I've had a fat tire ebike for 5 years and it handles great as long as you've got the tire pressure high. On road I run typically around 30 psi and it handles similar to a motorcycle, but once you get the pressure below 15 psi, which is great for trails and loose stuff, you can really start to feel the sidewall flex when turning and it's not fun to ride on asphalt, especially at high speed.
Frankly at "overpressures" the rolling resistance and handling on pavement is really not far off from regular MTBs, I was really shocked at how high I could get the average speed even on trips of more than 20 miles. Its only 15% less than my "normal" bikes. I regularly use my unpowered fatbike that has 4.8s when i go for mixed surface trips, its totally acceptable when on the pavement during transitions and so nice on the corrugated to hell and back dirt roads. I'm not much of a off-roader so my technical routes are always fairly tame so i can't speak on that aspect with authority. Also if there's really extreme surfaces its best to have a battery powered compressor on you to quickly adjust pressure.
I have a bosch gen 4 fatbike. I think it's great. On asphalt it's not the smoothest ride however since most tires have pretty aggressive tread patterns. Much smoother when riding offroad or on gravel roads. It's also awesome in the winter with studded tires. Riding on extremely slippery ice is like riding on gravel.
Absolutely… I’d say don’t get a fat bike if you life in perfectly paved flat lander city with no curbs, never plan on off road or adventure trails, don’t care about aggressive appearance…. Otherwise GET a fat tire bike 😂
I love how short and to the point some of these videos are. I put a Curry Electric bike kit with a 24 volt lead acid on to my Schwinn hybrid 21 years ago. I think it is time to revisit my interest in this! Subscribed!
I have a bafang ultra on my fatbike just keep the 4" tires on it and got studded terene cake eaters for winter Just add a bit more psi to the tires for street and they feel normal After 2 weeks I sold my non fatbike it felt so unstable and the bar width was so much shorter I think that was the main issue
I got the ridstar q20 1500 Watt fat bike and it was just 1,000 dollars and already got 1400 miles on it. Had to get better tires and the tannus armour in liners for it. It's a great commute bike and gets up to 33 mph.
I commute and micro tour on a fatbike. Commute is 16km each way. I've ridden the Cabot Trail (300km 4100m climbing, 3 days) on a fat bike. Not comfortable? That's just not true! Way more comfortable than my road bike... and on a 16km trip to town only 5-10 minutes slower, but way more fun. Sandy patch? Loose gravel? Rocks and other crap on the road? Dont even notice. Haha
I have a folding e-bike and I have almost 2000 miles on it It works great with no problems. There may be some folding bikes that would not work out as a home build however. The one I have was made to be electric.
What do you have , I need to buy an ebike ASAP and not sure what to buy , I don't need to travel with it as I'll be using it to ride on the road for exercise and everyday shopping trips , but I am just thinking that if something was to go wrong with it I have no way of getting it to a shop for repair ? You help appreciated 🙂
Fat bikes with mid drives... They’re kicking on canal and river paths. Great in the woods and on mountains and hills too! I love the extra traction and confidence on rocky or shingly mountain and hill tracks (getting old... injuries don’t heal well). In my opinion, mid drive motors on fat bikes makes a lot of sense... a little help getting over the rolling resistance. 😊 also makes my Surly Pugsley towing a trailer a lot easier. Of my three bikes the ebike Pugsley is the most pleasurable to ride. Keep up with the good vids dude 👍
@@davidelliott5843 I agree! I have a BOB Ibex, Burley Coho and Burley Nomad. For narrow canal and river tow paths single wheel trailers rule! The Burley Coho is the only single wheel that fits perfectly behind the offset Pugsley. The Extrawheel Mate is another great option.
I have had 2 fatbikes I converted to electric, the best bikes I ever had. 😁Anywhere I've taken them, they've delivered. Next is putting on semi-slicks on them. P.s. Fat tires work on the pavement, look at motorbikes 😄They suck if you have no motor, but if you do, then it's great.
Hey! I have a fat tire ebike and yes it’s heavy like a donkey or mule (92lbs), but I like my fat tire E-Donkey bike. I can carry anything like a dead ☠️ pig 🐖 from the deep forest 🌳 and then eat it. That’s how I role.
Thanks for this one. I also just commented in one of your video on doing bike conversions and said that my project bike is a 35 yr old Bridgestone hardtail MTB. I take it out on trails and load up with my camera gear so this power assist is just to help out my 70 yr old knees without breaking the bank. I’ll update when my project comes to fruition
Ohh well, I just spend 2 hours looking for an ebike that fits in my trunk - foldable + fat tires ; ))) now you got me wondering ... I guess I ve to watch some of your videos to learn more about conversion and bafang motors. Thx a lot for your videos!!
Cheap Chinese Fat dual suspension bikes are rubbish ,try riding one down a set of stairs and find out the hard way,the rear suspension barely moves lucky to have 20 mm of travel ,the fat tyres are unnecessary with decent suspension and just drain battery power and make pedaling near impossible without battery,also the groupset quality is rubbish,brakes are cable barely work and the all metal parts rust within weeks of buying one,if you get a year of life out of on your doing well
Fat bikes are better on asfalt if you replace the tires to slicks. I love fat bikes because they are very comfortable and I can go over anything and go anywhere.
i will say after riding my DIY fatbike for now 2 years as a commuter, after changing some things it has been great. im using thinner rims that make the tire profile more round so handling isnt too bad. thou i am 6'6" and 300lbs, so i feel better on it than most MTBs. its not for everyone but its not something that should be avoided completely. also u can do 3.5" tires (currently run 4in mammoths in back, and 3.5" vee speedsters in front). handles 35mph really well especially after swapping the front fork for a doublecrown rigid fork :D
@@kazhankazhanovych6895 more rigid, less flex under heavy braking or turning, better transmittion of road feel to the bars. But be aware double crowns can stress a cheap frame with low quality welds.
Continue . You are calling like it is . I just a built a E Bike Mongoose Mack . 750 watt E Drive. 52 volt battery Pac. It is taking me farther . Plus enjoying riding . I would be not Biking , If not for this new technology Not saying age is a issue . This is the reason I got back into Biking. Thank You!! I'm 54 years of age.
Even though the handling is a little worse on E fat bikes than normal mountain bikes, the stability at higher speeds is way better and I think it would serve perfect for an all season commuter, and that is worth it to me. I dont like feeling the shakiness on thinner tires when maintaining higher speeds.
The electric motor kind of offsets the disadvantages of fat bike wheels and tires. Your totally right about folders and i feel that full sus has a lot of the same issues. Also 700c wheel bikes that don't have room for at least 32c tires and fenders are probably best for people who already really know what they are doing and don't need our help.
I second both of your opinions , with all due respect I love my full size fat bike , because it gets attention of the drivers on the road just because its huge , secondly I love my folding rad runner because its got 3.3 inch wide tires and i have taken it everywhere in my cars trunk and it can go places.
Shepherdschapelcom Theseasonorg explains the whole Bible God bless 1. KNOW that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23 2. UNDERSTAND the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23 3. CONFESS that Jesus Christ is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead. Romans 10:9 4. REPENT of your sins Luke 13:3 5. READ and STUDY God's Word to show yourself approved. 2 Timothy 2:15 6. PUT ON the whole armor of God. Ephesians 6:11 7. BEWARE of the son of perdition who is coming first disguised as Jesus to oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or worshipped. 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4 8. WATCH and PRAY until the true Christ returns. Luke 12:37 Remain as a chaste virgin waiting for her true husband (Christ). 2 Corinthians 11:2.
I'm sorry but this guy is dead wrong about fat bikes. I have a Himiway Cruiser and I'm honestly worried about the ride when I build my non fat bike 29er. The fat tires add so much more stability to the ride at higher speeds. It also smooths out the ride a lot. Yes, there's a trade off with rolling resistance, but a 750 watt motor negates that trade off. not to mention being able to ride in the snow, making it a viable year round commuter. I wouldn't trade my fat bike for any other bike.
I just shot a video on my ebike with fat tires--I am an ex mountainbiker--and have a video where I go over railroad tracks on a rural road and the space between the road and tracks is almos as wide as a fat tire and i explain that i feel way better on my fat tire ebike then i would a normal mountain bike.I would honestly upgrade the ebike--I have a 1000 watt motor i just got to make mine 1 wd
So true! I repeatedly popped my 2 gas "Dixie's"s with 750 (mm?) tires,and would drive on the rims back,because of the distance . Then the tires are coming off the rims and going into bad places...
Folding bikes and fat bikes have specific purpose, if you need it get it but dont get it for the cool factor, I got a folding ebike from fiido and it's ok but not great, I did consider a fat bike but decided the downsides outweighed any advantages it might have, in the end i just converted standard full suspension mountain bikes and am very happy, comfortable enough and great range.
this is a very important review since I am not familiar with all bike designs. I almost bought a used folding e-bike since it looked like a quality bike, it would be easy to store/transport in my car without a bike rack (a quality bike rack is expensive), and the price for the ebike I saw for sale was reasonable. But I will be riding on roads with potholes and even dirt/gravel trails. So I will exclude those types. The fat bike I might consider because I am not using an bike for commuting and I have tall and heavy.
Ive got a nice bike to convert into electric with the bafang motor kit. My only question is, will my handle bars work with it? They are not straight but the traditional curved style.
I disagree. I've owned my 500w UK version of Lectric XP (almost identical) for 6 months with 20" rims and 4" fat Kenda tyres . Yes, the geometry is upright and aimed at the older rider but with an after market £15 sprung saddle it is perfect for commuting on London's potholed roads. Fat tyres provide huge confidence on fast downhill bends plus greatly improved stopping power as all that rubber grips the road. I've ridden countless miles on gravel, forest trails, beaches, marshland and a little snow. It folds easily (got it down to 5 seconds now) and sets up the same feeling firm and secure. I've never felt safer or happier on a bike!
I have to second that. I just got my lectric 2.0 and this bike is awesome. It has everything you need. And it's foldable. This thing is built like a tank. I do agree that If you run out of battery 🔋. Peddling a 65 lb fat tire bike is going to be a problem. But then again if you plan your rides your in the clear. You can also buy a second battery if needed and switch it out. I have a kid seat in the back and take my son riding everywhere. It handles just fine. Also they came a inch down In size for the fat tire. It's 3inch for the 2.0. :)
yea i agree i got 2.0 tyres on MTB on london roads .....it all right but yea potholes is lethal ......it not lots small ones those can deal with .......there one those two inch pot holes hit em at 18mph and above on hard tail they can be lethal ..i found 1 in 3 those side roads have some lethal pot hole like 2 or more inch deep ........even more so if you one hand signalling ......ive hit couple pot holes one handed off guard either adjusting cycling gear etc etc .....
Yeah man, fatbikes and big tires are really nice to ride over all terrain like rocks and dirt and any curbs stairs etc... I don't think Johnnynerdout is just the right rider for a fatbike is all, no biggie!
My favourite part about this video is when he says "unless you need it". These aren't hard and fast rules, if you need a bike for the snow or sand, get a fat tire bike, if you need a bike for your limited space camper, get a folder. Fantastic short video, and valid points.
I own and daily ride three folding bike and none of them have "weird" geometry. I sit on my Dahon Jetstream rides the way I would on a mountain bike; my Dahon Hemingway is no different from any hybrid I've ever ridden, including my Trek 7.6 FX; and my Dahon Mu is drop handlebar and a pair of brifters away from being just like any road bike I've ever ridden.
I put a Bafang HD with a 52v 17ah battery on a barely used large Surly Krampus 29er and it is was everything I wanted in an E-bike. I found a medium used Surly Karate Monkey to build a bike for my wife. It had a bunch of minor paint scratches but it was inexpensive and a steel frame. I stripped the bike and decided to sand blast and repaint. I just wanted to make it pretty for my wife. I made the mistake of calling Surly to see if I could buy a new set of stickers for it somewhere. I also made the mistake of mentioning to the guy how much I loved my Krampus. The dude went crazy on me with lectures on how I am risking life and limb of others and myself using their bikes with electric mid drive motors. He is probably just a kid but I certainly am not. This guy kept at me 3-4 times with lecturing e-mails and all I wanted to do was to stop it. I am a 64 yr old retired electrical mechanical engineer who spent 45 years supporting high tech robotic equipment so I guess maybe I am a bit insulted and very aggravated. Bicycles and e-bikes are really simple straightforward machines. Only unmechanical people can make them complicated. There is so much info on line to build or fix just about anything these days if one has the motivation. I told the guy several times that I made a mistake of calling them and tried to make him understand that I wasn't looking for his advice or asking permission. I guess my only problem with the e-bike build is that it isn't really clear what frame limitations there are for suitable frame hosts. Seems like someone could make a great no compromise frame for e-bikes. Maybe they do and I haven't found it? Do you know of any frame limitations? If you have got past my ranting and that I am pissed at Surly I appreciate your indulgence. It's just the principle off it and believe me if they think they have the market cornered on (over priced steel china bikes} they are wrong. I still want to build my wife an e-bike and now I'm looking for another great frame for myself as well. I do like the 29er x 3.0 " tires and I have two great sets of 29er wheels . I have 2.5 " wide tires on the other set. I was planning on that set for the KM. Honestly that big Krampus frame is probably a little big for me and would rather have a medium something with a aggressive top tube angle for more leg and crotch clearance. I'm 5'10" and about 230lbs and a old beat up dude. A small or medium frame would be better for her with lots of leg clearance. There are so many frames to consider with all the steel , aluminum, carbon, titanium materials out there. Hardtail with or without front shocks , Full suspension ? So far I'm thinking one small and one medium. Hardtail with fixed front forks are fine. I'm not sure any shocks are worth the trouble for us especially with those huge 29er wheels and tires. Do have any suggestions for some good solid frames? I don't mind used or new and I'm looking to stay between 500 and 1000 bucks for each. It's just a me thing but I would love to get something that's made in the US or anywhere but China ...lol because the dang motor is a china product eh? If a steel bike is the best choice, there are some older US based framesets and I really like the looks of the new Canfield steel hardtails ( designed in the US but made in taiwan ...LOL again ....we're screwed. We can't even make bicycles here anymore. It's just greed I think and if one of these builders go chinese then they have to, it seems. As far as I'm concerned I would never go back to a bike without a motor if I had a choice. I love having the range and not worrying about getting back up huge hills and wind. I think the my e-bike experience is one of my favorite toys ever. Out of the garage day or night winter or summer anytime. I haven't even found a need to haul it anywhere by car. There's so much to explore right from my garage. I really love packing my fishing rod up and looking for new parts of the creeks around here. I love the accessibility of it. I've watched just about all of your video's and I really appreciate your honest opinions. There's so much who-ha B.S. on-line these days. I know from my limited e-bike experience that you tell it like it is. I wish I had all this e-bike info in the beginning. My two favorite toys for the last 3 years has been my Onewheels and my E-bike. I got burnt out chasing wind ,surf, and snow over the last 40 years . Accessibility is everything for me now. I'm glad I got to have these toys before I got too old. Thanks
I converted a free-to-me full aluminum, with shocks front and back. It was far too late to realize I should have gotten something with disc brakes and somewhere to actually put the battery and controller. It seemed a perfect coincidence until I actually started to try and get everything to fit well.
I was adding up the cost for converting my bike and it got up to 1000 dollars before shipping. Compare the price of maintaining and other unforseen happenings. And living in Juneau Alaska. I feel buying a ebike from my local awesome dealer is a better choice. All this typing and I just convinced myself and answered my own question. I'm cooking pizza. Hawaiian style add chicken.
I had a Brompton which was perfect for short trips to and from the rail station. It folded quick and was easy to carry. However, narrow handlebars, small wheels and short gear range limited its usefulness for any other purpose. More power could be dangerous and the added weight defeats its biggest advantage.. I differ on the folding electric fatbike. They are made to be put into the back of a car and will cope with the horrible roads of our cities. Drive to the edge of the city and e-bike into the office. A mountain bike is a better ride in all respects but will not go into the back of a car.
Weather more power is dangerous or not is completely up to the rider because it could easily translate into longer range instead of faster speed it's just up to you to decide and make the appropriate adjustment in your riding style
Johnny I love your videos. I have to kindly disagree about the fat bike conversion. I put a BBSHD on my 2017 Trek Farley and I love it. I think a fat bike is the perfect bike to electrify. It helps overcome the low tire pressures off road. Pump the tires up to max psi and it goes decent down the road. The wide axle widths allow you to swap to a narrow (27.5 or 29) wheel set too. I think no other bike can be such a Jack of all trades. Keep up the great vids!
Have a Specialized Fatboy that considering putting the same setup as your. Was wondering if you could run 29 standard Mtb wheels,came off my FS Camber that has carbon hoop now. What is the process for running 29 wheels change out what components. The Fatboy has 26 x 4 wheels at present.
Been watching all your vlogs over the last 2 weeks since I was diagnosed with a second brain tumour after 15 years. I've bought 2 old skool mountain bike frames a Marin a Scott and a bdshd kit which would have been built today if the seller of the spacers hadn't used the cheapest post ! Hopefully this week I'll feel the power of the bdshd. Then it's in hospital on Friday for the big operation the bike will be priceless during my recovery you will have saved my life.
Would you add an eccentric bottom bracket bike to this list? I have a giant seek 1 that I was thinking about converting and it seems pretty untenable due to the external bolts on the bottom bracket.
I’ve had a mongoose ctossway850 1995, it’s a 24.5 frame with great rake angle, I ❤️ it, thing is being a tall hefty fella, I butterflied the rear wheel doing a simple pram dip gutter, here in australia they’re like little half cups in shape. Do I go a rear wheel motor assy or mid hub drive, 7speed twist grip and STX rd m-series brakes which stop very good, moneys not really a issue, turned old 60 yr just last august, never got into bicycle engineering, I’m aero
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Luke 13:3 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ======_____======____=======
Mine is 26x47/52 (2.60) does 41mph. 1500w motor. Handles like a dream. Tannus armor under velociraptor feet. The bike itself was a $599.00 amazon purchase. Lol. I leave fat bikes in the dust!😂 great video, you nailed it! 👍
Any suggestion for a light weight alu frame hardtial MTB? I already converted my trek marlin 4 with a bafang bbshd but it kind of weighs too much in my opinion...Now Im looking for a light aluminium hardtail MTB
im thinking putting a bafang e motor mid drive on my Santa Cruzv10 (weight 16kg) but i dont know how many watts should i buy 750w or 1000w, can a 750watts run my heavy bike, thank you?
No problem here. I will just keep writing down my questions as I learn enough to ask them, till I know how many I will ask, and figure the time it will take to answer those. You know how to market your time, and that should prove worth the money I spend, whereas I will need good direction. These mid drives have finally arrived. One used to have to go through hell, and high water to rig those up, but now they have them to just fit into whatever bottom bracket you have. Once battery technology catches up, these puppies will get real good. Turn the young ones onto low end power, and keep them out of all the trouble of brake neck riding, that will only make trouble for all of us.
FAT tires in Florida are a must if you plan to leave the pavement because No mountain bike with standard tires will go through the deep sugar sand we have here on most trails. Heck, even our "dirt roads" are not actually dirt, they are SAND.
I’m in the process of converting a 1982 Raleigh Record ( 10 speed racing bike) with a swytch conversion and it’s not easy. The wheel supplied has 10mm axle width my forks are 8mm .They suggested I file 2 mm off the axle 😮
WHY!!!???... are 90% of the ebikes "MOUNTAIN"? WHY...are 97% 26 inch??? I'd think they would sell a lot more if they accommodated old(er) folks: Upright position, step thru, adjustable handlebar position, FENDERS!!! .... I having been riding every day for decades...
The very vague statement about folding ebikes having a "weird geometry" belies the fact that high handlebars promote better posture, which is better for your back, which leads to more bike riding. I have a folding, fat tire ebike. I call it an "fbike" because, the "f" stands for FUN! I've gotten it up to 36 mph. Last week I raced a guy who was driving a golf cart, I left him in the dust. I've had this bike for just under 3 weeks and have over 260 miles on it. So far, no fundamental issues with this fun bike.
No hate coming from me. But you are full of crap. Just kidding! 😅 I am the fat guy riding the fat tire bike. This bike is changing my life for the better. I just now got off of it. Instead of sitting home and watching television while eating, I got my fat ass on my fat bike and took a long ride. It is still killing my butt I'm assuming that will get better. I used to ride a lot and I don't remember it killing my butt. So I'm assuming this is going to get better. But I'm feeling better in every way other than that. My knees are better. My anxiety is better. And I'm starting to be a little less fat. Anyway, my point in writing is to say when speaking to a 60 year old fat guy, the words hardtail mountain bike translate to sit on some barbed wire, preferably rusty. To anyone else vegetating at home, this is the oldest you've ever been but it's the youngest you'll ever be. Get up and get moving. For me this fat tire ebike was the perfect starting point. It will not be the Finish. I have plans. Lol. Thanks for the video.
i bought a Gravel bike... my shitty city streets stuck. so the back rim can handle the extra weight and it really sucks, i've spent 100$ so far on replacing and getting time rim re trued. im honestly not sure what i want to do. i could buy new rim+hub and swap over my stuff. or i switch the bike back to manual pedaling and sell it off and buy a hardtail.. which is what im leaning in on, but i can not believe how expensive bikes have become. i thought having 1000$ would be enough and sure i can get used, but what i really wanted was a full mid range suspension bike which DOES NOT EXIST unless you have at min 1500$ and thats the low end... i cant even find used ones for 1000$ unless im buying like a walmart or dicks bike...
Fat bikes are popular among clueless consumers, just because they look cool, not because they are functional or efficient. Trust me I was one of those, I have owned three ebikes and the best most versatile tire width is between 2 and 3”. My Radcity 2.3” tires rides much better than my Radrover 4” tires ebike. 4” tires when inflated to max PSI gets bouncy balloonie and when you deflated to minimum are as inefficient as a walrus. In other words, don’t believe the Fatbike hype, it is consumer BS. Prominent and reputable brands like Riese & Müller, Stromer, Gazelle, etc don’t have a single Fatbike in their lineup. Schwalbe, the prestigious bike tire manufacturer only sells one fat tire among hundreds of models they sell.
Synopsis: Buy the style of bike that best suits you. Don't involve your aspirations, or what you "want" to do with it, instead focus on how you WILL use the bike.
2.5 inch tires are absolutely big tires, you can do anything on them and compared to 4 inch... yeah you don't want that...i would go with 1.95 if i had a choice. And why are bike tires so expensive these days? Upwards of a hundred bucks for run of the mill mountain bike tires
I disagree with the fat bike. Just got one a month ago, planning to convert. Conversion will be using 19 moto rim, with moto tires. No more flats(or very rare).
I have a folding bike I converted with Bafang 750W, but would agree it's not first or even third choice bike frame. It's super heavy w battery and motor, so the entire concept of "easy to get on a bus", um no. The geometry is awful, but I managed to craft a makeshift BMX stem/bars deal that seems to be the trend for comfortable steering and control on folders or 20" minivelo ebikes. BMX type ebikes are the hype right now, which a smaller frame does add some speed but barely. I think the best imo is converting an old 90s Cromoly MTB w no suspension and 2" balloon tires. Steel soaks up road buzz, you don't need fat tires MTB tires do enough.
well it seems your not very bright, when you convert a folding bike you can have the battery and controller behind the seat on saya carrier, most already have the carrier, this means you have just the 1 wire going to the handle bars for the dashboard and 1 wire for accelerator if it is a system with a throttle. this is no different to normal brake lines.. what is so difficult about this ? you could even have both wires on plugs if you want to disconnect.. the majority of new electric bikes sold in europe are folding bikes in the 20 inch wheel range including the fat wheeled bikes.. and most folding bikes have just one simple single hinge to fold the bike.. not rocket science... . handling for fat tyres is not a problem, dont see many cars nowdays with skinny tyres and all cars now handle fine. never see skinny tyres in motor bikes neither,, so i think your two bikes never to do is a massive myth.... you just like mtb's and dont realise they have their draw backs too.
I have a fat tire custom built 5000w hub 72v 40ah kit...for my daily commute in NY... I'm sorry to tell u but I will not change my tires lol...well I don't think my bike is no longer a bike anyway...lol.. But the folding ebike is just a tick tock bomb waiting to snap in half..
Can a 2006 Novara Bonanza Mountain Bike be converted mid drive 68-73mm? It has cable disc but not sure about the old bottom bracket style. everything else looks right.
Great advice, so many friends of mine have bought store-bought big box eBikes, and I have found that they ride terrible because the bikes them selves their geometry and components are just garbage
Lectric makes great folding ebikes. They ship between 1000 to 1200 a day - over 7000 bikes a week. I own one and love it. Not sure why he is telling folks not to buy a new folding ebike? There are a lot of really good options out there from Rad, Aventon, Lectric, etc. that are very popular and have great reviews.
The Brompton has a good electric option, but like the bike itself, you'll need to bust a few piggy banks! Check UA-camr : Everyday Cycling : ua-cam.com/video/rMi5OknM8Fg/v-deo.html Thanks for the recommendations!
I'm the minority, after seeing this load. I won't hate. But you were correct on the information but hundreds of miles off on your why delivery. You are correct the shelf components are so similar, and mostly made in just a couple places. You are correct on folding ebikes geometry. And again fat tire bikes. Now the info falls apart in this: One not all rear motor ebikes are the same. But there are a handful of variations of those 250, 500,750. Also some are tweaked to fit the companies standards. Also batteries are different voltages, and capabilities. 100 builders may pick and choose for the purposes they require for class, locations, etc. As far as your statement on folding bikes, they can, and most are geometrically silly. But you yourself said it. You may have to have that for transport, or your function. If you think about it, the mopeds of old were far worse a geometry. Yet not many people noticed back then. Most riders of the modern geometric nightmare need them for campground short drives, or little parks. That's why they exist. Your silliest statement could have been your best. Fat bikes are not meant for commuting. True!!! But they can have great tires for some mixed trail/road travel. That's why I bought mine. Each of the styles skinny,and the 4" wides are designed for their function. You don't ride a mountain bike primarily on streets, nor skinny tire bikes on gravel, or beach. So you missed the biggest point when you said buy a cheap one because they are basically all the same. Not entirely true. Customer Service varies. My own ride the PowerRover 6 plus, has a custom built frame, a unique 48v battery, very unique dual display, and and tweaked shelf rear motor praised in the reviews for smooth response in comparison with other motors pulled from shelf u it's. I don't care who they use for available components. They regulate, and inspect any available pieces for exacting quality. I do not mind spending extra to get great service, and consta t good quality. Good thoughts on your points terrible examples of execution.
I am a self employed, and have a big issue bringing my van into city center, still I need to find a way to serve my customers, I'm starting to use a regular folding bike with good success, I'm seriously thinking into converting in electric, I want to be clear in this, I'm not an sport rider, just a guy that need transportation in the city and not to test my bike to the limit, this is the difference that make folding e-bike possible, still there's a big change of mentality about bikes as a sport and adventure, to a every day tool for transportation.
i put a 1000w mid motor on a mexican aluminum folding "mtb" bike it worked well . The clearance is good and the battery fits underneath the frame . excellent! but it broke from an execution error so i would add , do not put strong motors on cheap bikes. I reach 60 KM/h with that bike and a fall off would be a disaster.
The thing about fat bikes, they offer a lot of confidence on all terrains. Yes they eat up juice, are loud and heavy….BUT…having a wider footprint gives you stability, traction and a compliant, plush ride. You can take a hard tail Fat bike, throw a suspension seatpost in and you have a NICE riding ebike. With multi compound tires, you can cut rolling resistance and still have all the benefits of fat tires. Think of a pyramid…wide bases are stable. That’s how fat tires are. I’ve rode motorcycles for 38 years. I’ve watched tires evolve in size and tread patterns. The size has as big as a impact as tread pattern when it comes to handling characteristics. As weight increases on ebikes, tire size should follow…big battery, heavy motor…big tires are a natural progression. At that point big brakes should be a given. Point is, fat bikes are fun to ride and are very rewarding. Weight reduction is a plus on a fat bike though…I’m building a carbon frame, carbon tubeless wheels. I should have mine done by late May.
Wait wait wait a minute. From what I've been noticing you been using Costco's Northrock bike to convert into an ebike. Correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe my memory isnt serving me but isnt the Costco bike a 7 speed fat tire bike? I know they make a 21 speed mountain bike but I do believe you been showing us the fat tire conversion. Now I'm confused.
I've got a fatbike with a 2000 watt motor and 72v battery. I ride it on trail, gravel and pavement. 44 max speed and handles like a dream on all surfaces. You must not have much experience on fat bikes, it seems your quite confused. You bike snobs pretend that a mountain bike can't be driven on pavement and a road bike cannot get down a trail, it's utter nonsense. Not everyone is a badass motocross stud. I wouldn't trade my fat bike for any mountain bike for any reason.
Sorry, but I disagree with your assessment on Fat tire bikes. I am 59 and have been riding road bikes and mountain bikes my entire life (since I was 5), and I also raced motorcycle dirt bikes. I have a fat tire bike and I ride about 10 miles per day in the city. It handles great, and it has an Aluminum frame, so its not to heavy. I am going to convert it to an e-bike. Also, the enduro e-bikes have fat tires, and they work great, so.......
I've watched many of your videos. It seems like whenever you talk about mountain bikes you recommend hard tailed mountain bikes. What wrong with a soft tailed mountain bike? How about a full suspension mountain bike are they worse than hard tails?
I've built many ebikes and sure some folding bikes aren't the best option for ebikes but every point you said is wrong,the pivot points on a quality folding bike 1 in 100,000 chance of breaking ,the geometry isn't too bad and there's plenty of room for adjustment handlebar height etc,a battery can be mounted on rear rack or seat post easliy , I've proven geometry is simalar by putting side by side against a larger24" bike and handle bars seat height wheel axles even steering rake lined up exactly same,and the point of making a road bike instead is absurd,that's the worst option out there,when you have a motor you never notice any power loss while pedaling caused by having shock absorbers and tyres with some flex for cushioning and a road bike without suspension is the most uncomfortable ride there is,the roads have plenty of potholes ,cracks drive entrance speed bumps etc even the small bump can be painfull and send you flying off the bike ,Even when you don't have accident you feel pain in every part of your body afterwards ,I cannot for the life of me think there's any advantage whatsoever of not having shocks,it's crucial and 💯 necessary for any ebike and dual suspension even better even if only riding on the road,road bikes are good for velodromes and that's it not for public roads,also fat Chinese while are rubbish fat tyres are good for sand and waist battery on the road,just get a dual suspension bike with suspension that actually work and don't bother with 4" battery draining tyres
I thought this was a video about a conversion kit, not an opinion spiel about some dudes grievances with what he's accustomed to and more than likely not. The first time I sat on my aventon sinch fat bike, it felt a little weird in that it was awesome and sturdy as hell. Then I jumped on my old bike, specialized cross trail and I feel like I'm steering a death machine. Skinny and flimsy and one wrong turn and I'll be over the handlebars. Not the case on my folding fat bike AKA Tank on two wheels. But thats just my opinion that I don't expect anyone to give a rats ass about. Now I'll get back to the video search I thought I was l looking at, more actual information on types of conversion kits available to me for my clumsy specialized cross trail that is superior or something to my folding e bike
don't like fat tires bikes?? ..come to Montreal (Canada)!!! ..there are the worst streets on the planet, also fat tires can to go on beach/snow/trails easier with more fun.. with powered e-bike now, why to avoid this confort?
How much power do you think is enough for ebike? I mean (kW)? Like nobody is going to go very fast with them, I guess there should be a reasonable limit you should aim for buying your ebike. (motor power)
And 3rd..... Never try to convert a workout bike...!
I uhh just put some scooter wheels on mine and it works fine for me so far
(lifts welding hood) "god damn it, I told you this was stupid Jerry!"
😂
Great now you tell me , me and my peloton shot out of a fourth story window
@@justincase3230 😂😂😂
I've had a fat tire ebike for 5 years and it handles great as long as you've got the tire pressure high. On road I run typically around 30 psi and it handles similar to a motorcycle, but once you get the pressure below 15 psi, which is great for trails and loose stuff, you can really start to feel the sidewall flex when turning and it's not fun to ride on asphalt, especially at high speed.
20 psi is fine on my 4 in. stiff enough on pavement. yeah it said put ten in the tires. i could not even make a turn at that pressure.
Frankly at "overpressures" the rolling resistance and handling on pavement is really not far off from regular MTBs, I was really shocked at how high I could get the average speed even on trips of more than 20 miles. Its only 15% less than my "normal" bikes. I regularly use my unpowered fatbike that has 4.8s when i go for mixed surface trips, its totally acceptable when on the pavement during transitions and so nice on the corrugated to hell and back dirt roads. I'm not much of a off-roader so my technical routes are always fairly tame so i can't speak on that aspect with authority. Also if there's really extreme surfaces its best to have a battery powered compressor on you to quickly adjust pressure.
the trick is to keep correct inflation, anything under is bad for the tyres and your pocket.
I have a bosch gen 4 fatbike. I think it's great. On asphalt it's not the smoothest ride however since most tires have pretty aggressive tread patterns. Much smoother when riding offroad or on gravel roads. It's also awesome in the winter with studded tires. Riding on extremely slippery ice is like riding on gravel.
Absolutely… I’d say don’t get a fat bike if you life in perfectly paved flat lander city with no curbs, never plan on off road or adventure trails, don’t care about aggressive appearance…. Otherwise GET a fat tire bike 😂
Greatest ebike channel for real information, for me. Cheers.
I love how short and to the point some of these videos are. I put a Curry Electric bike kit with a 24 volt lead acid on to my Schwinn hybrid 21 years ago. I think it is time to revisit my interest in this! Subscribed!
battery technology especially has come a long way, you might be able to make your old kit work well just by getting a new battery.
The difference is like aodel t ford vs a Ferrari ,you should try again ,lipo batterys and brushless motors have made a world of difference
Fat guy on a fat bike,Priceless ! I'm thinking Harley riders might take offense 🤔
Fat tires need high pressure to roll correctly, they wear right in the middle and cost much to replace.
Ok if you NEED to ride on sand or snow.
I have both 3" tires 27.5" wheels for summer and 4" tires 26" wheels for winter snow riding. I love my fat bike!
I have a bafang ultra on my fatbike just keep the 4" tires on it and got studded terene cake eaters for winter
Just add a bit more psi to the tires for street and they feel normal
After 2 weeks I sold my non fatbike it felt so unstable and the bar width was so much shorter I think that was the main issue
Been looking for a bike to put 3" ties on and convert. What are you riding?
I got the ridstar q20 1500 Watt fat bike and it was just 1,000 dollars and already got 1400 miles on it. Had to get better tires and the tannus armour in liners for it. It's a great commute bike and gets up to 33 mph.
Wish I'd watched this before I got a folding fat bike to convert lol🤣😂🤣
🤦
I commute and micro tour on a fatbike. Commute is 16km each way. I've ridden the Cabot Trail (300km 4100m climbing, 3 days) on a fat bike. Not comfortable? That's just not true! Way more comfortable than my road bike... and on a 16km trip to town only 5-10 minutes slower, but way more fun. Sandy patch? Loose gravel? Rocks and other crap on the road? Dont even notice. Haha
I have a folding e-bike and I have almost 2000 miles on it It works great with no problems. There may be some folding bikes that would not work out as a home build however. The one I have was made to be electric.
What do you have , I need to buy an ebike ASAP and not sure what to buy , I don't need to travel with it as I'll be using it to ride on the road for exercise and everyday shopping trips , but I am just thinking that if something was to go wrong with it I have no way of getting it to a shop for repair ? You help appreciated 🙂
Yeah, pretty sure he's talking about converting a folding bike to an ebike. Not buying a folding ebike.
What model is it?
Post a video of this build Ted, I have never seen a folding bike build and would love to see yours.
@@Emilio0587....I put on bbso2 on Dahon 26 inches. Looks cool
Fat bikes with mid drives... They’re kicking on canal and river paths. Great in the woods and on mountains and hills too! I love the extra traction and confidence on rocky or shingly mountain and hill tracks (getting old... injuries don’t heal well). In my opinion, mid drive motors on fat bikes makes a lot of sense... a little help getting over the rolling resistance. 😊 also makes my Surly Pugsley towing a trailer a lot easier. Of my three bikes the ebike Pugsley is the most pleasurable to ride. Keep up with the good vids dude 👍
Bob trailers are expensive but single wheel trailers are the best bet for bike towing.
@@davidelliott5843 I agree! I have a BOB Ibex, Burley Coho and Burley Nomad. For narrow canal and river tow paths single wheel trailers rule! The Burley Coho is the only single wheel that fits perfectly behind the offset Pugsley. The Extrawheel Mate is another great option.
I have had 2 fatbikes I converted to electric, the best bikes I ever had. 😁Anywhere I've taken them, they've delivered. Next is putting on semi-slicks on them. P.s. Fat tires work on the pavement, look at motorbikes 😄They suck if you have no motor, but if you do, then it's great.
Hey! I have a fat tire ebike and yes it’s heavy like a donkey or mule (92lbs), but I like my fat tire E-Donkey bike. I can carry anything like a dead ☠️ pig 🐖 from the deep forest 🌳 and then eat it. That’s how I role.
Thanks for this one. I also just commented in one of your video on doing bike conversions and said that my project bike is a 35 yr old Bridgestone hardtail MTB. I take it out on trails and load up with my camera gear so this power assist is just to help out my 70 yr old knees without breaking the bank. I’ll update when my project comes to fruition
🎉
Ohh well, I just spend 2 hours looking for an ebike that fits in my trunk - foldable + fat tires ; )))
now you got me wondering ...
I guess I ve to watch some of your videos to learn more about conversion and bafang motors.
Thx a lot for your videos!!
If that foldable e-fat-bike is Danish, go for it!
Cheap Chinese Fat dual suspension bikes are rubbish ,try riding one down a set of stairs and find out the hard way,the rear suspension barely moves lucky to have 20 mm of travel ,the fat tyres are unnecessary with decent suspension and just drain battery power and make pedaling near impossible without battery,also the groupset quality is rubbish,brakes are cable barely work and the all metal parts rust within weeks of buying one,if you get a year of life out of on your doing well
Fat bikes are better on asfalt if you replace the tires to slicks. I love fat bikes because they are very comfortable and I can go over anything and go anywhere.
i will say after riding my DIY fatbike for now 2 years as a commuter, after changing some things it has been great. im using thinner rims that make the tire profile more round so handling isnt too bad. thou i am 6'6" and 300lbs, so i feel better on it than most MTBs. its not for everyone but its not something that should be avoided completely. also u can do 3.5" tires (currently run 4in mammoths in back, and 3.5" vee speedsters in front). handles 35mph really well especially after swapping the front fork for a doublecrown rigid fork :D
Bruhh we have a similar set up I have a downhill fork style with 3.5 speedsters on front and 4.0 vee zigzag tyre on back with two 60v dual battery s
why double crown rigid is better?
@@kazhankazhanovych6895 more rigid, less flex under heavy braking or turning, better transmittion of road feel to the bars. But be aware double crowns can stress a cheap frame with low quality welds.
I’m 245 pounds what bike do you recommend purchasing ?
Over 100,000 views 2.4 k likes probably a bad video
Continue . You are calling like it is . I just a built a E Bike Mongoose Mack . 750 watt E Drive. 52 volt battery Pac. It is taking me farther . Plus enjoying riding . I would be not Biking , If not for this new technology Not saying age is a issue . This is the reason I got back into Biking. Thank You!! I'm 54 years of age.
Riding perhaps, but if you are not pedaling, it ain't biking.
Seriously, with that set up it's a motorcycle.
Great, I currently have a folding fat bike I’m converting to a mid drive 🤦🏾♂️. Anybody wanna trade bikes?
I'll wait until you sell it cheap for the obvious reasons.
Dig the Metatron’s cube Johnny
Even though the handling is a little worse on E fat bikes than normal mountain bikes, the stability at higher speeds is way better and I think it would serve perfect for an all season commuter, and that is worth it to me. I dont like feeling the shakiness on thinner tires when maintaining higher speeds.
The electric motor kind of offsets the disadvantages of fat bike wheels and tires. Your totally right about folders and i feel that full sus has a lot of the same issues. Also 700c wheel bikes that don't have room for at least 32c tires and fenders are probably best for people who already really know what they are doing and don't need our help.
I second both of your opinions , with all due respect I love my full size fat bike , because it gets attention of the drivers on the road just because its huge , secondly I love my folding rad runner because its got 3.3 inch wide tires and i have taken it everywhere in my cars trunk and it can go places.
Shepherdschapelcom Theseasonorg explains the whole Bible God bless
1. KNOW that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23
2. UNDERSTAND the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23
3. CONFESS that Jesus Christ is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead. Romans 10:9
4. REPENT of your sins Luke 13:3
5. READ and STUDY God's Word to show yourself approved. 2 Timothy 2:15
6. PUT ON the whole armor of God. Ephesians 6:11
7. BEWARE of the son of perdition who is coming first disguised as Jesus to oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or worshipped. 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4
8. WATCH and PRAY until the true Christ returns. Luke 12:37 Remain as a chaste virgin waiting for her true husband (Christ). 2 Corinthians 11:2.
I'm sorry but this guy is dead wrong about fat bikes. I have a Himiway Cruiser and I'm honestly worried about the ride when I build my non fat bike 29er. The fat tires add so much more stability to the ride at higher speeds. It also smooths out the ride a lot. Yes, there's a trade off with rolling resistance, but a 750 watt motor negates that trade off. not to mention being able to ride in the snow, making it a viable year round commuter. I wouldn't trade my fat bike for any other bike.
I just shot a video on my ebike with fat tires--I am an ex mountainbiker--and have a video where I go over railroad tracks on a rural road and the space between the road and tracks is almos as wide as a fat tire and i explain that i feel way better on my fat tire ebike then i would a normal mountain bike.I would honestly upgrade the ebike--I have a 1000 watt motor i just got to make mine 1 wd
...or anything with training wheels...
I would add: no narrow tire bikes, say below 2" in tire width. Hitting potholes at speed requires a certain amount of tire volume.
So true!
I repeatedly popped my 2 gas "Dixie's"s with 750 (mm?) tires,and would drive on the rims back,because of the distance .
Then the tires are coming off the rims and going into bad places...
Folding bikes and fat bikes have specific purpose, if you need it get it but dont get it for the cool factor,
I got a folding ebike from fiido and it's ok but not great, I did consider a fat bike but decided the downsides outweighed any advantages it might have, in the end i just converted standard full suspension mountain bikes and am very happy, comfortable enough and great range.
My folding bike is fine :) But I get you.
What about converting a Schwinn trike? Would that be good?
With the BaFang mid motor!!??
Also, do I hafta have one of those "special" tools to get the crank assembly apart?
Johnny, please realize not ALL fat bike tires are "knobby" mine have street tires that are 3" wide. It handles like a dream.
absolutely. No hard fast rules!
this is a very important review since I am not familiar with all bike designs. I almost bought a used folding e-bike since it looked like a quality bike, it would be easy to store/transport in my car without a bike rack (a quality bike rack is expensive), and the price for the ebike I saw for sale was reasonable. But I will be riding on roads with potholes and even dirt/gravel trails. So I will exclude those types. The fat bike I might consider because I am not using an bike for commuting and I have tall and heavy.
Jetson bolt pro ...has entered the chat 😄
Ive got a nice bike to convert into electric with the bafang motor kit. My only question is, will my handle bars work with it? They are not straight but the traditional curved style.
fatbikes for life
I like wrestling pigs...
In hindsight it was a terrible analogy since most everyone does 🤼♂️
I disagree. I've owned my 500w UK version of Lectric XP (almost identical) for 6 months with 20" rims and 4" fat Kenda tyres . Yes, the geometry is upright and aimed at the older rider but with an after market £15 sprung saddle it is perfect for commuting on London's potholed roads. Fat tyres provide huge confidence on fast downhill bends plus greatly improved stopping power as all that rubber grips the road. I've ridden countless miles on gravel, forest trails, beaches, marshland and a little snow. It folds easily (got it down to 5 seconds now) and sets up the same feeling firm and secure. I've never felt safer or happier on a bike!
I have to second that. I just got my lectric 2.0 and this bike is awesome. It has everything you need. And it's foldable. This thing is built like a tank. I do agree that If you run out of battery 🔋. Peddling a 65 lb fat tire bike is going to be a problem. But then again if you plan your rides your in the clear. You can also buy a second battery if needed and switch it out. I have a kid seat in the back and take my son riding everywhere. It handles just fine. Also they came a inch down In size for the fat tire. It's 3inch for the 2.0. :)
yea i agree i got 2.0 tyres on MTB on london roads .....it all right but yea potholes is lethal ......it not lots small ones those can deal with .......there one those two inch pot holes hit em at 18mph and above on hard tail they can be lethal ..i found 1 in 3 those side roads have some lethal pot hole like 2 or more inch deep ........even more so if you one hand signalling ......ive hit couple pot holes one handed off guard either adjusting cycling gear etc etc .....
Yeah man, fatbikes and big tires are really nice to ride over all terrain like rocks and dirt and any curbs stairs etc... I don't think Johnnynerdout is just the right rider for a fatbike is all, no biggie!
Very helpful! Thanks man!
My favourite part about this video is when he says "unless you need it". These aren't hard and fast rules, if you need a bike for the snow or sand, get a fat tire bike, if you need a bike for your limited space camper, get a folder.
Fantastic short video, and valid points.
I actually really appreciate that you noticed that as most people, it seems, think I condemn them blanket-style
I own and daily ride three folding bike and none of them have "weird" geometry. I sit on my Dahon Jetstream rides the way I would on a mountain bike; my Dahon Hemingway is no different from any hybrid I've ever ridden, including my Trek 7.6 FX; and my Dahon Mu is drop handlebar and a pair of brifters away from being just like any road bike I've ever ridden.
I put a Bafang HD with a 52v 17ah battery on a barely used large Surly Krampus 29er and it is was everything I wanted in an E-bike. I found a medium used Surly Karate Monkey to build a bike for my wife. It had a bunch of minor paint scratches but it was inexpensive and a steel frame. I stripped the bike and decided to sand blast and repaint. I just wanted to make it pretty for my wife.
I made the mistake of calling Surly to see if I could buy a new set of stickers for it somewhere. I also made the mistake of mentioning to the guy how much I loved my Krampus. The dude went crazy on me with lectures on how I am risking life and limb of others and myself using their bikes with electric mid drive motors. He is probably just a kid but I certainly am not. This guy kept at me 3-4 times with lecturing e-mails and all I wanted to do was to stop it. I am a 64 yr old retired electrical mechanical engineer who spent 45 years supporting high tech robotic equipment so I guess maybe I am a bit insulted and very aggravated. Bicycles and e-bikes are really simple straightforward machines. Only unmechanical people can make them complicated. There is so much info on line to build or fix just about anything these days if one has the motivation. I told the guy several times that I made a mistake of calling them and tried to make him understand that I wasn't looking for his advice or asking permission.
I guess my only problem with the e-bike build is that it isn't really clear what frame limitations there are for suitable frame hosts. Seems like someone could make a great no compromise frame for e-bikes. Maybe they do and I haven't found it? Do you know of any frame limitations?
If you have got past my ranting and that I am pissed at Surly I appreciate your indulgence. It's just the principle off it and believe me if they think they have the market cornered on (over priced steel china bikes} they are wrong.
I still want to build my wife an e-bike and now I'm looking for another great frame for myself as well. I do like the 29er x 3.0 " tires and I have two great sets of 29er wheels . I have 2.5 " wide tires on the other set.
I was planning on that set for the KM.
Honestly that big Krampus frame is probably a little big for me and would rather have a medium something with a aggressive top tube angle for more leg and crotch clearance. I'm 5'10" and about 230lbs and a old beat up dude. A small or medium frame would be better for her with lots of leg clearance. There are so many frames to consider with all the steel , aluminum, carbon, titanium materials out there. Hardtail with or without front shocks , Full suspension ? So far I'm thinking one small and one medium. Hardtail with fixed front forks are fine. I'm not sure any shocks are worth the trouble for us especially with those huge 29er wheels and tires. Do have any suggestions for some good solid frames? I don't mind used or new and I'm looking to stay between 500 and 1000 bucks for each. It's just a me thing but I would love to get something that's made in the US or anywhere but China ...lol because the dang motor is a china product eh?
If a steel bike is the best choice, there are some older US based framesets and I really like the looks of the new Canfield steel hardtails ( designed in the US but made in taiwan ...LOL again ....we're screwed. We can't even make bicycles here anymore. It's just greed I think and if one of these builders go chinese then they have to, it seems.
As far as I'm concerned I would never go back to a bike without a motor if I had a choice. I love having the range and not worrying about getting back up huge hills and wind. I think the my e-bike experience is one of my favorite toys ever. Out of the garage day or night winter or summer anytime. I haven't even found a need to haul it anywhere by car. There's so much to explore right from my garage. I really love packing my fishing rod up and looking for new parts of the creeks around here. I love the accessibility of it.
I've watched just about all of your video's and I really appreciate your honest opinions. There's so much who-ha B.S. on-line these days. I know from my limited e-bike experience that you tell it like it is. I wish I had all this e-bike info in the beginning.
My two favorite toys for the last 3 years has been my Onewheels and my E-bike. I got burnt out chasing wind ,surf, and snow over the last 40 years . Accessibility is everything for me now. I'm glad I got to have these toys before I got too old.
Thanks
Well said! 🙂 I'm there.
I converted a free-to-me full aluminum, with shocks front and back. It was far too late to realize I should have gotten something with disc brakes and somewhere to actually put the battery and controller. It seemed a perfect coincidence until I actually started to try and get everything to fit well.
What does it look like, what does it look like. I'm trying to do the same thing just mid drive
I was adding up the cost for converting my bike and it got up to 1000 dollars before shipping. Compare the price of maintaining and other unforseen happenings. And living in Juneau Alaska. I feel buying a ebike from my local awesome dealer is a better choice. All this typing and I just convinced myself and answered my own question. I'm cooking pizza. Hawaiian style add chicken.
that's the thing, you really should try it without chicken
I had a Brompton which was perfect for short trips to and from the rail station. It folded quick and was easy to carry. However, narrow handlebars, small wheels and short gear range limited its usefulness for any other purpose. More power could be dangerous and the added weight defeats its biggest advantage..
I differ on the folding electric fatbike. They are made to be put into the back of a car and will cope with the horrible roads of our cities. Drive to the edge of the city and e-bike into the office. A mountain bike is a better ride in all respects but will not go into the back of a car.
I'd agree on most folding bikes, but the electric Brompton is a great bike.
Weather more power is dangerous or not is completely up to the rider because it could easily translate into longer range instead of faster speed it's just up to you to decide and make the appropriate adjustment in your riding style
Johnny I love your videos. I have to kindly disagree about the fat bike conversion. I put a BBSHD on my 2017 Trek Farley and I love it. I think a fat bike is the perfect bike to electrify. It helps overcome the low tire pressures off road. Pump the tires up to max psi and it goes decent down the road. The wide axle widths allow you to swap to a narrow (27.5 or 29) wheel set too. I think no other bike can be such a Jack of all trades. Keep up the great vids!
This was meant for first timers mainly. Everyone should have a fat bike in their stable.
Have a Specialized Fatboy that considering putting the same setup as your. Was wondering if you could run 29 standard Mtb wheels,came off my FS Camber that has carbon hoop now. What is the process for running 29 wheels change out what components. The Fatboy has 26 x 4 wheels at present.
Can I put a BAFANGO on a single gear (BMX)??.
Don't forget the DISK BRAKES! .... a must IMO
Depends on the system. Some rim brakes work better than some disc brake systems ☝️
Been watching all your vlogs over the last 2 weeks since I was diagnosed with a second brain tumour after 15 years. I've bought 2 old skool mountain bike frames a Marin a Scott and a bdshd kit which would have been built today if the seller of the spacers hadn't used the cheapest post ! Hopefully this week I'll feel the power of the bdshd. Then it's in hospital on Friday for the big operation the bike will be priceless during my recovery you will have saved my life.
Keep biking and get well soon. Enjoy life.
god bless!!!
I hope your operation went well and you can enjoy the bike rides!
Love it, Don't do this, unless you need it then it's OK, and don't do that, unless you need it then it's OK.
Well it’s not all black and white. He’s not here to let you know if it’s “okay”. I think he’s saying “Avoid it if you can. It’s not ideal.”
I gotta have that rear suspension, I'm 65 and my back shows it.
You should check out a more upright bike like Day6 bikes. 😀
I hear that! Planks, planks, planks, and lots of lower body stretches. Your back and core will thank you.
Would you add an eccentric bottom bracket bike to this list? I have a giant seek 1 that I was thinking about converting and it seems pretty untenable due to the external bolts on the bottom bracket.
I’ve had a mongoose ctossway850 1995, it’s a 24.5 frame with great rake angle, I ❤️ it, thing is being a tall hefty fella, I butterflied the rear wheel doing a simple pram dip gutter, here in australia they’re like little half cups in shape. Do I go a rear wheel motor assy or mid hub drive, 7speed twist grip and STX rd m-series brakes which stop very good, moneys not really a issue, turned old 60 yr just last august, never got into bicycle engineering, I’m aero
What about a penny farthing bike. Will that work?
They are already hub drives 😂
John 3:3
Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Luke 13:3
I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
======_____======____=======
Mine is 26x47/52 (2.60) does 41mph. 1500w motor. Handles like a dream. Tannus armor under velociraptor feet. The bike itself was a $599.00 amazon purchase. Lol. I leave fat bikes in the dust!😂 great video, you nailed it! 👍
Should have said carbon framed bikes! The weight and torque of the motor can do damage. Fat bike are awesome! Can't wait to build one with bbshd!
Any recs for a flywheel single speed 700c bike that's more low profile? Any pitfalls to the install? Thanks in advance and great vid.
Thank you for your video. It really touches on the decision I am making right now.
I appreciate you Sir. God bless you in the Name of Jesus Christ.
Any suggestion for a light weight alu frame hardtial MTB? I already converted my trek marlin 4 with a bafang bbshd but it kind of weighs too much in my opinion...Now Im looking for a light aluminium hardtail MTB
im thinking putting a bafang e motor mid drive on my Santa Cruzv10 (weight 16kg) but i dont know how many watts should i buy 750w or 1000w, can a 750watts run my heavy bike, thank you?
No problem here. I will just keep writing down my questions as I learn enough to ask them, till I know how many I will ask, and figure the time it will take to answer those. You know how to market your time, and that should prove worth the money I spend, whereas I will need good direction. These mid drives have finally arrived. One used to have to go through hell, and high water to rig those up, but now they have them to just fit into whatever bottom bracket you have. Once battery technology catches up, these puppies will get real good. Turn the young ones onto low end power, and keep them out of all the trouble of brake neck riding, that will only make trouble for all of us.
FAT tires in Florida are a must if you plan to leave the pavement because No mountain bike with standard tires will go through the deep sugar sand we have here on most trails. Heck, even our "dirt roads" are not actually dirt, they are SAND.
I’m in the process of converting a 1982 Raleigh Record ( 10 speed racing bike) with a swytch conversion and it’s not easy.
The wheel supplied has 10mm axle width my forks are 8mm .They suggested I file 2 mm off the axle 😮
WHY!!!???... are 90% of the ebikes "MOUNTAIN"? WHY...are 97% 26 inch??? I'd think they would sell a lot more if they accommodated old(er) folks: Upright position, step thru, adjustable handlebar position, FENDERS!!! .... I having been riding every day for decades...
The very vague statement about folding ebikes having a "weird geometry" belies the fact that high handlebars promote better posture, which is better for your back, which leads to more bike riding. I have a folding, fat tire ebike. I call it an "fbike" because, the "f" stands for FUN! I've gotten it up to 36 mph. Last week I raced a guy who was driving a golf cart, I left him in the dust. I've had this bike for just under 3 weeks and have over 260 miles on it. So far, no fundamental issues with this fun bike.
"If you're overweight, 300+ pounds". Okay, thanks, I'll go cry somewhere.
That's such a weird weight to describe as "overweight". It's more like morbidly obese unless you're 7' tall or something.
No hate coming from me. But you are full of crap. Just kidding! 😅
I am the fat guy riding the fat tire bike. This bike is changing my life for the better. I just now got off of it. Instead of sitting home and watching television while eating, I got my fat ass on my fat bike and took a long ride. It is still killing my butt I'm assuming that will get better. I used to ride a lot and I don't remember it killing my butt. So I'm assuming this is going to get better. But I'm feeling better in every way other than that. My knees are better. My anxiety is better. And I'm starting to be a little less fat. Anyway, my point in writing is to say when speaking to a 60 year old fat guy, the words hardtail mountain bike translate to sit on some barbed wire, preferably rusty.
To anyone else vegetating at home, this is the oldest you've ever been but it's the youngest you'll ever be. Get up and get moving. For me this fat tire ebike was the perfect starting point. It will not be the Finish. I have plans. Lol.
Thanks for the video.
LOL, I feel like I'm being called out in this video.
i bought a Gravel bike... my shitty city streets stuck. so the back rim can handle the extra weight and it really sucks, i've spent 100$ so far on replacing and getting time rim re trued. im honestly not sure what i want to do. i could buy new rim+hub and swap over my stuff. or i switch the bike back to manual pedaling and sell it off and buy a hardtail.. which is what im leaning in on, but i can not believe how expensive bikes have become. i thought having 1000$ would be enough and sure i can get used, but what i really wanted was a full mid range suspension bike which DOES NOT EXIST unless you have at min 1500$ and thats the low end... i cant even find used ones for 1000$ unless im buying like a walmart or dicks bike...
Fat bikes are popular among clueless consumers, just because they look cool, not because they are functional or efficient.
Trust me I was one of those, I have owned three ebikes and the best most versatile tire width is between 2 and 3”.
My Radcity 2.3” tires rides much better than my Radrover 4” tires ebike.
4” tires when inflated to max PSI gets bouncy balloonie and when you deflated to minimum are as inefficient as a walrus.
In other words, don’t believe the Fatbike hype, it is consumer BS.
Prominent and reputable brands like Riese & Müller, Stromer, Gazelle, etc don’t have a single Fatbike in their lineup.
Schwalbe, the prestigious bike tire manufacturer only sells one fat tire among hundreds of models they sell.
Synopsis: Buy the style of bike that best suits you. Don't involve your aspirations, or what you "want" to do with it, instead focus on how you WILL use the bike.
2.5 inch tires are absolutely big tires, you can do anything on them and compared to 4 inch... yeah you don't want that...i would go with 1.95 if i had a choice.
And why are bike tires so expensive these days? Upwards of a hundred bucks for run of the mill mountain bike tires
I disagree with the fat bike. Just got one a month ago, planning to convert. Conversion will be using 19 moto rim, with moto tires. No more flats(or very rare).
You are building a motorcycle, not a bicycle.
Not pedaling, not a bicycle.
I have a folding bike I converted with Bafang 750W, but would agree it's not first or even third choice bike frame. It's super heavy w battery and motor, so the entire concept of "easy to get on a bus", um no. The geometry is awful, but I managed to craft a makeshift BMX stem/bars deal that seems to be the trend for comfortable steering and control on folders or 20" minivelo ebikes. BMX type ebikes are the hype right now, which a smaller frame does add some speed but barely. I think the best imo is converting an old 90s Cromoly MTB w no suspension and 2" balloon tires. Steel soaks up road buzz, you don't need fat tires MTB tires do enough.
well it seems your not very bright, when you convert a folding bike you can have the battery and controller behind the seat on saya carrier, most already have the carrier, this means you have just the 1 wire going to the handle bars for the dashboard and 1 wire for accelerator if it is a system with a throttle. this is no different to normal brake lines.. what is so difficult about this ? you could even have both wires on plugs if you want to disconnect.. the majority of new electric bikes sold in europe are folding bikes in the 20 inch wheel range including the fat wheeled bikes.. and most folding bikes have just one simple single hinge to fold the bike.. not rocket science... . handling for fat tyres is not a problem, dont see many cars nowdays with skinny tyres and all cars now handle fine. never see skinny tyres in motor bikes neither,, so i think your two bikes never to do is a massive myth.... you just like mtb's and dont realise they have their draw backs too.
I have a fat tire custom built 5000w hub 72v 40ah kit...for my daily commute in NY...
I'm sorry to tell u but I will not change my tires lol...well I don't think my bike is no longer a bike anyway...lol..
But the folding ebike is just a tick tock bomb waiting to snap in half..
Also Carbon fiber Frames won't go well with Bafang middrives.
Doh.
Can a 2006 Novara Bonanza Mountain Bike be converted mid drive 68-73mm? It has cable disc but not sure about the old bottom bracket style. everything else looks right.
Great advice, so many friends of mine have bought store-bought big box eBikes, and I have found that they ride terrible because the bikes them selves their geometry and components are just garbage
Lectric makes great folding ebikes. They ship between 1000 to 1200 a day - over 7000 bikes a week. I own one and love it. Not sure why he is telling folks not to buy a new folding ebike? There are a lot of really good options out there from Rad, Aventon, Lectric, etc. that are very popular and have great reviews.
The Brompton has a good electric option, but like the bike itself, you'll need to bust a few piggy banks! Check UA-camr : Everyday Cycling : ua-cam.com/video/rMi5OknM8Fg/v-deo.html Thanks for the recommendations!
I'm the minority, after seeing this load. I won't hate. But you were correct on the information but hundreds of miles off on your why delivery. You are correct the shelf components are so similar, and mostly made in just a couple places. You are correct on folding ebikes geometry. And again fat tire bikes.
Now the info falls apart in this:
One not all rear motor ebikes are the same. But there are a handful of variations of those 250, 500,750.
Also some are tweaked to fit the companies standards. Also batteries are different voltages, and capabilities. 100 builders may pick and choose for the purposes they require for class, locations, etc.
As far as your statement on folding bikes, they can, and most are geometrically silly.
But you yourself said it. You may have to have that for transport, or your function. If you think about it, the mopeds of old were far worse a geometry. Yet not many people noticed back then. Most riders of the modern geometric nightmare need them for campground short drives, or little parks. That's why they exist.
Your silliest statement could have been your best. Fat bikes are not meant for commuting. True!!! But they can have great tires for some mixed trail/road travel. That's why I bought mine. Each of the styles skinny,and the 4" wides are designed for their function. You don't ride a mountain bike primarily on streets, nor skinny tire bikes on gravel, or beach. So you missed the biggest point when you said buy a cheap one because they are basically all the same. Not entirely true. Customer Service varies. My own ride the PowerRover 6 plus, has a custom built frame, a unique 48v battery, very unique dual display, and and tweaked shelf rear motor praised in the reviews for smooth response in comparison with other motors pulled from shelf u it's. I don't care who they use for available components. They regulate, and inspect any available pieces for exacting quality. I do not mind spending extra to get great service, and consta t good quality. Good thoughts on your points terrible examples of execution.
I am a self employed, and have a big issue bringing my van into city center, still I need to find a way to serve my customers, I'm starting to use a regular folding bike with good success, I'm seriously thinking into converting in electric, I want to be clear in this, I'm not an sport rider, just a guy that need transportation in the city and not to test my bike to the limit, this is the difference that make folding e-bike possible, still there's a big change of mentality about bikes as a sport and adventure, to a every day tool for transportation.
i put a 1000w mid motor on a mexican aluminum folding "mtb" bike it worked well . The clearance is good and the battery fits underneath the frame . excellent! but it broke from an execution error so i would add , do not put strong motors on cheap bikes. I reach 60 KM/h with that bike and a fall off would be a disaster.
The thing about fat bikes, they offer a lot of confidence on all terrains. Yes they eat up juice, are loud and heavy….BUT…having a wider footprint gives you stability, traction and a compliant, plush ride. You can take a hard tail Fat bike, throw a suspension seatpost in and you have a NICE riding ebike. With multi compound tires, you can cut rolling resistance and still have all the benefits of fat tires. Think of a pyramid…wide bases are stable. That’s how fat tires are. I’ve rode motorcycles for 38 years. I’ve watched tires evolve in size and tread patterns. The size has as big as a impact as tread pattern when it comes to handling characteristics. As weight increases on ebikes, tire size should follow…big battery, heavy motor…big tires are a natural progression. At that point big brakes should be a given. Point is, fat bikes are fun to ride and are very rewarding. Weight reduction is a plus on a fat bike though…I’m building a carbon frame, carbon tubeless wheels. I should have mine done by late May.
True dat! My dream bike, modern steel all mountain hard tail, with cyclone 3000w, 140m shock, 2.5 tires, sigh, some day
Wait wait wait a minute. From what I've been noticing you been using Costco's Northrock bike to convert into an ebike. Correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe my memory isnt serving me but isnt the Costco bike a 7 speed fat tire bike? I know they make a 21 speed mountain bike but I do believe you been showing us the fat tire conversion. Now I'm confused.
I've got a fatbike with a 2000 watt motor and 72v battery. I ride it on trail, gravel and pavement. 44 max speed and handles like a dream on all surfaces. You must not have much experience on fat bikes, it seems your quite confused. You bike snobs pretend that a mountain bike can't be driven on pavement and a road bike cannot get down a trail, it's utter nonsense.
Not everyone is a badass motocross stud.
I wouldn't trade my fat bike for any mountain bike for any reason.
Sorry, but I disagree with your assessment on Fat tire bikes. I am 59 and have been riding road bikes and mountain bikes my entire life (since I was 5), and I also raced motorcycle dirt bikes. I have a fat tire bike and I ride about 10 miles per day in the city. It handles great, and it has an Aluminum frame, so its not to heavy. I am going to convert it to an e-bike. Also, the enduro e-bikes have fat tires, and they work great, so.......
Just watched this video after completing my Chopper ebike conversion.
God that sucked.
I've watched many of your videos. It seems like whenever you talk about mountain bikes you recommend hard tailed mountain bikes. What wrong with a soft tailed mountain bike? How about a full suspension mountain bike are they worse than hard tails?
I've built many ebikes and sure some folding bikes aren't the best option for ebikes but every point you said is wrong,the pivot points on a quality folding bike 1 in 100,000 chance of breaking ,the geometry isn't too bad and there's plenty of room for adjustment handlebar height etc,a battery can be mounted on rear rack or seat post easliy , I've proven geometry is simalar by putting side by side against a larger24" bike and handle bars seat height wheel axles even steering rake lined up exactly same,and the point of making a road bike instead is absurd,that's the worst option out there,when you have a motor you never notice any power loss while pedaling caused by having shock absorbers and tyres with some flex for cushioning and a road bike without suspension is the most uncomfortable ride there is,the roads have plenty of potholes ,cracks drive entrance speed bumps etc even the small bump can be painfull and send you flying off the bike ,Even when you don't have accident you feel pain in every part of your body afterwards ,I cannot for the life of me think there's any advantage whatsoever of not having shocks,it's crucial and 💯 necessary for any ebike and dual suspension even better even if only riding on the road,road bikes are good for velodromes and that's it not for public roads,also fat Chinese while are rubbish fat tyres are good for sand and waist battery on the road,just get a dual suspension bike with suspension that actually work and don't bother with 4" battery draining tyres
I thought this was a video about a conversion kit, not an opinion spiel about some dudes grievances with what he's accustomed to and more than likely not. The first time I sat on my aventon sinch fat bike, it felt a little weird in that it was awesome and sturdy as hell. Then I jumped on my old bike, specialized cross trail and I feel like I'm steering a death machine. Skinny and flimsy and one wrong turn and I'll be over the handlebars. Not the case on my folding fat bike AKA Tank on two wheels. But thats just my opinion that I don't expect anyone to give a rats ass about. Now I'll get back to the video search I thought I was l looking at, more actual information on types of conversion kits available to me for my clumsy specialized cross trail that is superior or something to my folding e bike
Would you think that an old Trek Hybrid Bike with 700c (32 inch) road wheels with flat handle bars make a good bike for converting into an E-Bike ?
don't like fat tires bikes?? ..come to Montreal (Canada)!!! ..there are the worst streets on the planet, also fat tires can to go on beach/snow/trails easier with more fun.. with powered e-bike now, why to avoid this confort?
How much power do you think is enough for ebike? I mean (kW)? Like nobody is going to go very fast with them, I guess there should be a reasonable limit you should aim for buying your ebike. (motor power)