Cherokee Six Modified for Speed

[@AviationFix]

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[@vumba1331]

According to the aerodynamic work carried out by NACA, the rounded tips like the aircraft used to have are the most inefficient and drag inducing of them all. The Erich Hoerner tip design that you have fitted there is rated at 95% so it is much better, hence the performance increase.

[@markjessurun1294]

Thanks for the Introduction 2 it was well explained and I see a passion there for Aviation !! Good Luck !!

[@AviationFix]

Thank you!

[@joenenninger971]

Love the Six...stable, reliable hauler....and ground effect landings.

[@alexdarcydestsimon3767]

Six seats, six pack, all is well.

[@CreepinCreeper145]

Saratoga has better ground effect, a bit too much though when you're going for a short field landing but yeah, very much a floaty and forgiving aircraft to land.

[@foesfly3047]

I appreciate you giving us a ‘tour’ of these mods! What is the opening just below the pilot side, cylinder head cooling inlet- carb/induction?

[@AviationFix]

The LoPresti Howl Cowl adds the cowl flap that the original 6/300 did not have.

[@cannon440]

All that & no before & after speed/climb results or PRICE.

[@AviationFix]

To be honest, we weren't the ones who installed the speed mods so we have to go through all of the documents to figure out a total price. It may be difficult to determine the actually cost after install. It is in the works, but sorry for the wait on this one. As for performance, we are beginning the process of putting together a long-term performance review but IFR training has been taking priority when it comes to our time.

[@hockeytops]

Maybe find a stock Cherokee 6 and do a side by side comparison (groundspeed, TAS)

[@dieseltu1035]

Cherokee 6 is fast. That's a good one.. big fat landing gear hanging out.

[@bryanarri3422]

Great editing, btw!

[@AviationFix]

Thanks!

[@meanhombre6]

Good information.... thank you.

[@AviationFix]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@JoshuaHambyOfficial]

Good stuff. Sweet plane there.

[@AviationFix]

Thank you!

[@milserpentine]

Why no wheel fairings, every archer owner I've read about claims they are very good at giving you a couple extra knots? Yes I know its not an archer but wheel fairings in general seem to have a major impact

[@AviationFix]

I think we briefly mention this in the video, but we usually do have them on. However, with Josh doing his PPL training in the Six, he decided to take them off to spare them from the hard landings.

[@arip9234]

No mention of cost , where to get it , is it a kit or separate parts, who/where to install and, how much more speed gained.

[@jeffersonfreitas9148]

And what was the new speed after all those changes??

[@AviationFix]

155-160 knots TAS

[@mcsky4p993]

@@AviationFix At what power setting ?

[@ammerudgrenda]

At what altitude and power setting?

[@bryanarri3422]

Thanks for the video! I’m young and dreaming right now, but this video is awesome! Any recommendations you have for a beginner to start to learn about flying while on the ground?

[@AviationFix]

Thanks for watching, we are glad you enjoyed the video! We would definitely recommend to just continue watching and learning off of UA-cam videos such as this. Another thing you could do is invest in a ground school. We highly recommend King Ground School as the go to learning method!

[@AviationFix]

If you have any further questions don’t hesitate to ask!

[@pilot3016]

Beautiful work! Engine cooling is the only area I cringe at a bit, but trust its all working out.

[@AviationFix]

We love it! The cowl flap allows us to get all the cylinder temperatures closer together than the stock cowling can.

[@pilot3016]

@@AviationFix Excellent! (Most of my flight time is in Sailplanes over the sierra, on oxygen...so I eliminated engine issues altogether. Chuckle.

[@AviationFix]

Haha, nice!

[@alexdarcydestsimon3767]

@@pilot3016 fliying high on oxygen ? ;-)

[@pilot3016]

@@alexdarcydestsimon3767 I would reach back and turn on the 02 at about 10,000 feet while climbing. Get the mask on and Ray Bans.. climbing at 700+ ft a minute. Perfect..02 secured at 12,000 ft... Uhh. Sometimes climbing at 1,000 ft a minute in the Minden Nevada thermals. Flying level with the nose on the horizon and the Variometer is screaming at you like Indians in a John Wayne movie. Amazing nature. Absolutely like being in heaven.

[@markseifried3959]

Hello, I was disappointed you didn't talk approximated cost and how many more knots the aircraft will fly. The main reason pilots add mods is to go faster. Many aircraft for sale ads talk about speed mods BUT not a one of them tells actual performance Improvement.

[@AviationFix]

The short answer: we didn’t own this plane before the speed mods were added so we have no idea how much they add. Our approximation is around 10 knots.

[@AClark-gs5gl]

Informative video and appreciated!
🙏🇺🇲💪

[@danielbaker1897]

How fast is your Cherokee with all those speed mods? I’m interested in doing the same but wonder how fast it is now.

[@AviationFix]

We cruise around 145-150 knots indicated, so there is a decent improvement. However, depending on what mods you are planning on adding, the cost for the speed increase isn’t worth it. Fortunately for us, the previous owner installed all the mods 😁

[@jcijr14]

@@AviationFix indicated??

[@AviationFix]

Yes, true airspeed is around 160 I believe.

[@Ddurocher82]

What would the cost be to add these speed mods.

[@alexdarcydestsimon3767]

@@AviationFix 160 kt true airspeed. that's the information i was looking for.

[@PedroOliveira-tn2qf]

Hi from Portugal. What was the total cost of those Lopresti upgrades? Thanks

[@AviationFix]

The previous owner of 05B put them on, so not sure. Sorry!

[@christopherbatty3837]

I operated five. X 1 260. X 4 300. 1st saw 130kt. 2nd saw 135 kt. High MTOW + usually ISA+ 70% POWER/2400, rich of peak.
So...WHAT power/DA is your quoted TAS ? As aircaft engineer, I can see some mods causing less drag, but cannot believe what you quoted....not with that wing.

[@alexdarcydestsimon3767]

A stock PA32 has a 146 kt Cruise speed.
What speed improvement with the Lo Presti stc ?

[@AviationFix]

We are planning on doing some extensive flight testing hopefully soon to figure out the exact numbers. From our rough calculations we see about 155 true.

[@alexdarcydestsimon3767]

@@AviationFix would be nice !

[@klrmoto]

Has the wing spar AD been completed?

[@sugebzzy2038]

Great video. Did you get all your mods done by the same company? If so, can you share the name or contact?

[@AviationFix]

Mods were on the airplane when we bought it.

[@naijapilotxmax6006]

This is huge I must say. Did you do any paper work for it?

[@AviationFix]

What do you mean when referring to paper work?

[@aviatorpilot21]

Probably asking about 337 & STC, etc.

[@PistolPackingPilot]

Cost of these mods?

[@AviationFix]

These were installed by a previous owner, so not entirely sure what it would all cost installed today. Back in 1999 the plane had about $100k worth of upgrades - most of which were these speed mods in addition to some avionics.

[@Johnwayne1968]

Check your ad for Piper Cherokee

[@AviationFix]

Are you referring to the wing spar airworthiness directive?

[@kombolasha]

What does Josh's training have to do with wheel pants??

[@AviationFix]

Hey kombolasha, Josh here! Great question! Wheel pants are somewhat sensitive to harsh landings, meaning they can crack if you bounce it or just don’t flair enough. Student pilots often struggle with smooth landings, at least at the beginning of training. Since a new set would run us around $3,000, we decided to just remove them for my training and reinstall them once I perfect my landings. Hope this helps!

[@kombolasha]

@@AviationFix Thanks for taking the time to explain!

[@AviationFix]

No problem!

[@steveatx8295]

would love your help finding a Piper Cherokee Six

[@AviationFix]

Not sure how much help we can be seeing as we’ve only done this once lol, but we’ll try to give you some pointers! First of all if you haven’t seen our video on purchasing N2905B, go check check it out. We share some valuable information pertaining to the pre-purchase inspection and just general tips you could use to make the purchase process smoother. As far as finding the actual plane goes, look on Controller, Trade a Plane, or WingSwap. Those are pretty much the 3 main websites used to sell GA aircraft. As I’m sure you probably already know, the 1979 6/300 has some desirable features not seen on earlier models. The most prominent is probably the fuel tank system, and for that it’s worth the extra cash if you have it. As far as time on engine goes, don’t be afraid to get one with high time and have it overhauled before you even fly it, just make sure you take into consideration the cost of the overhaul. If you have any questions don’t hesitate to reply or to make a new comment on one of our other videos! Thanks for watching!

[@lewiscalderon3118]

im looking for one as well if you found ours and saw something else worth buying.

[@brianbrickley8229]

How much airspeed did each mod add?

[@AviationFix]

Unfortunately we don’t really know the answer to this because they were all installed by the previous owner.

[@burliesanford1863]

So what are the final numbers in speed after the mods. ?

[@AviationFix]

We generally see around 150-155 true. We plan to run a full flight test profile on the plane later this summer with a Aerospace Engineer friend to get detailed numbers and hope to post a video about it!

[@dond5536]

As stated previously I owed a Cherokee six for 20 years You can get your private license in one of these. It is possible but one thing you need to make sure of is your insurance company. I was told by my insurance company that due to the fact that it is classified as a high performance airplane that getting your private pilots license in it would invalidate my insurance. Could vary from insurance company to company. Just make sure that you are covered BEFORE you do it. Still one of the best airplanes ever built and the mods they have done just increase the great looks of the plane as well as the speed.

[@AviationFix]

Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! We 100% agree, make sure your insurance will cover you before starting lessons in any airplane. For us, we had no issue getting them to insure Josh for his training... just bumped the rates a bit.

[@tstanley01]

Averages out to about $7500 per knot....

[@AviationFix]

Haha, pretty much

[@GreenGuyDIY]

I really take issue with the C-150 vs PA28-300 statement for training. Talk to some seasoned CFIs on that. You need to watch Dan Millican's video about making you tube videos on Taking Off. Review your script more. You did not anticipate the obvious questions which shows in the comments from others below such as what were the speed improvements and for how much? This video is about "speed mods" right? The jump cuts are so annoying. If you make a mistake in the shot do it over. Jump cutting around it is just plain lazy. If you have to cut go to a new angle but only do it if the idea being communicated is changing or taking a new direction. If a cut does not lineup with the punctuation in the your script, a red flag should go up. Justify it.
I will leave on a positive note. Your sound was overall good. I difficult environment to be sure with wind in the trees but it did not interfere with the vocal. A+ for fixing the camera or getting someone else to hold it.