Please Note: Barry moved a tomato sauce can so that his father would clearly look up at a surveillance camera, but didn’t actually reposition the camera itself. Sorry about that!
Young Barry turning into Dark Flash after failing multiple attempts of saving Batman and Supergirl remind me of Doctor Strange turning into Sinister Strange in What If? After trying countless times to save Christine Palmer
It was the opposite for me. I got the Clooney appearance spoiled for me in a Yahoo article. I immediately stopped reading but I was expecting a bunch of people to show up.
*Spoilers* What I got from the ending is, Barry is now in a pocket universe separate from the original. Because he went back at the end and changed the tomato cans for his dad, he still changed things and remember what BatKeaton said: the effects ripple forward AND backward, because time is not linear, so changes essentially radiate out from the intersect of the point of change.
Yep since he still changed something When he thought he was back Since he changed something something changed on him And those cameras were missed up because of 2 flashes using the speed force
I kind of liked that Barry DIDN’T learn his lesson of letting go and still tries to solve the problem, true to his character. As far as plotholes, there’s 2-3 I can think of but can look past.
Soooo Flash and Miles both learning the same lesson in their new movies and almost similar endings? Can’t save everyone and both ended up in an alternate universe
@@TheCaliforniaboy1 Let's not pretend that Flashpoint was a multiverse story. It was a story about time travel and dc threw in multiverse shit to get asses in seats Spider verse happened because of the success of the Spider man video game "Spiderman shattered dimensions" which lead to the comic "Spider island" which then lead to the comic "Spider Verse". Later adapted as the movies "Spiderman Into the Spider Verse" and "Spiderman Across the spider verse" If anything they wasted the multiverse on Flashpoint instead of making a crisis movie, ya know the story line where the multiverse was actually originally involved with?
@@COrraThereal0ne Well technically the multiverse was added to reboot the universe from DCEU to DCU. I will say your resourcefulness is impressive on Spider-Man.
I'm surprised they didn't have the surprise Bruce Wayne be Pattinson instead. And I hope WB brings back Sasha Calle as a dark-haired Supergirl. They could even bring her back as the daughter of Kal El and Wonder Woman from Dark Knight 2.
Thanks for this. Financial problems prevent me from seeing the movie, but at least I can watch your breakdown. However, there seems to be one very important question the film does not address: Who killed Barry’s mother?
I personally don’t believe they took it out Barry has yet to figure it out just like in the serious it takes him a minute to figure out the professor was reverse flash and he killed her
I love that this movie acknowledges the Snyder Cut. You can see a cameo of Aquaman pointing at Barry when they fight Superman. And also the fact that Barry cannot speed away civilians. Screw you, Josstice League
Ah, but you only did Supermen. You forgot Helen Slater's Supergirl flying in with Christopher Reaves. You also did not mention Adam West as well. I would like to see them do the Nicolas Cage Superman. That spider looked fantastic, and that fight was great.
Barry still changed everything because he moved a tomato sauce can to save his dad. That's why he got George Clooney as Bruce Wayne/Batman. The Post-Credit scene with Aquaman means that 'this timeline' (where Barry frees his dad) can possibly have a superhero with the same face and/or the same name as Prime Barry's timeline.
I thought it was good till he saves his dad and ruins the entire movie. Dude just learned the lesson and the does it again right after killing his mom? Sooooo stupid
@@DONALDGLOVER-hl9ob what? Bro the entire point of the camera was that it didn’t show his dad. He then went back and changed it so it showed his dad. He literally didn’t learn his lesson and did the exact same thing 🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
I just rented this the other day and I really liked it, Barry was such a great character and actor I really believed I was looking at 2 different versions of him at the same time, awesome job!!
The movie was to be 4 hours long so I'm guessing we will have to wait for the Directors cut to see the full movie better. I want to know how dark flash was able to push Barry when he was not made yet due to Barry having to be in that time line but he was pushed by dark flash so how can dark flash be yet if Barry need to make him
nora Allen death is a fixed point... if u change a fixed point the new universe & its time will change and probably it will destroy the universe as we see in flashpoint paradox animated movie... changing a fixed point barry deleted the DCEU timeline & in that new created timeline he created Dark flash at the end of the day the new universe fate is Dead.. so when barry & young barry time travel they created mutiverse with different timeline & fate as they r FULCRUM... so when old barry realised that & let his mom Die this thing cannot restore the DCEU timeline... if barry try to find his DCEU timeline he will create so much multiverse with different timeline he cannot imagine so only solution is to stay in the universe with keeping his old & new memory.
If he would have made it back "home" it would have opened an opportunity to look for Kara in his universe bringing Supergirl in for future justice league.
Barry is still in separate timeline because he moved can for his father and as we saw in the end instead of ben affleck the george clooney appeared that means supergirl/man is still alive in this timeline we might see her again or new superman in next movie.
The security camera evidence didnt make sense. In the movie Barry's mom screamed as his dad shut the door of his car. So her time of death wouldn't match with time she got stabbed vs the time he was on that camera so to the law he would still be considered the prime suspect. But if this was just a random act of violence (which we knows it not) there is no way a normal person could have gotten away without someone seeing them.
Exactly what you said is why the camera thing is the evidence. Let's put it this way: Let's say Barry's dad left the house at 12:00 and Barry's mom got stabbed at 12:15 Without the footage, Barry's dad has No Way To Prove his whereabouts within those 15 minutes, as he returns to his wife and probably touch the knife and there is no other suspect (if you read the comics you know, I won't spoil this in case you haven't, but you will know that a metahuman did this so it is not a normal person doing therefore normal "evidence" can't be found due to the metahuman powers turning the dad into the only suspect) But now that the footage has been found, Barry's dad is now proven to be at the store (with live footage) at the time of the murder. And that he can't just go to the store, look at the camera and returns back home to stab his wife, call his son to call 911 within those timeframe. Now, you can argue that modern Crime Lab Science can only pinpoint a "range" of time such as: time of death from 12:00 to 13:00 and not exactly down to each minutes. Then let's consider the time it took the police to get there, Barry's mom is still alive after the stab (barely but she is), let's say she can hold on about 5-10 more minutes and then the police arrive 5 minutes later, the corpse should still be warm enough to proof that she died so recent that the "camera footage" works. Again you can argue that is there not a single person including the clerks at the store can testify for him, they may not notice someone who just shop for a single can of tomatoes and therefore their words might not be concrete enough to become the evidence. And even if all that can't convince you then I can just be an insensitive/stupid/fantard nerd and said that this is a movie where a guy got struck by lightning can gain superspeed to go back in time, the producers and writers probably can't even think that far and you might have to roll with it
The Dark Knight is the best movie of all time they don't make movies like this anymore where superpower doesn't play a major role Christopher Nolan Trilogy was a masterpiece
This video has nothing to do with the Dark Knight lmao although I agree with you those were the best batman movies but in my opinion the best batman look and comic accurate is Ben Affleck Batman. Thats just me though.
I feel like this movies logic falls in on itself. It says time is not linear so dark Barry killing young Barry shouldn’t have affected him. Also young Barry sacrificing himself shows a level of growth dark Barry never got so at that point they are no longer the same person.
The killing happens inside the speed force though, which practically exists outside of the timelines. If young Barry never had the chance to keep redoing his timeline because he died, then how could he possibly become dark Barry? Also, having a different character is not a precursor to being a different "variant".
Just re-watched the cool parts. It looks like George Clooney as Batman is the consequence of his Father not going to jail. That is a tough call for me.
It's funny that people still haven't figured out that that's not Bruce Wayne but Thomas Wayne, even in the movie there are scenes that prove his Thomas Wayne.
@@anthonyhamlin16 Wrong, he literally touched Bruce and Martha, in the picture. Also, while telling him about his "dead parents" you can clearly see by his mannerisms that his making it up.
@@samuelsoltero247 this is as bad as the sith jar jar theory from Star Wars. Not even the director hinted at this. Hate to be the bearer of bad news but because you wanna believe he’s Thomas Wayne doesn’t mean he is in the Flash. He doesn’t at all tell Berry to stop calling him Bruce!!! I mean you can stay in denial if you want whatever makes you happy I guess but in no way am I convinced that he’s not Bruce Wayne. There’s just a lack of evidence to him being Thomas.
@@samuelsoltero247 Again your source is “trust me bro”. The director Andy Muschietti literally said…. “We didn’t want to give the audience a literal adaptation of the comic book”. You can go look it up yourself It’s the 89 Batman Bruce Wayne! Those hints you refer of may be nods to original flashpoint but that’s all they are, just nods. He’s not Thomas.
In short Barry didn't go to the past or future he just eneded up into a different timeline, just like what future trunks did (which came from a different future/timeline). Barry got trapped, and then fucked up while trying to get back into his original timeline lmao.
I dont think so . They need a New Superman that why thé flash movie was made for. Endind the Zinder Era and start with James Gunn Era ( phase) or univers and actors too
You know all these multiverse stuff with DC and Marvel - it's like one big giant mess! Can't go see just "one" movie these days...have to "Watch Them All"...one-ring-to-rule-them-all moment!
I don’t know what people are talking about! I loved everything about the Flash movie, the best ever, the negative talkers don’t have the proper marvel cinematic minds, marvel moves are infinitely cinematic ideas 💡 actions and characters, a great movie! Some people are never satisfied.
It was awesome movie People don't understand that Savitar cause a time paradox To become the flash Because since Barry saves his mother he never got hit by the lighting he wasn't a research student that why they had to sneak in to the building Time caught up with him that why he lost his powers
@@Coach.mattjohnsonI actually think this one is more linear than we are thinking aboyt it. Prime Barry's fulcrum point created young Barry, & young Barry later not giving up turns into Dark Flash, & Dark Flash attacked him after the Fulcrum meaning it was indeed still a result of his Fulcrum. Savitar on the other hand is different entirely as Savitar literally creates himself. The way I understand him, is CW Flash's Flashpoint created a momentary flux of possibilities of what could be as it was changing back. In the brief moment 1 possibility was Savitar, so he took advantage of that moment, came up w/ his plan to make himself integral to timeline & create the loop of his birth in this reality. So basically he made himself a real boy instead of a fading possibility. Well this is how I justify it atleast.
one small detail, didn't Barry move the tomato sauce higher on the shelf so that camera would see his father as opposed to "repositioning the camera" as mentioned in this video?
George is likely the new Batman in James Gunn's new DCU. Looper, obviously Barry will not go back in time again over the fact that Bruce is George Clooney. Jason stays as Aquaman, so his second movie takes place in this new world
the whole point of flashpoint was to see who his mom's killer was. which this movie never did, they never introduced reverse flash. Why would a man with super powers go back and think changing a can of tomatoes to make sure his dad is home intime for his mom's killer. was the correct decision? Reverse flash should've been the primary villain instead of a weird version of savitar. whoever wrote the story sounds like they had it explained to them by their teenage kid, and only heard 40% of it
nora Allen death is a fixed point... if u change a fixed point the new universe & its time will change and probably it will destroy the universe as we see in flashpoint paradox animated movie... changing a fixed point barry deleted the DCEU timeline & in that new created timeline he created Dark flash at the end of the day the new universe fate is Dead.. so when barry & young barry time travel they created mutiverse with different timeline & fate as they r FULCRUM... so when old barry realised that & let his mom Die this thing cannot restore the DCEU timeline... if barry try to find his DCEU timeline he will create so much multiverse with different timeline he cannot image so only solution is to stay in the universe with keeping his old & new memory.
because her son was kid at the time - she probably did feel that is how her son might look like when he grows up. she feels the connection with him and hence offers a hug.
What I want to know is why does The Flash changing the location of tomato sauce cans on the shelf cause a new Batman to prosper? Yes, changing things in the past causes things before and after that to alternate as well. But, all he did was move tomato cans on a shelf, so how does that prosper a different Batman in his timeline? Must’ve been something else that slightly changed his timeline right?
Because at the end of the movie his timeline seems exactly the same as before he went back in time; his mother is dead still, his father is going through trial still, his crush still chatting with him, she even left a note that stated she didn’t know when he was coming back: so everything is the same when he returns to his fixed timeline, except Batman is a different man…. How has that happened?
This movie reminded me of Doctor Strange / Spider man back to the multiverse and Ant man 2 with the comedy in the film plus the characters tryna go back into some dimension Typa ting which then goes back to Doctor strange typa vibes it’s pretty creative how they mashed it all into a ( hot mess )
Different ending scene, Flash and Aqua man stumble from the bar, and as Flash looks at Aquaman, his face ripples and becomes the face of Adrian Grenier 😂😂 He finally got to be Aquaman
The trip was necessary anyway cause . His father would not be free if he didn't go bac , found out the camera was there , and then move all the Tomato sauce to the top shell.
the multiverse must have given the film studios multiple orgasms cuz it validates every new plot, even if one specific plot doesn't work. infinite versions to create profit.
Thanks for the post. This shows and tells me what a cluster fudge the whole thing is. This is what happes when you have people writing and producing things they have NO understanding about. This is why they should get the writers to tell this tale. It is enough to say, forget it, i don't want to look at this hodge podge. OF COURSE SOME COMIC MOVIE EXPERT WIL OPEN THEIR MOUTH, NEVER READING FLASHPOINT and think they are an expert.
Displaced Barry is a family murderer and a mass murderer in magnitudes of infinity. Thus, the inevitable conclusion will be reached by each flash that taps into the power to reverse time -each flash is a danger to one's existence. The first flash that knocks barry from the chrono bowl couldnt possibly be from the timeline where his mom survives if time is with a default direction. There is a flash lost somewhere in time and the only way to fit in is for that flash to eliminate that timeline's flash or find one where the flash has died but has done relatively the same set of actions.
Barry clearly doesn't have the faith and patience that Dr Strange had in the Infinity Saga. Strange literally found a .0000000023% change of defeating Thanos.
The question I have is, Forgetting to get tomatoes started off the whole thing about Barrys Mom Dying.. Because they forgot the tomatoes, so he went back and put the tomatoes in her cart.. Eventually he realizes it doesn't work, so he takes the tomatoes back out from his moms cart.. But then at the very end, it shows Barrys Dad buying tomatoes on the top shelf, so they actually would have tomatoes now.. Does that mean his mom is alive too?
@@cringemaestrooat first I thought it was actually Barry who was in the cameras and not him, the dad actually came back much earlier and kills her. And the only reason Barry sees his dad in the window is because his memory is foggy because of how young he was and how traumatic the situation is. But honestly I don’t think so now because there’s too much plot holes to my theory but still. Idk why. The thing that stood out to me was who killed his mom? It might hold of secrets. I was waiting to find out. But we never did.
I watched last night. The Movie was good not great but good. The CGI was sort of Terrible when both Barry's were hanging out together in those scenes. James Gunn changed the original ending
I think no one mentions or pays attention to the fact that Yeah Barry’s da never looked up in the footage but Wayne tech had to fix it Why? 2 people using the speed force while it was recording Barry’s dad
flash did not travel to another universe he end he just let his mom Die & place the tomato can top so that at least he can save his father as barry thought if nora allen death save(fixed point) with new timeline can destroy newly created universe (where keaton universe) so a minor change might not effect thae timeline... but time is not linear... so as he placed the tomato can top the universe will not destroy as it is not a fixed point but there will be changes in the newly created universe & timeline... old DCEU timeline will still delete and he will stay in the new universe where clooney is the new batman.. if he again change the tomato can as previous this thing will not restore DCEU timeline as barry is the Fulcrum he will remain flash in every universe if he tries to restore the DCEU but this can create so many multiverse with so many timeline he cannot imagine
In the intro, you promise that if the time travel confused us, this would be our guide to "Barry Allen's Big Adventure." What a missed opportunity! Pee-Wee Herman never time traveled. It would have been much funnier if you had said Barry Allen's excellent adventure.
since he already decided to go back in time to save his mother why didn't he just jump in until the moment his mother was killed and stop the killer, in any case any change in the past will affect his reality
if that also happened the universe will break or get destroyed again as barry"s mother death is a fixed point. in dc there is no branch timeline concept if flash change anything by timetravel it will create new past & new future & present timeline delete
I was thinking you would answer only one question dc fans have. Is George Clooney going to be the next Batman? As per james gunn after completing the upcoming superman and peacemaker series he’ll start working on batman and his son damian wayne …so is it good to assume george Clooney would be next batman
i had my curious when heard bruce voice not Ben‘s Bruce… Had my guess right when George’s Bruce showup… My thought like: oh Barry what had you done again! 😅
What he had done again is he put a can of tomatoes on the upper shelf of the cabinet which made his dad to look up so that cctv secured the footage of his dad shopping in that grocery store!😢
I always wonder how Batman the world's best detective can't figure out a way to free Barry's dad like the Reverse flash is known and it shld be doable no??
Isn't the ending completely pointless since the dceu is taking a whole new direction, meaning anything that happens here has no barring on the overall narrative going forward, like the snyder cut.
Please Note: Barry moved a tomato sauce can so that his father would clearly look up at a surveillance camera, but didn’t actually reposition the camera itself. Sorry about that!
That was a movie 🎥 lol sorry 😢
Young Barry turning into Dark Flash after failing multiple attempts of saving Batman and Supergirl remind me of Doctor Strange turning into Sinister Strange in What If? After trying countless times to save Christine Palmer
Nicolas Cage cameo was spoiled for me but not George Clooney’s. That was quite a curveball! 🤣
Nicolas Cage looked sick with that long hair lmao.
It was the opposite for me. I got the Clooney appearance spoiled for me in a Yahoo article. I immediately stopped reading but I was expecting a bunch of people to show up.
What about the 1950’s George Reeves, late 70’s Christopher Reeves, early 80’ Helen Slater? There was a lot of pretty cool appearances happening 🤷🏼♂️
*Spoilers*
What I got from the ending is, Barry is now in a pocket universe separate from the original. Because he went back at the end and changed the tomato cans for his dad, he still changed things and remember what BatKeaton said: the effects ripple forward AND backward, because time is not linear, so changes essentially radiate out from the intersect of the point of change.
Exactly. Just a simple change can change everything. It was cool seeing george Clooney again tho!!
Yep since he still changed something
When he thought he was back
Since he changed something something changed on him
And those cameras were missed up because of 2 flashes using the speed force
Nicely stated!
ok but why would barry change the position of the tomato cans when he had understood that it would have consequences; isnt this a bit of a plothole;
I kind of liked that Barry DIDN’T learn his lesson of letting go and still tries to solve the problem, true to his character. As far as plotholes, there’s 2-3 I can think of but can look past.
Soooo Flash and Miles both learning the same lesson in their new movies and almost similar endings? Can’t save everyone and both ended up in an alternate universe
Nice observation
Well technically this Flashpoint story was made years before Spiderverse was made so technically Miles' story was just got released first movie wise.
@@TheCaliforniaboy1 Let's not pretend that Flashpoint was a multiverse story.
It was a story about time travel and dc threw in multiverse shit to get asses in seats
Spider verse happened because of the success of the Spider man video game "Spiderman shattered dimensions" which lead to the comic "Spider island" which then lead to the comic "Spider Verse". Later adapted as the movies "Spiderman Into the Spider Verse" and "Spiderman Across the spider verse"
If anything they wasted the multiverse on Flashpoint instead of making a crisis movie, ya know the story line where the multiverse was actually originally involved with?
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@@COrraThereal0ne Well technically the multiverse was added to reboot the universe from DCEU to DCU. I will say your resourcefulness is impressive on Spider-Man.
I'm surprised they didn't have the surprise Bruce Wayne be Pattinson instead. And I hope WB brings back Sasha Calle as a dark-haired Supergirl. They could even bring her back as the daughter of Kal El and Wonder Woman from Dark Knight 2.
Thanks for this. Financial problems prevent me from seeing the movie, but at least I can watch your breakdown. However, there seems to be one very important question the film does not address: Who killed Barry’s mother?
Reverse flash ofcourse but they removed that concept from the movie
It's the Reverse Flash like the comics. But it was taking out while the movie was in development hell.
@@nogodmanish5983 That's so dumb
@COrraThereal0ne it truly is....like the best part of the cw flash was the reverse flash story arc and the actor who played him...both actors
I personally don’t believe they took it out Barry has yet to figure it out just like in the serious it takes him a minute to figure out the professor was reverse flash and he killed her
I love that this movie acknowledges the Snyder Cut. You can see a cameo of Aquaman pointing at Barry when they fight Superman. And also the fact that Barry cannot speed away civilians. Screw you, Josstice League
Yeah. Civilian can't take away with superseed? Wow!
You need 2 degrees to figure that out!
@@riveraharper8166 it's not about if I know that. It's about denying Josstice League big time
@@yudhazacharias9377 Pity. It's the only function of flashboy.
@@riveraharper8166 what is your problem? What did I do that made you comment me like this? I apologize if I had done something wrong
@@yudhazacharias9377 I hate speedsters, speedster writers and speedster fanboys.
They are ruining DC comics and need to be stopped...
Ah, but you only did Supermen. You forgot Helen Slater's Supergirl flying in with Christopher Reaves. You also did not mention Adam West as well. I would like to see them do the Nicolas Cage Superman. That spider looked fantastic, and that fight was great.
Yeah- super sweet how Superman flexed on the vicious spider!
Supergirl was kickass! Looking forward to see her again.
Litterally dies everytime she weak
@@julioa1126 i was mad as shit at how weak she was it was damn annoying, like she never rlly put up a figth
@@Daniel-bu8hiwell she was held captive her entire life sooo
She’s hot 🥵
@@julioa1126 DC and James Gunn Can bring her back (actress ) as its not the same univers as George Clooney.
Barry still changed everything because he moved a tomato sauce can to save his dad. That's why he got George Clooney as Bruce Wayne/Batman. The Post-Credit scene with Aquaman means that 'this timeline' (where Barry frees his dad) can possibly have a superhero with the same face and/or the same name as Prime Barry's timeline.
Was anybody else crying at the end with the mom? Cause I did. Damn it was such a good movie. 😢👏👏👏
This movie was complete garbage.
Got me good.. my latina mom would sing for us too... that hurt. Wonderful scene
I thought it was good till he saves his dad and ruins the entire movie. Dude just learned the lesson and the does it again right after killing his mom? Sooooo stupid
@sparingpickle4918 he didn't really save his dad tho. That was gonna happen regardless.
@@DONALDGLOVER-hl9ob what? Bro the entire point of the camera was that it didn’t show his dad. He then went back and changed it so it showed his dad. He literally didn’t learn his lesson and did the exact same thing 🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
I just rented this the other day and I really liked it, Barry was such a great character and actor I really believed I was looking at 2 different versions of him at the same time, awesome job!!
I really wish they ended like the DC animated movies. Barry runs through time to save the multiverse, which leads to James Gunns DC universe.
if that happened EZRA will remain barry/flash ... i think they want to cast new flash like wally west
To be honest, I was expecting this to be so bad but it wasn't its an 8 for me cgi can be wonky at times but its not the worst.
So is super girl and Keaton Batman stay dead or does that timeline get erased because Barrie decided to let his mom die at the end anyway ?
i've got the exact same question. i suppose we will never know
The movie was to be 4 hours long so I'm guessing we will have to wait for the Directors cut to see the full movie better. I want to know how dark flash was able to push Barry when he was not made yet due to Barry having to be in that time line but he was pushed by dark flash so how can dark flash be yet if Barry need to make him
nora Allen death is a fixed point... if u change a fixed point the new universe & its time will change and probably it will destroy the universe as we see in flashpoint paradox animated movie... changing a fixed point barry deleted the DCEU timeline & in that new created timeline he created Dark flash at the end of the day the new universe fate is Dead.. so when barry & young barry time travel they created mutiverse with different timeline & fate as they r FULCRUM... so when old barry realised that & let his mom Die this thing cannot restore the DCEU timeline... if barry try to find his DCEU timeline he will create so much multiverse with different timeline he cannot imagine so only solution is to stay in the universe with keeping his old & new memory.
If he would have made it back "home" it would have opened an opportunity to look for Kara in his universe bringing Supergirl in for future justice league.
Barry is still in separate timeline because he moved can for his father and as we saw in the end instead of ben affleck the george clooney appeared that means supergirl/man is still alive in this timeline we might see her again or new superman in next movie.
yes probably new superman/girl as old DCEU timeline erased
The security camera evidence didnt make sense. In the movie Barry's mom screamed as his dad shut the door of his car. So her time of death wouldn't match with time she got stabbed vs the time he was on that camera so to the law he would still be considered the prime suspect. But if this was just a random act of violence (which we knows it not) there is no way a normal person could have gotten away without someone seeing them.
Exactly what you said is why the camera thing is the evidence. Let's put it this way:
Let's say Barry's dad left the house at 12:00 and Barry's mom got stabbed at 12:15
Without the footage, Barry's dad has No Way To Prove his whereabouts within those 15 minutes, as he returns to his wife and probably touch the knife and there is no other suspect (if you read the comics you know, I won't spoil this in case you haven't, but you will know that a metahuman did this so it is not a normal person doing therefore normal "evidence" can't be found due to the metahuman powers turning the dad into the only suspect)
But now that the footage has been found, Barry's dad is now proven to be at the store (with live footage) at the time of the murder. And that he can't just go to the store, look at the camera and returns back home to stab his wife, call his son to call 911 within those timeframe.
Now, you can argue that modern Crime Lab Science can only pinpoint a "range" of time such as: time of death from 12:00 to 13:00 and not exactly down to each minutes. Then let's consider the time it took the police to get there, Barry's mom is still alive after the stab (barely but she is), let's say she can hold on about 5-10 more minutes and then the police arrive 5 minutes later, the corpse should still be warm enough to proof that she died so recent that the "camera footage" works.
Again you can argue that is there not a single person including the clerks at the store can testify for him, they may not notice someone who just shop for a single can of tomatoes and therefore their words might not be concrete enough to become the evidence.
And even if all that can't convince you then I can just be an insensitive/stupid/fantard nerd and said that this is a movie where a guy got struck by lightning can gain superspeed to go back in time, the producers and writers probably can't even think that far and you might have to roll with it
rofl you dont get it idiot
The Dark Knight is the best movie of all time they don't make movies like this anymore where superpower doesn't play a major role Christopher Nolan Trilogy was a masterpiece
What? Batman has superpowers. He has a super brain and super athletic.
This video has nothing to do with the Dark Knight lmao although I agree with you those were the best batman movies but in my opinion the best batman look and comic accurate is Ben Affleck Batman. Thats just me though.
I feel like this movies logic falls in on itself. It says time is not linear so dark Barry killing young Barry shouldn’t have affected him. Also young Barry sacrificing himself shows a level of growth dark Barry never got so at that point they are no longer the same person.
The killing happens inside the speed force though, which practically exists outside of the timelines. If young Barry never had the chance to keep redoing his timeline because he died, then how could he possibly become dark Barry?
Also, having a different character is not a precursor to being a different "variant".
My take away from the movie is, because Ezra Miller exists, we never got Nicholas Cage's Superman
Just re-watched the cool parts. It looks like George Clooney as Batman is the consequence of his Father not going to jail. That is a tough call for me.
I really enjoyed the flim, but interesting choice to not have reverse flash and any attention in the murder of his mother but focus on his dad.
So all of this could have been avoided if Barry’s dad saved his receipt…
😂😂
It's funny that people still haven't figured out that that's not Bruce Wayne but Thomas Wayne, even in the movie there are scenes that prove his Thomas Wayne.
Wrong he never once alluded that he was Thomas Wayne. He mentioned losing his parents not a child. This is not the flashpoint animated film.
@@anthonyhamlin16 Wrong, he literally touched Bruce and Martha, in the picture. Also, while telling him about his "dead parents" you can clearly see by his mannerisms that his making it up.
@@samuelsoltero247 this is as bad as the sith jar jar theory from Star Wars. Not even the director hinted at this. Hate to be the bearer of bad news but because you wanna believe he’s Thomas Wayne doesn’t mean he is in the Flash. He doesn’t at all tell Berry to stop calling him Bruce!!! I mean you can stay in denial if you want whatever makes you happy I guess but in no way am I convinced that he’s not Bruce Wayne. There’s just a lack of evidence to him being Thomas.
@@anthonyhamlin16 I'm sorry to say this, but there are hints on the movie that show he is Thomas Wayne.
@@samuelsoltero247 Again your source is “trust me bro”. The director Andy Muschietti literally said…. “We didn’t want to give the audience a literal adaptation of the comic book”. You can go look it up yourself It’s the 89 Batman Bruce Wayne! Those hints you refer of may be nods to original flashpoint but that’s all they are, just nods. He’s not Thomas.
Good Explaination of Time Travel with Past Changing Effect.
James gun should recast ezra milla..
They can hire Dylan O brian from Maze runner and teenwolf
Dylan does have a history of running.
In short Barry didn't go to the past or future he just eneded up into a different timeline, just like what future trunks did (which came from a different future/timeline). Barry got trapped, and then fucked up while trying to get back into his original timeline lmao.
This movie was pretty cool
Nicholas Cage Superman is now canon to the DCEU.
I dont think so . They need a New Superman that why thé flash movie was made for. Endind the Zinder Era and start with James Gunn Era ( phase) or univers and actors too
I saw the movie back in April and lost my mind when I saw Nic Cage as Superman! 9/10 movie
You know all these multiverse stuff with DC and Marvel - it's like one big giant mess! Can't go see just "one" movie these days...have to "Watch Them All"...one-ring-to-rule-them-all moment!
But dc made one with a purpose and marvel dedicated a whole phase that failed
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@@sixfeetunder0105 Fail I dont think so
I need a sequel now…
Wow what a movie😊😊😊😊
I don’t know what people are talking about! I loved everything about the Flash movie, the best ever, the negative talkers don’t have the proper marvel cinematic minds, marvel moves are infinitely cinematic ideas 💡 actions and characters, a great movie! Some people are never satisfied.
He should never fix the tomato can. The flash is in another alternate time line
if he undo his mistakes he still cannot restore the old DCEU timeline
Our realities make us who we are even thought life can suck big time Micheal Keaton made a cameo.. lets get nuts... i love it ....😅
I like that wanna get nuts .lets get nuts!
It was awesome movie
People don't understand that
Savitar cause a time paradox
To become the flash
Because since Barry saves his mother he never got hit by the lighting he wasn't a research student that why they had to sneak in to the building
Time caught up with him that why he lost his powers
Plus the dark flash punched Barry out of the bowl to create dark flash? I don’t get it
Dark Flash Not Savitar
@@Coach.mattjohnsonI actually think this one is more linear than we are thinking aboyt it. Prime Barry's fulcrum point created young Barry, & young Barry later not giving up turns into Dark Flash, & Dark Flash attacked him after the Fulcrum meaning it was indeed still a result of his Fulcrum.
Savitar on the other hand is different entirely as Savitar literally creates himself. The way I understand him, is CW Flash's Flashpoint created a momentary flux of possibilities of what could be as it was changing back. In the brief moment 1 possibility was Savitar, so he took advantage of that moment, came up w/ his plan to make himself integral to timeline & create the loop of his birth in this reality. So basically he made himself a real boy instead of a fading possibility.
Well this is how I justify it atleast.
one small detail, didn't Barry move the tomato sauce higher on the shelf so that camera would see his father as opposed to "repositioning the camera" as mentioned in this video?
Yessss
I LOVED this movie!
George is likely the new Batman in James Gunn's new DCU. Looper, obviously Barry will not go back in time again over the fact that Bruce is George Clooney. Jason stays as Aquaman, so his second movie takes place in this new world
no, James Gunn said it’s not George Clooney
which makes this mess even more confusing 😅
@@morningbump Is that so? Huh, okay thanks
No
@@XOwave Yeah I just remembered James said it's a young actor he's looking for, sorry
@@Clark522 Yeah, I just remembered that, sorry
the whole point of flashpoint was to see who his mom's killer was. which this movie never did, they never introduced reverse flash. Why would a man with super powers go back and think changing a can of tomatoes to make sure his dad is home intime for his mom's killer. was the correct decision? Reverse flash should've been the primary villain instead of a weird version of savitar. whoever wrote the story sounds like they had it explained to them by their teenage kid, and only heard 40% of it
despite the controversy of the actor, I do enjoy this film
Batman and Supergirl die, Zod destroys Earth, and the Flash doesn't make it home. WTF
So is the alternate universe erased or was the earth Terra formed or changed to wear barry never went back in time
nora Allen death is a fixed point... if u change a fixed point the new universe & its time will change and probably it will destroy the universe as we see in flashpoint paradox animated movie... changing a fixed point barry deleted the DCEU timeline & in that new created timeline he created Dark flash at the end of the day the new universe fate is Dead.. so when barry & young barry time travel they created mutiverse with different timeline & fate as they r FULCRUM... so when old barry realised that & let his mom Die this thing cannot restore the DCEU timeline... if barry try to find his DCEU timeline he will create so much multiverse with different timeline he cannot image so only solution is to stay in the universe with keeping his old & new memory.
Why didnt Barry's mother recognize him in the store?
because her son was kid at the time - she probably did feel that is how her son might look like when he grows up. she feels the connection with him and hence offers a hug.
Keaton better come back
The movie was pretty decent. Nothing incredible or amazing but a good movie in general.
I want second part of jack Snyder justice league
"never be the same again" yeah because it's been scrapped
So he doesn’t make it back home right? He’s still in an alternate universe right?
This film has no redeeming qualities
What I want to know is why does The Flash changing the location of tomato sauce cans on the shelf cause a new Batman to prosper? Yes, changing things in the past causes things before and after that to alternate as well. But, all he did was move tomato cans on a shelf, so how does that prosper a different Batman in his timeline? Must’ve been something else that slightly changed his timeline right?
Because at the end of the movie his timeline seems exactly the same as before he went back in time; his mother is dead still, his father is going through trial still, his crush still chatting with him, she even left a note that stated she didn’t know when he was coming back: so everything is the same when he returns to his fixed timeline, except Batman is a different man…. How has that happened?
@@Vlone.- WRONG!!!!
You can’t stop something that is planned for us
In man of steel Zod didn't get powers until he took that face shield off so Supergirl should have been able to beat him
This movie reminded me of Doctor Strange / Spider man back to the multiverse and Ant man 2 with the comedy in the film plus the characters tryna go back into some dimension Typa ting which then goes back to Doctor strange typa vibes it’s pretty creative how they mashed it all into a ( hot mess )
Different ending scene,
Flash and Aqua man stumble from the bar, and as Flash looks at Aquaman, his face ripples and becomes the face of Adrian Grenier 😂😂
He finally got to be Aquaman
10:53-11:47 I'm excited for what Gunn and Safran have planned for 8-10 years down the line, what about you?
So the ending sucked ass ngl but the rest was pretty good ngl.
Basically all Batmans are different stating that they don't even know which batman will be in his universe and that aquaman will always be Jason mamoa
I hope Kara will have her own movie title.
The trip was necessary anyway cause . His father would not be free if he didn't go bac , found out the camera was there , and then move all the Tomato sauce to the top shell.
the multiverse must have given the film studios multiple orgasms cuz it validates every new plot, even if one specific plot doesn't work. infinite versions to create profit.
The optimism in this video that there will be more films from this universe is nice, but not likely. I suspect this particular DC experiment is over.
Thanks for the post. This shows and tells me what a cluster fudge the whole thing is. This is what happes when you have people writing and producing things they have NO understanding about. This is why they should get the writers to tell this tale. It is enough to say, forget it, i don't want to look at this hodge podge. OF COURSE SOME COMIC MOVIE EXPERT WIL OPEN THEIR MOUTH, NEVER READING FLASHPOINT and think they are an expert.
I am actually very happy I didn't waste money on watching this.
Would have been cool if Brandon Routh made a cameo
Displaced Barry is a family murderer and a mass murderer in magnitudes of infinity. Thus, the inevitable conclusion will be reached by each flash that taps into the power to reverse time -each flash is a danger to one's existence. The first flash that knocks barry from the chrono bowl couldnt possibly be from the timeline where his mom survives if time is with a default direction. There is a flash lost somewhere in time and the only way to fit in is for that flash to eliminate that timeline's flash or find one where the flash has died but has done relatively the same set of actions.
I have a question! SO WHO KILLED HIS MOTHER??
Spoiler coming up
Reverse flash
Barry clearly doesn't have the faith and patience that Dr Strange had in the Infinity Saga. Strange literally found a .0000000023% change of defeating Thanos.
Explain the bad CGI. GO ON...
The problem I had with this movie was that it basically was just a “well everything you just saw basically never happened”
The question I have is, Forgetting to get tomatoes started off the whole thing about Barrys Mom Dying.. Because they forgot the tomatoes, so he went back and put the tomatoes in her cart..
Eventually he realizes it doesn't work, so he takes the tomatoes back out from his moms cart..
But then at the very end, it shows Barrys Dad buying tomatoes on the top shelf, so they actually would have tomatoes now.. Does that mean his mom is alive too?
the point is dad left mom alone to get the tomato sauce so the robber/murderer attacked her.
@@cringemaestrooat first I thought it was actually Barry who was in the cameras and not him, the dad actually came back much earlier and kills her. And the only reason Barry sees his dad in the window is because his memory is foggy because of how young he was and how traumatic the situation is. But honestly I don’t think so now because there’s too much plot holes to my theory but still. Idk why. The thing that stood out to me was who killed his mom? It might hold of secrets. I was waiting to find out. But we never did.
This movie was great. We want sequel.
04:15 qué tan difícil es decir "ciudad gótica" que en lugar tuvo que decir "goran citi"?????
Dr. Manhattan, or crisis on infinite earth.
Let's get nutsth
In this alternate version, Lois Lane dies soon after this scene. Hence altering the future permanently
Crazy to think Nicolas cage has played superman and Spiderman
I watched last night. The Movie was good not great but good. The CGI was sort of Terrible when both Barry's were hanging out together in those scenes. James Gunn changed the original ending
Multiverse is just a tool to expand the series.
I think no one mentions or pays attention to the fact that
Yeah Barry’s da never looked up in the footage but Wayne tech had to fix it
Why?
2 people using the speed force while it was recording Barry’s dad
If flash traveled to another universe then how changing store camera change reality in his universe.. or did he travel time during his second visit?
flash did not travel to another universe he end he just let his mom Die & place the tomato can top so that at least he can save his father as barry thought if nora allen death save(fixed point) with new timeline can destroy newly created universe (where keaton universe) so a minor change might not effect thae timeline... but time is not linear... so as he placed the tomato can top the universe will not destroy as it is not a fixed point but there will be changes in the newly created universe & timeline... old DCEU timeline will still delete and he will stay in the new universe where clooney is the new batman.. if he again change the tomato can as previous this thing will not restore DCEU timeline as barry is the Fulcrum he will remain flash in every universe if he tries to restore the DCEU but this can create so many multiverse with so many timeline he cannot imagine
In the intro, you promise that if the time travel confused us, this would be our guide to "Barry Allen's Big Adventure." What a missed opportunity! Pee-Wee Herman never time traveled. It would have been much funnier if you had said Barry Allen's excellent adventure.
since he already decided to go back in time to save his mother why didn't he just jump in until the moment his mother was killed and stop the killer, in any case any change in the past will affect his reality
if that also happened the universe will break or get destroyed again as barry"s mother death is a fixed point. in dc there is no branch timeline concept if flash change anything by timetravel it will create new past & new future & present timeline delete
Finally a DC movie that beat Marvel movies.
**YAWWWWWWWWWWN....** ... bye-bye, Ezra...
heres hoping future batman doesnt bring back the nipple costume
I was thinking you would answer only one question dc fans have. Is George Clooney going to be the next Batman? As per james gunn after completing the upcoming superman and peacemaker series he’ll start working on batman and his son damian wayne …so is it good to assume george Clooney would be next batman
i dnot think so because as The Flash Flopped they will not continue EZRA as flash so that universe and its meta human will not be the the part of DCU
i had my curious when heard bruce voice not Ben‘s Bruce… Had my guess right when George’s Bruce showup… My thought like: oh Barry what had you done again! 😅
What he had done again is he put a can of tomatoes on the upper shelf of the cabinet which made his dad to look up so that cctv secured the footage of his dad shopping in that grocery store!😢
The Flash!❤
Oh Val cursed that damn cancer ♋
Didnt Flash tell Aquaman that he's the only one whos the same? As if its still wrong, but Aquaman hasnt changed like the others?
SAvitar? I thought it was Zoom.
My question at the end was: why did his tooth still fall out…….. 🤷🏼♀️
In the ending flash should’ve went to Robert Pattinsons universe
I always wonder how Batman the world's best detective can't figure out a way to free Barry's dad like the Reverse flash is known and it shld be doable no??
Isn't the ending completely pointless since the dceu is taking a whole new direction, meaning anything that happens here has no barring on the overall narrative going forward, like the snyder cut.
What have with Robin and batgirl