actually the main problem is "decreased creativity" the problem for AAA games is that they don't dare to leave their comfort zone. and the problem of indie games is the lack of experience. so there are still many shortcomings. but the most important thing is the fun that don't lose
Yeah, they both have shortcomings. For AAA games the reason they don't leave their comfort zone is because there's a guaranteed level of success if they follow the formula.
Other than learning the mobile ecosystem a decade ago to barely support handhelds and push live services/trend following so much I don't know the last risk they took because they are so formulaic these past few years. You get some ok ideas to spin on the trends with those technologies you benefit from in AAA range but not enough.
@@realtayo42id argue its because they have to appease the shareholders a lot of companies want to expand but it's all the shareholders and publishers who don't actually make video games that don't want to loose the bottom dollar so they make them make the same thing over and over
Unlike indie games, which 99% of the time try to be one the following: rouglite, bullet hell, Stardew Valley clone, souls clone, survival game. So original, that surely showed the trashy AAA industry how it's done
We live in an era where an Italian chef trying to stop a floating pizza from destroying his business is more loved than a couple of scientists and war veterans saving a town from vampires made by a millionaire company.
i think the biggest issue with AAA games is that theyve been around too long, you know what i mean? back when gaming was relatively new and indie games were incredibly rare, all the AAA companies had to innovate and come up with new ideas to try and stand out. as indie games became more common, AAA games tended to turn into super generic games, practically rereleases of the previous game, just with new maps or a new ui, and it was up to the indies to innovate, give ideas for the AAA to take if they see it as interesting or good. people will buy the most abusive microtransactions, and all most of the big companies want is money. indie devs tend to want to make an experience either catered to a specific niche, or just generally good, while AAA companies just go for the safest stuff, whatever sells
The fnaf games creator Scott Cawthon said in an interview that he didn’t really make the games for money, though he only created them for people to have fun, hence why it’s only 4 dollars. I think I got point.
One thing that still baffles me today is, most can't differentiate ugly graphic and art styles. Also you can pursue as realistic as graphic can get, but there are no creativity in it. It's a game, not a live drama. If you really l, really long for the most realistic graphic, get out and touch the grass. I mean like do it literally.
I used to play mostly indie games back when I only had a laptop with dual core CPU and Intel HD GPU for gaming. I had my best memories in gaming back then, playing stuff like Sundered, Death's Gambit, Guacamelee or Stanley Parable. Then I got a high end gaming PC and decided to play a lot of AAA titles to make the most of my rig capability. I ended up mostly playing Fallout 4 with mods, and it was more finding and trying cool mods with it than playing the game itself. I only finished like 4 AAA titles as I'm speaking, mostly the newest titles. Then my PSU went bad so I had to replace it but I was really broke and needed to save for two months before I could get a new one. I played indie games on my laptop again in the meantime and...boy, did I had fun playing games again! I spent like 6 to 7 hours on a sunday just playing Dead Cells and yet, I couldn't keep myself playing stuff like Horizon Zero Dawn, Elden Ring, Spiderman Remastered or Assassin's Creed Valhalla for three hours straight. There's just something about indie games that you can't get on many AAA games nowadays.
I'm with you there. I don't even feel the need to upgrade my pc/go for the latest games because they don't interest me much anymore. I've been playing a lot of retro games and indie stuff and I'm having a blast
@@realtayo42 That is so true. I've seen so many people complaining about future AAA titles now requiring more than 8gb of VRAM to run at 70 fps for 1080p, especially after the release of The Last of Us part 1 on PC. Meanwhile 9 Years of Shadow, a gorgeous 2D pixelart metroidvania have been released in the same month and it runs great even with just 2gb of VRAM so the 12 gb on my GPU is overkill.
Exactly. I don't care about crazy graphics or great animations if a game is just fun. Vampire survivors is a great example of a game just being pure fun.
ten aaa games that I've played and would say were complete and polished at release (obviously though this is based on my experience, so it is possible I lucked out on bugs and stuff): ghost of tsushima, the last of us 2, re4 remake, dead space remake, god of war ragnarok, sekiro, resident evil village, rachet and clank: rift apart, metroid dread, and doom eternal. I don't know that this proves or means anything, but I could do it.
I'm definitely being hyperbolic about "all AAA games being bad". Those are 10 very solid AAA games that were nearly perfect at launch and delivered on the promises they made to consumers. What's sad is that those appear to be the exception rather than the rule. This could of course be distorted by the fact that outrage is more newsworthy than satisfaction. Over the last few months, we've had a slew of bad game launches (LOU Part 1 on pc, Jedi Survivor, Redfall, Forspoken, etc.) that seem to take up a majority of the discussion about AAA games. I don't know if it proves a point but being able to look at that list you made of list of solid, fairly recent games definitely helps me to step back from the doom (ha) and gloom of things and remember it isn't all bad. Also, I'm humbled you watched my video. Along with NakeyJakey, you're one of the two channels that inspired me to make videos. Cheers, and I look forward to your next one!
I feel like there is something to be said here, there is another theme to bad AAA games... and it's not the numbers. It's more so the live services that take a toll on them. For example, let's take two Nintendo games, Kirby's Return to Dreamland and the Sinnoh remakes. Those two are simular in that they are remakes/remasters of previous games, but one is significantly better, Kirby. Kirby has plenty of new content like Magalor Epilogue and new copy abilities, while the Sinnoh remakes has... more bugs that aren't Pokémon. The difference is that one is meant to be played online while the other, while it has online features, can be played by yourself just fine. I'm just saying, maybe single player games can work more money than live services/ open worlds (Lookin' at you Forespoken, take some lessons from a literal *BEAT*down)
I'm all with you there. And I've actually made videos on all these topics as well haha. I'm frustrated with the live service model, and the digital age games in general because of the "release now, fix later" mindset.
There's this Canadian gaming company called Klei Entertainment. Not only do they create successful games at reasonable budgets while doing new formulas of gaming, but even treat their employees with respect and fairness. I played their game Mark of the Ninja and it's remastered version, and I had fun playing such a swell game.
The only problem with indie games is most of them are very short so the purchase is not justified for many people. The price to content ratio is too high. However those indies that are longer or have lots of replay value like Stardew Valley, Terraria, Don't Starve, CrossCode, etc are definitely worth the price.
Usually however, indies are not priced anywhere near the 60-70 range. Many are 40 or less, with a number of them being closer to the $20 mark. And yeah replayability helps massively.
@@realtayo42 Yeah, I know they are not $60 but the ratio of price to content is still very high. For instance What Remains Of Edith Finch is usually around $24 and it has less than 3 hours of gameplay. Stray is also around this price and is around 6 hours in length, I am sure you get the point. This is a hard pill to swallow for most people regardless of the quality of the game. But a game like Stardew Valley has easily over 50 hours of gameplay for the main campaign alone and could be plated forever honestly so more people are likely to buy that game even if it were $40.
I think part of the problem with AAA game companies is also 1) They've stubbornly stuck to the same price point for far too long, and tried to stuff other horrendous monitization into games that undermine gameplay to make up for it as inflation eats away at the dollar. 2) They spend WAY too much money on games, trying to give everything super complicated graphics, movie quality sound, etc., when great graphics/etc. aren't needed for a great game, just great gameplay.
I think the company that stands out id Nintendo. They aren't afraid to make delays to games to make them perfect. Legend of Zelda and Mario are the franchises that have no bad game in their series. Sure they'll destroy anyone who tries to make fan stuff, but they still make fabulous games
one thing i can give AAA games is that the good ones are just easier to find you rarely ever miss a really good triple A game but theres so many awesome indies that dont really get to see as much popularity as they deserve because they just lack the money for marketing like crosscode for example yeah it did pretty well but not nearly as well as it shouldve done for its quality
They spend a ton of money marketing regardless of whether or not the game is actually good. As a result, we hear about every AAA game, which means the good ones are praised to high heaven, and the bad ones get destroyed by everyone. The reason we like to make so many games talking about indies is that to be honest, videos on UA-cam and Twitch streamers can bring a lot of awareness to these games. I'll continue to cover them and point them out because mainstream gamers probably have no idea awesome games like these exist.
Thanks for including Outer Wilds here, such an incredible game that could only ever have been made by an indie studio. This is a great video, I’m genuinely surprised it doesn’t have more views.
Hey I'm glad you enjoyed the video! And yeah I felt that making a video about the strengths of indie games and not including Outer Wilds would be a criminal act haha, it's a game that every single gamer should experience at some point.
I believe insomniac games are the people who can bring in hope for AAA developers to see how they should work and deliver games within a fun and consistent rate. When Spider-Man 2 releases? Ya'll finna see insomniac do some good within the industry this generation. *I have faith in that...*
You know, I think what surprises Mr is that a lot of these indie companies did not want to actually kill of the AAA market, and instead just wanted to make an actual good game.
The only thing killing the AAA industry is the AAA industry. Indie games probably wouldnt be as popular as they are if AAA gaming didnt take a gigantic nosedive in quality. Graphics keep on getting better and better, but so do the bugs and glitches, along with poor quality due to most of the budget going to the better graphics.
I think Starfield vs No Man's Sky is a perfect example of this dichotomy. Rovers, more handcrafted content, seamless transition between space & planetside...I'd be willing to bet these are all things that many people on Bathesda's creative teams really wanted to do, but somebody higher up the ladder did a cost-benefit analysis and decided those things weren't worth the money (for now). Also, compare how each developer responded to their game not being well received initially. Hello Games didn't blame the "haters" and dig in their heels trying to retain their most loyal fanbase, they acknowledged the criticisms and bent over backwards to try to fix them...and today, NMS has become one of the most respected space games out there. Starfield on the other hand...I feel like even if Bathesda is serious about wanting to ride this horse for another several years, it'll be too late because most people will have moved on.
The main problem with AAA games is complicated but the big parts the people can point to the most is a few topics; 1)The Fix it later mentality. Just Because you CAN fix it later does not mean you Should 2)The MVP Goals. This kinda goes with Fix it Later. MVP standing for Minimal Viable Product. Games Release Incomplete. With most of their content about a year out. Gamers start to question why bother purchasing the game now when the complete version is a year from now. 3)Lack of Variety and Creativity. Companies forget that RISK is needed to grow a market. If you are unwilling to take RISKS in your entertainment then your not going to grow.
Indie games get too much credit. Most indie games that ive played have been repetitive and boring, or frustrating. Smile for me was repetitive and lost its charm, undertale was frustrating not just because the fandom, but also because only 2 playstyles even matter, genocide and pacifist. Celeste is frustrating because it is a trial and error platformer. Bendy and the ink macine was boring for the most part. Fnaf was repetitive, boring, and frustrating because of the gameplay. And the problem isnt just the game design, its also the "indie games are absolutely killing AAA games" argument. They exaggerate it to an insane degree
@@vladi3862 what of it? I want to play a game i enjoy when i get off work. I dont want to waste time looking for an indie game, and end up not liking it because the game.
@@shadowgames6164 then don't complain about difficulty when you're not ready to learn how to play a game, you probably heard that celeste is a difficult precision platformer and still you decided to give it a chance, knowing you're gonna end up hating it because you suck at games
I recommend Celeste if you like tough platformers! It’s has a really sweet story with memorable characters and diverse chapters! And once you get the grove of the gameplay it becomes very fun!
I really liked the video! But I think it’s pretty important to realize that not all indie games are as well known as the ones you covered are. There’s a game on Steam I know for sure you’ve never heard of, called “Wrongworld” it was primarily made by just one guy, with the help of a couple of people and the ideas of fans that would be put in updates later. Unfortunately, due to a lack of money, (and almost going bankrupt!) all updates had stopped in early 2020. The game literally has less than 400 reviews, and NEVER got any console ports because of this. If you could cover this game in a video, it would truly make my day :D
Thank you! Yeah there are a ton of indie games that never get the love they deserve. My goal was just to point people toward indie games in general so they might have the chance of discovering those unknown games. Not sure if I'll ever cover Wrongworld, but never say never haha.
Humans don't downsize by choice If you are used to making $1,000,000 a year, you adapt your life around it So when offered $100,000 a year to try something risky, you can't fathom changing your whole life to fit a lower standard.. Unless you aren't given that choice because people stop buying. Then, because you're getting less than that $100,000 you choose the riskier (creative) option
Every time I hear the "Outer Wilds" tune I get that feeling... People who played can understand it. I like games as an experiences. How the story can be delivered, like in mentioned "Outer Wilds", or the immersion as a player in "Before Your Eyes". Or when the challenges, provided by the game world, and events, that happens regardless of player's participation, makes it alive, like in "Rain World". And that's why I love when Indie developers try to expand the boundaries of games mechanics and expectations and make something extraordinary that will make an unique experience that can be something more than just having fun or being immersed. That moment is when the game, as form of media and storytelling, meets art. (IMHO)
- Supergiant Games (Hades) - Sabotage Studio (The Messenger) - Team Cherry (Hollow Knight) - Game Kitchen (Blasphemous) - Joymasher (Blazing Chrome) - Motion Twin (Dead Cells) - Yacht Club (Shovel Knight) - Way Forward (Shantae) They are the best Indie games Developers
Not every AAA game can be considered a "bad" one. Yes, AAA companies do frequently focus on the business end of things, but AAA titles like Red Dead 2, Spider-Man, and Eldanring are all fantastic examples of great games. and it seems to me that you failed to acknowledge them. Despite concentrating on three aspects, you made your video to make fun of AAA games. "The Last of Us 2" was mentioned by you. While other games have sequels as a short cash grab, The Last of Us 2 was an incredible and fantastic way to wrap off the plot. That game wasn't meant to be a short cash grab; rather, it was meant to be a sequel that would expand on the world and story of the characters. I enjoy inde games; don't get me wrong; I've played Cuphead four times or so. My point is that AAA games aren't always terrible.
Dont forget Rockstar & the studio behind Skyrim they are also creatively bankrupt I mean Skyrim & GTA5 have both been remade multiple times cause those studios cant think of something new to make
While Bethesda has made several games since Skyrim (Starfield just came out), it just feels so gross for them to continuously repackage the same game and sell it for full price again and again. And rockstar...yeah. They barely make games anymore because their cash cow is doing well enough on its own that they don't feel a need to.
There’s a few games that come out that are a genuine EXPERIENCE and have the level of impact of a life changing movie. Things like the long dark do this through environment and immersion. Other games like tell me why do it by capturing a very specific feeling like nostalgia. Another still is our life beginnings and always. There’s also Gris and Omori. Every single one of these game is an indie title and has genuinely changed me for the better. Some games are fun just like some movies or books are fun but some can be truly life changing. No triple A game has ever made me feel anything close to what these game have done.
You're biased about this topic since you didn't add this info to your video: Hades 2 was announced, Hollow Knight 2 also announced, the other one that's in 50's cartoon style also getting a sequel and possibly a tv show. Indie devs are as greedy as big companies, they just don't have the trust and support of consumers to invest/get a budget to develop full blown triple A games. Most of indie games don't have microtransactions because they lack the server infrastructure needed to implement the service; but if they had it they would also use it: who wouldn't buy more character models on any of the indie games mentioned before? The art is so cool people would def buy in game items if they could. I've been gaming since I'm 5 years old back in the 90s, and I still haven't found a single indie game that I like, not a single one I can play as if it was the only game that exists. I'd rather just play old games. Valhalla has the main story campaign which plays as an unlockable tv show, but it also has several game modes included for free within the game, including a fully fleshed roguelite mode with permadeath and rng hidden behind an npc quest that you have to find the npc and all, like it's not given; I put like 40 hours only on the roguelite mode. I honestly don't get why people hate one of the most successful games ever made that also has so much content and game modes that like why buy any other game ever? Elden Ring is especially bad considering it's the 6th iteration of demons' souls, to not count king's field games; same 10 year old gameplay, same 10 year old graphics, no new systems or meaningful mechanics, no game modes, same disgusting multiplayer infrastructure with the horrendous lag and phantom range. Dark souls is a bad/poorly developed ninja gaiden clone; fromsoft made an actual ninja gaiden clone at the same time they were working on demons' souls, that obviously failed because ninja gaiden was better. Elden Ring is a bad/poorly develoed Assassins' Creed that lacks all the customization ubisoft gives in their games. The difference between indie games and triple A games is that indie games play how they play, and triple A games allow you to play your way. Elden Ring lacking so many Ui options is not positive when compared to Valhalla that allows you to play completely blind in terms of Ui if you want to, it's not mandatory; Valhalla is the dark souls 2 fromsoft wanted to make. In Elden Ring there are towers where you go and pick up the map of the area and you can even see the tower in the map marked regardless of the fog of war: it's the same as any AC, fromsoft didn't bother coding a platforming system to climb the tower, they just made it a monolith, threw the item in the ground and told you where you could pick it up. How is that better than any AC? I don't get it. Elden Ring was awfully broken on release and it took them several patches to fix the crashing, the visual artifacts... are you living under a rock? The game still crashes often, like any other triple A game. Elden Ring doesn't have microtransactions, but how does that fix the gameplay being the 6th iteration of the same game? Fromsoft didn't even write the game, they sourced the writing to the GOT writer; they sourced sekiro's stealth system to activision. I don't understand the fromsoft praise. The new Armored Core incoming on august is the 7th iteration of demons' souls now with mecchas, even the writing is the same "the fire fades, light the embers", estus flasks, dodges, in a meccha game. I do not understand the fromsoft praise. I heard someone give a review the other day "they release banger after banger" of course, they are the call of duty of action rpgs; it's the same game with different assets, the same story with different wording, the same animations reussed, the same character designs with a bit of variation, cmon be for real people. Stop using elden ring and fromsoft as an example of greatness, it's exactly the opposite; they are destroying all other genres; god of war turned into arpg, ac turned into arpg, nioh should have been ninja gaiden successor but no, another arpg, wolong at least had the balls to remove the stamina bar and add a ton of new mechanics that don't exist in any other game, including improvements to multiplayer infrastructure on arpgs such as the capacity to revive teammates and teammates being able to revive the host. You're crazy if you think triple A games are failing :D Valhalla sold $1 billion and has over 20 million players; COD is so massive that countries are fighting each other to have control over the IP because of how it will affect their economy; if sony loses COD japan feels the blow hahahahah triple A games failing hahahaha you're living in a bubble; ubisoft has like 6 AC games already in development; EA keeps putting out sport games like it's nothing and people don't care that the assets they bought through microtransactions don't cross over to the new games hahahahahahaha they don't care and consumers don't care haha they just keep buying the new iterations of the same games and they keep buying the same assets through microtransanctions to have them in the new game hahahaha insanity; capcom keeps pushing out the same street fighter game for the past 20 years the same game with extra handicaps to make it more casual and people keep buying it, they sell the same dlc characters on every new game because the assets don't cross over to the new games, tekken 8 is the same thing hahahahahahahahahahahhahaa consumers get scammed and they do not care, they do not care one bit; nintendo keeps pushing out the same mario game, the same zelda game hahahahahaaha indie devs are aiming to compete with triple a games, looking for their mario iteration, their zelda iteration, their ac iteration or dark souls iteration... it's rare that an indie game design is adopted by a triple A studio, but sure, indie games define the game industry hahahahahha I'm not hating, I'm just in awe because of your perception of reality :D like how did you come up with your that perception? :D
@@realtayo42 I played shooters going all the way back to Wolfenstein and Doom, I played Quake when it dropped. I have not played dedicated shooters since yet one game I know finds that inexplicable. Definitely a KBP.H
AAA used to experiment now its formulas. Indies use what their favourite games were and expand on them like Metroidvanias or Stardew from Harvest Moon or arcade racing hits of the past or Zelda or whatever else. But customers need to think what do they actually want their favourite IPs to have interesting directions/continued directions of certain features, themes and more or do we want all games to have their own direction, some safe, some not. So are western AAs or Japanese companies that are pushing ideas then well yes western AAA being comfortable or trend focused. Japanese games get ignored but I mean why do people even big heads in the west say Japan innovates yet barely anyone cares. Any Indies do innovate don't get me wrong. Does anyone care about Coded Arms Konami's PSP roguelike. Nope. Why would most fans they have the big IPs they cared about. Regardless of being on handheld they still got their favourite IP on the handheld. So when Coded Arms Assault for PS3 came around I assume Konami gave up on it as they went oh these other shooters will overtake it why bother if most aren't going to care about it anyway or the expense compared to the PSP entries is too high. People claim they want creativity but even in sixth gen with experiementation or even fifth gen you have certain ones people claim are the worst on a console but haven't even played them, believe a UA-camr that played the first few levels and that's that then well a person that did play through it. Says what sucks and is good about it then hating on it as 100% of their messaging anyway. So if most people don't care about the ones that got ignored that's why we have what we have today is the safe games or safe direction for their favourite games to keep players happy or follow a trend to play it safe instead to stay alive. Some do when they do look back at competitors back in the day for certain genres but most think of the ones they experienced and that's it. They may or may not pick out certain details, have nostalgia or whatever but I mean if I wanted a Battlefield 2 Modern Combat swap feature, Sega GT or others car builder do I think many people would care no not really. Marketing/Sales say otherwise. While the success of ZombiU (besides Wii U then ported to PS4/Xbox One or Red Steel 1&2 for Wii and they won't port it to VR) should not have determined Rayman Legends they are completely different audiences but companies want their profits for all games even if it makes no sense. Sigh. XD But customers want their favourite IPs to continue a certain way and companies work around that. Did people play Starlink Battle For Atlas even. I could mention other NEW IPs Ubisoft made hmmm. Just because customers seem to forget or ignored them. I mean yes it's toys to life and yes and open world but I mean still. It's a new IP isn't it. No assassin's Creed or Tom Clancy. And we have Prince of Persia returning are people going to support that old IP maybe yes maybe not. Skull and Bones too? Did you buy Valiant Hearts or Child of Light, no so why would Ubisoft bother. Did you any other Indie like attempts at big AAA publishers the EA Originals, The Song of the Deep, Pentiment, Puppeteer or other Sony Japan Studio games the niches in Sony games that no one plays but a niche audience in the west, among others Nintendo does as well that aren't Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, if people were playing Mario Kart where were they for F Zero huh, you get the point. Many offerings people didn't play or buy so why complain. Japan Studio wasn't going to make JRPGs and be straightforward stereotypical, they made art and game mechanic different games, the creativity many are looking for then just another action adventure game or shooter (that and well Sony's variety wasn't doing it for them clearly, I liked the Western Sony studio variety and their Japanese games but nope they had to change direction to survive, it annoys me but I mean it makes sense why). People focus on the big US/EU Sony studios IPs so why else wouldn't they kill off that umbrella of studios and leave Polyphony and Asobi with Asobi and Media Molecule and Pixel Opus being the last of their creative not cinematic teams. Having no interest is understandable but if they do try with your favourite IP to have a spin-off to try and get other customers interested, focus on other characters, other gameplay is that a bad thing no. Companies try but people focused on the big so why complain when they did offer them people just didn't care. It's why gamers are hilarious as well as companies. Think harder not use only big examples to make generalised complaints if you didn't even play their lesser known games in the first place.when they were being creative. So if you went, what's a Vib Ribbon when Shaun Layden said so (besides it being a EU/JP and not in the US until digital later in the US so oops on their part there) then that's your answer. Besides the availability thing. XD The problem is new IPs are hard to market and succeed is the issue. Sequels keep the company afloat then a new IP when they can make it/have an idea. Extraction is a great example they had an idea weren't sure how to handle it put it into an existing IP it wasn't what fans wanted. Now 1 because it's aliens and not grounded in reality like a Tom Clancy game of those types can be and 2 they put an idea on a big IP because a new name wouldn't sell well it's too risky. I want there to be new IPs when doing new ideas but they can't always do that. COD I mean the subtitles say themselves. Sci-fi people hated it, Ghosts hated it, they did WW2, modern and Black Ops I get why if they are stuck in a corner. The mechanics are what they are in each of those games. Why multiplayer. Why singleplayer. We can blame casuals it doesn't change anything if they make the call not gamers were the minority audience unless in the UA-camr/Streamer as a voice space either that do give feedback and do get heard their the exception besides QA testers and executives or directors and so on leaders of their respective teams. Big yes but still not compared to the average person scale. That's what gamers forget and get too into the hobby to take a step back as to why we have an industry the way it is. Thing is they pushed for more profits in the PS3/360 era and got themselves in this mess. So they keep pushing. Executives sure but otherwise they make sequels to that era of games and so they expand or re-using aspects from those eras so to me they feel like seventh gen again and again. The sequel point is a bit misleading. Division is a 2 but on top of being in the big Tom Clancy universe so in a way Division is a new direction but still part of the universe besides the Ghost Recon, Splinter Cell and others with their own direction I get what you mean but eh Last of Us I mean 2 games in a decade because it takes that long and I mean I don't like cinematic games but I mean a weird point to make when it's the direction of most Sony games, some exceptions but mostly cinematic linear like Last of Us and God of War's structure change, and the open worlds of Days Gone, Horizon and Ghost of Tsushima (sure Sucker Punch have made open worlds since Sly 2) Bend never made one so it took them Uncharted Golden Abyss to 2019 to make Days Gone. Besides Guerrilla with Killzone to Horizon. They learned/attempted structures they hadn't besides Sucker Punch 3 gens doing that. They had to catch up. Which seeing Bayonetta 3 catch up to Devil May Cry 5 with an awkward mechanic annoyed me so I sometimes hate when that happens. The others I mean COD has tried changing over the years with different things with little details. Whether setting, dogs or other little details I can't name all of, sci-fi exo-suits/wall running and jumping that Titanfall 2 did well with good level design in 2 specific levels and moved on to the next. I don't care for the series but I still won't deny you notice them by people that do play them and make good points that they do differ per game just a bit in some areas. FIFA/Madden I mean yeah it's in systems to make money then better systems. People complain about the open world racing games having comfort with Forza Horizon 4&5 as the others try but don't land as much in execution. Hades 2 getting mentioned at all? Some Indies move on as that's all the ideas they have. Shovel Knight has many entries now. Also you cover AAA or triple i Indies too. Nothing against AAA Indies they are great but I mean they are what's heard about the most. Their ideas are good but still. They are the ones making an impact for sure. Seeing PSP puzzle games all games from Japanese and western studios were completely different and it's amazing they had really cool ideas there. But then again times were different. That and gamers either are open to or sick and tired of being beta testers, maybe not Indies. AAA have teams they outsourced for that. Indies need gamers to get interested and they put a spin on things and stand out because that's what products should do stand out with interesting ideas. Besides that we seek them out and casuals won't so they have to appeal somehow to a certain audience than everyone as it's too broad and they are big enough. AAA veteran Indies make games that are like the IPs they used to work on or something different. Judas/Atomic Heart, Yooka Laylee, Mighty No9, Bloodstained, and many more. AAA tries with technologies but they also just follow a trend for so long that you either like it or get bored with it so quickly you want it over with, some spins on existing mechanics, cinematic whatever appeal only does so much or the competition get too comfortable too and move on to other genres, other Devs or well the Indies/AAs.
This comment had more thoughtful effort put into it than many full AAA games lol. All I can say is that there are many, many great indie games that most people never hear of, and many more bad indie games. I'll never be able to play every AAA game or every indie game. All I can do it try to point people toward the idea that there are fun games out there that try new things and don't cost a whole lot to play. Have fun gaming!
Indie games developers obssessed with the ricoh 2a03 of the nintendo nes. I'm sick of indie games, the same thing with "8bit" graphics and music. I'm done with it
I didn't watch a single second of this video but I saw TLOU2 in the no no section so I have decided to humbly agree with your opinion of which I haven't even heard. Oh heck I accidentally said agree what have I done.
I always have a dream of creating a castle crasher like game with good graphics and good story and lore, owning a small but great indie game company and me being like a father to his men. But my anxiety is telling me otherwise, i didnt have any coding experience, i suck at art or anything, feared of getting a copyright strike,heavy criticism or how my game sell. Forgive me for being greedy or selfish but i don't want my game to be "The best game of all time" or "Best side scrolling beat em up" but i want decent ratings like 7 or even 8, getting 2 or 3 nominees and that's it. Though i have a long road ahead because i'm just a junior at high school. Wish me luck
Hey, if you work hard, study like crazy, and network with other people that have the same interest, it's not an impossible task. Best of luck to you, I hope to see your game one day
@@realtayo42 The indie game studio that i will have in the future after high school will be named AQ Studios because i thought it will be cool and catchy and also use the first letter of my first and last name just to put them together, which is AQ
@@alexquinn6667 This is coming from someone who is finally starting to work on indie games himself, don't beat yourself up or compare your work to someone else's. It took me awhile to learn that lesson with making my own music, but after awhile, I learned that lesson. And I 100% agree with you in saying that I don't desire to be famous within the indie game scene. I want folks to play my games and enjoy them, but that's the best part. Unlike the triple A game industry, you don't need your games to sell a million units or more to be considered a "success". This video, right here is from someone who has been making indie games for years and this video was the one to help push me into doing it: ua-cam.com/video/flsPNcVH2D0/v-deo.html Making games is a lot of work and indies are no exception, but no one says that you have to do everything all at once or even by yourself.
@Edge Valmond All I'm going to say about it is that it's a story driven game inspired by the Undertale series. As of making this comment, I'm still early in the prototyping phase, as well as trying to understand everything with the game engine that I'm using. Once I'm done with that, I'll be working on the game's demo. I already have a lot of the music done, but I don't want to upload any of it until the demo is ready.
@@realtayo42 Yea! They were complete on release, had no Microtransactions or battlepasses. Not to mention they had extra DLC with Ghost having Iki island, and Witcher 3 having Hearts Of Stone and Blood And Wine. Honestly Sony is my go-to example when talking about good AAA games.
@@realtayo42 Yea Blood And Wine felt like its own Seperate game. And Sony has been going so strong these past few years. Releasing games like Sackboy, Horizon 2, God Of War Ragnarok, and so many others.
A+++! ☀️ I'm not sure that many have explained it better! The -AAA- FFF fat cats have gotten so comfortable with doing the same thing repeatedly, that when they fail, they don't give a fuck, so long as they cash the check! They are convinced that they can afford to fail, and leave that failure--even an abject failure--spinning in the wind and move on. When a AA or indie company fails, they will, at the very least, read the feedback and figure out--or take advice on--what needs fixing. It is not just the sequels that are the problem; we've got sequels where the creativity of their predecessors has been maintained, with almost no revamp, even if the graphics are slightly more advanced. It's like the original Enterprise with a fresh coat of paint, even with a different (gray) shade... ...Now, going from _DOOM 3_ to _DOOM (2016)_ was like the complete renovation of the original Enterprise, inside and out, to the 1979 ship. Advanced graphics engine, new demon designs and new storyline. A sequel, but _maybe_ not a sequel. A reboot, perhaps? But the creativity within the story was more convincing. 😎
Indie games are trash, 90% of the indie games are just roguelikes / roguelites and minecraft clones. Like the only good indie games are like castle crashers, signalis, fuga melodies of steel 1 and 2, legend of grimrock 1 and 2, kenshi, shantae, blood stained ritual of the night and hell point.
By that logic, all games are trash because only the upper echelon of all games produced are actually "good". And just because you don't enjoy a genre, doesn't mean other people don't. Hell let loose, battlebit remastered, ccuphead, Dave the diver, disco elysium, spiritfarer, sea of stars, hotline miami, sifu, deep rock galactic, firewatch, etc, are all great games that many people enjoy.
Hell let loose and battle bit are shitty pvp games, cuphead is trash, dave the diver and sea of stars are pixel shit nostalgia bait, disco elysium claims to be an RPG but has no combat, hotline miami is a shitty isometric pixel trash, sifu is a shitty roguelike and fire watch is a shitty walking sim. The only good indie game you listed was Deep Rock Galatic.@@realtayo42
Bruh indie shills like to claim AAA just make the same thing but turn a blind eye to all the same old 8 bit shit, roguelikes and minecraft clones indie devs constantly shit out over and over again. My point is indie devs are just as bad as the AAA devs. @@realtayo42
They are EVERYWHERE! Binding of Isaac and BOI rebirth, death skid marks, risk of rain 1 and 2, hades 1 and 2, nuclear throne, Rogue's legacy 1 and 2, Darkest Dungeons 1 and 2, Vampire survivors and all of it's infinite survivor clones, loop hero, Loot river, slay the spire, roguelike modes for games like warframe and bloodstained ritual of the night, cult of the lamb, that blazblue roguelike, streets of rogue, thats just a small list off the bat but there are way too many roguelikes and minecraft clones. @@thegoose3836
Elden Ring, Dark Souls 3, Bloodborne, Sekiro, Armored Core 6, BOTW, TOTK, Mario Odyssey, Spider-Man PS4, Spider-Man Miles Morales and that is 10, and no, I didn’t look it up
Eastasia Soft makes good new shooter games. Hyper5 was $9.99 NEW. It has new Unity and looks great for a new arcade shooter. I like how indi games are more polished. I bought 10 shooter games from $2-$12 each for about $40 all. I like a variety. I don't have time to download 100Gb games anymore, and don't want to waste hundreds of hours on one game like Fallout 4 which took me 9 months to platinum. I like arcade games like Cuphead because they load fast and I can play one level for 20 minutes and turn it off. I don't want to spend a hour on a mission like Red Dead Redemption 2 and then respawned on the other side of the map. I also hate pixel art in indi games. Pixel art is for CRT TVs. Games should be made for modern TVs and never released in 480p or 720p with letterbox art. I like how I can buy a indi game on release and get the whole game with no updates or DLC. Technically they finish making a triple A game after they stop making DLC, and the day one edition is a beta copy of the games.
I think there is a lot to say about games that are simple in design or those that mimic the arcade/retro style. They remember first and foremost that they're just games meant to make people smile and enjoy themselves. I love that simple hop in, play a few minutes, hop out style of game because it actually helps me play more. Thanks for pointing these games out to me!
Undertale was made by Toby Fox, but he didn't do everything though. Temmie Chang helped out with the art and character designs. He also got help by a few other folks, as well.
I think it's disingenuous to say only AAA companies put out the same products over and over again when there are ton of indie Metrovania, rogue likes and Dark Souls clones out there. Just saying.
AA games are also a bit in the middle between AAA, and indie. They are small/medium sized studios, but they often include game dev vets, and experienced devs that craft fun, quality games. Not greedy or political like AAA, but not entirely brand new like Indies. There are examples like, THQ Nordic, and Focus Entertainment. There is a subtle, or vast difference between AAA, AA, and Indie. But, I feel it's more something you need to play to better understand.
Playing Crosscode and am at the dlc part of the indie game. Gotta say i am enjoying the game even though it has some of the hardest puzzles i ever seen.
@@greenbrickbox3392 It really is. I took a leap of faith it purchasing it, as it didn’t seem like something I’d usually play. Glad I listened to the reviews. Easily in my top ten all time indie titles.
6th generation of games were so fun and before that as well. Ps2 era had so many random $20 games of every genre and some were hits some were miss... that was the last gen of AA games. When we hit the 360 era all those midbudget games dried up and thats when i lost interest in console wars. Now indie filled that role of A and AA games, the studios feel like you need to go all in on hundred million dollar games with monetization to make real money. With any luck AAA will crash and stabilize and come out better... we are at the point where games run like shit on console and are requiring insane specs on pc.
In short, AAA game companies (compared to indie games) are like Hollywood (compared to indie shows): rather have instant successes than be creative with the risk of no success
@@realtayo42 Yeah, but A: There are other popular Indie games B: It can (and does) imply that Hollow Knight is the only relevant and important one, and that there is not much else to bother with.
@@vladi3862 I get that, but when I made this comment, I was thinking "if I'm seeing the same few Indie games recycled, wouldn't that give an impression that the rest are like Triple A games: lower quality?"
I'll counter the sequel argument with these: *Megaman 2 *Megaman X2 *Phantasy Star 2 *Super Mario 2 *Xenoblade Chronicles 2 *Splatoon 2 *Shining Force II *Castlevania II Sequel doesn't always equal "bad" or "lazy".
I stopped playing Pokemon Violet after how disappointing it is to have franerate issue just by riding on Miraidon. The update patches doesn't even improved the fps. I eventually gave up in favor of Nexomon Extinction and Monster Sanctuary. Those monster taming games are much more enjoyable than the new Pokemon titles.
I want to make a open world rpg that looks like AAA but has the creativity of Indy I also want it to be similar to Skyrim or souls games I have money but lack experience whatever it would take to make this vision of mine come alive is what I’m willing to spend
Minecraft was an indie, and a revolutionary game for the survival crafting genre. Stardew Valley revolutionized the way people viewed and played farming sims. Undertale was just fucking fantastic, and gets so much praise in the indie gaming space. AAA games dont like to innovate. They dont like to make genre defining stuff. They want money. and they'll get it by selling the same games over and over, or remaking them.
I'd way rather play Insurgency Sandstorm or Hell Let Loose over modern CoD or Battlefield. We get some great AAAs still (EX: RE4 & Dead Space) but overall indies have my attention more
Indie games arent even trying to compete with AAA gaming. The AAA industry is just in that bad of a state. Like holy shit the turns tabled hard. Whereas when AAA gaming was good, you rarely heard of a successful indie game, or they were all rpgmaker games. Indies have branched out far enout to were AAA gaming SHOULD be taking hints. Indie games are just better. Just recently a jaw dropping Indie dropped on steam, Shadows of Doubt. A voxel based detective game that is procedurally generated, wholly open world, with dynamic crimes happening throughout the city, and its only in Early Access. Like, fuck. A triple A studio COULD do that. But they actively choose to produce filth instead. and Most of Shadows of Doubt was made by one person. Most of the best games are indies, and alot of them were made by a single person team. If ONE PERSON can make a better game than a fully staffed, big budget AAA studio, there's a problem.
Honestly it's amazing to me to see these tiny studios create game experiences that would NEVER be made by a AAA studio. Indie devs take so many risks and make so many interesting fun games (I'm still addicted to Vampire Survivors). AAA games have all the resources at their disposal and they absolutely waste them.
Nintendo is japanese, so naturally they care a lot more about their projects. Some times they fuck up but they also often make amazing creative games. Man I love Persona and Zelda.
you're talking like as if only triple AAA game developers milking their franchises, gaming for game devs no matter it's triple A or indie is all about searching for the most perfect cow to milk, let's take supergiant games as an example, they are well known as game devs that never do any sequels of their games but what happened when they found the perfect cow? that's right!! they are working on the sequel, get ready yourself for hades 3, hades 4.... hades 55th :/ good bye new and unique games from them... another one: team cherry working on hollow knight silksong instead of something completely different and unique game right? right!, blasphemous 2 is also in development why? coz they are very good breed of cows that can be milked for years without any risk... don't get me wrong I love those games but.. it is what it is ... I mean I have been waiting for darksiders 4 for years that is gonna be 5th ds game but I don't care I just want it so bad...
actually the main problem is "decreased creativity" the problem for AAA games is that they don't dare to leave their comfort zone. and the problem of indie games is the lack of experience. so there are still many shortcomings. but the most important thing is the fun that don't lose
Yeah, they both have shortcomings. For AAA games the reason they don't leave their comfort zone is because there's a guaranteed level of success if they follow the formula.
Other than learning the mobile ecosystem a decade ago to barely support handhelds and push live services/trend following so much I don't know the last risk they took because they are so formulaic these past few years.
You get some ok ideas to spin on the trends with those technologies you benefit from in AAA range but not enough.
@@realtayo42id argue its because they have to appease the shareholders a lot of companies want to expand but it's all the shareholders and publishers who don't actually make video games that don't want to loose the bottom dollar so they make them make the same thing over and over
The same could be said about indie trash all i see indie devs make are just the same roguelikes / roguelites and minecraft clones.
Unlike indie games, which 99% of the time try to be one the following: rouglite, bullet hell, Stardew Valley clone, souls clone, survival game. So original, that surely showed the trashy AAA industry how it's done
We live in an era where an Italian chef trying to stop a floating pizza from destroying his business is more loved than a couple of scientists and war veterans saving a town from vampires made by a millionaire company.
I mean the first one sounds more interesting than what sounds like Left 4 Dead vampire edition
Haha yes!.
Turns out allowing creativity and risk in any market results in a lot of failures but higher highs than any other method.
Who knew.
and somehow the big companies forgot that's how they got to where they are now...
@@realtayo42 I rather a company try a new idea and fail rather than play it safe
I wouldn't say higher highs since they won't like make more than GTA or something
@@lightdarksoul2097 No offense to GTA, but how much of a scrub do you have to be to think that THAT is peak gaming.
i think the biggest issue with AAA games is that theyve been around too long, you know what i mean? back when gaming was relatively new and indie games were incredibly rare, all the AAA companies had to innovate and come up with new ideas to try and stand out. as indie games became more common, AAA games tended to turn into super generic games, practically rereleases of the previous game, just with new maps or a new ui, and it was up to the indies to innovate, give ideas for the AAA to take if they see it as interesting or good. people will buy the most abusive microtransactions, and all most of the big companies want is money. indie devs tend to want to make an experience either catered to a specific niche, or just generally good, while AAA companies just go for the safest stuff, whatever sells
You have your head on straight, I'm with you on all this.
Back then they were AA games not AAA
The fnaf games creator Scott Cawthon said in an interview that he didn’t really make the games for money, though he only created them for people to have fun, hence why it’s only 4 dollars. I think I got point.
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Agreed. Full AAA games were rare, and even then they were almost always 1st party games for whatever console they were released on.
One thing that still baffles me today is, most can't differentiate ugly graphic and art styles.
Also you can pursue as realistic as graphic can get, but there are no creativity in it. It's a game, not a live drama.
If you really l, really long for the most realistic graphic, get out and touch the grass.
I mean like do it literally.
Lol I'm literally making my next video on the topic of companies chasing after graphics. You're spot on.
I'm not a hippy-dippy artsy indie guy, but gotta say Hades, hollow knight and outer wilds are just fuckin amazing.
They're really just in their own league
I used to play mostly indie games back when I only had a laptop with dual core CPU and Intel HD GPU for gaming. I had my best memories in gaming back then, playing stuff like Sundered, Death's Gambit, Guacamelee or Stanley Parable.
Then I got a high end gaming PC and decided to play a lot of AAA titles to make the most of my rig capability. I ended up mostly playing Fallout 4 with mods, and it was more finding and trying cool mods with it than playing the game itself. I only finished like 4 AAA titles as I'm speaking, mostly the newest titles.
Then my PSU went bad so I had to replace it but I was really broke and needed to save for two months before I could get a new one. I played indie games on my laptop again in the meantime and...boy, did I had fun playing games again! I spent like 6 to 7 hours on a sunday just playing Dead Cells and yet, I couldn't keep myself playing stuff like Horizon Zero Dawn, Elden Ring, Spiderman Remastered or Assassin's Creed Valhalla for three hours straight. There's just something about indie games that you can't get on many AAA games nowadays.
I'm with you there. I don't even feel the need to upgrade my pc/go for the latest games because they don't interest me much anymore. I've been playing a lot of retro games and indie stuff and I'm having a blast
@@realtayo42 That is so true. I've seen so many people complaining about future AAA titles now requiring more than 8gb of VRAM to run at 70 fps for 1080p, especially after the release of The Last of Us part 1 on PC. Meanwhile 9 Years of Shadow, a gorgeous 2D pixelart metroidvania have been released in the same month and it runs great even with just 2gb of VRAM so the 12 gb on my GPU is overkill.
try some indie games like factorio, rimworld, FTL, streets of rogue, and the like as they don't require much horsepower either.
Gamers want games that are fun and not broken on release. Sure, the big names still sell, but few go on to become classics anymore.
Exactly. I don't care about crazy graphics or great animations if a game is just fun. Vampire survivors is a great example of a game just being pure fun.
I'm so happy Valheim is getting some recognition! It so deserves it! Great video!
Thanks! Yeah Valheim is such a fantastic survival game, especially for only $20.
Free on Xbox btw!
Bruh it's just the same minecraft clones every other indie dev is making but with a viking coat of paint.
@@zachshockplay it first bozo
I did like 2021 and this year I still hate the game. @@Shubham-hk6yf
ten aaa games that I've played and would say were complete and polished at release (obviously though this is based on my experience, so it is possible I lucked out on bugs and stuff): ghost of tsushima, the last of us 2, re4 remake, dead space remake, god of war ragnarok, sekiro, resident evil village, rachet and clank: rift apart, metroid dread, and doom eternal.
I don't know that this proves or means anything, but I could do it.
I'm definitely being hyperbolic about "all AAA games being bad". Those are 10 very solid AAA games that were nearly perfect at launch and delivered on the promises they made to consumers.
What's sad is that those appear to be the exception rather than the rule. This could of course be distorted by the fact that outrage is more newsworthy than satisfaction. Over the last few months, we've had a slew of bad game launches (LOU Part 1 on pc, Jedi Survivor, Redfall, Forspoken, etc.) that seem to take up a majority of the discussion about AAA games.
I don't know if it proves a point but being able to look at that list you made of list of solid, fairly recent games definitely helps me to step back from the doom (ha) and gloom of things and remember it isn't all bad.
Also, I'm humbled you watched my video. Along with NakeyJakey, you're one of the two channels that inspired me to make videos. Cheers, and I look forward to your next one!
Never has someone talked about indie games without mentioning Hollow Knight, and it’s pretty clear why
It would be hard not to
Hollow knight is my favorite game of all, and im just so glad so many others think like that too.
I feel like there is something to be said here, there is another theme to bad AAA games... and it's not the numbers. It's more so the live services that take a toll on them. For example, let's take two Nintendo games, Kirby's Return to Dreamland and the Sinnoh remakes. Those two are simular in that they are remakes/remasters of previous games, but one is significantly better, Kirby. Kirby has plenty of new content like Magalor Epilogue and new copy abilities, while the Sinnoh remakes has... more bugs that aren't Pokémon. The difference is that one is meant to be played online while the other, while it has online features, can be played by yourself just fine. I'm just saying, maybe single player games can work more money than live services/ open worlds (Lookin' at you Forespoken, take some lessons from a literal *BEAT*down)
I'm all with you there. And I've actually made videos on all these topics as well haha. I'm frustrated with the live service model, and the digital age games in general because of the "release now, fix later" mindset.
There's this Canadian gaming company called Klei Entertainment. Not only do they create successful games at reasonable budgets while doing new formulas of gaming, but even treat their employees with respect and fairness. I played their game Mark of the Ninja and it's remastered version, and I had fun playing such a swell game.
Very cool! I've never heard of them but it's always great to see smaller companies making great games without mistreating their employees.
@@realtayo42Late, but they made Dont Starve
Oxygen not included is also amazing.
The only problem with indie games is most of them are very short so the purchase is not justified for many people. The price to content ratio is too high.
However those indies that are longer or have lots of replay value like Stardew Valley, Terraria, Don't Starve, CrossCode, etc are definitely worth the price.
Usually however, indies are not priced anywhere near the 60-70 range. Many are 40 or less, with a number of them being closer to the $20 mark. And yeah replayability helps massively.
@@realtayo42 Yeah, I know they are not $60 but the ratio of price to content is still very high.
For instance What Remains Of Edith Finch is usually around $24 and it has less than 3 hours of gameplay. Stray is also around this price and is around 6 hours in length, I am sure you get the point. This is a hard pill to swallow for most people regardless of the quality of the game.
But a game like Stardew Valley has easily over 50 hours of gameplay for the main campaign alone and could be plated forever honestly so more people are likely to buy that game even if it were $40.
I think part of the problem with AAA game companies is also 1) They've stubbornly stuck to the same price point for far too long, and tried to stuff other horrendous monitization into games that undermine gameplay to make up for it as inflation eats away at the dollar. 2) They spend WAY too much money on games, trying to give everything super complicated graphics, movie quality sound, etc., when great graphics/etc. aren't needed for a great game, just great gameplay.
I think the company that stands out id Nintendo. They aren't afraid to make delays to games to make them perfect. Legend of Zelda and Mario are the franchises that have no bad game in their series. Sure they'll destroy anyone who tries to make fan stuff, but they still make fabulous games
one thing i can give AAA games is that the good ones are just easier to find
you rarely ever miss a really good triple A game
but theres so many awesome indies that dont really get to see as much popularity as they deserve because they just lack the money for marketing
like crosscode for example
yeah it did pretty well but not nearly as well as it shouldve done for its quality
They spend a ton of money marketing regardless of whether or not the game is actually good. As a result, we hear about every AAA game, which means the good ones are praised to high heaven, and the bad ones get destroyed by everyone.
The reason we like to make so many games talking about indies is that to be honest, videos on UA-cam and Twitch streamers can bring a lot of awareness to these games. I'll continue to cover them and point them out because mainstream gamers probably have no idea awesome games like these exist.
Thanks for including Outer Wilds here, such an incredible game that could only ever have been made by an indie studio. This is a great video, I’m genuinely surprised it doesn’t have more views.
Hey I'm glad you enjoyed the video! And yeah I felt that making a video about the strengths of indie games and not including Outer Wilds would be a criminal act haha, it's a game that every single gamer should experience at some point.
I believe insomniac games are the people who can bring in hope for AAA developers to see how they should work and deliver games within a fun and consistent rate.
When Spider-Man 2 releases?
Ya'll finna see insomniac do some good within the industry this generation.
*I have faith in that...*
They are certainly on a roll right now
You know, I think what surprises Mr is that a lot of these indie companies did not want to actually kill of the AAA market, and instead just wanted to make an actual good game.
Exactly. They focused on the one thing that actually matters
The only thing killing the AAA industry is the AAA industry. Indie games probably wouldnt be as popular as they are if AAA gaming didnt take a gigantic nosedive in quality. Graphics keep on getting better and better, but so do the bugs and glitches, along with poor quality due to most of the budget going to the better graphics.
I think Starfield vs No Man's Sky is a perfect example of this dichotomy. Rovers, more handcrafted content, seamless transition between space & planetside...I'd be willing to bet these are all things that many people on Bathesda's creative teams really wanted to do, but somebody higher up the ladder did a cost-benefit analysis and decided those things weren't worth the money (for now).
Also, compare how each developer responded to their game not being well received initially. Hello Games didn't blame the "haters" and dig in their heels trying to retain their most loyal fanbase, they acknowledged the criticisms and bent over backwards to try to fix them...and today, NMS has become one of the most respected space games out there. Starfield on the other hand...I feel like even if Bathesda is serious about wanting to ride this horse for another several years, it'll be too late because most people will have moved on.
The main problem with AAA games is complicated but the big parts the people can point to the most is a few topics;
1)The Fix it later mentality. Just Because you CAN fix it later does not mean you Should
2)The MVP Goals. This kinda goes with Fix it Later. MVP standing for Minimal Viable Product. Games Release Incomplete. With most of their content about a year out. Gamers start to question why bother purchasing the game now when the complete version is a year from now.
3)Lack of Variety and Creativity. Companies forget that RISK is needed to grow a market. If you are unwilling to take RISKS in your entertainment then your not going to grow.
You've summed up basically everything have to say on the matter.
Oh god, that ending music. Someone, please erase The Outer Wilds from my brain.... so I can go enjoy it again!!
i've never heard from anyone who's also played the game who hasn't said the same thing haha
Indie games get too much credit. Most indie games that ive played have been repetitive and boring, or frustrating. Smile for me was repetitive and lost its charm, undertale was frustrating not just because the fandom, but also because only 2 playstyles even matter, genocide and pacifist. Celeste is frustrating because it is a trial and error platformer. Bendy and the ink macine was boring for the most part. Fnaf was repetitive, boring, and frustrating because of the gameplay. And the problem isnt just the game design, its also the "indie games are absolutely killing AAA games" argument. They exaggerate it to an insane degree
Finalmente alguém diz isso, os jogos indies em sua maioria não merecem tanto crédito
skill issue
@@vladi3862 what of it? I want to play a game i enjoy when i get off work. I dont want to waste time looking for an indie game, and end up not liking it because the game.
@@shadowgames6164 then don't complain about difficulty when you're not ready to learn how to play a game, you probably heard that celeste is a difficult precision platformer and still you decided to give it a chance, knowing you're gonna end up hating it because you suck at games
@@vladi3862 nope, just heard celeste was a platformer with great music.
Its a shame Grounded is so forgotten, its so incredibly good
True, I don't often hear about Grounded
So the indie industry is better than the AAA industry because the best indie games is better than the worst AAA games? What a way of thinking
I recommend Celeste if you like tough platformers!
It’s has a really sweet story with memorable characters and diverse chapters! And once you get the grove of the gameplay it becomes very fun!
I really liked the video! But I think it’s pretty important to realize that not all indie games are as well known as the ones you covered are.
There’s a game on Steam I know for sure you’ve never heard of, called “Wrongworld” it was primarily made by just one guy, with the help of a couple of people and the ideas of fans that would be put in updates later. Unfortunately, due to a lack of money, (and almost going bankrupt!) all updates had stopped in early 2020. The game literally has less than 400 reviews, and NEVER got any console ports because of this. If you could cover this game in a video, it would truly make my day :D
Thank you! Yeah there are a ton of indie games that never get the love they deserve. My goal was just to point people toward indie games in general so they might have the chance of discovering those unknown games.
Not sure if I'll ever cover Wrongworld, but never say never haha.
Humans don't downsize by choice
If you are used to making $1,000,000 a year, you adapt your life around it
So when offered $100,000 a year to try something risky, you can't fathom changing your whole life to fit a lower standard..
Unless you aren't given that choice because people stop buying.
Then, because you're getting less than that $100,000 you choose the riskier (creative) option
That's a different way of looking at it. Psychology absolutely plays into why things have become the way they are.
Every time I hear the "Outer Wilds" tune I get that feeling... People who played can understand it.
I like games as an experiences. How the story can be delivered, like in mentioned "Outer Wilds", or the immersion as a player in "Before Your Eyes". Or when the challenges, provided by the game world, and events, that happens regardless of player's participation, makes it alive, like in "Rain World". And that's why I love when Indie developers try to expand the boundaries of games mechanics and expectations and make something extraordinary that will make an unique experience that can be something more than just having fun or being immersed. That moment is when the game, as form of media and storytelling, meets art. (IMHO)
This is why i wanted to make games myself because microtransaction predatory monetization for nothing
I hope you get the chance to do so!
Outer Wilds at the end made me tear up ngl. Superb video! :D
- Supergiant Games (Hades)
- Sabotage Studio (The Messenger)
- Team Cherry (Hollow Knight)
- Game Kitchen (Blasphemous)
- Joymasher (Blazing Chrome)
- Motion Twin (Dead Cells)
- Yacht Club (Shovel Knight)
- Way Forward (Shantae)
They are the best Indie games Developers
You have some great callouts here. I haven't played some of these, may have to check them out in the future!
All I need is fromsoft ARMORED CORE BABY!
Also by all means Nintendo outshines them all.
Dont forget Re-Logic
@@thefatbob3710I mean they murder anybody who even mentions the name Mario
Not every AAA game can be considered a "bad" one. Yes, AAA companies do frequently focus on the business end of things, but AAA titles like Red Dead 2, Spider-Man, and Eldanring are all fantastic examples of great games. and it seems to me that you failed to acknowledge them. Despite concentrating on three aspects, you made your video to make fun of AAA games. "The Last of Us 2" was mentioned by you. While other games have sequels as a short cash grab, The Last of Us 2 was an incredible and fantastic way to wrap off the plot. That game wasn't meant to be a short cash grab; rather, it was meant to be a sequel that would expand on the world and story of the characters. I enjoy inde games; don't get me wrong; I've played Cuphead four times or so. My point is that AAA games aren't always terrible.
Dont forget Rockstar & the studio behind Skyrim they are also creatively bankrupt I mean Skyrim & GTA5 have both been remade multiple times cause those studios cant think of something new to make
While Bethesda has made several games since Skyrim (Starfield just came out), it just feels so gross for them to continuously repackage the same game and sell it for full price again and again. And rockstar...yeah. They barely make games anymore because their cash cow is doing well enough on its own that they don't feel a need to.
There’s a few games that come out that are a genuine EXPERIENCE and have the level of impact of a life changing movie. Things like the long dark do this through environment and immersion. Other games like tell me why do it by capturing a very specific feeling like nostalgia. Another still is our life beginnings and always. There’s also Gris and Omori. Every single one of these game is an indie title and has genuinely changed me for the better. Some games are fun just like some movies or books are fun but some can be truly life changing. No triple A game has ever made me feel anything close to what these game have done.
You're biased about this topic since you didn't add this info to your video: Hades 2 was announced, Hollow Knight 2 also announced, the other one that's in 50's cartoon style also getting a sequel and possibly a tv show. Indie devs are as greedy as big companies, they just don't have the trust and support of consumers to invest/get a budget to develop full blown triple A games.
Most of indie games don't have microtransactions because they lack the server infrastructure needed to implement the service; but if they had it they would also use it: who wouldn't buy more character models on any of the indie games mentioned before? The art is so cool people would def buy in game items if they could.
I've been gaming since I'm 5 years old back in the 90s, and I still haven't found a single indie game that I like, not a single one I can play as if it was the only game that exists. I'd rather just play old games.
Valhalla has the main story campaign which plays as an unlockable tv show, but it also has several game modes included for free within the game, including a fully fleshed roguelite mode with permadeath and rng hidden behind an npc quest that you have to find the npc and all, like it's not given; I put like 40 hours only on the roguelite mode. I honestly don't get why people hate one of the most successful games ever made that also has so much content and game modes that like why buy any other game ever?
Elden Ring is especially bad considering it's the 6th iteration of demons' souls, to not count king's field games; same 10 year old gameplay, same 10 year old graphics, no new systems or meaningful mechanics, no game modes, same disgusting multiplayer infrastructure with the horrendous lag and phantom range. Dark souls is a bad/poorly developed ninja gaiden clone; fromsoft made an actual ninja gaiden clone at the same time they were working on demons' souls, that obviously failed because ninja gaiden was better. Elden Ring is a bad/poorly develoed Assassins' Creed that lacks all the customization ubisoft gives in their games. The difference between indie games and triple A games is that indie games play how they play, and triple A games allow you to play your way. Elden Ring lacking so many Ui options is not positive when compared to Valhalla that allows you to play completely blind in terms of Ui if you want to, it's not mandatory; Valhalla is the dark souls 2 fromsoft wanted to make. In Elden Ring there are towers where you go and pick up the map of the area and you can even see the tower in the map marked regardless of the fog of war: it's the same as any AC, fromsoft didn't bother coding a platforming system to climb the tower, they just made it a monolith, threw the item in the ground and told you where you could pick it up. How is that better than any AC? I don't get it. Elden Ring was awfully broken on release and it took them several patches to fix the crashing, the visual artifacts... are you living under a rock? The game still crashes often, like any other triple A game. Elden Ring doesn't have microtransactions, but how does that fix the gameplay being the 6th iteration of the same game? Fromsoft didn't even write the game, they sourced the writing to the GOT writer; they sourced sekiro's stealth system to activision. I don't understand the fromsoft praise. The new Armored Core incoming on august is the 7th iteration of demons' souls now with mecchas, even the writing is the same "the fire fades, light the embers", estus flasks, dodges, in a meccha game. I do not understand the fromsoft praise. I heard someone give a review the other day "they release banger after banger" of course, they are the call of duty of action rpgs; it's the same game with different assets, the same story with different wording, the same animations reussed, the same character designs with a bit of variation, cmon be for real people. Stop using elden ring and fromsoft as an example of greatness, it's exactly the opposite; they are destroying all other genres; god of war turned into arpg, ac turned into arpg, nioh should have been ninja gaiden successor but no, another arpg, wolong at least had the balls to remove the stamina bar and add a ton of new mechanics that don't exist in any other game, including improvements to multiplayer infrastructure on arpgs such as the capacity to revive teammates and teammates being able to revive the host.
You're crazy if you think triple A games are failing :D Valhalla sold $1 billion and has over 20 million players; COD is so massive that countries are fighting each other to have control over the IP because of how it will affect their economy; if sony loses COD japan feels the blow hahahahah triple A games failing hahahaha you're living in a bubble; ubisoft has like 6 AC games already in development; EA keeps putting out sport games like it's nothing and people don't care that the assets they bought through microtransactions don't cross over to the new games hahahahahahaha they don't care and consumers don't care haha they just keep buying the new iterations of the same games and they keep buying the same assets through microtransanctions to have them in the new game hahahaha insanity; capcom keeps pushing out the same street fighter game for the past 20 years the same game with extra handicaps to make it more casual and people keep buying it, they sell the same dlc characters on every new game because the assets don't cross over to the new games, tekken 8 is the same thing hahahahahahahahahahahhahaa consumers get scammed and they do not care, they do not care one bit; nintendo keeps pushing out the same mario game, the same zelda game hahahahahaaha indie devs are aiming to compete with triple a games, looking for their mario iteration, their zelda iteration, their ac iteration or dark souls iteration... it's rare that an indie game design is adopted by a triple A studio, but sure, indie games define the game industry hahahahahha
I'm not hating, I'm just in awe because of your perception of reality :D like how did you come up with your that perception? :D
Play disco elysium
I've seen it but I'm not interested in the gameplay 🤷♀@@henryvincent5188
Im in awe that someone can rant this much and still say nothing true
Another thing this could be the case of a term that I might murmur out when I get old it's definitely gonna be "I'm too old for this shit"
They are also typically Killboy-Powerhead-Headshot-Booyah games
There's an audience for it I'm sure. It's just not me.
@@realtayo42 I played shooters going all the way back to Wolfenstein and Doom, I played Quake when it dropped. I have not played dedicated shooters since yet one game I know finds that inexplicable. Definitely a KBP.H
nah, toby fox got some a bit of help with some of the art. It's stardew valley and cavestory are ones that are purely made by only one guy.
AAA used to experiment now its formulas. Indies use what their favourite games were and expand on them like Metroidvanias or Stardew from Harvest Moon or arcade racing hits of the past or Zelda or whatever else. But customers need to think what do they actually want their favourite IPs to have interesting directions/continued directions of certain features, themes and more or do we want all games to have their own direction, some safe, some not.
So are western AAs or Japanese companies that are pushing ideas then well yes western AAA being comfortable or trend focused. Japanese games get ignored but I mean why do people even big heads in the west say Japan innovates yet barely anyone cares. Any Indies do innovate don't get me wrong.
Does anyone care about Coded Arms Konami's PSP roguelike. Nope. Why would most fans they have the big IPs they cared about. Regardless of being on handheld they still got their favourite IP on the handheld. So when Coded Arms Assault for PS3 came around I assume Konami gave up on it as they went oh these other shooters will overtake it why bother if most aren't going to care about it anyway or the expense compared to the PSP entries is too high.
People claim they want creativity but even in sixth gen with experiementation or even fifth gen you have certain ones people claim are the worst on a console but haven't even played them, believe a UA-camr that played the first few levels and that's that then well a person that did play through it. Says what sucks and is good about it then hating on it as 100% of their messaging anyway.
So if most people don't care about the ones that got ignored that's why we have what we have today is the safe games or safe direction for their favourite games to keep players happy or follow a trend to play it safe instead to stay alive.
Some do when they do look back at competitors back in the day for certain genres but most think of the ones they experienced and that's it. They may or may not pick out certain details, have nostalgia or whatever but I mean if I wanted a Battlefield 2 Modern Combat swap feature, Sega GT or others car builder do I think many people would care no not really. Marketing/Sales say otherwise.
While the success of ZombiU (besides Wii U then ported to PS4/Xbox One or Red Steel 1&2 for Wii and they won't port it to VR) should not have determined Rayman Legends they are completely different audiences but companies want their profits for all games even if it makes no sense. Sigh. XD But customers want their favourite IPs to continue a certain way and companies work around that. Did people play Starlink Battle For Atlas even.
I could mention other NEW IPs Ubisoft made hmmm. Just because customers seem to forget or ignored them. I mean yes it's toys to life and yes and open world but I mean still. It's a new IP isn't it. No assassin's Creed or Tom Clancy. And we have Prince of Persia returning are people going to support that old IP maybe yes maybe not. Skull and Bones too?
Did you buy Valiant Hearts or Child of Light, no so why would Ubisoft bother. Did you any other Indie like attempts at big AAA publishers the EA Originals, The Song of the Deep, Pentiment, Puppeteer or other Sony Japan Studio games the niches in Sony games that no one plays but a niche audience in the west, among others Nintendo does as well that aren't Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, if people were playing Mario Kart where were they for F Zero huh, you get the point.
Many offerings people didn't play or buy so why complain. Japan Studio wasn't going to make JRPGs and be straightforward stereotypical, they made art and game mechanic different games, the creativity many are looking for then just another action adventure game or shooter (that and well Sony's variety wasn't doing it for them clearly, I liked the Western Sony studio variety and their Japanese games but nope they had to change direction to survive, it annoys me but I mean it makes sense why).
People focus on the big US/EU Sony studios IPs so why else wouldn't they kill off that umbrella of studios and leave Polyphony and Asobi with Asobi and Media Molecule and Pixel Opus being the last of their creative not cinematic teams.
Having no interest is understandable but if they do try with your favourite IP to have a spin-off to try and get other customers interested, focus on other characters, other gameplay is that a bad thing no.
Companies try but people focused on the big so why complain when they did offer them people just didn't care. It's why gamers are hilarious as well as companies.
Think harder not use only big examples to make generalised complaints if you didn't even play their lesser known games in the first place.when they were being creative.
So if you went, what's a Vib Ribbon when Shaun Layden said so (besides it being a EU/JP and not in the US until digital later in the US so oops on their part there) then that's your answer. Besides the availability thing. XD
The problem is new IPs are hard to market and succeed is the issue. Sequels keep the company afloat then a new IP when they can make it/have an idea. Extraction is a great example they had an idea weren't sure how to handle it put it into an existing IP it wasn't what fans wanted. Now 1 because it's aliens and not grounded in reality like a Tom Clancy game of those types can be and 2 they put an idea on a big IP because a new name wouldn't sell well it's too risky. I want there to be new IPs when doing new ideas but they can't always do that.
COD I mean the subtitles say themselves. Sci-fi people hated it, Ghosts hated it, they did WW2, modern and Black Ops I get why if they are stuck in a corner. The mechanics are what they are in each of those games. Why multiplayer. Why singleplayer.
We can blame casuals it doesn't change anything if they make the call not gamers were the minority audience unless in the UA-camr/Streamer as a voice space either that do give feedback and do get heard their the exception besides QA testers and executives or directors and so on leaders of their respective teams. Big yes but still not compared to the average person scale. That's what gamers forget and get too into the hobby to take a step back as to why we have an industry the way it is.
Thing is they pushed for more profits in the PS3/360 era and got themselves in this mess. So they keep pushing. Executives sure but otherwise they make sequels to that era of games and so they expand or re-using aspects from those eras so to me they feel like seventh gen again and again.
The sequel point is a bit misleading. Division is a 2 but on top of being in the big Tom Clancy universe so in a way Division is a new direction but still part of the universe besides the Ghost Recon, Splinter Cell and others with their own direction I get what you mean but eh
Last of Us I mean 2 games in a decade because it takes that long and I mean I don't like cinematic games but I mean a weird point to make when it's the direction of most Sony games, some exceptions but mostly cinematic linear like Last of Us and God of War's structure change, and the open worlds of Days Gone, Horizon and Ghost of Tsushima (sure Sucker Punch have made open worlds since Sly 2) Bend never made one so it took them Uncharted Golden Abyss to 2019 to make Days Gone. Besides Guerrilla with Killzone to Horizon. They learned/attempted structures they hadn't besides Sucker Punch 3 gens doing that. They had to catch up.
Which seeing Bayonetta 3 catch up to Devil May Cry 5 with an awkward mechanic annoyed me so I sometimes hate when that happens.
The others I mean COD has tried changing over the years with different things with little details. Whether setting, dogs or other little details I can't name all of, sci-fi exo-suits/wall running and jumping that Titanfall 2 did well with good level design in 2 specific levels and moved on to the next. I don't care for the series but I still won't deny you notice them by people that do play them and make good points that they do differ per game just a bit in some areas.
FIFA/Madden I mean yeah it's in systems to make money then better systems.
People complain about the open world racing games having comfort with Forza Horizon 4&5 as the others try but don't land as much in execution.
Hades 2 getting mentioned at all? Some Indies move on as that's all the ideas they have. Shovel Knight has many entries now. Also you cover AAA or triple i Indies too. Nothing against AAA Indies they are great but I mean they are what's heard about the most. Their ideas are good but still. They are the ones making an impact for sure.
Seeing PSP puzzle games all games from Japanese and western studios were completely different and it's amazing they had really cool ideas there. But then again times were different.
That and gamers either are open to or sick and tired of being beta testers, maybe not Indies. AAA have teams they outsourced for that.
Indies need gamers to get interested and they put a spin on things and stand out because that's what products should do stand out with interesting ideas. Besides that we seek them out and casuals won't so they have to appeal somehow to a certain audience than everyone as it's too broad and they are big enough.
AAA veteran Indies make games that are like the IPs they used to work on or something different. Judas/Atomic Heart, Yooka Laylee, Mighty No9, Bloodstained, and many more.
AAA tries with technologies but they also just follow a trend for so long that you either like it or get bored with it so quickly you want it over with, some spins on existing mechanics, cinematic whatever appeal only does so much or the competition get too comfortable too and move on to other genres, other Devs or well the Indies/AAs.
This comment had more thoughtful effort put into it than many full AAA games lol. All I can say is that there are many, many great indie games that most people never hear of, and many more bad indie games. I'll never be able to play every AAA game or every indie game. All I can do it try to point people toward the idea that there are fun games out there that try new things and don't cost a whole lot to play. Have fun gaming!
Indie games developers obssessed with the ricoh 2a03 of the nintendo nes. I'm sick of indie games, the same thing with "8bit" graphics and music. I'm done with it
Not all AAA games are terrible. Do you want me to list some examples?
Yes please! Start from 2020 to this day.
and don't include Santa Moica or Fromsoft, They are the only ones who still care about their games.
I didn't watch a single second of this video but I saw TLOU2 in the no no section so I have decided to humbly agree with your opinion of which I haven't even heard.
Oh heck I accidentally said agree what have I done.
Based
I always have a dream of creating a castle crasher like game with good graphics and good story and lore, owning a small but great indie game company and me being like a father to his men. But my anxiety is telling me otherwise, i didnt have any coding experience, i suck at art or anything, feared of getting a copyright strike,heavy criticism or how my game sell. Forgive me for being greedy or selfish but i don't want my game to be "The best game of all time" or "Best side scrolling beat em up" but i want decent ratings like 7 or even 8, getting 2 or 3 nominees and that's it. Though i have a long road ahead because i'm just a junior at high school. Wish me luck
Hey, if you work hard, study like crazy, and network with other people that have the same interest, it's not an impossible task. Best of luck to you, I hope to see your game one day
@@realtayo42 The indie game studio that i will have in the future after high school will be named AQ Studios because i thought it will be cool and catchy and also use the first letter of my first and last name just to put them together, which is AQ
@@alexquinn6667
This is coming from someone who is finally starting to work on indie games himself, don't beat yourself up or compare your work to someone else's.
It took me awhile to learn that lesson with making my own music, but after awhile, I learned that lesson.
And I 100% agree with you in saying that I don't desire to be famous within the indie game scene. I want folks to play my games and enjoy them, but that's the best part.
Unlike the triple A game industry, you don't need your games to sell a million units or more to be considered a "success".
This video, right here is from someone who has been making indie games for years and this video was the one to help push me into doing it: ua-cam.com/video/flsPNcVH2D0/v-deo.html
Making games is a lot of work and indies are no exception, but no one says that you have to do everything all at once or even by yourself.
@Edge Valmond
All I'm going to say about it is that it's a story driven game inspired by the Undertale series. As of making this comment, I'm still early in the prototyping phase, as well as trying to understand everything with the game engine that I'm using.
Once I'm done with that, I'll be working on the game's demo. I already have a lot of the music done, but I don't want to upload any of it until the demo is ready.
Really vampire survivors looks bad? I thought the style made it look pretty cool actually. The pixel art style I feel is pretty timeless.
I am still surprised that Horizon Zero Dawn got through! I think it's the last new IP that actually fun.
True
This year almost 10-15 great AAA games came out but you are too blinded by negativity and hate too see it.
This video came out in February, and I'm actually currently making a video that highlights a ton of the great games that came out this year
They aren't all bad. Ghost Of Tsushima and Witcher 3 are my some of my favorite games ever made!
Those are great games for sure!
@@realtayo42 Yea! They were complete on release, had no Microtransactions or battlepasses. Not to mention they had extra DLC with Ghost having Iki island, and Witcher 3 having Hearts Of Stone and Blood And Wine. Honestly Sony is my go-to example when talking about good AAA games.
@ThisChannelIsAbandoned300 I still think blood and wine is the best dlc of all time. And yeah sony has been pretty good the last few years
@@realtayo42 Yea Blood And Wine felt like its own Seperate game. And Sony has been going so strong these past few years. Releasing games like Sackboy, Horizon 2, God Of War Ragnarok, and so many others.
A+++! ☀️ I'm not sure that many have explained it better!
The -AAA- FFF fat cats have gotten so comfortable with doing the same thing repeatedly, that when they fail, they don't give a fuck, so long as they cash the check! They are convinced that they can afford to fail, and leave that failure--even an abject failure--spinning in the wind and move on.
When a AA or indie company fails, they will, at the very least, read the feedback and figure out--or take advice on--what needs fixing.
It is not just the sequels that are the problem; we've got sequels where the creativity of their predecessors has been maintained, with almost no revamp, even if the graphics are slightly more advanced. It's like the original Enterprise with a fresh coat of paint, even with a different (gray) shade...
...Now, going from _DOOM 3_ to _DOOM (2016)_ was like the complete renovation of the original Enterprise, inside and out, to the 1979 ship. Advanced graphics engine, new demon designs and new storyline. A sequel, but _maybe_ not a sequel. A reboot, perhaps? But the creativity within the story was more convincing. 😎
Indie games are trash, 90% of the indie games are just roguelikes / roguelites and minecraft clones. Like the only good indie games are like castle crashers, signalis, fuga melodies of steel 1 and 2, legend of grimrock 1 and 2, kenshi, shantae, blood stained ritual of the night and hell point.
thank you
By that logic, all games are trash because only the upper echelon of all games produced are actually "good". And just because you don't enjoy a genre, doesn't mean other people don't. Hell let loose, battlebit remastered, ccuphead, Dave the diver, disco elysium, spiritfarer, sea of stars, hotline miami, sifu, deep rock galactic, firewatch, etc, are all great games that many people enjoy.
Hell let loose and battle bit are shitty pvp games, cuphead is trash, dave the diver and sea of stars are pixel shit nostalgia bait, disco elysium claims to be an RPG but has no combat, hotline miami is a shitty isometric pixel trash, sifu is a shitty roguelike and fire watch is a shitty walking sim. The only good indie game you listed was Deep Rock Galatic.@@realtayo42
Bruh indie shills like to claim AAA just make the same thing but turn a blind eye to all the same old 8 bit shit, roguelikes and minecraft clones indie devs constantly shit out over and over again. My point is indie devs are just as bad as the AAA devs. @@realtayo42
They are EVERYWHERE! Binding of Isaac and BOI rebirth, death skid marks, risk of rain 1 and 2, hades 1 and 2, nuclear throne, Rogue's legacy 1 and 2, Darkest Dungeons 1 and 2, Vampire survivors and all of it's infinite survivor clones, loop hero, Loot river, slay the spire, roguelike modes for games like warframe and bloodstained ritual of the night, cult of the lamb, that blazblue roguelike, streets of rogue, thats just a small list off the bat but there are way too many roguelikes and minecraft clones. @@thegoose3836
Elden Ring, Dark Souls 3, Bloodborne, Sekiro, Armored Core 6, BOTW, TOTK, Mario Odyssey, Spider-Man PS4, Spider-Man Miles Morales and that is 10, and no, I didn’t look it up
I've lost
@@realtayo42 yes you have, gg
@@highlord2841 gg
Indie is killing the interest in story driven AAA with cheap games that manage to be dopamine pumps, I don't like roguelikes
I just bought blasphemous II and wizard with a gun for 80 dollars canadian and I couldn't be happier
Blasphemous II looks awesome!
@realtayo42 it's definitely a treat I'm getting close to the end of the game!
@@WIld-cHILd-1273 Nice!
indie games after making a original game with more content with 10-60k dollars than a AAA game with 160 million dollar budget
Basically
Eastasia Soft makes good new shooter games. Hyper5 was $9.99 NEW. It has new Unity and looks great for a new arcade shooter. I like how indi games are more polished. I bought 10 shooter games from $2-$12 each for about $40 all. I like a variety. I don't have time to download 100Gb games anymore, and don't want to waste hundreds of hours on one game like Fallout 4 which took me 9 months to platinum. I like arcade games like Cuphead because they load fast and I can play one level for 20 minutes and turn it off. I don't want to spend a hour on a mission like Red Dead Redemption 2 and then respawned on the other side of the map. I also hate pixel art in indi games. Pixel art is for CRT TVs. Games should be made for modern TVs and never released in 480p or 720p with letterbox art. I like how I can buy a indi game on release and get the whole game with no updates or DLC. Technically they finish making a triple A game after they stop making DLC, and the day one edition is a beta copy of the games.
I think there is a lot to say about games that are simple in design or those that mimic the arcade/retro style. They remember first and foremost that they're just games meant to make people smile and enjoy themselves. I love that simple hop in, play a few minutes, hop out style of game because it actually helps me play more.
Thanks for pointing these games out to me!
this video is copypasted over and over
how many times has it been now
Undertale was made by Toby Fox, but he didn't do everything though. Temmie Chang helped out with the art and character designs. He also got help by a few other folks, as well.
True, there were a few people involved but he definitely did much of the work
I think it's disingenuous to say only AAA companies put out the same products over and over again when there are ton of indie Metrovania, rogue likes and Dark Souls clones out there.
Just saying.
That's a fair criticism.
AA games are also a bit in the middle between AAA, and indie. They are small/medium sized studios, but they often include game dev vets, and experienced devs that craft fun, quality games. Not greedy or political like AAA, but not entirely brand new like Indies. There are examples like, THQ Nordic, and Focus Entertainment. There is a subtle, or vast difference between AAA, AA, and Indie. But, I feel it's more something you need to play to better understand.
Playing Crosscode and am at the dlc part of the indie game. Gotta say i am enjoying the game even though it has some of the hardest puzzles i ever seen.
Glad to hear it! Have fun!
Case and point: Dredge. Unique, cheap, and just plain old fun.
Awesome example!
Dredge is such a great game
@@greenbrickbox3392 It really is. I took a leap of faith it purchasing it, as it didn’t seem like something I’d usually play. Glad I listened to the reviews. Easily in my top ten all time indie titles.
Its very respectable how you are somehow replying to every comment
Well I'm trying haha. Sometimes I get too busy but I like to engage everyone if I can
Therussianbadger [ROBOTIC SCREECHING]
Who knew that me shitposting in SFM is a better animator, THAN A AAA GAME DEVELOPMENT STU-
Lol true
I talk to other indie devs being one myself I agree we are possibly more creative than AAA corporates
Definitely
I also never touch a game or hardware until at least 6 months after launch. Because I am a grown up who has patience
Patience saves a lot of money over time for sure
I prefer indie games than a sketchy AAA game:3 They are complete and cheaper^^ they need more support
Exactly. I love seeing passionate indie devs become successful purely because they made a great game
Also indie devs do make their own good RTS games or indie RTS game for example immortal gates of pyre, tempest rising and knights of honor.
Yeah there are plenty of good indie rts games
Beyond all reason is a thing too
7:43 this is the first time I've heard Terraria pronounced like this lol
Wait what? Have I been pronouncing it wrong the whole time?
@@realtayo42 ter-rare-ia
@@bugseater1 Oh. Yeah that does sound right.
Time to make an apology video lol
6th generation of games were so fun and before that as well. Ps2 era had so many random $20 games of every genre and some were hits some were miss... that was the last gen of AA games.
When we hit the 360 era all those midbudget games dried up and thats when i lost interest in console wars. Now indie filled that role of A and AA games, the studios feel like you need to go all in on hundred million dollar games with monetization to make real money.
With any luck AAA will crash and stabilize and come out better... we are at the point where games run like shit on console and are requiring insane specs on pc.
In short, AAA game companies (compared to indie games) are like Hollywood (compared to indie shows): rather have instant successes than be creative with the risk of no success
How come any time I see one of these thumbnails, on the Indie side its always Hollow Knight?
It's easily recognizable for the general public which allows people to quickly understand what is being compared.
@@realtayo42 Yeah, but
A: There are other popular Indie games
B: It can (and does) imply that Hollow Knight is the only relevant and important one, and that there is not much else to bother with.
because hollow knight is the face of indie games, duh
@@vladi3862 I get that, but when I made this comment, I was thinking "if I'm seeing the same few Indie games recycled, wouldn't that give an impression that the rest are like Triple A games: lower quality?"
Case in point - Star Wars Jedi: Survivor = broken.
Rip. Yet another example
And this is why Nintendo is the goat. Pick any AAA game on the switch and it'll be super fun I guarantee it.
I'll complain about things Nintendo does but their first party games definitely have that quality seal.
Their Zelda, Mario, metroid, kirby and pretty much big titles by them are goated. Nintendo the company is ass though.
except Modern Pokémon which the game dev part is by Gamefreak so blame them.
I'll counter the sequel argument with these:
*Megaman 2
*Megaman X2
*Phantasy Star 2
*Super Mario 2
*Xenoblade Chronicles 2
*Splatoon 2
*Shining Force II
*Castlevania II
Sequel doesn't always equal "bad" or "lazy".
This is true. I made more of a blanket statement, but you've just listed a number of great sequels.
Team Fortress 2
Half-Life 2
Mega Man 2 Sucks. Bad weapon balance, horrid stage design. People only like it due to music and nostalgia.
Bobby Kotick makes me sick.
Yep
Tunic was amazing I haven't had that much fun with a game in a very long time perfect game imo
It's great you found one you were able to enjoy that much!
indie games are the new AAA in fact they're AAAAA
Lol hopefully they don't end up with the same fate.
I stopped playing Pokemon Violet after how disappointing it is to have franerate issue just by riding on Miraidon. The update patches doesn't even improved the fps.
I eventually gave up in favor of Nexomon Extinction and Monster Sanctuary. Those monster taming games are much more enjoyable than the new Pokemon titles.
I think Gamefreak gave up on the game too, so you were just ahead of the curve. Glad you found some new titles to enjoy!
The price, the quality, and how engaged the devs are with the fans is why indie games are beating triple AAA games.
That last point is probably the most important. I don't feel the same kind of passion or soul from AAA games that I do from indie devs.
I want to make a open world rpg that looks like AAA but has the creativity of Indy I also want it to be similar to Skyrim or souls games I have money but lack experience whatever it would take to make this vision of mine come alive is what I’m willing to spend
The death of the AAA game industry reminds me a lot of the Chicxulub asteroid, as the large fall, the small begin to rise
An interesting comparison
Everyone expects the AAA games for years and they disappoint. Indie games no one expects (or very little) and they are actually creative and fun.
Yep, the hype is never good for a game
Minecraft was an indie, and a revolutionary game for the survival crafting genre. Stardew Valley revolutionized the way people viewed and played farming sims. Undertale was just fucking fantastic, and gets so much praise in the indie gaming space. AAA games dont like to innovate. They dont like to make genre defining stuff. They want money. and they'll get it by selling the same games over and over, or remaking them.
Never heard of Vampire Survivors, it's on Gamepass so I know what I'll be adding to my library!
Have fun!
bendy? yeah, bendy was a disaster because showdown bandit was a failure
I'd way rather play Insurgency Sandstorm or Hell Let Loose over modern CoD or Battlefield. We get some great AAAs still (EX: RE4 & Dead Space) but overall indies have my attention more
Hell let loose is awesome!
You forget for each good Indie game there are a thousand bad ones, comparing the best of indies to the worst of AAA is pretty ez mate
Also indie devs do make good shooter like boomer shooter games like ultrakill,scathe, dusk and Boltgun.
Ooh yeah I've heard a lot of good things about ultrakill.
Indie games arent even trying to compete with AAA gaming. The AAA industry is just in that bad of a state. Like holy shit the turns tabled hard. Whereas when AAA gaming was good, you rarely heard of a successful indie game, or they were all rpgmaker games. Indies have branched out far enout to were AAA gaming SHOULD be taking hints. Indie games are just better. Just recently a jaw dropping Indie dropped on steam, Shadows of Doubt. A voxel based detective game that is procedurally generated, wholly open world, with dynamic crimes happening throughout the city, and its only in Early Access. Like, fuck. A triple A studio COULD do that. But they actively choose to produce filth instead. and Most of Shadows of Doubt was made by one person. Most of the best games are indies, and alot of them were made by a single person team. If ONE PERSON can make a better game than a fully staffed, big budget AAA studio, there's a problem.
Honestly it's amazing to me to see these tiny studios create game experiences that would NEVER be made by a AAA studio. Indie devs take so many risks and make so many interesting fun games (I'm still addicted to Vampire Survivors). AAA games have all the resources at their disposal and they absolutely waste them.
rain world cameo
Gotta shout out cruelty squad for looking like a shitpoat and being one of the best games of the decade so far
Haven't heard of it but that's a common story haha
Nintendo is japanese, so naturally they care a lot more about their projects. Some times they fuck up but they also often make amazing creative games. Man I love Persona and Zelda.
I swear hollow knight is the face of indie games.
Pokémon is A Prime example of your view on AAA games
Pretty much
I'm still bitter at TLOU2. What a waste of potential.
It definitely split the fanbase in half
you're talking like as if only triple AAA game developers milking their franchises,
gaming for game devs no matter it's triple A or indie is all about searching for the most perfect cow to milk, let's take supergiant games as an example, they are well known as game devs that never do any sequels of their games but what happened when they found the perfect cow? that's right!! they are working on the sequel, get ready yourself for hades 3, hades 4.... hades 55th :/ good bye new and unique games from them...
another one: team cherry working on hollow knight silksong instead of something completely different and unique game right? right!, blasphemous 2 is also in development why? coz they are very good breed of cows that can be milked for years without any risk...
don't get me wrong I love those games but.. it is what it is ... I mean I have been waiting for darksiders 4 for years that is gonna be 5th ds game but I don't care I just want it so bad...
Dude hollow night silksong is being made since people want a sequel. Nobody wants fucking gollum the game
And unity decided to not let them do that anymore
What a mess
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All AAA games and indies suck (except Terraria) in the face of the second-party game, Ori
Ori was mid af, cry about it.
ending the video with outer wilds, now thats wild
Indeed
Good video.
Thank you!