Are Apex REALLY The Bad Guys!? Monsterverse Titan Threat Solved!

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  • @landrymiller
    @landrymiller 2 роки тому +24

    Going back and rewatching KoTM, I realized that the military had no knowledge Godzilla was in the area when they launched the OD, the OD was meant for Ghidorah & Rodan, which more so solidified the OD being a good idea. Just right place, wrong time on Godzilla’s part haha

  • @SaurianStudios1207
    @SaurianStudios1207 2 роки тому +7

    Here’s the thing: both Mechagodzilla and the Oxygen destroyer were incredibly advanced pieces of technology that have a lot of potential for both good and bad uses. Their existence alone isn’t evil since they are just tools or pieces of technology, just like how a hammer is a tool that could be used either in a good or bad way or something like social media can be used in both good ways and bad ways depending on the person who uses it. Mechagodzilla and the Oxygen destroyer are both from a militaristic standpoint, the most advanced and logical way to fight titans, but the way they were used in Kotm and GvK was by incompetence or misguided intentions. The big problem I have with all this is that The oxygen destroyer was just a quick cameo scene that felt totally wasted, no build up, no explanation or even ethical questions surrounding it, it just appeared outta now for the sake of plot convenience to get Godzilla out of the picture. Mechagodzilla on the other hand, does play a major role in GvK and at least had some build up and justification for why he’s in the movie, but from a continuity standpoint it didn’t make much sense for humanity to leap that far in technology since the MonsterVerse has many inconsistencies in its worldbuilding and narrative. Despite that, Mechagodzilla was still pretty badass and ruthless against both Godzilla and Kong, he gave them both a harder time than Ghidorah ever did in KOTM. Walter Simmons (CEO of apex cybernetics) and Ren Serizawa both have personal issues (whether it be losing their trust in Godzilla to keep the balance of nature while living in constant fear that titans can show up at any minute or having an estranged relationship with your father whom was more interested in studying Godzilla than the well being of his own son) which gave them that motivation to use Mechagodzilla in an “evil” way to defend humanity from Godzilla and the titans. In short, Mechagodzilla and the Oxygen destroyer were simply misunderstood, pieces of incredibly advanced, technological weapons that were just placed under misguided intentions by people with morally grey intentions, when they could be used to accomplish many good things, giving them the impression that they were evil weapons of mass destruction by everyone else.

  • @GojiSonic
    @GojiSonic 2 роки тому +5

    NGL I think you have a really good point when talking about Mechagodzilla

  • @sevet1979
    @sevet1979 2 роки тому +12

    If other countries around the world can build their own Mechagodzillas, why not got the extra mile and create their own designs for each mecha like in pacific rim. It would make each country’s mecha look unique

    • @lindamarquet1688
      @lindamarquet1688 2 роки тому

      I would love to see a Monsterverse version of Super Mechagodzilla and Kiryu and maybe even Ready Player One Mechagodzilla.

  • @josephgibson5902
    @josephgibson5902 Рік тому +3

    I don't think Walter Simmons had great intentions. His monologue seems to make it clear that he is someone who wants power over others, and that is his motivation for creating Mechagodzilla, to have power over Godzilla. He strings along Ren by manipulating his familial insecurities and hatred of monsters as well as manipulating Lind to keep putting Kong in dangerous situations. The movie has his introductory video framed as a threat where employees are not going anywhere, and the novelization indicates that he is responsible for putting a hit on Bernie's wife. Furthermore, Simmons is so reckless in achieving his goals; he keeps chasing crazy ideas that just seem to pay off until they don't anymore snd everything he cares about is destroyed. Godzilla's attacks for instance are not something he planned, nor Godzilla's drilling, Kong's finding of the axe. He is just able to spin these situations his way. (The ORCA-Z was cut from this version, so the implication is that Ghidorah's skull through the eyes is sending out the signal that stresses out Godzilla since Simmons later does not seem to understand why Godzilla is coming for them anyways). And even so, he forces Ren to pilot the machine anyways, very reckless once more. And if Mechagodzilla were primarily for defense, why would he rush it out so quickly to kill Godzilla. The conditions of his sacrifice pit are inhumane, the existence of his sacrifice pit shows that he enables the torture of animals and he uses dangerous skulls and untested energy that lead to thr destruction of a densely populated city. Even if his intentions were good, there is far too much villainy to ignore to call him the good guy (he controls Apex, but the assessment of Apex is also somehow less generous if you examine it as the organization. Armed guards pull their guns on intruders, even just Greenpeace. Maia leaves civilians including a child to die. Ren tortures animals. There is that one good armed guard that escorts Lind to safety, but he just makes the rest seem all the more reprehensible by comparison). Mechagodzilla could be used for good, but he also wouldn't really have to. Godzilla can use Hollow Earth portals to travel across the Earth very quickly, he will encounter or sense most threats before the humans do, and he is just all around more capable of defeating threats such as Ghidorah, maybe the MUTOs or Tiamat, all of whom could likely destroy a Mechagodzilla fairly easily.

  • @wademcgray9748
    @wademcgray9748 2 роки тому +4

    The real reason why Godzilla fans view the Oxygen Destroyer with fear is because it didn't bring about the existence of a new titan, it made a demon. Destroyah's presence itself demands respect; it commands fear.
    I fear that modern audiences with take Monsterverse Destroyah too lightly, and not look at the beast in the same way as old-school fans see him. If anything, it's sad to think about.

  • @Supersaurus4
    @Supersaurus4 2 роки тому +5

    Robots are not good or evil, only the people who make them tend to program them for those purposes.
    Mechagodzilla is a definitive example of that. Walter Simmons never anticipated that Ghidorah’s DNA would corrupt the mech’s programming, he just wanted to show the world that humans now had a means of fighting back against the Titans.
    Godzilla likely would never have come for Apex if he didn’t sense Ghidorah’s presence somewhere within their company.

  • @titanuskolasaurus2050
    @titanuskolasaurus2050 2 роки тому +11

    Do I think apex are evil? Yes and no. They have good intentions but act evil and malicious.

    • @A10N50
      @A10N50 Рік тому +1

      that's because their motives were fueled by revenge, Gamera 3: Revenge of Iris is a kiaju movie all about that

  • @jenathangajan1795
    @jenathangajan1795 2 роки тому +5

    Then again, if they didn’t use the Hollow Earth energy to fuel up Mechagodzilla, Ghidorah wouldn’t take control of it.

    • @KENSHIROez3260
      @KENSHIROez3260 2 роки тому +2

      King Ghidorah seem to have actually foreseen it (could be their hidden power)

  • @Xenosaurian
    @Xenosaurian 2 роки тому +3

    I COMPLETELY AGREE! This is exactly what I've been saying for the past year!

  • @titanuskolasaurus2050
    @titanuskolasaurus2050 2 роки тому +3

    19:30 Thank you deep and dark voice. I will hundred percent make sure to never disrespect behemoth.

    • @KingKong19100
      @KingKong19100  2 роки тому +1

      I made fun of behemoth and am at home trying to sleep but keep seeing shadows at my window please pick me up

    • @titanuskolasaurus2050
      @titanuskolasaurus2050 2 роки тому +1

      @@KingKong19100 Nah man you’re on your own.

  • @davidostapenko2578
    @davidostapenko2578 2 роки тому +5

    1:36
    Indeed but Ren Serizawa had a huge Potential to be one

  • @davidostapenko2578
    @davidostapenko2578 2 роки тому +8

    12:44
    This is the Writer's fault, not Monarch's fault

    • @zandergonzalez5190
      @zandergonzalez5190 2 роки тому +3

      Monarch can be a good guy but writers of monster verse are trash and lazy

    • @davidostapenko2578
      @davidostapenko2578 2 роки тому +2

      @@zandergonzalez5190 Exactly

    • @guest9243
      @guest9243 Рік тому

      Just stop giving licenses to the United States. 🤦‍♂️
      Edit: ‘Just’

  • @johnjackson2956
    @johnjackson2956 2 роки тому +4

    Says that apex are the good guys, despite being responsible for provoking Godzilla to attacking the mainland, and the destruction caused in Hong Kong by Mechagodzilla. Also says that the oxygen destroyer is good despite knowing the fact that it had no effect on Ghidorah who plunged the whole world into chaos and destroying the ecosystem in the ocean floor. Also it could give the possibility of the birth of Destroyah. (This is yet to be confirmed by Legendary)

    • @raiabdullah8290
      @raiabdullah8290 2 роки тому

      Signals coming from monster zero skull provoke Godzilla. I don't think apex themselves know about this. Mechagodzilla goes on a rampage in hong Kong was a accident. The military they did not know that king ghidorah is from space. If they know that , they never launched oxygen destroyer. Destoroyah is not officially confirm, oxygen destroyer was also used in gmk and kriyu saga but no destoroyah appear there.

    • @KingKong19100
      @KingKong19100  2 роки тому

      Well once again, Apex has good intentions and a rock solid alibi. Humanity is going to always need a back up in case Godzilla isn't able to make it in time. And I'm sure if Apex knew it was the Ghidorah head that was directly causing Godzilla to rampage then they would try and find another way to power MG, as clearly Godzilla is costing Apex a lot of money and resources per attack.
      The OD is a good weapon. It can kill any earthly titan. Ghidorah is a different situation entirely I assume because of his lack of a need for oxygen within his cells. I think you missed my whole point on that. If in the right hands, it can be a very capable weapon solving the titan threat entirely. The Destroyah mutation is pure speculation. It's possible, but so far nothing in the MV points to that which is literally what I say in the video.

  • @wademcgray9748
    @wademcgray9748 2 роки тому +1

    Mechagodzilla by itself is not evil. Mechagodzilla was controlled by Ghidorah via its skull. And Apex technically is evil, since they were creating Mechagodzilla to usurp and overthrow Godzilla. Yes we should create our own line of defense in case Godzilla or Kong are busy. But it should be controlled by military, not a secret company.
    However, Apex's actions should remain unjustified as they wanted Godzilla gone despite him trying to protect us.
    The perfect way to frame him was by emitting signals that resembled Ghidorah, causing Godzilla to attack. Additionally, Ren Serizawa wanted to kill Godzilla because of how his father was obsessed with Godzilla, and also sacrificed himself to save him.
    In other words, Ren had daddy issues, a problem that should've been more addressed in the film.

  • @ghidorahmagnus1185
    @ghidorahmagnus1185 2 роки тому +2

    I personally think if anything the military in the Monsterverse should invest into self-replicating nanomachines, or at least a titan sized equivalent. Kinda like the nanometal in the anime trilogy. They could easily overwhelm any titan, and they might even be able to repair damaged parts, so that slashing or stabbing weapons like Kong's axe or Behemoth's tusk would be rendered practically useless. If they wanted, they could even give the nanomachines the ability to inject OD into a target's bloodstream.

  • @cheemsthagoat7359
    @cheemsthagoat7359 2 роки тому +1

    Bro out here taking every chance he can get to make fun of Gal gadot 🗿

    • @KingKong19100
      @KingKong19100  2 роки тому +1

      Her acting skill rivals that of The Rock

  • @bobthereaper1017
    @bobthereaper1017 2 роки тому +3

    The ending and the sponsor bit took me out😭😭😭😭😭
    I'd say thar Apex's intentions weren't evil but as the old saying goes "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." They are directly responsible for Godzilla's multiple rampages(unless there was actually only 2 and all those sticky notes labeled "Godzilla attack" were all bs). Alot of people died and alot of property was destroyed in the process. tbh after the first attack they should've taken a step back from the project and took a deeper look into their creation of mechagodzilla seeing as they are messing with the corpse of a creature that almost destroyed the planet. They really needed someone like Ian Malcolm with them to temper their constant "can we do this?" with a little "should we do this?". Although I'm pretty sure Ren was supposed to be that person. So is apex evil? Nope not at all but they are definitely not sinless. The perfect antagonist for this kind of plot imo although better writing could make them a little better. Also we probably wont see apex active again because of what I said above they'll be getting sued into the ground and maybe become an extension of monarch.
    Other then that you're 100% about their intentions being well placed. If they had made mechagodzilla as originally intend they would be justified and if monarch were to be in control of a mecha it probably make their jobs so much easier. Also you are 1000% right about humanities use of the oxygen destroyer. The military wasn't wrong for dropping it on Godzilla or ghidorah in the grand scheme of things even if it didnt work. I mean Godzilla's my boy and I love him but from the in universe human perspective who really gives a shit if they had both these overgrown reptiles died(I did come up with possible consequences of Godzilla dying but at this point humanity would have no idea about the all the titans in the hollow earth). Their hasn't been any in universe deep consequences to the oxygen destroyer that would stop it from being used again and it's way more effective at killing titans then even mechagodzilla is.
    Btw do u have a discord or something I got ideas about the monstverese that I'd like to spitball with someone

    • @johnjackson2956
      @johnjackson2956 2 роки тому

      Wtf

    • @bobthereaper1017
      @bobthereaper1017 2 роки тому

      @@johnjackson2956 what?

    • @Agent-57
      @Agent-57 10 місяців тому

      Do you know the meaning of DIRECT ?

    • @bobthereaper1017
      @bobthereaper1017 10 місяців тому

      @@Agent-57 Yes, why?

    • @Agent-57
      @Agent-57 10 місяців тому

      @@bobthereaper1017 You clearly don't. Godzilla is responsible for those rampages.

  • @tatjanapavlova6551
    @tatjanapavlova6551 2 роки тому +3

    Aggre at the end by the way it makes sense👍👍👍

  • @davidostapenko2578
    @davidostapenko2578 2 роки тому +3

    4:32
    But don't forget Destoroyah

  • @Surya25170
    @Surya25170 2 роки тому +2

    Noice

  • @gojirathebirb
    @gojirathebirb 2 роки тому +1

    But what if Behemmoth (as example) decides to destroy a complete city to make space for a new rain forest. It would harm humans, but help alot of endangered species. He maybe would continue, what would be the right choice? Or Godzilla is completly sick of humanity and wants to get rid of them or decrease the populations. Killing either of them would harm humanity aswell. But interesting topic.

  • @RaptorofRex07
    @RaptorofRex07 2 роки тому +1

    Let me ask you if MechaGodzilla work with out Ghidorah influence and all titans are destroyed. Then what happens when mankind turns on itself? Power can corrupt and with a weapon like MG could have major ramifications, like world domination if the wrong person has this. Same with the oxygen destroyer

  • @GenericProtagonist7
    @GenericProtagonist7 Рік тому +2

    Obviously, Apex as a concept is great and are unequivocally doing the right thing in the primary goal, allowing these monsters to be the top of the food chain is just BEGGING for a mass scale extinction of all humanity. Even if a billion people were killed as a consequence of Apex's actions, that's a billion deaths right now to avoid literally incomprehensible, uncountable amounts of death that are caused by the existence of Kaiju. Apex is objectively right; humanity *needs* to be the apex species to guarantee our survival.
    Problem is that the *people* at the top of Apex are individually assholes, who make stupid decisions such as seeking revenge on literal animals.

  • @johnjackson2956
    @johnjackson2956 2 роки тому

    It would be funny if they created multiple mechagodzillas to take down the titans only all to get one-shotted by a super-monster like Destroyah. Lol

  • @GiganRico
    @GiganRico 2 роки тому

    Here's the definitive answer to how Mechagodzilla can be rebuilt and can kill everything:
    Put lasers everywhere on him. Have lasers come out of his hands, chest, mouth, eyes, tail (Basically anywhere where it won't look weird). We saw what putting multiple lasers on him can do against Godzilla in the Heisei era before so why not take advantage of the fact you can make lasers and put like 20 on him to roast his enemies with.

  • @nozukicrawler1683
    @nozukicrawler1683 2 роки тому

    Hey dude what do you think about wingard returning to direct the new kong movie? I am lowkey scared of what he will do to kong....

    • @KingKong19100
      @KingKong19100  2 роки тому

      We’ll probably get some better monster action where Kong keeps getting saved lol

    • @nozukicrawler1683
      @nozukicrawler1683 2 роки тому

      @@KingKong19100 yeah I hope that it's only a rumor and that they will hire vogt-roberts or even better Peter Jackson again, cause Adam already did enough damage to kong....

    • @rahulsastha4493
      @rahulsastha4493 2 роки тому

      @@nozukicrawler1683 bro is it 100% confirmed that Adam wingard will direct son of kong movie??

    • @nozukicrawler1683
      @nozukicrawler1683 2 роки тому

      @@rahulsastha4493 at this point Il'l be waiting for Godzilla 3, I don't wanna see kong getting saved by humans every 5 seconds, plus Adam said that he considers kong as a pet....

  • @davidostapenko2578
    @davidostapenko2578 2 роки тому

    1:14
    Despite the Fact that in 1954\1996 the Oxygen Destroyer literally gave birth to a Red Flying Killing-machine that can EASILY wreck the sh*t out of both Darkseid & Thanos? (both the Comic versions & the Movie versions)

    • @KingKong19100
      @KingKong19100  2 роки тому +1

      Separate universes

    • @Agent-57
      @Agent-57 10 місяців тому

      Haha. Both Darksied and Thanos fold every monsterverse character in existence.

  • @Godzilla-tu2cd
    @Godzilla-tu2cd 2 роки тому

    No Mechagodzilla is not the problem. It's a very good solution. Just don't use the skull of Ghidorah and don't allow a company who sole purpose is to kill Godzilla and take over the role as alpha to build it

  • @davidostapenko2578
    @davidostapenko2578 2 роки тому +2

    19:36
    No, No, No
    Don't take it back
    Make your point, just like Me
    & BTW - Behemoth is Overrated & Sucks

  • @KENSHIROez3260
    @KENSHIROez3260 2 роки тому +9

    Personally.. I think they are evil because they seriously think humanity can win against mother nature lol

    • @raiabdullah8290
      @raiabdullah8290 2 роки тому

      No we have rights to defend ourselves.

    • @KENSHIROez3260
      @KENSHIROez3260 2 роки тому +4

      @@raiabdullah8290 from threat like King Ghidorah yes but from Godzilla? no

    • @jenathangajan1795
      @jenathangajan1795 2 роки тому +2

      Exactly, Godzilla saved humanity TWICE. And Mechagodzilla was specifically built to take down Godzilla.

    • @raiabdullah8290
      @raiabdullah8290 2 роки тому

      @@KENSHIROez3260 if godzilla turn on humanity then what ? you cannot blindly trust on godzilla.

    • @raiabdullah8290
      @raiabdullah8290 2 роки тому

      @@jenathangajan1795 godzilla never save humans in first place. He fight to keep his dominance.

  • @davidostapenko2578
    @davidostapenko2578 2 роки тому +1

    0:02
    When you think about it? NO, THEY WARN'T

  • @lindamarquet1688
    @lindamarquet1688 2 роки тому +1

    Mechagodzilla wasn't evil Ghidorah just high jacked Apex's operation, because well he pay back against Godzilla. So if anything they should not have used the skull of Ghidorah but how they have known that? Ghidorah is almost like the headless horseman coming back from the dead to take revenge, and let's not forget that each of Ghidorah's heads had different personalities, and they probably share a relationship like siblings, so this skull is not getting revenge for its own death but it's also avenging its siblings, which is kinda of understandable. But then again Ghidorah did try to take over earth so yeah Ghidorah had that coming. So Apex doesn't deserve as much blame I mean how the hell did they know Ghidorah was gonna come back like Michael Myers. But after I keep my eyes on it. Because God knows what else he can do when he's dead.
    What the hell was that at the end?! 🤨

    • @shadowarro9426
      @shadowarro9426 2 роки тому +1

      I was reading one of your old comments and you made a story of for your Kaijuverse, I was wondering if I can read it?

    • @lindamarquet1688
      @lindamarquet1688 2 роки тому +1

      @@shadowarro9426 Well it is a work in progress, you know what hell trying to create a foundation. Storytelling is not easy especially when you want a large majority of your audience to be satisfied with what they receive. I'm not going to pull a Ryan Johnson if you know what I mean by if not at the moment that is not important.
      Chapter 1: Is an introductory story. Ten stories will take place over the course of Chapter 1 (Godzilla, Kong, Gamera, Rodan, Mothra, a human focused story, Godzilla vs Gamera, Godzilla vs Kong, and Kaiju Battle Royale Part 1 & 2)
      I don't want to give a way too much. But let me know if you want more or if this did not interest you in the slightest, then I will keep dead brain thoughts to myself.

    • @shadowarro9426
      @shadowarro9426 2 роки тому +1

      @@lindamarquet1688 I'm interested! And I understand that, as I am currently trying to rewrite the Monsterverse

    • @lindamarquet1688
      @lindamarquet1688 2 роки тому +1

      @@shadowarro9426 Hmm you have also interested me. Enlighten me.

    • @shadowarro9426
      @shadowarro9426 2 роки тому +1

      @@lindamarquet1688 Well at the moment, my Mv versions of Godzilla 2014, King of The Monsters and GVK are basically similar to KingKong1988
      My Canon is:
      Godzilla Awakening Comic
      Kong's Skull Island
      Birth of Kong Comic
      2014
      Aftershock Comic
      King of The Monsters
      GvK
      Godzilla: Fear Dominion Comic
      Kong: Kingdom of Nightmares Comic
      Rodan: King of The Skies Comic
      Rodan movie
      Untitled Godzilla vs Anguirus movie
      Untitled Kong movie
      Mothra Comic
      Untitled Mothra movie