Prodigy Killer?!? Live Free Armory Apollo 11
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
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Just a quick note. Live Free Armory makes everything except for screws and springs inhouse, Meaning the Apollo 11 has zero MIM parts, witch is kind of crazy.
Legend has it if the 3D grip is not working or is to ones liking, one can send Springfield armory an Email and get a prodigy grip for $40, then *BOOM* a non MIM USA made compact 2011 for a smidge over 1k ($979 MSRP + $40 grip = $1019)
Not a legend. Can confirm, called them today and ordered one for $40.
No shit? This thread should be pinned to the top.
I called them to confirm internals due to a lot of internet back & forth about the MIM. One of their techs told me there is zero mim. He said because they’re primarily a CNC company, they now machine all the parts. Springs and the grip are outsourced. This is a fantastic value.
@@ArmeroPR I can confirm this is true.
Called Springfield Tuesday to place the order and received the grip Friday. $40 all day long baybee!!
I like the concept of 3d printed guns. Kudos to them for making it in the US vs. importing turkey guns.
Totally agree on both accounts! Thanks for watching!
Do you kniw of a 3d printing company that will make a grip rail for my 2011 like the ones that come from recover tactical.?@AlabamaArsenal
Solid review. Felt like your older pistol reviews that i liked so much. Nice !
Yeah its been a minute since we've done a pistol. Have a few pistol reviews that are about half done, might try to finish those up. So more pistols on the way! Of course more rifles too! Thanks for watching!
@@AlabamaArsenal The last few years have been volatile in so many ways. Thanks for the hard work keeping it going. Always enjoyable.
Went to the fun store and they had the Apollo 11 which seemed like a good bang for the buck. Went ahead and made the purchase and immediately walked it into their indoor range with 150rnds to shoot. Had about 7 failures and I could feel the slide get sluggish as the gun got dirty. I ran it without cleaning and just the lube that came with the gun so I could get a good feel for how the gun would run with minimal care and prepping it for the usual “break-in” process.
Took it home and cleaned it with the CLP that came with it and didn’t use any of my better product. The slide feels a lot smoother and less gritty after giving it some love. The gun has been failure free in the 500rnds after the first cleaning. I was able to notice a difference in the slide feel of my gray cerakoted finish vs the black cerakote finish model. Seems like the hardening on the black cerakote gives it a more buttery feel on the slide action and I am assuming that would’ve helped when the gun got dirty on the first trip.
Let’s see how it goes.
How is it currently running?
@@Catgat37 Hi! Have put about another 400rds and it seems to have broken in pretty good. I’m used to a normal 1911 style so feeling how the slide loosens up as I it ages, makes me feel a little “hmm”🤔 about the gun. For practical reasons, it is a great shooter and should be good for a shooter that likes to modify and tinker with the gun. I believe it is a solid base to build upon and gain experience for the platform and while you accumulate 2011 accessories (since the majority gear works with each other models). I shoot multiple platforms so dumping all my funds into an expensive 2011 wasn’t the plan but I am happy that I got lucky with the brand since I thought things started with Staccato and then up from there and didn’t think the cheaper ones were reliable. I you’re going to buy a one-and-only 2011 and don’t shoot too many other platforms, then this isn’t it. Save a few bucks and get a higher grade tool that offers all features. But objectively, the Apollo works.
@@Naldito_Rey I just put a compact version on layaway this morning. I am aware of certain issues people are reporting. I just wanted a 2011 for fun. I have all my bases covered for reliable defensive handguns. I primarily just run H&K now. The Apollo seems decent for the price. More importantly, my wife liked it, and she is the one paying for it lol.
That grip-module texture looks excellent.
I really like it! Thanks for watching!
It's okay...looks better than it actually feels. It's not aggressive really. the problem is it's 3D printed and really flimsy and honestly, I'd trash it and order a prodigy grip module from Springfield directly for under $50
You are the first person that has preferred the grip module over say a prodigy! But I'm very excited to get My hands on the Apollo compact! And get the barrel ported on the end where the cutouts are
Really, I’m surprised by that, but I guess everyone has their own opinion. It’s a very cool gun. Thanks for watching!
EPS full size would be about the biggest window you can get in the RMS-c footprint, and bonus points for enclosed emitter. That's roughly the same window size as an RMR, FYI.
Looks like it might be amenable to a modest "v" porting job thanks to the speed holes on the front of the slide.
And I wouldn't worry too much about the grip being printed, the 3D2A guys are getting some serious durability out of nylon carbon fiber and nylon glass fiber for entire frames and lowers, dealing with a lot more stress than just the grip and trigger guard.
You're making me want one.
The king of pistols needs one of these!!! Thanks for watching man!
@@AlabamaArsenal I agree.
Fellow Alabamian here, love your videos. Curious where you guys are shooting at in most of your range videos. Really dig the LFA 2011.
Is a threaded barrel version available? You know I like to keep things 🤫
Not yet but if they do offer a thread compact version I’ll be the first to buy it
I have to agree, I would LOVE to see this with a threaded barrel option!!! Thanks for watching!
A common issue I’ve seen with these is them not liking hollow points. Any issues with yours feeding HP reliably?
Thanks, We'll have to take a look at the apollo eleven.
Appreciate you watching!
Fellow South Alabamian here, all hail ! Roll Tide!
It’s a great grip texture wise just feels hallow. I love my full size and compact.
I don't know, maybe I'm alone on this, but do not all 2022 grips feel kind of hollow? Because, you know, they are hollow? Appreciate you watching man!
@@AlabamaArsenal I don’t think the staccato grips feel that way. As much as I love the texture on the Apollo grips they feel like they could crumble at any moment.
I’ve been on the fence but you just shoved me over, does that red sit low enough to use your sites if needed… great video 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽👍🏽
It definitely does, sights are completely visible through the dot. Thanks for watching!
They had me at full length dust cover!
Got my Apollo 11 compact back from LFA...new slide, new barrel, new firing pin, and the extractor tension was adjusted....That's a lot of new 'main' parts for a new gun. Ran (4) 17 rd mags through it, and had 1 FTF.....Before I sent it to LFA, i would have 20 failures of some sort in 4 mags.
Staccato C2 is my favorite compact; it has such a high performance for its size and weight(approx G19). Has a SCS320 direct mount, low co-witness iron, and X300U on it.
Still glad to see more "Gateway '2011's 🤣"to get people into the game.
This Apollo 11 seems to be at the P226 league (33oz) even for the compact version. It should help a ton with recoil, but man, that's kind of heavy for a compact pistol when loaded.
Considering that's like 30% heavier than a C2, which even a fully equipped C2 won't reach that weight w/o mag😨
Nice video you have a new sub! Been looking at this and a Prodigy to get in the game! There’s so much you can do with these guns!
Really appreciate the sub! Thanks for watching!
Wow, this is awesome! Now I might finally be able to afford a high quality double stack 1911!
CORRECTION: Live Free Armory Apollo 11 does not have MIM parts.
Good review. Still enjoying the pistol? Saw one today at LGS and it immediately caught my eye.
I have the Apollo 11 Compact FDE. Right out of the box, the safeties are extremely hard to engage, had three light primer strikes on good quality ammo, hammer follow, and Trouble ejecting magazines. The good news is that it shoots great and the only actual feeding issues i had was on Last Round with SA Prodigy mags and it wouldn't lock back after last shot fired with them either.
Sending the gun off to Skips Guns to have change the internals and fit Wilson Combat Bullet Proof Ambies on it. I would normally do all this myself, but 80 hours a week doesn't allow me play time with my kids never mind play time on hobbies.
That's what big plan on doing. Playing with my Apolo 11 and then sending to skips for a tune up and posting the barrel like skip did.
Sweeeeet
Appreciate you watching man!!!
As someone that owns multiple 3d printers just know that this type of 3d printing is likely SLS or some “proprietary” version of SLS that is literally just SLS but **fancy** or even if not proprietary is just a a little different. For instance DMLS is basically the same process but it’s way more expensive and uses a more powerful laser and uses metal instead of polymers (that’s all way over simplified but this already too long) and DMLS is what is used to print metal suppressors typically but anyway point is those style industrial printers and most industrial printers are very larger often multi process (multiple different machines not just the printer) high end types of 3d printers/systems that generally start in the lowish 10s of thousands and easily go into the hundreds of thousands so yeah its tough and strong assuming it’s done right and depending on the materials and all that (3d printing of any type is very complex and can easily be screwed up be you’ll know it when it happens generally) but before someone goes out and buys a “normal” 3d printer just know that while you can get a good printer for a couple hundred and the (arguably) best ones on the consumer side can be had for around $2k there’s a massive difference between those and the stuff these guys use and a even bigger learning curve (just join some 3d printer groups to watch the pain, it took me hundreds of hours just to half ass know what I was doing) and even then it’ll be hard to match that quality and durability, if you want to go that route though SLA/DLP would be the best way but I never use mine cause its a pain in the ass and smells like a used burning rubber or burning used rubber or whatever I’m not English enough to make that joke but point is it stink and is a pain to work with so Google and UA-cam it before anyone buys anything. MakersMuse is a decent place to start and do not rely on Amazon reviews to decide on what to buy, the 3d printing world is plagued with the nerd equivalent of Fudds that review things they don’t know how to use
TMI
You've got all the good stuff, Bama
That was a cool review!😮 Thanks.
Appreciate you watching!
1911s are my favorite guns too…I have two traditional .45s but need to step into the 2011 world
Hey, there aren't any Mimd parts in the new Apollo's. The compacts never had Mimd parts including yours.
Their website recommends using their own mags or Checkmate 2011 mags, and the Checkmate mags are Staccato pattern, does that mean this thing takes Staccato regular model mags too (so anything except the CS)?
We used some Staccato mags during the review and they worked great. Thanks for watching!
The ones I've seen looked good. Just some gap issues that drive me nuts. I think I'm going to try the Platypus. And it's just because it uses Glock mags lol
I wish I would've gotten the platty instead of the Apollo compact....FTF (failure to feed), LPS (light primer strikes), dead trigger as in pull the trigger and no bang...Keep pulling the trigger, push here push there and sometimes it'll fire. Drop the mag to clear a failure and mag drops plus 1 extra round drops from somewhere.
I put 500 very difficult rounds through it. Sometimes 6-7 failures in 1 mag....Using 3 LFA branded mags and 1 Checkmate branded mag. I had a 30% failure rate in the 500 rounds. I took detailed pics, labeling the mags, with about 6 different brands of ammo in 115 and 124 and sent the Apollo back to LFA. They've had it for going on 3 wks.
There has been a LOT of issues with the compact from what I've read/seen. I know there were issues with the full size but hoped after a year, the compact would not have the problems that the FS had.
On the matter of the grip being 3d printed, I have several printed components on my PTR 9CT, and they are certainly up to the same quality as the injection parts. I have almost no concerns about the quality of this part.
Compact version is Beautiful… Full Dust cover makes this gun look better than others its size… Hate that C2 isnt full dust cover… Staccato P Heritage came 4.15 barrel full dust cover but good luck finding it sooooo 🤷🏻♂️…
Send it to Skips Gunz he’ll get this baby running better than any stock Sfaccato & you’ll still be under $1500
The grip does feel very well made. It gets a bad rep unjustly.
Yeah I guess I’m finding out that some people don’t like the grip?!? I couldn’t imagine someone thinking a prodigy grip is better than this. I guess everyone has their own opinion, but I’m a huge fan of the grip. Thanks for watching!
@@AlabamaArsenal It's flimsy-ish. You can squeeze the grip and it flexes in and out.
Comparing 3D printed titanium suppressors to the LFA 3D printed plastic grip...lol not comparable at all. My LFA grip is so flimsy I feel like I can break it by gripping it
I was about to leave the same comment. Debunked gun review
I want one with a bit smaller grip like g19 size so I can conceal carry it.. I just cant conceal a full-size grip, and all the 2011's with smaller grips are like 2k plus.
Thank you that was interesting.
Appreciate you watching!
FYI the apollo 11 no longer uses mim parts
They went to stamped parts.
Does it come in a 45 apc
I can't get mine to run suppressed. I've actually tried fitting multiple threaded barrels, different spring weights, etc...and nothing has worked so far. I'll keep trying to work out the issue, and hopefully get it figured out. Mine has some other issues that I need to address as well, like the crazy amount of play in the thumb safety, and the grip safety will not disengage unless you put a death grip on it. The slide to frame fit on mine is absolutly horrible. Mine did not have recoil lugs in the optic cut and my EPS Carry came loose even with loctite. So needless to say, I need to do some work on mine. I like the fact that it's USA made, but I wish this thing was built as nice and shot as good as my Tisas NightStalker DS and Prodigy, both of which run 100% when suppressed. I've got 2 Platypus', and I'm sorry to say that the Apollo 11 isn't even close to being in the same class.
My Apollo 11 is back to LFA FOR THE 3RD TIME!... Repeated failure to return to battery, every 3rd shot. LFA don't seem to know how to fix a gun. My Stacato C2 and Bul SAS II 425 Pro run flawlessly. Stay away from the Apollo 11
yup....I had 30% failures in 500 rounds...LFA has it now.
The grip texture is patterned after LFA's janitors pet dragon. The little buggar resisted being held down while his skin was scanned.
Have y'all reviewed the stealth arms Platypus?
I haven't, but I would like to, very interesting gun. Thanks for watching!
I went to buy one of these I think they were $680? A bargain. But I think the Turkish delight Tisas felt a little better and was like $30 cheaper. Im still going to buy one of these just waiting for the right one to come in. Ive ended buying a second Tisas while waiting.
Threaded barrel option? A beauty like this needs to be can ready.
I agree! Thanks for watching!
okay so i’ve never had a problem with adaptor plates, direct connect dots and so on for pistols, however i’ve been eyeballing this gun and a gideon optics omega, i’ve been trying to find if the RMSc to RMR adapter plates hold zero or look decent or just plain stupid on a bigger gun like this that’s made for RMSc, maybe someone could answer me here in the comments or maybeee yall will see this and do a video on it on the apollo! i know i wouldn’t be the only one curious about a full sized dot on it and if it’ll hold zero. super curious!?
Thanks. 1st person to welcome me back
I have a prodigy and a bul sas ii tac. The bul is light years ahead of the prodigy. I think ill go for a jacob gray next.
When I get mines I’m getting a built in comp slide that’s way to snappy for a 2011
Love your videos man!
I live about forty miles from the range you use. Can’t wait to stretch out to a thousand. I’m a 1911 nut as well. And I tell my wife all the time. I don’t want to lose weight. Fatter is better. 😅
The second time I took it out shooting the guide rod chipped and now it wont sit and I can't pull the slide back. Perfect paper weight.
Website?
Gotta love the way theirs always a brand killer ie glock killer, now a prodigy killer, can’t they just say new to the industry and a value buy
Sadly, that title would get overlooked. But in all reality they both say the same thing, one just gets more clicks. Don't hate the player, hate the game 🤣. Appreciate you watching!
The prodigy kills itself.
LFA needs to offer an upgraded metal or polymer lower on the pistol. The one it comes with is 3D printed and super cheesy.
Where good place to get one?
I'd like to see Glock throw their hat in ring! I know wishful thinking, but hey! Gaston's daughter is running the show now, so anything is possible, lol
Why
why couldnt thy just have the holosun footpriny
I dont know i trust the quality. A few years ago i was looking at LFA glock kits at a gunshow, all 5 kits had chatter marks in the rifling.
dam that's cool
It’s a very cool pistol! Thanks for watching!
Apollo 11 make me strong.
Id believe u if this was a platypus review.
I would like to do a video on the platypus at some point. Interesting gun. Thanks for watching!
Wow
It’s an impressive pistol! Thanks for watching!
That guns hot if it’s actually made in the USA
That one guy is pretty jacked I'm a bodybuilder and lift regularly. Wonder how hard he had to work to get there.
He’s been working at it a long time! Thanks for watching!
You write that you are a bodybuilder but wonder how someone else does the same thing…? I suspect he lifts weights and eats well.
The Apollo 11 in my experience with both the compact and full sized don’t come close to the prodigy, I have all 3. I have sooo many issues with both of my Apollo 11 but zero with the prodigy.
I RMA’d the full size and they sent it back doing the same thing. The grip is the worst…. This video really makes me question the channel ….
Also it only comes with one mag!!! ONE!
Thought I heard that tune somewhere. It’s Kanye west
Not gonna buy a 2011 from a company that couldn’t make a Glock Gen3 clone work…
No Prodigy killer😂😂😂
I REALLY dont understand the 2011 craze it is a gun that shots 9mm out of a double stack magazine wow who knew ? I guess I am just a old guy but to me if it is a 1911 it shots .45 otherwise what's the point ? Either way if I am paying over a grand for a 1911 I am getting a REALLY good 1911 not a ok 2011 in 9mm !
Well my first car was $300 😅
Paid? Or Free gun I assume. Seen a lot of issues with these.
Remember all the anti-1911 guys didn’t want to carry a gun with a manual safety?? 😂😂😂
Nope.
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