunately there is very little negative tradeoff in using the EF lenses other than the extra bit of length.
Love your videos Dustin. When I'm about to purchase gear I find myself at your channel often. For me, your reviews ring true. Very consistent. Purchased the R5 last night. Thanks to you, I'm going into it aware of the pluses and minuses. Keep up the good work.
That's very high praise. I value being credible, unbiased, and honest.
I'm really slipping mentally. Purchased the Eos R, duh!
Once the latest firmware came out I bought one also. I am really enjoying this camera
Glad to hear it.
Welcome back to Canon, Dustin. As I keep telling everyone: Do you really think the 28-70 f/2L, 50mm f/1.2L, 85mm f/1.2L and fabulous f/2.8 trio was really designed for the EOS R and EOS RP? Some good things to come with this camera system and its ability to adapt EF lenses so incredibly well make it a no-brainier for Canon photographers and those looking for a camera that really works well. I just wish they could have matched the performance of the new M6 Mark II...that camera is a wicked little speed demon and makes the EOS R look like a really lethargic camera.
Well, to be fair, I didn't really leave Canon (I've owned a 5D Mark IV and 80D all along), but I do agree that Canon has more pro-grade R cameras coming.
@michael p "five-year plan" makes sense yet so many people are switching camera systems these days like other people change their socks. It's actually almost unbelievable. You can almost set your calendar to when the next wave of "I switched!!!" comments as one manufacturer leapfrogs another.
Thanks for this, Dustin. After so many years avoiding Canon due to the ‘bad reputation’ of them crippling their cameras and that they were so slow going into mirrorless, I just bought into the EOS R system. First it was the set with the RF24-105 kit lens. Then added the RF35 a week after and shortly after the RF15-35. The entire system is amazingly user friendly, the lenses are spectacular, and the fully articulating screen is perfect for what I want to do with my photography. So exciting is this system to me, that I’m giving my Leica SL with M-lenses a bit of a rest; and contemplating some changes to that set-up in favor of Canon. The lack of dual card slots on the R do not concern me much as I’m just a hobbyist. The only minor annoyance is the lack of built-in intervalometer. Was not a deal breaker. I also bought the BR-E1 remote, which for my use is essential and works really well. I’m looking forward to what Canon does with future body upgrades. Although as it stands, the R is sufficient for what I need in the next few years. Didn’t think I would say this after >15 years with the hobby but, good job, Canon! Don’t let your guard down though. Sony is closing in on you for full frame camera market dominance. (And I used to own the Sony A7III too, still a great camera, but the R fits my needs better.)
Good news - they have added an intervalometer via firmware.
Dustin Abbott Awesome! Thanks for the update!
Glad to hear, Dustin, that you will be reviewing more RF lenses. I did watch your original review of the R last year, and I agreed with many of the points. But I was so eager to start using the great primes that I did purchase an R, and it has turned out to be an amazing portrait camera. I've been able to customize it to have everything available with just a press or two through the EVF, including, finally, flash exposure-compensation (using the DOWN directional button to bring up the flash menu, then one more press and the FEC number-line pops up). Clearly this is not a jack-of-all-trades pro body, but it outdoes the 5DIV for portraits by a significant margin--because of its precise AF and real-time exposure feedback.
There is no way to get around the cropped 4k video. It's a significant compromise, no doubt, for videographers, and Canon must move beyond it in the next R body.
As for this "second look" review, it does seem that you are telling us the only reason you have bought it is so you can review lenses. Fair enough, but sort of anti-climatic after sitting through a summary of last year's videos. But that's ok! Your lens reviews are some of the best anywhere, and many photographers trust your insights. Happy holidays!
To be fair, I did praise the improved aspects of the camera, though many of its limitations do remain.
Greetings from Europe and thank you very much for your work, keep it up!!!
You're welcome!
Deep pockets is an understatement my friend. That RF platform I’m betting will completely change what 35mm sensor resolution can really capture. I will jump into the RF pool at some point but not selling my EF L lenses anytime soon.
You're probably right between the combination of high resolution lenses and the possibility of as much as 75Mp resolution
I have adapted all of my Canon EF lenses and compatible third party lenses via the EOS-R control ring with some wonderful results and I think this is one of the strengths of this camera,..... great backward compatibility.
Absolutely. They did a great job with that.
I too bought one after the firmware updates. Loved the ring adapter right away, and then bought the cheapest RFlens (35 f1.8) which really impressed me. Within a week i traded in my MD5 Mk4 to wards the RF 70-200 (do please review). Haven't had this much fun in ages. Already lusting after that 15-35, but sure would be nice to have some cheaper lens options as well.
I plan to get to the 70-200 as soon as Canon can get me a loaner (ditto on the 15-35).
I went after the firmware update to Canon (Eos R) from Sony (a7riii), and after two years I am really happy
that I am back I have more the feeling to be more creative and work with a far more nicer tool with Canon!
Interesting. What did you feel you got with the EOS R that you didn't on the a7RIII?
Dustin Abbott Flippy screen, better ergonomics, better lcd, better viewfinder, curtain safety, future proof mount, love Canon glass, c-log, better weather sealing, better colours, Canon gives more dept and smoothness I find Sony more digital sharp what I don’t like. Overall it’s a way better tool for me and it makes fun to work with it!
Interesting. I would give you ergonomics if that touchbar were a joystick instead :)
As a Sony user, even I’m considering the EOS R because of the RF glass, new price drop, and updated AF. But the single card and slower FPS for action are still issues for me. Maybe the next EOS R body will be the one for me, meanwhile the RF lineout will get more filled out with more variety and potentially affordable options. That being said, Sony A7iii and A7Riii is getting the job done fine. Can pretty much shoot anything in any situation with no real shortcomings.
This is a fair take, for sure.
As a recently switched from Canon to Sony, I mostly agree - though I am finding it a PITA having to work extra to dial out those green / yellowish skin tones...just need more time to build a preset that can auto fix at 80% of the times
Canon EOS Rm2 rumors floating around that they're already testing it, specs may come soon, and pretty sure IBIS and dual card slot are already coming. I'm highly motivated to purchase the R now for the new low price and upgrade when the next one comes, hopefully fixing the shortcomings of the first one. May as well start building my lens collection now:) I've been thinking about the A7III for a while and despite the great features I still find it missing something that really makes me wanna use it and keeps me as happy as a Canon. Canon got some kinda special sauce in their user experience, just gotta catch up a bit on the features now that they're pressured, same as Apple is doing right now.
I just did the same after formative years with Canon, they fully converted to Sony full frames. Finally broke down last week and picked up the EOS R with the RF 24-70 f.2.8. What a pleasant surprise! It's so nice to have Canon color and I'm really excited for the RF line!
I'm glad you are enjoying it.
Cabins colors are great for jpeg shooters.
Dustin, thanks so much for this great video! The firmware update seems like a tie-breaker! And those RF lenses ~ Wow! I love the snow in your video! As a Northern Minnesotan, I see that weekly these days! Happy Holidays :)!
Thanks. Ironically I've gotten some people sagely telling me that the snow "I added in post looks fake". I suspect it's probably because they are from a place where they aren't too familiar with what real snow looks like!
thank you for doing a follow up review. I also was very happy to say goodbye to AFMA and focus recompose. The body price that's sub-$2000 for a 5DIV sensor is a great deal. The autofocus on the R almost feels like cheating coming from a dslr. The slow burst rate in AF priority low continuous does bother me a little but for the moment I'll take the near 100% hit rate. Any good use for the touch bar? I wish they opened up a few more options for the touch bar like how you can customize other buttons.
I'm currently using the touch bar for ISO. It works, but not as well as just have a wheel there would have.
Hi dustin! Considering price / size / weight similarities makes me wonder what do you think about RF 50 (and 85) compared to Otus?
They are pretty close both optically and sizewise, now.
thanks for reply, @@DustinAbbottTWI! If you only had space for 1 lens in your bag, which one you'd take to a client photoshoot? And to a personal one?
Slightly off topic, but I got my Canon RP 2weeks ago and I am very happy to switch from FF dslr to mirrorless system because of the reasons you mentioned. And having some nice ef lenses the change was harmless. 🙂
The really did a great job of allowing EF lenses to work seamlessly.
@@DustinAbbottTWI true! Once I used to say I'd never go mirrorless, but when I did it I cannot imagine I could shift back. Thx Dustin for poweful reviews and letting me look inside many cameras/lenses etc ✌
Yeah, I bought an EOS RP as a backup/travel body, but as I used it I quickly fell in love with the ergonimics and the weight. Aaand now I've sold my 5D IV and got me a R too 🙈 I never would have thought this to happen...
It's a changing landscape.
Any differences between R and RP you noticed?
@@1WorldAroundYou Most of the differences have to do with size, the RP is lighter (about 200g), the R is easier for me to use touch and drag for the focus points (R I have lower right quadrant to keep my fat nose from changing focus points when using my left eye, with the RP my nose is in the lower right quadrant and I need a conscious effort not to touch or use my right eye).
Outside of that I'd say the R has slightly better dynamic range. The upper LCD is a non-issue for me as I have the screen flipped all the time for the focus point feature. The differentiation in the focus system that was present between 6D and 5D is not present here anymore either. IMO, if you want best picture quality and/or have larger body features -> R. If the camera should be as light and small as possible -> RP.
Thank you for this video Dustin. Finally made my mind up and have bought the R + Adapter + the 35mm R lens
Enjoy!
It depends what you are after.... Had sony a7iii and couldn't get used to colors it produced, took it back and got eosr and couldn't be happier.
You're not the first to say that.
With my 6 D Mark II I shoot mostly landscape photography using a tripod and manual focusing with live view on the rear display screen which performs like a mirrorless camera. I'm so spoiled with the rear display screen that I don't enjoy using the viewfinder while hand holding the camera anymore. I really want to switch to the EOS R but the battery life of the 6D Mark II is absolutely amazing! How does the EOS R battery life compare?
I haven't found a huge difference, actually.
Thank you Dustin...I always enjoy your unbiased views and educational presentations. A hobbyist, I almost pulled the trigger on the EOS R (based on price, performance and Canon firmware updates), but decided to await the EOS Rs releasing Feb. I'd like to see dual card slots (CF Express) and IBIS (performance similar to Olympus or Panasonic). Seasons Greetings!
It sounds like you are going off rumors. We'll see if all of that materializes.
Regarding ibis, I can tell you it will be extremely difficult to achieve the oly grounds, as the sensor is a lot smaller and the housing is not much different than ff sensors. It's impossible to rotate that much the sensor without increasing the size of the housing. My Sony a850 ff dslr has a better ibis than a7ii (by at least 2 stops) and I would say at least better by 0.5 stops compare with a7r4. So Sony knows how to do it right (they were the first ones), just doesn't have the space, and I imagine Canon and nikon will have similar difficulties. Best regards
@@luisfilipelopes2900 It seems to work quit well in the S1/S1R/S1H. I guess we'll have to see how/if Canon is serious about IBIS. Seasons Greetings!
@@DustinAbbottTWI True, but I'm betting Canon's next R iteration will include dual CF Express and perhaps IBIS. I hope they don't bog it down with a mega sensor.
The one of the very few guys, who is a pleasure to watch. Well done, Dustin. Do you remember what I told you about the EOS-R + RF50? ;) Glad you like it. Get your hands on the RF85. It is even better with its BR glass.
The EF-RF adapter with the VND is a no-brainer for any OCF photographer - it makes a huge difference keeping you within the "normal" sync speed and being behind the lens, it is color casts free right up to the 9th stop. This reason alone is more than enough for flash and portrait photographers to get it without a 2nd thought. Not sure why you didn't mention this.
I don't care much about Sony even if it can make pancakes for breakfast when I don't have even one lens (except the 24-70GM) which renders beautifully and has soul and art in it. Lenses is what matters, not the body.
This is where decades of making great lenses and camera bodies comes into play. Canon have set the bar so high with the RF mount, right up there to Leica top primes, that it is super-hard for others to catch and totally impossible for Sony - too pity for them, considering the fact they own Minolta... I'm sure they will finally nail it with A7RXVIV... The focusing with aperture stopped down with their top-tier primes was driving me completely nuts. Never saw a dumber decision that this one, even my 30 y old SLR is opening up the aperture for focusing... khhh...
Keep up the good work.
I didn't talk about the Variable ND drop in filter because I haven't used it and don't know firsthand that color casts are well controlled. I'm not sure that I agree about lenses without beautiful rendering on Sony. I've got at least 4 in my kit that I love.
@@DustinAbbottTWI, I feel you - beautiful rendering is highly subjective and is a matter of a personal perception.
However, I'm curious to know what are these 4 that you mentioned. One of the things that shows how strong a certain brand is, is the lens system and especially great 35, 50 and 85mm fast primes, which are the most used ones.They still struggle to get a decent 35/1.4, or 1.2 lens - the Sony-Zeiss is an adapted, retro-focus lens, which is far from being great. The 50mm is totally lacking a decent one... 85 mil. discipline is a bit better, but very far from what Canon have packed into RF85, not to mention about Leica APO 90mm. Their 70-200GM is even worse than Canon EF70-200/2.8L IS II or III in terms of performance. I struggled to find a lens that I really like (Their Planar 50/1.4 could be one, but stopped down past f2)...
Cheers.
I really like the Sony Zeiss Planar 50mm F1.4, the Voigtlander APO-Lanthar 65mm F2, the Samyang AF 85mm F1.4, and I also love the little Samyang AF 45mm F1.8. The 135mm F1.8 GM is also special.
@@DustinAbbottTWI, my point was for OEM (system native) lenses and not 3rd party. I could agree for the Planar 50/1.4, although it is not up to the optical performance of the RF50/1.2, it still has some soul in it. I absolutely dislike the swirly defocus character of the 135GM - it reminds me of some cheap, Russian lenses from the 80s for $20. You see, that was my point - you're getting a Sony body and start to scratch the head what lens to put on it and reaching for some MF Voigts, Sigma, Samyang, etc... Not that these are bad, but OEM lenses will always be the best choice. Sony has to focus strongly on the quality lenses instead of dropping body after body. I'm also concerned about their narrow mount, which is a huge limitation in front of designing some really great lenses. I bet the future belongs to the RF & L-mounts.
Cheers.
I bought one too , so I can start using the RF glass and for video functions. Yes yes I’ve made the switch.
Enjoy!
Thanks for your well thought out and informative videos. BTW what is happening with the shrubs at 06:40 to 06:50? I thought it was the 480p but the shrubs disappear even in 1080p
I'm not quite sure what you are seeing. I don't see it, myself. It would be either an atmospheric effect from the snow or a momentary focus glitch if there actually is something.
I love the snow falling effect you did in post production.
I didn't. Looks fake!
That's not post - that's live.
That's hilarious, as there's nothing fake about it.
Dustin Abbott 😂😂😂 “that you did in post production”
He also added the red chair.
Hi Dustin,
I have one problem with this camera (besides no dual card slot).
Problem is when the flash is on (600ex rt)
no matter the setting (ETTL or manual at 1/128) camera drive mode is approx 3 FPS even with AF turned off.
The moment flash is turned off drive speed is approx 8 FPS.
This is a really big deal for me as a wedding photographer. Did you experienece the same problem or perhaps found a workarond?
Thanks!
The EOS R has serious weaknesses when it comes to burst rate. That 8FPS drops to 5FPS if you want full time tracking. I've not done enough flash work where I want any kind of burst on the EOS R to have encountered what you described.
I as well jumped on board a few weeks ago. I would like to ask where do you get those drop in filters? Or is that the canon filter adapter an how that works. Thanks for the video and look forward to seeing others.
I'll be releasing a review on those drop in filters in a few weeks. They aren't available yet, but should be near the end of the month.
Awesome!! Thank you
Dustin Abbott would be nice to see those drop in filters compare to the Freewell variable filters! There is only content with only the drop in filters without any comparison.
Dustin, have you used the EOS R with Tamron newest lens? My kit consists of mainly those lens and not knowing how the camera works with them is my only hesitation in getting it.
I've no encountered any issues with Tamron lenses on the EOS R. Seems to be pretty flawless with the 4-5 lenses I've thrown on there.
Dustin Abbott thank you
Is that clicking at 2:20 from the EOS R or from the camera filming the the EOS R screen?
That's the RF 50mm F1.2L. Definitely not a silently focusing lens!
Dustin Abbott is the other RF glass silent? Thinking of swapping over from the M50
I just added a second R to my arsenal. It’s not perfect but it does what I need. Eye autofocus for events it’s awesome.
Absolutely. As long as a person has realistic expectations about what they will and won't get from the EOS R, it is actually a very satisfying camera to use and feels great in the hands.
Great reviews!
Thanks as always for your videos, Dustin. I’ll chime in and say I’ve had an A7III for a year now and shoot landscapes with my Canon lenses via the MC-11 adapter. Coming from an older 6D, the dynamic range is pretty insane and what keeps me attached to it but if it wasn’t for that and I could still have the same file flexibility I’d gladly go for the EOS R. I know one stop difference isn’t huge but it’s nice to have if you’re lifting details from dark files frequently and it’s nice to be able to avoid the noise banding as well. Being able to get the most out of my Canon lenses would also be nice though, as video is very limited with them adapted to the Sony and I’m sure even just for stills they’d be much snappier on a proper Canon mount.
The EF lenses definitely perform better on the EOS R, but yes, Sony has still got the dynamic range edge. Here's hoping that Canon ups their game in the 2nd gen R bodies.
Thank you Dustin, it's time for me to buy one. No more focus and recompose!
That is one of the best things about mirrorless
@@DustinAbbottTWI I have a canon 6d. It's a great camera in so many ways but one cross type AF point has killed so many shallow depth of field portraits. As you say, rule of thirds composition just compounds this problem. My hit rate is OK but I'm just a hobiest. When taking photos of family I don't want to have the camera in my hand all of the time. If I see a lovely moment I just want to nab it and put the camera back in my bag.
Thanks again for all your great work.
Props for doing this one in the snow.
Hi Dustin, Thank you for your trustworthy reviews and comments. I watched your video yesterday and I bought the EOS R today with the regular EF to R adapter and think I need some time to get used to it. Coming from a 5D MK 3 I miss the joystick and the option to go low as ISO50 and hate the sensor bar since day one when I had the chance to try it out at the on the first day at the Photokina in 2018. I think it will grow on me over time but I don't think I am going to sell my old releiable 5D MK3 workhorse. Still love it a lot.
Prices in Germany usually are higher than in other markets so it was 2500 Euros when it came out, dropped to 2300 a couple of weeks ago, down another 100 Euros last week and with the Cashback and turn in an old camera option the price with my local dealer was as low as 1799 Euros inc. 19% consumer tax as of December 10th 2019. This plus the updated firmware to 1.6 including the now amazing eye auto focus I could not resist. It's asteal for that price.
The sensor bar is not something I expect to see in future R bodies. No one really seems to love it.
The setting with all that snow looks amazing. Very cool Dustin. I'm in South Texas and we don't get snow. :-) Love all your videos.
It probably would have been a little warmer filming in Texas ;)
Hi Dustin, again excellent review and many thanks! I too prefer the adapter with the control ring over the standard adapter for the same reasons. I’m happy with my Canon RP and the additional grip accessory. Best wishes and have a nice day! Ralf
The control ring adapter is great!
Hi Dustin, long time fan. I got a quick question please. Does firmware 1.6 includes the information contained in firmware 1.4, or do I have to update my camera one firmware at the time?
I believe that you can go right from 1.3 to 1.6.
@@DustinAbbottTWI thank you.
Great video!! Currently, I own a 6D Mark II and I mainly use it to shoot my 2-year-old daughter. I find the AI SERVO sometimes don't get a good result even I always use the center autofocus point. I wonder if I switch to EOS R with eye focus tracking, can I get a better success rate compared to my 6D2? Thanks.
I absolutely think you would.
Hi Dustin and thanks for this video, Canon are really killing it with the RF lenses, and it's only the beginning :-) I was thinking of purchasing a RP as a backup/holiday camera to go aside my 5D4, But i'm concerned about the lower resolution EVF and Back screen, did you have a chance to compare it to the Eos R? cheers
I'm sure you saw my review of the RP, but I've never had the two cameras on hand at the same time to directly compare.
@@DustinAbbottTWI yes i did, but so much has changed with the firmware updates. I'll give it a second look :-)
EOS R used for around $1100 in 2020 or Fujifilm X-T4. If you had to do one or the other and want to shoot 4K but also take great stills.
That's impossible to respond to, as the X-T4 doesn't exist yet.
Dustin , I thought I'll ask you this question as you seem more non biased then most channels . A very popular channel that a couple hosts made the statement that duel pixel AF is to slow for fast moving subjects . This seems to be not a correct statement as there is a difference between AF acquisition or lock time and actual subject tracking . The two issues are separate I would think . Do you think it's the actual focus technology of duel pixel that makes it not appropriate for fast moving subjects or rather the slow processor that makes it to slow for subject tracking ?
I don't think they've got that right. The new M6 MK II does 14FPS with DPAF. On the EOS R, I think it is processor and architecture related. We'll see a more sports-oriented model, and I'm sure it will utilize some form of DPAF.
@@DustinAbbottTWI yes it was in relation to a early overview of the new 1dx vs a9 , and dual pixel came in into question . So much misinterpretation out there on youtube thanks for your response
Dustin: Have you ever had the need to use the Canon Raw developing program? There is a dual pixel setting that might increase detail, but such can only be used via the Canon Raw converter.
I rarely use it. I find the benefits of Dual Pixel RAW to be too limited to be worth the extra hassle...personally.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks. My suspicions confirmed!
I sold my beloved 6D mark 1 and upgraded to Canon EOS R few weeks ago. I love the result I am getting and I also love the constant update. I have a question Mr.abbott. I enjoy using the Eye focus feature. Does it make sense to buy Rokikon/Samyang 85mm F1.2 with EOS R? It is only 800 CAD at the moment and I really wanted to try Rokinon 85mm F1.2 lens but I am afraid that I am making a mistake.
That's a great lens, for sure. The EOS R is a good platform for it due to how well the focus guide works. It makes nailing focus pretty simple.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you so much for the quick response Mr.abbott. I think I am going to buy the lens and try it with my EOS R. Looking forward to see the beautiful rendering.
@@DustinAbbottTWI I received Rokinon 85mm F1.2 few days ago and I am very happy with the result I am getting. Manual Focus Assistance and the Focus Peaking helps a lot. I was blown away when Eye Detection still worked woth Manual Focus lens. One thing is though, this lens is heavy. I thought my Tamron 24 70 G2 was heavy...wow. I think I need to go to gym and work out haha.
Thanks Dustin.
You and the others here are certainly well versed in the use of this camera. Consequently, might I ask if you make use of the Pixel Shift feature.
I don't use it.
I bought one too!!! Just waiting for your review of the new 24-70!! and the announcement of the new sigma rf lenses!!
Here's hoping the Canon Canada will be able to supply me loaners with more consistency in 2020. They did get me the RF 50L for review, and I'm grateful for that!
@@DustinAbbottTWI ye lets hope that they will!! Thank you for always making the best videos
Extremely on point talk, couldn't agree more. I moved from Canon to Sony about a year ago, no regrets but sincerely hoping Canon produces a real camera for it's users in mirrorless requiring pro level bodies. I could see myself going back into using Canon if they had all the lenses and better bodies but I do wonder when that time comes what will Sony be rolling out? I wouldn't be surprised if Canon is always years behind the next great technology. I do think all users can thank Sony for bringing viable mirrorless cameras to the forefront, without them I'm not sure any of the makers would be putting any energy into this. Once you use mirrorless it would be very hard to go back as you know.
I'm not sure it's quite as doomsday as that, but Sony did leave the door a little bit open with the a7RIV. It's a great camera, but not necessarily a home run like the a7RIII was (at least in terms of feedback from my audience). Canon definitely needs a knockout in the next round.
@@DustinAbbottTWI totally agree, I think the A7RIV missed the mark a bit. I own the A7R3 and love that camera but with there was a new version with the improved AF of the R4. I find myself shooting in high iso situations so frequently the hit in noise makes that camera not appeal to me. I think in part they wanted that camera to be the megapixel king but in reality as photographers we would have found a lower megapixels version with other improvements of more value. Thanks for the reply, love your reviews and channel.
I badly need ur suggestion i have bought canon 200 D mark II and now i meed macro ring light otherthan canon so which company would be mountable on it?
A very nice video to watch! It's a great camera for making UA-cam videos, I'm very happy with mine!
Glad to hear it!
What do you think about the EOS RP as a budget option to get into the RF lens line as a lifestyle and product photographer/videographer?
Sure. It's sensor isn't as good as the EOS R, but it's a nice little camera.
Nice review update, very balanced and as always unbiased. Hey I love your Brown Coat!
Thanks, I get a lot of positive feedback on that coat.
I have just bought the canon eos r camera and have watched your review. You did not mention the focus tweaking and I would be interested in your comments.
Focus "tweaking" is unnecessary with an EOS R or other mirrorless cameras.
Hey, can i drop in a question that was burning in the back of my head... i bought a 77D beginning of this year ... and i got (back) into capturing some photons. So i was thinking about upgrading to a Fullframe... and now when i finally sort of convinced myself that a EOS R might even be good for me with adapter-fiddling (i cant really afford those fancy RF lenses AND a new body) for my EF lenses (i bought EF as i was already sure to upgrade to fullframe later down the line soon after i got back into that photone catching hobby again). But now.. i heard about EOS R.. MKii ... whats your take on it if one can wait. How much of a deal is the lack of IBIS? As the rumors go the mk 2 might have ibis.. but... if it costs a liver and a half on release i would have to wait at least a year minimum.... should i wait? I have shaky hands... thus i rely a bit to IS more than others (i know people that can shoot my sigma 150-600mm hand held at 600...)
Listening to you, having IBIS (with or without a lense with IS) sounds like a VERY helpfull (and hence miss'd) feature on the R? So... lets assume the Mark II would cost 3k or above... is it worth it? Or is the lack of IBIS on the R... well ... a negative point on the spec list but not so dramatic assuming the Mark II could cost easily double ? (knowing that Canon is into the mortgage busines with their pricing)
Hi there, unfortunately you are asking me questions that are impossible to answer. I don't know whether such a camera will have IBIS, when it will come, or what it is will cost. It's hard to predict the future. If you aren't in a rush, though, you might as well wait a few months and see what happens.
Hey, Thank you for taking your time to answer my question :-) I apprechiate that!
I know you cant tell me the future, and i didnt try to force an answer in that regard... even i wish to know the future :-D
I was more pointing at the lack of IBIS, is it really that hurting, or could you say for the current price (1800$ for the body + adapter here) its... "fine"?
My "issue" is that i have shaky hands, more than others and im not even old... so whenever i hear someone saying "get a fast lense with f1.8 or f2 and you be fine" i have to sigh a little, that only really solves it in perfect situations.
On another note, how was your expirience with Adapter juggling? (Assuming you used old EF lenses on it as the RF are apparently very good, but cost a small fotrtune)
so now we can keep the eye AF locked an continously shoot and it will stay focused ?
That's correct.
@@DustinAbbottTWI thank you for the fast reply dustin, im thinking about getting this camera or waiting for the new r5, i only shoot portrait. The r5 will probably cost almost 2k more by now..what do you think?
why oh why are these manufactures forgetting about us action, sports, and wildlife photography? great review btw
I'm not sure that it is a matter of forgetting about you but rather that the type of camera you need requires the most development work. You need the performance model...and a much greater number needs the "Honda Accord" that the EOS R is.
@@DustinAbbottTWI i understand your point of view but if you ever come to texas or live in our state you will find that big trucks rule and the majority of car lots have trucks over ruling cars where ever you go in this state. texas is second largest truck seller in world.
lol; sorry but us texans are little different than the rest of the country; but hence why ford , dodge , chevy love making trucks for texas. so why cant nikon , canon and sony make for rest of us. like i said i understand your point to degree but still believe they are hurting themselves;. just my thoughts;
@@noyesphotography1979 I suspect that it is just hard to deliver. I mean, none of the manufacturers have really delivered a spectacular mirrorless body for sports, which suggests it is just pushing the envelope. Maybe if they dropped the sensor resolution their processors could handle the pixels in realtime and make them more responsive with a higher framerate, but of course people focus on the megapixels, and then chances are you could still do better with a DSLR that doesn't have to drop resolution.
While more fps would be nice I'm not a pro, so I don't need 14fps/etc. However, 6fps with an EVF that shows me what the lens is pointing at and not what the lens was pointed at 200ms ago would be a good start. Sony seems to be better but it makes me nervous that they still can't focus with an open aperture when shooting continuous.
Maybe the next generation of mirrorless will make me want to switch over. It seems like they're better in every way as far as taking the FIRST shot goes, but after that they struggle.
@@RichFreeman great feedback. Thanks for your thoughts
I have been searching for an answer and maybe you could provide one. I have all my L glass which is the reluctance to switch to R, however the adapter gives me some hope. My question is, how does the increase in focal length affect performance? I am a landscape and nightscape shooter and I prefer pinpoint to the edges. Thanks for the great content as always! Also, The Canon rumors board is buzzing with goodies for my needs all of a sudden. Do I wait? Hmmmm....lol
The adapter does not change either the focal length or the lens performance. You will probably actually get better performance out of many of your L series lenses due to having more accurate focus. As for what's coming - it sounds like the R5 will be fantastic. I suspect it will also be priced to match.
Looking for where one can purchase the Aurora Aperture drop-in filter set for the Canon R adaptor ring ?
They aren't on the market yet, but you will be able to find them here: bhpho.to/2Z4kOKO
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks
Everyone started to make Eos R is good camera buy it campaign , it feels like they are going to release eos r mark 2 on june an try to sell the stocks ....
They've definitely suddenly dropped prices.
Hi Dustin,
Now it is almost 2020 are the aurora Canon ef adapter filters available yet? Would love to pick some up? Cheers
The word I have is last week of December. You can preorder here: bhpho.to/2DJo7NC
Beautiful review, as always. I absolutely love your content! Thanks!
Thank you!
I'm thinking that the EOS R would be a good upgrade from my 5D mk2, for when I'm shooting dimly lit indoor sports with my EF glass. What do you think of the touch bar on the back? It seems like something that everyone complained about when the camera was new, and I suppose the control ring adapter does something to move controls to the front of the camera.
If you dont' use it, you can turn it off. Not a big deal to worry.
I don't love the touch bar still (I think Canon will ditch it in the future). I've got ISO assigned to it, now. The control ring is great.
That's true, though they could have used that space for something that works a little better.
Really appreciate the detail you put into your reviews. Good job!
You're welcome.
Hi Dustin, I like your reviews. The only thing keeping me in doubt whether to buy this camera or not, is the burst. My question is: if you had to shoot vintage car parades (moving subjects, but not so fast as real race cars), would you trust Eos R? Are 5 fps real, with AI servo enabled? Or do they drop to 2/3 fps? Thanks a lot.
Hi there. I would say that AF will work perfectly well for your purposes.
Thanks for a great review and answering why to got the eos r. May I ask what you are using to record your sound with?
Thank you!
I use the Rode Smart Lav+ bhpho.to/34zkGEm | I record to my phone and sync in post with a custom equalization.
Well debate no more, I just snagged one - currently on Sale for $1499 with a free Godox / V1 Flash......and since I had sold all my Canon glass when I switched to Sony, also picked up the RF 24-105 - a very Merry Christmas 🤗
An amazing price!
I think it's important to note that the 1.7 crop is only when shooting 4k, which even though it looks amazing... most people aren't shooting in. SO it may not be as big of an issue if you're a 1080p shooter.
That's a big IF in 2019
Thinking about this camera and buying it, heard a few reviewers say still image quality isnt that great, just ok. Dustin whats your take on that if i may ask ?
I don't really think image quality was the problem with the EOS R. I've taken some amazing pictures with it, and with the same sensor in the 5D Mark IV before it.
Great review as always, Dustin. What are your thoughts on the new rumored Canon mirrorless and it's ability to take both RF and EF lenses without an adaptor? Is that possible?
I honestly don't know whether or not it's possible. We will see.
The RF Glass is where its at with the EOS R. I jumped out the window and got the RF15-35mm. Beautiful images and I shoot 4k video with it, gets around the crop easily with no issues
I've heard a lot of good things about that lens.
Great video Dustin , glad you have bought one , i am loving mine , the glass is mind blowing , many thanks.
There's definitely some great lenses for the system.
As a former Nikon Dslr Shooter I intended to switch to Sony. Eos R was not on my radar, then occasionally I looked into the lense roadmap, and I was blown away. Now after two month I can say : I never had a cam where autofokus worked in near darkness, I love that 50 mm 1.2 , I love the Color, I like the Body, and a lot of other stuff; Its a solid cam if you are not in the group of sport/action shooters and it gives access to the unique lense ensemble, well done canon.
This is a solid take.
Dustin, i recently purchased one, now i'm really confused on which lens to buy. I'm between the RF 24-105 4L and the Tamron 24-70 2.8 G2. Which one you would suggest? Thanks
I would go with the native lens unless you need F2.8. It's stronger than most 24-105mm lenses.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Even if i'm still keeping my old first generation EF 24-105 4L inherited from my old 6D?
Dustin, I went for the RF 24-105 as you suggested and boy, this is really something else. Thanks a million.
Hello Dustin! Thank you for this great review! I've only recently discovered you while researching for info on the eos r. I'm a long time canon user finally needing to upgrade my mk 3. I am, of course, in a great debate between the eos r and the mk 4!! I was almost sold on the r, when I started reading about evf lag due to the electronic viewfinder, and how it can make it difficult to capture moving subjects. As I am mainly a family photographer shooting little kids running around, this is concerning to me, BUT I am having a hard time finding any information about it, or finding any family photographers who use the eos r. Would you be able to address this? Is it something you've noticed? I'm also curious how the touchscreen holds up in the snow or light rain. Thank you for any insight!
That's actually an area that's been improved (lag). I have both the Mark IV and the EOS R, and I reach for the EOS R almost exclusively for general purpose shooting. The improved autofocus will allow you to get much more keepers with your little kids.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you for your reply! I'm happy to hear that! I picked one up a few days ago, just waiting for it to arrive. Very excited to try it out!
Bought mine when it came out and love it... can't wait for RF 600mm...
Big teles will be nice, though I hope Canon first tackles something like a native 100-400. If they could make it more compact (as they've done with the 70-200), that could be huge.
I couldn't imagine the price tag on an RF 600...... The image quality would be outstanding, but you'd have to get a 2nd mortgage to buy it!!
Cool sharing ...i am using RP..but , i would like to try R by myselt (since too many critics over this 1.5 years )and the price is adjusted too, since r5 is coming out ,right? ...should i buy that R now and try? Or just wait wait ? (But i know,r5/r6 definitely will be more and more expensive)....
There's no question the R5 will be much more expensive...though it looks like a killer camera. I expect even better deals on the R after this.
Dustin Abbott you are absolutely right!thanks thanks
Dustin, great report as per usual! Do all the improvements you mention also apply to the RP?
Many of them, yes.
Are all the focusing advantages in the R in the RP?
I rented the Sony A7R4 after having been drawn to Sony for years now. Their auto-focus system is unbeatable atm and the image quality is stunning, but I can't live with the sensor dust it seem to gather more than any other camera I've tried.
A buddy of mine raves about this camera all the time. In your Canon guys experience: Is this camera truly better sealed than Sony's?
I'm not sure about internal seals, but what the EOS R has that Sony doesn't is a curtain that comes to cover the sensor whenever the camera is powered off. This helps immensely to keep dust off the sensor when changing lenses.
@@DustinAbbottTWI isn't that "curtain" just the shutter? That said, why don't other companies program their mirrorless cameras to close the shutter when turned off? Will they in the future? It seems simple enough. I've never had sensor dust ever on my DSLRs.
No, it is a separate mechanism from the shutter. It's sole purpose is to protect the sensor, and the R is the only camera to have it right now.
@@DustinAbbottTWI So any specks of dust that land on this protective mechanism go where when it suddenly actuates for a single frame or a burst of shots?
Can't wait for the 14mm RF review. Would be great addition for landscape and travel photography
That's the hope, for sure!
If you care about the crop, you should get the Metabones adapter and use it with your EF glass. It has the control ring on it as well I believe (I always need the reach so I don't need it). It greatly reduces the crop. I really like the video quality over the competition considering the codecs, bitrate, and workflow (especially with the Ninja V). It turns out as high quality as my GH5s in a way faster workflow, which both run crop-circles around my Sony in every workflow category possible without the jank of the super low Sony bitrate.
Interesting, as I don't find the footage as crisp as what I get off my a9 or a7RIII.
My primary stills body is the 5dsr. I love the crunchy super sharp look for stills, but for video I like a more smooth cinematic look. I’m not sure that I like that crip of an image in video. I like a more filmic or cinematic look. You do have a good point that it’s good to have that crispness for those times when you need it.
It is hard not to get one with such a crazy deal. Have you tried it with adapter on 85mm f1.4 ef mount?
I haven't.
Can someone here tell me their experience with using the EOS R for birds photogrpahy(I generally dont do birds in flight but only stationary subjects). Do you think the 5 frames is enough for stationary birds or animals
It's fine for stationary, but not great for tracking action. The focus speed is fine, but the burst rate is very low.
Could you revisit the EOS R vs EOS RP comparison again in light of the newer firmware updates?
Probably not as I don't have an RP.
Hey Dustin , at what temperatures did you shoot this video ? My retail customers are always asking me
about real-world max cold temp recommendations. Thanks for all your videos over the years !
It was about 20 degrees F or -5C.
This video is visually AMAZING. What is your set up here?
Sony a9 + Sony FE 35mm F1.8 lens. I'm using the Genaray Contender LED spot to front light me to compensate for the backlight. P.S. That info is always at the end of my videos.
Merry Christmas to me . . . Merry Christmas to me! Just kidding. Thanks for the advice. I've been debating which full frame way to turn after selling all my Fujifilm gear. I loved the SOOC jpegs from the XT2 and XT3 but hated dealing with the RAF raw images they produced in post.
Interesting point. Sharpening is a different process with Fuji images.
Many times while owning the D750, I could simply import its raw NEF files and then click on auto correct within OS-X Photos and end up with results superior to those from the XT2 or XT3 I spent way more time trying to tweak RAF files using first Capture One, and then LR6, and then finally OS-X Photos.
It was a love hate with Fujifilm. The rafs were tough to deal with no matter what program I used. Could never get the actual reds and blues accurately of cars I take pics of. Sold the xt3.
Bought the A7III and use Capture one. Colors are now spot on.
My Eos R is great too with colors. Skin tones is where it shines.
Fuji is great for jpeg shooters.
If the prices of the RF lenses drop, I may buy more and sell my A7III.
I hope the next R model is improved.
@@ryanb8736 Thanks. In my heart I know the that Canon's RF lenses are amongst the best available anywhere optically, but find their prices a bit overwhelming for someone like me, living on Social Security to justify.
Red chair in the white snow with a green background - gorgeous.
For sure.
Just needs some reindeer’s running behind him and we’re set for Chirstmas hahahah
Would be great if you are able to review the Metabones EF - RF Speedbooster released recently specifically to reduce the 4k crop on the R/RP bodies. Though pricey for something only designed to remove the 4k crop in video.
We'll see. There's so much to cover these days that some of these more marginal accessories are harder to get to.
Jimmy Ngo a
I've had the EOS R for 3 days now and can say that I really, really love it. I used it to shoot our church's Christmas program and every image was well exposed and tack sharp. I can usually count on 10 to 20 percent being throwaways. I will miss the GPS, intervalometer, and the RC-6 wireless remote. I have the Bluetooth remote and a new intervalometer on the way. I find GPS through the Canon app a pain but that could be my Galaxy S7. The connection between the R and the phone keeps dropping and has to be repeatedly reestablished.
At the current price it can't be beat. Even better with the loyalty discount.
You do know that there is now an intervalometer built in after firmware? Switch into movie mode and you will find time-lapse as an option.
Here in the Netherlands the EOS R is around 2000 euro's i really want to make choise
EOS R Or Sony a7RIII what do you think?
The RIII is the more well rounded camera, though I do like the R
@@DustinAbbottTWI Just got my a7RIII today thanks!
Dustin, Looks like I found myself in a pickle. I am a hobbyist shooting both portraits and sports. I recently jumped from canon 5d markiii to a Sony a7iii (adapted glass) and miss the colors and have ran into lags using the Sony with flash triggers. I’m sure it may have something to do with adapted lenses but after watching this video, I am wondering if I should switch back. Any thoughts?
If you've mostly been shooting with adapted lenses, switching back should be pretty easy. There are strengths and weaknesses to all systems. You will miss the IBIS, dynamic range, and the superior tracking/burst performance of Sony, but you will probably like the ergonomics and color more on the Canon. You'll have to decide your own priorities here.
Temple Touch Media what flash triggers are you using?
Ryan B thanks for replying. I use Flashpoint R2 TTL Wireless Flash Triggers
I ordered mine yesterday using the $200 Loyalty Reward from B&H. $1,299 for camera and adapter was too good to pass up.
I have spent 10 years assembling the lenses that I have and am very happy with them. I replaced my Canon EF 24-105L (V1) with a Sigma 24-105A 2 years ago and it is VERY sharp. I have tested it against both Canon's EF and RF 24-105L's at my local camera store and the Sigma won hands down.
So for the time being I will hang on to my EF glass. After all, I will still have the 7Dm2 and for at least a while the 6Dm2.
That's a shockingly good price.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Great price! I bought my 6D Mark II just before the 2017 solar eclipse and paid $1,999 for it! Best shots ended up being from the 7D Mark II and Sigma 150-600.