McAvoy and Fassbender really were perfect for these roles, and they had to follow up Stewart and McKellen, who were perfect for those roles in that original trilogy.
Thomas Lunardi not the way it’ll fly, but luckily they’ll have time. They aren’t making X-Men right away, so maybe in a few years, Marvel will ask them to reprise after they have done other projects.
@@Lonehawk2k4 true I mean Ryan Reynolds is coming back as deadpool in the mcu so it ain't that far fetched to get James McAvoy and Micheal Fassbender to reprise their roles they did manage to get evan peters back aswell pissed off that they ruined his character
Well that's the whole point of it. It's like the mind and heart. Magneto is the mind that calculates and rationalises everything whereas Professor Xavier is the heart that is more sympathetic.
Aaron Zuniga Yeah but Magneto ultimately becomes the very thing that destroyed his life in the first place back when he was a child & a victim of The Holocaust. Magneto ends up believing that Mutantkind is totally superior & that Humankind has outlived its existence & needs to be eradicated just as The Nazis believed that they were the so-called master race & wanted to render anyone who didn't match their twisted notions extinct. Magneto tragically becomes the very same dark ruthless merciless monster that originally ruined his life & shattered his innocence.
@@equivalentexchangeisalie5726 On a societal scale, probably, at least in the movies. But Charles' inability to fully acknowledge hard truths does hurt him in his personal relationships with his students, most notably Raven and Phoenix.
After seeing what happened in DOFP & Logan & knowing that the govt had no issue forcing a cure on mutants back in X3, it’s hard to blame Magneto for forming a Brotherhood & trying to stop humans from eradicating the mutant race.
i love the part where Xavier says, "We have it in us to be the better men." And Erik responds with an equally emphatic "We already are." literally in just two lines of dialogue, they not only captured the essence of both men, but also the genesis of their conflict, and how they both have full conviction in what they believe is the best path for mutants the crazy thing is neither one is wrong, they just have totally different perspectives on what it means to be "better men."
I love this film. It made seem harder which side you thought was “right”. I think in this film they subtly hint that Charles isn’t as flawless as he was in the later films. Especially when he avoided the question of would he date Raven is she were blue. It gave some credibility to what’s later said in the film that he just wants to fit in and made me think maybe there’s a more superficial reason that he wants peace in the way he is going about it. Whereas Magneto even though he may be wrong in outright killing people had an honest and genuine reason in that he just wanted to protect his own kind. It’s kinda like Charles was pandering to a bully and always forgiving them because he wants to fit in in school Magneto straight up preemptively attacks the bully because he knows the bully will hit him first. Looking at it that way, it’s a lot less clear cut who is right than it is in the later films.
It's never really mentioned in the movie, but in the comics Charles was repeatedly abused by his stepbrother Cain. Knowing that and with your explanation, Charles moral standing makes sense.
Yep. Throughout First Class and DOFP (before he gains his confidence back), Charles acted like he was ashamed of his mutant heritage sometimes and it rubbed onto Erik and Raven and further enabled by Hank, who feels similar.
Erik is factually correct, Charles is morally correct. It’s the dilemma found in every “realist” vs “idealist/dovish” approach regarding foreign policy for instance. The final quote from “Se7en” put it perfectly: “Hemingway once said ‘The world is a good place worth fighting for’; I agree with the last part”.
One of my favourite scenes of the WHOLE franchise. "Peace was never an option" has to be my favourite line from Erik, it embodies his character perfectly.
Both this movie and DOFP did better with that kind of deep philosophical conundrum than Civil War. On one hand, of course Charles is right. On the other hand, Magneto has a point. Neither of them are evil. But one of them is still more trustworthy to follow than the other. This is great writing. What the Russos and Feige did with the MCU has been cheap, flat and generic. This gets deep into the root of the problem and still doesn't give audiences the answer.
civil war feels like a bunch of teenagers just entered puberty tbh. the only part where you can feel the conflict of interest is when the team argued about the sokovia accord. after that it just feels like a bunch of children fighting over their petty ego
I’ve always agreed with Magneto’s take on it. Peace was never an option. There was always going to be war with humans. It was just a matter of time. Mutants under Magneto have learned to accept the ugly, the strange, the different. Humans can barely accept that mutants exist, let alone live alongside them or even look at them. If I were a mutant in their world, I’d have joined Magneto.
First Class is my favorite of the X-Men movies because 1) Michael Fassbender literally perfectly captures the emotional context of Magneto's actions 2) The dynamic between him and Professor X is exactly what I want from an X-Men film! In a way, neither of their points are wrong, they just sit on opposite ends of a spectrum
His mother was human, his assassin was mutant. If he really thinks it's okay for mutants disregard human life because mutants are the future, he would let Shaw live because he was only applying that concept, so he had no right to vengeance. What, he kills a fellow mutant because he killed an human? So humans matter when he decide they matter? So much for laws ad personam, man.
@@FrancescaAkira89 No matter she's mutant or human, she's still his mother, if somebody kills yours you would forgive him? I doubt it, even if you approve his ideology
@@MystikalScopeProductions at the end, Batman said this. After he nearly murdered an alien he feared and didnt fully understand. Kinda ironic dontcha think?
Charles and Eric r in the relationship: Eric is the hot headed, impulsive person. Charles is thoughtful, and considerate person. *TOGETHER* they make a beautiful person with both good and bad sides. 😊
I disagree. In my opinion Charles is idealist and optmistic, Eric more concrete and pessimistic (it couldn't be otherwise considering his personal story).
@@ahmadmuslih i'm sure he meant as a team. Its why TEAM X worked so brilliant with both of them. Together they're unstoppable. Magneto knew this- its why he was trying to recruit Charles for his cause at every turn just like they were recruiting other mutants. Erik needed finesse with Charles to persuade him but that didnt work.
They are both right and wrong. Erik is right about killing Shaw, how the hell were they gonna contain him anyways? He is too dangerous and OP to be kept alive. Erik is also right about the humans turning on them and all mutants. Charles is right that killing Shaw isn't gonna bring him peace and that not all humans are evil. I find it hard for the MCU to portray something like this again with X-men
This was the first movie I noticed Fassbender in. I really liked the movie, but was leaving the theater asking "Who was THAT playing Magneto??" He has a presence on screen that kills!
Charles WANTS TO BELIEVE that he is right. Erik KNOWS he is right because he had seen humanity from the worst side. I hate to say it but I side with Erik. We humans fear what we don´t know.
Amazing writing. I'm going to miss these deep philosophical moments between these characters now that they're part of the MCU. These arguments are too heavy for Disney. Of course, Feige will touch on these subjects. He'll have a few generic lines about what's right and wrong. BUT they won't be fleshed out of every character and every scene, every action as First Class and DOFP did so well.
Luke M yup, because the MCU NEVER touches on deep conce- oh wait.... - winter soldier explored the differences between freedom and fear - civil war explored the consequences of the hero’s actions - infinity war explored the inevitability of failure and when it’s necessary to make sacrifices - black panther explored isolationism and cultural division - the guardians of the galaxy films explored things like family, abandonment, abuse, loss and trauma
And X-Men Apocalypse 🤢 That was my most hated X-Men movie cause those 3 Gen Z actors that played Jean Grey, Cyclopes and Nightcrawler needs a different career path. Ruining my favorite X-Men!!!
Looking back at this amazing scene. They were both in a way right. Charles looked for the best in humanity because he was an idealist, but Erik always knew the outcome because he was a realist and went through the same with the nazi's. In the days to come Magneto was always more right.
i find it funny how magneto was a victim of fascism and then he becomes a fascist. I don't think in any right magneto is right he is a pessimist with a negative delusion.
The movie actually made Erik right. Remember that after they defeated Shaw, both the American and the Soviet turned on them and fired missiles at the beach to kill the mutants -- just like how Erik predicted. Charles thought the human will thank them for defeating Shawn.
Well, you're forgetting some principle details. The plan wasn't to wipe out the x-men. This is the 1960's - they couldn't see if the X-men had won or not. Killing everything on beach assuaged the chance of nuclear war. The reason they fired wasn't because they were trying to kill magneto and the x-men, it's because they lost contact with the group on land. Moira was attempting to radio the all-clear, but the radio was dead. Things had gone quiet on the beach, which meant the confrontation was over, but they couldn't be sure it had ended well. If Shaw was alive, and nuclear war was imminent, strategically speaking it's better to nuke everything on the beach instead of waiting to find out if Shaw had managed to create a launch scenario. Whether or not that decision was made easier by the callous nature of the commanders firing up on potentially surviving or victorious mutants remains unknown, but strategically they were simply taking the most natural course. This is a subtle misdirection in the movie, because remember this is 1960's tech. They were looking through binoculars. They don't know if Shaw was dead, who was potentially inside the submarine just fine - nor would they necessarily be inclined to trust random strangers attempting to help. Despite the fact that Shaw was dead, and maybe they knew, is it strategically sound to let unknown assets hold potential devices for nuclear warfare? Xavier also was out of contact and could've easily de-escalated the whole situation but chose not to because of his belief that non-interference was ethical - but it's debatable whether that's moral. Magneto takes advantage of this situation to interpret it as a hostile act against mutantkind, but he's not founded. He doesn't know about Moira, and he hasn't looked at the situation strategic. It befits his agenda to act in this moment, but it's not necessarily right, nor is it proven wrong, because we can't know what those strategic commanders ultimately decided on. To strategically pre-emptively strike against little known assets wielding nuclear arms, or a group of mutants who, having completed their mission, were untrustworthy and in and of themselves, weapons. Ethically, there's another problem. Had the humans chose the wrong way and were ultimately at fault, and had fired completely with prejudice, despite that Magneto's returning of fire is not moral either. He's completely in control of the situation and firing back against humans is not necessary. Especially while Xavier is sitting there completely able to mind-wipe the whole crowd. Stopping the missiles was easy for him, and as such, retaliatory strikes are entirely unnecessary. It's not self-defense if you deescalate a situation, and then choose to murder everyone. Bring it to court. There is a court of military justice and from there they might've actually accomplished something. Instead, he became a fugitive right then and there despite their innocence. Erik's not made right by the move, but it definitely portrays the complicated nature of morality mutants create.
The same as with Star Trek or Star Wars. They see a movie with some philosophy and some action. They decide that people are in it for the action, so they make the next movie with only action, and it tanks.
because the woke squad got a hold of it and ruined it as usual. I was super disappointed because jean is one of my favorite characters along with magneto and xavier.
@@hendragani1812 i love how they just had this back and forth with neither backing down from their position without becoming emotional. Brilliant acting!
As a child watching these movies i thought erick was evil and Charles was always right as i grew up i saw erick was fighting for survival of mutantkind even if that meant war and charles sounded very naive especially after dofp and logan
Even if those movies didn't happen, Erik would be right to defend their kind against them. Humans destroy each other and mutants would just be rushed to the top of the list.
More than that Stan Lee fought for racial inequality and injustices they were legitimately based off of Martin Luther King and Malcolm X the entire X-Men stories are a metaphor to the civil rights days. The mutants are simply the minorites but couple of white actors and all of a sudden people care. Hollywood amazing
What I always loved about their dynamic is that they’re both right and wrong at the same time. Charles knows that there are people who will accept and even appreciate mutant kind, but fails to realize that it’s not easy to change people’s hearts or that some people don’t want to change their opinions about mutants. Erik, on the other hand, understands that there will always be those that are vile towards mutant kind, but is under the impression that all humans are out to get them. One grew up with love, the other saw the worst of humanity. It’d be amazing to see what would’ve happened had their roles been reversed
Not enough explosions, CGI creatures and characters throwing out one-liners like "I have famously huge turds." That's what every great film needs these days.... Nothing deep and philosophical like these movies get.... That's BOORING
These two are my favorites. It's like watching a comic for me and I grew up in the 90s when this kind of stuff was fire. It was the only way to exist at the time and boy do these guys make me glad I exist. I just love this casting.
Fassbender is an ingenious actor. I think he's easily better as Magneto than Ian McKellen. And I love this movie so much. Still my favourite comic movie.
They both were awesome as magneto. magneto as sir Ian Mckellen was a villain, while michael fassbender showed more of an anti-hero personality, but yeah, fassbender really nailed the character
This is a Great scene that encapsulates that idea of: "Optimism in the end is better to have, but Pessimism is proven correct a lot more often." Charles isn't wrong to hope for the best outcome, it's never wrong to aim for whats in everyone's best interests, just gotto be able to handle the consequences if your actions don't go the way you hope they will.
Prof. Xavier and Magneto, eventhough they fought on amd off, had a HUGE, HUGE respect for each other. The best version will forever be The X-Men cartoons from the 90s
Love this relationship. Charles is a genius but we all know Eric is right here. He’s had the experience hands on what it’s like to deal with us savage humans when we find out. This relationship is awesome because even though they differ they still will be there for each other at the end of the day 🤙
After all these years, i finally agree with Magneto. A preemptive strike with united mutants was key to their.survival. Even with Logan stopping rise of Sentinels in DOFP, humanity still won by poisoning mutant food supply and pushing them to brink of extinction!
Yes but Magneto was not going to help matters by killing the President and his staff on national television. He was going to make everything worse. After that, the humans would have every reason to hate and fear mutants. That's the genius of these two movies. DOFP shows us the consequences of crossing humans. But as Charles says, it's up to them to be the better people. And with those godlike powers, they should be the better people. Taking respect by force is wrong when you have the power to EARN it.
The difference in men when they grow with violence vs. growing with comfort. Charles never really knew the price that needed to be paid to do the right thing sometimes. Erik, on the other hand, suffered tremendously when he had tried to do the right thing. The difference in deciding when to make the right choice is knowing if that price is going to pay off, despite the pain.
One has to realise that, until Charles is bold and Erik old, they have been having the SAME conversation everytime they played chess. Which, one would think, has been quite a lot.
Splinter himself told the turtles, "People fear, what they don't understand." And that's true. Charles believed in Harmony between two sides of the same coin. Yet one side will reject the other because of its differentcalities. At the end, we all know who the winner of this argument is. And it doesn't matter who tries to make Magento a 2 dimensional villain with issues, his points are valid to this day.
In most of the movies they fight on opposite sides of the war and yet they remain friends. They are like “I’m gonna stop you. I’m gonna end you. Love you though! 😘”😂😂
I mean, and you really blame Eric for wanting to kill Shaw at all cost? The guy had his parents killed, did torturous experiments on him, killed countless mutants, and was trying to start a world war. Who in their right mind let's a person that evil live?
After seeing all the x men movies, i can confidently say that magneto was right all along. Whenever charles wanted to do something good for the hopes of bringing humans and mutants together in harmony, it always goes down inevitably.
In case if anyone isn't aware of this... Professor X is based on Martin Luther King Jr. & Magneto is based on Malcolm X. At the time when this film was coming out I was in 10th Grade and discovered this fact and got a slight understanding of who Martin and Malcolm were like even though I knew of Martin way before that back in 2nd Grade. It wasn't until last year and the beginning of this year that I got to really know the aspects of both men through dozens of research and can totally understand where Stan Lee drew inspiration from for these two characters. In this scene you can totally feel the vibe of Martin through Professor X and feel the vibe of Malcolm through Magneto, both have opposite points of view but at the same time.. they come together to fight for something bigger than themselves ✊ P.S. Mutant & Proud ✊
Even in the comics, Eric is ultimately right. He even took mutant kind to Geonocia and the US government still declare war on mutants. He renounces his own fight with the humans and X-men, yet the US still send sentinals to kill any and all mutants. When Charles is badly injured, its Eric who becomes Charles carer and the X-men go after him, powers blazing and claws bared and Eric is just "Whatever, im not your enemy, im trying to care for my mutant brother who is on deaths door because of humans." And even in these films, Eric gets proved right. The mutants had no interest in war with humanity but once again, like in the comics, its the war hungry Americans who decide to attack them, at the cost of one girl as collateral damage. Sure with DOFP they had reason, with Mystique going after Trask, but look how over the top the reaction is. "A shape-Shifter killed one man? Lets commit mass genocide for 'merica." As shit as Dark Phoenix was, the first act with humanity finally accepting the team as heroes was nice. Right up to the music swelling, hearing the many reporters proudly declaring that "The president has called in the help.... of the X-Men!" For a moment i thought "Finally, a comic book accurate film of the X-men. All thats missing is the 90s theme song, and the proper story" Sadly, the rest of the film exists. And what do we so? The US government once again taking mutants regardless of their sides in the fight when Jeans going crazy, even Charles who has fought by their side and for their ideology. Eric was once again proven right.
After tomorrow their gonna turn on us but your blind to it because you believe their all like Moira, and you believe their all like Shaw, listen to me very carefully my friend killing Shaw will not bring you peace. Peace was never an option. This scene is so well scripted Love this movie❤
There's no both right here, Charles is clearly wrong, the conditions for the humans to accept mutants is the mutants saving mankind, that undeniably put mutants into an unfair position in the first place, so you can't apply the normal moral principles.
that's ironic that after all damage that nazism made to Eric and his family he just says similar ideas: "we are better than other people, we are next stage of evolution"
Amentessa yes, that is exactly the problem with his ideologies, they're obviously flawed and contradicting. from the start, his powers only stemmed from anger. his beliefs are the same--they come from resent. that's why he always gives in to charles in the end, because charles is able to think beyond these things (and not just because he's a telepath lol) his hypocrisy makes him a good 'villain', though imo. people find ways to empathize with him because he's a gray character and he's not just 'bad' or just 'good'
1:08-1:16 I somehow believe this exchange would have more meaning if A) Moira was more of a character in this film and didn't mostly just stand aside after meeting Charles. B) Charles and Erik spent the majority of the film fighting a HUMAN villain and not a mutant one. Seriously, this film is supposed to show how Erik's hatred of humans grows so much that he splits from Charles, but outside of the opening scene and the battleships firing on the beach, we see almost no examples of the persecution of mutants by HUMANS.
The fact that Erik and later Trask, cited Xavier's own work says a lot. Charles logically sees the writing on the wall and knows Erik has damned good points, but his own upbringing and morality wont let him fully agree in these films. In the comics though Xavier is way more flexible in his morality and it shows
I’d say Eric is a traumatised realist whereas Charles is an arrogant idealist. Eric has a comprehensive realistic perspective on what will happen but responds to it with radicalism or violence because it’s ingrained in him to stay ahead of being a helpless victim at any cost. Charles wants to see the best in people and his abilities allow him an unmatched level of sympathy, the flip side of reading everyone’s minds is his belief that he *knows* what is best for everyone. Both flawed but neither is incorrect.
This scene is a perfect example of two sides of the same coin. Both want to stop Shaw but one wants to unite humanity and mutants and the bother wants to make mutants supreme.
I was first introduced to X-Men when I was in Elementary School. I did not fully understand the relationship between Xavier and Magneto, nor was I aware of who they were based on, so I interpreted the series as two mutant groups, one wanting to do good (Xavier) and the other wanting to dominate the world (Magneto). Growing up, my viewpoints aligned very much with Xavier's. Nowadays though, I understand the X-Men series more. I find myself leaning more towards Magneto's viewpoints, though I do not necessarily agree with the execution of his ideas. X-Men: FIrst Class actually made me lean more towards Magneto than Xavier, something I did not think possible.
Well done .. I can understand him and I agree with professor x but I would actually follow magneto because people will and always be afraid of what they do not understand and will bring about their own distractions
I love how they always argue yet they still stay friends
They do have their limits, though. In the comics, when Magneto ripped the Adamantium out of Wolverine's skeleton, Xavier mind-wiped him.
Mortal frenemies
Connor Brennan which comic or story line?
Elon Musk and Peter Thiel basically
Wheelos just like me and you
"Peace was never an option"
This is where the meme came from omg
That was a saying long before this movie lol
but he is refering to peace of his own mind?
thought the same thing lmao
How could you not see the movies ?!
i binge them every second year lol
I watched it the other day and it’s the perfection meme as well wth
McAvoy and Fassbender really were perfect for these roles, and they had to follow up Stewart and McKellen, who were perfect for those roles in that original trilogy.
The real question is who will replace them in the MCU.
@@briansilva3344 i really hope no one
Thomas Lunardi not the way it’ll fly, but luckily they’ll have time. They aren’t making X-Men right away, so maybe in a few years, Marvel will ask them to reprise after they have done other projects.
@@briansilva3344 hell they can just connect the universes after Dr Strange movie since its going to be about the multiverse
@@Lonehawk2k4 true I mean Ryan Reynolds is coming back as deadpool in the mcu so it ain't that far fetched to get James McAvoy and Micheal Fassbender to reprise their roles they did manage to get evan peters back aswell pissed off that they ruined his character
Neither one is wrong, that's why I love these movies so much.
Actually I think that Professor is wrong.
Dark Voice prof x is morally correct but magneto is correct realistically
The question is does humanity need to fear mutants.
Well that's the whole point of it. It's like the mind and heart. Magneto is the mind that calculates and rationalises everything whereas Professor Xavier is the heart that is more sympathetic.
@@angel7661 if humanity cant even trust each other . You think you can trust all of them ...
In a way they're both right in their own way.
Humans are not like Shaw not all evil but not noble and kind like moira.
Aaron Zuniga Yeah but Magneto ultimately becomes the very thing that destroyed his life in the first place back when he was a child & a victim of The Holocaust. Magneto ends up believing that Mutantkind is totally superior & that Humankind has outlived its existence & needs to be eradicated just as The Nazis believed that they were the so-called master race & wanted to render anyone who didn't match their twisted notions extinct. Magneto tragically becomes the very same dark ruthless merciless monster that originally ruined his life & shattered his innocence.
well actually shaw was a mutant...
a contrast would be William Stryker Sr. being a bad human as an example
Aaron Zuniga Peace was NEVER an option!
Love that line- Magneto in a nutshell.
Bobby Papoutsis You wouldn't happen to know in what comic/issue this conversation between Magneto & Red Skull took place in?
One scene that encapsulates the moral debate and dilemma behind the X-Men franchise. Brilliant.
Fantastically brilliant. And over a game of chess no less!
Perfection
Magneto sees reality better but responds to it worse. X doesn't acknowledge reality but responds to it better.
damn that makes a lot of sense actually
That's well said but in the end that would mean Professor X will always be better equipped to handle the situation wouldn't it?
@@equivalentexchangeisalie5726 On a societal scale, probably, at least in the movies. But Charles' inability to fully acknowledge hard truths does hurt him in his personal relationships with his students, most notably Raven and Phoenix.
@@farid1406 Agreed!
After seeing what happened in DOFP & Logan & knowing that the govt had no issue forcing a cure on mutants back in X3, it’s hard to blame Magneto for forming a Brotherhood & trying to stop humans from eradicating the mutant race.
Wow this is a great piece of script writing right here. I got damn goosebumps when he said "Peace was never an option"
aha "*goose*bumps"
@@loganhund1078 Big Brain comment right here lol
i love the part where Xavier says, "We have it in us to be the better men." And Erik responds with an equally emphatic "We already are."
literally in just two lines of dialogue, they not only captured the essence of both men, but also the genesis of their conflict, and how they both have full conviction in what they believe is the best path for mutants
the crazy thing is neither one is wrong, they just have totally different perspectives on what it means to be "better men."
The writers of ‘X-Men: Apocalypse’ clearly forgot this all-important line of Erik’s.
Love how they managed to contrast their two different philosophies with making more right or wrong than the other
fassbender with that martini looks like james bond personified
- anne I would love to see Michael succeed Daniel Craig as the next James Bond :)
Michael actually wanted the role of James Bond, but he didn't get it because he's not British
Wasn't Lazenby the only non-British actor to play Bond, even once?
@@christophersouza3159 I think the term you meant is English. And no, Sean Connery was Scottish and Pierce Brosnan was Irish.
@@christophersouza3159 brosnan was non-british too
" I'm not gonna stop Shaw, I'm gonna kill him!" Loved it!
Magneto said it so calmy, so matter of factly it was disarming to be honest.
Darkorbit
I like to tell you magneto deserves justice
I love this film. It made seem harder which side you thought was “right”. I think in this film they subtly hint that Charles isn’t as flawless as he was in the later films. Especially when he avoided the question of would he date Raven is she were blue. It gave some credibility to what’s later said in the film that he just wants to fit in and made me think maybe there’s a more superficial reason that he wants peace in the way he is going about it. Whereas Magneto even though he may be wrong in outright killing people had an honest and genuine reason in that he just wanted to protect his own kind.
It’s kinda like Charles was pandering to a bully and always forgiving them because he wants to fit in in school Magneto straight up preemptively attacks the bully because he knows the bully will hit him first. Looking at it that way, it’s a lot less clear cut who is right than it is in the later films.
Well said dude, you convinced me with that bully argument. It is clear cut when u look at it like that.
It's never really mentioned in the movie, but in the comics Charles was repeatedly abused by his stepbrother Cain. Knowing that and with your explanation, Charles moral standing makes sense.
What a goddamn good analogy, my friend
Yep. Throughout First Class and DOFP (before he gains his confidence back), Charles acted like he was ashamed of his mutant heritage sometimes and it rubbed onto Erik and Raven and further enabled by Hank, who feels similar.
Erik is factually correct, Charles is morally correct. It’s the dilemma found in every “realist” vs “idealist/dovish” approach regarding foreign policy for instance.
The final quote from “Se7en” put it perfectly: “Hemingway once said ‘The world is a good place worth fighting for’; I agree with the last part”.
One of my favourite scenes of the WHOLE franchise. "Peace was never an option" has to be my favourite line from Erik, it embodies his character perfectly.
this movie did a better job showing contrasting views then civil war did imo....
Cam M I'd say it's because the actors in this scene are simply better than the ones in civil war.
true but part of it is a little more nuance imo in both postions which is something I think xmen requires.
Both this movie and DOFP did better with that kind of deep philosophical conundrum than Civil War. On one hand, of course Charles is right. On the other hand, Magneto has a point. Neither of them are evil. But one of them is still more trustworthy to follow than the other. This is great writing. What the Russos and Feige did with the MCU has been cheap, flat and generic. This gets deep into the root of the problem and still doesn't give audiences the answer.
Tony and Steve bad deep also yall hate
civil war feels like a bunch of teenagers just entered puberty tbh. the only part where you can feel the conflict of interest is when the team argued about the sokovia accord. after that it just feels like a bunch of children fighting over their petty ego
I’ve always agreed with Magneto’s take on it. Peace was never an option. There was always going to be war with humans. It was just a matter of time. Mutants under Magneto have learned to accept the ugly, the strange, the different. Humans can barely accept that mutants exist, let alone live alongside them or even look at them. If I were a mutant in their world, I’d have joined Magneto.
HUMANS CAN'T ACCEPT THEMSELVES.
@@IEXECUTIVE thank you
Same here! When I was little I used to hate Magneto but growing up I learned he makes a fair point. I would join him too.
Turtleneck on Michael Fassbender= deadly but sexy combo
At least it looks better on him then that horrible purple costume he's known to wear.It shows the good man he is deep down.
First Class is my favorite of the X-Men movies because 1) Michael Fassbender literally perfectly captures the emotional context of Magneto's actions 2) The dynamic between him and Professor X is exactly what I want from an X-Men film! In a way, neither of their points are wrong, they just sit on opposite ends of a spectrum
Hate to say it but Erik is right, people will always hate what they don't understand, we're just that stupid
Aaron Kenyon but despite that people aren’t inherently evil & hating all the time. Just like Bruce Wayne says in BVS...”Men are still good”
Wow you think you're so self aware yet majority of mankind knows this
His mother was human, his assassin was mutant. If he really thinks it's okay for mutants disregard human life because mutants are the future, he would let Shaw live because he was only applying that concept, so he had no right to vengeance. What, he kills a fellow mutant because he killed an human? So humans matter when he decide they matter? So much for laws ad personam, man.
@@FrancescaAkira89 No matter she's mutant or human, she's still his mother, if somebody kills yours you would forgive him? I doubt it, even if you approve his ideology
@@MystikalScopeProductions at the end, Batman said this.
After he nearly murdered an alien he feared and didnt fully understand. Kinda ironic dontcha think?
"peace was never an option "
*Quack*
*knife beak skills intensify*
Charles and Eric r in the relationship:
Eric is the hot headed, impulsive person.
Charles is thoughtful, and considerate person.
*TOGETHER* they make a beautiful person with both good and bad sides. 😊
What do you mean 'they make'
I disagree. In my opinion Charles is idealist and optmistic, Eric more concrete and pessimistic (it couldn't be otherwise considering his personal story).
@@ahmadmuslih i'm sure he meant as a team. Its why TEAM X worked so brilliant with both of them. Together they're unstoppable. Magneto knew this- its why he was trying to recruit Charles for his cause at every turn just like they were recruiting other mutants. Erik needed finesse with Charles to persuade him but that didnt work.
They are both right and wrong. Erik is right about killing Shaw, how the hell were they gonna contain him anyways? He is too dangerous and OP to be kept alive. Erik is also right about the humans turning on them and all mutants.
Charles is right that killing Shaw isn't gonna bring him peace and that not all humans are evil.
I find it hard for the MCU to portray something like this again with X-men
This was the first movie I noticed Fassbender in. I really liked the movie, but was leaving the theater asking "Who was THAT playing Magneto??" He has a presence on screen that kills!
Charles know he was good.Magneto know he was right.
nice analysis.
Charles WANTS TO BELIEVE that he is right. Erik KNOWS he is right because he had seen humanity from the worst side. I hate to say it but I side with Erik. We humans fear what we don´t know.
I admire the morality and empathy of Professor X but respect the realism and caution of Magneto. Such a great dynamic here.
they make these characters so human. both actors did such an amazing job
Amazing writing. I'm going to miss these deep philosophical moments between these characters now that they're part of the MCU. These arguments are too heavy for Disney. Of course, Feige will touch on these subjects. He'll have a few generic lines about what's right and wrong. BUT they won't be fleshed out of every character and every scene, every action as First Class and DOFP did so well.
Luke M Clearly you didn’t see Civil War or Infinity War
Luke M yup, because the MCU NEVER touches on deep conce- oh wait....
- winter soldier explored the differences between freedom and fear
- civil war explored the consequences of the hero’s actions
- infinity war explored the inevitability of failure and when it’s necessary to make sacrifices
- black panther explored isolationism and cultural division
- the guardians of the galaxy films explored things like family, abandonment, abuse, loss and trauma
Wow. A litany of MCU films outright prove you wrong. And now WandaVision makes a complete mockery of your assessment.
You see? It's the attitude of you fanboys that makes me hate the MCU like I do
That makes me very sad because the X-men HAVE to be this level of deep. But with Disney behind it now 😔
We went from this to Dark Phoenix...
And X-Men Apocalypse 🤢 That was my most hated X-Men movie cause those 3 Gen Z actors that played Jean Grey, Cyclopes and Nightcrawler needs a different career path. Ruining my favorite X-Men!!!
Why did it existed
@@residentevilseries6704 Ask Simon Kinberg. He directed it 😈☕
Fassbender and McAvoy really work well on screen together.
Looking back at this amazing scene. They were both in a way right. Charles looked for the best in humanity because he was an idealist, but Erik always knew the outcome because he was a realist and went through the same with the nazi's. In the days to come Magneto was always more right.
Thank you somebody gets it
Some also Charles's statement had value not all humans like Moria hated mutants. But yes mankind always feared what they don't understand.
i find it funny how magneto was a victim of fascism and then he becomes a fascist. I don't think in any right magneto is right he is a pessimist with a negative delusion.
Pains me to say that eric is right here
The movie actually made Erik right. Remember that after they defeated Shaw, both the American and the Soviet turned on them and fired missiles at the beach to kill the mutants -- just like how Erik predicted. Charles thought the human will thank them for defeating Shawn.
Well, you're forgetting some principle details. The plan wasn't to wipe out the x-men. This is the 1960's - they couldn't see if the X-men had won or not. Killing everything on beach assuaged the chance of nuclear war.
The reason they fired wasn't because they were trying to kill magneto and the x-men, it's because they lost contact with the group on land. Moira was attempting to radio the all-clear, but the radio was dead. Things had gone quiet on the beach, which meant the confrontation was over, but they couldn't be sure it had ended well.
If Shaw was alive, and nuclear war was imminent, strategically speaking it's better to nuke everything on the beach instead of waiting to find out if Shaw had managed to create a launch scenario.
Whether or not that decision was made easier by the callous nature of the commanders firing up on potentially surviving or victorious mutants remains unknown, but strategically they were simply taking the most natural course.
This is a subtle misdirection in the movie, because remember this is 1960's tech. They were looking through binoculars. They don't know if Shaw was dead, who was potentially inside the submarine just fine - nor would they necessarily be inclined to trust random strangers attempting to help. Despite the fact that Shaw was dead, and maybe they knew, is it strategically sound to let unknown assets hold potential devices for nuclear warfare?
Xavier also was out of contact and could've easily de-escalated the whole situation but chose not to because of his belief that non-interference was ethical - but it's debatable whether that's moral.
Magneto takes advantage of this situation to interpret it as a hostile act against mutantkind, but he's not founded. He doesn't know about Moira, and he hasn't looked at the situation strategic. It befits his agenda to act in this moment, but it's not necessarily right, nor is it proven wrong, because we can't know what those strategic commanders ultimately decided on. To strategically pre-emptively strike against little known assets wielding nuclear arms, or a group of mutants who, having completed their mission, were untrustworthy and in and of themselves, weapons.
Ethically, there's another problem. Had the humans chose the wrong way and were ultimately at fault, and had fired completely with prejudice, despite that Magneto's returning of fire is not moral either. He's completely in control of the situation and firing back against humans is not necessary. Especially while Xavier is sitting there completely able to mind-wipe the whole crowd. Stopping the missiles was easy for him, and as such, retaliatory strikes are entirely unnecessary. It's not self-defense if you deescalate a situation, and then choose to murder everyone.
Bring it to court. There is a court of military justice and from there they might've actually accomplished something. Instead, he became a fugitive right then and there despite their innocence.
Erik's not made right by the move, but it definitely portrays the complicated nature of morality mutants create.
Together they are the most dangerous.
How did they went from this masterwork to dark phoenix? I have so many questions
they got the same writer from The Last Stand and he made the same film again
The same as with Star Trek or Star Wars. They see a movie with some philosophy and some action. They decide that people are in it for the action, so they make the next movie with only action, and it tanks.
Bryan Singer didn't come back. And no idea why they went with the Dark Phoenix storyline again. They should have done Sinister
Vaughn is a far better writer & director than Kinberg & Fox mailed in Dark Phoenix along with some of the actors like JLaw.
because the woke squad got a hold of it and ruined it as usual. I was super disappointed because jean is one of my favorite characters along with magneto and xavier.
This is how you make a contrast and make it believeble disney. İf they recast these two i woud never watch any X Men movie ever.
Benching 500 ibs for 3 reps Agreed. Two opposite view yet both are valid and believable. Unlike the civil war argument which lacked of depth
Benching 500 ibs for 3 reps why?
@@hendragani1812 i love how they just had this back and forth with neither backing down from their position without becoming emotional. Brilliant acting!
Unfortunately, that's where we're at unfortunately.... The Mouse has spoken.
I FUCKING LOVE X MEN
Me too😊
As a child watching these movies i thought erick was evil and Charles was always right as i grew up i saw erick was fighting for survival of mutantkind even if that meant war and charles sounded very naive especially after dofp and logan
Even if those movies didn't happen, Erik would be right to defend their kind against them. Humans destroy each other and mutants would just be rushed to the top of the list.
Humans especially World leaders would see mutants as a threat to their World order and immediately would want to repress their effects.
Professor Charles Xavier is like Martin Luther King Jr and Magneto is like Malcolm X
More than that Stan Lee fought for racial inequality and injustices they were legitimately based off of Martin Luther King and Malcolm X the entire X-Men stories are a metaphor to the civil rights days. The mutants are simply the minorites but couple of white actors and all of a sudden people care. Hollywood amazing
Real friends that don't give up on each other
feel like dr.king and malcolm x
Chakkrit Wannarat Rumor has it that Stan Lee did actually base Professor Xavier after Dr MLK Jr & Magneto after MX ;)
thats what they were modeled after
X men comics were made during the civil rights era so yeah
What I always loved about their dynamic is that they’re both right and wrong at the same time. Charles knows that there are people who will accept and even appreciate mutant kind, but fails to realize that it’s not easy to change people’s hearts or that some people don’t want to change their opinions about mutants.
Erik, on the other hand, understands that there will always be those that are vile towards mutant kind, but is under the impression that all humans are out to get them.
One grew up with love, the other saw the worst of humanity. It’d be amazing to see what would’ve happened had their roles been reversed
Canta believe it has no likes!. The tension in this scene is the core of the whole narrative that came afterwards.
Not enough explosions, CGI creatures and characters throwing out one-liners like "I have famously huge turds." That's what every great film needs these days.... Nothing deep and philosophical like these movies get.... That's BOORING
These two are my favorites. It's like watching a comic for me and I grew up in the 90s when this kind of stuff was fire. It was the only way to exist at the time and boy do these guys make me glad I exist. I just love this casting.
Hey anyone here watching this video again and again ???
I love this movie so much
Fassbender is an ingenious actor. I think he's easily better as Magneto than Ian McKellen. And I love this movie so much. Still my favourite comic movie.
They both were awesome as magneto. magneto as sir Ian Mckellen was a villain, while michael fassbender showed more of an anti-hero personality, but yeah, fassbender really nailed the character
They will never agree and yet they can never truly hate each other for it. What a fascinating relationship.
Xavier is a whiskey drinker, while Lehnsherr goes for a Martini.
the only thing that sucks about Disney acquiring the x men is that we’ll lose these two.
Action movies get more and more over the top but these are the scenes that stick with you.
*these two characters are the best !*
"peace was never an option" goose noises intensifies
You gotta admit, Magneto really predicted more accurately what would happen to mutant kind
This is a Great scene that encapsulates that idea of:
"Optimism in the end is better to have,
but Pessimism is proven correct a lot more often."
Charles isn't wrong to hope for the best outcome,
it's never wrong to aim for whats in everyone's best interests, just gotto be able to handle the consequences if your actions don't go the way you hope they will.
This is the best scene in the movie.
Prof. Xavier and Magneto, eventhough they fought on amd off, had a HUGE, HUGE respect for each other. The best version will forever be The X-Men cartoons from the 90s
I've fully memorized this scene because it's just that well acted
Love this relationship. Charles is a genius but we all know Eric is right here. He’s had the experience hands on what it’s like to deal with us savage humans when we find out. This relationship is awesome because even though they differ they still will be there for each other at the end of the day 🤙
They are,SUCH good actors
The real mystery of the series: who won the chess game?
After all these years, i finally agree with Magneto. A preemptive strike with united mutants was key to their.survival. Even with Logan stopping rise of Sentinels in DOFP, humanity still won by poisoning mutant food supply and pushing them to brink of extinction!
Yes but Magneto was not going to help matters by killing the President and his staff on national television. He was going to make everything worse. After that, the humans would have every reason to hate and fear mutants. That's the genius of these two movies. DOFP shows us the consequences of crossing humans. But as Charles says, it's up to them to be the better people. And with those godlike powers, they should be the better people. Taking respect by force is wrong when you have the power to EARN it.
Logan was an alternate timeline
This scene was the pinnacle of all the x men movies from 2000 - 2019 hopefully Marvel/Disney can do a better job than FOX
The difference in men when they grow with violence vs. growing with comfort. Charles never really knew the price that needed to be paid to do the right thing sometimes. Erik, on the other hand, suffered tremendously when he had tried to do the right thing. The difference in deciding when to make the right choice is knowing if that price is going to pay off, despite the pain.
Erik : peace was never an option
goose : that's my fucking line !
*”peace was never an option”*
One has to realise that, until Charles is bold and Erik old, they have been having the SAME conversation everytime they played chess. Which, one would think, has been quite a lot.
Man I love this scene
Splinter himself told the turtles, "People fear, what they don't understand."
And that's true.
Charles believed in Harmony between two sides of the same coin.
Yet one side will reject the other because of its differentcalities.
At the end, we all know who the winner of this argument is.
And it doesn't matter who tries to make Magento a 2 dimensional villain with issues, his points are valid to this day.
In most of the movies they fight on opposite sides of the war and yet they remain friends. They are like “I’m gonna stop you. I’m gonna end you. Love you though! 😘”😂😂
50 years later and they still love playing chess
I mean, and you really blame Eric for wanting to kill Shaw at all cost? The guy had his parents killed, did torturous experiments on him, killed countless mutants, and was trying to start a world war. Who in their right mind let's a person that evil live?
Watching this scene reminds me of Captain America vs the Red Skull. Being the better man isn't always about being the more powerful man
Both know that hope is not guaranteed.
One wants to strive for it, against all odds.
The other gave up trying long ago.
After seeing all the x men movies, i can confidently say that magneto was right all along. Whenever charles wanted to do something good for the hopes of bringing humans and mutants together in harmony, it always goes down inevitably.
Opening To X-Men: First Class 2011 DVD
This the best xmen movie in the whole franchise
After the scene ended, they got up and said good night see you tomorrow ☺️
In case if anyone isn't aware of this...
Professor X is based on
Martin Luther King Jr. &
Magneto is based on Malcolm X. At the time when this film was coming out I was in 10th Grade and discovered this fact and got a slight understanding of who Martin and Malcolm were like even though I knew of Martin way before that back in
2nd Grade. It wasn't until last year and the beginning of this year that I got to really know the aspects of both men through dozens of research and can totally understand where Stan Lee drew inspiration from for these two characters. In this scene you can totally feel the vibe of Martin through Professor X and feel the vibe of Malcolm through Magneto,
both have opposite points of view but at the same time.. they come together to fight for something bigger than themselves ✊
P.S. Mutant & Proud ✊
If I was a mutant I would be part of The Brotherhood, hands down
Back when they could make a good xmen movie without wolverine.
Even in the comics, Eric is ultimately right. He even took mutant kind to Geonocia and the US government still declare war on mutants. He renounces his own fight with the humans and X-men, yet the US still send sentinals to kill any and all mutants. When Charles is badly injured, its Eric who becomes Charles carer and the X-men go after him, powers blazing and claws bared and Eric is just "Whatever, im not your enemy, im trying to care for my mutant brother who is on deaths door because of humans."
And even in these films, Eric gets proved right. The mutants had no interest in war with humanity but once again, like in the comics, its the war hungry Americans who decide to attack them, at the cost of one girl as collateral damage. Sure with DOFP they had reason, with Mystique going after Trask, but look how over the top the reaction is. "A shape-Shifter killed one man? Lets commit mass genocide for 'merica." As shit as Dark Phoenix was, the first act with humanity finally accepting the team as heroes was nice. Right up to the music swelling, hearing the many reporters proudly declaring that "The president has called in the help.... of the X-Men!" For a moment i thought "Finally, a comic book accurate film of the X-men. All thats missing is the 90s theme song, and the proper story" Sadly, the rest of the film exists. And what do we so? The US government once again taking mutants regardless of their sides in the fight when Jeans going crazy, even Charles who has fought by their side and for their ideology. Eric was once again proven right.
After tomorrow their gonna turn on us but your blind to it because you believe their all like Moira, and you believe their all like Shaw, listen to me very carefully my friend killing Shaw will not bring you peace. Peace was never an option. This scene is so well scripted Love this movie❤
Shaw isn't a mutant, he made experiments on himself and got the powers. That make him more disgusting.
I don't think that true, throughout the whole movie it's never implied and Shaw seems to hate humans just as much as Magneto
McAvoy and Fassbender would be great as Reed Richards and Doctor Doom in the MCU.
Charles is right, not all humans are evil. But unfortunately the world governments are so Erik cannot be swayed.
Oh so that's were the "peace was never an option" meme is from.😂
they literally look like a married couple
1:17 "lmao tru"
There's no both right here, Charles is clearly wrong, the conditions for the humans to accept mutants is the mutants saving mankind, that undeniably put mutants into an unfair position in the first place, so you can't apply the normal moral principles.
I think he meant in this situation specifically, that the world would see that they weren't all a danger to the world (like Shaw) if they stopped him.
To me, Xavier seems to be that one naive idealist of the group that gets everyone killed or worse.
that's ironic that after all damage that nazism made to Eric and his family he just says similar ideas: "we are better than other people, we are next stage of evolution"
Amentessa yes, that is exactly the problem with his ideologies, they're obviously flawed and contradicting. from the start, his powers only stemmed from anger. his beliefs are the same--they come from resent. that's why he always gives in to charles in the end, because charles is able to think beyond these things (and not just because he's a telepath lol)
his hypocrisy makes him a good 'villain', though imo. people find ways to empathize with him because he's a gray character and he's not just 'bad' or just 'good'
@@ayden_james Honestly I think Magneto is one of the best villains ever created
This movie is so so good
1:08-1:16 I somehow believe this exchange would have more meaning if
A) Moira was more of a character in this film and didn't mostly just stand aside after meeting Charles.
B) Charles and Erik spent the majority of the film fighting a HUMAN villain and not a mutant one.
Seriously, this film is supposed to show how Erik's hatred of humans grows so much that he splits from Charles, but outside of the opening scene and the battleships firing on the beach, we see almost no examples of the persecution of mutants by HUMANS.
The sad part is that, Charles' beliefs are good, vice versa for Erik. But in the end, Erik was right and Charles was dead wrong
The fact that Erik and later Trask, cited Xavier's own work says a lot. Charles logically sees the writing on the wall and knows Erik has damned good points, but his own upbringing and morality wont let him fully agree in these films. In the comics though Xavier is way more flexible in his morality and it shows
I’d say Eric is a traumatised realist whereas Charles is an arrogant idealist. Eric has a comprehensive realistic perspective on what will happen but responds to it with radicalism or violence because it’s ingrained in him to stay ahead of being a helpless victim at any cost. Charles wants to see the best in people and his abilities allow him an unmatched level of sympathy, the flip side of reading everyone’s minds is his belief that he *knows* what is best for everyone. Both flawed but neither is incorrect.
their bromance was so strong even in comics erik do have a lot of differences with charles but both joined each other in tough times
*xavier and magneto are best frienemies*
This scene is a perfect example of two sides of the same coin. Both want to stop Shaw but one wants to unite humanity and mutants and the bother wants to make mutants supreme.
I was first introduced to X-Men when I was in Elementary School. I did not fully understand the relationship between Xavier and Magneto, nor was I aware of who they were based on, so I interpreted the series as two mutant groups, one wanting to do good (Xavier) and the other wanting to dominate the world (Magneto). Growing up, my viewpoints aligned very much with Xavier's. Nowadays though, I understand the X-Men series more. I find myself leaning more towards Magneto's viewpoints, though I do not necessarily agree with the execution of his ideas. X-Men: FIrst Class actually made me lean more towards Magneto than Xavier, something I did not think possible.
Well done .. I can understand him and I agree with professor x but I would actually follow magneto because people will and always be afraid of what they do not understand and will bring about their own distractions
Magneto hating another mutant so much he wants to kill then. Wow.
X-Men:Chess (2099)
Reminds me of the argument between Sasuke and Naruto.