Canon RF 100mm F2.8 L IS Macro Review
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- Over a year after it was announced, Chris and Jordan had the chance to play with the Canon RF 100mm F2.8 L IS Macro! Alongside the expected improvements in autofocus speed and optical performance, this lens feature Spherical Aberration Correction, which allows you to change the look of out-of-focus areas. Is this new lens worth the premium price?
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0:00 - Intro
0:50 - Sample images
1:12 - Build quality and design
1:52 - Spherical aberration correction
2:53 - Maximum magnification
3:20 - Focusing
4:17 - Flare and chromatic aberration
4:50 - Bokeh
5:32 - Video performance
6:41 - Sharpness
7:16 - Focus shift
8:13 - Should you buy it?
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That was a very nice „Schmetterling-Tasche“ - and I mean Chris‘ pronounciation.
Thanks! If I get anything right in this review, I want it to be that!
@@niccollsvideo That german pronounciation was impeccable 👌
I almost didn't buy mine after Christopher Frost talked about experiencing focus shift. I haven't had any issues whatsoever with mine. I will say I would prefer that the lens did not have the SA control and was $200 cheaper to get one without that useless (to me) feature. Thanks, guys. Nice work as always.
I used SA control just few times, really depends on photo, effect you want to achieve. But I agree, no need to have that. And this is what I was able to get with R5 and RF 100/2.8 so far ua-cam.com/video/KQLBnTPCtZ8/v-deo.html
Same...
Mine is sooooo bad in macro , actually unusable. But bloody amazing as normal lens. So gutted
Upvoted for Chris' German skills. The council of the german DPReview TV viewers approves.
His "Schmetterling" was pretty good, next german word for Chris is "Eichhörnchen" (squirrel).
FWIW - I have the EF 100 L and love thats it's light, bright, sharp, stabilised, quick to focus and works for portraits, landscape and macro.
@Text me on telegram 👉@dpreviewtv Will do immediately. Thanks so much.
You said "Schmetterling" very well Chris :D honestly I can say that as a native speaker.
R5 + RF100L is such a nice Combo. I have them both and they’re awesome. Macro video is so beautiful, and the AF is so fast that handheld shots are easily possible. The Hybrid IS really does a great deal of stabilisation compared to a 5DIII + EF100. The closer you get the more the effect weakens but it’s still at least a stop or two more than the DSLR combo.
At first I worried about focus shift but I did not find any whatsoever. No matter what aperture or distance combination I tested. I will never ever sell or loan this lens to anyone. It’s hands down my favourite lens.
Always worth a watch; lots of detailed info with good photo examples, plus lots of suggestions about what the lens does best and how you can move best use of it. Plus, of course, some comedy along the way..
I have to say, always good reviews!
For a portrait/headshot shooter, being able to dial in a small, controllable amount of spherical aberration could save a lot of retouching time. I used to shoot corporate headshots with the DSLR version of the Canon 100 macro and had to put a lot of post-production effort into suppressing pores, shaving nicks, makeup flakes, lint, etc. because that lens was so brutally sharp - it would have been great to be able to take some of the edge off when needed.
I own this lens and I am using it with R5. Initially I bought it to test it but I loved it so much that I kept it. It is perfectly sharp and I tried it with extension tubes, and I was surprised it is keeping its sharpness. This is the lens that I always take with me when I go to nature. I already have some amazing photos with this lens. Highly recommended!
Just an example what RF 100 is capable of ua-cam.com/video/KQLBnTPCtZ8/v-deo.html
What’s extension tubes ?
@@creativegreatsvisuals what about using google to find out? www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=extension+tubes&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
The RF 100mm Macro is a great lens. I'm not a dedicated macro photographer but since I bought it I rarely bring my RF 70-200 f2.8 anymore. The 100mm is definitely sharper and the ability to shoot up close makes it a very versatile lens. After all the 100mm with the RF 15-35mm are my go to lenses for almost anything now.
But I still haven't found a useful application for that SA control, haha.
Excellent review. Very clear and informative, even useful for someone new to photography. Thank you.
I’m new to the Canon system and started off with their mirrorless cameras. This is a lens I’ve been looking into. For me and people in my situation I don’t think it makes sense to buy the EF version. Like you said Chris, this is ideal for those who want both macro and portrait capabilities. Thanks for the great review.
Lots to like about this lens.
As Chris indicates, this seems made with wedding photographers in mind. I guess people doing 'pure' macro work might find it unhelpful but I also appreciate Canon bringing this kind of specialized tools to the market.
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@@mipmipmipmipmip - We're aware and doing what we can to have the comments removed.
@@dpreview thanks! Luckily rare to see such a targeted scam on youtube! Hope they fix it!
Great job and footages from GH6 is amazing, I don't belive I said anything good about micro 4/3, but it looks so good.
My EF 100mm L was my all time favorite lens, and the last of my EF Glass since switching to Mirrorless. I finally let it go in favor of the 100mm RF. It’s funny because the EF lens on its own is actually quite a bit shorter than the RF. Until you put the adaptor on, and then they’re almost on par.
The clincher for me was the quieter (substantially) and quicker autofocusing, and the 1.4x reach. Using it primarily for macro, that extra magnification without the need for extension tubes or diopters is extremely welcome.
The SA control is something I don’t ever see myself using but it’s an absolutely incredible lens. As hard as it was to say goodbye to the EF, there has been no looking back and I’d do it again in a heartbeat.
As a Sony shooter who loves the manual focus Voigtlander 65mm APO, I wish I had Canon's manual focus aids. A 1.4x macro lens would be pretty cool too.
I'm in the same boat with the CV 110mm. It's interesting to see what the other side has, and yeah you end up feeling like sony isn't really giving us much for the money. Wouldn't want to use my macro for portraits, done that with the sony 90mm and the results just didn't have anything special about them imo.
I used (and still use) the EF 100 2.8 L for many years professionally (shooting commemorative coins) and still use it for video macro shooting when autofocus is needed. But the big difference in shooting happened when I bought the 135 TS-E macro where I can tilt and shift the focus how I need it. It can only 2:1 but with an adapter you also reach 1:1. But soon I will switch to an EOS R5C and I guess I will buy the new macro just because of fitting perfectly the system.
I wonder if the SA adjustment could be used for an in-camera Orton effect with a double exposure? Just came to mind when I saw the side-by-sides. Keep 'em coming!
Great review. Fwiw the terms are uncorrected (minus) and overcorrected (plus) spherical aberration :)
Once too often in Wetzlar hey Chris? Those damn “Schmetterling”
I'd go back in a heartbeat!
By the way, I’ll be in Wetzlar next week. But not for Leitz Leica. It‘s the facinating beautiful Old Town of Wetzlar that gets my attention.
Hey Chris, as a German i can tell you did a very good job on pronouncing Schmetterling :D
Well, the RF version costs only $100 more than the EF one now, and the native advantage shouldn’t be underestimated. Also, it’s clearly a cracking portrait lens. I’d have appreciated very much a showcase of SA control at lower settings - cranked to the max it’s obviously a bit cartoonish, but I can see a +- 1 setting being a big asset to save time in post, for subjects with rough skin, or to avoid moiré, for example. That kind of thing can be a big advantage in professional settings.
Great review and good points. I have a Canon EF 100 for my 80D, but I was ready to buy the RF because i was concerned that the lens would be unstable on Canon R because of length with adapter (and maybe ext tubes). What's your opinion?
Besides the EF 100mm or a manual lens, I'd also suggest the Canon EF 180mm f/3.5L. It was the sharpest black lens when it came out and maybe still among the top 2-3 sharpest black EFs, and they're quite cheap used now. They give substantially more working distance, good to avoid scaring critters, and do AF silently albeit slowly. The images were always really nice and despite being very picky, I never was disappointed. I used it for all my internet auction product photos too, despite having 14 other lenses. I'm buying the RF100 but mainly out of boredom, and in part because the fast AF sounds nice to have.
Versatility is the key word here. I bought it for both portrait and close-up. Very sharp lens.
What a great review.
I am about to buy a Canon camera , macro lens and telephoto lens (for bird photography)
You may have some advice for me, but thank you for this review.
J
My only lens on R6
@Text me on telegram 👉@dpreviewtv Yea right
Not entirely relevant but I have a Fuji on SF 180mm lens for large format that is completely uncorrected for spherical aberration and it is a pretty amazing look for portraits.
would you say that this lens plus the 50mm rf 1.2 will be a good combo for wedding/event photography?
I am planning on getting this with the R5 or maybe the rumored R7. I only shoot underwater macro and super macro, how does the lens perform at the f16 - f22 range?
When I first got my macro 100 I tried some SA portraits and immediately found it to be a gimmick. And the images were oh so soft.
So I use it for standard portrait a macro.
Crazy good lens , almost to Sharp for portraits but you can always soften the skin
@text me on telegram 👉@DPReviewTV08 oh no i wont
Jawoll Schmetterling!
I'm interested in this lens I'll admit.
I feel torn though budget-wise. Because I feel like for portraits the Sigma 105mm f/1.4 would be great, although it's $300 ($400+ with adapter) than the Canon RF and it has a faster aperture. I just can't shake the versatility of such a great performing lens wide open, against flare, macro capability and lower weight compared to that Sigma lens.
Or should I just wait until Canon makes their own version that has a faster aperture, better coatings and much less weight than Sigma's offering? Although it might cost more than $2,200+ given the price trend.
How about a review of the Laowa 90mm 2.8 marco.
I'm convinced. Laowa 90mm for me. I have other lenses for portraits etc.
I just got this lens (mine is used) from Bhphoto. After 5 focus testing (f2.8, f4, f5.6, f8.0), my eyes could not see any notice differences on focus shifting in my lens. I think Canon has some minor update on this lens or did I get a good copy?
You have a very beautiful model. Congrats to the little one!
I’ve really enjoyed this lens. Get image iq and mag. I could do without the SA control
Ok that SA ring looks insane. I can already think of several filmmaking scenarios where it'll be an incredible tool. I hope canon will implement this to other focal lengths too.
8:44 - Is it just me or do the shots taken with the SA+ & SA- look totally out of focus? I like the effect but it doesn't look very useable if it's going to make the subject look that blurry. Just purchased this lens so I guess we'll see. Won't be testing out the SA option on any paid shoots yet
So, my thinking is, the Lawoa is a great little lens, but lacks any form of stabilization, and the designs is the opposite of airtight. I have had more than a few times where the stabilizer really made a difference. The lens is also quite a bit sharper wide open than the EF version. The AF is also a good bit faster.
Edit: Wanted to mention that I feel the focus shift issue is almost non-existent. The only people that would notice it are the most hardcore pixel-peepers. For macro work, you are advised to work with manual focus anyways, so focus shift shouldn't make any difference, unless for some reason you aren't also adjusting the focus. I can't imagine that being a thing. Some very famous and very good lenses have focus shift.
I really like macro lenses, they're very fun to use, but there are some reasons that pull me back. I like RF lens because of the fast auto focus, accurate, sharp and closer 1.4x aspect ratio. But issues are way more than pro. weight, size, focus breathing, aperture shift and a weirdo control SA ring. I wish canon keep it simple like ef version will be a great lens, not to mention that will keep the price cheaper as well. If that SA ring changes bokeh to smoother like RF 85mm F1.2 DS, I will sacrifice for that, but it's not.
I am a beginner with my camera R10 - and really enjoy Macro Photography and looking for a dedicated lens to do it with. Is this the best option. It's rather pricey fir a beginner...(?)
Those focus assist tools are much better than with Sony, but I strongly prefer my Laowa 100mm 2:1 at less than half the price.
So is it good for video or not ? What’s best f-stop to film at for video ?
Wait, a control ring that makes it soft and gives you the bokeh of a mirror lens?? Gimmick! Gimmick! Gimmick! Lol
A bit in between. Macro focusing is difficult for me. Being able to focus by bringing a couple of arrowheads together could help a lot. But. Since we are judged by the sophistication of our gear, it would be burdensome to carry the baggage of the SA ring. I have had two WTF experiences when seeing reviews of Canon RF lenses: the SA ring AND not being able to use telextenders on the RF 70-200 f/2.8.
There's distinct lack of contrast in all the samples shown. Curious.
Man that’s a beautiful…fly?!
I appreciate the much improved IS coordination with IBIS in my R5 and it’s slightly sharper than my copy of the EF100L, but I’m still not sure if price difference was worth it. Since I’m mostly at F/11 the focus shift hasn’t been an issue so far.
IS is totally unusable when you are near the subject, and there is constant fight with depth of field and light :) but for landscapes or portraits, IS is perfect on this lens.
@@jzphoto Macro photography is always done on a tripod. If you're not using a tripod, you're not doing macro.
@@vitaminb4869 hahaha oh yes of course :) tell me about it. Check my video and tell me how to do it with tripod :) except shooting early morning, when there is almost no wind - ua-cam.com/video/KQLBnTPCtZ8/v-deo.html
@@vitaminb4869 That is a silly comment. There are certainly use cases where tripod is not necessary, and can become a distraction. At least where I live you wouldn't be able to pull off that long shutter speed due to the almost constant breeze. On the other hand not having to deal with the tripod legs moving the surroundings of the subject (the next glass blade) can be a differentiator. Also I shoot flowers placing my camera on the ground quite often, and it works quite well.
Near 8% price difference (am I right RF costs $100 more) is nothing against an opportunity to have the native to R cameras mount, higher magnification and extra control ring.
I hope that SA feature isn't adding to the price, or weight. I hope it's just a nifty bonus that 'comes with' the construction of this lens and they decided to throw a control on there...
Regarding focus shift - I think the problem comes from the fact that the Canon doesn't stop down lenses to the selected aperture until the shutter button is pressed. This is good for gathering as much light as possible for focusing - provided that no focal shift is present. Unfortunately focus shift is also an issue when focusing manually. With Sony the lens is stopped down during focusing - which means no focal shift, and you also see what you're going to get in terms of DOF.
Do the aperture preview buttons not work on Canon?
I've never had any focus shift issues with Olympus, but you can always also press the aperture preview button while focusing. Even old 35mm SLRs like the Contax RTS had a mechanical aperture preview - you could even lock up the mirror and aperture ring prior to exposure to prevent any undesired shock when you pressed the shutter button.
@@vaska00762 I'm not sure if RF cameras have DOF preview buttons. Either way, the default behaviour explains why the focus shift issue presents itself.
Disclaimer, I haven't look into this. But I'm really curious about this focus shift 'issue' you guys are talking about. Did you encounter this problem when using SA, or is it still present when SA is set to neutral? Focus shift in lenses is a telltale sign of spherical aberration, an ideal lens free of SA wouldn't have focus shift. So this problem is to be expected if SA is not set to neutral, and that's not the lens' problem.
"With Sony the lens is stopped down during focusing - which means no focal shift, and you also see what you're going to get in terms of DOF."
Unless you turn "Live View Display" to "Setting Effect OFF", which I use when shooting macro. I've never seen focus shift on any of my lenses, though.
(Note that you also mostly lose exposure preview and white balance preview with this setting)
@neglector As I stated in my comment.
Would love to know how this compares to the Laowa 100mm 2:1 macro lens.
The Laowa has less CA (basically none), and has .6x more magnification. Maybe a tad sharper.
The Canon not only has AF but very fast AF. It's the more versatile lens. I shoot mostly Macro and used the Laowa 65 2X when I shot Fuji so when I switched I bought both the Laowa 100 and the Canon. I returned the Laowa but it was a hard choice. I snap on a Raynox when I need closer focus than 1.4X.
To me, the SA ring looks like a gimmick in an attempt to make a sharp macro lens able to do soft portraiture. I would rather not have that feature, which does not seem to work that well. If I am to pay for an extra feature, I'd rather have the lens be good for video. The 1.4x looks like it is achieved by allowing the lens to extend out without using extension tubes.
how would you consider this lens Vs the Canon MP-E 65mm f/2.8 1-5X Macro Lens ?
Yo that SA control looks amazing
Good lense for headshots :D
Ein kleiner Schmetterer
I would like to see someone comment on a reason that Canon put this lens on a very good sale last winter (double the discount of other lenses) OTHER than the fact that the focus shift makes the lens worthless at super close distances and the SA affects the in focus parts of the image as much as the bokeh. If I wanted a poor quality, soft focus lens, there are many available for a fraction of the price. Canon knows and denies the problems with this lens. To me, that is worse than having the problem in the first place. You got my 'like' for mentioning the Laowa option. 99% of people will not want a totally manual lens but they are sharp.
For those who are wondering, the weight is 1/3 of a Noct
You can buy a Mid Range Olympus MFT Camera with their 60mm(120mm FOV) at this rate.
Whoooo doggy is that GH6 sharp!
lol...
That is a tasty looking lens; almost worth moving back to Canon. Only joking: I'll stick with my OM1's. I used to own an EF 100mm f2.8 IS, and that was a great lens. I have no doubt this will prove even better.
SA ring is kinda useless after trying it out couple of times. I mean, I want my main subject to be in focus and not blurry…
How can I turn on manual focus Rangefinder? I can't find it
Seriously, I don't believe I have ever seen another macro lens review where the photographer doesn't get his elbows and knees on the ground. Perhaps that is just a Canadian thing. There were enough footballs in that out-of-focus background to field a rugby tournament. Still, a very nice lens.
Is this 100mm lens ? I am very confused about this lens like what it is ?
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Canon EF180 f/3.5 L is the one I'd choose personally for Macro and Portraits
Yes amazing for serious macro but the autofocus is very slow for portraits
Amazing as always, the sigma 105 dg dn macro gets too silly when in auto focus mode, when I am shooting macro portraits it sometimes start hunting to the point where it completely back focuses, also it has too much focus breathing, u ever heard of these issues?
@Prashanth Panicker i am afraid, i must disagree, the new dg dn series developed for Sony e mount cameras don't have any issues, I am sure of other dg dn lenses, but i feel like my copy has a bit more of them.
Well, I've got the wonderful Laowa 100 (EF mount with Auto aperture).
I do not own a mirrorless camera.
Need I say more?
…just sold my Laowa 100mm and bought the RF100… no regrets at all!
When I worked in camera stores in the 80's, TRUE Macro lenses were defined as possessing not only high magnification ratios, but flatness of field was also considered a basic requisite to be called a TRUE macro lens. Why do macro lens reviews no longer:
A: either test for... nor
B: even seem to realise this factor is important to include?
Chris - did you go fishing, even if you were out there working?
I think u miss a important point of this lens , u mention macro and portrait, but for my use and many others even more useful is for product photography, and art reproduction which i think is the primary use and development of this lens
Would it help to have a ring flash for close-up shots?
Ring flash gives ugly reflection on highly reflective subjects and the lighting is flat. Better to have a normal flash diffused off camera.
The RF 100mm macro is far better than the Sigma EF 105mm I used to have. It has much faster and more reliable AF. Plus, as large as it is, it is shorter and lighter than the Sigma lens with adapter. Obviously, it focuses much closer. I personally never use the aberration ring, which seems gimmicky. Other than the price (OUCH!), I have no complaints whatsoever about the RF 100.
The SA control seems a bit gimmicky. Yes, it makes the bokeh interesting, but with how blurry the subject becomes, the bokeh becomes the subject.
5:20: you're trying to show off the nice bokeh... but did you look at the shot before sharing it?!!? you have a little water droplet on the lens, making a darker circle in the bokeh highlights. I know it's the lens front, not the aperture, because it's off-center and it's in the same place in each circle: bottom center...
I just bought this lens and Focus issue in macro makes it unusable and mean really unusual . As normal use its amazing. But my copy is not suitable for macro at all. I got this cos i dont want do macro maunal hence why i bought it for quick focus. In electronic shutter it was sooooooo bad but better using mechanical shutter. I got wow images today using it as non macro. 3 days using as macro and about 400 shots all aweful. Wish could figure way to work it
I think Canon should of dumped the gimmick SA and made the lens cheaper
Schmetterlinge 😄 your german ist good 👍
Owned by Amazon but showing BHphoto product ads? Interesting. 9:23
Does it have insect eye detection? 😉
I've had it catch eye AF on a Wolf Spider. Not as reliable as other animals but I was still impressed.
Uhhhh Chris can can speak German :-) now I like him even more
So I ran into a professional photographer using this lens and started chatting with him about it. I told him I wanted to buy one and he said he would sell me his because he hates it. He uses a tripod and he said it changes focus on its own before he can press the shutter.
changes focus on its own? sounds like he has autofocus tracking enabled or the object he's photographing is affected/moving in the wind or something. Macro has very shallow depth of field. Regardless, it would be good to know what he meant by "changes focus". Canon wouldn't make a lens with a defect like that.
Just answering myself a little on this, but maybe he was noticing focus shift issues with this lens when stopped down from a wider aperture? I've read that this lens has more focus shift than the previous EF version. They could adjust that in a firmware update I believe but haven't seen any info on that. There's lots of info in forums about this. You could google it to see if it would bother you too much.
@@jmack108 not sure. He was the official photographer of a botanical garden and I was a visitor and I started chatting with him because I see the garden’s pictures on twitter and Facebook.
1:02 ... macro cloud.
I just love her bright orange hair everytime i see her..she is such a cute child…. God bless you
1.4:1 macro?
@Text me on telegram 👉@dpreviewtv Gee'z. Thank you so much :) I was also running a report lottery and guess what? You've won a report 💖💖
If you shoot an object ~25.7 mm in width and 17.1mm in height at full magnification, it would fill the picture on a full frame sensor (36x24mm)
Schmedderling
Chris' schmedicine rolled away, what he must be looking for
Venus Optics Laowa 100 mm 2.8 super macro is a lot better and cheaper and it's 1:2X magnification!. Ok less versatility
Honestly I can't see the point of this lens. Why offering this in 2022 when all laowa stuff is cheaper, 2x magnification and outrageously sharp. Are camera manufacturers blind to not see what most serious macrophotographers are using today? Imo, the laowa 100mm is definitely the king to dethrone today and i wish big brands start to realize that.
I've been using the 85mm f/5.6 2:1 on my Nikon Z. 🌹🌻🐞🦋
@@neffknows1 I own the 100, 60, 25 and I got the 85mm two weeks ago for my travel to usa. it's tiny, super light and super sharp. However it's quite tricky to use a flash+diffuser with this lens because of the ridiculous small size ahah. I will do and unboxing/review/demo video of the 85mm when I will be back home.
The pronunciation of hudie is too short😂
Focus Shift on a Macro Lens...; NONO!
What have we Germans done this time to get fooled? 😵💫