Fly Your Own Airplane - Buying a Cherokee Six 300
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- Опубліковано 29 кві 2020
- How to buy and fly your own airplane! Learn how we bought and renovated our Cherokee Six 300 - this is the story of N2905B, the AviationFix 1979 Piper Cherokee Six (PA32-300). From paint and exterior upgrades, to engine overhaul, we talk about everything you need to know before buying a plane. If you want to learn how to fly an airplane, this is a great place to start. We talk about the ins and outs of airplane purchase, and ownership. Owning a plane has its challenges, but is one of the most rewarding things you can do! It allows you to fly your own private airplane and experience adventures that would otherwise be impossible. That’s why we created AviationFix - our goal is to connect you with meaningful stories about pilots, airplanes, and flying. We hope you catch the aviation bug and come join this awesome community!
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Hello I am thinking about buying the same type of aircraft.What numbers can I look at for inspections and general maintenance? Thanks for the help bud loved your video.
Looking to purchase a 6/300 can you name the mechanics shop that you used that niche in these planes?
@@kwcars4355 We used Griffing Aviation out of Port Clinton KPCW
@@AviationFix Thank you so much!
I owned one for 12 years before stepping up to a Saratoga. Loved that plane, it was very capable. Flew it across the country and down to St. Croix. Never had any engine problems and always did what I asked her to do. Yup I miss that plane!
Did you notice a large performance increase from the Cherokee to the Saratoga?
I’m curious as well. Why did you choose to upgrade to the Saratoga?
At the time I was needing to upgrade to ADS-B, had mid time engines, AP not working, looking for something newer and my family told me that if it didn’t have at least 6 places they didn’t want it! The Saratoga is turbocharged and flys higher, faster and farther, but still miss that utility and simplicity of my ‘68 Six.
Someday. At the moment I own a $50 biclycle.
Same
At least you have a bicycle 🚲
You're an impressive young man. You presented your video very well, spoke clearly, concisely and detailed the pros and cons of your aeroplane quite factually. It's an excellent presentation for which you should be justly proud. Five stars.
Thank you very much!
Consice & well put together. I really enjoyed hearing you your growing pains & leap to the next level.
Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed!
thats a beautiful plane. Love the exterior take off footage at the beginning. Engine sounds great.
Great video!!! I’m so interested in not only flying but also getting my “Aviation Fix.”
Thanks for sharing!!!
Great Video !!! Thanks for sharing…
Thank you, glad you enjoyed!
Very cool thank you for explaing so well to a newbe
Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment!
I'm in. Just subscribed! Great video and awesome plane. My son is 15 and is 4 hrs in with his PPL training. I like seeing you and your dad flying together. Can't wait to see where your adventures take you. Good luck!
Thank you so much! Tell your son good luck for us!
Thanks!
I’m young and when im older I want to buy a cherokee 6 300 with six seats bc I want to fly all over with my family
That’s a great goal! The Cherokee six can really haul a lot with decent speeds as well!
AviationFix I am trying to learn as much about airplanes as you and I would love to get a lot more information about what shop are good and also to know what planes are good and not and the best websites to find planes from you cause I just saw you recently and now I’m just glued to you
Love that IKEA desk! Oh... and the SIX of course.
Haha, thanks!
Congrats! Great video
Thank you!
Nothing quite like a six!
Very true!
Cool video. I’ve been getting the itch for one of these Cherokee Six’s or Lance / Saratoga rather because of the six place seating. I flew them decades ago and now looking forward to owning one.
Glad you enjoyed the video! It’s really hard to beat these airplanes, hope you find the perfect one for you!
Nice video. I also own a 1979 PA-32-300. I'm based at KLDJ (Linden, NJ). It's N2170V.
Wow! Stumbled onto your video. What a very good and articulate speaker. Great editing as well. Arrow owner here and have been tempted to move to the 300🤔
Thanks for watching! It’s hard to beat the performance and useful load of the 6/300!
Nice video!
Thank you!
Good Job!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it:)
Airport Brat at ten years old 1970. I have flown Jenny's Tiger Moth's, Stearmans, Midget Mustangs, T6's, Aeronca Champs, Citaboria's, Luscombe's, Cessna, Piper, and home built. I love that Hershey Bar Wing on a 6. That bird will let you set down on a red dirt road in Georgia at your Grandmothers house. Me in a B-17 pic.
Keep on learning
Will do! Thanks for watching!
Amazing video! How do you not have more subs?
Idk lol, share the channel if you want to help with that! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! Means a lot
Great video. I've been flying since 2003 and have been financially grounded. I've been looking up all I can about the six since I think it might be the plane I get after I leave the dumpster fire that is Kalifornia and can actually afford a plane. Since my dad flies and we go places together the six seats make sense.
The more I research the more I think I want one.
Piper Cherokee 6 is a wonderful plane
Yes it is!
Nice
Thanks!
Very cool good video
Thank you very much!
first time I've seen this channel is instantly like And subscribe. I have a Cherokee 6 300 on my vision board. Also I want. I'll take any advice you have.
I have been looking for a Cherokee 6 for my family as I fly an archer or a 172 at a flying club. I need the extra useful load also and maybe some AC ?? Lol. Anyway congratulations and enjoy that plane.
Great video. Just curious where you purchased your desk with built-in monitor mount?
Best six seat single piston ever.
Agreed.
However, I subscribed, nevertheless because ultimately your Content is valuable.
Great vid. Could you please break down the costs? Acquisition, mechanical repairs, upgrades etc?
An outrageous amount of money. Probably 150ish for the plane and all that work? At least another 20k. All in this looks like 200k. If it was less that's awesome.
Put vg on the Cherokee, I did it on mine and it really helped.
Was yours a PA32? I am interested in the VG's. Do you have any numbers...stall, rotate etc?
Peter G yes it was a 32 260, I never really did the numbers but I tried stalling it and I always had control of the plane
Always and I'll say always find a mechanic familiar with the plane, i own a cherokee6 as well the 144th one ever built
Couldn’t agree more! We go through arguably the best Saratoga / Six shop in the Midwest.
Great video you are an excellent speaker can you tell us how tall you or your father or instructor are in that plane I'm six foot five and I'm curious about fitting into certain planes.
We're both around 6ft, and our instructor is a little taller than that. We fit comfortably in the plane, and I've taken another pilot up who is about 6'5" and he was comfortable too. It isn't going to have quite as much headroom as a bonanza but is much much wider. The best advice I can give is to reach out to the community and find someone at a local airport with a Cherokee six or Saratoga to sit in. I'm sure they'd even be willing to take you for a ride!
Not a pilot but have always loved aviation and even though I’m 65, I thinking of getting my PPL. If I ever own a plane, it would be a Cherokee 6 if I could afford it. It seems to offer so much more for the price than any of the Cessnas.
It’s never too late to get your PPL. Go for it, you won’t regret it!
Got mine at 55. Do it! You won’t regret it
Love the Cherokee six! Currently in the process of narrowing down the planes that fit my mission to purchase in the near future and the Cherokee Six is one. My question to you is what is real world numbers for take off performance? I reside on a 2300ft strip in the midwest and was curious if that length runway would be a issue?
It can definitely do a 2300ft runway, but for safety purposes we would never try that anywhere near gross weight. You can watch our “FLYING TO BAHAMAS OF OHIO IN A PRIVATE PLANE VIDEO” to get an idea of how it would perform on a short strip (2200ft), but again we were fairly light that day. Also, it depends on if the end of the runway is clear of obstacles or not. Thanks for asking!
Great vid and beautiful plane! Hopefully I can get my license and be in the air with you soon! With 2 kids and a 40+ hr a week job, it's gonna be tough. Any pointers for someone who is just starting down the path of becoming licensed? Like go to a school or do private lessons? Thanks again!
Hi Rob! Thank you for the view, comment, and subscription. We're glad to have you in the community as you begin your journey to get your license! You're absolutely right that it's going to be tough to balance everything, but you won't regret it for a second. As you begin to learn, invest in King ground school. It is an online-based ground instruction system that is used by tons of pilots, ourselves included. Invest spare time in learning this content well before you take your written test. I set a goal of achieving a minimum of 90% on all of my practice tests before a went to the testing center to take the real one. As far as flight instruction, I would recommend going with a private instructor vs a school unless you plan to fly professionally. Go to your local airport and ask around to find an instructor with a good reputation. It will be a huge benefit if you can find someone who has experience flying corporately or in the airline business as they will teach a much more structured approach to flying. Check out the AQP Grassroots training plan over on Aviation101 (Josh Flowers) youtube channel. I'd try to get your instructor on board with that type of training from the get-go. If they are hesitant about it, then maybe find another instructor who is more concerned with making you a safe pilot. Hope this helped!
@@AviationFix wow! I have to say thank you so much for that reply! I'm really overwhelmed and excited about starting this journey and you don't know how much it means to have the first person I've reached out to in the aviation community take the time to answer so thoroughly and have such an awesome attitude! I will definitely do the ground school online when I can fit it in and do my research on a trainer. There is a small airport that is about a 10 min walk from my house and might just have to stop by. Thanks again and looking forward to some more awesome content! Also, I hope you don't mind if I ask you some questions from time to time 😁
I think you’ll find the aviation community overall really inviting and helpful! At any point through the process of getting your PPL, don’t hesitate to ask us questions. You can reach us at our email any time (email is in the video description). Once again good luck, all of us here at Aviation Fix are rooting for ya!
My community college offers ground school. Saves time and money if you have this option.
Hi there Kevin here in Brisbane Australia! I just bought my first aircraft a PA32 300
I would love to pick your brains on what you’ve found are good rules of thumb power settings for this aircraft
Cheers.
Hi, Kevin! The Operator's Manual for the Lycoming io-540 is a great place to learn about how to operate and keep your engine healthy. It will help you understand what you're doing when setting power for different phases of flight. That being said, when we're flying we use a table of power settings at different altitudes which is mounted on our sun visors. Here is a link to the pdf containing the table. It should be on page 12 ( www.bestinflight.net/DocLibrary/Lycoming%20Flyer%20110611.pdf ). We like to lean for cylinder temps. Don't just lean to what the chart says the fuel flow should be. Talking with people who have been around the Lycoming for a long time, you'll learn that you want to keep CHTs under 380 degrees for the longest lifespan out of the engine. You'll burn a bit more fuel, but you'll save the money in the long run when you can take the engine to, or past, TBO. So, we like to get our power set, then let the temps come down after leveling out, then lean to keep the hottest cylinder at 380 degrees. It is worth noting that we burn a little more fuel than most stock 6/300 aircraft since our engine has the LoPresti cowl and tends to keep things a little more confined and hotter. Hope this helped!
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Hi there my name is Kevin from Brisbane Australia
I just bought my first aircraft a Cherokee six 300 and I was just wondering if I could pick your brains in relation to power settings, rule of thumbs that you have now learned that I can use for best cruise power settings, climb power etc, my flying instructor told me to use 15 gallons per hour in cruise below 5000 feet my aircraft has no speed mods yet ! do you find they are good for saving a lot of fuel if so how much fuel approx do they save and which mods can you recommend or not ? Cheers Kevin
This seems like the perfect plane for what I want to do when I get my PPL some day. Flying with friends and family and being able to take enough luggage. Two questions, what is the highest you can fly? Also, I heard something about it having 4 fuel tanks in the wings and it being annoying to deal with selecting through them, how is that? Or is it just standard L, R, Off?
I believe the service ceiling is something like 16,500ft, but performance starts to drop around 10,000ft. As far as the fuel tank goes, pre 1979 had the 4 tanks which I believe had 4 selectors (don’t quote me on that). However, the 1979 model has a different type of system that allows the 4 tanks to feed together. This means that on the 1979 model there is only a L and a R position. Hope this helps a little! Thanks for watching and commenting!
AviationFix ok that’s great! Thank you!
Your video is grt........and can you suggest what will be the cost of 4 seater and 6 seater aircraft... minimum cost and also I am interested in single seater helicopter can you tell Thier minimum cost and website to buy
Great video, I’m contemplating to buy a Piper 6/300. Can you tell me what is complete engine overhaul cost? Ballpark?
My 80 Saratoga had a Penn Yan overhaul right before I bought it......receipt was about 65k
I don't have the exact number for our overhaul, but it was in the 45-50k range from Hyfast Aviation. Other engine accessories and a complete firewall forward re-do of wiring, hoses, etc were done by our shop on top of that cost.
Michael Lundin thanks Michael appreciated
AviationFix thank you so much 👍
Congrats on what seems to be a fantastic plane!
Q: Is useful load about 1,600lbs? If so, are you able to travel full fuel and 6 adults? If so, what would be the fuel burn?
I’m just not sure if my calculations are right...
1,600lbs (useful load)
- 560lbs (or 84 gallons full fuel)
- 220lbs pilot
- 220lbs male pax
- 170lbs male pax
- 150lbs female pax
- 120lbs female pax
- 120lbs female pax
= 40lbs remaining in useful load.
And if I’m not mistaken you’d still have 200lbs baggage capacity??
Please let me know as I’m not sure if this would be a correct way of analyzing useful load. If the analysis is accurate, but useful load isn’t 1,600lbs please let me know how much it actually is. Thanks and again congrats on your purchase. Keep the videos coming.
Greetings from Santa Cruz, Bolivia!
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment! Useful load is around 1240lbs. You won’t see anything near 1,600lbs unless you have a completely stock 6/260, and even then you’ll see 14,000-1,500lbs. Also, to answer your question on fuel, we can hold 98 gallons and burn it at ~ 18gph. If you see lower fuel burn than that, people are either flying 6/260’s or flying lean of peak. For the sake of our engine we would rather pay the extra money in fuel then have to do a top overhaul after a few hundred hours.
AviationFix Thanks so much for your answer. I found a poh online and that poh does indicate a number much closer to the one you provide. What I noticed is that even at 1,600 (my previous example) usueful load it seems the center of gravity would be completely outside the envelope with 6 adults and full fuel. Maybe a twin could do the job, I’ll look into it 😁
Anyways, good job on your video, just overall content and explanation was simple yet entertaining and helpful. I hope I can afford a similar plane in the future. In the mean time it’s fun watching people enjoy their planes so much and share their experiences. We can all learn so much from each other! Congrats and safe flights in your future.
I’m glad we could help at least a little! Thanks for all the support! If you ever have any questions feel free to drop a comment or reach us at our email!
Can't wait to get my pilots licence also is this a good starter plane
Can’t wait to have another pilot in the sky! It depends on what size of aircraft you are comfortable flying, but the six handles very smoothly and is fairly easy to fly.
Hi can you outline costs and operational costs please?
Hi Steve! Just now getting to some of the older comments. We might do a video outlining costs in the near future. Seem to be a lot of people interested in that side of things.
Some day I want to get my license and buy my own plane. How much do you spend a year in maintenance?
Are you finding your cost / hour around $180-$20O?
How much does an engine overhaul cost on this aircraft?
Just under $40k with accessory overhauls.
What area do you guys live in? What shop do you use
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment! We are based out of Ashland Ohio and go through Griffing Flying Service for all our maintenance work!
I really enjoyed your video. I want to do exactly what you did to buy this plane. Could i pay you to help me with this process?
Haha thanks for the offer, but that’s what aircraft brokers are for.
What shop did you use for the engine OH? I cant seem to find it! Thanks
Thanks for watching! We got our overhaul done at HYFAST Aerospace LLC located in Parma, OH.
@@AviationFix Nice! Thanks so much
No problem! If you have any other questions feel free to drop a comment on our most recent video or email us!
While I love the Cherokees, a Comanche is more for me. High load, high speeds, low costs
As long as you don’t need 6 seat, the Comanche is an amazing plane!
AviationFix I mean they made a few 6 seater Comanche 260Bs so
Didn’t realize that, haha. They definitely have the useful load for it!
How about some performance numbers?
A lot of people have been asking about what kind of performance we get will all the mods, so we’re just going to make a video on it! Stay tuned for the performance video (probably releasing in the next few weeks)
Did you keep the vacuum system?
Other than the G5, all of our main flight instruments are analog. So yes, we do still have the vacuum system. Thanks for the question!
how do you go about buying a plane with no prior knowledge? is there certain websites that are trustworthy?
You can do your own research to build knowledge, but at the end of the day that’s why aircraft brokers exist. They guide you through the purchase process as well as do all the complicated aspects for you. If you’re looking into something like a Saratoga or Six, we highly recommend you go through Bartelt Aviation.
What is your cruise speed?
Great question! We’ve had a lot of people ask this, so we decided just to make a video on it. Stay tuned for a speed mod/ performance video releasing in the next week or so!
How much $$ did you pay for the plane? How much $$ was the engine overhaul? Were there other things done to the plane besides the overhaul and how much did that cost? I want to know this detail because I am interested in a used 6 seater . .
We might do a cost breakdown in a future video.
That would be great.
What was the listing price for N2905B when you bought it?
I believe list was somewhere in the ballpark of 115k, but obviously that didn't include the engine/accessories overhaul or any of the first annual maintenance items.
@@AviationFix Thanks, looks like an amazing plane
Name of a web site to purchase a plane like this... Thanks !
Controller and Trade A Plane are probably the best places to find aircraft for sale
hello! I am colour blind and was wandering if I can be a general aviation pilot? Thanks!
I’m not 100% sure on the regulations, but I believe you can! Depending on the severity you might not be able to fly at night, but I’m almost positive you can get your private pilots license!
@@AviationFix yes you absolutely can. You would need to apply for a statement of demonstrated ability (SODA) from the FAA (if you're in the U.S.). You basically just have to prove that you can fly safely.
Thanks for the help / clarification!
@@AviationFix thank you so much!
@@adameardley1613 thank you!!!
What's the price
I have a question... Knowing your current Cherokee 6 and being a newer pilot, would you have step into the 6 and skipped the piper Cherokee? Maybe even done your training in the 6? Im currently training but I believe the 6 will be the plane of choice (unless a screaming deal comes up on a Kodiak, like for $30k). I know you're not an instructor but from the viewpoint of owning your own plane and instruments that you like. It would take more instructor time but it seems to me all in all less $$$ and focus training. Hind sight . 20-20 and all that. Just like to know your thoughts... Thx
I learned in a Cherokee 140 not only because it is a good trainer, but also because it is what my father owned at the time. My 17 year old brother actually just got his student certificate and will start training in the six. I would say, as well as our instructor, learn in the plane you intend to fly. If you are going to buy a six, I don’t think their is really any point in learning in a different type and then learning how to fly a six. Another point in favor of training in a six would be this: your base understanding of an airplane would be a complex type aircraft. This would save you a lot of time if you intend in flying even more complex airplanes in the future (as well as making you an overall better pilot). In conclusion, as long as you are comfortable learning in a heavier, more complex airplane (and you can get insurance) I think it would benefit you to learn in a Cherokee six instead of a typical trainer.
Shelter in place? What fools we were.
Who was your broker
Bartelt out of Michigan
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Where is your favorite $100.00 hamburger in Ohio?
KPCW for sure!
I agree its a great place to eat. I will be parking my plane there in June to go walleye fishing. I like KTSO a lot too. Their pies are great.
That’s definitely another favorite of ours!
UA-cam is full of incidents where people "ran the numbers" and decided it was safe to take off, and barely made it or didn't make it. #1 to me is that you have no idea what compression your engines is making at that time, and ergo power. Also you most likely are working off weather ATIS AWOS that are not the correct temp right at takeoff, and then there's fuel quality [heat rate/octane #] and prolly #3 would be rigging and parasitic drag tire inflation. With so many variables unknown, it's real hard to know how much to pad your numbers, as those are demonstrated on a brand new aircraft by factory test pilots. I would say as mush as a 12-15% margin is about right where temps are uncertain and/or the engine is not far from TBO.
Why the frantic Repetitive Intrusive pseudo-music? UA-cam must require it these days because it appears to be prevalent. Also, in your Equipment List, I do not see any Clip-On or Lavaliere microphone.