Hyperspeed is Insanely Fast
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I think all ships in Star Wars travel at the speed of plot.
lol
:-D :-D :-D A good one.
I believe that your statement perfectly applies for the films (or at least some of them) and perhaps also the TV shows.
However, more thought has usually, not always, been put into this reality within the work of the Expanded Universe (now Legends) to make it feel more "realistic" (if this word can ever be used in such a debate), because lots of the authors were nerds who liked this kind of stuff, plus they did not have to hasten a pace of the stories as much as the film creators usually must.
Having said that, I'm fairly sure that one would also find in those works quite a few instances of nonsensical speeds.
Green Dragoon yeah. Lol.
And the first series of Discovery.
It's been clear since the original trilogy that they traveled much faster than star trek ships.
Interestingly.. Game of Thrones has a similar problems. Westeros is really England. Some of the cities in the same locations are even named similarly. But it was made 4x as big so it would be a full on continent. Then Martin or HBO forgot and used travel distances based on england-- not westeros. So you have very high speed dragons (about 2,000 miles in 24-48 hours), and armies that move at modern mechanized speed.
Meanwhile in Warhammer 40k, of you use FTL travel:
- you may not arrive at the right time
- you may not arrive at the right place
- you may not arrive at all
Honestly I don't know why 'anyone' in 40k uses that FTL system when the risks are so damn great, surely the physics in that universe allows for even 'slow' Warp Drives.
@@mrbuttocks6772 The answer is there is no other alternative unless you’re the necrons with their magic level technology. Without warp travel the imperium itself would fall apart over night.
Or you will arise. But by the time you do, it's like 5 million years in the future
@@MrCOLBSTAH Or three thousand years before you were born.
@@mrbuttocks6772 The Eldar Webway is faster and safer than Warp but still requires whatever magic mumbo jumbo Eldars have in their ships to access. Meanwhile, the Tau has their Ether/gravitic drives that are waaaaaaay slower than Webway or Warp travel, but much safer and more consistent.
Hyperspace speeds absolutely vary depending on the hyper-routes. Ships can move much faster through well-charted hyperlanes (like the Correllian Run or Hyperion Way for example). Minor hyperlanes are not as well charted and ships must go slower through them. And the difference can be vast. Going from the core world of Coruscant to Tatooine is like a day, whereas it can be weeks to get to someplace much closer because there are no major hyperlanes in that direction. This has all been established since the 1980s. That's why speed is rated as a multiplier of travel time, and not an absolute speed (like lightyears per hour, etc). Instead, you look at the travel times on the chart, which is all about the nature of the hyperlanes, and then you multiply by the hyperdrive multiplier.
this
double this
Triple this. While warp don't need lines if im correct.
@@rohenthar8449 correct, point in direction and go.
Since the show was all about exploring, I guess that is by design. Whereas star wars was a more well explored galactic community with strategically important stable trade lanes.
They tech is usually a function of the theme.
It’s like the difference between taking a highway to get somewhere as opposed to a state road
I always thought that "hyperspace" travel was basically going into a separate, parallel type of space and then exiting out at a different point. In the normal space, it would be like traveling faster than light, but you would still be traveling at regular speeds around actual obstacles in that other space. It, therefore would vary based on the route in hyperspace.
Welp, when Admiral Gender Studies (i.e. Holdo) pushed the last Rebel (Resistance...oh well, not even the freaking writer know which is which anyway...)cruiser into hyperspace to kill the Supremacy, she (well, the SOB who wrote that malignancy into existence) KILLED every theory everyone had been building on how hyperspace worked in the past 40 years...so your theory is as dead as everyone else's! Subvert expectations? More like subvert the whole universe and throw it into the nearest black hole...
TSEDLE333 The Last Jedi is not canon. It was just Luke who had a bad Dream....
TSEDLE333 -- afraid that movie can't count toward canon if the writer is too stupid to know how the universe they are writing about works. (Unless canon is a tool of the patriarchy and "in universe" feminists can ignore it whenever they want)
I am fairly certain that the ship goes into hyperspace after it is done accelerating or doing to initial jump.
Meh, canon is whatever the writers decide it is. Always has been, always will be, in all fictional universes. We say hyperspace is another dimension, but we can clearly see celestial bodies from our own 3D space turning into bars of light that rush past us. Even Han says (in the clip in this video) that they have to navigate around stars and planets when travelling in "hyperspace." Hyperspace can't be another dimensional space or level or reality that has different physics and actually has stars and planets in it; after all, those things can only exist because of the physical constants of our universe, chief among them being the speed of light. Hyperspace is just a term, a plot device, used by writers to suggest that there's a way to beat the speed of light. It will never be logically consistent because, like all technologies in all fictional universes, it is only there to serve the writers.
As to the misogynistic epithets some of you are tagging Holdo with....I know, right? How dare a female occupy a prominent position in OUR universe, let alone make the ultimate sacrifice to protect her people? Also she has purple hair and isn't as pretty as Leia, damn her eyes and may her spawn be cursed unto the fiftieth generation.
Late to the party, but I always took hyperspace to be essentially near-infinite speed, primarily limited by finding paths not interdicted by natural gravity wells. Thus, the hyperspped factors of engines are not velocity, but tolerance of gravity wells, allowing you to take longer jumps with less lane clearance.
with regards to spacetime relativity, the difference between the two understandings fades
Yes I agree with this comment a lot, elite dangerous fsd drive shows a realistic version of this
Also fuel burns fast so you can’t go that far without refueling, Star Wars goes around this by having fuel be used slow in hyperdrive, elite dose the opposite and it goes faster in the regular enigne(seems the same but it’s not)
I can go with that, given that it was established in Legends that a hyperdrive would not even function in a gravity well, which is why the Empire build vessels like the Interdictor-class cruisers with the gravity well projectors. Something that they threw out the window with the sequel trilogy.
@@CharlesHuse Which is why I hate the new trend of showing ships make the jump while still within a planet's atmosphere. Or the Force Awakens "we'll come out of hyperspace really, really close to the planet" method.
In SW lore, hyperspace is pretty much teleport. The distance traveled matters little, what makes going to point A to point B take a second or a year is how well know an hyperspace route is, how powerfull your navicomputer is and how many jumps are required to get in there.
You could travel from the core to the tip of the galaxy arm in a second if your route was solid enough, or you could take a century navigating inside a nebula to find your way out. Distance is not a problem in SW lore, how you know your path is.
THE FORCE IS THE ONLY PATH. THATS WHY LEIA FLYS IN SPACE! HERRRRRR DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Distance and speed are not the issue yes. It's more about smacking into things en route. Some hyper drives ARE slower than others, but most ships only care about smacking into other objects.
Everybody gangsta until the flying space church comes out the inmaterium with echoes of the damn souls of hell at it back.
Yeah when obi wan had to travel to the water planet in the "outer rim" he jumps in a pod about the size of a lazy boy chair and gets there before lunch
He probably even had lunch with the Kamino Prime Minister before he tussled with Jango Fett.
Not even the outer rim. Kamino is extragalactic, on the fringes of the Rishi galaxy, which is a companion galaxy to the main one (and so decently close in terms of galaxies), but still pretty far out.
@@littlechickeyhudak yeah camino is insanely close in terms of galaxies but it is still a rarely visited world which disproves the common theory that regularly used hyperlanes are faster.
@@thehighground3630 although part of the trip would’ve been through dark space between galaxies. I wouldn’t assume there’s many obstacles that have to be carefully navigated around. It’s also possible that the Rishi Galaxy isn’t aligned with the main galaxy’s plane of orbit, meaning he could’ve simply had to go “up” out of the galactic disc, giving him a straight shot through empty space to Rishi
@@littlechickeyhudak the rishi maze is indeed above the galaxy and to the side. So a decent part of the journey would have been through emty space but still the theory says that a hyperlanes gets faster if it's more commonly used. That's apparently how the hyperlanes first developed.
In the strategy games for star wars some hyperspace lains were way faster then others so that could be why the number changed.
The better mapped a lane is, the less likely you're going to smash into something, the faster you can go towards your drives max speed. Most of the 'slowness' in hyper space is going slow on purpose to not smack into things, or have at least some time to try and react if you're about too.
The Enterprise in the ST - TOS episode "Obsession" travelled over 1000 ly's in only 24 hours. And in the episode That Which Survives also travels almost 1000 light years at similarly insane speeds!!
I think your giving SW writers far more credit than they deserve. I doubt accurate distances even entered their tiny minds.
I think slipstream or transwarp is hyperspace in Star Trek
It would take voyager 8 hours to get home lmao 😂
ya star trek has transwarp which is their version of hyperspace
Yes and No, Transwarp works with Lanes, like your traditional Hyperdrive.
Thats why the Borg needed the Unimatrix Complex hich served as a "Hub"
You need Start and Endpoints and you could access those Tunnels or Lanes just with the Transwarp Drive.
Then theres Warp 10, which is the "everywhere and nowhere" thing.
Hyperspace is the actual Term used in Star Trek.
They "travel" through Hyperspace or Subspace even though they still travel through normal Spacetime, its just a term they use for that.
Slipstream is again a different story, but is similar to Transwarp.
You simply cant compare those things :D
Transwarp was a combination of warp drive and transporter tech that caused a ship to "fall" into a transporter beam directed in front of the ship during warp speeds. It caused the upper reaches of speeds to hit up to warp 15 in extreme cases but was terribly unreliable. It didn't really work in any capacity until the end of Next Generation when warp 13 was typical. Going much faster than that was never really played upon in any series that I can recall.
The Star Wars hyperspace was more like a wormhole generator using traffic lanes. You don't punch hyperspace without coordinates due to the fact that shields don't work and running in to something was instant death.
In Star Trek you can move at warp speed in any direction in three dimensions but in Star Wars it's more like taking the Interstate Highway system, eventually no matter how straight you go you'll eventually have to slow down and make a turn somewhere.
I read somewhere (may have been a break down of slipspace on a Halo centric forum, can't remember) that compared ftl and stl travel as if the galaxy were a ball of yarn. travel in real space followed the main yarn, hyperspace were the individual threads that made of the main strand, and all the empty space in the ball was slip space. The hyper lanes were still present in real space, but needed a hyperdrive to access them. And courses had to be plotted along these specific lanes, and ships were not able to deviate from them without weird shit happening. Such as coming out of hyperspace at a location far from where you intended. Where as slip space traveled in the dimensions between physical and hyperspace. More direct routes could be "plotted" but navigation was imprecise, and you could drop out millions of kilometers from your intended destination.
As for speeds in SW vs ST. I was always under the impression that warp drives could only sustain warp speeds for a limited time. The slower the speed, the longer you could stay at warp, and the father you could travel. Where as with hyper drives, your trip was determined by your astrogation computer, hyperspace lane data, and fuel. With most ships only being able to plot out so many jumps before having to recalculate. So, if you could get from points a to b to c faster, you could plot d, e and f sooner. Hyperspace travel depended greatly upon how fast your ship could go once in hyperspace, as the faster you went the less effect gravity shadows had on your ships plotted route. Hense why the Kessel run was measured in parsecs rather than time (yes, I know, a retcon)
The big problem with hyperspace though is it's very limited in it's use. You can only go somewhere that is already mapped, there are beacons required, and you must travel along proscribed routes, which leads to nexus points that control access, and that become strategic points that control access to further systems along the route.
The best way to think of it is as railway lines, you can travel very fast but only via predetermined paths.
With warp drive you can go anywhere you want, even if no one had been there ever. You can use it to go "cross country" and outflank others, and to move short distances to get in a better position (The only limitations on it are you can't use it in atmosphere). It's versatile.
Think of it as a very rugged 4WD or maybe even tracked vehicle. Can go anywhere it wants via any route, and to hell with traffic directions. Militarily it can also be used for drive by's, which is hard to pull off from a train.
So hyperspace is better strategically (and only in predeveloped paths), but warp travel is far far superior tactically, and is advancing to become better strategically as speed increases and increases and increases till eventually 29th century Federation ships can arrive before they left. In 400 years Star Wars vessels might be a little bit faster, but then considering the fastest ship is a modified freighter that is at least 90 years old that might not be the case.
But for all those Star Wars fanboys that have to always be the best, remember this, Star Trek has time travel, even in the time of Kirk. So since the timelines don't interact he could just go back to before Anakin was conceived and kill his mother. But knowing Kirk, he'd probably seduce her instead, which is how this whole mess got started.*
[* I didn't come up with this, I just shamelessly stole it. Well, a little guilt, but I still knicked it.]
The hyperdrives in Stargate circumvent this problem by having better navigation sensors and their ships phase shift the moment they enter preventing accidental ramming of solid matter.
Actually they do somewhat of same thing with warp. One thing that is not mentioned much is that space flight, in what every universe you are in is that you are never actually flying. No matter where you are in space, you are in the Hill Sphere influence of some gravitational body, be it a planet or galactic mass. You are always orbiting something. This means that you have to have accurate stapmaps to plan. When the captain says "lay in a course" that is exactly what they are doing, albeit the computer plots the course base on the input, but it is the same thing. A good example of this is in Star Trek Generations where data and picard are in the astromectrics lab (starmap room) and you can see the effect that the destruction of the star made several ships replot their warp trajectories. And this is why I love star trek... there is so much going on behind the scenes that most laymen have no clue about.
lol that last part
Unmapped hyperspace jumps are possible in Star Wars, they're just not used unless in an emergency because mapped hyperspace lanes are usually the safest routes to a given destination. It's like going offroad vs taking the highway, one is clearly safer and more practical than the other. [As a matter of fact, what many call the worst scene in The Last Jedi is an unmapped hyperspace jump.]
The extremely high speeds of Star Wars ships were established in the first movie. There's dialogue stating that the death of Obi-Wan Kenobi and the battle of Yavin occurred on the same day ("This will be a day long remembered; it has seen the end of Kenobi, it will soon see the end of the Rebellion") which means that both the Millennium Falcon and the Death Star were able to travel from the remains of Alderaan (near the galactic core) to Yavin (in the outer rim) in a matter of hours. No need to bring the Disney continuity into things.
I like how this stuff has always served the settings better. Star Wars is theatrical, movie-based, needs to get places in a timely fashion inside of 90-120 minutes. Star Trek has seasons, 45 minutes at a time, you can spend a long time having important speeches and staff meetings on the way.
on the other hand, star trek has way stronger weapons, while star wars uses straight-up lasers.. because they don't have fancy omnipowerful shields, they are just naked in space, risking their greebles when they get hit. because that's also better for a movie, and it allows the death star to be really special. while Trek's powerful weapons shields allow the _Borg_ to be really special, by allowing them to just shrug everything off and adapt.
This is what I love about the Honorverse book series by David Weber - it's consistent. During battle or just when moving in system, you constantly read the numbers. "The distance is X and with acceleration Y it will take us Z hours with decelartion to 0" or the same for missiles. When you actually punch all these number to calculator, they match up. I'm fan o mathematical accuracy everywhere so I can't speak up for casual reader, but to me this makes those books so believable...
No, Honorverse runs on asspulls that try to hide behind the numbers. See all the magical techs they pull out of their behind, despite being tiny one star state that somehow can outresearch Haven with hundreds of worlds (or League with tens of thousands). Technology doesn't work that way, even if for some magical reason Haven couldn't match the cutting edge tech, they could use their material advantage to circumvent this with laughable ease. See Soviet T-72, tank that matched the Abrams much thicker armor by being smaller (and replacing crew members with machinery) to keep similar armor thickness while being 20 tons lighter by presenting much smaller, more efficient profile. Why they keep trying to make the same ships with less instead of thinking out of the box (building megadreadnoughts if size is so good?) I have no idea.
Also, that lazy jerk can't even keep numbers straight. At the start, Haven is 20-30% behind in tech compared to protagonists. 6 books later, their tech is better by 50%, yet somehow isn't even at the protagonist starting level from book one despite 50 >>> 20. Go figure. And there are tons of examples like that...
@@KuK137 What do you mean that the T-72 matched the Abram's armor? Like in effective protection or what? Also the physical size of armor isn't so much an issue on modern tanks as the weight it takes up, Abrams tanks use ceramics which weigh less than their steel counter parts but take up more space. I don't think the T-72 is a good comparison here though, the T-90 series which is based on the same hull anyways would be a better comparison since it's the one that's actually being upgraded to keep up with the Abrams series. The T-90MS and M1A2 SEP v3 are roughly equal on most factors.
One thing that should be noted about hyperspace travel, it is limited to "hyperspace lanes" so ships can't just go anywhere they want. It's why civilizations in the Star Wars universe tend to cluster around these hyperspace lanes.
I also remember in TCW a Venator travels from Mon Cala to Naboo to take on Gungan reinforcements, and returns in the span of less than a day
In some legends source it's stated that a class 2 would take 2 weeks to cross the Hydian Way (120k+ lightyears).
When Finn says "Four parsecs to go," I'm assuming he means within hyperspace. I'm also assuming that distances in hyperspace are not the same as distances within normal space. FTL travel in Star Wars doesn't have a great canonical technical explanation, but based on everything we've seen, I assume that when starships enter hyperspace, they aren't just traveling fast, they are in an entirely different plane of existence that allows their normal propulsion to move them through far greater distances in shorter amounts of time. I also think it's purposely nebulous so that the technicality of it doesn't distract from storytelling, but I would accept an explanation that hyperspace distances and velocities have NOTHING to do with the departure and arrival points in normal space. That there are hyperspace threads and lanes throughout the galaxy and navigating them is not at all related to a Euclidean understanding of three dimensional space. Also, that would explain why the "Unknown Regions" remain largely uncharted. There are fewer hyperspace lanes that go there or some upper dimensional anomalies make the hyperspace in that part of the galaxy much harder to navigate.
Hyperspace is the folding of space time to make distances shorter, basically an artificial wormhole. But, you cannot fold stars or large obstacles, so it's largely dependent on what's in your way. Your hyperspace wormhole can cut straight to your destination or be broken up into sections depending on what's in real space.
I first noticed this during the Prequils. In the ship cutaway book there is information on the Venator that includes its operational range before refueling listed in lightyears...this value is more than double the distance of the return trip Voyager stated would take 95yrs in its first 2 episodes. In other words the Venator (which is regularly seen being refueled) is running missions at ranges StarTrek would need generation ships to reach even with warp drive.
Referring to The last jedi.
To quote Rich evans
"you know what it was?...stupid!"
The Star Wars Galaxy is 120,000 Light-years across, not 100,000. This changes your math a bit, still, good work.
And the fact you can't fly in a straight line...you can, but not a good idea.
The thumbnail needs an overhaul with Voyager's Warp 10 shuttle piloted by space salamanders and the caption stating, "Already there."
Hyper drives are faster, but they only work if you have a mapped route, other wise you have to take short trips so you can recalculate the jumps which makes the trips so much slower, on the other hand a warp drive doesn't need an exact measure and can adjust wile in flight, once you activate a hyper drive that it you are stuck until you arrive at the destination or something goes horribly wrong lol.
Yea, I'm thinking that trying to ascribe Newtonian physics to the Star Wars universe is an exercise in futility.
According to George Lucas, Pablo Hidalgo, Dave Filoni, and Irvin Kirshner, Star Wars isn't even, "Sci-fi."
During a, "Behind the scenes/Making of The Empire Strikes Back," documentary, Irvin Kirshner described it as a, "Science Fantasy."
And even mentioned that it would be mostly a waste of time, to attempt to attach our Earthly notions of physics.
(Not that that would ever stop the fandom from trying, of course.)
You could say, that since it's a pretty well known fact that even reaching any significant percentage of the speed of light is physically impossible lol its probably best to not spend too many brain cells on trying to reconcile distances and time scales in a fictional universe.
But, entertaining video nonetheless!!!👍
You can still make a practical estimates, like a ship crosses the galaxy in x hours so effective speed is therefore X, even if the mechanics involved in how they do it are fantastical
Star Trek is even more of a space fantasy since the technobabble isn't consistent and you have a walking plot device in the form of Q. At least with a Force-sensitive, there's limits to what they can do, and each piece of SW tech has a defined purpose.
Times were different back then. Hahn also said he could make the Kessel run in 6 parsecs. A parsec is a measure of distance, nowadays. We can't be sure what he meant using it as a measure of time. Their galaxy also has the Force. A phenomena that does not exist in our galaxies distant future. I've heard that it is because of the force that star wars ships can travel much faster, but I can't fathom why.
I think my least favorite line of dialogue from the sequel trilogy is Leia saying “they tracked us through lightspeed!”
…that’s like how a little kid playing with his actions figures on the floor would talk 🤷🏻♂️
important thing to say is, that there has been ABSOLUTLY NO REASON - Except for the Plot - to install those velocities.
With the twisting routes they take through hyperspace it could be possible that speeding up and slowing down at certain points in the journey is necessary. If the "tunnels" we see on screen already exist (in subspace maybe, is that a thing in Star Wars?) and the ships just navigate them then they might have to slow down for turns and such 🤔
Subspace = dimension "below" normal space / Hyperspace = dimension "above" normal space
So a trip through well-mapped hyperspace routes should go by quickly, but explore and go into unmapped areas, the ships would move considerably slower, lest the astromech navigates them into a black hole's gravity well...
Well, do they ever explain what Hyperspace is in SW or how it works? The real world hypothesis is that Hyperspace is basically a fifth dimension of space and that, assuming 3D space is folded somewhat in the fifth dimension, there should be shortcuts between certain points in 3D space. If that's what's happening in SW, then how long it takes to get from one system to another world depend greatly upon where the 5D wrinkles are. Maybe the fastest shortcut between Tatooine and Coruscant takes 2 days to traverse, but if the Galaxy folded around entirely in 5D space (think a C shape), the journey depicted in Last Jedi might only take 5 hours.
Also, I like the idea that they might be speeding up and slowing down. That would explain why it takes them 3 minutes to travel the last 4 parsecs. But that would seem to fit more with a view of them just going really fast rather than traversing 5D shortcuts. Thoughts? Does any official or EU source give more credence to one of those views?
Any more on Kaluza Klein theory perhaps? Ripples in the fifth dimension...
The Science of Interstellar book by Kip Thorne was also interesting.
The fact that Star Wars vessels travel faster than Star Trek vessels is concrete proof that Star Wars is better than Star Trek.
Star trek will win in a fight, star wars is stuck on this point
This is my own math based off a random comment that the best hyperdrive can get across the galaxy in a month, and personally, I use it for my stories
🌌Hyperspace Math
Galaxy 120,000 wide
Sectors 5,454LY
Sectors are 9x9 Parsecs
Each parsec 600x600LY
Likely Habitable System (LHS) 600LY
Hyperdrives
-Class 0.5: 331LYPH. 16 Hours per Sector, 15 Days per Galaxy.
(1.8 Hours LHS)
-Class 1: 265LYPH. 20 Hours per Sector, 19 Days per Galaxy.
(2.2 Hours LHS)
-Class 2: 212LYPH. 25 Hours per Sector, 23 Days per Galaxy.
(2.8 Hours LHS)
-Class 3: 170LYPH. 31 Hours per Sector, 28 Days per Galaxy.
(3 Hours LHS)
-Class 4: 136LYPH. 38 Hours per Sector, 35 Days Per Galaxy.
(3.8 Hours LHS)
-Class 5: 108LYPH. 1.9 Days per Sector, 43 Days per Galaxy.
(4.8 Hours LHS)
-Class 6: 75LYPH. 2.7 Days per Sector, 61 Days per Galaxy.
(6.8 Hours LHS)
-Class 7: 41LYPH. 5 Days per Sector, 110 Days per Galaxy.
(12 Hours LHS)
-Class 8: 18LYPH. 11 Days per Sector, 244 Days per Galaxy.
(1.1 Days LHS)
-Class 9: 6LYPH. 31 Days per Sector, 1.9 Years per Galaxy.
(3 Days LHS)
-Class 10: 1.5LYPH. 124 Days per Sector, 7.6 Years per Galaxy.
(12 Days LHS)
-Class 11: .38LYPH. 1.4 Years per Sector, 30 Years per Galaxy.
(48 Days LHS)
-Class 12: .9LYPH. 5.6 Years per Sector, 120 Years per Galaxy.
(192 Days LHS)
I used the 4ish weeks for the basis of 0.5 and used….a ton of math that frankly I was drunk so I don’t totally remember but in short: yea I use this scale for my head canon and stuff
You're telling me no one in the Delta Quadrant invented hyperspace?
something interesting about hyperspace is you'd be able to see ur ship in 2 spots at the same time. you could travel somewhere then look through a telescope and see ur ship once the speed of light catches up to where you are currently.
How can a galactic map be accurate if everything in the galaxy is moving along different axes at different rates of speed?
Also, what does God need with a starship?
Lol, awesome comment!
Honestly, I assumed Star Wars stories just pulled numbers out of their ass most of the time and didn't care too much about canonical accuracy. At least not to the lengths Star Trek goes to. And that's fine -- Wars leans more on fantasy and adventure, so I don't really expect (or even look closely at) technical accuracy or consistency.
Flying from one end of the Galaxy to the other always seemed like a cross country drive across North America in relative terms. It was never implied that it took years, months, or even weeks at maximum speed for a fast ship, assuming the necessary hyperspace lane routes were available in the ship's navigation computer.
12 hours from one end of the Galaxy to the other seems quite a bit faster, but presumably factors like the millions of obstacles present during that trip would make up the difference, rather than a simple point A to B bee line calculation. The fiction doesn't use warp space to move through physical space time, it's relying upon hyper dimensional space outside of normal space time to science-fantasy explain moving massive distances in relatively short periods of time as the fiction was never about the Trek, but the destinations.
It's not hyper speed, hyperspace is an alternative dimension where everything is way closer, so they cravel through that, but I think their ships are about as fast as light without hyperspace
I feel as though you may not have considered all the factors in star wars lightspeed, in that their method is to dip into a smaller lower dimension who's passages can be widened and made more easily traversable with every ship that passes through. So a main highway would be faster than a country road.
I've always known hyperspace to be a bit slower. Say, a class 1 ship crossing the Galaxy in a bit over a day.
I think the Last Jedi explanation is more just RJ not knowing what he's doing than an actual concrete reference.
I wouldn't use anything in TLJ as source for analysis. There are too many plot holes and fallacies in the movie for it to be reliable.
theory, with very far travel distances it might be faster to travel above the galactic disk to a point where there is a lot fewer obstacles, travel very fast in a straight line, then go back down
The full idea of Star Trek voyager is that they are stuck in a quadrant of the galaxy and takes a lifetime to return. Then the idea that a spaceship in Star Trek can run that distance in 1.5 years make no sense.
It's worth noting, too, that The Last Jedi takes place a good deal of war-innovation time since the earlier movies, and I'd be surprised if the hyperdrive even in that little shuttle isn't comparable to cutting-edge drives decades earlier.
I thought hyperspace could sometimes pass right through time and space itself creating wormholes. That's how sometimes they're able to cross the entire galaxy in a matter of hours versus the distance between certain planets being different times
All of the fan fiction I've written has gone by the old estimates that a trip across the galaxy would take months. Being stuck in hyperspace gives time for character building. To quote Review Brah, my disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined. Thanks Rian Johnson.
As a hard-core Trek fan, comparing the genres really is apples to oranges. Star Trek occours in our galaxy. Star Wars is from A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away. George Lucas' focus was on the allegory, not science. Gene Roddenberry's vision included a 'speed limit' so to not make the galaxy too easy to traverse or to make it too small so that there will be more storylines to be written. He consulted many science institutions, including RAND, corp, and NORAD for conjectures on how space works. Woven together-science fiction. It is reasonable that the laws of physics operate differently from the physics of this galaxy and the one far far away due to many factors, for one: cosmic string densities. This factor can also play into the inconsistencies noted in the variations of Star Wars' hyperspace speed models. Hyperspace travel channels are also involved in the differences. In Star Trek, there are faster ways to get around standard warp factors (transwarp, quantum slipstream). Warp speed models in Star Trek also has variations in numeration between the TOS and TNG series ( TOS WF 14.7=TNG WF 9.4) but that is just scaling. What would really be interesting to compare, Babylon 5 tech like jump gates, Stargate's Asgard tech, And Farscape tech. Also, there should be an investigation on the TOS Battlestar Galactica's connection to Stargate with the many Egyptian, astrological, and mythological correllations. And finally, in Star Wars, how did humans get there to that galaxy? Stargate? Iconians? Just to ponder.
I remember reading in the tech books for Star Wars that obi wan’s Jedi starfighter in the clone wars could make a single hyperspace jump of 75000 LY in something like 6 hours. So I find this fairly believable.
Videos like this make me want to grab the maker by the shoulders and give a good shake while saying, "Repeat after me, 'Its just a movie'"
It is basically worm hole travel. It would be like if a Star Trek ship could create a stable enough worm hole to be able to go through. It on all technicality would be far faster than any ship. That is what we see with Hyperdrives. The one interesting thing about these hyperlanes is how they seem to be basically natural stable worm holes. Where Star Trek using Warp drive is just expanding space behind and decreasing space in front to cause a slip stream effect. NASA is working on that type of FTL speed drive, but we are far from making anything that can detect a a worm hole or make one. As for the speeds it makes sense on the issues. As it matches up with the Bajor worm hole. As they go through it you see are easier in some areas, but rougher in other areas of the same worm hole. The speed while far faster than trying to warp there still is very inconsistent and every time is a different speed from what they show did let us see.
So, roughly 16 years for a fast Star Trek ship to cross the Milky Way Galaxy in a straight line without stopping... 32 years round trip.
Well, no. The fastest Star Trek ships can move instantaneously through time and space (29th century Federation). Slower forms of transportation can deploy anywhere in the galaxy in minutes (Borg, Voth, 26th century Starfleet)) What you are talking about is probably 24th century Starfleet; probably the most well known faction, but not the fastest Star Trek has to offer.
It’s kind of a misnomer to compare traveling faster than light through space to traveling through hyperspace. Hyperspace is not actual space, is magical Star Wars alternate plane or dimension separate from regular space. As we see in The Mandalorian Chapter 10: The Passenger the old Razor Crest can travel between star systems (actually the map shows that the Trask moon is four stars away and Peli Motto says “it’s only one sector over”) in what appears to be less than three days (in the Milky Way Galaxy the average distance between star systems is between 3 and 4 light years). So even at what they refer to as “sub-light” speed in Star Wars they are going extremely fast. Even if it were “only” 1/2 a light year between each of the three star systems shown in the map and what is shown is a montage -and it actually takes a month, (the frog lady said they had to be there before the equinox) the that distance in such a short time 2.5 light years (1/2 light year per star system) is an insane distance to cover. Even in 30 days it would be around 0.03 light years per day or about 0.0014 light years per hour (8.33 billion miles per hour) or about 12 times the speed of light. So, since the distance is, no doubt greater, and the time is much shorter, clearly “sublight” travel in Star Wars is faster than the speed of light.
The problem with this is that it tries to use Disney Star Wars hyperspace speeds, which are incongruous with the OT. In Disney Star Wars hyperspace is treated as simple teleportation, you have ships crossing the galaxy at the drop of a hat. This may work for a video game because you can skip the waiting time for travel with a load screen, but it does not work well otherwise.
In the OT it can take weeks using top of the line hyperdrives like the one on the Falcon, which was one of the fastest drives in the galaxy. Even for the relatively short jump from Tattooine to Alderaan. This is also why the Rebels actually had time to fully analyze the Death Star plans to find the weak point, as it as a complex moon sized station. If OT hyperspace worked at Disney Star Wars speed then the Death Star would have just popped into the system just after the Falcon exited hyperspace. With the Rebels having no time to figure out a plan and prepare to launch an attack.
There was no real proof any trip in the original trilogy took that long, though, especially as Vader is told the Falcon matches a ship that blasted out of Mos Eisley 'this morning', when it is captured on the Death Star, @TankHunter678 . So we can extend some trips further, but not that much, in this case.
Warp Drive does not take you out of the universe like Hyper Space does. In a battle the warp ships could jump around to flank the Star Wars ships because Star Wars ships are larger and slower in normal space. You also have to take into account Trans Warp and Trans Warp conduits. If Hyper Space started off using gates then it is possible that the events of Star Trek happened before Star Wars. Maybe the Yuuzhan Vong's great enemy they were running from in their home galaxy was the Borg.
this episode was a hate crime against the franchise. I therefore would not put too much effort into deconstructing it.
Something’s really off here. In the Clone Wars era the Venator Class would take about 2 weeks to cross their own entire galaxy straight across. And considering that the U.S.S. Voyager takes 210 years give or take a few in the Milkyway wich is considerably smaller than the galaxy shown throughout Star Wars. A rounded off number suggests Milkyway is about 3/4 of the Star Wars galaxy. Considering that none of the numbers in the sequels add up. The original movies had issues with this too, but had it slightly fixed in the Pre-sequels and properly done in the Clone Wars series. Similar to what happened later on in TNG after it was pointed out their warp scale made no sense. Essentially if it takes the sequel era ships mere hours to cross the Galaxy either their ships have become incredibly faster wich is highly unlikely as they mainly used scrapped ships and repaired them or re-configured/re-designed them, or the galaxy shrunk af into a tiny version of it’self.
Most people seem to think Star Trek is somehow the more realistic between the two franchises, but that's silly. Moving at the speeds the ships of Star Trek do in "warp" would completely f*ck time
-space. It's called relativity. Yet the Star Trek universe ignores it's existence. In Star Wars they simply avoid the problem altogether by traveling through higher dimensions, the 4th and 5th. That is actually more realistic.
If the hyperdrive is so fast imagine how fast ludicrous speed is! I mean in star wars they never gone to plad!
We know the borg would win this speed contest. Transwarp hubs are fast, voyager went from over half the galaxy away to home in at most 20 minutes using one.
And yet in the Stargate, the best of the Star-s, a ship can cross the void between galaxies in mere weeks. Days if you have enough power
Least as far as I can reckon, Hyperspace travel doesn't work like warp speed. Hyperspace speed varies so much because hyperspace itself, or at least the mechanism of interaction for ships, varies a lot.
Mostly the interactions with the smashing into things mechanism. Gravity wells make hyperspace travel impossible, so running into one will pull you out of hyperspace and at that point you're going SPLAT on what ever planet you were aimed at.
Not all hyper drives travel at the same speed.
Don't forget that the Star Wars setting has galactic hyperlanes that vary in terms how easy it is to travel on them. Star Wars ships travel on a road network, the larger road the quicker it is to travel. And don't we already have the speeds of hyperspace travel? We do have the hyperdrive ratings? A rating of 1 means the speed of light, a rating of 2 means doubled travel time. And the Millenium falcon travel at four times the speed of light, by default. Not factoring in the galactic highways and the like.
The only issue I see is travelling in starfighters if you are not a jedi, you need to eat and go to the bathroom sometime.
Really good calculations but parsecs may be a measurement of distance in real life, but in Star Wars, it’s a measurement of time. Han Solo says he made the Cesal Run(my bad if I spelled that wrong) in les than 12 parsecs.
You forgot that light in StarWars don't travel very fast. Just look at the lasers shooting from those guns
The problem comparing star trek to star wars is ST is science fiction and SW is fantasy(space fantasy but still fantasy). Therefore Star Trek has to abide by the rules it sets where as Star Wars can just say "it's the force man" to any inconsistencies.
I think the far, far away galaxy of Star Wars is really just a much smaller galaxy than the Milky Way.
How does what Han said make any sense, that the Falcon can make .5 past light speed when we know that it travels tens of millions of times past light speed.
I feel like with Star Wars its less about speed/velocity and more about using interdimensional travel to cross folded-space.
Future Speed Limits: The Speed of Light. Not just a good idea. It’s the law.
In Revenge of the Sith, the Emperor senses that Vader is losing against Obi-Wan and jumps on a shuttle to get to him. The fight could not have gone for more than a few minutes after that. So the Emperor gets from Corruscant in the Core Worlds to Mustafar in the Outer Rim, picks up Vader and takes him back to Corruscant to get medical help.
They made a trip halfway across the galaxy and back before Vader got to see any doctor or medic. This probably wasn't a journey of hours and more like minutes.
In episode 4, Luke seems to be going to search for R2D2 and destroy the Death Star on the same day. On basically all maps, Tattooine and Yavin are on opposite sides of the galaxy.
Considering it's Rian Johnson, I'm pretty sure he genuinely thought Parsecs were a measurement of time.
Just look at the technological level star wars is on. They turned planets into machines and built moons. They have concurred an entire half of the galaxy and seem to have created an advanced borg warp tunnel or mycelial network. Star fleet has like a hundred to 1000 ships imperial era navy was like 20 thousand star destroyers or more. Not to mention a star destroyer is like 3 times larger with probably 8 times the mass as it's more solid than the enterprise.
At those speeds, someone would have tried to see what's beyond their galaxy, even where the universe ends or if it's circular.
Does this take into account the speed and motion at which the Galaxy moves through space in relation to the direction that one is traveling?
Oops. Stargate's Daedalus-class can blow that speed out of the window.
Stargate's ships completely leave this dimension, so they're not affected by anything in it unless something specifically messes with the hyperspace dimension. And even then each race basically has their own layer of hyperspace because the drives are all slightly tuned to a different frequency because of the various designs, it's how Janus made a device that only messed with the Wraith and Stargate layers of subspace. Star wars, and even more, Star Trek have to deal with the physical dimension affecting their subspace dimension when travelling.
Star Trek's warp speeds are wildly inconsistent throughout the TV series and movies alike. The "official" numbers are always made to be painfully slow because Gene Roddenberry wanted travel around the galaxy to take a long long time so there could be that feeling of the galaxy having a lot of unexplored frontiers, yet writers of individual episodes had to bend those rules in order for the Enterprise to get around more effectively so it's not taking months or years to cross Federation territory.
Star Wars is a swashbuckling space opera, so they don't care about technical details so much. Ships go as fast as they need to in order to move the plot, and the rapid editing tends to make time seem all the more compressed. So yeah, hyperdrive is crazy fast compared to warp drive.
This is also the same movie that tells us that you can TOTALLY just ram capital ships into oother cap ships; obliterating the point of gravity well generators, the notion that hyperspace can't be induced near or directly at a nearby gravitational body (because why haven't suicidal "hyperspace rams" been around as a warfare strat before this otherwise?).
Treating this movie as canon to the franchise (official or not), is a diservice to all of Star Wars.
Actually, hyperspace ramming has been shown in several comics and movies. One notable example was when three Star Destroyers rammed Executor, and when a CR-90 corvette shot through the necks of at least a half-dozen Star Destroyers. The reason it's not used more often is because a) it wastes a vessel which has tons of uses besides a battering ram and b) when a vessel's shields are up even ramming at hyperspeeds is useless because it renders superluminal impacts impotent. It doesn't negate gravity well projectors; their explicit purpose is to cause a ship to drop from lightspeed and prevent hyperdrives from engaging (if anything, it makes gravity well projectors even more valuable to prevent kamikaze attacks). This question is so ignorant and gets dumber every time I see it... It's like asking, "If Japanese fighters could sink the USS Yorktown and nearly destroy the USS Enterprise with kamikaze attacks, why didn't they just do that in the first place and sink all of the Pacific Fleet?" The level of stupid this question brings up is staggering.
Space travel of great distance would require traveling backwards in time.
Ok... You know very well nobody thought of or cared at all about where they drew those planets. The writers just don't care enough to make everything realistic. You put in way more effort in this video than they did on most of the script.
I agree with the speed that you have presented because at the end of Empire strikes back. After Luke Skywalker got his hand replaced with a mechanical one on the medical ship. He and Leia Organa where looking out the ships window at the Starwars galaxy.
I would imagine that you would have to travel pretty far to be able to see a galaxy in full view. On top of that they had to make the journey in a matter of a hour or days other wise Luke would have already had his hand replace instead of it being in the process of being replaced.
Or they give no consideration to the distances and speeds at all. In Rogue One they launch their ships and travel all the way from Yavin to Scarif in just under two minutes of run time, which may well be in 'real time' as well since Jyn Erso doesn't even have time to go from the antechamber to the archive control room in that time.
That's enteresting, our Slav ancestors traveled faster then lightspeed, it took them around a week to travel to 6 planets that where a couple hundred lightyears apart, wonder how fast they where traveling.
And Serenity is slower than everyone with no FTL speed but the stories were great.
Curious how transwarp and hyperspace corridors even looks similar....
this form of travel is prob closer to transwarp or slip speed then actual warp cause i am pretty sure warp has u traveling in more of a straight line
This assumes Disney knows how hyperspace works... We already know they don't understand lightsabres, so why would anyone think they would have a clue about hyperspace?
Yep, I always knew Starwars ships are faster than Star Trek ships. Just did not know by how much. I knew the difference is between years, and hours.
And to spot every Star Wars Fanboy Channel saying that Star Wars doesn't use lasers when that's what they're called on screen they are lasers and they just say this because they can't accept the fact the galaxy-class Starship can take out a super star destroyer no problem the only thing that might be able to penetrate a galaxy-class of shield and destroyed is a Death Star that's it that's the only weapon I will probably wouldn't just sit there and let him shoot it like a planet would apply Dodge to shot and blast the Death Star with antimatter torpedoes which was easily penetrated shield in destroy it
In the Fantasy Flight RPG, so I have no idea how canon this is, hyperdrive class is a multiplier to time it takes to travel a certain distance, with class 1 being the standard. A class 0.5 hyperdrive is twice as fast as a class 1, which is twice as fast as a class 2.
i think of it this way: Star Wars is science fantasy and exists as such. Star Trek is realistic and operates on realistic rules, even for events and terminology that are made up.
If Voyager had that hyperdrive the borg would be constantly after that ship to assimilate that tech
Yes, but you forgot *Spaceballs* and their *Ludicrous Speed*
When you go plaid, all bets are off.
Go past this part. In fact, never play this again.
And the necrons and their I shit you not the faster then everyone drives
@@Fishrokk p l a i d
Haiperspace Is a different dimension
FTL is always interesting grounds in SciFi. Star Trek has Warp Speed which may well be slower, but it's a slower paced franchise in general. Halo is interesting where Human ships could escape into slipspace only to find the Covenant fleet that left hours after them, waiting for their emergence. Forerunner mastered FTL to the point their infantry have it.
And then there's Warhammer 40k, where you can arrive as early as yesterday and as late as 500 years in the future.
there have been ships that existed the warp in 40k that entered it before the fall of the eldar empire so 10 to 15 thousand years, and it only felt like a few hours to them. meanwhile there have been ships that arrived a few hours after they left but the crew experienced thousands of years
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Holy crap the warp is an even shittier FTL Option than I thought with this tidbit.
@@kraigisboss Everything about 40k is shitty. It's a horrible, horrible place to live. And we love it.
@@destyrian sounds like Palatine would have a vacation home there lol
You forgot to mention that in Warhammer 40k there is also the possibility to make a covenant with a god while you are traveling, so things don't get boring. In-flight entertainment! :D
Hyperspace speed is heavily dependent on the amount of data available. Using a major trade lane will let you cross the galaxy at mindblowing speeds. Traveling throw the middle of nowhere - well.
It's not that you can't go fast without data, it's just that you would essentially be driving your car blind and hoping you don't slam into anything while going fast. They go slow so that way if something pops up in their path they have more time to stop. It's why the randomness of the purrgil annoys people, especially when they cause crashes.
With the lack of cohesive, planned, Canonical writing in these movies I think looking too deeply into any details may well make the entire thing unravel... in many spots it feels like the writers of one film are TRYING to unravel any continuity from the previous film.
Kind of like real life, I remember me and my family went on a road trip and my dad had the bright idea to take a shortcut through the woods, said we would get there in half the time it would take using the main roads, it ended up taking even longer then if we just used the highway XD
"They'll never get there in time to save him, they have to come half-way across the galaxy." -- Padme, Attack of the Clones
If anything, that says more about the Geonosian justice system and how they deal with spys.
then again, that was hyperspace tech from around 70 years before
@@luiscolin7775 I think Acclamator-class assault ships have pretty fast hyperdrives, though. I think they have Class 1.0 hyperdrives.
@@MaxWelton they have class 0.6
@@joelbibeault1169 No, they don't.
In legends, they measured hyperspace closer to 1,500x the speed of light....it's very inconsistent...I think Hyperspace speeds are as fast or slow as the script and screen writers need it to be.
WE TRAVEL AT THE SPEED OF PLOT
Seems to be the same with warp drive really. we know what the tech manuals say, but they violate those figures constantly. I play a lot of Elite Dangerous and I learned that at 500c it takes forever to get anywhere.....lol
Tasty Treats It depends on the ship in my opinion.
Speeds below 1.2 million times light are extremely unlikely, given the 'days/weeks' to cross the galaxy assumption. The slowest flight was actually Tatooine to Geonosis, which may have taken over a day to cross only 1 parsec/ 3 light years.
Legends is stupid.
Since Star Wars doesn’t really care about science and hyperspace is a different dimension maybe there are hyperspace currents
More like mass creates gravity shadows and wells on the dimension, so flying near a planet in hyperspace or a star is a bad idea, its gravity well will pull you out, then its either a case of SPLAT or burning up. It's why interdictors work, they create fake gravity wells and anything passing by loses their hyperdrive.
No not evan the people in star wars don't fully understand it It was reverse enginerd from a specicis named the rucatdan so shut up
@@robertnegotei3495 I bet your diet consists of fried butter.
If you think star trek gives two shits about science either I've got bad news for your understanding of science.
There's so much unobtainium, technobabble and utter bs it's just as ludicrous.
Just pop popcorn, sit back and unplug your brain.
The fanboiz who argue one sides more accurate than the other makes Asimov spin so hard in his grave we could end oil dependency just by hooking a generator to the corpse.
@@robertnegotei3495 you mean the Rakata?