New pricing from B&H Photo for the holidays: an EOS R with accessories for $1499 or with a lens for a little over $2000: bhpho.to/2GzxnFn. That's up to $1000 off, making the EOS R very attractive for that price. That's cheaper than I bought it for!!
Yes...quite a bargain Dustin. And other items are often bundled with the camera and lens. The FF mirror less market is extremely competitive...and given the competition in mirror less in other sensor configurations, one might be able to purchase the Eos R AND the Fuji XT3 for just a bit more than the Eos R and kit lens alone about a year ago.
I hear you on that point. I just received an offer for an additional 200 off, bringing the cost to 1299. I have been on the Sony ship for a while now but the price is so cheap, that I think I’m going to buy another canon. Maybe in the future all cameras will be free as a means of selling 2k-3k lenses to the consumer.
B&H sent me a $200 off (up to) offer and no sales tax when paid with PayBoo. Wife says go for it .., bless her heart, but I'm still on the fence. Currently have a 7Dm2 and 6Dm2 and the R would probable replace the 6Dm2. We travel a lot and I would really miss the having the GPS. Have until the 18th to take advantage of B&H's offer.
William Maxey I’ve used both the 6d MII & EOS R for travel & I’d go with the R for space savings (if you are ready to jump into the RF glass). Plus, it’s a better camera for stills & video
As a 6D mark II shooter I am really interested in the EOS R for these main reasons: image quality, no focus calibration, better AF, eye AF. The downsides that stop me are: battery life, no R mount tele lenses (I need a native 100-400 or a third party R mount 150-600, I'm hoping it comes out in the next years), lower fps than what I have now. I am seriously considering it though, I like my 6D2 very much and it's giving me anything I need both in landscapes and wildlife. The struggle with AF calibration is a pain though, especially since I use mostly third party lenses that sometime can be not as perfect as first party ones. I don't know, I will try to try it out with my lenses adapted to see if I enjoy it but may just be better to wait for the next iteration of the camera
@@rumtreibbaer That's the boat I think I'm in. The current $1300 EOS R sale is very tempting, but I almost exclusively shoot action, and I mainly do so with Sigma telephotos. I feel like the EVF issues and slower frame rate will bother me with this sort of shooting, and it will be a long time before I'm buying $1k RF telephotos that are decent. The 6Dii isn't a bad camera at all, so it probably makes sense to just wait for a new generation where all the compromises have been eliminated and it is just a complete step up. Now, if I were shooting portraits/landscape/etc or cared more about the first frame than the next 10 then the EOS R would be a better camera all around.
Welcome back to Canon, Dustin. As I keep telling everyone: Do you really think the 28-70 f/2L, 50mm f/1.2L, 85mm f/1.2L and fabulous f/2.8 trio was really designed for the EOS R and EOS RP? Some good things to come with this camera system and its ability to adapt EF lenses so incredibly well make it a no-brainier for Canon photographers and those looking for a camera that really works well. I just wish they could have matched the performance of the new M6 Mark II...that camera is a wicked little speed demon and makes the EOS R look like a really lethargic camera.
Well, to be fair, I didn't really leave Canon (I've owned a 5D Mark IV and 80D all along), but I do agree that Canon has more pro-grade R cameras coming.
@michael p "five-year plan" makes sense yet so many people are switching camera systems these days like other people change their socks. It's actually almost unbelievable. You can almost set your calendar to when the next wave of "I switched!!!" comments as one manufacturer leapfrogs another.
Using Canon eos r for half a year now. And my favourite feature is a manual focus assistance. It is not only very precise and reliable and joy to use, but it is also a manual replication of "eye af", when eye is being tracked and by rotating simply a focus ring on a lens eye gets perfectly in focus. That was the reason I pulled the trigger and add plenty of Zeiss and voigtlander glass to my kit.
Great to see you using the EOS R. As a R shooter myself and a fan of your reviews, I'm looking forward to seeing what seeing what accessories and lenses you try out.
Got my R three weeks ago and I'm obsessed with it. Upgraded from the 80D and it has been such a huge difference for me. The workflow with the R just feels amazing. I'll also be investing more into that RF glass. Canon is taking their mirrorless world serious so I'm not worried.
I got my EOS 6D right when the EOS R came out, I'm really happy with my 6D, but I am super jealous of the eye autofocus for portraits, and the low light performance of the EOS R is just jaw dropping at higher ISO. Only thing that holds me back is the fact that I do quite a bit of sports photography, so that's pretty much a deal breaker. I really don't want to sink the money into a 5D Mk IV only to watch them drop a Professional EOS R variant a couple of months later.
Read somewhere that R mark ii is going to be announced around May, 2020. It's pretty clear that the R ii is going to be better than 5D IV in almost every aspect. I mean if you bump up the fps little bit, add a 2nd slot and a joystick to the current R, it's already better than 5D IV. In addition to that better ergonomics, better autofocus, better weather sealing, better evf and new sensor gonna make the R ii a force to reckon with. IBIS is also a possibility.
Nothing to be jealous about. The R is maybe 1/2 stop cleaner than the 6D, which isn't noticeable in actual use. www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=canon_eos6d&attr13_1=canon_eosr&attr13_2=nikon_d750&attr13_3=sony_a7iii&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=6400&attr16_1=6400&attr16_2=6400&attr16_3=6400&attr171_1=1&normalization=compare&widget=1&x=0.148660594632093&y=-0.9975273897294425
Greetings from Croatia! I had 5d mark2 eight years, and upgrade to Eos R. I was blown away. That was the right choice for me, love it, amazing camera. Beautiful review, thanks!
I have a 5D2 in 2020 and considering the R as well. Also considering the R5 that comes out this month. I think either way I’m going to have my world turned upside down lol
Hi Dustin. I am glad u have it, can't wait for your reviews of rf glass👍 Since you have controlled ring adapter (as I do) i wanted to share with you and others my favourite way of shooting indoors with it- Camera in Manual mode with auto iso set and control ring set to exposure compensation(which effectively will be altering auto iso) - only some cameras gives you this possibility but thankfully Eos R does. Lets say you have 85mm lens - so we set 160 shutter speed(according to double the focal lenght rule - would not be comfortable shutting slower than this due to lack of is or ibis) and then set the desired aperture, and camera will set "appropriate" iso that most of the times will get you in the ballpark. Then I just turn control ring to finetune exposure either darker or brighter with peace of mind that my other settings - shutter speed and aperture stays the same. I love to shoot events/weddings like this. Its quick thanks to auto iso that always gets me in the ballpark in fast changing shooting environment and removes thinking ;-) about the settings as you end up just adjusting - darker/brighter with control ring. You also end up with the best possible quality image for the scene as iso will always be the lowest to achieve desired image as the other settings - shutter speed and F are already "maxed out". Shooting like this i have 90% keepers, I am quicker, not missing ibis as much as I set minimum comfortable shutter speed and can focus on pictures/moments more. I am not discovering anything new here ;) but not many people shoot this way and know about possibility of setting auto iso under M mode - and this feauture is awesome. Regards.
Hello. Great way to use a camera. I use the same setup with my a7ii. Difference is I use the dedicated control for exposure compensation instead of being on the lens, which would be incredible. As I think that most actions can be taken with 1/80th or 1/100th of a second, I would definitely say ibis is an incredible advantage. Just shot my cat with a manual Samyang 135 f2 at 1/60th just with aquarium light at night. Perfect sharp. Thanks for sharing.
I’ve had my EOS R since it came out last year and with the updates I agree, it’s a lot of camera for the $$. I’ve also made the switch to all RF glass (ouch). But it’s been worth it. Great glass.
I moved from APS-C to the R and damn that extra low light and bokeh is super nice! I am now missing a wide angle though, the 15-35 is amazing, it would be a killer for basically all of my uses for a wide angle lens. I am also waiting for a more budget friendly portrait lens on the 85mm range :)
I appreciate the fact that you made a new video to address the improvements that Canon has made to the camera. Most reviewers have not done that. I found this update very helpful.
Thanks for this, Dustin. After so many years avoiding Canon due to the ‘bad reputation’ of them crippling their cameras and that they were so slow going into mirrorless, I just bought into the EOS R system. First it was the set with the RF24-105 kit lens. Then added the RF35 a week after and shortly after the RF15-35. The entire system is amazingly user friendly, the lenses are spectacular, and the fully articulating screen is perfect for what I want to do with my photography. So exciting is this system to me, that I’m giving my Leica SL with M-lenses a bit of a rest; and contemplating some changes to that set-up in favor of Canon. The lack of dual card slots on the R do not concern me much as I’m just a hobbyist. The only minor annoyance is the lack of built-in intervalometer. Was not a deal breaker. I also bought the BR-E1 remote, which for my use is essential and works really well. I’m looking forward to what Canon does with future body upgrades. Although as it stands, the R is sufficient for what I need in the next few years. Didn’t think I would say this after >15 years with the hobby but, good job, Canon! Don’t let your guard down though. Sony is closing in on you for full frame camera market dominance. (And I used to own the Sony A7III too, still a great camera, but the R fits my needs better.)
I upgraded from my 80D to the R in May and have very much enjoyed. I'm sure glad I can use all of my EF, and 3rd party, lenses, since RF is too rich for my blood at this point in time (Except for the 35mm, but, in my view, I have better options than the RF at this point in time.).
Glad to hear, Dustin, that you will be reviewing more RF lenses. I did watch your original review of the R last year, and I agreed with many of the points. But I was so eager to start using the great primes that I did purchase an R, and it has turned out to be an amazing portrait camera. I've been able to customize it to have everything available with just a press or two through the EVF, including, finally, flash exposure-compensation (using the DOWN directional button to bring up the flash menu, then one more press and the FEC number-line pops up). Clearly this is not a jack-of-all-trades pro body, but it outdoes the 5DIV for portraits by a significant margin--because of its precise AF and real-time exposure feedback. There is no way to get around the cropped 4k video. It's a significant compromise, no doubt, for videographers, and Canon must move beyond it in the next R body. As for this "second look" review, it does seem that you are telling us the only reason you have bought it is so you can review lenses. Fair enough, but sort of anti-climatic after sitting through a summary of last year's videos. But that's ok! Your lens reviews are some of the best anywhere, and many photographers trust your insights. Happy holidays!
Extremely on point talk, couldn't agree more. I moved from Canon to Sony about a year ago, no regrets but sincerely hoping Canon produces a real camera for it's users in mirrorless requiring pro level bodies. I could see myself going back into using Canon if they had all the lenses and better bodies but I do wonder when that time comes what will Sony be rolling out? I wouldn't be surprised if Canon is always years behind the next great technology. I do think all users can thank Sony for bringing viable mirrorless cameras to the forefront, without them I'm not sure any of the makers would be putting any energy into this. Once you use mirrorless it would be very hard to go back as you know.
I'm not sure it's quite as doomsday as that, but Sony did leave the door a little bit open with the a7RIV. It's a great camera, but not necessarily a home run like the a7RIII was (at least in terms of feedback from my audience). Canon definitely needs a knockout in the next round.
@@DustinAbbottTWI totally agree, I think the A7RIV missed the mark a bit. I own the A7R3 and love that camera but with there was a new version with the improved AF of the R4. I find myself shooting in high iso situations so frequently the hit in noise makes that camera not appeal to me. I think in part they wanted that camera to be the megapixel king but in reality as photographers we would have found a lower megapixels version with other improvements of more value. Thanks for the reply, love your reviews and channel.
Deep pockets is an understatement my friend. That RF platform I’m betting will completely change what 35mm sensor resolution can really capture. I will jump into the RF pool at some point but not selling my EF L lenses anytime soon.
I just did the same after formative years with Canon, they fully converted to Sony full frames. Finally broke down last week and picked up the EOS R with the RF 24-70 f.2.8. What a pleasant surprise! It's so nice to have Canon color and I'm really excited for the RF line!
I went after the firmware update to Canon (Eos R) from Sony (a7riii), and after two years I am really happy that I am back I have more the feeling to be more creative and work with a far more nicer tool with Canon!
Dustin Abbott Flippy screen, better ergonomics, better lcd, better viewfinder, curtain safety, future proof mount, love Canon glass, c-log, better weather sealing, better colours, Canon gives more dept and smoothness I find Sony more digital sharp what I don’t like. Overall it’s a way better tool for me and it makes fun to work with it!
As a Sony user, even I’m considering the EOS R because of the RF glass, new price drop, and updated AF. But the single card and slower FPS for action are still issues for me. Maybe the next EOS R body will be the one for me, meanwhile the RF lineout will get more filled out with more variety and potentially affordable options. That being said, Sony A7iii and A7Riii is getting the job done fine. Can pretty much shoot anything in any situation with no real shortcomings.
As a recently switched from Canon to Sony, I mostly agree - though I am finding it a PITA having to work extra to dial out those green / yellowish skin tones...just need more time to build a preset that can auto fix at 80% of the times
Canon EOS Rm2 rumors floating around that they're already testing it, specs may come soon, and pretty sure IBIS and dual card slot are already coming. I'm highly motivated to purchase the R now for the new low price and upgrade when the next one comes, hopefully fixing the shortcomings of the first one. May as well start building my lens collection now:) I've been thinking about the A7III for a while and despite the great features I still find it missing something that really makes me wanna use it and keeps me as happy as a Canon. Canon got some kinda special sauce in their user experience, just gotta catch up a bit on the features now that they're pressured, same as Apple is doing right now.
I have adapted all of my Canon EF lenses and compatible third party lenses via the EOS-R control ring with some wonderful results and I think this is one of the strengths of this camera,..... great backward compatibility.
Love your videos Dustin. When I'm about to purchase gear I find myself at your channel often. For me, your reviews ring true. Very consistent. Purchased the R5 last night. Thanks to you, I'm going into it aware of the pluses and minuses. Keep up the good work.
Yeah, I bought an EOS RP as a backup/travel body, but as I used it I quickly fell in love with the ergonimics and the weight. Aaand now I've sold my 5D IV and got me a R too 🙈 I never would have thought this to happen...
@@1WorldAroundYou Most of the differences have to do with size, the RP is lighter (about 200g), the R is easier for me to use touch and drag for the focus points (R I have lower right quadrant to keep my fat nose from changing focus points when using my left eye, with the RP my nose is in the lower right quadrant and I need a conscious effort not to touch or use my right eye). Outside of that I'd say the R has slightly better dynamic range. The upper LCD is a non-issue for me as I have the screen flipped all the time for the focus point feature. The differentiation in the focus system that was present between 6D and 5D is not present here anymore either. IMO, if you want best picture quality and/or have larger body features -> R. If the camera should be as light and small as possible -> RP.
I'm not sure that it is a matter of forgetting about you but rather that the type of camera you need requires the most development work. You need the performance model...and a much greater number needs the "Honda Accord" that the EOS R is.
@@DustinAbbottTWI i understand your point of view but if you ever come to texas or live in our state you will find that big trucks rule and the majority of car lots have trucks over ruling cars where ever you go in this state. texas is second largest truck seller in world.
lol; sorry but us texans are little different than the rest of the country; but hence why ford , dodge , chevy love making trucks for texas. so why cant nikon , canon and sony make for rest of us. like i said i understand your point to degree but still believe they are hurting themselves;. just my thoughts;
@@turftiger2008 I suspect that it is just hard to deliver. I mean, none of the manufacturers have really delivered a spectacular mirrorless body for sports, which suggests it is just pushing the envelope. Maybe if they dropped the sensor resolution their processors could handle the pixels in realtime and make them more responsive with a higher framerate, but of course people focus on the megapixels, and then chances are you could still do better with a DSLR that doesn't have to drop resolution. While more fps would be nice I'm not a pro, so I don't need 14fps/etc. However, 6fps with an EVF that shows me what the lens is pointing at and not what the lens was pointed at 200ms ago would be a good start. Sony seems to be better but it makes me nervous that they still can't focus with an open aperture when shooting continuous. Maybe the next generation of mirrorless will make me want to switch over. It seems like they're better in every way as far as taking the FIRST shot goes, but after that they struggle.
I too bought one after the firmware updates. Loved the ring adapter right away, and then bought the cheapest RFlens (35 f1.8) which really impressed me. Within a week i traded in my MD5 Mk4 to wards the RF 70-200 (do please review). Haven't had this much fun in ages. Already lusting after that 15-35, but sure would be nice to have some cheaper lens options as well.
@@DustinAbbottTWI I have a canon 6d. It's a great camera in so many ways but one cross type AF point has killed so many shallow depth of field portraits. As you say, rule of thirds composition just compounds this problem. My hit rate is OK but I'm just a hobiest. When taking photos of family I don't want to have the camera in my hand all of the time. If I see a lovely moment I just want to nab it and put the camera back in my bag. Thanks again for all your great work. Props for doing this one in the snow.
As a former Nikon Dslr Shooter I intended to switch to Sony. Eos R was not on my radar, then occasionally I looked into the lense roadmap, and I was blown away. Now after two month I can say : I never had a cam where autofokus worked in near darkness, I love that 50 mm 1.2 , I love the Color, I like the Body, and a lot of other stuff; Its a solid cam if you are not in the group of sport/action shooters and it gives access to the unique lense ensemble, well done canon.
Slightly off topic, but I got my Canon RP 2weeks ago and I am very happy to switch from FF dslr to mirrorless system because of the reasons you mentioned. And having some nice ef lenses the change was harmless. 🙂
@@DustinAbbottTWI true! Once I used to say I'd never go mirrorless, but when I did it I cannot imagine I could shift back. Thx Dustin for poweful reviews and letting me look inside many cameras/lenses etc ✌
Dustin, thanks so much for this great video! The firmware update seems like a tie-breaker! And those RF lenses ~ Wow! I love the snow in your video! As a Northern Minnesotan, I see that weekly these days! Happy Holidays :)!
Thanks. Ironically I've gotten some people sagely telling me that the snow "I added in post looks fake". I suspect it's probably because they are from a place where they aren't too familiar with what real snow looks like!
Thank you Dustin...I always enjoy your unbiased views and educational presentations. A hobbyist, I almost pulled the trigger on the EOS R (based on price, performance and Canon firmware updates), but decided to await the EOS Rs releasing Feb. I'd like to see dual card slots (CF Express) and IBIS (performance similar to Olympus or Panasonic). Seasons Greetings!
Regarding ibis, I can tell you it will be extremely difficult to achieve the oly grounds, as the sensor is a lot smaller and the housing is not much different than ff sensors. It's impossible to rotate that much the sensor without increasing the size of the housing. My Sony a850 ff dslr has a better ibis than a7ii (by at least 2 stops) and I would say at least better by 0.5 stops compare with a7r4. So Sony knows how to do it right (they were the first ones), just doesn't have the space, and I imagine Canon and nikon will have similar difficulties. Best regards
@@DustinAbbottTWI True, but I'm betting Canon's next R iteration will include dual CF Express and perhaps IBIS. I hope they don't bog it down with a mega sensor.
I ordered mine yesterday using the $200 Loyalty Reward from B&H. $1,299 for camera and adapter was too good to pass up. I have spent 10 years assembling the lenses that I have and am very happy with them. I replaced my Canon EF 24-105L (V1) with a Sigma 24-105A 2 years ago and it is VERY sharp. I have tested it against both Canon's EF and RF 24-105L's at my local camera store and the Sigma won hands down. So for the time being I will hang on to my EF glass. After all, I will still have the 7Dm2 and for at least a while the 6Dm2.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Great price! I bought my 6D Mark II just before the 2017 solar eclipse and paid $1,999 for it! Best shots ended up being from the 7D Mark II and Sigma 150-600.
Well debate no more, I just snagged one - currently on Sale for $1499 with a free Godox / V1 Flash......and since I had sold all my Canon glass when I switched to Sony, also picked up the RF 24-105 - a very Merry Christmas 🤗
Hi Dustin, Thank you for your trustworthy reviews and comments. I watched your video yesterday and I bought the EOS R today with the regular EF to R adapter and think I need some time to get used to it. Coming from a 5D MK 3 I miss the joystick and the option to go low as ISO50 and hate the sensor bar since day one when I had the chance to try it out at the on the first day at the Photokina in 2018. I think it will grow on me over time but I don't think I am going to sell my old releiable 5D MK3 workhorse. Still love it a lot. Prices in Germany usually are higher than in other markets so it was 2500 Euros when it came out, dropped to 2300 a couple of weeks ago, down another 100 Euros last week and with the Cashback and turn in an old camera option the price with my local dealer was as low as 1799 Euros inc. 19% consumer tax as of December 10th 2019. This plus the updated firmware to 1.6 including the now amazing eye auto focus I could not resist. It's asteal for that price.
Absolutely. As long as a person has realistic expectations about what they will and won't get from the EOS R, it is actually a very satisfying camera to use and feels great in the hands.
I've had the EOS R for 3 days now and can say that I really, really love it. I used it to shoot our church's Christmas program and every image was well exposed and tack sharp. I can usually count on 10 to 20 percent being throwaways. I will miss the GPS, intervalometer, and the RC-6 wireless remote. I have the Bluetooth remote and a new intervalometer on the way. I find GPS through the Canon app a pain but that could be my Galaxy S7. The connection between the R and the phone keeps dropping and has to be repeatedly reestablished. At the current price it can't be beat. Even better with the loyalty discount.
The one of the very few guys, who is a pleasure to watch. Well done, Dustin. Do you remember what I told you about the EOS-R + RF50? ;) Glad you like it. Get your hands on the RF85. It is even better with its BR glass. The EF-RF adapter with the VND is a no-brainer for any OCF photographer - it makes a huge difference keeping you within the "normal" sync speed and being behind the lens, it is color casts free right up to the 9th stop. This reason alone is more than enough for flash and portrait photographers to get it without a 2nd thought. Not sure why you didn't mention this. I don't care much about Sony even if it can make pancakes for breakfast when I don't have even one lens (except the 24-70GM) which renders beautifully and has soul and art in it. Lenses is what matters, not the body. This is where decades of making great lenses and camera bodies comes into play. Canon have set the bar so high with the RF mount, right up there to Leica top primes, that it is super-hard for others to catch and totally impossible for Sony - too pity for them, considering the fact they own Minolta... I'm sure they will finally nail it with A7RXVIV... The focusing with aperture stopped down with their top-tier primes was driving me completely nuts. Never saw a dumber decision that this one, even my 30 y old SLR is opening up the aperture for focusing... khhh... Keep up the good work.
I didn't talk about the Variable ND drop in filter because I haven't used it and don't know firsthand that color casts are well controlled. I'm not sure that I agree about lenses without beautiful rendering on Sony. I've got at least 4 in my kit that I love.
@@DustinAbbottTWI, I feel you - beautiful rendering is highly subjective and is a matter of a personal perception. However, I'm curious to know what are these 4 that you mentioned. One of the things that shows how strong a certain brand is, is the lens system and especially great 35, 50 and 85mm fast primes, which are the most used ones.They still struggle to get a decent 35/1.4, or 1.2 lens - the Sony-Zeiss is an adapted, retro-focus lens, which is far from being great. The 50mm is totally lacking a decent one... 85 mil. discipline is a bit better, but very far from what Canon have packed into RF85, not to mention about Leica APO 90mm. Their 70-200GM is even worse than Canon EF70-200/2.8L IS II or III in terms of performance. I struggled to find a lens that I really like (Their Planar 50/1.4 could be one, but stopped down past f2)... Cheers.
I really like the Sony Zeiss Planar 50mm F1.4, the Voigtlander APO-Lanthar 65mm F2, the Samyang AF 85mm F1.4, and I also love the little Samyang AF 45mm F1.8. The 135mm F1.8 GM is also special.
@@DustinAbbottTWI, my point was for OEM (system native) lenses and not 3rd party. I could agree for the Planar 50/1.4, although it is not up to the optical performance of the RF50/1.2, it still has some soul in it. I absolutely dislike the swirly defocus character of the 135GM - it reminds me of some cheap, Russian lenses from the 80s for $20. You see, that was my point - you're getting a Sony body and start to scratch the head what lens to put on it and reaching for some MF Voigts, Sigma, Samyang, etc... Not that these are bad, but OEM lenses will always be the best choice. Sony has to focus strongly on the quality lenses instead of dropping body after body. I'm also concerned about their narrow mount, which is a huge limitation in front of designing some really great lenses. I bet the future belongs to the RF & L-mounts. Cheers.
Thanks as always for your videos, Dustin. I’ll chime in and say I’ve had an A7III for a year now and shoot landscapes with my Canon lenses via the MC-11 adapter. Coming from an older 6D, the dynamic range is pretty insane and what keeps me attached to it but if it wasn’t for that and I could still have the same file flexibility I’d gladly go for the EOS R. I know one stop difference isn’t huge but it’s nice to have if you’re lifting details from dark files frequently and it’s nice to be able to avoid the noise banding as well. Being able to get the most out of my Canon lenses would also be nice though, as video is very limited with them adapted to the Sony and I’m sure even just for stills they’d be much snappier on a proper Canon mount.
The EF lenses definitely perform better on the EOS R, but yes, Sony has still got the dynamic range edge. Here's hoping that Canon ups their game in the 2nd gen R bodies.
Here's hoping the Canon Canada will be able to supply me loaners with more consistency in 2020. They did get me the RF 50L for review, and I'm grateful for that!
I think it's important to note that the 1.7 crop is only when shooting 4k, which even though it looks amazing... most people aren't shooting in. SO it may not be as big of an issue if you're a 1080p shooter.
I'm a little skeptical on that front, though I do think that Sony opened the door a bit by the release of the a7RIV (not as universally praised as the a7RIII) and the somewhat underwhelming a9II.
The RF Glass is where its at with the EOS R. I jumped out the window and got the RF15-35mm. Beautiful images and I shoot 4k video with it, gets around the crop easily with no issues
My church is full of Sony cameras, so I bought the Canon EOS R. As the Sony cameras are a bit expensive, the EOS R was perfect for my budget. I'm impressed with the results vs the Sony.
The Canon R is quite cheap but you forgot that RF glass is extremely expensive unless you use old canon glass using adapter. Sony A7III is a bit more expensive but there are great third-party affordable lenses.
thank you for doing a follow up review. I also was very happy to say goodbye to AFMA and focus recompose. The body price that's sub-$2000 for a 5DIV sensor is a great deal. The autofocus on the R almost feels like cheating coming from a dslr. The slow burst rate in AF priority low continuous does bother me a little but for the moment I'll take the near 100% hit rate. Any good use for the touch bar? I wish they opened up a few more options for the touch bar like how you can customize other buttons.
I really like my R but when using unstabilized lenses the R6 renders above 95% tack sharp photos vs the R. Put a Sigma 85mm f1.4 on the R and R6 and more than half of the R's photos were out of focus where as the R6 was near 100% spot on. Canon's IBIS is one of the best on the market.
Hi Dustin, again excellent review and many thanks! I too prefer the adapter with the control ring over the standard adapter for the same reasons. I’m happy with my Canon RP and the additional grip accessory. Best wishes and have a nice day! Ralf
Everyone started to make Eos R is good camera buy it campaign , it feels like they are going to release eos r mark 2 on june an try to sell the stocks ....
I too am debating buying an EOS R; or a Fuji XT3. While I’ve switched to Sony earlier this year, I always knew I wasn’t abandoning Canon for good. Xt3 intrigues me as a travel camera kit - for their smaller and lighter lenses. Still can’t bring myself to a Point and Shoot....might as well use my phone for that. Great Review as Always!
Hi Dustin, I have a theory about the EOS R and why Canon seemed to miss the mark slightly with it - [cropped 4k, single SD card slot, only 30 & 60 fps in 4k & 1080p, M-fn bar... etc]. I believe the EOS R, was built as a test bed for Canon's RF lenses, to ensure they worked and produced the quality of image they wanted; which the reviews of the RF lenses support.
Canon did something similar with the EOS M. It was underspecced and panned, and then they dropped the price after a year and they sold like mad...and Canon eventually got very good market share in APS-C mirrorless.
As a Canon user since 1980, the classic A1, (still have it) firmware was available before Fuji made 'proper' cameras and was just known for their film.
It's become a wonderful camera. Has an excellent back screen, the firmware updates have really helped it grow, and the increased resolution over the Sony A7/A9 combined with some excellent glass makes all the difference. Curious, do you have plans to give a thorough review for the A9 II? I keep hearing enhanced ISO performance... That could be enough to get me to upgrade, along with the vastly improved mechanical shutter and weather sealing! None of the current "reviews" are nearly as thorough as your amazing reviews!
If you care about the crop, you should get the Metabones adapter and use it with your EF glass. It has the control ring on it as well I believe (I always need the reach so I don't need it). It greatly reduces the crop. I really like the video quality over the competition considering the codecs, bitrate, and workflow (especially with the Ninja V). It turns out as high quality as my GH5s in a way faster workflow, which both run crop-circles around my Sony in every workflow category possible without the jank of the super low Sony bitrate.
My primary stills body is the 5dsr. I love the crunchy super sharp look for stills, but for video I like a more smooth cinematic look. I’m not sure that I like that crip of an image in video. I like a more filmic or cinematic look. You do have a good point that it’s good to have that crispness for those times when you need it.
Big teles will be nice, though I hope Canon first tackles something like a native 100-400. If they could make it more compact (as they've done with the 70-200), that could be huge.
@@richardcollinsphotography1288 You can compare them on "the-digital-picture.com". To me, the Canon is slightly sharper across the frame at 1.2, but has a huge (I mean really massive) amount of vignetting compared to the Sigma. The Sigma will be bigger with the adapter, but although I'm undecided yet, I lean towards the Sigma.
With my 6 D Mark II I shoot mostly landscape photography using a tripod and manual focusing with live view on the rear display screen which performs like a mirrorless camera. I'm so spoiled with the rear display screen that I don't enjoy using the viewfinder while hand holding the camera anymore. I really want to switch to the EOS R but the battery life of the 6D Mark II is absolutely amazing! How does the EOS R battery life compare?
I still think DSLR is a better option for most people IF buying used. Most Nikon and Canon DSLR's are built like tanks. Ebay is flooded with extremely good cameras and lenses at very good prices. For instance, you can get both a 50mm, a 24mm (old AFD lenses), and a full frame 24MP Nikon D750 for less than 1,000 $. You'd have to spend 4x that for the same with an EOS R.
Please Dustin am a WEDDING AND PORTRAIT PHOTOGRAPHER AND I WANT TO UPGRADE FROM MY OLD 5DMIII TO EITHER THE EOSR OR 5DMIV PLEASE WHAT WILL BE YOUR ADVICE?
Thanks Dustin. You and the others here are certainly well versed in the use of this camera. Consequently, might I ask if you make use of the Pixel Shift feature.
Probably both of those things will happen, though I don't expect much more of a price drop on the EOS R until either a new body is here or just about here.
with a mountain of canon glass it really determines a lot, it fills a void until the r5 falls in price and its current price was a bargain for the sensor
I rented the Sony A7R4 after having been drawn to Sony for years now. Their auto-focus system is unbeatable atm and the image quality is stunning, but I can't live with the sensor dust it seem to gather more than any other camera I've tried. A buddy of mine raves about this camera all the time. In your Canon guys experience: Is this camera truly better sealed than Sony's?
I'm not sure about internal seals, but what the EOS R has that Sony doesn't is a curtain that comes to cover the sensor whenever the camera is powered off. This helps immensely to keep dust off the sensor when changing lenses.
@@DustinAbbottTWI isn't that "curtain" just the shutter? That said, why don't other companies program their mirrorless cameras to close the shutter when turned off? Will they in the future? It seems simple enough. I've never had sensor dust ever on my DSLRs.
@@DustinAbbottTWI So any specks of dust that land on this protective mechanism go where when it suddenly actuates for a single frame or a burst of shots?
Here's hoping that Sigma and Tamron support for the RF mount kicks in soon. Samyang also has a number of great FE lenses recently, and if they start to release those on an RF mount (which they seem to be doing, starting with the 14mm), that would be great!
Also a comment on the processing power. I don't think canon processors are necessarily worse than competition, but this is might be a price being paid for "double pixel". I can imagine it requires more processing power than hybrid af. On the other hand canon chose a luxury way of implementing this af, without sacrificing pixels for true color readout. But yes at the end it might be a weak point in this long time race against competitors.
Hi Dustin and thanks for this video, Canon are really killing it with the RF lenses, and it's only the beginning :-) I was thinking of purchasing a RP as a backup/holiday camera to go aside my 5D4, But i'm concerned about the lower resolution EVF and Back screen, did you have a chance to compare it to the Eos R? cheers
Hello Dustin, I have discovered your youtube channel while I was searching for the best lens calibration method. (everything was perfectly explained in your videos). My camera bodies : Canon 6d, Canon 600d, Samsung nx300 Lenses for Canon : Tamron 24-70 G2 , Tamron 70-200 G2 lenses, Canon 17-40 f4, Canon 85 1.8, Canon 50 1.8, Tamron efs 17-50 , Canon efs 10-18 and kit lenses. I want to buy a new mirrorless camera (so I could use other lenses with better focus accuracy, because of the better image quality and for making videos ). My first pick is eos R6 ( because I could also use it for videos, sports photo.. ) but for me is too expensive and I think the price is not going to fall down very soon. I also like Sony A7 III ( I could use it also for videos ) but I have seen in your videos that it has focusing problems with third party lenses..(with adapter). Maybe something changed with new firmware ? ...so after all I think the best buy is ( because of my lenses ): Canon eos R or Canon eos RP. Is there a big difference in image quality between eos R ( 5d IV sensor ) vs eos RP ( 6d II sensor ) ? There Is also an option to buy RP with Canon RF 24-105 for the price of EOS R .. or to combine it with Tamron 150 -600 G2, If there is not big difference between R and RP.
I have been searching for an answer and maybe you could provide one. I have all my L glass which is the reluctance to switch to R, however the adapter gives me some hope. My question is, how does the increase in focal length affect performance? I am a landscape and nightscape shooter and I prefer pinpoint to the edges. Thanks for the great content as always! Also, The Canon rumors board is buzzing with goodies for my needs all of a sudden. Do I wait? Hmmmm....lol
The adapter does not change either the focal length or the lens performance. You will probably actually get better performance out of many of your L series lenses due to having more accurate focus. As for what's coming - it sounds like the R5 will be fantastic. I suspect it will also be priced to match.
Dustin , I thought I'll ask you this question as you seem more non biased then most channels . A very popular channel that a couple hosts made the statement that duel pixel AF is to slow for fast moving subjects . This seems to be not a correct statement as there is a difference between AF acquisition or lock time and actual subject tracking . The two issues are separate I would think . Do you think it's the actual focus technology of duel pixel that makes it not appropriate for fast moving subjects or rather the slow processor that makes it to slow for subject tracking ?
I don't think they've got that right. The new M6 MK II does 14FPS with DPAF. On the EOS R, I think it is processor and architecture related. We'll see a more sports-oriented model, and I'm sure it will utilize some form of DPAF.
@@DustinAbbottTWI yes it was in relation to a early overview of the new 1dx vs a9 , and dual pixel came in into question . So much misinterpretation out there on youtube thanks for your response
Good step... Concerning eye AF ; in the long term I have great trust in Canon’s DPAF for their Af detection sensor is at least 4 times greater than the competition. And they are not on top of the actual sensor but embedded! If a person is full length in view, you can calculate how dens the AF sensors must be... 400 FD-CD sensors is way too low, you can draw a software box around the eye, very impressive you might think, but the camera lens combination cannot keep up. I feel comfortable about the RF system...
I'm not sure about the math, here, but what I do know is that Canon had the early edge with DPAF, so I do believe they have the capability of continuing to develop better AF technology.
I made a quick raw calculation comparing Sony A73 (693 AF points) to EOS-R (5655) If a face covers 10% of the frame Sony has 4 AF (CD or PD) points left for focusing on the eyes, the R has 36 AF (DPAF) points, what would you prefer.... the 4/36 numbers are covering a complete round face for calc simplicity
Another great video and in depth review. I just bought the R, but you are right, the lenses are pricey. I am going to have to make due with my old L glass.
well I bought one too after firmware 1,4 was out and I am thrilled till now by that. Dustin we look forward for a comparison of RF 15-35mm with EF 16-35mm and Tamron 15-30mm G2
Thanks, good video. At this point I’m going to hold out and see what the R5 looks like but I’m definitely going to upgrade my ancient 7D to a Canon mirrorless in the next 6 months. I love the Canon system and am excited about the quality of RF lenses, just not their price! But at this point I don’t have that much money invested in EF glass so I might as well get started collecting RF lenses as I can afford it.
Hi Ernie - I think that's a solid choice. I enjoy the EOS R, but it has some serious limitations that the R5 looks like it will address in spades. Just be prepared to have to lay out a LOT of cash for it.
I just received notice from both B&H and Adorama of a considerable price drop on the Canon Eos R with the excellent 24-105 lens. I suppose that Amazon will also match the price. Given the current sales situation in which Nikon has reported massive decreases in their camera sales one must suspect that the price of the Z series will also fall. Based upon Dustin's excellent reviews I will purchase the Canon.
I'm contemplating getting one due to the same sale. Honestly, the EVF slideshow/lag seems to be the biggest issue for me. I almost exclusively shoot stuff that moves in continuous, and it sounds like I can look forward to maybe 3-5fps and my viewfinder will thus be about 1/3rd-1/5th of a second behind realtime, especially with EF lenses that don't support the new high speed display option. I feel like it could be a step back from my 6Dii in that regard. My sense is that for taking single shots it is better in every way - the problem is that this isn't how I really shoot. I'd really like to go mirrorless but it seems like they're still not quite there for sports/action/etc.
@@DustinAbbottTWI can't argue with that, but I'm not sure if the a9 is able to focus with the aperature open on continuous. For that money I'd hope so but it seems like a lot of Sony cameras suffer from this.
You've taken some superb images with the R excellent colour with nice narrow DOF but you've got some equally great images with the Sony. It's great to see they're catching up, you are right about Canon do need to bring out that R mk2 improved version asap I won't be buying Canon unless they come out with something that tracks like the A9 as I do have some nice long Canon lenses for wildlife be great not to have to adapt them although I'm also impressed with what Sony has done with long lens was worth getting the 200-600mm so at least I've got a native Sony for wildlife not yet committed enough to sell my white Canon lenses or my Nikon version of the Sigma 300-800mm F5.6 the Z series are lacking too for tracking. Thanks again nice work.
I have just bought the canon eos r camera and have watched your review. You did not mention the focus tweaking and I would be interested in your comments.
New pricing from B&H Photo for the holidays: an EOS R with accessories for $1499 or with a lens for a little over $2000: bhpho.to/2GzxnFn. That's up to $1000 off, making the EOS R very attractive for that price. That's cheaper than I bought it for!!
Yes...quite a bargain Dustin. And other items are often bundled with the camera and lens. The FF mirror less market is extremely competitive...and given the competition in mirror less in other sensor configurations, one might be able to purchase the Eos R AND the Fuji XT3 for just a bit more than the Eos R and kit lens alone about a year ago.
I hear you on that point. I just received an offer for an additional 200 off, bringing the cost to 1299. I have been on the Sony ship for a while now but the price is so cheap, that I think I’m going to buy another canon. Maybe in the future all cameras will be free as a means of selling 2k-3k lenses to the consumer.
B&H sent me a $200 off (up to) offer and no sales tax when paid with PayBoo. Wife says go for it .., bless her heart, but I'm still on the fence.
Currently have a 7Dm2 and 6Dm2 and the R would probable replace the 6Dm2.
We travel a lot and I would really miss the having the GPS.
Have until the 18th to take advantage of B&H's offer.
William Maxey I’ve used both the 6d MII & EOS R for travel & I’d go with the R for space savings (if you are ready to jump into the RF glass). Plus, it’s a better camera for stills & video
Hi William, I've found that GPS logging via the app actually works fairly well. You just have to remember to engage it.
As a 6D mark II shooter I am really interested in the EOS R for these main reasons: image quality, no focus calibration, better AF, eye AF. The downsides that stop me are: battery life, no R mount tele lenses (I need a native 100-400 or a third party R mount 150-600, I'm hoping it comes out in the next years), lower fps than what I have now.
I am seriously considering it though, I like my 6D2 very much and it's giving me anything I need both in landscapes and wildlife. The struggle with AF calibration is a pain though, especially since I use mostly third party lenses that sometime can be not as perfect as first party ones.
I don't know, I will try to try it out with my lenses adapted to see if I enjoy it but may just be better to wait for the next iteration of the camera
You might be surprised at how well adapted lenses work.
'Stay with the 6dii and wait' would be my advice...on UA-cam DSLMs are hyping but a lot of photographers stick to their DSLRs...
@@rumtreibbaer That's the boat I think I'm in. The current $1300 EOS R sale is very tempting, but I almost exclusively shoot action, and I mainly do so with Sigma telephotos. I feel like the EVF issues and slower frame rate will bother me with this sort of shooting, and it will be a long time before I'm buying $1k RF telephotos that are decent.
The 6Dii isn't a bad camera at all, so it probably makes sense to just wait for a new generation where all the compromises have been eliminated and it is just a complete step up.
Now, if I were shooting portraits/landscape/etc or cared more about the first frame than the next 10 then the EOS R would be a better camera all around.
Welcome back to Canon, Dustin. As I keep telling everyone: Do you really think the 28-70 f/2L, 50mm f/1.2L, 85mm f/1.2L and fabulous f/2.8 trio was really designed for the EOS R and EOS RP? Some good things to come with this camera system and its ability to adapt EF lenses so incredibly well make it a no-brainier for Canon photographers and those looking for a camera that really works well. I just wish they could have matched the performance of the new M6 Mark II...that camera is a wicked little speed demon and makes the EOS R look like a really lethargic camera.
Well, to be fair, I didn't really leave Canon (I've owned a 5D Mark IV and 80D all along), but I do agree that Canon has more pro-grade R cameras coming.
@michael p "five-year plan" makes sense yet so many people are switching camera systems these days like other people change their socks. It's actually almost unbelievable. You can almost set your calendar to when the next wave of "I switched!!!" comments as one manufacturer leapfrogs another.
Using Canon eos r for half a year now. And my favourite feature is a manual focus assistance. It is not only very precise and reliable and joy to use, but it is also a manual replication of "eye af", when eye is being tracked and by rotating simply a focus ring on a lens eye gets perfectly in focus. That was the reason I pulled the trigger and add plenty of Zeiss and voigtlander glass to my kit.
That's very true, and one of the best features.
Great to see you using the EOS R. As a R shooter myself and a fan of your reviews, I'm looking forward to seeing what seeing what accessories and lenses you try out.
Stay tuned. First up is the review of the RF 50L
Got my R three weeks ago and I'm obsessed with it. Upgraded from the 80D and it has been such a huge difference for me. The workflow with the R just feels amazing. I'll also be investing more into that RF glass. Canon is taking their mirrorless world serious so I'm not worried.
I agree that the shooting process is generally just better with a good mirrorless camera.
I got my EOS 6D right when the EOS R came out, I'm really happy with my 6D, but I am super jealous of the eye autofocus for portraits, and the low light performance of the EOS R is just jaw dropping at higher ISO. Only thing that holds me back is the fact that I do quite a bit of sports photography, so that's pretty much a deal breaker. I really don't want to sink the money into a 5D Mk IV only to watch them drop a Professional EOS R variant a couple of months later.
If you do a lot of sports, you are probably wise to wait until this time next year and reevaluate. The 5DIV is towards the end of it's cycle
Read somewhere that R mark ii is going to be announced around May, 2020. It's pretty clear that the R ii is going to be better than 5D IV in almost every aspect. I mean if you bump up the fps little bit, add a 2nd slot and a joystick to the current R, it's already better than 5D IV. In addition to that better ergonomics, better autofocus, better weather sealing, better evf and new sensor gonna make the R ii a force to reckon with. IBIS is also a possibility.
Nothing to be jealous about. The R is maybe 1/2 stop cleaner than the 6D, which isn't noticeable in actual use.
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@Csab R is going to be the 5D equivalent for their mirrorless line up. 5D iv is due for a replacement anyway.
@@pinakijana9479 you were right!
Greetings from Croatia! I had 5d mark2 eight years, and upgrade to Eos R. I was blown away. That was the right choice for me, love it, amazing camera.
Beautiful review, thanks!
It is a pretty huge upgrade from the 5DII - particularly when it comes to AF.
I have a 5D2 in 2020 and considering the R as well. Also considering the R5 that comes out this month. I think either way I’m going to have my world turned upside down lol
Hi Dustin. I am glad u have it, can't wait for your reviews of rf glass👍
Since you have controlled ring adapter (as I do) i wanted to share with you and others my favourite way of shooting indoors with it-
Camera in Manual mode with auto iso set and control ring set to exposure compensation(which effectively will be altering auto iso) - only some cameras gives you this possibility but thankfully Eos R does.
Lets say you have 85mm lens - so we set 160 shutter speed(according to double the focal lenght rule - would not be comfortable shutting slower than this due to lack of is or ibis) and then set the desired aperture, and camera will set "appropriate" iso that most of the times will get you in the ballpark.
Then I just turn control ring to finetune exposure either darker or brighter with peace of mind that my other settings - shutter speed and aperture stays the same. I love to shoot events/weddings like this. Its quick thanks to auto iso that always gets me in the ballpark in fast changing shooting environment and removes thinking ;-) about the settings as you end up just adjusting - darker/brighter with control ring. You also end up with the best possible quality image for the scene as iso will always be the lowest to achieve desired image as the other settings - shutter speed and F are already "maxed out". Shooting like this i have 90% keepers, I am quicker, not missing ibis as much as I set minimum comfortable shutter speed and can focus on pictures/moments more.
I am not discovering anything new here ;) but not many people shoot this way and know about possibility of setting auto iso under M mode - and this feauture is awesome.
Regards.
Great feedback. Hopefully this will help someone.
Hello. Great way to use a camera. I use the same setup with my a7ii. Difference is I use the dedicated control for exposure compensation instead of being on the lens, which would be incredible. As I think that most actions can be taken with 1/80th or 1/100th of a second, I would definitely say ibis is an incredible advantage. Just shot my cat with a manual Samyang 135 f2 at 1/60th just with aquarium light at night. Perfect sharp. Thanks for sharing.
Igor Igrek Thanks for telling this, which I never know after using the R for 14 months.
I’ve had my EOS R since it came out last year and with the updates I agree, it’s a lot of camera for the $$. I’ve also made the switch to all RF glass (ouch). But it’s been worth it. Great glass.
Ouch is right, but to be fair, a lot of the glass is pretty exceptional.
RF glass is amazing
Sam Hartwig loving it so far!
I moved from APS-C to the R and damn that extra low light and bokeh is super nice!
I am now missing a wide angle though, the 15-35 is amazing, it would be a killer for basically all of my uses for a wide angle lens. I am also waiting for a more budget friendly portrait lens on the 85mm range :)
Giacomo Zonco if you can muster the cost, the RF 15-35mm f2.8L IS is worthwhile for sure.
I appreciate the fact that you made a new video to address the improvements that Canon has made to the camera. Most reviewers have not done that. I found this update very helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
Once the latest firmware came out I bought one also. I am really enjoying this camera
Glad to hear it.
Thanks for this, Dustin. After so many years avoiding Canon due to the ‘bad reputation’ of them crippling their cameras and that they were so slow going into mirrorless, I just bought into the EOS R system. First it was the set with the RF24-105 kit lens. Then added the RF35 a week after and shortly after the RF15-35. The entire system is amazingly user friendly, the lenses are spectacular, and the fully articulating screen is perfect for what I want to do with my photography. So exciting is this system to me, that I’m giving my Leica SL with M-lenses a bit of a rest; and contemplating some changes to that set-up in favor of Canon. The lack of dual card slots on the R do not concern me much as I’m just a hobbyist. The only minor annoyance is the lack of built-in intervalometer. Was not a deal breaker. I also bought the BR-E1 remote, which for my use is essential and works really well. I’m looking forward to what Canon does with future body upgrades. Although as it stands, the R is sufficient for what I need in the next few years. Didn’t think I would say this after >15 years with the hobby but, good job, Canon! Don’t let your guard down though. Sony is closing in on you for full frame camera market dominance. (And I used to own the Sony A7III too, still a great camera, but the R fits my needs better.)
Good news - they have added an intervalometer via firmware.
Dustin Abbott Awesome! Thanks for the update!
I upgraded from my 80D to the R in May and have very much enjoyed. I'm sure glad I can use all of my EF, and 3rd party, lenses, since RF is too rich for my blood at this point in time (Except for the 35mm, but, in my view, I have better options than the RF at this point in time.).
Fortunately there is very little negative tradeoff in using the EF lenses other than the extra bit of length.
Glad to hear, Dustin, that you will be reviewing more RF lenses. I did watch your original review of the R last year, and I agreed with many of the points. But I was so eager to start using the great primes that I did purchase an R, and it has turned out to be an amazing portrait camera. I've been able to customize it to have everything available with just a press or two through the EVF, including, finally, flash exposure-compensation (using the DOWN directional button to bring up the flash menu, then one more press and the FEC number-line pops up). Clearly this is not a jack-of-all-trades pro body, but it outdoes the 5DIV for portraits by a significant margin--because of its precise AF and real-time exposure feedback.
There is no way to get around the cropped 4k video. It's a significant compromise, no doubt, for videographers, and Canon must move beyond it in the next R body.
As for this "second look" review, it does seem that you are telling us the only reason you have bought it is so you can review lenses. Fair enough, but sort of anti-climatic after sitting through a summary of last year's videos. But that's ok! Your lens reviews are some of the best anywhere, and many photographers trust your insights. Happy holidays!
To be fair, I did praise the improved aspects of the camera, though many of its limitations do remain.
Extremely on point talk, couldn't agree more. I moved from Canon to Sony about a year ago, no regrets but sincerely hoping Canon produces a real camera for it's users in mirrorless requiring pro level bodies. I could see myself going back into using Canon if they had all the lenses and better bodies but I do wonder when that time comes what will Sony be rolling out? I wouldn't be surprised if Canon is always years behind the next great technology. I do think all users can thank Sony for bringing viable mirrorless cameras to the forefront, without them I'm not sure any of the makers would be putting any energy into this. Once you use mirrorless it would be very hard to go back as you know.
I'm not sure it's quite as doomsday as that, but Sony did leave the door a little bit open with the a7RIV. It's a great camera, but not necessarily a home run like the a7RIII was (at least in terms of feedback from my audience). Canon definitely needs a knockout in the next round.
@@DustinAbbottTWI totally agree, I think the A7RIV missed the mark a bit. I own the A7R3 and love that camera but with there was a new version with the improved AF of the R4. I find myself shooting in high iso situations so frequently the hit in noise makes that camera not appeal to me. I think in part they wanted that camera to be the megapixel king but in reality as photographers we would have found a lower megapixels version with other improvements of more value. Thanks for the reply, love your reviews and channel.
Greetings from Europe and thank you very much for your work, keep it up!!!
You're welcome!
Deep pockets is an understatement my friend. That RF platform I’m betting will completely change what 35mm sensor resolution can really capture. I will jump into the RF pool at some point but not selling my EF L lenses anytime soon.
You're probably right between the combination of high resolution lenses and the possibility of as much as 75Mp resolution
I just did the same after formative years with Canon, they fully converted to Sony full frames. Finally broke down last week and picked up the EOS R with the RF 24-70 f.2.8. What a pleasant surprise! It's so nice to have Canon color and I'm really excited for the RF line!
I'm glad you are enjoying it.
Cabins colors are great for jpeg shooters.
I went after the firmware update to Canon (Eos R) from Sony (a7riii), and after two years I am really happy
that I am back I have more the feeling to be more creative and work with a far more nicer tool with Canon!
Interesting. What did you feel you got with the EOS R that you didn't on the a7RIII?
Dustin Abbott Flippy screen, better ergonomics, better lcd, better viewfinder, curtain safety, future proof mount, love Canon glass, c-log, better weather sealing, better colours, Canon gives more dept and smoothness I find Sony more digital sharp what I don’t like. Overall it’s a way better tool for me and it makes fun to work with it!
Interesting. I would give you ergonomics if that touchbar were a joystick instead :)
I bought one too , so I can start using the RF glass and for video functions. Yes yes I’ve made the switch.
Enjoy!
As a Sony user, even I’m considering the EOS R because of the RF glass, new price drop, and updated AF. But the single card and slower FPS for action are still issues for me. Maybe the next EOS R body will be the one for me, meanwhile the RF lineout will get more filled out with more variety and potentially affordable options. That being said, Sony A7iii and A7Riii is getting the job done fine. Can pretty much shoot anything in any situation with no real shortcomings.
This is a fair take, for sure.
As a recently switched from Canon to Sony, I mostly agree - though I am finding it a PITA having to work extra to dial out those green / yellowish skin tones...just need more time to build a preset that can auto fix at 80% of the times
Canon EOS Rm2 rumors floating around that they're already testing it, specs may come soon, and pretty sure IBIS and dual card slot are already coming. I'm highly motivated to purchase the R now for the new low price and upgrade when the next one comes, hopefully fixing the shortcomings of the first one. May as well start building my lens collection now:) I've been thinking about the A7III for a while and despite the great features I still find it missing something that really makes me wanna use it and keeps me as happy as a Canon. Canon got some kinda special sauce in their user experience, just gotta catch up a bit on the features now that they're pressured, same as Apple is doing right now.
I have adapted all of my Canon EF lenses and compatible third party lenses via the EOS-R control ring with some wonderful results and I think this is one of the strengths of this camera,..... great backward compatibility.
Absolutely. They did a great job with that.
Love your videos Dustin. When I'm about to purchase gear I find myself at your channel often. For me, your reviews ring true. Very consistent. Purchased the R5 last night. Thanks to you, I'm going into it aware of the pluses and minuses. Keep up the good work.
That's very high praise. I value being credible, unbiased, and honest.
I'm really slipping mentally. Purchased the Eos R, duh!
It depends what you are after.... Had sony a7iii and couldn't get used to colors it produced, took it back and got eosr and couldn't be happier.
You're not the first to say that.
Yeah, I bought an EOS RP as a backup/travel body, but as I used it I quickly fell in love with the ergonimics and the weight. Aaand now I've sold my 5D IV and got me a R too 🙈 I never would have thought this to happen...
It's a changing landscape.
Any differences between R and RP you noticed?
@@1WorldAroundYou Most of the differences have to do with size, the RP is lighter (about 200g), the R is easier for me to use touch and drag for the focus points (R I have lower right quadrant to keep my fat nose from changing focus points when using my left eye, with the RP my nose is in the lower right quadrant and I need a conscious effort not to touch or use my right eye).
Outside of that I'd say the R has slightly better dynamic range. The upper LCD is a non-issue for me as I have the screen flipped all the time for the focus point feature. The differentiation in the focus system that was present between 6D and 5D is not present here anymore either. IMO, if you want best picture quality and/or have larger body features -> R. If the camera should be as light and small as possible -> RP.
why oh why are these manufactures forgetting about us action, sports, and wildlife photography? great review btw
I'm not sure that it is a matter of forgetting about you but rather that the type of camera you need requires the most development work. You need the performance model...and a much greater number needs the "Honda Accord" that the EOS R is.
@@DustinAbbottTWI i understand your point of view but if you ever come to texas or live in our state you will find that big trucks rule and the majority of car lots have trucks over ruling cars where ever you go in this state. texas is second largest truck seller in world.
lol; sorry but us texans are little different than the rest of the country; but hence why ford , dodge , chevy love making trucks for texas. so why cant nikon , canon and sony make for rest of us. like i said i understand your point to degree but still believe they are hurting themselves;. just my thoughts;
@@turftiger2008 I suspect that it is just hard to deliver. I mean, none of the manufacturers have really delivered a spectacular mirrorless body for sports, which suggests it is just pushing the envelope. Maybe if they dropped the sensor resolution their processors could handle the pixels in realtime and make them more responsive with a higher framerate, but of course people focus on the megapixels, and then chances are you could still do better with a DSLR that doesn't have to drop resolution.
While more fps would be nice I'm not a pro, so I don't need 14fps/etc. However, 6fps with an EVF that shows me what the lens is pointing at and not what the lens was pointed at 200ms ago would be a good start. Sony seems to be better but it makes me nervous that they still can't focus with an open aperture when shooting continuous.
Maybe the next generation of mirrorless will make me want to switch over. It seems like they're better in every way as far as taking the FIRST shot goes, but after that they struggle.
@@RichFreeman great feedback. Thanks for your thoughts
I too bought one after the firmware updates. Loved the ring adapter right away, and then bought the cheapest RFlens (35 f1.8) which really impressed me. Within a week i traded in my MD5 Mk4 to wards the RF 70-200 (do please review). Haven't had this much fun in ages. Already lusting after that 15-35, but sure would be nice to have some cheaper lens options as well.
I plan to get to the 70-200 as soon as Canon can get me a loaner (ditto on the 15-35).
Thank you Dustin, it's time for me to buy one. No more focus and recompose!
That is one of the best things about mirrorless
@@DustinAbbottTWI I have a canon 6d. It's a great camera in so many ways but one cross type AF point has killed so many shallow depth of field portraits. As you say, rule of thirds composition just compounds this problem. My hit rate is OK but I'm just a hobiest. When taking photos of family I don't want to have the camera in my hand all of the time. If I see a lovely moment I just want to nab it and put the camera back in my bag.
Thanks again for all your great work.
Props for doing this one in the snow.
As a former Nikon Dslr Shooter I intended to switch to Sony. Eos R was not on my radar, then occasionally I looked into the lense roadmap, and I was blown away. Now after two month I can say : I never had a cam where autofokus worked in near darkness, I love that 50 mm 1.2 , I love the Color, I like the Body, and a lot of other stuff; Its a solid cam if you are not in the group of sport/action shooters and it gives access to the unique lense ensemble, well done canon.
This is a solid take.
Slightly off topic, but I got my Canon RP 2weeks ago and I am very happy to switch from FF dslr to mirrorless system because of the reasons you mentioned. And having some nice ef lenses the change was harmless. 🙂
The really did a great job of allowing EF lenses to work seamlessly.
@@DustinAbbottTWI true! Once I used to say I'd never go mirrorless, but when I did it I cannot imagine I could shift back. Thx Dustin for poweful reviews and letting me look inside many cameras/lenses etc ✌
Canon's glass offerings are compelling, they need to upscale their new little crop sensor MILC to 135, and then we're talking.
I think that's coming
Dustin, thanks so much for this great video! The firmware update seems like a tie-breaker! And those RF lenses ~ Wow! I love the snow in your video! As a Northern Minnesotan, I see that weekly these days! Happy Holidays :)!
Thanks. Ironically I've gotten some people sagely telling me that the snow "I added in post looks fake". I suspect it's probably because they are from a place where they aren't too familiar with what real snow looks like!
Thank you Dustin...I always enjoy your unbiased views and educational presentations. A hobbyist, I almost pulled the trigger on the EOS R (based on price, performance and Canon firmware updates), but decided to await the EOS Rs releasing Feb. I'd like to see dual card slots (CF Express) and IBIS (performance similar to Olympus or Panasonic). Seasons Greetings!
It sounds like you are going off rumors. We'll see if all of that materializes.
Regarding ibis, I can tell you it will be extremely difficult to achieve the oly grounds, as the sensor is a lot smaller and the housing is not much different than ff sensors. It's impossible to rotate that much the sensor without increasing the size of the housing. My Sony a850 ff dslr has a better ibis than a7ii (by at least 2 stops) and I would say at least better by 0.5 stops compare with a7r4. So Sony knows how to do it right (they were the first ones), just doesn't have the space, and I imagine Canon and nikon will have similar difficulties. Best regards
@@luisfilipelopes2900 It seems to work quit well in the S1/S1R/S1H. I guess we'll have to see how/if Canon is serious about IBIS. Seasons Greetings!
@@DustinAbbottTWI True, but I'm betting Canon's next R iteration will include dual CF Express and perhaps IBIS. I hope they don't bog it down with a mega sensor.
I ordered mine yesterday using the $200 Loyalty Reward from B&H. $1,299 for camera and adapter was too good to pass up.
I have spent 10 years assembling the lenses that I have and am very happy with them. I replaced my Canon EF 24-105L (V1) with a Sigma 24-105A 2 years ago and it is VERY sharp. I have tested it against both Canon's EF and RF 24-105L's at my local camera store and the Sigma won hands down.
So for the time being I will hang on to my EF glass. After all, I will still have the 7Dm2 and for at least a while the 6Dm2.
That's a shockingly good price.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Great price! I bought my 6D Mark II just before the 2017 solar eclipse and paid $1,999 for it! Best shots ended up being from the 7D Mark II and Sigma 150-600.
Well debate no more, I just snagged one - currently on Sale for $1499 with a free Godox / V1 Flash......and since I had sold all my Canon glass when I switched to Sony, also picked up the RF 24-105 - a very Merry Christmas 🤗
An amazing price!
Hi Dustin, Thank you for your trustworthy reviews and comments. I watched your video yesterday and I bought the EOS R today with the regular EF to R adapter and think I need some time to get used to it. Coming from a 5D MK 3 I miss the joystick and the option to go low as ISO50 and hate the sensor bar since day one when I had the chance to try it out at the on the first day at the Photokina in 2018. I think it will grow on me over time but I don't think I am going to sell my old releiable 5D MK3 workhorse. Still love it a lot.
Prices in Germany usually are higher than in other markets so it was 2500 Euros when it came out, dropped to 2300 a couple of weeks ago, down another 100 Euros last week and with the Cashback and turn in an old camera option the price with my local dealer was as low as 1799 Euros inc. 19% consumer tax as of December 10th 2019. This plus the updated firmware to 1.6 including the now amazing eye auto focus I could not resist. It's asteal for that price.
The sensor bar is not something I expect to see in future R bodies. No one really seems to love it.
I just added a second R to my arsenal. It’s not perfect but it does what I need. Eye autofocus for events it’s awesome.
Absolutely. As long as a person has realistic expectations about what they will and won't get from the EOS R, it is actually a very satisfying camera to use and feels great in the hands.
Great reviews!
Bought a EOS RP and paired it with the RF 28-70mm F2, 15-35mm F2.8 and 70-200mm F2.8. Best 10 grand i've ever spent.
That's some serious glass to marry to the EOS RP!
Mmm... i would have gone for eos r which has weather sealing and battery grip support
I've had the EOS R for 3 days now and can say that I really, really love it. I used it to shoot our church's Christmas program and every image was well exposed and tack sharp. I can usually count on 10 to 20 percent being throwaways. I will miss the GPS, intervalometer, and the RC-6 wireless remote. I have the Bluetooth remote and a new intervalometer on the way. I find GPS through the Canon app a pain but that could be my Galaxy S7. The connection between the R and the phone keeps dropping and has to be repeatedly reestablished.
At the current price it can't be beat. Even better with the loyalty discount.
You do know that there is now an intervalometer built in after firmware? Switch into movie mode and you will find time-lapse as an option.
EOS R used for around $1100 in 2020 or Fujifilm X-T4. If you had to do one or the other and want to shoot 4K but also take great stills.
That's impossible to respond to, as the X-T4 doesn't exist yet.
The one of the very few guys, who is a pleasure to watch. Well done, Dustin. Do you remember what I told you about the EOS-R + RF50? ;) Glad you like it. Get your hands on the RF85. It is even better with its BR glass.
The EF-RF adapter with the VND is a no-brainer for any OCF photographer - it makes a huge difference keeping you within the "normal" sync speed and being behind the lens, it is color casts free right up to the 9th stop. This reason alone is more than enough for flash and portrait photographers to get it without a 2nd thought. Not sure why you didn't mention this.
I don't care much about Sony even if it can make pancakes for breakfast when I don't have even one lens (except the 24-70GM) which renders beautifully and has soul and art in it. Lenses is what matters, not the body.
This is where decades of making great lenses and camera bodies comes into play. Canon have set the bar so high with the RF mount, right up there to Leica top primes, that it is super-hard for others to catch and totally impossible for Sony - too pity for them, considering the fact they own Minolta... I'm sure they will finally nail it with A7RXVIV... The focusing with aperture stopped down with their top-tier primes was driving me completely nuts. Never saw a dumber decision that this one, even my 30 y old SLR is opening up the aperture for focusing... khhh...
Keep up the good work.
I didn't talk about the Variable ND drop in filter because I haven't used it and don't know firsthand that color casts are well controlled. I'm not sure that I agree about lenses without beautiful rendering on Sony. I've got at least 4 in my kit that I love.
@@DustinAbbottTWI, I feel you - beautiful rendering is highly subjective and is a matter of a personal perception.
However, I'm curious to know what are these 4 that you mentioned. One of the things that shows how strong a certain brand is, is the lens system and especially great 35, 50 and 85mm fast primes, which are the most used ones.They still struggle to get a decent 35/1.4, or 1.2 lens - the Sony-Zeiss is an adapted, retro-focus lens, which is far from being great. The 50mm is totally lacking a decent one... 85 mil. discipline is a bit better, but very far from what Canon have packed into RF85, not to mention about Leica APO 90mm. Their 70-200GM is even worse than Canon EF70-200/2.8L IS II or III in terms of performance. I struggled to find a lens that I really like (Their Planar 50/1.4 could be one, but stopped down past f2)...
Cheers.
I really like the Sony Zeiss Planar 50mm F1.4, the Voigtlander APO-Lanthar 65mm F2, the Samyang AF 85mm F1.4, and I also love the little Samyang AF 45mm F1.8. The 135mm F1.8 GM is also special.
@@DustinAbbottTWI, my point was for OEM (system native) lenses and not 3rd party. I could agree for the Planar 50/1.4, although it is not up to the optical performance of the RF50/1.2, it still has some soul in it. I absolutely dislike the swirly defocus character of the 135GM - it reminds me of some cheap, Russian lenses from the 80s for $20. You see, that was my point - you're getting a Sony body and start to scratch the head what lens to put on it and reaching for some MF Voigts, Sigma, Samyang, etc... Not that these are bad, but OEM lenses will always be the best choice. Sony has to focus strongly on the quality lenses instead of dropping body after body. I'm also concerned about their narrow mount, which is a huge limitation in front of designing some really great lenses. I bet the future belongs to the RF & L-mounts.
Cheers.
Thanks as always for your videos, Dustin. I’ll chime in and say I’ve had an A7III for a year now and shoot landscapes with my Canon lenses via the MC-11 adapter. Coming from an older 6D, the dynamic range is pretty insane and what keeps me attached to it but if it wasn’t for that and I could still have the same file flexibility I’d gladly go for the EOS R. I know one stop difference isn’t huge but it’s nice to have if you’re lifting details from dark files frequently and it’s nice to be able to avoid the noise banding as well. Being able to get the most out of my Canon lenses would also be nice though, as video is very limited with them adapted to the Sony and I’m sure even just for stills they’d be much snappier on a proper Canon mount.
The EF lenses definitely perform better on the EOS R, but yes, Sony has still got the dynamic range edge. Here's hoping that Canon ups their game in the 2nd gen R bodies.
The setting with all that snow looks amazing. Very cool Dustin. I'm in South Texas and we don't get snow. :-) Love all your videos.
It probably would have been a little warmer filming in Texas ;)
I bought one too!!! Just waiting for your review of the new 24-70!! and the announcement of the new sigma rf lenses!!
Here's hoping the Canon Canada will be able to supply me loaners with more consistency in 2020. They did get me the RF 50L for review, and I'm grateful for that!
@@DustinAbbottTWI ye lets hope that they will!! Thank you for always making the best videos
I think it's important to note that the 1.7 crop is only when shooting 4k, which even though it looks amazing... most people aren't shooting in. SO it may not be as big of an issue if you're a 1080p shooter.
That's a big IF in 2019
Red chair in the white snow with a green background - gorgeous.
For sure.
Just needs some reindeer’s running behind him and we’re set for Chirstmas hahahah
I love the snow falling effect you did in post production.
I didn't. Looks fake!
That's not post - that's live.
That's hilarious, as there's nothing fake about it.
Dustin Abbott 😂😂😂 “that you did in post production”
He also added the red chair.
Sure by the end of 2020 canon mirrorless camera rule the world
I'm a little skeptical on that front, though I do think that Sony opened the door a bit by the release of the a7RIV (not as universally praised as the a7RIII) and the somewhat underwhelming a9II.
Nope
In 2018 before the launch of the R, they were predicted to rule the world by 2019. Didn't go so well...
R5 and R6 are proving you right
The RF Glass is where its at with the EOS R. I jumped out the window and got the RF15-35mm. Beautiful images and I shoot 4k video with it, gets around the crop easily with no issues
I've heard a lot of good things about that lens.
My church is full of Sony cameras, so I bought the Canon EOS R. As the Sony cameras are a bit expensive, the EOS R was perfect for my budget. I'm impressed with the results vs the Sony.
Enjoy!
The Canon R is quite cheap but you forgot that RF glass is extremely expensive unless you use old canon glass using adapter.
Sony A7III is a bit more expensive but there are great third-party affordable lenses.
@@MrNils3373 Definitely expensive!! I have the adapter and the used EF market is huge 😅👍 From L series to Tamron and Sigma 😊
MrNils3373 not anymore. A7III and EOS R are essentially the same price
Nice review update, very balanced and as always unbiased. Hey I love your Brown Coat!
Thanks, I get a lot of positive feedback on that coat.
indeed a rare occurrence to see a Canon firmware that ADDS FEATURES.
Usually their firmware is NEXT MODEL
There's some truth to that, but I think it is paying off for them.
micheal bolton Apart from Fuji which one adds new features with firmware updates?
thank you for doing a follow up review. I also was very happy to say goodbye to AFMA and focus recompose. The body price that's sub-$2000 for a 5DIV sensor is a great deal. The autofocus on the R almost feels like cheating coming from a dslr. The slow burst rate in AF priority low continuous does bother me a little but for the moment I'll take the near 100% hit rate. Any good use for the touch bar? I wish they opened up a few more options for the touch bar like how you can customize other buttons.
I'm currently using the touch bar for ISO. It works, but not as well as just have a wheel there would have.
I really like my R but when using unstabilized lenses the R6 renders above 95% tack sharp photos vs the R. Put a Sigma 85mm f1.4 on the R and R6 and more than half of the R's photos were out of focus where as the R6 was near 100% spot on. Canon's IBIS is one of the best on the market.
That's a really valid point. I bought an R5 and quickly sold my R afterward. The R is a good camera; the R5 and R6 are great cameras.
Hi Dustin, again excellent review and many thanks! I too prefer the adapter with the control ring over the standard adapter for the same reasons. I’m happy with my Canon RP and the additional grip accessory. Best wishes and have a nice day! Ralf
The control ring adapter is great!
Everyone started to make Eos R is good camera buy it campaign , it feels like they are going to release eos r mark 2 on june an try to sell the stocks ....
They've definitely suddenly dropped prices.
I too am debating buying an EOS R; or a Fuji XT3. While I’ve switched to Sony earlier this year, I always knew I wasn’t abandoning Canon for good. Xt3 intrigues me as a travel camera kit - for their smaller and lighter lenses. Still can’t bring myself to a Point and Shoot....might as well use my phone for that. Great Review as Always!
Both cameras are solid. The X-T3 is definitely going to be the winner if your priority is small and light.
try an m50 for travel, its cheap enough even the rp is buttons now in grey
The EOSR and the 35mm is pretty small and probably the same price as an xt3 and their 23mm.
AcidicDelusion Yup, I plan to get exactly that lens as I snagged the EOS R for $1499 on sale currently @ Adorama
Hi Dustin, I have a theory about the EOS R and why Canon seemed to miss the mark slightly with it - [cropped 4k, single SD card slot, only 30 & 60 fps in 4k & 1080p, M-fn bar... etc]. I believe the EOS R, was built as a test bed for Canon's RF lenses, to ensure they worked and produced the quality of image they wanted; which the reviews of the RF lenses support.
Canon did something similar with the EOS M. It was underspecced and panned, and then they dropped the price after a year and they sold like mad...and Canon eventually got very good market share in APS-C mirrorless.
Can't wait for the 14mm RF review. Would be great addition for landscape and travel photography
That's the hope, for sure!
You may also thank Fujifilm to establish the manner of updating Firmware. Before Fujifilm started this, you had to buy a new Camera.
Interesting. I didn't know that.
As a Canon user since 1980, the classic A1, (still have it) firmware was available before Fuji made 'proper' cameras and was just known for their film.
Thank you for this video Dustin. Finally made my mind up and have bought the R + Adapter + the 35mm R lens
Enjoy!
It's become a wonderful camera. Has an excellent back screen, the firmware updates have really helped it grow, and the increased resolution over the Sony A7/A9 combined with some excellent glass makes all the difference. Curious, do you have plans to give a thorough review for the A9 II? I keep hearing enhanced ISO performance... That could be enough to get me to upgrade, along with the vastly improved mechanical shutter and weather sealing! None of the current "reviews" are nearly as thorough as your amazing reviews!
I do hope to cover it, but I have to arrange a loaner.
If you care about the crop, you should get the Metabones adapter and use it with your EF glass. It has the control ring on it as well I believe (I always need the reach so I don't need it). It greatly reduces the crop. I really like the video quality over the competition considering the codecs, bitrate, and workflow (especially with the Ninja V). It turns out as high quality as my GH5s in a way faster workflow, which both run crop-circles around my Sony in every workflow category possible without the jank of the super low Sony bitrate.
Interesting, as I don't find the footage as crisp as what I get off my a9 or a7RIII.
My primary stills body is the 5dsr. I love the crunchy super sharp look for stills, but for video I like a more smooth cinematic look. I’m not sure that I like that crip of an image in video. I like a more filmic or cinematic look. You do have a good point that it’s good to have that crispness for those times when you need it.
I think Sony won the battle but Canon will win the war because they have a better mount system in my opinion. Love the lens ring adjusting iso.
The RF mount is a good one, for sure, though Sigma just proved that doing F1.2 is possible on the FE mount, too.
Really appreciate the detail you put into your reviews. Good job!
You're welcome.
Bought mine when it came out and love it... can't wait for RF 600mm...
Big teles will be nice, though I hope Canon first tackles something like a native 100-400. If they could make it more compact (as they've done with the 70-200), that could be huge.
I couldn't imagine the price tag on an RF 600...... The image quality would be outstanding, but you'd have to get a 2nd mortgage to buy it!!
Rf 50mm is the craziest lens I’ve ever shot with .
It's pretty amazing. It's huge, but amazing.
@@DustinAbbottTWI How does it compare to the Sigma 50mm 1.4 art? Would it be worth the switch?
You should try the RF 28-70 f/2 Insanely sharp and good.
Lavli Singh, it's a magical lens
@@richardcollinsphotography1288 You can compare them on "the-digital-picture.com". To me, the Canon is slightly sharper across the frame at 1.2, but has a huge (I mean really massive) amount of vignetting compared to the Sigma. The Sigma will be bigger with the adapter, but although I'm undecided yet, I lean towards the Sigma.
Thanks so very much for the EOS R update post 1.4 firmware improvements. Glad you came in out of the cold : >}
LOL - it's still pretty cold around here.
I’m between the EOS R, R5 or Sony R IV. The colors are very nice on all 3
I'm still waiting to test the R5. It seems like it might be the most versatile of the trio, but I can't give a verdict without testing.
With my 6 D Mark II I shoot mostly landscape photography using a tripod and manual focusing with live view on the rear display screen which performs like a mirrorless camera. I'm so spoiled with the rear display screen that I don't enjoy using the viewfinder while hand holding the camera anymore. I really want to switch to the EOS R but the battery life of the 6D Mark II is absolutely amazing! How does the EOS R battery life compare?
I haven't found a huge difference, actually.
Con el tiempo de uso la va a amar cada día más, esa cámara,es maravillosa.
Definitivamente es una gran cámara
Great video Dustin , glad you have bought one , i am loving mine , the glass is mind blowing , many thanks.
There's definitely some great lenses for the system.
I still think DSLR is a better option for most people IF buying used.
Most Nikon and Canon DSLR's are built like tanks. Ebay is flooded with extremely good cameras and lenses at very good prices. For instance, you can get both a 50mm, a 24mm (old AFD lenses), and a full frame 24MP Nikon D750 for less than 1,000 $. You'd have to spend 4x that for the same with an EOS R.
That's probably true...though you are also getting older tech.
Please Dustin am a WEDDING AND PORTRAIT PHOTOGRAPHER AND I WANT TO UPGRADE FROM MY OLD 5DMIII TO EITHER THE EOSR OR 5DMIV PLEASE WHAT WILL BE YOUR ADVICE?
Thanks Dustin.
You and the others here are certainly well versed in the use of this camera. Consequently, might I ask if you make use of the Pixel Shift feature.
I don't use it.
I am waiting for the pro EOS R to come out for a year and the original EOR's price to come down before picking it up. The eye AF looks sexy though.
Probably both of those things will happen, though I don't expect much more of a price drop on the EOS R until either a new body is here or just about here.
That’s when I am coming in too....as soon as the Pro model is announced and the orig drops to around $1500
with a mountain of canon glass it really determines a lot, it fills a void until the r5 falls in price and its current price was a bargain for the sensor
fair enough.
I rented the Sony A7R4 after having been drawn to Sony for years now. Their auto-focus system is unbeatable atm and the image quality is stunning, but I can't live with the sensor dust it seem to gather more than any other camera I've tried.
A buddy of mine raves about this camera all the time. In your Canon guys experience: Is this camera truly better sealed than Sony's?
I'm not sure about internal seals, but what the EOS R has that Sony doesn't is a curtain that comes to cover the sensor whenever the camera is powered off. This helps immensely to keep dust off the sensor when changing lenses.
@@DustinAbbottTWI isn't that "curtain" just the shutter? That said, why don't other companies program their mirrorless cameras to close the shutter when turned off? Will they in the future? It seems simple enough. I've never had sensor dust ever on my DSLRs.
No, it is a separate mechanism from the shutter. It's sole purpose is to protect the sensor, and the R is the only camera to have it right now.
@@DustinAbbottTWI So any specks of dust that land on this protective mechanism go where when it suddenly actuates for a single frame or a burst of shots?
Would buy one if the glass wasn't so much . Tamron is only making Sony more affordable and a better option with such good lenses lately.
Here's hoping that Sigma and Tamron support for the RF mount kicks in soon. Samyang also has a number of great FE lenses recently, and if they start to release those on an RF mount (which they seem to be doing, starting with the 14mm), that would be great!
Also a comment on the processing power. I don't think canon processors are necessarily worse than competition, but this is might be a price being paid for "double pixel". I can imagine it requires more processing power than hybrid af. On the other hand canon chose a luxury way of implementing this af, without sacrificing pixels for true color readout. But yes at the end it might be a weak point in this long time race against competitors.
It's more the reports about certain outdated chipsets (not DPAF) that have limited tracking and burst.
Late to the video but I am guilty and bought the R model when they dropped the price and just ignore the silly slider.
LOL - I think that is pretty much true for most people.
Dustin why did you get the EOS R and also a Sony a7XXX? What was the reasoning? Did you get rid of the EOS R?
I test and use multiple systems. I own multiple Canon and Sony bodies, and regularly use Fuji loaners as well. It's part of my business.
I have just ordered an EOS R here in the UK. The prices in the UK are so much more expensive. Body only (sale price) close to £2000.
Yes, for some reason the prices dropped ridiculously in the US (not so much here in Canada, either).
Hi Dustin and thanks for this video, Canon are really killing it with the RF lenses, and it's only the beginning :-) I was thinking of purchasing a RP as a backup/holiday camera to go aside my 5D4, But i'm concerned about the lower resolution EVF and Back screen, did you have a chance to compare it to the Eos R? cheers
I'm sure you saw my review of the RP, but I've never had the two cameras on hand at the same time to directly compare.
@@DustinAbbottTWI yes i did, but so much has changed with the firmware updates. I'll give it a second look :-)
Hello Dustin,
I have discovered your youtube channel while I was searching for the best lens calibration method.
(everything was perfectly explained in your videos).
My camera bodies : Canon 6d, Canon 600d, Samsung nx300
Lenses for Canon : Tamron 24-70 G2 , Tamron 70-200 G2 lenses, Canon 17-40 f4, Canon 85 1.8, Canon 50 1.8, Tamron efs 17-50 , Canon efs 10-18 and kit lenses.
I want to buy a new mirrorless camera (so I could use other lenses with better focus accuracy, because of the better image quality and for making videos ). My first pick is eos R6 ( because I could also use it for videos, sports photo.. ) but for me is too expensive and I think the price is not going to fall down very soon.
I also like Sony A7 III ( I could use it also for videos ) but I have seen in your videos that it has focusing problems with third party lenses..(with adapter). Maybe something changed with new firmware ?
...so after all I think the best buy is ( because of my lenses ): Canon eos R or Canon eos RP.
Is there a big difference in image quality between eos R ( 5d IV sensor ) vs eos RP ( 6d II sensor ) ?
There Is also an option to buy RP with Canon RF 24-105 for the price of EOS R .. or to combine it with Tamron 150 -600 G2, If there is not big difference between R and RP.
The R6 would be the best choice if you want to shoot with a longer telephoto. I like the EOS R better than the RP because the sensor is better.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you!:)
I have been searching for an answer and maybe you could provide one. I have all my L glass which is the reluctance to switch to R, however the adapter gives me some hope. My question is, how does the increase in focal length affect performance? I am a landscape and nightscape shooter and I prefer pinpoint to the edges. Thanks for the great content as always! Also, The Canon rumors board is buzzing with goodies for my needs all of a sudden. Do I wait? Hmmmm....lol
The adapter does not change either the focal length or the lens performance. You will probably actually get better performance out of many of your L series lenses due to having more accurate focus. As for what's coming - it sounds like the R5 will be fantastic. I suspect it will also be priced to match.
Dustin , I thought I'll ask you this question as you seem more non biased then most channels . A very popular channel that a couple hosts made the statement that duel pixel AF is to slow for fast moving subjects . This seems to be not a correct statement as there is a difference between AF acquisition or lock time and actual subject tracking . The two issues are separate I would think . Do you think it's the actual focus technology of duel pixel that makes it not appropriate for fast moving subjects or rather the slow processor that makes it to slow for subject tracking ?
I don't think they've got that right. The new M6 MK II does 14FPS with DPAF. On the EOS R, I think it is processor and architecture related. We'll see a more sports-oriented model, and I'm sure it will utilize some form of DPAF.
@@DustinAbbottTWI yes it was in relation to a early overview of the new 1dx vs a9 , and dual pixel came in into question . So much misinterpretation out there on youtube thanks for your response
A very nice video to watch! It's a great camera for making UA-cam videos, I'm very happy with mine!
Glad to hear it!
Good step...
Concerning eye AF ; in the long term I have great trust in Canon’s DPAF for their Af detection sensor is at least 4 times greater than the competition. And they are not on top of the actual sensor but embedded! If a person is full length in view, you can calculate how dens the AF sensors must be... 400 FD-CD sensors is way too low, you can draw a software box around the eye, very impressive you might think, but the camera lens combination cannot keep up.
I feel comfortable about the RF system...
I'm not sure about the math, here, but what I do know is that Canon had the early edge with DPAF, so I do believe they have the capability of continuing to develop better AF technology.
I made a quick raw calculation comparing Sony A73 (693 AF points) to EOS-R (5655)
If a face covers 10% of the frame Sony has 4 AF (CD or PD) points left for focusing on the eyes, the R has 36 AF (DPAF) points, what would you prefer....
the 4/36 numbers are covering a complete round face for calc simplicity
Another great video and in depth review. I just bought the R, but you are right, the lenses are pricey. I am going to have to make due with my old L glass.
That's true, Heather, though it looks like some cheaper options are on the horizon.
well I bought one too after firmware 1,4 was out and I am thrilled till now by that. Dustin we look forward for a comparison of RF 15-35mm with EF 16-35mm and Tamron 15-30mm G2
I can't promise a big comparison, but I do plan to cover the RF lens at some point in 2020.
This would be a great comparison video. Throw in the tokina 16-28 for good measure
Everybody seems to be jumping to the amazing RF lenses and feeling the pressure here to sell EF lenses or keep them and keep on shooting with them.
I'm not sure there is any pressure to sell immediately if you are happy with your lenses due to them working so well via adapter.
Thanks, good video. At this point I’m going to hold out and see what the R5 looks like but I’m definitely going to upgrade my ancient 7D to a Canon mirrorless in the next 6 months. I love the Canon system and am excited about the quality of RF lenses, just not their price! But at this point I don’t have that much money invested in EF glass so I might as well get started collecting RF lenses as I can afford it.
Hi Ernie - I think that's a solid choice. I enjoy the EOS R, but it has some serious limitations that the R5 looks like it will address in spades. Just be prepared to have to lay out a LOT of cash for it.
Damn this is tough, I was looking at a DSLR but Canon just made it really tough lol.
Some amazing prices right now.
I think its with the telephoto lenses where the RF line will be great.
It certainly looks like Canon is going all-in on lens development.
I just received notice from both B&H and Adorama of a considerable price drop on the Canon Eos R with the excellent 24-105 lens. I suppose that Amazon will also match the price. Given the current sales situation in which Nikon has reported massive decreases in their camera sales one must suspect that the price of the Z series will also fall.
Based upon Dustin's excellent reviews I will purchase the Canon.
I'm contemplating getting one due to the same sale. Honestly, the EVF slideshow/lag seems to be the biggest issue for me. I almost exclusively shoot stuff that moves in continuous, and it sounds like I can look forward to maybe 3-5fps and my viewfinder will thus be about 1/3rd-1/5th of a second behind realtime, especially with EF lenses that don't support the new high speed display option. I feel like it could be a step back from my 6Dii in that regard.
My sense is that for taking single shots it is better in every way - the problem is that this isn't how I really shoot. I'd really like to go mirrorless but it seems like they're still not quite there for sports/action/etc.
It's a LOT of camera for that money!
The best camera of any of them for no blackout is the Sony a9 or a9II (a mirrorless camera), but that's in a whole different realm.
@@DustinAbbottTWI can't argue with that, but I'm not sure if the a9 is able to focus with the aperature open on continuous. For that money I'd hope so but it seems like a lot of Sony cameras suffer from this.
It is able to focus with an open aperture. It's designed around an electronic rather than mechanical shutter.
If you're impressed with the firmware updates in the EOS R you should try a Fujifilm XT3.
I have...and I'm hoping that the firmware updates in January produce better performing Eye AF as it lags behind both Sony and Canon at this point.
You've taken some superb images with the R excellent colour with nice narrow DOF but you've got some equally great images with the Sony. It's great to see they're catching up, you are right about Canon do need to bring out that R mk2 improved version asap I won't be buying Canon unless they come out with something that tracks like the A9 as I do have some nice long Canon lenses for wildlife be great not to have to adapt them although I'm also impressed with what Sony has done with long lens was worth getting the 200-600mm so at least I've got a native Sony for wildlife not yet committed enough to sell my white Canon lenses or my Nikon version of the Sigma 300-800mm F5.6 the Z series are lacking too for tracking. Thanks again nice work.
It's steps in the right direction by Canon.
Cool review and an excellent Camera and system.
Thanks for the feedback.
I have just bought the canon eos r camera and have watched your review. You did not mention the focus tweaking and I would be interested in your comments.
Focus "tweaking" is unnecessary with an EOS R or other mirrorless cameras.