Word for the Weekend - Honest Questions for our Pre-Trib Brethren
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❤🇱🇰 God used your Peshat/Pesher teaching in my life to bring me OUT of 38yrs of pre-trib indoctrination in 2022. Praise the Lord for using you to illuminate the Scriptures from the original texts. ❤️
Outstanding as always Jacob!! Much ❤
Jacob.
You have not lost me as a friend. Or listener of your teachings.
I hope for a pre trib rapture.
BUT. I am wise enough to know. It might not go as I hope.
So I decided just to be ready for anything.
My brother, (i am in no way trying to speak for Jacob, at all) I like you for a long time since my conversion was taught, 'Pre-Trib' Rapture was and is a Fact, I luxuriated in the 'fact' that Christ would take me and my loved ones Home and we would miss 'The Tribulation' .(whether in total or in part) .. However, i am grateful to our Heavenly Father for opening my eyes, through the Spirit, and showing me that pre trib is in fact a 'lie against Scripture'....
*David* let me in love, counsel you to *NOT* 'hope' that say, you may indeed be right, *BUT RATHER BE PREPARED* for the Christs coming and the difficulties to be faced during the Tribulation,..... *To quote you brother David* "i decided just to be ready for anything" Please let me ask you the question; (and keep the answer to yourself) *How can you be ready for Something?, if you have Not studied what is entailed if 'pre trib is a lie' , ARE YOU prepared particularly spiritually for enduring The Tribulation, not to mention practically.
*David my comment is not to try and trick, nor force you to accept that which you do not, rather tis to ENCOURAGE you to learn and discover that which you are unsure off, and by the Grace of God, you can in turn educate friends/family/church brethern whom believe in 'pre trib* My commen t is made in Christian Love, and hope tis read understanding that.
May God Bless you as you seek the truth David
Blessings F
All will come to pass exactly in the Lord’s timing. Be faithful at all times.
I love your music choices! What a blessing!
Blessings
Blessings to you both 🙏🏾
excellent teaching again from Jacob, it amazes me that Jacobs seminars aren't packed to the teeth but a vivid reminder of the days of Noah where only 8 was saved.
Thank you Jacob. Individuals need to do an in-depth study of the tribulation, wrath words etc seeing the Greek meaning of these words and they will see that your teachings are correct. However, pre trib brothers and sisters usually use teachings of Amir, Kay Arthur, etcto prove their case and that is where they go wrong. I will continue to pray for them. God bless you Jacob.
Thank you Brother Jacob for this attempt to bring clarity to the ongoing shuffle of the "Harpzo" doctrine. I've been a "Christian" 44 yrs and have watched many "end of the age" contestant's deal their "rapture" theories at the table known as, " Yupyup this is the one." In this hour of go with the flow mentality, there will come a day when this shuffling will stop. Reality will rip the false doctrine's from the impersonator's hands, and their shame will be know by all. As a fellow "Man of God" I'm pretty sure this "word picture" will find a kindred spirit with you. The scenario goes as follows. [ A pastor from a predominantly "pre-tribulation" persuasion has been teaching on "end of the age" topics. He, "providing the pastor is a he," has already spoke on the "rapture" and now has his next message prepared for the following worship day. Time wise it is Saturday evening and as usual he is seated in his TV chair watching the world news. Being attentive as any "Man of God" should be, he hears a disturbing announcement an immediately perks-up. He cannot believe what he has just heard. He has just been informed that the "Antichrist" has just been seen entering the "Temple." His heart drops to his feet and thinks to himself, "what am I to do tomorrow, I've just ministered on this and was firmly adamant against anything not "pre-tribulation." The congregation will surely be perplexed and rampant, demanding accountability. He cannot escape or lose face in what little he has left, so, he decides to stand his ground. In all of this his only hope at this point will be, " Ephesians chapter 6, the armor of God." for surly he will have need of it that day. ]
What I can't believe is why there isn't tens of thousands in Jacobs meetings ?
I was blessed to have been present at this particular meeting, and upon arrival I looked at the small conference room with perhaps seating for 40 and thought the same sentiments as you. Narrow is the gate.
@@mcREN4CR it's actually frightening only a remnent are. Saved
Not surprising! A remnant will continue to be fed the proper food at the proper time by others like Jacob and we're greatful of God's continous love and mercy.The good thing is Jacob's teaching is being heard all over the world!
Because narrow is the road and few will be in it.
because hopium is more popular
I always pray for God to show me truth in the word and don't let me be deceived. Just left my Baptist church from the last 3 years..when the Holy spirit showed me the truth in the word that pre..trib is a lie as well as dispensation.. Theological lies all over the church. OSAS..and pre trib is an easy gospel..deception. Praise God ..he says if you want wisdom seek Him.❤🙏😊
REV 3:10 - “Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will KEEP YOU FROM THE HOUR OF TRIAL which shall come upon the WHOLE WORLD, to TEST those who DWELL ON THE EARTH."
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest ‘keep them from’ (tereo ek) the evil.
John 17:15
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will ‘keep thee from’ (tereo ek) the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Revelation 3:10
See the 1 hour 39 min point of this teaching to address the Rev 3:10 issue.
“If you take away the yoke from your midst,
The pointing of the finger, and speaking wickedness,.... When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
Thanks Jacob.....I do wish that God's Word is referred to more in this video.....not saying you're wrong tho.......I listen to you and David Pawson and Andy Wood most often.....Please reach out to A.Wood privately and ask if you both can privately discuss pretrib with God's Word open & the Holy Spirit guiding you both.....if A.Wood agrees then great !! If not then....oh well
Apologies guys, i was confident i had subbed to RTN TV a long time ago!! alas not, but tis resolved now, at last.
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Did that a few years ago. Also, beginning Oct. 7 (May have been the 8th), we have been flying the Israel flag on one of our three flagpoles in our yard. (Incidentally, the slightly highest pole reserved for our USA flag, has been flying our country’s revered flag upside-down since January 20, 2021, the fateful day when Obiden took office. It will fly upside down (it means distress) until January 20, 2025, when hopefully some sense of normalcy will return to our besieged country.
Then how do you explain David Hokings teaching??
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1 THES 5:9 - For God HATH NOT APPOINTED us to WRATH, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ (The Context is "The Day of the Lord" , Tribulation period)
The LAST TRUMPET!!!
@@tempelhoferfeld7727 Feast of Trumpets 2024
His teaching agrees with 1 Thes 5:9.
Matthew 24:29-31 NASB1995
[29] “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. [30] And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. [31] And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
Read verses before Matt. 24:29. Yeshua is speaking to the JEWS. Do you live in Judea? Do you live on your housetop? Why would it matter if the Rapture was on a Sabbath?
It is appointed to man to die once. This rapture stuff I believe is mainly symbolic. I believe we will all have to die once, and then face the judgement.
I used to believe pretrib, it doesn't make sense to me anymore
Same. What was the 2020 lockdown of the world if not tribulation? 😳
But maybe we can know the year? As in 7 years from.....
2024 During Feast of Trumpets
Scofield was framed. In our view.
I love jacobs teaching but if Christians believe in the pre trib rapture surely they will want to be ready for Jesus return just like intra seal believers. Only those who don't believe in the rapture will not be ready? .
This is for R.
2 Thessalonians 2:2-5 NASB1995
[2] that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. [3] Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, [4] who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. [5] Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things
GALATIANS 5:22,23
But the fruit of the Spirit is
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I am a pre-tribber.....You say SHOW ME THE PASSAGE.......I Say, SHOW ME THE PASSAGE FOR YOUR VIEW
I will show you.matt 24 v 29-31. mark 13 v 24-27. 2 thess 2 v1-5 giving the 2 conditions required for the rapture.
@@bertgoat MAT 24:29-31 is Yeshua's SECOND COMING, NOT the Rapture
Mark 13:24-27 is Yeshua's SECOND COMING, NOT the Rapture
2 Thes 2:1-5 (READ Verse 2 - FOR CONTEXT). Yeshua is speaking of the DAY OF THE LORD - Tribulation) This has NOTHING to do with the Rapture....We pre-tribbers also use that scripture to show when the Tribulation starts
NOTE: When Yeshua said this, the "CHURCH" wasn't even born yet....that didn't happen until Acts 2 so he wasn't talking to US
@@marionhallee9710 absolutely wrong.the tribulation starts in matt 24 v21. the next verse says unless those days were cut short no flesh would be left alive. If that is the case the elect are clearly on earth. As to the timing of matt 24 v 29, Jesus is coming on the clouds and sends the angels to gather the elect. Where is the horse ?where is the bloodied garment ?where is the sword of the spirit ? all spoken of in Rev 19 v 11 and following? In rev 19 he is coming WITH the saints, in matt 24 he is coming FOR the saints.The day of the lord heralds the wrath (orge) of God Isa 13 v 6-13 , joel 2 v 30-32 Zeph 1 v 7-8 Isa 34 v 1-4 as opposed to the tribulation (thlipsis).
@@bertgoat read Rev 3:10
@@marionhallee9710 What about it? the hour of trial is the wrath of God preceded by the day of the lord.we are not appointed to wrath. I notice you clearly dismissed the scriptures i have supplied you. you act like a jehovahs witness where when you cant make a valid argument you change the subject to something irrelevant.
Pre-trib is not in the Bible
I've posted MANY verses on this platform that prove the PRE-TRIB
It is a kind of sealioning that is going on here. Jacob Prasch is NOT sincere about dialoguing at all. He is really a theological bully who is deeply entrenched in his convictions. His questions are heavily biased to get the answers he has concluded. If he was shown to be wrong, I doubt he would admit it. He is really about setting up strawmen to knock down here. There are a few things I would say to him. Firstly, the early believers linked to the apostles? Well, some writings from that period are not inconsistent with a PT rapture. Later, it was dismissed. Irenaeus believed in a millennium reign after the resurrection of the dead. He is really the earliest and it is inconclusive looking at his writing what form he expected the resurrection to take. Secondly, Darby did have a biographer, Kelly, who concluded Darby was set in his views by 1830. Darby himself claims to have had his inspiration during a convalescence after a riding accident. To speculate about where Darby got his rapture belief from is always going to be inconclusive but why should Kelly be dismissed ipso facto? Lastly, Jacob makes a big point re thilipsis and Orgre. (t is a bit like agape and phileo when it comes to love). Really, one is not that unlike the other. Tribulation looks pretty like wrath when the 2nd and 3rd seals are open Jacob and the tribulation comes on the whole earth in Rev3:10.
If you want me to explain why I am pre-trib Jacob it is because no interpretation of the scriptures makes better sense. For Darby, it was the separation of church saints from OT saints and millennium saints. To me that is what swings it. God has one ball in play at the moment. It is his church. To have another in play, the church believers of this age need to be gone as it is simply them who currently frustrate the devil. When they are gone in the rapture God will focus on regenerating Israel as well as anyone left who will listen. Re timing? we are told not to speculate here so it could be tomorrow or another thousand years.