Your work is greatness Dustin, impartial, eloquent, educational and inspiring. Thank you for years of non-vias free education. I am a Canon shooter and just made up my mind. Getting the EOS R today.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks for that Honest Review. I am going to buy this camera, However, there is one thing I'd like to point out, I mean, after 4 months, you might have figured this out already. The control ring on the RF lenses can be set to change exposure compensation. Also, I am not sure of Canon's real reason for the cropping on the 4k, but from what I have heard, the cropping does compensate for the heating issues caused by the 4k recording. Losing the autofocus on the 720p 120fps+ does seem strange, but I guess that's also testing the limits of Canon's best auto focus in the industry.
I have to agree the best objective review on youtube period. I bought this camera a few weeks back. I sold the a7r iii I couldn't live with the sony menus and missed the canon colour. The rf system will hea game changer I can only imagine the next release :)))
Good things come for those who wait. I waited fro your review and was rewarded with the most balanced review of the EOS R I've seen thus far. Strengths are put forward at the same level as the camera limitations, something that is a very welcomed change from the hysterics about how inadequate Canon is supposed to be that seem to be the current fad on the Net. Thank you for this informative and fair review, Dustin.
Correct. It might have been on purpose to protect a dual DIGIC future action-photography model. The guys at LensRentals already disassembled an EOS R and one thing that surprised them was how much empty space was left unused inside the camera. This might be a hint that the design was conceive taking into account multiple processors and/or cooling bays.
Excellent review Dustin. I plan to get this camera later on. But it will only be after Canon sends out a firmware to update all the issues around it. Eye AF is one of the key reasons I want this camera. If they update the firmware and I do get it, my plans are to just get the ring adapter and use all my EF mount lenses with it since I have so many.
I have the EOS R for 10 days now. One of the key reasons was with EF 50 F1.4 I had a lot of issues with Canon DSLR's especially with small kids. Even eye AF at the moment is limited as said but I am still getting almost all pictures ok for normal usage. Ok if you pixel peep you will see it is a bit off but before you would have been happy to have such a picture of small fast moving kid. The EF 50 F1.4 which is beast in the negativ sense is now a new lens, a joy to use! Ok the resolution is not mind blowing like the RF 50 F1.2 but more than good enough for my needs. A servo eye AF would put it to a next level, I hope Canon hold it's words and makes it possible via firmware upgrade.
I think if you hold the shutter down halfway you can do that. I highlight this "lack" of a dedicated dial because essentially every competing camera has a dedicated dial...plus Canon has been putting them on some of the M series cameras for a while. It feels like a missing piece on the EOS R.
@@DustinAbbottTWI well i dont like the FPS on the R in Tracking Servo Mode and the way eye AF works but other than that i like it a lot. I dont understand your statements on the exposure compensation. My R acts as expected, e.g. in AV mode you simply use the wheel under the mode dial left/right to use exposure compensation. (-/+) You don't need to half press the shutter button. So i feel in that respect you are wrong. Other than that, another great report from you. thx.
@@rainerflucke1135 My point is that almost all competing mirrorless cameras have a dedicated exposure compensation dial. The wheel under the mode dial only does exposure compensation if you map that to it, which leaves some other control unmapped.
@@DustinAbbottTWI thats my point that i don't understand - i have not "Mapped" anything in terms of the dial. In Av and TV it does exposure compensation exactly as i would expect it from my DSLR. Most of R users probably had/have a Canon DSLR and would expect from the wheel exactly that. I could not care less whether there is a button for this on any other DSLM, i would be very disappointed really, if i could not use my right thumb to do exposure compensation with the wheel under the mode button - but i can.
Hi Dustin, congratulations to this excellent review! I cracked up when you said: „things with eyes move“ - Fantastic statement, l love it! All the best!
Asal, that's really an impossible question to answer other than to say that the a7III is definitely better for video in most ways. There are too many variables on the photo side of things.
I am an amateur photographer, very amateur and I purchased this camera a Few weeks ago, I can say that I am very impressed, I’m hoping that I really get into using all the features or as many features as possible this is a fantastic camera
Would very much be interested in your take on the large 1.4 Firmware update (Sept 2019) for the EOS R as to its improvements to issues you found. Thanks for your video reviews - extremely helpful.
I have been photographing ballet performances for over 21 years with various iterations of Canon film and digital bodies. Shutter noise has always been a problem to greater or lesser degrees, restricting my locations in theaters so as not to disturb patrons. I just used the Canon R for the first time for a series of performances in a packed house and the totally silent shutter mode made it a joy to work with in this sensitive environment. I am still becoming functionally familiar with the camera but on the whole my experience so far, both in the theater and other locations has been a good one.
Hi, I have an EOS R. I'm trying to film 4K ALLI, however my Extreme Pro 300 MB 128 GB card is filled very quickly. Any suggestion? My settings are Shutter Speed = 1/100 F= 4.0 ISO = 100. Do you have any recommendation?
Very good review, it is always a joy to litsen to you talking about camera gear, mainly due to the neutral and unbiasness. You state the good, the neutral and the bad, and not just bashing the negative aspect the whole videos. This is what i am looking for for a review, not straight up negativity. It is happy to see there are more and more reviewers starting to like this camera. I love the Canon colors, although i do not have the intention to buy the EOS R at the moment. But i do adore their glass quality and variety very much.
Dustin. Amazing as always man. You helped me buy my 80D and today, the EOS R besides its downsides it's a huge step for me from the 80D which already has way over 100k shots. Keep it up ❤️
I have a wee problem. Apart from no GPS, no intervalopmeter. Where it sits in my hand, I press the mode dial when I mean to press AF-On. The wheel could be a press button too, Fujifilm does that.
The lack of GPS was one of my issues as well. You can however use the wireless feature to capture GPS from your mobile phone. Not as convenient of course.
One of your best reviews ever, and that is saying a lot. You provide a great service not only for consumers, Dustin, but merchants also, because you share enough trustworthy information to make a good decision without buying and returning. Much of what you said about the ergonomics I suspected by looking at the hands-on previews and carefully reading the manual. You said it right, they are off to a good start in the right direction. Personally, I'm waiting for a more mature, pro-level interface and AF system, as well as an end to the heavy cropping of 4k and lagging of at least 1080p slow motion. The rf 50mm f/1.2L cries out for a pro body to match its potential.
I’ve somehow acquired a stable of Fuji primes and xpro2 as well as a 6d and stable of canon L glass. I was thinking of updating my Xpro2 to either the xpro3 or xt3....now I see this. I won’t be selling my L glass because I use it on an EOS 1v. So, now I’m thinking of dumping my fuji kit and just grabbing the Eos R. How would you compare the IQ and Jpg (I like Fuji’s) Output from the xt3 vs Eos r? Thanks!
By the way i have zeiss otus 85 right now i also can buy rf 85, just wonder your thoughts? One day when i come to usa or canada i wanna give you zeiss otus 85 as a gift? Because i really like and respect your thoughts
I love the Otus (as you know), but the EOS R and RF 85mm combination is amazing for portrait work. It’s more practical, so I’d probably recommend that.
I had the opportunity to have a hands on look at this camera today. It felt great in my hands. I had some trouble using the rear screen to select my focus point. What was your experience with that? Is there another way to set you focus point?
I noticed when I used ef adapted lenses that the camera would quit auto focusing if i stopped using it for even 5 seconds. It did this often and it was really annoying while shooting.
@@DustinAbbottTWI will go through it too. I have 135f2, 35 1.4 art, 85 1.4 art and one 15-30 g1 in arsenal. So, have to make a choice either to stick with canon or switch to sony a7iii. Because I have alot of concerns regarding future of EF mount because the emphasis has been shifted entirely from ef to rf mount
I want to upgrade my Canon 5D Mark III and I'm not sure what camera to chose. I'm thinking about the EOS R or the 5D Mark IV, but the 5D Mark IV is getting old. I'm also interested to switch from Canon to the Sony A7R IV. I'd appreciate if you could help me take a decision. What do you recommend?
I would definitely go with either the EOS R or the a7R IV. The RIV is obviously more expensive, and might be overkill in terms of resolution for you. I've enjoyed using both those cameras more than my 5D Mark IV at this point.
Ok, some relief! Yes some of the short comings are way behind the competition. What do you think the firmware update will bring? Canon has mentioned that one is coming. Thank you for keeping things in perspective. I do like the camera, but I was very uneasy about my decision to buy it. Yes, this probably means I will be getting another EOS R body in the future.
Solid review Dustin. I’ve owned it since day one and agree with all your points. I haven’t bought any native lenses for it yet, and eagerly await what they do in the wide angle space-and what you have to say about them! I’ll have to pick up the control ring adapter... like you said, it desperately needs another control dial. I’m also awaiting reviews on the filter adapter-that could be a great purchase too, but I really wish they had been able to include a control ring on that unit too, especially at the price it’s going for.
Hello Mr. Abbott! Thank you again for these great reviews, I watch some few times over. Was wondering if you had planned to review some more RF lenses, like the 50 and 85mm 1.2, even the revolutionary 28-70mm f2?
I'm working on making that happen. I did purchase an EOS R in the past several weeks, and am trying to work with Canon Canada to arrange some loaners. It's been a slow process thus far.
@@DustinAbbottTWI thank you, looking forward to more RF content! Come on Canon Canada! Just sent in some Canon gear to their Repair Services, and they move quite slow here in the US too!
Dustin, I think current lens who does have focus ring, should be able to customize that ring to whatever they want. For example, Sony can do a firmware update to allow people to customize their 'focus ring' to whatever they want. If they dont use manual focus. I mainly shoot auto focus and that ring is just sitting there not useful. Don't you think this is a good ideal?
@@DustinAbbottTWI Dustin, Sony lens dont have a control ring. I was talking about lens that doesnt have control ring. We can customize the focus ring into a control ring.
pinkkhang I don’t think that would work because none of the EF lenses (to my knowledge) are focus by wire, and like Dustin said, all of the native RF lenses have the control ring.
Thanks for the great review! The interesting thing is that the 5D iv is now available for the same price like the eos r or even cheaper (at least in my country), so considering its basically the same sensor, which of those two camera would you buy at this point? (putting the one card slot issue and slower burst rate from the eos r aside)
For the Canon I have my eye on the old version of the 50 f1.2 and the 100-400 mkii. I used to own the 100-400. I sold it to get into Sony and I sorely miss it. For the Fuji, the 80mm macro would be on my list as well as a 33mm f1.2 that is supposed to be released next year. As a side note, I sold my Canon gear last year (I did not own a lot of it) to get the Sony A7III. I thought it was my dream camera. I was disappointed right from the start. Most of the images came out flat. The skin tones were pukie green. And it just had some quirks that took the fun out of shooting for me.
Great review! First of all nice to hear that the adapters work well also with Tamron's lenses. I think the most compelling feature of this new camera is actually the new system that will allow. Not only the new lenses, although very highly specialized, but the adapters is what really makes me awe! Especially the adapter with the drop-in filters: that means that one can use ANY lens with just one variable nd filter. That means even the humungous 150-600's or the 11-24mm from Canon! Not getting the camera, but I'm hopeful for the future. Now back on to saving for new lenses…
I couldn't say without knowing the particular fish tank. I've not had a difficult time with tanks myself, but glass can do strange things to autofocus depending on the type and curvature of it.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Just a glass Rectangular 5,10 & 20 gal. with some $50 Fancy Tail Guppies My 80D works ok but the a6000 just took pics of the glass never the fish. I'm just wondering if its a phase Vs contrast AF thing and skip looking at non-SLR's ? I wonder if eye AF would work on Pets better than mirrorless spot AF types ?
Eye AF does not work very well with pets. They don't have the same eye pattern (white around the iris), so cameras don't pick it up as well. The EOS R (like newer Sony bodies) has a more sophisticated autofocus system than your a6000, so any of them would probably do better.
@@DustinAbbottTWI i was doing some paper work some miles away and i needed some stuff i did not have so i took the long way home past a camera shop i know and I tried out the 'R'. It was Nice, Very Solid, a little small to me. Cramped controls wise maybe . Grip Was big feeling but nice. i felt i could hold it for hours with out cramping up. it took me 5 seconds to get in to it 10 seconds to understand the menu. layout 7 seconds to get how to change settings. 4 seconds a to see how well it locked on to whatever i aimed it at. The longer eye viewer EVF stock was nice to have but felt i was going to sill set off every touch control with my face. i guess i could have the screen closed and try not to touch that new touch control but idk would that slow me down if i had it set up old SLR like but with the f-stop on the lens and the ISO & shutter speed on the body and want to change something else like AF type or spot. Fish can be low noise at high ISO and I'm not sure Fuji is there yet but i like there old style SLR like cameras . But the EOS R did not workout for me . I tried it on the all glass displays and it was only ok with Locking on AF in the most clear non-light reflected spots . Lite scratches & light reflected any ware near the AF Point say about 2 more AF points away stopped from focusing threw past the glass to the target. that i know work on Canon DSLRs So Out your morning windows bird watching. (with a little back glare) Fish Tank. Vacation Glass-bottom boat. Sea Aquariums with a little AC frost on it. or maybe threw foggy/misty woods pics smoky school Halloween play. might be not a mirrorless's best thing idk You might know a few shots idk But me and some family friends do take these types of pics. Less artistic than Street, Wedding, Model or people selling adds photographs but i still know people that Vacation and have Humming bird plants and feeders out there windows that a iphone would be to wide to see what your shooting. it would be nice to see more non- photographer pro ideas reviewed and not just kids & pets in the middle of a room that a iphone 8 probably works best for anyway. But i ramble on romantically of things working perfectly to much i think. what's your take on the mirrorless AF vs glass ?
Hello How are you? İ want to ask something, i have canon 5d mark iii but i want to change nowadays but im undecided between canon 5d mark iv or eos r... i think you have 5d mark iv, could you help me pls which one i should buy 😂 thank you
I would probably go with the EOS R. It seems like Canon's best development right now is for mirrorless, and you can always use your EF glass there still.
I'm tempted by the change to replace my Canon 6d (version 1) but what else pulls me back is the adapter, because I have my EF lens kit that I do not want to replace with the new ones, I would like your advice; I have a 24-70 f2.8 L (version 1) that I refuse to stop using. Thank you very much for your contribution. Sorry for my English (I'm still studying) Greetings from Entre Ríos, Argentina.
So based on the review, i could finally get rid of the tamron tap in console and sigma usb dock because of this exellent EOSR and third party lenses combo sir?
Had to review this Canon again being that the prices started to settle. And of course nothing beats a Dustin Abbott review. Looking to pair this with my 5dm4. Excellent video as usual and thank you so much for your time and energy putting it together.
I actually recently got an EOS R because of significant improvements to performance. I plan to review RF gear on it and might even replace my 5DIV (I'm enjoying mirrorless more than DSLRs these days).
Dustin Abbott as much as we resist it a bit. Mirrorless looks like a certain future. It really does have very distinct and useful advantages over the dslr. Especially as the tech continually improves the evf and af accuracy.
I always thought that oversampling/'pixel binning' is the better/best way of image downsampling and that 'line skipping' is the bad one. Am I wrong? What's wrong with pixel binning?
Think of it this way: if you can divide the total number of pixels in an even fashion (6K to 4k, for example, like on the Sony a7III), you get a cleaner oversampling. If it doesn't divide properly, you have to "bin" or discard pixels, which isn't as clean.
@@DustinAbbottTWI But the 6K/4K oversampling is based on pixel binning. And it is even better than cropping, when done properly. I think that 'binning' has nothing to do with 'bin'. It's more like combining or merging. I've heard a similar negative context on pixel binning from a few (like two) other review sources as well. But somehow it doesn't make any sense to me.
As stated, it's about the math. Oversampling isn't the same as having to eliminate pixels via binning to get the proper resolution. 6K oversampling to 4K is perfect. That's not the case with the EOS R (or a7R3 other than in Super 35).
You make some fantastic and comprehensive reviews. I respect your personal and professional work. All that said, please soften the light in your videos.
Hi Dustin. I’m seriously considering getting the EOS R and had a question for you. Most of my lens are the newer Tamron lens: 35/1.8, 85 1.8, 90 macro and the G2 24-70 and G2 70-200. I haven’t seen must info on how well these lens perform for photography with the EOS R. Do you have I put on that?
@@DustinAbbottTWI wow you are quick! :) Ahh ok, thank you. I found it like that out of the box and I was surprised you hadn't noticed too. I really like your work, it's impartial and professional (I just subscribed).
Great review Dustin, as usual. I bought one and love it. But, I only shoot stills so all the videos fallout doesn’t effect me. So, for stills shooters out there who are thinking of upgrading from a 5DIII like I did, you won’t be disappointed. Great image quality out of the EOSR!
Hi Steve M, I did exactly the same , from a 5D3 , I've added a few things to mine , the battery grip and adaptor with the ring , so I love the way I can adapt all the buttons as I like . I am using adapted L glass ( so sharp ) and with my 70-200 it's still heavy but I am enjoying it .
Mr Abbott wonderful job as usual, you are the only person I would buy a piece of equipment solely based on your say so, I think if Canon would have added a joystick and second card slot 75% of the critics would have been negated, they have so much potential with this system and their choice of adapters
I really enjoyed your critique. It's precise, intelligent and diagnostic, without any "brand competitive" bias. Well done and thank you! I collected my EOS R yesterday and I'm excited at it's prospect as a worthy compliment to my EOS 5D MK IV as well as my EOS 5D SR.
Hi Clive, it's these kinds of comments that are among the most meaningful to me because it's evidence that people like yourself "get it". There's too much hyperbole on UA-cam, and it rarely creates logical outcomes.
Hi @@DustinAbbottTWI, thanks for your response. That we co-exist among brand saboteurs and those with little purpose other than to complain, there's no greater weapon than honesty. I trust that in the morass of confusion, those who seek the truth will find you, as did I.
Hi Dustin , wondering if my Tamron G2 85MM and 35mm will work well with this lense (AF and Is) , I have 3 ef lenses also so don't plan on selling these. Thankyou
Nice review.Exposure compensation works with the rear dial as long as the metering timer is active (it can be set between 4 seconds up to 30 minutes). It is not necessary to hold down the shutter release and then turn the rear dial for EC at the same time. Same as the DSLRs. Just turn the rear dial on its own. The control ring will do this all the time however, so that is a bonus. The MF-n bar is actually really useful. I set mine to change AF modes instantly by swiping and limit it to the AF modes I use only. It is great for playback too where you can tap forward or backwards or swipe to advance 2 or 3 photos at time. Faster than a clicky dial or swiping the screen one photo at a time.I have no need for the "missing" joystick as changing the focus point on the screen is much quicker and easier. Although I use them on my 5D cameras, they are fiddly to use especially when changing focus points in the wider mid section of the focus point cluster. Screen drag and focus is much better and faster.The mode dial is a non-issue. I only use it initially to setup my custom modes and never touch it again as I toggle through all the modes with the MF-n button. If I ever need video, I might use it.FV mode is a great invention. I only use that mode now in all my C modes as they are sticky and is essentially a "super' manual mode.Just my 2 cents
Shaun, it sounds like you've done a great job of mitigating potential weakness through customizing the camera. Many users won't be as confident in doing that, however, and that's why I criticized certain ergonomic issues. One shouldn't have to utilize as many workarounds as you have...though I'm glad you've got the camera doing what you want!
Just come across this review as someone looking to move to full-frame. This camera caught my eye Hopefully some of the quirks will be sorted out now. Thanks for the review.
Great review! I'm curious how you feel about using your manual focus lenses with the EOS R considering it has no IBIS. Been considering this camera and I already have a couple of zeiss lenses (and plan to pick up a Milvus)... but wondering if it's worth waiting for the next generation (even though I need a new camera...)
@@DustinAbbottTWI - That makes sense. I've seen the new focus guide (in addition to focus peaking), but I do wish it had IBIS. Do you feel getting a Milvus is a good idea now that the new RF lenses are available (in particular the RF 85mm f1.2?
@@DustinAbbottTWI - ok. I was curious. I've been wanting to get the Milvus 85mm for sometime and was ready to spring for it, but I'm looking to upgrade to EOS R... so the RF becomes an option. Of course it's a lot more $. Anyway, thanks for your input. Always enjoy your reviews.
I love MF lenses, but they just aren't as practical for as many things. You alone know what your shooting style is and whether you have t the time to be really deliberate.
Hey Dustin, thank you for another great review, all the details and for photographers important aspect of a camera with no bias, impressive. I have been using the Canon EOS R for about 1 year now and it has some limitations but overall works well.
Nice thoughtful review. Thanks. My last Canon was an AE-1. And as an owner of this model w/RF 50, 35, and 24-105 I find the output and use of the camera to be a much more pleasing experience than my 7R3. And even though I was quite skeptical of Canon’s 470 AI flash, I decided to give it a shot. It greatly speeds up shooting indoor event type shots. It removes all the fiddling time from the process and produces excellent results! This frees the fotografer to focus on creativity instead of basic lighting a wedding for instance. I can’t wait for Canon to take this to its natural conclusion with higher powered multi-light implementations. That would free me up to focus on the artistic use of my Profotos. Situations for which speed lights just get in the way. While waiting for a better Canon lens holder than the EOS R, I can still grab one of my Sonys in one of those rare cases where speed is the need.
Hey Mr Abbott, how would you say t he dual pixel auto focus compares to other models especially the 80d,dp review mentioned they were having issues with focus hunting,auto focus is a very big deal to me as i will be shooting documentaries and short films with this camera and will hope to rely on canons gold standard auto focus system,Thank you very much for all the work you put in educating the public especially knowledgable people as me. also i heard canon updated their firmware or are planning to regarding eye focus tracking and the limations of 3fps with this feauture
I had no issues with focus hunting. Canon states that the autofocus is the fastest in the world with the 24-105, and I so no reason to doubt in my experience.
Great review.Canon did say the pro version will soon be launched in late 2019.In the meantime I hold back in getting the Mark 4 until the new pro mirrorless camera.But Canon still works for me.
having a sensor with better iso is incredible.. one stop better iso is like trading up from f/4 to f/2.8 if stopping action is important.. imagine replacing all your lenses with versions that are a stop faster.. how much would that cost? definitely worth getting a camera with the absolute best iso/dynamic range :D
That true only to a very limited extent. Dynamic range doesn't really help you stopping action, unless you are purposefully underexposing everything to gain more shutter speed.
Derek Broughton. I have a 5Diii and have been looking at the 5Div for landscape but now with your review on the ESO R I am not sure what to have now ps great review
Dustin Abbott Oh, I don’t know if the video mentioned the update or not(getting the link). Either way, it’s faster than your final review video which makes you wonder with proper updates like this if it’s fair to make a final review video. No? Also, the entire internet shit on this camera and it’s pretty badass.
Hmmm, that's a good question. I think it would come down to your shooting needs. If you need to shoot action, then definitely the 5D IV. If you don't, and value some of what mirrorless brings, then go EOS R.
Thanks Dustin for another great review, one of the best in the internet universe. Would you advice updating from the 5dmk3, to use with my own 1.2L lenses , won’t buy the new ones, much too expensives ?
Hi Dustin, I’ve listened to your advice, bought one and the first thing i’noticed right away is because there’s is no mirror shake ‘I’m getting a sharper image even at 1.2, didn’t expect that and it’s going to give a new life to old lenses and for this reason it’s already a great buy..thanks again
thanks for a great review. I didn't upgrade to FF from my 70D because of weight and think this is a perfect camera for me. Question: since efs lenses convert to 11 mp, whats the actual resolution like for these lenses; especially since I shoot primarily night sky, urban in low light. thanks in advance
I'm tring to decide between the newer 90D and R. I'm not a pro or paid...just family/hobby pics. I may dable with video in the future, so 120p isn't the deciding factor. I'm mainly just a little worried with frame rate if the kids get into sports down the road after Covid :)
Looks like a fun camera and nice system. I will stick with 5div for now but will be getting a RF mount camera within a year or two on the next generation. One thing this does is allow to continue to invest in EF lenses with confidence for the adapters
I agree to the awkward control features...like that slider bar. I'll have to wait for those to be revised before upgrading, but I am considering Nikon too
Can't wait to see some of this tech in the next gen mirrorless camera. This model is on the right track but not even close to being there yet imho. But @ least Canon is trying! Can't wait to see some of this tech in the 5DM5 or even the next 5DSR if they persist with that series. Oh and I learned a new word too! 'ititeration'! @18:50 😂🤣😂 Assuming it's got something to do with iteration, but sounds WAY more fun! 😂🤣😂. Thanks for another great review Dustin! When considering a new lens or camera your channel is always my 1st or 2nd point of call! Keep em comin bro!
Why does everyone say there is no dial for EC? The rear top wheel is by default EC adjustment.... Also, the touchbar is great IF you use it without the locking feature and I have set it to adjust Kelvin when sliding and tap left is level and tap right is histogram. That works better with the touchbar than in any other way for me, so I like it!
There is no dedicated dial for EC. If you maintain that wheel for EC, then you are sacrificing either AV or TV and the typical setup that most all of us are used to with DSLRs. A multi-purpose wheel does NOT count as an Exposure Compensation dial.
That is only if you shoot in M mode, I shoot Av and use the top front dial to set aperture value and the top rear as EC, in the exact same way I’ve always used my 1-series. The difference to me is a slightly less intuitive and easy to reach top rear dial, compared to the one around the set button on my DSLR’s. But in the way I’ve always used my DSLR’s there is no difference. And in that case, the 1dx2 also lacks a dial, because it too has only two dials so I really don’t understand... Btw, I also set the control ring on my RF50 to EC, because I agree it’s easier than with the top rear dial, but now I have two dials that does the same thing... Thanks for your reply, I always greatly appreciate your reviews👍🏽👍🏽
The control ring is a very useful addition, and I currently have it to exposure compensation. My point, though, is that most competing mirrorless cameras have a dedicated EC dial (even some of the EOS M bodies), and I'm accustomed to having one.
You have real quality reviews, thats why i subscribed a long time ago. Im gonna sell my A7RIII and lenses to get this camera. Am i crazy? Always been a canon fan, especially colors and build quality, ergonomics etc....
At the end of the day I always tell people that their own opinions matter the most. You spend your money, you live with the gear. If you like the way Canon operates, then go for it.
Excellent review and not biased at all. I completely agree with what you said, there's one dial missing and the touchbar is wasted real estate on the body. Enjoyed watching it :)
None of them are! But that is not a bad thing in this case! The way dual pixel works is that every pixel is split into two and the focusing system works by comparing the left and right side sub-pixel. That is similar to what a traditional phase detect AF system works, but these operate with only a fraction of the resolution, something like 100.000 pixels, and as a consequence have to operate on larger details, thus requiring the distinction between horizontal and vertical details, whereas this sensor have access to some 26, or so, million pixels to gather AF data from, and because of that can (and must) part with the notion of "cross-type" - they are all dual pixel !
Great review as usual. I rented the Canon EOS R and this exposure compensation confused me too, but you can access it without taking 2+ steps. When you're in a mode like AV if you use the rear dial (the upper one circling the mode button) it directly gives you exposure compensation. It was a pain for me too till I looked it up.
That's only if you haven't mapped it to another function. For myself, I have the front dial set up for TV, and the rear for AV (since that's been my default setup with all my cameras for years). In AV mode, however, that means the rear dial does nothing. My point is that almost all competing mirrorless cameras have a dedicated EC dial, and I think the EOS R is missing one.
I rented this camera with the 50mm 1.2 L RF. As a 5dmkiv user I loved this camera. I wish the eye piece would disable sensing when the screen was flipped out. I also wish it had card slots, id get it instantly. Sort of waiting for the Pro version.
@@DustinAbbottTWI You can switch this off by switching manually between LCD and EVF wrench menu 4 display setting. If you then map the light button for the top display to switch between LCD and EVF (map function to customize each button) you are set. No blinking and with a press of a button which isn't used anyway you have what you want. I like this setup. In landscape shoots on tripod I got crazy if you came near the eye sensor.
Your work is greatness Dustin, impartial, eloquent, educational and inspiring. Thank you for years of non-vias free education. I am a Canon shooter and just made up my mind. Getting the EOS R today.
Enjoy your new camera. I'm glad to have helped.
The best Canon Eos R review on UA-cam! Period!
Thanks!
I am one of the first to click on his videos whenever I see a notification!
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks for that Honest Review.
I am going to buy this camera,
However, there is one thing I'd like to point out, I mean, after 4 months, you might have figured this out already.
The control ring on the RF lenses can be set to change exposure compensation.
Also, I am not sure of Canon's real reason for the cropping on the 4k, but from what I have heard, the cropping does compensate for the heating issues caused by the 4k recording.
Losing the autofocus on the 720p 120fps+ does seem strange, but I guess that's also testing the limits of Canon's best auto focus in the industry.
I have to agree the best objective review on youtube period. I bought this camera a few weeks back. I sold the a7r iii I couldn't live with the sony menus and missed the canon colour. The rf system will hea game changer I can only imagine the next release :)))
Good things come for those who wait. I waited fro your review and was rewarded with the most balanced review of the EOS R I've seen thus far. Strengths are put forward at the same level as the camera limitations, something that is a very welcomed change from the hysterics about how inadequate Canon is supposed to be that seem to be the current fad on the Net. Thank you for this informative and fair review, Dustin.
That's my goal. Thanks for the feedback.
There are narratives people cling to in photography and elsewhere. You just have to ignore them.
As has been noted by many others, Dustin's review is the "go to" reference for this camera.
Thank you!
From what i see from EOS R's limitations seems to be coming from their processor which doesn't have that much juice to power those features?
That's possible. I'm wondering if an action oriented iteration might need dual processors like the original 7D did.
@@DustinAbbottTWI they probably will
Correct. It might have been on purpose to protect a dual DIGIC future action-photography model. The guys at LensRentals already disassembled an EOS R and one thing that surprised them was how much empty space was left unused inside the camera. This might be a hint that the design was conceive taking into account multiple processors and/or cooling bays.
And while they concluded otherwise, I'm hoping that IBIS is in Canon's plans. There is room for it in there.
Dustin, would IBIS make any non IS lens behave like a lens with IS ?
Excellent review Dustin. I plan to get this camera later on. But it will only be after Canon sends out a firmware to update all the issues around it. Eye AF is one of the key reasons I want this camera. If they update the firmware and I do get it, my plans are to just get the ring adapter and use all my EF mount lenses with it since I have so many.
I think improving the Pupil AF should be possible via firmware. Your EF lenses will work great on it.
Mr Abbott is the best, nothing more to say 👍
I have the EOS R for 10 days now. One of the key reasons was with EF 50 F1.4 I had a lot of issues with Canon DSLR's especially with small kids. Even eye AF at the moment is limited as said but I am still getting almost all pictures ok for normal usage. Ok if you pixel peep you will see it is a bit off but before you would have been happy to have such a picture of small fast moving kid. The EF 50 F1.4 which is beast in the negativ sense is now a new lens, a joy to use! Ok the resolution is not mind blowing like the RF 50 F1.2 but more than good enough for my needs. A servo eye AF would put it to a next level, I hope Canon hold it's words and makes it possible via firmware upgrade.
I think this is the best and most honest review of this camera there is to see on YouTobe, great job there !!
Thank you!
I'm missing something. On Canon DSLRs, the aperture dial reverts to an exposure compensation dial when in Av or Tv. Does the R not do that?
I think if you hold the shutter down halfway you can do that. I highlight this "lack" of a dedicated dial because essentially every competing camera has a dedicated dial...plus Canon has been putting them on some of the M series cameras for a while. It feels like a missing piece on the EOS R.
@@DustinAbbottTWI well i dont like the FPS on the R in Tracking Servo Mode and the way eye AF works but other than that i like it a lot. I dont understand your statements on the exposure compensation. My R acts as expected, e.g. in AV mode you simply use the wheel under the mode dial left/right to use exposure compensation. (-/+) You don't need to half press the shutter button. So i feel in that respect you are wrong. Other than that, another great report from you. thx.
@@rainerflucke1135 My point is that almost all competing mirrorless cameras have a dedicated exposure compensation dial. The wheel under the mode dial only does exposure compensation if you map that to it, which leaves some other control unmapped.
@@DustinAbbottTWI thats my point that i don't understand - i have not "Mapped" anything in terms of the dial. In Av and TV it does exposure compensation exactly as i would expect it from my DSLR. Most of R users probably had/have a Canon DSLR and would expect from the wheel exactly that. I could not care less whether there is a button for this on any other DSLM, i would be very disappointed really, if i could not use my right thumb to do exposure compensation with the wheel under the mode button - but i can.
Hi Dustin, congratulations to this excellent review! I cracked up when you said: „things with eyes move“ - Fantastic statement, l love it! All the best!
Thanks!
I just got to this video today, and at that remark I clicked "send link at current time" to my besties
Which camera better in both videos & photos eos r or Sony a7iii??
Asal, that's really an impossible question to answer other than to say that the a7III is definitely better for video in most ways. There are too many variables on the photo side of things.
Dustin Abbott okay thanks a lot 🙏🏻
Hello Sir, can you suggest any good camera that can make in wedding video and still same time.I shall be thankful to you.
Sony a7III is hard to beat for what you described.
I am an amateur photographer, very amateur and I purchased this camera a Few weeks ago, I can say that I am very impressed, I’m hoping that I really get into using all the features or as many features as possible this is a fantastic camera
You'll enjoy the camera. It can do everything short of action photography very well.
Would very much be interested in your take on the large 1.4 Firmware update (Sept 2019) for the EOS R as to its improvements to issues you found. Thanks for your video reviews - extremely helpful.
Good news for you: I've got a second look at the EOS R planned for the end of the week.
@@DustinAbbottTWI thanks so very much! You are on top of it man.
I have been photographing ballet performances for over 21 years with various iterations of Canon film and digital bodies. Shutter noise has always been a problem to greater or lesser degrees, restricting my locations in theaters so as not to disturb patrons. I just used the Canon R for the first time for a series of performances in a packed house and the totally silent shutter mode made it a joy to work with in this sensitive environment. I am still becoming functionally familiar with the camera but on the whole my experience so far, both in the theater and other locations has been a good one.
Silent shutter is extremely useful in those situations, for sure.
Hi, I have an EOS R. I'm trying to film 4K ALLI, however my Extreme Pro 300 MB 128 GB card is filled very quickly. Any suggestion? My settings are Shutter Speed = 1/100 F= 4.0 ISO = 100. Do you have any recommendation?
Your settings have nothing to do with it. When you say “quickly”, what exactly do you mean? 4K in All-I takes up a lot of room
Very good review, it is always a joy to litsen to you talking about camera gear, mainly due to the neutral and unbiasness. You state the good, the neutral and the bad, and not just bashing the negative aspect the whole videos. This is what i am looking for for a review, not straight up negativity. It is happy to see there are more and more reviewers starting to like this camera.
I love the Canon colors, although i do not have the intention to buy the EOS R at the moment. But i do adore their glass quality and variety very much.
Like the news media, people seem more obsessed with shock value than accuracy.
As usual, great commentary from you Dustin, thank you.
My pleasure.
Dustin. Amazing as always man. You helped me buy my 80D and today, the EOS R besides its downsides it's a huge step for me from the 80D which already has way over 100k shots. Keep it up ❤️
Enjoy!
Is the camera nice to grip with larger lenses even without the extra battery grip? Or would you say it’s better to have a grip
It's the best of any mirrorless camera I've used. I haven't used the battery grip, so I can't comment on that.
Thanks for the wonderful detailed review, Dustin :)!!
You're welcome.
I have a wee problem. Apart from no GPS, no intervalopmeter.
Where it sits in my hand, I press the mode dial when I mean to press AF-On. The wheel could be a press button too, Fujifilm does that.
Yes, I do like the press function on Fuji wheels, too. Ergonomics are a little off on the EOS R.
The lack of GPS was one of my issues as well. You can however use the wireless feature to capture GPS from your mobile phone. Not as convenient of course.
One of your best reviews ever, and that is saying a lot. You provide a great service not only for consumers, Dustin, but merchants also, because you share enough trustworthy information to make a good decision without buying and returning. Much of what you said about the ergonomics I suspected by looking at the hands-on previews and carefully reading the manual. You said it right, they are off to a good start in the right direction. Personally, I'm waiting for a more mature, pro-level interface and AF system, as well as an end to the heavy cropping of 4k and lagging of at least 1080p slow motion. The rf 50mm f/1.2L cries out for a pro body to match its potential.
That's great feedback, Ken.
I’ve somehow acquired a stable of Fuji primes and xpro2 as well as a 6d and stable of canon L glass. I was thinking of updating my Xpro2 to either the xpro3 or xt3....now I see this. I won’t be selling my L glass because I use it on an EOS 1v. So, now I’m thinking of dumping my fuji kit and just grabbing the Eos R. How would you compare the IQ and Jpg (I like Fuji’s) Output from the xt3 vs Eos r?
Thanks!
I actually quite like the look of images out of the EOS R. I don't think you'll be disappointed.
Hi Dustin, If you were me, What is your exact choice about portrait work between eos r + rf 85 1.2 vs mark 4 + zeiss otus 85
I feel like I'm bursting with indecision, why i dont know but I can't get rid thinking to give up mark 4
By the way i have zeiss otus 85 right now i also can buy rf 85, just wonder your thoughts? One day when i come to usa or canada i wanna give you zeiss otus 85 as a gift? Because i really like and respect your thoughts
I love the Otus (as you know), but the EOS R and RF 85mm combination is amazing for portrait work. It’s more practical, so I’d probably recommend that.
Hi Dustin, could I please ask what camera you're using to record this video please. The colors are so bright and it looks so sharp.
Hi Paul, you can find that information at the end of each of my reviews when the final credits roll.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you, I feel embarrassed that I missed that.
I had the opportunity to have a hands on look at this camera today. It felt great in my hands. I had some trouble using the rear screen to select my focus point. What was your experience with that? Is there another way to set you focus point?
Are the efs lenses any sharper with this camera than with a crop sensor camera, such as 80D?
No, because you are working with lower resolution.
I noticed when I used ef adapted lenses that the camera would quit auto focusing if i stopped using it for even 5 seconds. It did this often and it was really annoying while shooting.
Hmmm, I didn't encounter that with either of the adapters I have on hand.
What about third party lenses compatibility? How would you rate focus for these lenses.
I do cover that in the text review. It does great with the lenses I've tested.
@@DustinAbbottTWI will go through it too. I have 135f2, 35 1.4 art, 85 1.4 art and one 15-30 g1 in arsenal. So, have to make a choice either to stick with canon or switch to sony a7iii. Because I have alot of concerns regarding future of EF mount because the emphasis has been shifted entirely from ef to rf mount
The ART lenses will do fine on either platform, and the Tamron also works fairly well even on Sony. I'm not sure about the 135L on the a7III
I want to upgrade my Canon 5D Mark III and I'm not sure what camera to chose. I'm thinking about the EOS R or the 5D Mark IV, but the 5D Mark IV is getting old. I'm also interested to switch from Canon to the Sony A7R IV. I'd appreciate if you could help me take a decision. What do you recommend?
I would definitely go with either the EOS R or the a7R IV. The RIV is obviously more expensive, and might be overkill in terms of resolution for you. I've enjoyed using both those cameras more than my 5D Mark IV at this point.
Dustin Abbott thank you for your answer!
Ok, some relief! Yes some of the short comings are way behind the competition. What do you think the firmware update will bring? Canon has mentioned that one is coming. Thank you for keeping things in perspective. I do like the camera, but I was very uneasy about my decision to buy it. Yes, this probably means I will be getting another EOS R body in the future.
I've heard that the ability to use Pupil AF during continuous autofocus is one. Beyond that I think it will mostly be bug fixes.
Thank you!
@@DustinAbbottTWI
Solid review Dustin. I’ve owned it since day one and agree with all your points. I haven’t bought any native lenses for it yet, and eagerly await what they do in the wide angle space-and what you have to say about them! I’ll have to pick up the control ring adapter... like you said, it desperately needs another control dial. I’m also awaiting reviews on the filter adapter-that could be a great purchase too, but I really wish they had been able to include a control ring on that unit too, especially at the price it’s going for.
I agree on the filter adapter. I wish it would have included the control ring, too.
Do you think my current 3rd party lenses such as Tamron and Samyang with Canon EF mount will continue to work seamlessly with this EOS R?
The ones I tested did.
Hello Mr. Abbott! Thank you again for these great reviews, I watch some few times over. Was wondering if you had planned to review some more RF lenses, like the 50 and 85mm 1.2, even the revolutionary 28-70mm f2?
I'm working on making that happen. I did purchase an EOS R in the past several weeks, and am trying to work with Canon Canada to arrange some loaners. It's been a slow process thus far.
@@DustinAbbottTWI thank you, looking forward to more RF content! Come on Canon Canada! Just sent in some Canon gear to their Repair Services, and they move quite slow here in the US too!
Dustin, I think current lens who does have focus ring, should be able to customize that ring to whatever they want.
For example, Sony can do a firmware update to allow people to customize their 'focus ring' to whatever they want. If they dont use manual focus. I mainly shoot auto focus and that ring is just sitting there not useful.
Don't you think this is a good ideal?
That might be redundant with the control ring already there.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Dustin, Sony lens dont have a control ring. I was talking about lens that doesnt have control ring. We can customize the focus ring into a control ring.
Ahh, I see what you mean.
pinkkhang I don’t think that would work because none of the EF lenses (to my knowledge) are focus by wire, and like Dustin said, all of the native RF lenses have the control ring.
Thanks for the great review! The interesting thing is that the 5D iv is now available for the same price like the eos r or even cheaper (at least in my country), so considering its basically the same sensor, which of those two camera would you buy at this point? (putting the one card slot issue and slower burst rate from the eos r aside)
If you are wanting to shoot sports, go 5DIV. If you are going to do more video work or want access to the RF mount lenses, go EOS R
Great review. Glad to know that ef lenses work great . That’s huge.
It absolutely is.
Awesome video 👌 where can I find that strap ringpin you have on the camera?
It's the Peak Design Slide Light: bhpho.to/2GntF1f
@@DustinAbbottTWI brown leather wrap that's around where you strap on the ring .. ?
Would you chose a Canon eos r with the rf 24-105 or a xt3 with the 16-55?
Currently XT3 offers more. Otherwise you could wait for something like XH1 with IBIS. Personally, I'm waiting for Canon with IBIS.
Will you be looking to buy other lenses or strictly that combination?
For the Canon I have my eye on the old version of the 50 f1.2 and the 100-400 mkii. I used to own the 100-400. I sold it to get into Sony and I sorely miss it. For the Fuji, the 80mm macro would be on my list as well as a 33mm f1.2 that is supposed to be released next year. As a side note, I sold my Canon gear last year (I did not own a lot of it) to get the Sony A7III. I thought it was my dream camera. I was disappointed right from the start. Most of the images came out flat. The skin tones were pukie green. And it just had some quirks that took the fun out of shooting for me.
One more thing, I have 0 interest in video.
If you really like Canon color, then get the EOS R. That's a big deal
Great review!
First of all nice to hear that the adapters work well also with Tamron's lenses. I think the most compelling feature of this new camera is actually the new system that will allow. Not only the new lenses, although very highly specialized, but the adapters is what really makes me awe! Especially the adapter with the drop-in filters: that means that one can use ANY lens with just one variable nd filter. That means even the humungous 150-600's or the 11-24mm from Canon!
Not getting the camera, but I'm hopeful for the future.
Now back on to saving for new lenses…
There's some great concepts in the system - now the system needs to iron out the kinks!
I had a a6000 that would not focus threw a fish tank would you know if the EOS R would ?
I couldn't say without knowing the particular fish tank. I've not had a difficult time with tanks myself, but glass can do strange things to autofocus depending on the type and curvature of it.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Just a glass Rectangular 5,10 & 20 gal. with some $50 Fancy Tail Guppies My 80D works ok but the a6000 just took pics of the glass never the fish. I'm just wondering if its a phase Vs contrast AF thing and skip looking at non-SLR's ?
I wonder if eye AF would work on Pets better than mirrorless spot AF types ?
Eye AF does not work very well with pets. They don't have the same eye pattern (white around the iris), so cameras don't pick it up as well. The EOS R (like newer Sony bodies) has a more sophisticated autofocus system than your a6000, so any of them would probably do better.
@@DustinAbbottTWI i was doing some paper work some miles away and i needed some stuff i did not have so i took the long way home past a camera shop i know and I tried out the 'R'.
It was Nice, Very Solid, a little small to me. Cramped controls wise maybe . Grip Was big feeling but nice. i felt i could hold it for hours with out cramping up.
it took me 5 seconds to get in to it 10 seconds to understand the menu. layout 7 seconds to get how to change settings. 4 seconds a to see how well it locked on to whatever i aimed it at.
The longer eye viewer EVF stock was nice to have but felt i was going to sill set off every touch control with my face. i guess i could have the screen closed and try not to touch that new touch control but idk would that slow me down if i had it set up old SLR like but with the f-stop on the lens and the ISO & shutter speed on the body and want to change something else like AF type or spot.
Fish can be low noise at high ISO and I'm not sure Fuji is there yet but i like there old style SLR like cameras .
But the EOS R did not workout for me . I tried it on the all glass displays and it was only ok with Locking on AF in the most clear non-light reflected spots . Lite scratches & light reflected any ware near the AF Point say about 2 more AF points away stopped from focusing threw past the glass to the target. that i know work on Canon DSLRs
So
Out your morning windows bird watching. (with a little back glare)
Fish Tank.
Vacation Glass-bottom boat.
Sea Aquariums with a little AC frost on it.
or maybe threw
foggy/misty woods pics
smoky school Halloween play.
might be not a mirrorless's best thing idk
You might know a few shots idk But me and some family friends do take these types of pics. Less artistic than Street, Wedding, Model or people selling adds photographs but i still know people that Vacation and have Humming bird plants and feeders out there windows that a iphone would be to wide to see what your shooting. it would be nice to see more non- photographer pro ideas reviewed and not just kids & pets in the middle of a room that a iphone 8 probably works best for anyway.
But i ramble on romantically of things working perfectly to much i think.
what's your take on the mirrorless AF vs glass ?
Hello How are you? İ want to ask something, i have canon 5d mark iii but i want to change nowadays but im undecided between canon 5d mark iv or eos r... i think you have 5d mark iv, could you help me pls which one i should buy 😂 thank you
I would probably go with the EOS R. It seems like Canon's best development right now is for mirrorless, and you can always use your EF glass there still.
I'm tempted by the change to replace my Canon 6d (version 1) but what else pulls me back is the adapter, because I have my EF lens kit that I do not want to replace with the new ones, I would like your advice; I have a 24-70 f2.8 L (version 1) that I refuse to stop using. Thank you very much for your contribution. Sorry for my English (I'm still studying) Greetings from Entre Ríos, Argentina.
There's no reason to replace your existing lenses. They will work flawlessly with the adapter.
Your reviews have been very useful for my professional development. Thank you very much for your help!
Very sensible and straight forward review
Thank you.
So based on the review, i could finally get rid of the tamron tap in console and sigma usb dock because of this exellent EOSR and third party lenses combo sir?
That's correct. Mirrorless bodies have a different approach to focus where AFMA ceases to be a factor.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks a lot for your hard work. Keep up the good work in 2019 Dustin.
Awesome, unbiased review! Thank you Dustin 🙂👍.
My pleasure.
Had to review this Canon again being that the prices started to settle. And of course nothing beats a Dustin Abbott review. Looking to pair this with my 5dm4.
Excellent video as usual and thank you so much for your time and energy putting it together.
I actually recently got an EOS R because of significant improvements to performance. I plan to review RF gear on it and might even replace my 5DIV (I'm enjoying mirrorless more than DSLRs these days).
Dustin Abbott as much as we resist it a bit. Mirrorless looks like a certain future. It really does have very distinct and useful advantages over the dslr. Especially as the tech continually improves the evf and af accuracy.
I always thought that oversampling/'pixel binning' is the better/best way of image downsampling and that 'line skipping' is the bad one. Am I wrong? What's wrong with pixel binning?
Think of it this way: if you can divide the total number of pixels in an even fashion (6K to 4k, for example, like on the Sony a7III), you get a cleaner oversampling. If it doesn't divide properly, you have to "bin" or discard pixels, which isn't as clean.
@@DustinAbbottTWI But the 6K/4K oversampling is based on pixel binning. And it is even better than cropping, when done properly. I think that 'binning' has nothing to do with 'bin'. It's more like combining or merging. I've heard a similar negative context on pixel binning from a few (like two) other review sources as well. But somehow it doesn't make any sense to me.
As stated, it's about the math. Oversampling isn't the same as having to eliminate pixels via binning to get the proper resolution. 6K oversampling to 4K is perfect. That's not the case with the EOS R (or a7R3 other than in Super 35).
You make some fantastic and comprehensive reviews. I respect your personal and professional work. All that said, please soften the light in your videos.
Thanks for the feedback.
Hi Dustin. I’m seriously considering getting the EOS R and had a question for you. Most of my lens are the newer Tamron lens: 35/1.8, 85 1.8, 90 macro and the G2 24-70 and G2 70-200. I haven’t seen must info on how well these lens perform for photography with the EOS R. Do you have I put on that?
I've tested most of those on it and without any issues.
I was wondering if the images from this video were edited or not , cuz they looked so beautiful. Are edited ? Thank you
Some yes, some no. Most of the images in my reviews have only minimal editing so that you can get a sense of actual performance.
Do you have any low feelings about the rf 24-105 lens?
I have reviews on it coming starting next week.
The mode dial is the exposure compensation in Av, Tv and P
It can be...if set up that way. I've mapped EV to the control ring, myself.
@@DustinAbbottTWI wow you are quick! :) Ahh ok, thank you. I found it like that out of the box and I was surprised you hadn't noticed too.
I really like your work, it's impartial and professional (I just subscribed).
Great review Dustin, as usual. I bought one and love it. But, I only shoot stills so all the videos fallout doesn’t effect me. So, for stills shooters out there who are thinking of upgrading from a 5DIII like I did, you won’t be disappointed. Great image quality out of the EOSR!
It does produce beautiful images
Hi Steve M, I did exactly the same , from a 5D3 , I've added a few things to mine , the battery grip and adaptor with the ring , so I love the way I can adapt all the buttons as I like . I am using adapted L glass ( so sharp ) and with my 70-200 it's still heavy but I am enjoying it .
I have the 5D3 and love the colors on it better than the 5D4. Should I skip the 5D4 and get the EOS R instead?
The colors on the EOS R are more similar to the 5D4, so I'm not sure what to tell you.
Mr Abbott wonderful job as usual, you are the only person I would buy a piece of equipment solely based on your say so, I think if Canon would have added a joystick and second card slot 75% of the critics would have been negated, they have so much potential with this system and their choice of adapters
That's for sure. I would buy the camera without a second card slot, but there are a few other things that are more pressing to me.
I really enjoyed your critique. It's precise, intelligent and diagnostic, without any "brand competitive" bias. Well done and thank you! I collected my EOS R yesterday and I'm excited at it's prospect as a worthy compliment to my EOS 5D MK IV as well as my EOS 5D SR.
Hi Clive, it's these kinds of comments that are among the most meaningful to me because it's evidence that people like yourself "get it". There's too much hyperbole on UA-cam, and it rarely creates logical outcomes.
Hi @@DustinAbbottTWI, thanks for your response. That we co-exist among brand saboteurs and those with little purpose other than to complain, there's no greater weapon than honesty. I trust that in the morass of confusion, those who seek the truth will find you, as did I.
Hi Dustin , wondering if my Tamron G2 85MM and 35mm will work well with this lense (AF and Is) , I have 3 ef lenses also so don't plan on selling these. Thankyou
They work very well (at least the 85mm, which I have on hand).
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks Dustin, hopefully the eye detect AF will be improved with Firmware , it's a shame the weather sealing is not good as the 5D4
The mode dial needs labels and the lcd on top needs not be the labels for the mode dial
BTW, did you try the EF 50mm f1.2 on the R? Notice any differenses?
I haven't used it yet, though it's on my schedule. I'm bombarded with gear to cover at the moment.
Dustin Abbott or he returned it
Very interesting Review ! Very Usefull. Thank you for all your reviews... (from Paris France)
I'm glad it helped!
Nice review.Exposure compensation works with the rear dial as long as the metering timer is active (it can be set between 4 seconds up to 30 minutes). It is not necessary to hold down the shutter release and then turn the rear dial for EC at the same time. Same as the DSLRs. Just turn the rear dial on its own. The control ring will do this all the time however, so that is a bonus.
The MF-n bar is actually really useful. I set mine to change AF modes instantly by swiping and limit it to the AF modes I use only. It is great for playback too where you can tap forward or backwards or swipe to advance 2 or 3 photos at time. Faster than a clicky dial or swiping the screen one photo at a time.I have no need for the "missing" joystick as changing the focus point on the screen is much quicker and easier. Although I use them on my 5D cameras, they are fiddly to use especially when changing focus points in the wider mid section of the focus point cluster. Screen drag and focus is much better and faster.The mode dial is a non-issue. I only use it initially to setup my custom modes and never touch it again as I toggle through all the modes with the MF-n button. If I ever need video, I might use it.FV mode is a great invention. I only use that mode now in all my C modes as they are sticky and is essentially a "super' manual mode.Just my 2 cents
Shaun, it sounds like you've done a great job of mitigating potential weakness through customizing the camera. Many users won't be as confident in doing that, however, and that's why I criticized certain ergonomic issues. One shouldn't have to utilize as many workarounds as you have...though I'm glad you've got the camera doing what you want!
I’m looking forward to your tests of the rf ,mount lenses. They look fantastic on the spec sheets.
The 24-105 is definitely better than the EF versions. I'm looking forward to the 1.2/50 and 28-70 reviews
Just come across this review as someone looking to move to full-frame. This camera caught my eye Hopefully some of the quirks will be sorted out now. Thanks for the review.
You might want to look at my "second look" video later on where I detail what has and hasn't been updated.
Funnily enough, I watched that video this morning.
Great video but I'm wondering if you could bump up the red in your sweater and add more contrast.
Ummm, surely you can appreciate that you're commenting on a video that is over a year old.
@@DustinAbbottTWI OUCH! That hurt! You really got me there, gear boy. Remember now, more red, please. Merry Christmas.
I just ordered their today as a companion to the 6D II. I really appreciate this in-depth, straightforward review. Thank you!
I think you'll enjoy it.
Excellent review as always, thanks!
Thank you
Great review! I'm curious how you feel about using your manual focus lenses with the EOS R considering it has no IBIS. Been considering this camera and I already have a couple of zeiss lenses (and plan to pick up a Milvus)... but wondering if it's worth waiting for the next generation (even though I need a new camera...)
MF is better than on DSLRs, but the lack of IBIS does make things more difficult (particularly with telephoto lenses).
@@DustinAbbottTWI - That makes sense. I've seen the new focus guide (in addition to focus peaking), but I do wish it had IBIS.
Do you feel getting a Milvus is a good idea now that the new RF lenses are available (in particular the RF 85mm f1.2?
That's a good question. I haven't tested the RF85, but I understand it is fantastic. It's probably worth your investment instead.
@@DustinAbbottTWI - ok. I was curious. I've been wanting to get the Milvus 85mm for sometime and was ready to spring for it, but I'm looking to upgrade to EOS R... so the RF becomes an option. Of course it's a lot more $.
Anyway, thanks for your input. Always enjoy your reviews.
I love MF lenses, but they just aren't as practical for as many things. You alone know what your shooting style is and whether you have t the time to be really deliberate.
Great review. I just purchased this camera. Thanks.
Enjoy!
Hey Dustin, thank you for another great review, all the details and for photographers important aspect of a camera with no bias, impressive. I have been using the Canon EOS R for about 1 year now and it has some limitations but overall works well.
Glad it was helpful!
Nice thoughtful review. Thanks. My last Canon was an AE-1. And as an owner of this model w/RF 50, 35, and 24-105 I find the output and use of the camera to be a much more pleasing experience than my 7R3. And even though I was quite skeptical of Canon’s 470 AI flash, I decided to give it a shot. It greatly speeds up shooting indoor event type shots. It removes all the fiddling time from the process and produces excellent results! This frees the fotografer to focus on creativity instead of basic lighting a wedding for instance. I can’t wait for Canon to take this to its natural conclusion with higher powered multi-light implementations. That would free me up to focus on the artistic use of my Profotos. Situations for which speed lights just get in the way. While waiting for a better Canon lens holder than the EOS R, I can still grab one of my Sonys in one of those rare cases where speed is the need.
Of all the reviews seen, the RF lenses are clearly a notch above the competition.
Sounds like a good fit.
Joe A7Rii Haha.. “Canon lens holder” 😂 SO TRUE
The Mode dial defaults to exposure compensation... Or at least it did on mine.
You can set it up for that, for sure.
As always - the most thorough review
Thanks!
Hey Mr Abbott,
how would you say t he dual pixel auto focus compares to other models especially the 80d,dp review mentioned they were having issues with focus hunting,auto focus is a very big deal to me as i will be shooting documentaries and short films with this camera and will hope to rely on canons gold standard auto focus system,Thank you very much for all the work you put in educating the public especially knowledgable people as me. also i heard canon updated their firmware or are planning to regarding eye focus tracking and the limations of 3fps with this feauture
I had no issues with focus hunting. Canon states that the autofocus is the fastest in the world with the 24-105, and I so no reason to doubt in my experience.
Do you prefer 5d mark 4 or EOS R
That's a loaded question. For what? For sports shooting, I prefer the 5D IV. For video and general purpose shooting, the EOS R could be better.
Great review.Canon did say the pro version will soon be launched in late 2019.In the meantime I hold back in getting the Mark 4 until the new pro mirrorless camera.But Canon still works for me.
It will be interesting to see what the future holds for the R series. I'm looking forward to it.
Canon better comes out MarkII quickly
having a sensor with better iso is incredible.. one stop better iso is like trading up from f/4 to f/2.8 if stopping action is important.. imagine replacing all your lenses with versions that are a stop faster.. how much would that cost? definitely worth getting a camera with the absolute best iso/dynamic range :D
That true only to a very limited extent. Dynamic range doesn't really help you stopping action, unless you are purposefully underexposing everything to gain more shutter speed.
Derek Broughton. I have a 5Diii and have been looking at the 5Div for landscape but now with your review on the ESO R I am not sure what to have now ps great review
Glad it was helpful!
****** 13:30 Update on the eye AF mid April. I've seen videos where it beats Sony's eye Af.
I'm not convinced of that after Sony's firmware 3.0.
Dustin Abbott Oh, I don’t know if the video mentioned the update or not(getting the link). Either way, it’s faster than your final review video which makes you wonder with proper updates like this if it’s fair to make a final review video. No? Also, the entire internet shit on this camera and it’s pretty badass.
If the EOS R and 5D IV were priced the same, which would be the better purchase?
Hmmm, that's a good question. I think it would come down to your shooting needs. If you need to shoot action, then definitely the 5D IV. If you don't, and value some of what mirrorless brings, then go EOS R.
The Nikon D850
Dustin Abbott Would fashion runway shots fall under “action” or are you talking more like sports?
Thanks Dustin for another great review, one of the best in the internet universe. Would you advice updating from the 5dmk3, to use with my own 1.2L lenses , won’t buy the new ones, much too expensives ?
I think you would probably be happy with that upgrade, yes.
Merci Dustin !
Hi Dustin, I’ve listened to your advice, bought one and the first thing i’noticed right away is because there’s is no mirror shake ‘I’m getting a sharper image even at 1.2, didn’t expect that and it’s going to give a new life to old lenses and for this reason it’s already a great buy..thanks again
@@franckcohen That's a definite plus. The shutter definitely introduces less vibration.
thanks for a great review. I didn't upgrade to FF from my 70D because of weight and think this is a perfect camera for me. Question: since efs lenses convert to 11 mp, whats the actual resolution like for these lenses; especially since I shoot primarily night sky, urban in low light. thanks in advance
I thought they looked great, actually. You don't have as much image to work with, but what you have is definitely quality.
not one single mention of the manual focus assists?
I did speak of them in the text review and in my subsequent long term "second look" video.
@@DustinAbbottTWI indeed you did - i stand corrected - i also liked the second look - good decision - thanks for the reply
I'm tring to decide between the newer 90D and R. I'm not a pro or paid...just family/hobby pics. I may dable with video in the future, so 120p isn't the deciding factor. I'm mainly just a little worried with frame rate if the kids get into sports down the road after Covid :)
That's a legitimate concern, so if you think you might need to track action, that's definitely a mark in the 90D's favor.
Looks like a fun camera and nice system. I will stick with 5div for now but will be getting a RF mount camera within a year or two on the next generation. One thing this does is allow to continue to invest in EF lenses with confidence for the adapters
That's true.
I agree to the awkward control features...like that slider bar. I'll have to wait for those to be revised before upgrading, but I am considering Nikon too
I do think Canon will continue to improve the EOS R system - ergonomics are typically a strength for them.
Excellent, excellent review, thanks!
You're welcome.
Lots of information. great review. thank you so much.
My pleasure.
Can't wait to see some of this tech in the next gen mirrorless camera. This model is on the right track but not even close to being there yet imho. But @ least Canon is trying! Can't wait to see some of this tech in the 5DM5 or even the next 5DSR if they persist with that series. Oh and I learned a new word too! 'ititeration'! @18:50 😂🤣😂 Assuming it's got something to do with iteration, but sounds WAY more fun! 😂🤣😂. Thanks for another great review Dustin! When considering a new lens or camera your channel is always my 1st or 2nd point of call! Keep em comin bro!
There are some encouraging signs there for the future.
Why does everyone say there is no dial for EC? The rear top wheel is by default EC adjustment....
Also, the touchbar is great IF you use it without the locking feature and I have set it to adjust Kelvin when sliding and tap left is level and tap right is histogram. That works better with the touchbar than in any other way for me, so I like it!
There is no dedicated dial for EC. If you maintain that wheel for EC, then you are sacrificing either AV or TV and the typical setup that most all of us are used to with DSLRs. A multi-purpose wheel does NOT count as an Exposure Compensation dial.
That is only if you shoot in M mode, I shoot Av and use the top front dial to set aperture value and the top rear as EC, in the exact same way I’ve always used my 1-series. The difference to me is a slightly less intuitive and easy to reach top rear dial, compared to the one around the set button on my DSLR’s. But in the way I’ve always used my DSLR’s there is no difference. And in that case, the 1dx2 also lacks a dial, because it too has only two dials so I really don’t understand...
Btw, I also set the control ring on my RF50 to EC, because I agree it’s easier than with the top rear dial, but now I have two dials that does the same thing...
Thanks for your reply, I always greatly appreciate your reviews👍🏽👍🏽
The control ring is a very useful addition, and I currently have it to exposure compensation. My point, though, is that most competing mirrorless cameras have a dedicated EC dial (even some of the EOS M bodies), and I'm accustomed to having one.
You have real quality reviews, thats why i subscribed a long time ago. Im gonna sell my A7RIII and lenses to get this camera. Am i crazy? Always been a canon fan, especially colors and build quality, ergonomics etc....
At the end of the day I always tell people that their own opinions matter the most. You spend your money, you live with the gear. If you like the way Canon operates, then go for it.
Great is the ability to use old EF lenses with the free adaptor
Excellent review. Thank you!
You're welcome.
Excellent review and not biased at all. I completely agree with what you said, there's one dial missing and the touchbar is wasted real estate on the body. Enjoyed watching it :)
Glad to hear it, since this is perhaps the longest video I've ever posted.
Are all of the auto focus points cross type. Great video!!
From what I can tell, yes.
None of them are! But that is not a bad thing in this case! The way dual pixel works is that every pixel is split into two and the focusing system works by comparing the left and right side sub-pixel. That is similar to what a traditional phase detect AF system works, but these operate with only a fraction of the resolution, something like 100.000 pixels, and as a consequence have to operate on larger details, thus requiring the distinction between horizontal and vertical details, whereas this sensor have access to some 26, or so, million pixels to gather AF data from, and because of that can (and must) part with the notion of "cross-type" - they are all dual pixel !
Thanks Richard
Great review as usual. I rented the Canon EOS R and this exposure compensation confused me too, but you can access it without taking 2+ steps. When you're in a mode like AV if you use the rear dial (the upper one circling the mode button) it directly gives you exposure compensation. It was a pain for me too till I looked it up.
That's only if you haven't mapped it to another function. For myself, I have the front dial set up for TV, and the rear for AV (since that's been my default setup with all my cameras for years). In AV mode, however, that means the rear dial does nothing. My point is that almost all competing mirrorless cameras have a dedicated EC dial, and I think the EOS R is missing one.
Thank you for the review, Dustin .
You're welcome.
Thank you Mr Abbott
Great review thanks Dustin!
You're welcome.
I rented this camera with the 50mm 1.2 L RF. As a 5dmkiv user I loved this camera. I wish the eye piece would disable sensing when the screen was flipped out. I also wish it had card slots, id get it instantly. Sort of waiting for the Pro version.
That's a good point about the screen.
@@DustinAbbottTWI You can switch this off by switching manually between LCD and EVF wrench menu 4 display setting. If you then map the light button for the top display to switch between LCD and EVF (map function to customize each button) you are set. No blinking and with a press of a button which isn't used anyway you have what you want. I like this setup. In landscape shoots on tripod I got crazy if you came near the eye sensor.