A funny story from the venue - I was the guy communicating with the organist, and during game 4 of the first set of grands, I realized I had to go up and explain to the organist how a double elimination grand finals works so he wouldn't accidentally play the victory music for Zain in between their two sets. He said it was one of the most interesting gigs he's ever gotten to do, and he got really in to watching top 8!
@@melikmourali2072 if he hit the reverse fair (which he does consistently!), then yeah definitely game over. If he misses the reverse hitbox, zain probably (but not definitely) lives
He's a super cool guy. Met him at Big House in October, he just walked up to me and started talking to me randomly. Took me by surprise lmao but yeah he's super down to earth and just seems genuinely respectful. Def earned me as a fan haha
In melee, whenever you’re hit with a move that deals knockback, your character faces the direction you were hit from. In this case, shiek’s crouch extends far enough to where Marth’s up-b actually hits the back part of her hurtbox. That makes shiek face left/towards stage. The knockback of the move + asdi down allows shiek to slide off stage. Facing the stage + slide off means shiek is then able to grab ledge fast as a marth-killer-esque technique
These people are lying, pros in melee play with a special version of melee with modified input possibilities. This was implemented for instance in 2007 when they added DI and in 2015 when they added asdi down. This explains why when you try to wavedash out of shield it takes you 40 frames but when mango does it he 0-to-deathes Plup with no frames to spare. Don't try to copy Jmook at home, or try to get a recent version of melee. I've heard you have to enter special codes with your controller on the home menu to get all the cool stuff to unlock, so that people like you and me can never progress even if we accidentally came accross a good version of melee . This is all speculation btw, nobody can tell you for sure except the people who make a living off of melee. It's the sad way the melee economy works, you just need fodders like us to go 2-2 at the locals. Think of it as a pyramid.
im not good at melee, so im curious, what would've happened if at 15:36 zain had daired? could jmook just have wall teched it and reversed or what? it seems like he coulda gotten the spike but hes at 0% so idk
Zains up b hit Sheik on her left side turning her around and enabling her to grab ledge. So Jmook was holding down with the control stick and maybe right with the c stick to get the slide off.
I hope these two are representing the game for a long time, 2 sick players that don't complain and look as good out of game as they do in game if you know what I'm sayin
I took a 3 months break from watching melee to focus on my business and I come back to this set, and WHAT A GAME. Legit feels like the guys are living on a different planet of reactions, it's like watching Dragon Ball on a final Ep; just insane.
It's deffinitly for sure the one matchup Marth loses 60-40. It really is the way marth combos other characters sheik combos him. And he just combos her less so Marth has to play very safe so they can get that grab
I miss the days where they would fill in the rest of the video with a black screen and a random timeframe. Also, let’s get more people saying things like, “Zain could’ve won, but ultimately Jmook just made it happen through consistency.”
@@hellsk100 he has the vaccine, right? He wears masks, so showing up wasn't the issue. Playing melee at a high level sick is the problem. I get the reasoning to rest.
Gimping is getting an early stock so percent matters. 200% is just an edgeguard or a kill confirm. Gimping is below 50% in my opinion and usually with a move that spikes or semi-spikes really
i feel like zains marth just looks unreal. its hella stylish. cody's fox isnt as fun to watch since its just a highly optimized efficient playstyle (imo). but i absolutely love watching zain play and im a fox main lmfao@@zachsteiner
Jmook is so incredibly sick. Sheik is almost certainly a C/D tier character in reality (hard losing matchups against Fox, Falco, Marth, Yoshi, ICs, Samus, etc.) so pushing her as hard as he has is extremely impressive.
Congrats to Mang0 for winning full bloom 2024! Did not expect him to show up out of nowhere and dominate the tournament
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A funny story from the venue - I was the guy communicating with the organist, and during game 4 of the first set of grands, I realized I had to go up and explain to the organist how a double elimination grand finals works so he wouldn't accidentally play the victory music for Zain in between their two sets. He said it was one of the most interesting gigs he's ever gotten to do, and he got really in to watching top 8!
Genuinely a really cool story thank you for sharing
29:54 we'd be living in a different world if that fair didn't phantom
Was it really game ending ? If not, the phantom helped here
@@melikmourali2072 if he hit the reverse fair (which he does consistently!), then yeah definitely game over. If he misses the reverse hitbox, zain probably (but not definitely) lives
@@melikmourali2072 They still had another game left afterward even if it did hit
@@sauce8277 true
Phantom probably helped jmook tbh
24:58 Zain hits jmook with the disrespectful movement...
25:08 ...and jmook hits him back with some disrespectful movement of his own
The first part of the sequence reminded me so much of PPMD vs Mew2King at MLG Anaheim lol
YES this is what melee’s all about
Sick sequence! Crowd was going crazy.
that shit was sooooooo sick
Zain vs Jmook is my favorite matchup in melee right now. That was an amazing set!
This entire set was some really good Melee. Amazing how people are playing at this level in 2024.
29:19 That last stock was some insane melee from both players! They both REALLY wanted to close it out and were pulling out all the tricks!
WOW! turns out that stock basically decided the match!
Jmook is such a class act. He claps after the game. Love to see it. Respect for that level of sportsmanship.
36:50
@@lssjdonald Ok this response was absolutely perfect hahaha
He's a super cool guy. Met him at Big House in October, he just walked up to me and started talking to me randomly. Took me by surprise lmao but yeah he's super down to earth and just seems genuinely respectful. Def earned me as a fan haha
This was some peak Melee for sure, one of the most entertaining Grand Finals I've had the pleasure of watching in recent memory 👌🏼
Holy hell what a great set
Bro needs a W so bad
He’s getting less Zen every tournament
If Jmook doesn't get a W by the end of the year, his posture will start looking like Gollum.
My man needs to keep his energy inside & focus it into the match
Like what Zain did
@@tylercaseamaybe he'll stop having such a hairy ass at least
as soon as i saw zain drinking water and jmook drinking red bull, i knew it was over
Can’t believe they both won, disc should be checked imo
In what world does that jab hit at 14:29?
MVP was that phantom on Zain... HOLY...
9:13 BROOOOOO
i love both of these players
How did Jmook grab the ledge at 11:43 ?? What input was that?
asdi down
In melee, whenever you’re hit with a move that deals knockback, your character faces the direction you were hit from. In this case, shiek’s crouch extends far enough to where Marth’s up-b actually hits the back part of her hurtbox. That makes shiek face left/towards stage. The knockback of the move + asdi down allows shiek to slide off stage. Facing the stage
+ slide off means shiek is then able to grab ledge fast as a marth-killer-esque technique
Ye
These people are lying, pros in melee play with a special version of melee with modified input possibilities. This was implemented for instance in 2007 when they added DI and in 2015 when they added asdi down. This explains why when you try to wavedash out of shield it takes you 40 frames but when mango does it he 0-to-deathes Plup with no frames to spare. Don't try to copy Jmook at home, or try to get a recent version of melee. I've heard you have to enter special codes with your controller on the home menu to get all the cool stuff to unlock, so that people like you and me can never progress even if we accidentally came accross a good version of melee . This is all speculation btw, nobody can tell you for sure except the people who make a living off of melee. It's the sad way the melee economy works, you just need fodders like us to go 2-2 at the locals. Think of it as a pyramid.
@@ramdamdam1402down on control stick right on c stick
This was beautiful, melee is wonderful, Zain is amazing, Jmook is magical. Incredible top 8 all around and a perfect set to finish it off
Omg that jump was spaced so well 25:50
im not good at melee, so im curious, what would've happened if at 15:36 zain had daired? could jmook just have wall teched it and reversed or what? it seems like he coulda gotten the spike but hes at 0% so idk
How did Jmook get to the ledge at 11:43? I feel like I've done it before idk the actual input
Zains up b hit Sheik on her left side turning her around and enabling her to grab ledge. So Jmook was holding down with the control stick and maybe right with the c stick to get the slide off.
I wish to one day make it to the big stage
25:00 Zain does it to him and then, Jmook does it right back
This was some good fucking Melee.
I watched 9:10 three times in a row. Was that up b to down air true???
yes its a true combo, marths do it quite often actually hahaha
11:45 how do you do that??
Not a sheik main but I think the kooky walljump game 4 Jmook attempted probably would have taken the game with a nair instead of fair
Yo that comeback on game 8 was insaneeeeeee
THATS WHY HES THE GOAT!!! THE GOAT!!!
I was actually going to watch the whole set but the top comment spoiled the winner. Hurting your viewership
Stop being a little B
Don't look at comments till after
How hard is it to not read the comment and just full screen the video right away? Lmao
adhd ass comment
Why you reading comments LOL
There's something metaphorical about 28:57
I've never heard of this tournament. Could someone fill me in? Is it a regional? A major, even?
so is this gonna become a major like riptide or...?
already a major in ur heart
Zain pushed Jmook to his absolute limit but I'm glad Jmook was able to clutch it out in the end!
Lol
true
banger set
I hope these two are representing the game for a long time, 2 sick players that don't complain and look as good out of game as they do in game if you know what I'm sayin
Zains recovery at 1:20 was actually insane, whether a quick reaction or guessing Jmook is going to do that, but thats killing 99% of Marths.
Phantom hits, ladies and gentlemen
28:23 This would be the highlight of my life and it is just an afterthought. These players are so messed up, man...
9:10 *edgeguard* 🫣
I love Melee
peak melee, flubs and all
I took a 3 months break from watching melee to focus on my business and I come back to this set, and WHAT A GAME. Legit feels like the guys are living on a different planet of reactions, it's like watching Dragon Ball on a final Ep; just insane.
jmook played beautifully
360p gang
shoutout to charlie for making the run possible
How did he kick his ass during their first set but fumble it the second?
Cause he didn't kick his ass, it was a 5 game set where zain couldve taken either of the first two games he lost
Who made top 8?
mang0, ossify, jmook, zain, aklo, sirmeris, grab, lucky.
Crazy how zain does it. Shiek just seems such an impossible match up
It's deffinitly for sure the one matchup Marth loses 60-40. It really is the way marth combos other characters sheik combos him. And he just combos her less so Marth has to play very safe so they can get that grab
Yay zain!
I wish we could get a smash melee style with all ultimate characters
I miss the days where they would fill in the rest of the video with a black screen and a random timeframe.
Also, let’s get more people saying things like, “Zain could’ve won, but ultimately Jmook just made it happen through consistency.”
J mook just wasn’t landing those fairs man. Zain played fine.
6:23 and 29:57 JMook missed a single reverse fair in each set and it fucked him both times. 😢
Amazing Melee, but god damn do I want JMook to win.
that one game on yoshis....
There is no reason to take anyone to FOD. They just like the music
Hype!
This guy sounds like chillindude with 20% more testosterone
Actually thought it was him for 20 minutes lol
i love this comment
NO WAY MARIO?! IN A... KART?!
zain pog
muy duro zain
im mookin, im jookin
zain had to work double it feels.
Jmook will get em next time, good stuff to Zain. Too bad Cody had to DQ cuz of Covid
Its literally just a cold. He coulda showed
@@hellsk100 he has the vaccine, right? He wears masks, so showing up wasn't the issue. Playing melee at a high level sick is the problem. I get the reasoning to rest.
He did it. 😎
Lol didn't Zain said he would retire? well u know once a Melee players, always a Melee player.
Jmook light shield roll into the corner is an auto edge guard against Marth.
it's called the Marth Killer
These announcers were so bias towards jmook lol.. zain is him
Massive choke by Jmook. That game 3 of the 2nd set, capitulated badly.
FAKE ON THE NEVER SWITCHING TO M2. ZAIN MAINS ROY. His secondary is marth
Mids with that sword
jmook is not playing well lately
Commentators saying Sheik is hard to gimp --> Jmook dying at 50-60% many times...
Marth is the character who almost never dies early.
What does percentage have to do with getting gimped?
If I get shined off-stage with Falcon at 0% or 200% I am still getting gimped?
Gimping is getting an early stock so percent matters. 200% is just an edgeguard or a kill confirm. Gimping is below 50% in my opinion and usually with a move that spikes or semi-spikes really
The commentators remind me of myself and I don't like that
Man this is the slowest Melee I've ever seen. Fascinating stuff.
Jmook with the fumble :(
feels bad man. Can't wait for another year of just zain and cody :(
Yeahhhh. I got nothing against Zain but God it’s boring having those two dominate.
That's a good attitude. Both players are actually sick, it's crazy how they keep winning over the cracked top 20.
i feel like zains marth just looks unreal. its hella stylish.
cody's fox isnt as fun to watch since its just a highly optimized efficient playstyle (imo). but i absolutely love watching zain play and im a fox main lmfao@@zachsteiner
its crazy you can watch any other marth player, and none of em are as stylish and sick as zain's really.
@@DavidSchleigh it’s true but I’m still getting bored
Jmook’s neutral gameplan is boring/annoying as hell.
(nothing wrong on a competitive matter tho: it kinda works)
first 🎉
thanks for the pronouns fellas, but i can use my eyes
Jmook is so incredibly sick. Sheik is almost certainly a C/D tier character in reality (hard losing matchups against Fox, Falco, Marth, Yoshi, ICs, Samus, etc.) so pushing her as hard as he has is extremely impressive.
Clueless comment
@@Stoonk You don't know what you're talking about.
@@jableshoward6572 “sheik is D tier” nobody is gonna fake you seriously
@@Stoonk You don't know what you're talking about.
@@jableshoward6572 in what universe does sheik lose to marth and samus lmao
The commentator with the nonchalant voice is annoying asf
Like this to take top comment and block spoilers
Beta-nerd brawl. I mean...Melee.
Pronouns lol
it is how it is
@@ayrtonpavot3096 it's not a big deal, it's just funny
It’s funny if you’re 12 😅
@@diegomo1413 nah I don't like pigs
@@diegomo1413 I'm not police
Zain is boring af😅
U mad?
@@michalkopij7356 no, he's just boring af
Hax$ waiting room
Melee is so dead
least autistic fgc member
It has been dead since Covid came and showed how spineless this community is. But Zain still looking fresh.
Melee is sick