Best and Worst Main Villains of The Flash

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  • Опубліковано 14 тра 2024
  • Over the course of it’s 184 episode long run spanning 9 seasons, The Flash has had 19 total main villains, 4 total more than Arrow had which included all the flashback main villain as while the first 4 seasons had just one main villain each, season 5 had multiple and season 6 and onwards was split up into arcs with each arc having a different main villain and sometimes more than one. Because of this most of the main villains come from the later seasons which is a bad thing because arguably almost all of the good ones come from the earlier seasons. In this video I’ll be looking at all 19 main villains and rank them from worst to best for one final time.
    -- Timestamps --
    00:00 - Intro
    1:19 - Number 19
    2:00 - Number 18
    2:35 - Number 17
    3:06 - Number 16
    3:59 - Number 15
    5:00 - Number 14
    6:35 - Number 13
    7:30 - Number 12
    9:07 - Number 11
    10:23 - Number 10
    11:37 - Number 9
    12:41 - Number 8
    13:30 - Number 7
    14:14 - Number 6
    15:10 - Number 5
    16:15 - Number 4
    17:16 - Number 3
    18:26 - Number 2
    19:49 - Number 1
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  • @namecomingsoon9517
    @namecomingsoon9517 11 місяців тому +2469

    I find it funny that Thawne’s character has fluctuated so much that you have to rank him by era’s

    • @pappyckwamma2274
      @pappyckwamma2274 11 місяців тому +77

      yes, bt the show was accurate about this timeline\personality change shit!

    • @jac0736
      @jac0736 11 місяців тому +96

      Seriously Eric Wallace was like hey Tom this is your angry character
      But the fans remember him as a cold calculating sociopath who barely snapped, which is what made him snapping so memorable
      Nah be angry
      People don’t bring it up because they wrote Harry Wells out of the show but season 2 Harry vs season 4 Harry had instances where they almost followed this pattern.

    • @dragonfire4527
      @dragonfire4527 11 місяців тому +30

      ​@@jac0736 the only time he got angry was when Barry destroyed his time sphere, threatening to kill everyone he cared about out of spite for destroying his time sphere and any chances of him getting home.

    • @idgafleavemealone6742
      @idgafleavemealone6742 11 місяців тому

      The flash is a pile of shit with a couple of sprinkles on top

    • @rahulbansal2
      @rahulbansal2 11 місяців тому +5

      Yes and imo it's not fair to bully the actors

  • @tacotown4598
    @tacotown4598 11 місяців тому +1155

    the fact that a good reverse flash appearance created arguably the best episode of season 9 and an extremely good episode overall just goes to show how good of a villain he is.

    • @OmarO_721
      @OmarO_721 11 місяців тому +98

      Matt definitely rules this role, sucks he didn’t get much screentime in the actual show.

    • @Dremsal
      @Dremsal 11 місяців тому +26

      depends on what you're talking about, in the show he's a horrible villain and only really comes back to kill barry 24/7 instead of just trying to do as much damage as possible
      they milked him so much, gave him random power buffs, ruined how scary he was in the begin
      im not sorry when i say that the CW ruined reverse flash

    • @cronostrife431
      @cronostrife431 11 місяців тому +26

      @@DremsalMost definitely. As a season 1 main villain, he’s amazing. As a “main villain” He’s completely horrible

    • @tacotown4598
      @tacotown4598 11 місяців тому +17

      @@Dremsal yes. But at his peak he was arguably the show’s best villain, and that’s exactly what he was in 9x10

    • @caylya7869
      @caylya7869 11 місяців тому +2

      @@Dremsal He’s talking about episode 10.

  • @drlemon4806
    @drlemon4806 11 місяців тому +367

    zoom was perfect, one of, if not, my favorite villain overall. And season 2 being fantastic as well.

    • @SLJ957
      @SLJ957 11 місяців тому +12

      It was criminal that he wasn't brought back before season 9. They could've done smth with the time wraith pulling him out of the timeline back in the 100th episode and have him return the next season or smth

    • @drlemon4806
      @drlemon4806 11 місяців тому +26

      @@SLJ957 yeah but honestly I'm somewhat glad he hasn't returned much. Look at reverse flash. I got sick from Tom Cavanagh. He was amazing, yeah no doubt about it, but so overused he became boring asf. And the awful writing didn't help it too

    • @apoorvanand9627
      @apoorvanand9627 11 місяців тому +10

      Zoom is my favourite Speedster villain till date. Thawne is just the nemesis. He is the dark opposite.

    • @mcentepede
      @mcentepede 11 місяців тому +2

      Mirror Monarch was very attractive. The mirror gimmick was cool and not a bad B grade villain because of her sympathetic back story

    • @ajanilynx
      @ajanilynx 11 місяців тому

      Agree

  • @thefanwithoutaface8105
    @thefanwithoutaface8105 11 місяців тому +280

    Zoom is easily the best villain in my opinion. He had all the mystery of the Reverse Flash along with the Menace that came from being highly intelligent but he was far more ruthless and brutal, having zero problem murdering anyone whenever he felt like it.
    Plus the black eyes, the demonic suit, Tony Todd's voice really made you believe he was something inhuman.

    • @oakinw8361
      @oakinw8361 11 місяців тому +29

      Facts. Zoom was the best thing they did in the show. Was legitimately terrifying and brutal. Shame he never got another arc. They could’ve done something with the black flash thing and had him regain his consciousness in the time wraith form

    • @sygnetshorts
      @sygnetshorts 10 місяців тому +18

      Absofuckinglutely Zoom was wayyyyy better than Eobard, dude almost took out the multiverse on his own and everyone seems to forget that 😂

    • @user-gi3tv5rl3j
      @user-gi3tv5rl3j 7 місяців тому

      Fax

    • @LordHADESKS
      @LordHADESKS Місяць тому

      In my opinion he’s a jumped up V9 junkie 😂😂

  • @user-xj8lk3jy8i
    @user-xj8lk3jy8i 11 місяців тому +188

    I miss old speedster villians. How Zoom could kill everyone on the room with superspeed. Did we saw scenes like this? Godspeed since his appearence in s6 killed only 1 people(Nora's best friend). In past, you knew that evil speedster could have kill everyone on the room. And everyone had his special thing. Thawne with his vibrations. Zoom with time remnants. Savitar with blades. Now, everyone just throw lightning at each other. Everyone gets plot armor, even NPCs.

    • @vibemasterkorosu2469
      @vibemasterkorosu2469 8 місяців тому +8

      Zoomgoat>Midspeed

    • @Dr.FeelGood1346
      @Dr.FeelGood1346 8 місяців тому +3

      Also whenever they wanted to make a new main villain for Barry, all they had to do was say that he was faster than Barry

    • @Darth-vade123
      @Darth-vade123 2 місяці тому +3

      Savitar> godspeed

    • @shivamverma7151
      @shivamverma7151 13 днів тому

      ​@@vibemasterkorosu2469 😂😂😂

  • @yourfavcommentor
    @yourfavcommentor 11 місяців тому +628

    You forgot the worst villian that transcended beyond the show… Eric Wallace

    • @vashistreddytadi
      @vashistreddytadi 11 місяців тому +3

      XDDD

    • @akeu754
      @akeu754 7 місяців тому

      I liked season 4 tho

    • @Ek_Mz
      @Ek_Mz 7 місяців тому +11

      @@akeu754 Yeah but Eric Wallace didn't start running the show until S6, S1 to S5 are so good because Eric had nothing to do with them

    • @darthpalo00
      @darthpalo00 2 місяці тому

      @@Ek_Mzs5 sucked, it was just the start of the show going downhill

    • @XSV.Animate.Lab_723
      @XSV.Animate.Lab_723 Місяць тому

      ⁠@@darthpalo00I’m pretty sure season 5 was co writ by Eric correct me ir I’m wrong tho

  • @spotlightstuds556
    @spotlightstuds556 11 місяців тому +804

    I wish they kept bloodwork longer, the only good villain Eric wrote

    • @positivemusic5135
      @positivemusic5135 11 місяців тому +204

      I'm glad they didn't keep blood work longer cuz I believe Eric would have ruined the character if blood work appeared more

    • @praneethponnada4976
      @praneethponnada4976 11 місяців тому +74

      @@positivemusic5135 probably, he worked better since he only appeared in 10 episodes.

    • @spy_agentbob4308
      @spy_agentbob4308 11 місяців тому +13

      Leave get out of here

    • @kairasendo1175
      @kairasendo1175 11 місяців тому +27

      Personally I’m a Godspeed fan but he was in the show for way to little. Like only 5 episodes and the finale… which… ugh

    • @mrbrickfan34
      @mrbrickfan34 11 місяців тому +12

      for me he wasn’t the only good villain, i also liked despero and deathstorm

  • @OmarO_721
    @OmarO_721 11 місяців тому +420

    Cobalt Blue had potential in my opinion. The rivalry he has with Barry was practically there, since of course he is Eddie, and the concept of the NSF choosing him makes perfect sense.
    but as mentioned the structure of the season, and lack of proper development just ruined the character

    • @NeonWafflez707
      @NeonWafflez707 11 місяців тому +33

      Well yes he had so much potential. People have been wanting him to show up as Eddie for years. But the fact that they had a shorter season and STILL decided to do two arcs and like 4 episodes of filler really ruined what the character could have been. I would have loved if we had an episode to focus on each speedster villain he brought back instead of them being effortlessly defeated by all of the side characters, while Barry gets his ass kicked by an inexperienced speedster.

    • @user-xj8lk3jy8i
      @user-xj8lk3jy8i 11 місяців тому +10

      If NSF can return people from death, it doesn't make sense. Then, Zoom or Savitar would be perfect choice. Since, they would gladly accept power and gets revenge on Barry, without turning them to bad guys.

    • @OmarO_721
      @OmarO_721 11 місяців тому +9

      @@user-xj8lk3jy8i the whole blue crystal thing wasn’t really explained too clearly as well. Like how was it created, how did the NSF place itself in it, and why bother using if it literally struck Eddie with red lightning in the first episode of the arc. It was clearly talking to Eddie without the Crystal

    • @EaterOfBeholders
      @EaterOfBeholders 11 місяців тому +5

      If you abbreviate "Negative Speed Force Wins" you get NSFW, which is probably why they didn't let them win XD

    • @djmattblack
      @djmattblack 11 місяців тому +2

      I feel maybe if The Flash had been given its usual 20 episode run they could have really fleshed out Cobalt blue and he could have been a really good villain. As they had to try and cram it into a 4 episode arc they really didnt do the character justice

  • @IslandPunchProductions
    @IslandPunchProductions 11 місяців тому +392

    The first 4 seasons were so good. It's a true shame it ended like this.

    • @ddk6112
      @ddk6112 11 місяців тому +27

      first 4? try 2, it went downhill ever since

    • @prowessFr
      @prowessFr 11 місяців тому +59

      @@ddk6112 first 2 were for sure best but 3 and 4 were still good, the last good ones

    • @flashseason82ndbestericdid
      @flashseason82ndbestericdid 11 місяців тому +4

      Now season 4 good after ya trash it when it was premiering?

    • @ImTheReverse
      @ImTheReverse 11 місяців тому +11

      Lol since when are people fans of season 4? Yes, the last few seasons have been ass but NEWS FLASH: Season 4 is still trash

    • @azrael_knight4317
      @azrael_knight4317 11 місяців тому +12

      @@ImTheReverse I really liked season 4, season 5 is when the series gets worse for me.

  • @OmarO_721
    @OmarO_721 11 місяців тому +120

    Although Bloodwork didn’t have as much screentime as most of the other villains before him, I think he was executed very well. Honestly I don’t know how else they could have expanded his arc.

    • @apoorvanand9627
      @apoorvanand9627 11 місяців тому +11

      I was more than satisfied with what they did with Bloodwork. He was a proper antagonist for his arc. He appeared in Evas arc one time to show how cool and dangerous he is.
      Best of all, he appeared as the main villain of the last Arrowverse crossover with Oliver Queen.
      He had great plans, motivations, powers and all. And he was defeated properly as well. Im glad they put him in 3.
      Sendhil Ramamurthy is a great actor.

    • @Chadius_Thundercock
      @Chadius_Thundercock 11 місяців тому

      @@apoorvanand9627 too bad he was British

  • @andrewrogers3067
    @andrewrogers3067 11 місяців тому +132

    I really don't know how Eric Wallace did Bloodwork so well.

    • @jordanvance1657
      @jordanvance1657 11 місяців тому +41

      I think we can thank the actor on that one

    • @drlemon4806
      @drlemon4806 11 місяців тому +9

      probably because he didn't

    • @mikerosoft2179
      @mikerosoft2179 11 місяців тому +18

      bloodwork was probably the only he got to think out very well before the constraints of being a showrunner were upon him (doesn't excuse his future failings).

    • @OmarO_721
      @OmarO_721 11 місяців тому +16

      The actor was definitely a factor, and a amazing choice. Most people remember him as Mohinder from Heroes, and he blossomed in that rule too

    • @jordanvance1657
      @jordanvance1657 11 місяців тому +12

      I think people forget but the actors and their ability to preform in the role matters a lot. I think thr actor for god speed was terrible even without the writing.

  • @MasterCube33
    @MasterCube33 11 місяців тому +218

    Eric Wallace makes Thawne look like a saint. I hope you make a video talking about Eric’s time as the show runner

    • @suryasingh9738
      @suryasingh9738 11 місяців тому +31

      I have a theory that Eric Wallace is actually Thawne with the REAL Eric Wallace's face.

    • @MasterCube33
      @MasterCube33 11 місяців тому +13

      @@suryasingh9738 Honestly a valid prediction since thawne is known for doing this before

    • @suryasingh9738
      @suryasingh9738 11 місяців тому +15

      @@MasterCube33 And Ezra Miller is the REAL Red Death from another universe. Why else would he be hanging around with TWO Batmen?

    • @Chadius_Thundercock
      @Chadius_Thundercock 11 місяців тому

      @@suryasingh9738 “It was me Barry, I ran back in time to kill and become Eric wallace to make the writing and dialogue of your show terrible! Terrible enough for everyone to appreciate the reverse flash more than you”

    • @suryasingh9738
      @suryasingh9738 11 місяців тому +1

      @@Chadius_Thundercock "WTF Thawne? Did you mess up my future in the DCU too?"

  • @RushinEnergy
    @RushinEnergy 10 місяців тому +29

    I’m glad you mentioned how Grant should have appeared more often as Savitar in Season 3. On its own, the fact that Savitar IS Barry is why I believe, if Grant had been given more of chance, Savitar could have surpassed Thawne and Zoom for the title of best villain. He had the potential!

  • @NoeLoFi
    @NoeLoFi 11 місяців тому +486

    Glad to see Devoe getting the respect he deserves, season 4 is easily my favorite season, it was the first time Barry was up against someone who could think faster then he could run and devoe really had a plan for all of Barry’s plans.. really wish they didn’t go down the body swop route as well though. Also something about savitar had me shook, bro was WAY faster then zoom and the way they showed iris “dying”? Nah

    • @ImTheReverse
      @ImTheReverse 11 місяців тому +26

      It was also the first time a Flash season was 2/3rds filler.

    • @49HEALTH
      @49HEALTH 11 місяців тому +4

      @@ImTheReverse I don’t think that’s true

    • @49HEALTH
      @49HEALTH 11 місяців тому +31

      @@ImTheReverse dawg it was like the least filler any season ever got wtf u talking about. It had literally not a single filler episode. Every single villain in every episode contributed to the main plot. Tweakin.

    • @liltone9614
      @liltone9614 11 місяців тому +6

      I actually liked how they had different actors as the big bad.

    • @danwarner7816
      @danwarner7816 11 місяців тому +5

      Honesty devoe sucked for me blood work was better

  • @Chris-th5fl
    @Chris-th5fl 11 місяців тому +99

    It's weird that Matt letscher eobard only got a full season villain story in legends and not in flash is crazy to think about. Grant and Matt work so well together with the little we have seen from them.

  • @dylan0814
    @dylan0814 11 місяців тому +104

    Blood work is actually my 2nd fav villain behind og thawne. I just love how blood work would tempt Barry in “the last temptation of Barry Allen part 1” he was so menacing and felt like a actual threat

    • @caseyhart4999
      @caseyhart4999 11 місяців тому +3

      Also it gave us one of the best laugh out loud moments in the entire show with the dinner table scene where everyone has the black shit in their mouth lol

  • @SLJ957
    @SLJ957 11 місяців тому +134

    I feel like not having the rogues led by captain cold as the main villains of season was a missed opportunity, the rivalry between cold and flash would've been so cool to develop over an entire season

    • @jamainegardner4193
      @jamainegardner4193 11 місяців тому +19

      They should've made them the villains of Season 1 and Wells the Villain of Season 2.

    • @roypalmer69
      @roypalmer69 11 місяців тому +6

      I just wish they had brought miller back the final season

    • @giancarlourielmarpa6037
      @giancarlourielmarpa6037 11 місяців тому +7

      It could've worked had captain cold not died in legends of tomorrow or had build up to be a better person

    • @ontos8914
      @ontos8914 11 місяців тому +2

      They didn’t really know what they wanted to do with the rouges they were all wasted

    • @roypalmer69
      @roypalmer69 11 місяців тому +4

      @@ontos8914 oh yeah and they wasted Mick on legends.

  • @Theblobmma
    @Theblobmma 11 місяців тому +22

    Man we took those first 4 seasons for granted, all those villains despite being a slow burn, we’re all built up to well, made very intimidating, and badass and I feel like the flash just never caught that same magic after season 4

  • @divinechukwudire8230
    @divinechukwudire8230 11 місяців тому +36

    I think the reason why Cicadas name is different is because Nora altered the timeline at the end of season 4 and someone else became Cicada

    • @jinxedyuri5756
      @jinxedyuri5756 10 місяців тому +1

      YES, and i think they mentioned this in the show too

  • @_thethinker5557
    @_thethinker5557 11 місяців тому +29

    Ahh thank youuu!! The Thinker when played by Neol Sandilands was so gooooood, such underrated actor and character!! It was so refreshing seeing a non speedster villain as the msin one, his origin was so good, and the actor absolutely embodied him perfectly, the soomthing yet disturbing way he talked, his emotions, Just perfect. And Bloodwork is so underrated, I loved his role in season in as well, he outshined the other villains.

  • @AJ-bg6ko
    @AJ-bg6ko 11 місяців тому +19

    I recently watched the first 2 seasons and Zoom is just so much more interesting than I even remember. I'd completely forgotten how much he parallels Barry and how much he pushes Barry's development over the course of the season. Season 1 Thawne was the best villain, but as an antagonistic force I think Zoom is unrivalled, the way he makes Barry suffer and grow over the course of the season, and even by the end he's broken enough to create Flashpoint. But what's even more interesting is the subtle things, like the difference between Hunter and Zoom. Zoom is a monster, he's not a man, he's an unstoppable force, but Hunter is very much a man, and I love how quickly you see his insanity when he takes off the mask. As soon as he starts talking you're like "oh wow this guy is just a maniac", but he's stuck as that little boy that watched his dad murder his mom, that's why he needs to be the monster. He's just like Barry, except different circumstances in Barry's life saved him from becoming Hunter, instead Barry is stuck as that little boy who's mother was murdered, and thats why he needs to be the hero. All of this culminating in Barry using Zoom's signature move, the ability he used to "play hero", and being an actual hero, sacrificing himself to save the multiverse.

  • @Thawne_Editzs
    @Thawne_Editzs 11 місяців тому +35

    I really feel Savitar was wasted towards the ending of S3 which is pretty reasonable why he would have been placed in number 4.

  • @pizzara889
    @pizzara889 11 місяців тому +43

    I actually like Godspeed, just wish he was treated better and written better

    • @shadoka9409
      @shadoka9409 11 місяців тому +24

      They did him dirty compared to his comic version

    • @pizzara889
      @pizzara889 11 місяців тому +4

      @@shadoka9409 IKR

    • @Real_DvD
      @Real_DvD 11 місяців тому +1

      Season 6 episode 18 is the best godspeed adaptation we’ve gotten imo

    • @apoorvanand9627
      @apoorvanand9627 11 місяців тому

      I preferred Godspeed that Nora defeated. Atleast he was a proper villain, who was a great threat as Nora’s first enemy.
      Karan Oberoi’s Godspeed was an amnesiac wimp who let his clones wreck havoc only to get his memory and powers from the heroes, cringe for a while, do a Star Wars fight and get stabbed by Thawne.

    • @Meepie_Playz
      @Meepie_Playz 2 місяці тому

      Same, wish they wrote him better like his comic book counterpart

  • @uhsleepz
    @uhsleepz 11 місяців тому +10

    Tony Todd as Zoom and Tobin Bell as Savitar is what made those two villains two of my favorites. I’m a big horror movie fan and Tony Todd in Candyman and Tobin Bell in Saw are amazing

  • @TTyronE_
    @TTyronE_ 11 місяців тому +43

    I'd say that out of all of them, Zoom is my favourite villain. I don't know how to word it but RF to me is more like an "antagonist" and not a villain, like he doesn't compare to Zoom's ruthlessness/brutality when I look back at Seasons 1 & 2.
    Sure RF was definitely a 'bad guy' but he had clear motives for why he ended up doing what he does, Zoom on the other hand was (as described in S9) a junkie who didn't care who got in his way to get the speed he so desperately wanted. RF was more meticulous and cunning in comparison.

    • @walquirisosa8430
      @walquirisosa8430 11 місяців тому

      What about season 3 that was good too.

    • @TTyronE_
      @TTyronE_ 11 місяців тому +1

      @@walquirisosa8430 Everyone has their own opinions - I don't hate S3, but I REALLY don't like Time Loops when it comes to story telling.

    • @sygnetshorts
      @sygnetshorts 10 місяців тому +1

      Factssss, Zoom was scary and fucking brutal asf. Remember he came back in season 5 and scared the shit out of Barry and Nora 😂 that's how much of an impact he had on Barry

  • @jeremymorris345
    @jeremymorris345 11 місяців тому +8

    14:42 Eobard mentioned how he put on the Wells face to mess with Barry because he has more of an emotional connection to that face then Matt's Thawne + in the words of Thawne "Hansome"

  • @darkarrow3683
    @darkarrow3683 11 місяців тому +16

    I like Matt’s version more then Tom’s because that psychotic side of RF is true to who Eobard is in the comics. Now he is cold and calculating but he goes out of his way to let Barry know he’s tryna destroy his life by acting crazy. And BL what you said about Wellsobard being overused and written poorly in later seasons, I completely agree with that.

  • @BuzzGaming.
    @BuzzGaming. 11 місяців тому +13

    My ranking of every flash Villians
    16)Eric Wallace/Iris West
    15)Mirror Monarch
    14)The Forces/The Speed Force
    13)Cicada 2
    12)The Negative Forces/The Negative Speed Force
    11)Red Death
    10)Cicada
    9)Godspeed
    8)Cobalt Blue
    7)Despero
    6)Deathstorm
    5)The Thinker
    4)Bloodwork
    3)Savitar(S3)
    2)Zoom(S2)
    1)Reverse Flash(S1-S5)

    • @aversion356
      @aversion356 9 місяців тому

      Iris is the true villain of the show.

    • @BuzzGaming.
      @BuzzGaming. 9 місяців тому

      @@aversion356 “WE aRe THe FLaSh”-🤓

  • @snoopmarkiemark9404
    @snoopmarkiemark9404 11 місяців тому +21

    Reverse has fluctuated so vastly and there’s also different versions and actors playing him; you can’t just do one single ranking for him, I agree it has to be by era or season/arc. At this point, with the finale, even Savitar and Zoom get a second version (which are terrible).

  • @matthewsmith7059
    @matthewsmith7059 11 місяців тому +13

    Wish we saw more of Matt’s reverse flash. Don’t get me wrong I love Tom when he’s reverse flash . But man Just Matt’s energy is so good especially when him and Grant are acting on screen together.

    • @zhephnix
      @zhephnix 11 місяців тому +1

      Tom is great but, the real eobard isn’t Tom, they kept using his face just because eobard took over Harrison wells body, but so many eobards have died that the real one has always felt dead, no reverse flash has felt menacing Spence season 1

  • @melonpaj171
    @melonpaj171 11 місяців тому +17

    i have to say that i think matt worked best on legends of tomorrow he is such a menace there lord. kills people and is actually kinda scary but also have some good moments of humanity such as when he talks with ray in the space pod. i think it was pretty stupid to keep tom as reverse flash after season 1 tbh i makes zero sense execept when barry time travels back.

    • @Kraekan
      @Kraekan 11 місяців тому +1

      2049 or season 5 thawne makes sense I believe.

  • @aetriandimitri190
    @aetriandimitri190 11 місяців тому +11

    I think Cicada was one of the most wasted potential for a villain since he started off REALLY strong and intimidating with just murdering people. And his ability to cancel powers wouldve been really interesting as Barry had grown reliant on his powers. But they just completely threw it away by having Caitlyn be immune and just make him useless so Barry could beat him up.
    If they had it so Barry had to be smart, use planning, and maybe take fighting lessons from Oliver, it couldve been amazing, but they didnt.
    Also shouldve let my guy murder more people that was fun to watch

    • @apoorvanand9627
      @apoorvanand9627 11 місяців тому

      They should have been him a mentally ill cult leader like in the comics. More interesting that whatever this guy was. “Metahuman Jack the Ripper”, my foot.

    • @aetriandimitri190
      @aetriandimitri190 11 місяців тому +2

      @@apoorvanand9627 i like his direction, the backstory scene of Gracie getting hit was heart breaking, so why not just combine the two, start a cult of people that are tired of living in fear of metas and want them gone. Have Barry have to deal with his own city turning against him and having to potentially fight just regular people

    • @_Cozart__
      @_Cozart__ 7 місяців тому

      Facts and when the guy making this vid said changing his name made no sense made me angry , since the reason why Cicada was Orlin Dwyer was because Nora punched the satellite with Barry .

    • @theneoreformationist
      @theneoreformationist 6 місяців тому

      I would say the opposite. The character had no potential, due to the nature of his powers. In any conflict, there's only two reasonable options:
      1. Cicada takes everyone's powers and murders them all. (Way too overpowered)
      2. Cicada looses his dagger and cannot possibly win against team flash without it. (Way too underpowered)
      Either of those wouldn't make for a full season villain, so instead every conflict was just interrupted by the winning side making some stupid mistake and letting the loser get away. There was no good way they could have written this. All of the previous villains were powerful, but had actual reasons for not just killing Barry.
      Grace as Cicada 2 would have been a much better season villain, as she didn't need to rely on a ridiculously overpowered dagger to pose a threat. Her motivation for being a killer also works better than Orlin. He's just upset and wants to lash out, but she is a child growing up her whole life believing metas are evil, and even kills her father for accepting them!

    • @aetriandimitri190
      @aetriandimitri190 6 місяців тому

      @@theneoreformationist Cicada definitely isn't overpowered, and forcing the team to use strategy instead of powers definitely has potential. Also no way does Grace have a better motivation than Orlin, Orlin lost everything to meta humans, and then lost Grace, but for Grace's timeline she was just salty and angry, yes she lost her parents but she still had Orlin

  • @studyingeducation8438
    @studyingeducation8438 11 місяців тому +18

    10:43 They explained in this season that his name changed because of changes in the timeline (Nora stopping the enlightenment, changing the present events causing Cicada to come earlier than when his suppose too) so the original cicada doesn't become Cicada. I would direct swap number 11 and 13, as the younger Cicada did more in few episodes than mirror princess did in 2 seasons.

  • @patrickmcguire7896
    @patrickmcguire7896 11 місяців тому +16

    Agreed Cobalt Blue could’ve been better if he just had more episodes to develop. Aldo fans wanted Cobalt Blue because they wanted him, Eddie to be Barry’s long lost twin brother like in the comics

  • @traviscrumbey7969
    @traviscrumbey7969 11 місяців тому +8

    The zoom plot twist was perfect because comic book shows are usually limited by the fact that they usually follow the source material so making a twist that was completely new while still following the main comic source material

  • @realwaifus5514
    @realwaifus5514 11 місяців тому +23

    It really speaks to how overused Thawn was that they didn’t bring him back again to be the final villain of the series.

  • @jackbrown2801
    @jackbrown2801 10 місяців тому +4

    I remember when the Bloodwork arc made everyone think Eric Wallace would fix the show. If only we knew…

  • @ShortCoder616
    @ShortCoder616 11 місяців тому +10

    They did explain why orlin is cicada. Thawne had nora help barry with the satellite because he somehow knew it would make a new cicada so they could beat him. David hersch is cicada in every other universe as sherlouque says.

  • @ntcnetwork9934
    @ntcnetwork9934 11 місяців тому +3

    Arrowverse Zoom is insanely awesome and underrated, and I genuinely think that should be the go to version of the character from here on out. Comics and otherwise.

  • @alexsere3061
    @alexsere3061 11 місяців тому +5

    Man, the amount of rose color glasses with savitar is insane. At the time I remember people calling it was an alternate barry really early on, the reveal dragged on too much and nobody liked it because of how obvious it was while feeling it was smart. But hey, later flash seasons do that to you I guess

  • @TheOzzyBear
    @TheOzzyBear 11 місяців тому +3

    Finding out just now Tony Todd was zooms voice blew me away. I swear I normally pay attention to credits but my gosh did he kills it as always.

  • @RoseyTheatre
    @RoseyTheatre 11 місяців тому +14

    You forgot. The main villain of the final season is Eric Wallace

  • @vashthestampede3459
    @vashthestampede3459 11 місяців тому +6

    Season 1 was the greatest season and one of the best in all TV Shows I have ever watched. Season 1 Thawne was def the best villain on the show for me

  • @NeoETM
    @NeoETM 10 місяців тому +2

    Thawne, savitar and bloodwork are the only villans where i can hear their theme songs just by looking at them

  • @murillozanin
    @murillozanin 11 місяців тому +3

    Eu tava sentindo falta desses tipos de vídeo, saudades

  • @TabalugaDragon
    @TabalugaDragon 11 місяців тому +4

    Cicada, is by far, the worst. A guy who can literally be shot with a normal gun(no healing, super durability or superspeed) poses a threat for the whole season. All they needed to do is Barry bringing Joe to Cicada, Joe shooting him - bam. And him being able to fly wouldn't help - bullets are faster.

  • @alexjfranco
    @alexjfranco 11 місяців тому +3

    17:02 I literally called it that Savitar was Barry by about episode 12-13 and later found that so did most fans online at that point, and they waited until episode 20/21 of 23 to reveal him

  • @moonie2723
    @moonie2723 11 місяців тому +7

    I wish Matt letscher had more time as reverse flash

  • @Vex-mq5wo
    @Vex-mq5wo 11 місяців тому +6

    Hot take but Matt Letscher is a better reverse flash than Tom not just because Tom was overused but because the rivalry between Barry and him is truly felt anytime he’s on screen and also the way he portrays thawne feels more natural than anything Tom did after S1

  • @frankthepug9242
    @frankthepug9242 11 місяців тому +10

    I think that the show should've ended at season 8, with the final battle between Flash and Reverse-Flash, which would also be the final battle between the positive and negative Speed Forces. It was a great climactic moment that would've bookended the show with Thawne being the villain of the first and last seasons. But instead we got Cobalt Blue.

  • @Makman1994
    @Makman1994 11 місяців тому +2

    Loved this video! Are you doing this villain ranking for the other Arrowverse shows?

  • @d370ur
    @d370ur 11 місяців тому +3

    Good points, but not every villain needs to have beef with Barry. The secondary characters also exist in the show and a villain focused on them can work.

  • @1.V.V.
    @1.V.V. 11 місяців тому +3

    The thing that killed it for me atleast is that they milked the show and the showdown of barry and thawne so much to the point where im not even exicted to see how it ends... you almost forget all the pain that thawne inflicted to barry and the team where it doesnt feel as impactful because that was many seasons ago. Its just them holding a grudge on eachother or atleast thats what it feels like

  • @Dagghost763
    @Dagghost763 11 місяців тому

    This is PERFECT 😊

  • @narwhal6112
    @narwhal6112 11 місяців тому +3

    Genuinely every time Tom Cavanagh appeared as Reverse Flash after season 1 (except the flashback episodes) it made me so mad, because it made no sense, that and, including Legends of Tomorrow, Eobard Thawne is killed on like 4 separate occasions. Matt proved that he could play Eobard perfectly on multiple occasions and it was so sad to see them not using him so many times.

  • @MrWolfchamp-xi3cu
    @MrWolfchamp-xi3cu 11 місяців тому +11

    Mirror Monarch is a great villain
    She had depth and interesting powers that made her threatening.
    Unpopular opinion probably but whatever.

    • @Kraekan
      @Kraekan 11 місяців тому +4

      Yeah the potential was there, it was just the filler, motivation, and the season as a whole that was off. If anyone else directed CW they could've made it work.

    • @Josh-Man
      @Josh-Man 11 місяців тому +1

      I personally disliked Mirror Monarch and her whole arc as a whole, like with the speed forces as villains.

    • @theflashdcuniverse
      @theflashdcuniverse 11 місяців тому

      She had no rivalry with flash

    • @MrWolfchamp-xi3cu
      @MrWolfchamp-xi3cu 11 місяців тому

      @@theflashdcuniverse She was holding his wife captive in the Mirror world.

  • @iammask1073
    @iammask1073 11 місяців тому +4

    Zoom is my favourite Villain of the series I liked how creepy and quite scary he was in the show.

  • @filiperoque1801
    @filiperoque1801 11 місяців тому +1

    Now that the show has ended you should do a full ranking video for the 9 seasons. Your Arrowverse rankings are really nostalgic.

  • @violetlavi2207
    @violetlavi2207 11 місяців тому +3

    10:48 they did explain that. David Hersch was the original person struck by a piece of the satellite, and who originally became Cicada, but thanks to Nora’s intervention, it was now Grace who was struck

  • @lordonbur69
    @lordonbur69 11 місяців тому +3

    Season 1 Reverse Flash is truly terrifying

  • @theganondorky7238
    @theganondorky7238 11 місяців тому +6

    Zoom is 100% my favorite from the series

  • @justyouraveragegeek548
    @justyouraveragegeek548 11 місяців тому +3

    Honestly the structure of series villain could of been a bit stronger cause here’s how I would change a few elements
    S1-Reverse Flash
    S2-Zoom
    S3-Savitar
    S4-Thinkerer
    S5-Cicada”Orlin
    S6-Bloodwork&Deathstorm
    S7-Cicada”grace
    S8-Godspeed
    S9-Reverse Flash&Coblat Blue

  • @rugalthreesixteen6812
    @rugalthreesixteen6812 11 місяців тому +3

    Zoom should have been as much a recurring villain as reverse flash for 2 reasons
    1 zoom and reverse flash are technically the same supervillain alias worn by both thawne and zolomon with the same yellow costume.
    2 Zolomon also kiilled Barry's Dad which makes his grudge with Barry almost as personal as Thawne killing his mom.

  • @lieutenantwolf5437
    @lieutenantwolf5437 11 місяців тому +7

    Completely agree with ur opinions on savitar he’s extremely underrated

  • @questionablezoomer764
    @questionablezoomer764 11 місяців тому +3

    Matt Letscher was great as Thawne and could be one of the best main villains on the show, but I disagree with you that he could surpass Tom Cavanagh’s Thawne, because of the mystery behind it all back in S1 was really well executed. "Wells-Thawne" got in a weird way creepier and creepier throughout the season and I don’t think Matt Letscher could ever replace that feeling if mystery and eerieness, and while he Matt was a great Thawne, Tom’s performance in S1 is unmatched.

  • @featherguardian6023
    @featherguardian6023 11 місяців тому +2

    My Ranking my Main Villains of the Flash:
    15.The Speed Force/The Forces
    14.The Negative Forces/Negative Speed Force
    13. Red Death
    12.Negative Flash
    11.Godspeed
    10.Mirror Monarch
    9.Cicada/Cicada 2
    8.Cobalt Blue
    7.Despero
    6.Deathstorm
    5.Savitar
    My Top 4 which are the Best:
    4.The Thinker
    3.Bloodwork
    2.Reverse Flash
    1.Zoom
    And a Plus Bonus as an Honorable Mention:Eric Wallace.

  • @thelukeofficial9626
    @thelukeofficial9626 11 місяців тому +2

    Really good list man but I will say Tom Cavanagh has always been doing incredible acting in my opinion

  • @Isaacisaperson4677
    @Isaacisaperson4677 11 місяців тому +7

    Something I have learned over the course of the the Eric Wallace era is he goes by this philosophy. "We'll give you what you want.
    but we don't have to make it good"

    • @TheBlackLion001
      @TheBlackLion001  11 місяців тому +6

      Nobody wanted the forces arc

    • @dadidadi8938
      @dadidadi8938 11 місяців тому

      ​@@TheBlackLion001 the flash s10 canceled plans make a video on it please

    • @tacotown4598
      @tacotown4598 11 місяців тому +3

      @@TheBlackLion001 or the interludes 🤣

    • @Isaacisaperson4677
      @Isaacisaperson4677 11 місяців тому +1

      @@TheBlackLion001 yea but people begged for Godspeed, Red Death, and Cobalt Blue and look how that turned out

  • @ilovezoom3719
    @ilovezoom3719 11 місяців тому +3

    15. Speed Force (Season 7A)
    14. Negative Still Force (Season 8C
    13. Ryan Wilder Red Death (Season 9A)
    12. August Heart Godspeed (Season 7B)
    11. Eva McCulloch Mirror Monarch (Season 6B)
    10. Grace Gibbons Cicada ll (Season 5B)
    9. Orlin Dwyer Cicada (Season 5A)
    8. Deathstorm (Season 8B)
    7. Despero (Season 8A)
    6. Eddie Thawne Cobalt Blue (Season 9B)
    5. Clifford DeVoe The Thinker (Season 4)
    4. Barry Allen Savitar (Season 3)
    3. Ramsey Rosso Bloodwork (Season 6A)
    2. Eobard Thawne Reverse Flash (Season 1)
    1. Hunter Zolomon Zoom (Season 2)
    So here’s the deal 19 villains just seems to much for me so I decided to only put the villains that were established from the beginning to be the big bads and not all the ones who were arguably unnecessary which 3 of them were the Reverse Flash
    You can disagree and argue but it won’t change my mind
    1-4 are the good villains, 5-8 are the decent villains and 9-15 are the bad villains just for more specificity

  • @spork20
    @spork20 9 місяців тому +1

    Red death not being bruce Wayne was legit a crime in the show

  • @PerfectTroy1
    @PerfectTroy1 11 місяців тому

    Great video. In fact, it serves to remind us how underwhelming the villains were.

  • @Sacciuiguai
    @Sacciuiguai 11 місяців тому +3

    Imagine if they had done a season arc with Black Flash instead of the speedforce forces family, the mirror monarch or the red death

  • @gregorydonkey949
    @gregorydonkey949 11 місяців тому +3

    I think maybe they could have made red death better if he was like bloodwork but Reverse flash before he helped Barry against Godspeed and he was just negative speed force went into bloodwork and he became red death with Reverse flash helping him in his mind so he has all of reverse flash knowledge of how to use the negative speed force kind of like firestorm with Jefferson and Martin but blood work is like Jefferson and reverse flash is like martin

  • @supremelike2955
    @supremelike2955 11 місяців тому +2

    I think it would have been cooler if he was named Pollux to reference the first speedster the flash fought on live television in the flash(1997)

  • @BreakerX42
    @BreakerX42 11 місяців тому +1

    I'm noticing it's not just the writing but the way they do lighting and lightning in the earlier seasons that look better

  • @GIMMETHELOOTNOW
    @GIMMETHELOOTNOW 11 місяців тому +4

    Zoom was the scariest 😳

  • @JMaster9877
    @JMaster9877 11 місяців тому +3

    We can all agree with most of if not all of Eric Wallace villains that if they had more then 4 episodes to develop they could've become a lot better.

  • @matthewlincoln8194
    @matthewlincoln8194 11 місяців тому +1

    Great points made about Thawne being overused. All I could think of is that his back must be hurting from carrying that show all those years.
    Red Death was an absolute mess. My Idea is that it should've been a multiversal version of S1 Oliver, who became more brutal after his version of the Glades(and tried to steal Barry's speed to be more effective).
    I liked Cobalt Blue, and I think the whole season should've been about him. Blue bringing back all the speedsters was cool, but waisted. It should've been a more experienced Flash taking them all down(as opposed to team flash helping).

  • @RickReasonnz
    @RickReasonnz 10 місяців тому +1

    I'm rather pleased with how high you placed Bloodwork. Love him in the comics, loved him in the series. I mean, who can argue against Flash vs zombies?

  • @suryasingh9738
    @suryasingh9738 11 місяців тому +4

    My favorites:
    1. Zoom
    2. Savitar
    3. Weather Wizard
    4. Trickster
    5. King Shark
    6. Grodd
    7. Reverse Flash
    My least favorites:
    1. Red Death
    2. Godspeed
    3. Chill-lame
    4. Cicada I
    5. Mirror Monarch

    • @idefinitelytapped7396
      @idefinitelytapped7396 11 місяців тому

      I’m gonna add Cecile to your worst list. The villain that brought down this whole show.

    • @suryasingh9738
      @suryasingh9738 11 місяців тому

      @@idefinitelytapped7396 Replace her with Eric Wallace, the man that gave her this much screen time over the main character.

  • @TheHaas123
    @TheHaas123 11 місяців тому +2

    Cobalt blue was DEFINITELY better than mirror Monarch. I get that they screwed up by not giving him enough time and I would agree that he would be way higher if they gave him more time.
    But mirror monarch also had some weird pacing issues (granted that’s due to COVID)
    I would also take cobalt blue over cicada, I mean there wasn’t really anything there for cicada.
    I definitely see why you’d put deathstorm over him but I don’t know if I would agree I would say cobalt blue and deathstorm are about equal.

  • @thesmellofadventure5370
    @thesmellofadventure5370 8 місяців тому +1

    17: Speed Force (Season 7A: God Complex)
    16: Grace Gibbons/Cicada II (Season 5)
    15: Negative Still Force (Season 8C: It’s All Negative)
    14: Mirror Mistress (Season 6B: Reflections and Lies)
    13: Negative Speed Force (Season 9B: A New World)
    12: Cicada (Season 5)
    11: Red Death (Season 9A: Rogue War)
    10: Negative Thawne (Season 9C: It’s All Negative)
    9: Goodspeed (Season 7B: Godspeed Imperative)
    8: Cobalt Blue (Season 9B: A New World)
    7: The Thinker (Season 4)
    6: Deathstorm (Season 8B: Death Revisted)
    5: Despero (Season 8A: Armageddon)
    4: Savitar (Season 3)
    3: Bloodwork (Season 6: Blood and Truth)
    2: Zoom (Season 2)
    1: Reverse Flash (Season 1, 5, 9)

  • @s1ashisTrash
    @s1ashisTrash 10 місяців тому +1

    When you were talking about how there was a gender twist for Mirror Monarch, but Mirror Master is a different villain than Mirror Monarch. Mirror Master does also make a few appearances in the CW show.

  • @jaxxpool9630
    @jaxxpool9630 11 місяців тому +3

    I disagree on Savitar. To me, he's one of the most poorly written villains in the entire Arrowverse. His entire backstory revolves around Team Flash shunning him, which is complete character assassination as I'm sure Team Flash wouldn't shut him out because he's a time remanent of Barry. I found his goals throughout the season to be very inconsistent. There are moments when it seems like he's set sights on killing Barry in the first half of the season, but his grand plan is to make him suffer by killing Iris. Then there's him wanting Tracy Brand dead, but later decides to use her speed force bazooka as the key to his plans. He doesn't seem to make up his mind. Also now that I'm thinking back, Savitar's pretty incompetent as a villain. He sends Frost to do errands against Team Flash when there's no reason he can just get the job done more efficiently himself. This plays in to how HR of all people saved Iris and foiled Savitar's endgame. So it makes Savitar a complete idiot.

    • @theflashdcuniverse
      @theflashdcuniverse 11 місяців тому +5

      So people need to act like robots and can't change their minds now? Be serious

    • @sathi9774
      @sathi9774 11 місяців тому

      He had to change his plans because of team flash meddling and he sent killer frost because he thought she’d get the job done and meanwhile he was upgrading and fixing his suit and trying to think of new ways to beat team flash

    • @DrJayPlays
      @DrJayPlays 11 місяців тому

      its almost like a smart person adapts to new circumstances.....

    • @jaxxpool9630
      @jaxxpool9630 11 місяців тому

      @@sathi9774 I don’t think you get my point. There are moments when Savitar can get something done without even having to deal with team Flash at all. One example is in episode 20, he didn’t need to send Frost to kill Tracy Brand when she was working in her science lab or whatever. He could’ve just located Brand, speed run in and kill her before Barry, Cisco and HR could get there in time. Another example is when HR freed Iris in Savitar s lair, Savitar had the chance to catch them in a second. But he just sends Frost, which wasted valuable time and gave HR the opening to save Iris. Also it’s not properly shown on screen why Savitar can’t run without his suit. You say he needs to upgrade it, but he doesn’t seem to concerned about wearing it whenever the plot allows it.

    • @jaxxpool9630
      @jaxxpool9630 11 місяців тому +1

      @@theflashdcuniverse What I mean is his goal is to kill Iris to make Barry suffer, but his actions in the first half of the season contradicts that since he sends the Rival to kill Barry and he tries to kill both Barry and Wally in episode 9. Also if his way to become a god was to use Tracy Brand’s speed bazooka, then that would mean he would’ve doomed his plan if Frost actually did kill Brand earlier. This is what I mean that his plans are so inconsistent.

  • @zai2578
    @zai2578 11 місяців тому +5

    I'm still confused how eobard ripped his head and went into his fake self

  • @SsjSolomon
    @SsjSolomon 11 місяців тому +2

    Nice thumbnail bro! Wow

  • @the_demon_dog
    @the_demon_dog 11 місяців тому +2

    I’m gonna be honest I don’t think for me it ever got bad even in season 9 especially when you stop comparing it to your favourite villain/season whatever also remember this was like a yearly thing so I don’t blame them for things like despero being human way too much or death storm not having enough screen time because every episode is 40 minutes and there’s normally around 13 episodes to make in a year plus the actors actually have to act and everything first so the cgi people have to wait for all that to be sent to them then they actually need to edit it all, so I think they do really good for the time they have and also combined with when certain actors were sick and other stuff in their personal life’s I think it’s impressive how much they can do even with a full team of people working on the show, the only problem I had with season 9 is I didn’t remember Eddie to well and I just finished watching every episode of the flash in order within multiple days without stop so I felt like I just didn’t know the character or his motivation that well.

  • @deoh.
    @deoh. 11 місяців тому +3

    original cicada isnt David but Orlin because of the changes in the timeline when XS helping Barry punch the satellite

    • @TheBlackLion001
      @TheBlackLion001  11 місяців тому +3

      Yeah but that wasn't a cool twist or anything, they just kinda mentioned it, it was unnecessary.

    • @flashseason82ndbestericdid
      @flashseason82ndbestericdid 11 місяців тому +1

      @@TheBlackLion001 u said In your review for episode 5x03 it was good that they changed cicada name

    • @TheBlackLion001
      @TheBlackLion001  11 місяців тому +2

      ​@@flashseason82ndbestericdid bruh that was like 5 years ago

  • @marcusyates3044
    @marcusyates3044 11 місяців тому +3

    Barry Allen or Wally West; who would be the front-and-center Flash in the DCU?

  • @steveplaceholder6522
    @steveplaceholder6522 11 місяців тому +2

    Does anybody remember that one scene where Deathstorm just ruthlessly kills a old man? That made me one of my favorite villains

  • @kryztanzeusawayan8805
    @kryztanzeusawayan8805 11 місяців тому +2

    You know what would've been a good episode?
    If in the speedforce villain arc, they made the flash and friends lose their power and they dedicate one episode without superpowers just their own smarts and they create their own speedforce kinda like what reverse flash did.
    I havent watched the flash so i m not sure if they did it, but im pretty sure they wouldnt cuz the producers would think "what? An episode without superpowers? That'd be boring"

  • @FlarrowSpider
    @FlarrowSpider 11 місяців тому +4

    #1 Reverse Flash
    His rivalry with the Flash is the best rivalry I've ever seen
    #2 Zoom
    Season 2 is my favorite season of TV ever
    #3 Bloodwork
    His arc was the best graphic novel because he was so well written and I think his episode in season 9 would've been a pretty good arc if it was stretched to more episodes
    #4 Cobalt blue
    I just love Eddie Thawne as both a good guy and a villain I honestly had no problems with the character himself
    #5 Deathstorm
    He's probably the scariest villain on the show and I thought he was very unique
    #6 Savitar
    I would've placed him higher if he was executed better in season 9 but in season 3 he was a perfect villain
    #7 Despero
    He was very interesting but the only thing I don't like is how Thawne was overshadowing him
    #8 the Thinker
    Neil Sandilands had a really good performance but the body swapping got repetitive overtime
    #9 Cicada
    He's pretty underrated, I like the concept of a meta-human Jack the ripper but when he got swapped for another Cicada he was ruined for me
    #10 Godspeed
    I liked him in season 6 but he had wasted potential in the other seasons
    #11 Mirror monarch
    Some parts of her were interesting but she had the worst defeat on the show and it didn't help that her story was dragged out
    #12 the Speedforce
    I like her as a character but the idea of her being a villain felt so over the top like if you went back in time before season 7 and told me that the Speedforce was gonna be a main villain I would say that you know nothing about The Flash, also her dialogue was cringe af
    #13 Red death
    She was the worst villain on the show, her acting was garbage, her motivation barely made any sense and SHE NEVER KILLED ANYBODY, "Cicada killed more people than the Red death" well that aged well...
    I don't really consider the negative forces as main villains because they were just filling in why Reverse Flash and Cobalt blue were the main villains of their arcs

    • @Eagle-fl4ck
      @Eagle-fl4ck 11 місяців тому

      How the fuck was deathstorm scary zoom was way more terrifying

    • @FlarrowSpider
      @FlarrowSpider 11 місяців тому +1

      @@Eagle-fl4ck Deathstorm's voice was scary and the way he possessed people was scary too, also the fact that he's a demon far from Hell is another thing that makes him scary and interesting, yes Zoom was scary too but I think Deathstorm's existence is more disturbing

    • @MaximumPrime
      @MaximumPrime 11 місяців тому +1

      Savitar is way above Cobalt Blue

    • @FlarrowSpider
      @FlarrowSpider 11 місяців тому +1

      @@MaximumPrime tbh I didn't really see flaws with Cobalt blue himself but I can understand some of the criticism, I would think that they're kinda equal but in season 3 Savitar had no flaws and I would've put him higher if he had more screentime in season 9 and wasn't easily defeated

  • @MalCorp-ej7xe
    @MalCorp-ej7xe 11 місяців тому +3

    Thawne is Barry's arch nemesis dummy and javicia leslie isnt a bad actress in batwoman

  • @artemisfowldragon
    @artemisfowldragon 11 місяців тому +1

    Honestly what gets me when I see the later seasons is that the costumes just get more and more restrictive? Like, you can see in the way the actors move, they don’t have the largest range of motion in those costumes, which makes their movements look so robotic and a little bit like a tokusetsu show, but without the fun. Or the physical acting.

  • @f3rnando065
    @f3rnando065 11 місяців тому +2

    my to 5 is:
    5: Bloodwork
    4: The Thinker
    3: Reverse Flash (season 1)
    2: Zoom
    1: Savitar

  • @tombstonerforever9374
    @tombstonerforever9374 11 місяців тому +3

    Rewrite the final season

  • @supapiece3439
    @supapiece3439 11 місяців тому +2

    I've been believing for years that Bloodwork was a leftover idea. I cannot believe that Wallace came up with his storyline.

  • @emilianovillarruelhernande343
    @emilianovillarruelhernande343 10 місяців тому

    Man i definitely didn’t miss out anything by stopping to watch after season 3

  • @adityamishra9b723
    @adityamishra9b723 11 місяців тому +2

    Hey black lion now that the arrowverse ended, can u rank all the seasons of the arrowverse ( if it is too hard than just include arrow and flash ) btw love ur videos

    • @TheBlackLion001
      @TheBlackLion001  11 місяців тому +7

      Yeah I haven't seen Batwoman like at all, Legends of tomorrow s5-7, most of Supergirl S5, Black Lightning S4... I don't intend to rank the seasons of the Arrowverse to each other ever again but I will make a video ranking every season of The Flash, in fact it's my next video.

    • @marlonclark1896
      @marlonclark1896 11 місяців тому

      @@TheBlackLion001 alright can't wait

  • @zackthezabarak739
    @zackthezabarak739 11 місяців тому +1

    Excellent list and I agree. Season 1 Reverse Flas was the best version. That said i greatly enjoyed all Reverse Flash Apperances season1-5 of the Flash ( and the season 9 episode with Matt, there is a reason it’s starting to be viewed as the best in the show) and all his Legend of Tomorrow appearances. Season 6-9 of Reverse Flash appearances ( minus the Matt one in Season 9) are all not only unnecessary, they just aren’t that good. Using the negative speed force to explain how he kept surviving was clever. And while more of a fan theory than confirmed, it’s implied that his multiple erasures are the reason for the increasingly hammy and over the top evil of the character. He kept becoming more vile with each time needing the negative speed force to survive, more of it poisoning his already bad guy soul. But the fact that we have to try to explain away the bad writing is probably the worst part, because this is just a fan theory I have from noticing he got progressively more evil after season 5 when he was deleted by the multiverse stuff and the constant deaths and revivals from timeline stuff.