Three Heads Has The Dragon SOLVED (maybe) (Also Summerhall)
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- Опубліковано 25 лис 2024
- The latest in the Fae of Ice and Fire theory series, just in time for season two of House of the Dragon. Daenerys is told that the dragon has three heads. Rhaegar believed it. Aegon "Egg" V may have sacrificed his family for it. Rhaenyra may be living it. And Daemon sings about it. The Targaryen sigil itself is a three-headed dragon. And yet it remains a mystery. So where did this idea come from? Is it prophecy? Or a warning? Perhaps we can discover the truth together.
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Preston's Dragon X Gene Series:
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• Dragon Babies: The Cos...
In Deep Geek's video:
• Daemon's song to Vermi...
Shoutout to Ben for helping me workshop this theory. Also to @InterestingNerdClub helping me talk through this theory for 2 hours:
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Seeing the photo of Aérea and Balerion reminded me of the theory that Balerion thought Aérea was Daenys and took her home 🥲
Wait a minute wait a minute. So are you asserting not only that Rhaegal, Viserion, and Drogon hatched because of the death of Rhaego, but also that Morning hatched because of the death of Visenya?! Because that's awesome.
Yes 😅
Yes...and SAY Morning. Mourning.
Morning is gona be different...like how Silverwing was different. At least ONE dragon will end up under the Sea.
@@aprilmae274 under the sea the birds have scales for feathers and the mermaids have nennymoans in their hair. I know I know.
@@MeeraReadsyou know I said to keep up the good work on Facebook but this was a really impressive video. For real I really liked it. Do you think Aerys went crazy because of what happened at summerhall
Ohhhh so that’s why Rhaegar felt so bad about what happened at Summerhall 😮 he discovered exactly what u just explained about Aegon V & probably felt like his sacrifice would’ve been a lesser loss to his family. Wow, now it all makes sense about him visiting Summerhall frequently & always returning to KingsLanding with a new, sad song.
It also makes the Tower of Joy VERY dark if you consider he still wanted to hatch dragons.
@evinoge5834 ooff Tower of Joy ☠️ yeah I need to do a part 2
This is going in the ASOIAF Theory Videos Hall of Fame!
That means a lot, thank you 🙏🏻
@@MeeraReads This was a really good video. Like the best theories, it is interesting regardless of how much you agree with it!
I think the dragon horn plays a role in binding the spirit
Woah! Meera uploaded a video! Im pumped. Lets go.
Meera, I enjoy your content, so I will share a theory of my own. During dannys dream of becoming a dragon, she feels something ripping into her back before sprouting wings and flying. I believe those are glass daggers that contain the souls of other animals. One of them was a fire worm, and one was a griffin. The cotf are known for working with glass and capturing flames from deep within the earth in glass daggers(just like the ones buried at the fist). The flames deep within the earth contain the souls of the old ones. Therefore, glass daggers are capable of housing souls. Also, the visions and dreams danny has are almost always past events that have literally happened but also foreshadow future events. So that means Danny will most likely become a dragon herself in order to stop the long night. I speculate that Jon(Aemon) and Aegon(Young Griff) are going to be the ones inserting glass daggers into Dannys back after some kind of blood/fire ritual and sacrifice.
P.S. The story of lightbringer being forged is the story of the first dragon being made. A lightbringer is a dragon. Nissa Nissa is the original mother of dragons, and Danny is the new one. Its also the story of the others(the water) being made but thats enough for now...
These are some great points! I hope we learn more especially about Summerhall, maybe with the upcoming HBO show
I love this theory! I felt like the 3rd head was always the spirit or consciousness of the dragon. Drogo, Rhaego, Mazduur. 3 dragons
21:50 It's so good hearing others think like I think😂. Thankfully we'll get an answer to that
Good to have you back! I think you’re spot on about this one. But maybe it isn’t exclusively babies; meaning the third head can also be a living human sacrifice, so long as they fit other criteria, like having a king’s blood or something. But I do think this is why the Targ’s suffer so seriously and so frequently from miscarriages and deformed stillbirths-because of an ancient massive blood ritual performed to give the valerians power to control dragons like the Golden empire of the Dawn was able to do. Like it was reverse engineering using the darkest possible means.
I think the human sacrifice element is true for blood magic more generally (that seems to be the case with Stark magic). But the thing with the Targ babies is uncanny and not seen with other houses-not just still births but babies with wings etc. Which could be because bonding with a creature of their own creating (dragons) has a higher cost than a creature that already existed (direwolves-which I only found out like 6-8 months ago were actual animals)
@@MeeraReads hahahaha I know, it’s always a surprise when you’re like, “wait I thought that was a fake animal.” Famously, Hugh Jackman did so little research before the first X-Men movie that while he researched the character a little, he never bothered to check if a Wolverine was a made up animal or not. Being from Australia, he wasn’t familiar with the parallel in size in ferocity that was being made (because in the comics Wolverine is like 5’3”, not like towering Hugh jackman.😆) he showed up on set and was doing all this like, wolf-acting. And Bryan singer had to pull him aside and be like “wtf are you doing?” And Hugh was like “trying to act like a wolf” and Singer was like, “???? Why?! His name is WOLVERINE. That’s a completely different animal.” And Hugh was like, “wait I’m sorry….theres a real animal called a Wolverine?” And they stopped filming for a little while so they could describe the animal to him, which is basically the North American honey badger on steroids. 😂Can you imagine showing up on set and having to be that embarrassed in front of everyone? Hilarious anecdote. But yeah dire wolves unfortunately not nearly as huge as we would like them to have been to be a badass fantasy creature. Like there have never been wolves the size of horses. But they were slightly bigger and had longer legs like the maned wolf does, which is still alive today and definitely looks weird enough to be a fantasy creature! It has an odd roar-bark that is very unique, too.
@@MeeraReads my main reason behind theorizing that dragon binding or birthing can also work with appropriately kingly sacrifices is that both khal drogo and Rhaego went into the pyre; Drogo was a king in his own right, Rhaego would fall into the unborn sacrifice category you’re absolutely correct about, and Mirri could have been a magical exception because she herself was deeply empowered through her vast magical healing knowledge and abilities in the dark arts; i.e., she “counts as much” as a king because of how special she is.
Additionally, I think that Mirri went into one of the dragons and is the third head of Viserion, which is going to pose a huge fuckin problem for Dany after not only killing Mirri unjustly for “disobeying” her master’s wishes under impossibly compromised circumstances that went against all her rules, but then imprisoning her in the dark under the pyramids for acting within her nature and being punished for what is claimed to be Drogon’s brutality. So once again she is being punished for Drogo’s actions, even in a second life in a second body. And I think she is going to hate Dany if they meet again.
@@laurelsilberman5705 I don’t think it’s Kings Blood, it’s wargs blood. Drogo is the Best Dothraki horse rider there is. If there were any wargs among the Dothraki, they would be Drogo.
Also Viserys is who I think is within Viserion. Shortly before his death he was interacting with the eggs, and could have remained within until the pyre.
Mirri I believe to have been the replacement for Daenerys, whose fiery death may have been needed to hatch the eggs, but Mirri took the place of.
@@evinoge5834I agree it's Viserys haha I'm glad I found one other person that thinks that. The dragon is called Viserion. The others are Drogon and Rhagal.
“Mom wake up, new Meera Video”
The three heads of the dragon are obvious: Gerris Drinkwater, Archibald Yronwookd and
👏Quentyn👏Nymerios
👏Martell👏
It's written all over the text. I'm so over these conspiracy theories that Dany and Jon are sOmEhOw going to be involved.
Three empty heads, that is
Great theory, now I guess I have to watch the rest of them. I think "But two heads To a third sing" could be a possible rider and the sacrificed soul talking to the lizard. If so then at the time of "From my voice: " and so on it could be implied the baby's soul stuck inside dragon's head is singing something different (implied by the Valyrians I mean, I suppose whatever is left from an unborn mind after long period of literally being an animal is mostly IQ enhancer and maybe some "factory settings" engraved to the dragon through the blood pact). Love the idea of Rhaegar being the supposed sacrifice, really adds depth to the melancholy he later shown in regard to the Summerhall.
Edit: Also I wonder what could be the reason for all the malformed dragons, maybe souls inside eggs were past some expiration date or were inappropriately stored
On Targaryen baby-sacrifice and dragon hatching... I like this theory; its in line with the blood-sacrifice-y vibes of the magic system and the connection between childbirth and dragon eggs that the Targs themselves clearly appreciate, but aaaaaaaarrrgggg its an impossible task to try connect each miscarriage/ded infant with a dragon birth in F&B. While its fairely reasonable that not every miscarriage would be reported in F&B, its infuriating how vague the book is about when various dragons are born. 😭
We're told: "Maegor was not yet a dragonrider, however. Though a dozen hatchlings had been born amidst the fires of Dragonstone in the later years of Aegon’s reign, and were offered to the prince, he refused them all." One of those would correlate with Aenys and Alyssa's daughter Vaella, and mayyybe Ceryse Hightower had a few miscarriages (thought none are mentioned in F&B), but that's still a lot to reach a dozen? Between 105 and 131, there are 3 entries on the baby sacrifice list: Aemma's son Baelon, Laena's son and Rhaenyra's daughter Visenya. Meanwhile there are ~11 dragons born (Sunfyre, Tessarion, Vermax, Arrax, Tyraxes, Moondancer, Morning-Rhaena's first dragon that instantly dies, Stormcloud, Morghul, Shrykos and Morning) - I don't know if its possible for Rhaenyra, Laena, Helaena (and maybe Alicent also?) to have enough secret miscarriages to account for all these dragons? And if its not a 1:1 ratio or baby sacrifices to dragon births, then why don't Maelor and Viserys II's eggs hatch?
idk, I like this theory enough that I'm half of the mind to ignore the stuff F&B says that seems to contradict it, just cuz it seems like GRRM was rushing parts of it, was being annoyingly vague in order to meet his publisher's deadline?
While I do really really like the dragon-X theory for thematic reasons, and with most family trees, it fits perfectly, I'm not sure how to square it with the 3/3 dragon-riding abilities of Alicent Hightower's sons? Mayyyybe Otto swapped his wife's kid for Saera or Maegelle's secret daughter, or mayyyybe skinchanger-X is interchangeable with dragon-X, and Alicent is a latent skinchanger? (The worldbook gives several instances of ancient Starks marrying the daughters of skinchangers, which could've 'upcycled' these genes into the nobility?) Its still a pretty big stretch...
Tangentially related theory: suppose that after in the Dance, Aegon III or someone else at court deeply traumatized by dragons reads Septon Barth's book, where he discusses Aerea's fireworms: "Whatever they might have been, they were creatures of heat and fire, and they did not love the ice, oh no. One after another they thrashed and writhed and died before my eyes". They conclude that hatchlings and eggs can be killed by ice, and secretly order every dragon egg around to be dunked in an ice bath. A few of the eggs (Baela&Alyn's daughter's egg and the last dragon) aren't frozen enough, so they hatch but are very sickly, but every other egg in Westeros is killed off. (Dany's eggs weren't in Westeros at the time, so they're still hatcheable, even centuries later).
This theory (or one like it) is kinda needed for the baby-sacrifice-dragon-hatching theory to work? Otherwise, why do the eggs stop hatching??? The same year the last dragon dies, poor Naerys starts having kids; she has a bazillion miscarriages/stillbirths. And if she's not dragon-X enough, then surely Daenaera, Daena, Elaena, Larra or one of Naerys' descendants should've had the right combination of magic genes and pregnancy complications to hatch a dragon, prior to Daenerys?
I think even storing them at room temperature (maybe the dragon pit) would be enough. All of the eggs we see in HotD are kept in those hot incubators for the most part, or we see Daemon take one from the volcano. I think the dragon pit definitely has something to do with it
@@MeeraReads Yeah that definitely fits with the portrayal in HotD... but how does that work with Dany's eggs? No way they were stored exclusively in a furnace for centuries?
@@Mj_Jetson exactly. They “died” when they were allowed to go cold and the big magic sacrifice spell brought them back. King’s blood for the stone dragons and whatnot
@@MeeraReads Then shouldn't the same thing have happened in Westeros, at Summerhall, etc.? How about this - there are 3 states for the egg: active, when the egg is heated, so all it needs is a dragon-X baby sacrifice to hatch; dormant, where its above freezing so the egg is alive, but it can't hatch until its heated; and dead, where the egg was frozen and it doesn't matter how much you heat it up or how many babies you sacrifice, it will never hatch. Dany's eggs were dormant, so a bit of fire and blood sacrifice and they hatched. Egg's eggs were dead, so he could've done a billion Summerhalls and still nothing would've happened.
Or would an explanation like this ruin the mystery and ambiguity of the story?
I think it’s absolutely something like that. The eggs at Summerhall would have been in the same state as Dany’s eggs, since they weren’t kept in a volcano or an incubator. Summerhall didn’t work because the ritual wasn’t completed, Rhaella was rescued and Rhaegar was born outside the castle (unlike Rhaego who Jorah brought into the tent while Mirri was doing her singing and blood magic)
Take and step back and look at “two heads to a third sing” as if it were poetry. It’s a metaphor for linking of the two heads consciousness/intelligence via the third head. If you say the third head is the blood sacrifice or soul of deceased child it makes even more sense. I don’t think the 3 headed dragon symbol means only one thing. It could be every theory that reasonably explains the three heads like prophecy, orgin of dragon genetics, and blood magic ritual.
I’m just starting the video, but those examples you list ARE also part of that saying.
There are many metaphorical “dragons” in our story, many of them do have three heads!
Another one I predict will be swords, “dawn” , is clearly one, “ice” or “oathkeeper” is likely another… and probably black fire.
And Arya herself, she’s no targ, but she’s certainly a dragon and has been spreading destruction thru the riverlands when warged into nymeria, who is the the head of the pack.
I’m guessing by the time Arya sails hone she’ll be greeted by a shoreline that’s lined with literally thousands of wolves, fed by the war, and by the flesh of man, and there will sit a wolf as big as a small horse, which Arya will likely ride (as rickon will ride in on “unicorn goats from skagos”
A mob of thousands of wolves with a hive mind would be a terrifying dragon, especially if that hive mind is lead by Arya with her skill and attitude.
Anyway,3 heads, the head of Arya, the head of nymeria and the head of the pack.
Many many things come in threes in these books but often one or more of them hasn’t been revealed to us yet
The trident river, which parallels the magic streams, has 3 rivers each with their own color, that flow into one.
It’s usually a strong but lazy beast, but with provocation it can grow to a roaring monster that none can withstand!
For me the proof that Egg wanted to burn baby Rhaegar lies in the words of maester Aemon when he was talking to Jon about Stannis and Mel's desire to burn Mance's baby for his "King's blood". When Jon totally shocked asked him if he thinks they would dare to burn a baby, maester Aemon said grimly: "better people than Stannis had wanted to do the same, and Stannis is not even a good person to begin with".
And one can ask, was maester Aemon delusional about his little brother or what? But then in a recent re read of the D&E novellas, there are parts when ser Duncan literally said about Egg when he made or said something wrong:"he's not a bad person, he's a good kid who didn't mean wrong".
Yeah, right.......
The dragons were bred to become dragons. the Valaryons were as well. There is a third...something else was created to make the bond, binding. But for reals-there is a breeding program of a sort happening IN text. Marriages to breed specific children/lineages. Magical bloodlines. In the show-she tries twice to name a baby Visenya-Rhae wants her brother to be named Visenya of she is a girl. Viserys's response is 'this family already has it's Visenya'...then Aemma asks Vis about his brother. The implication being that Daemon is Visenya reborn. It is also cool to note that the Targs NEVER name a living GIRL after Visenya, only their men. Rhae tho-THAT name goes for BOTH sexes. And the wyrms inside Aerae...whereber she went, it was beow ground.
This may not make any sense but i like the theory that maybe that name visenya after the first one is a cursed name and that they never is another visenya similar too the royal english family where every boy whos named richard has terrible luck and fortune that they no longer name them that.
@AerionTargaryen24 yep-now think about what that letter from dorne said that aegon reads. he burns it and leaves KL that night. After he reads THAT letter, Aegon and Vis are never alone the same room again, basically. Vis had something to do with what happened to Rhae-at least THAT is what Aegon thinks after reading that letter.
@@aprilmae274 holy crap you could be on too something, too this day I wish George would just tell us what it said but Ive always assumed rhaenys was dead and they wouldn't give her body back if he didn't stop the war.
@AerionTargaryen24 it is the point of figuring it out! the Fun! Through Aegon's actions and Dorne's..and even Visenya's we can figure out what that letter said. They never get her body-not in public anyways. The one thing I can't pin down-was Vis helping Rhae to disappear, or did she help to kill her? I had always thought it was to hurt her...but I now believe that Rhae WANTED to disappear. Rhae was trying to escape Aegon and Visenya helped her because she did love them BOTH. And Vis wanted the time with her brother/husband, she was lonely. Visenya pissed Aegon off by doing that-but if Vis had actually killed Rhae; if Rhae was REALLY killed by ANYONE, I think Aegon's reaction would be a bit more violent. Aegon KNEW Rhae was NOT dead or Dorne continues to BURN and Vis at the LEAST gets locked up in a tower if, not outright killed. It is having Maegor that cursed her Name...but that is a whole other thing to get into. Maegor's birth is very relevant though-as was the death of Rhae's dragon.
First time i hear this Egg Hatching theory binded to the X Chromosome and I do question it just based on Mendelian genetics of gametes but i havn't seen the whole theory from Preston Jacobs. I will try to watch the video and maybe even write a comment on reddit about it because although i can see the potential behind it, when the math is done the theory loses all its credibility. Despite genetics not being my field of expertise i dabble in it more often that i would care to admit.
Love to see your channel growing. Keep them coming!
On the flip (ice) side, what if Craster sacrificing all of his male heirs was to foster ice dragons 😅 Interesting theory, though!! After having read the Dune series, it sort of felt like the Targaryen family were somewhat inspired by the Bene Gessirit, but that might just be me haha.
So this is actually part (2? 3?) of the theory. I think the Children accept sacrifices of all ages and the Others prefer babies, like the volcano fae do. Not sure whether the sex matters, especially since folks in the north aren’t breeding a new type of animal. My third video about Oberyn talks about the deliberate sacrifice of sons (though the audio quality isn’t stellar, it’s an old video, I may record an updated version)
Not exactly, I believe it's the reunion of three branches of the Targaryen Family Tree.
Targaryen because you know it already.
Brightflame the descendants of Aeryion.
Blackfyre well you know it already.
And there is only one who can had all the three branches on him. Aegon the VI Targaryen (Young Griff).
Great theory, great video. I do have to disagree with some of the details though. I don’t think the sacrifice of a child is the trigger for hatching. Rather I think it’s the double dragon X women giving birth.
The dead babies are living their second lives within the dragons, but that doesn’t hatch them. It just charges the eggs, and makes them warm to the touch. An egg without a second life within are the ones that are cold and stone. And the second life doesn’t Necessarily have to be a baby. As Drogon has Drogo, and Viserion has Viserys within them.
Then either a birth or death by fire seems to be the trigger to the hatching.
Don't forget Quentyn.
@@aprilmae274 I’m curious, what should I not forget about Quentin?
@evinoge5834 He bonded with a dragon when he died as well...became a dragon? I don't even know how to phrase it lol
@@aprilmae274Quentin Martell?? He didn’t bond with any dragon, he was killed attempting to steal one away from Dany
Ohh. New contributer to me.Nicevoice. Enjoyed the content.
I like this theory and see how connected most targeryen women are with their dragons more the man (think Rhaeya hatching her only dragon after the dance )and to see the line of dragon dead truly when the Targeryen's sisters are put in the maiden's revolt😩 and after that not many girls are born.
That's not true. Tessarion and Daeron were very close, and so was Aegon with Sunfyre or Daemon with Caraxes...
Very interesting. What about all the miscarriages Aerys and Rhaella had later on, though?
They didn’t have the ritual with the singing, presumably. So the fae may have taken the spirits but they didn’t get dragons in return
I like this theory
Algormancy!
Aegon Visenya Rhaenys
Jaehaerys Alysanne Rhaena
Aemon Baelon Alyssa
Viserys Daemon Rhaenys
Rhaenyra Aegon Aemond
Aegon Baela Viserys
Aemon Aegon Naerys
Daemon Brynden Aegor
Baelor Maekar Aerys
Aegon Daeron Aemon
Jaehaerys Duncan Daeron
Rhaegar Viserys Daenerys
Robert Stannis Renly
Why always three?
Positive Replacement rate. Two to replace the previous generation and one for insurance.
Greetings from Kiev, I’ve enjoyed your video sooooooo much!
Is he singing a song of fire? As in, a traditional song passed down generations. Who is singing the song of ice I wonder.
Excellent video and theory. I also think human consciousness is involved in birthing dragons and their "three heads." I posted a very similar analysis on reddit last year but it did not take into account the song from HotD. I still like my version better (the three heads are three human consciousnesses stored in the dragon) simply because it is funnier.
I don't think is substantially changes your theory, but I wanted to slightly adjust your interpretation of Tolkien.
Things like dragons, wizards, balrogs and the like, are lesser ranked immortals bound to a physical/worldly form. The analog would sort of be spirits in a weirwood by, choice or force, bound to a mortal form, not limited to humans.
While I doubt Tolkien would have, GRRM would almost certainly require an exchange of some sort (sacrifice). I don't think Tolkien would have considered Gandulf a product of necromancy, though I can't actually entirely rule it out. Gandalf's rebirth comes at the sacrifice of a Balrog I suppose. A more worldly story like asoiaf would almost certainly demand it.
My purpose in this is actually to support something I think lines up with your previous thoughts. Something along the lines of your Fae finding a way or being brought back into the world against their will (l don't want to limit the theory). A consideration I had while listening is, what happens if there is no Fae willing or available? Were the Targaryens failing because there wasn't a fire version of Fae available (laying eggs away from Dragonstone).
One of the things I appreciate about your theories are their potential for Fae vs Fae (or Tuatha vs Fomorians). I find the question of the nature of their willingness to be part of the contest intriguing as well.
So, my understanding is that only Iluvatar can create life (he agreed to give life to the dwarves after they were made but kept them asleep until the elves were awake). Morgoth sung some discord into the creation song, but I thought that specifically dragons were created by Morgoth during the first age, and wargs/werewolves were created by Sauron. And since only Ilivatar can create new life, Morgoth and Sauron would have to make their creations from existing beings.
I know that Sauron was called The Necromancer during the earlier parts of the third age and that spirit magic was used to create the barrow wights. And at one point Tolkien stated that Morgoth created orcs by corrupting elves somehow, though I believe he never landed on a concrete explanation for the creation of orcs.
All that to say, I know that GRRM was inspired in part by Tolkien and has set out to tell a different story. So I cited Tolkien as supporting evidence for the idea that creatures like dragons and “wargs” (in quotes because warg in LotR doesn’t mean the same thing as warg in ASOIAF) in other stories were bred by beings with ill intentions, outside of the “natural order” (evolution, divine design by Iluvatar, etc).
I think the comparison stops there because Tolkien was a devout Catholic and GRRM is vocally anti-Catholic. And as you said, GRRM set out to tell a fundamentally different story. So the biggest difference would be that in LotR, everything is ultimately part of Iluvatar’s plan, meanwhile I believe that in ASOIAF, the supernatural forces at play (various flavors of fae) either serve some greater force that does not care about humanity, or they themselves are the force and are just as fractured and flawed as humans, just on a larger scale.
And I apologize for the essay in the comments. Originally I had a much longer section about Tolkien but then I was worried people would lose interest so I cut it. I have considered reaching out to In Deep Geek to ask about collab-ing on a deep dive about dragons, for this exact reason. I love LotR, but it’s not my wheelhouse the way ASOIAF is 😅
@@MeeraReads Your understanding is isn't wrong. To be fair, in many cases we are making sense of different versions of his story development so there will be details that contradict. However, your point that Morgoth twisted existing things it correct. Where necromancy meets the the topic is harder to get a clear picture.
My point is that with Tolkien he didn't make things out of dead things, he twisted living things. However, some of the maiar (roughly angels) who were lured by Morgoth also went into the world much like Gandalf. This is where it gets highly debatable in some cases. In some versions things like dragons, balrogs, and Huan are described more as maiar in mortal shapes than simply twisted mortal shapes. A colab with In Deep Geek would be cool for your theories.
The difference between elves and humans in Tolkein is that elves go to a sort of limbo they can actually come back from, humans just die. An analog to this limbo might be the weirwoods, depending on GRRM's implementation. Weirwoods acting like a collective soul jar the way we theorize Ghost will be a soul jar for Jon.
Where your current dragon theory is interesting is in what sort of combination of souls would be required to make a dragon. For example, would it require a CotF to bind a human and firewyrm soul. Do human souls work like CotF souls?
I like the suggestion of binding a wyvern "shadow"/soul to firewyrm soul as a means of twisting the shape of firewyrm to have wings. It's sort of has a Morgoth feel but I think it also fits with the sort of magical GMO feeling we get from GRRM. Not exactly test tubes, but as close as you can get without them. Exactly how Fae magic or perhaps souls interact with the process is interesting and it's why I like your theories.
I feel like there's a hint in the "golden blood of old Valyria" as to the historical nature. However, it would require proving a tree with gold/amber sap with finger shaped green leaves. At this point we only have the white and black trees. LmL has made the suggestion with regard to house Gardener, but as far as I know not many dig very deep into proving any sort of Golden Heart Tree. I think myths like "the dragons drank the sun" suggest some from of corruption of a Golden tree, but hard to argue/prove.
Sorry as well for the essay length responses. I seriously like where your theories go and it would be interesting to debate with you if I had the platform.
@@MeeraReads Also, have you ever watched Babylon 5? It definitely a bit of a tenuous connection, but there are many aspects of asoiaf that resonate within Babylon 5 or the other way around. In terms of your theory, it's a bit like plugging someone into a Shadow ship to act as it's CPU. Futher, the fact that rhis time around the Shadows are using telepaths rather than normal people is kinda like saying using a skinchanger rather than a normal person to improve the connection.
With regard to Daemon's song, it's kinda the same. But instead you're putting two people in to sing to the third the
larger ship/dragon. It's a weird thought, but I think it sorta fits what you're saying.
Fantastic!!
Thank you!
@@MeeraReads I can't think of any other explanation since watching this video. Also, the risque valyrian murals in viserys' room in HoTD pretty much confirm this hypothesis!
Meera, this is great!!
@@connorbrooks7501 thank you!
Great theory
X chromosome? But the Targaryen X chromosome was lost.... Aegon the conqueror had a Velaryon mother and he only had male sons. Aenys married another Velaryon lady meaning all X chromosomes inherited (through mother and dad) from the Targaryens dynasty are Velaryon and we specifically are told that the Velaryons are NOT dragonriders. Unless Valaena had a Targaryen mother, this theory of the X chromosome makes no sense. Even further, we see countless non-Targaryen women marrying into the Family. Martell, Lyseni, Blackwood... at that point in the tree Daenerys X chromosome is far from a Targaryen X.
Rhaenys gave one X to Aenys, who gave one X to Alysanne. Rhaenys had two Xs and only one needed to be a Targ dragon gene.
You can watch Preston’s videos which are linked in the description. It’s a 5 part series where he breaks down all the math.
@@MeeraReads If you are a woman, you inherit the X from your father and another X from your mother. If you are a male you inherit your X through the mother alone. Valaena was a Velaryon so her X was not a Dragonbounding gene. In the case of Rhaenys she had inherited the other X through her father okay, but Aegon shouldnt have been able to ride a dragon cause his X comes from Valaena.
And later Aenys and Maegor would have been lucky to inherit the dragonbonding X (out of the two X of their mother that allowed them to bond dragons so 50-50 chance). Then Aenys married a Velaryon, making it even harder for his issue to inherit. But later down the line we have Aemon marrying a Baratheon (without dragon X), later on, Viserys II marries a Lyseni woman, Daeron marries a Martell, Aegon V marrying a Blackwood... that alone makes by the time of Daenerys her most likely have a non-targaryen XX chromosome and would have been unable to bond dragons. Its a very far fetched theory.
Unless inheritance of X chromosomes is different in Westeros.
@Alejojojo6 as I said, Preston’s theory is clearly laid out in his video which you can go watch. I believe he asserts that Aegon’s Velaryon grandmother was a Targaryen, but it’s his video and his series.
You can go argue with him in his comment section.
@Alejojojo6 and the hatching is the important part on the X, and at every stage there was a mother or sister present to hatch eggs for a boy who lacked a Targ X. If the infant soul is required for the bond maybe a male isn’t required to also have a Targ X
@@MeeraReads But you made the whole video I just watched based on Preston's theory. So I can state my opinion on it no? Its never stated that Valaena's mother was a Targaryen in none of the books. I always believed she had to be descendant of a Targayren but we never got confirmation of that. I have looked for it thoroughly and there's nothing. Even if it was the case, that would not take away how it bypass the XX combinations of the Martell, Lyseni, (Hightowers and Baratheons at some point) and the Blackwoods.
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So are you saying that each dragon requires a stillborn to hatch? Or a stillborn is required to create the ability to hatch dragons? Because there arent enough still borns to correlate to each dragon.
It could be one stillborn per clutch, like Rhaego vs Dany’s 3 eggs
@MeeraReads I could see that. I definitely think that sacrifice is a piece of the puzzle. I had always thought that Dany needed a sacrifice to breathe life back into dead eggs. Like her eggs were laid 200 years previously why did it require a sacrifice then and not at the conception of the clutch ya know? Like how Syrax brings forth a clutch around the same time of visenyas death.
@jesseandersen4055 and that’s where the warmth is key, I think. Dany’s eggs died because they were allowed to get cold. These new eggs Daemon was caring for in episode 10 likely don’t need an additional sacrifice if they’re kept in the volcano and/or incubators
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The ability to give life to dragons is most certainly not “on the X chromosome,” as all human males also have an X chromosome (XY) and both sexes’ individual cells have the same amount of active X chromosomes: 1 (inactive X).
Also, this seems to be coming at this pattern from an overly-materialist framework. Magic bloodlines in Westeros are not merely a gene in a group of people- genes don’t explain magic, as magic by definition has no material/mundane cause. This is why people didn’t like midichlorians.
I do think the link with Targaryen women specifically is a strong one and most certainly true, but it’s magical, not material. If there is a material component, it is merely there to mediate the greater magical pattern.
The book story is still in some way unscathed by the butchering of dumb & dumber all the closure we seek will come in the final two books....eventually when George decides to release them