Update: The new 20 ga. Survival Loader kits are now available. A big thank you to all who commented with suggestions. Some have been incorporated in the new kits. We listened. The new kits are upgraded to be more user friendly. We added a "Swage Tool" to aid with smoother chambering. Again, thanks to all who contributed. My best regards. Barry thexringusa.com
Just an FYI. The reason the die punch isn't going through, cleanly, when using the wood block, is because your supposed to hit it against the END GRAIN. This will act exactly like the softer rubber mallet. However, I'd have to agree that flipping the punch over is a faster method.
Good morning. In answer to your question. NO. Please. NO. Do Not use any mallet or hammer on a Live or Loaded shell. Once you have powder in the case. DO NOT use anything to strike or hit a live round. The crimping process is by Hand Only. Hitting live or loaded shells is a disaster waiting to happen. And happen it will. Keep your eyes, Keep your fingers. Stay alive. Please don't give the "anti-gunners" more reason's to use against us. They already make the claim that reloading is unsafe and should be banned. Reload smart, reload safe and enjoy the benefits. Hope this information helps. Best regards. Barry
A little note on the rubber mallet. If you DO buy them at Harbor Freight, they come with a lifetime warranty, so even if you break them two years in, you get a new one for free when you bring it back to the store.
Outstanding. I think you will be happy with everything. Please feel free to email if you need information or if I can help. Always willing to help my fellow shooters. Barry
That’s the beauty of the Survival Loader. You get to pick what you want to load/wads. There are a lot of environmental safe materials that can be substituted. Thanks for the comment. It is appreciated. Best regards Barry
QUESTION::::: Is the Primer & Powder shortage real, or another "gun control" method? Why is Canada getting USA made powders & primers when shooters in the US market can't? The Canadian don't seem to have a problem getting American made reloading supplies and ammunition. Primers from Cci and Winchester are available in Canadian stores. :::::::::::::::::::::See for yourself::::::::::::::::::::::::: Here is just one of the many Canadian shops. www.bullseyenorth.com/reloading-primers Even the big 2 here in the USA (cabalas & bass pro) don't have ammo, powder or primers for sale. One reason the US manufacturers claim for the shortage is: millions of 1st. time gun buyers bought the ammunition. QUESTION::: Did they also become 1st. time reloaders? And why can't foreign Primers be imported to fill the gap? Brands such as Seller Bellot, RWS, Fiocchi, have boxer primers, not just burdan. I guess there must have been a lot of 1st time gun buyers and reloaders in Europe. Either way: Maybe I am wrong, I have been wrong on things before. But for now, it's my opinion this is made to order shortage. What do you think
Plus. The corporate pricing reset. Price will stay high. They used COVID excuse to cut their work force. Save on payroll and benefits. Raised the price. Make less product, but at 4 & 5 times the amounts. In the end. They actually make a lot more money. Just plain greed.
May you all have a Happy 4th of July with your friends and family. May you prosper and live in peace through-out the rest of the year. Best regards Barry @ The X Ring USA
PLEASE don't make wads of any type out of !@#$!@# plastic! Paper products, natural fibers, etc. that can decompose & not end up polluting the environment for 1000s of years w/ microplastics only. Remember, we hunters are the 1st conservationists, *because* we want our descendants to have the same pleasure afield as we enjoy!
Thanks a good idea. Thank you for bringing it to our attention. The Wad making process is the same for any material you choose. Thank you again for commenting. 🖖
I use the primer boxes, wad boxes, cigarette packs, boxes from zip lock bags and so on. That type of card stock works great. Being broke most the time I've even started reclaiming plastic wad cups that are in good shape. Been reloading metallic cartridges for years and fairly new to shotshell loading, but I've been a brass gremlin and broke for a long time! 😂😂
Glad to help....here is the information.... Best regards Barry.............................. Hole punch size for “Over-shot” wads The punches are actually Leather Craft hole punches. You can find them as singles or in sets. Below is the information on the sizes and where they can be bought. I suggest just buying them as singles, unless you want to have a compete set, The metric are not expensive since they are imported. I found my single punches on ETSY. They were about $4 to $5 each. I tried many different sizes before finding just the right fit. In my opinion, the sizes listed seem to work best. The best are made by C.S. Osborne. Made in the USA Metric::: Imported and can be found on ETSY. But also they are available on Ebay, Amazon, or large selection from Tandy Leather. Normally they are available, either as a single punch or in sets. 410 ga. = 13/32 US size is best or a second best 10.5 mm 20 ga. = 11/16 US size is best or a second best 17.5 mm 12 ga. = 3/4 US size is best or a second 19 mm
Yep. I use a $3 rubber mallet I bought from HB about 5 years ago. For this job. It lasts a long time. Thank you for commenting. It is appreciated. New videos will be coming once we get over this killer heat here in AZ. 👍Best regards. Barry
We are re-stocked. We have the 410 ga-bore kits back in stock and for sale on our website. Thank you to those who asked to be on the email notification list. We have made those notifications. If we missed anyone, we apologize. Thank you all. Keep being safe. Let’s get America cured and up and running again. Best regards Barry-sales
We received our parts. 12 ga. Survival Loaders will again be for sale starting Tuesday morning Oct. 27th. Thanks to all for your patience, Best regards Barry-sales
Okay that's friggin' awesome. I have to punch a lot of stuff for making pyro, and that looks like an incredible sanity-saver when punching corrugated or foam.
Update from Barry at The X Ring USA llc The 410 Survival Loader kits are temporarily out of stock. Our CNC machining facility has closed due to the Virus emergency. (the 410 kits and newly coming 20 ga. are on hold pending getting parts) We are well stocked with 12 ga. kits. These are currently available. As a result of this Pandemic: Some people discovered that having the ability to reload ammunition, beats standing in-line at a Gun Shop; only to find they are sold out. Hopefully this Virus emergency will be short lived. Until that time; may you and yours be Blessed to get safely through this Pandemic. My best regards. Barry (co-owner)
We should have more in 2 or 3 weeks. They are $64.95 with free shipping to a USA address. International buyers need to send an email for the shipping quote. But to the USA, shipping is free. Thanks for asking. Barry
Good morning John: Yes to the 20 ga. the 20 ga. is in the works. we are doing prototypes. as for time frame? we project it will be available near the end of this year. as of now, we are trying to keep up with the demand for the 410 and 12 ga. kits. when a new product (20ga.) becomes available, our subscribers will get notified first and receive the first discount pricing. best regards Barry
good luck getting any use out of this method for anything but 20 and 12 ga 13/32 is way undersized for 410, you're going to get nothing but bloopers wit that
I am thinking on my doing one on my way to make pretty accurate 410 slug shells. Gotta give it more thought before I commit. I will be sure to let you know when I post. I have a couple of dual posts with different titles on. This is to generate more people learning the techniques.
Thanks Barry. I've just begun doing manually reloaded 12 gauge full brass shells. I bought a punch but have had a lot of trouble getting it to knock all teh pay through my material every time. This is the answer I needed.
good to hear...reloading is not only fun but can be economical,,,,as for the punches, I bought mine as a set....here are the sizes that I found worked best for a snug fit:::: The rubber mallet was from Harbor Freight 4 years ago,, $3 bucks & still going strong Best regards,,,,,,,,,,Barry 410 ga. = 13/32 is best or a second best 10.5 mm 20 ga. = 11/16 is best or a second best 17.5 mm 12 ga. = 3/4 is best or a second 19 mm
Sorry but you obviously sound like the fake reviews we often see on products whereby can tell its the business themselves or their friends/family making the fake positive reviews for their own products
Thank you for commenting>>>please feel free to share with our fellow Sportsmen any tips or ideas...we are always open to learn new things.......best regards...Barry
UPDATE::: We are updating the 410 gauge Survival Loader kit to include the Hornady Crimp Starter tool. This will make crimping even easier at no increase in price. Best regards to all.
@@Uriah625 : Yes, the new Hornady 410 Crimp Starter will be there. When you order on our webstore, please add a note so that I know it is You making the order for or notification/specials list. Best regards. Barry
Great tip, horrible crimp. The overshot wad is there as a filler so the crimp is good, not for a horrible crimp so the colors can be viewed.. WTF 🤷 If you want to use overshot wads to mark or color code, then use a roll crimp so it at least looks like it was done properly.
Hello Antar; I apologize for the delay in getting back to you. Yes, you can make your own wads as seen in the video instead of the "cup style" wads. BUT There are some things to consider. There are "Over the Powder" wads and "Over the shot-load" wads. The "Over the Powder" wads need to be non-flammable for obvious reasons. Back in the old days before Cup wads, they used flame retardant materials such Cork or Felt. Plus they were fairly thick. This was to make sure there was a tight gas seal. and to take up room inside the case so that the shot-load didn't rattle around. The "Over the shot-load" wads add to the padding against the shot load and also take up any extra space. If you are not using a Cup style wad and are using Lead-shot, you may have to clean your barrel more frequently. The lead shot will touch the barrel as it travels down the bore. BUT, if you are using Steel Shot. I strongly suggest you use the Cup style wads to avoid damage to the barrel. I hope this information helps. I appreciate you commenting. Others reads these posts and may also have information that can help. Best regards. Barry-sales
@@barrydeclined2547 I appreciate the detailed explanation .. I think I'll make some wads from felt or cork since .410 ga plastic cups are rare where I live .. Thanks again
Good morning. Yes. We frequently ship to Canada. Please contact us via our website to get the instructions for placing an International order. thexringusa.com PS: we also have an associate dealer selling on Ebay. Here is that link. Survival Loader 410 bore/ga. (premium) www.ebay.com/itm/124165006574?hash=item1ce8cfa4ee:g:WQYAAOSwwUhgQTcr&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoIpPX6N8obt0%2FueXzDcHqMCiQDsLa9c9%2FsZOEqeE%2BpzzQ2iM6nGIVUTlKy3weliz4VhlxxuX3EHUp7BgmYpRDDQmJXdtmc%2FWjVHtHXPvC3MSsMOk0ECxP8ZzM%2B9%2BUXwoSRzHK7ajC4QjGhWECn5Z5iMSUbfHMwKltBA2CSWQOvL%2Bma62pVZYTEwqbmoMjlE77Y7ANK40vjrmoPLnFqUnUeI%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9KrpvyvYQ
Hello Nicolas. The punches can be found on ebay or at craft stores such as Tandy Learher. I bought a set on ebay for a fairly low price. A set is nice as they are very useful for many other projects. They are not expensive. To get a nice snug fit that is not overly tight, I use the following sizes: 410 ga. = 13/32 12 ga. = 3/4 Hope this helps. Feel free to write anytime. Best regards. Barry
where can I get the 12 gauge punch tool? I went to website and saw only survival reloading tool. Those are cool too, I have a Russian one with a mini press.
its a 3/4" gasket punch for 12, 5/8" for 20, no other standard punches will work for any other gauge as far as I can tell, no company offers shotgun wad punches for sale in any gauge except the antique ones
Good morning Jonathan and thank you for posting a comment. The video is just information to help other shooters. We do not sell Wad kits or supplies. Shooters and re-loaders try to look out for one another. With all the anti-gun stuff; we try to take care of each other since one else will. I hope you found the video information. It’s a nice way to make Wads and save money. Thank you again. Best regards Barry
This applies to International sales only: Normally we ship to International customers. However; Due to the Virus lockdown, and the rising case numbers, we had to again suspend International shipping. A dealer is posting Survival Loader Kits on Ebay. Ebay still ships Internationally through their Global Program. This is a temporary alternative until such time the Virus emergency clears. Best regards Barry On Ebay: 410 bore/ga. 410 ga-bore Reloader - "Survival Reloader" - Load Anywhere - Load Anytime Item ID: 124165006574 12 ga. PLUS (deluxe) 12 ga. Survival Reloader PLUS (deluxe) - manual hand reloader (Item ID: 123768131797) 12 ga. Basic 12 ga. Reloader - Survival Reloader BASIC kit - Load Anywhere - Anytime (Item ID: 123701963446)
They are basically hole punches used for leather craft. You can get them on Amazon or on Ebay. They are not expensive. The 410 size is 13/32" The 12 ga size is 3/4" Hope this helps. Best regards. Barry
Yes we are still in business. For those that have asked that question. Yes, we are running full speed to keep up with orders. The link to our webstore is active. thexringusa.com email address: thexringusa@yahoo.com
@@barrydeclined2547 thanks,I went to your site yesterday, i need this reloader bad,a 5 pack of 410. Is 10 dollars. If you can find them.one question is how much is it,thank u for your time barry.i am definitely buying one when your CNC is back up and running. God bless yall
@@skyb8687 Hello Sky. The 410 Survival Loader Kit is $64.95 with USA free shipping. The Powder-Shot Vials (16 per order) at $9.95 with USA free shipping. When the 410 Survival Loader Kits are in our hands, we will let everyone who is on our notification list know so they can order. That said, we should be pretty well stocked in this next delivery. Barry
The punches are actually Leather Craft hole punches. You can find them as singles or in sets. Below is the information on sizes and where they can be bought. I bought mine on ETSY, but they are also available on Ebay, Amazon and from Tandy Leather. USA made are from C.S. Osborne. Or, the imported ones also do well. But since they are usually metric, they will not be exactly the US decimal size. I have both US decimal and Metric. I cant really tell much different in getting a snug fit. 410 = 13/32 or metric 10.5mm 20ga. = 11/16 or metric 17.5mm 12ga. = 3/4 or metric 19mm Hope this helps. Best regards Barry
i dont know, I've filled that space with lesser shot... not for hunting or target but for home defense. i just fill a buckshot load with #4 or to be honist what i have at hand. I mean if your shooting a bad guy why throw foam when your can throw lead - i dont care what size. Ive used this kind of thing for roll crimps but its usually just a thin bit of card board.
Barry, will you guys please make a survival loader for 20 gauge? It is arguable the most important gauge for hunting small game. I don't understand why the 410 was made before the 20 but I'm glad you made it. thanks
Good evening Tim. Eventually we will do the 20 gauge. We started with the 410 due to it being a ladies and beginners shotgun, plus the popularity of the 410/45 revolvers for self defense. Had to start somewhere. LOL. But we will eventually get the 20 gauge out there, hopefully sometime in 2019. Also. We will be doing updated videos. we have now updated the 410 ga. kits to be like the 12 ga. kits. The Hornady Crimp Starter will be a standard component to help our shooters make the best crimps possible. And, the price will not be going up on the new updated kits. Those that already have our 410 ga. kits, and might want to upgrade it with the Hornady Crimp Starter, can get one on our website. Hopefully the new videos will be online in a month or so. We are in the process of relocating from the state of Washington to the state of Arizona. Feel free to give input anytime, it is appreciated and we do listen. Barry
@@barrydeclined2547 Good morning, I love shooting my old H&R break action single barrel shotguns and I just purchased a Lee Load All II for 12 ga (and the conversion kit for 20 ga) and I'm excited to start learning how to reload my own shotshells for rabbit, squirrel and other small game. Single shot break action 12 ga is probably the most versatile shotgun ever made, and simple in their construction. There are plenty of people, me included, looking for vintage Lee Hand Loaders but with the current prices of $75-150 it's just way to high. I am so happy that I found thexringusa. I would love to see sets of 12, 20 and 410 shells. I am also very excited about the products at (Short Lane) Gun Adapters.com which I have a few :) Your company and gun adapters.com should join forces to make some awesome packages. Good luck with the 20 ga kit project.
Hello and hopefully this will answer your inquiry. 20 ga. = 11/16 is best or a second best 17.5 mm I use a leather punch made in the USA by C.S. Osborne. Bought it on ETSY for about $6. Hope this helps. Best regards. Barry
Hello Mike: The hole punches that I found make the best friction fit are as follows: 410 = 13/32" 20 ga = 17mm is best. Or 11/16" 12ga = 3/4" I bought a set on Ebay a few years back. I use them frequently to make my "over-shot" wads. I like to use different color over-shot wads along with the Hybrid crimp method. That way I can instantly see what the shell is loaded with. I use red for Buck. white for 7 shot and I use other colors for the various other loads. Some reloaders do not like using over-shot wads, but I personally like them. It gives the crimp something to compress into. I get really decent crimps that way, Anyway, please feel free to write if I can be of help. I will help out the best that I can. Please feel free to comment. Our fellow shooters like to read tips and helpful hints from others, best regards barry
Since we don’t manufacture a Survival Loader in 28 or the 16, I have not explored those components. Unfortunately on that size I can’t give you accurate information. Barry
The punches are actually Leather Craft hole punches. You can find them as singles or in sets. Below is the information on the sizes and where they can be bought. I suggest just buying them as singles, unless you want to have a compete set, The metric are not expensive since they are imported. Single punches are best found on ETSY. They are about $2 to $4 each. I tried many different sizes before finding just the right fit for each gage. Hope this information helps. Best regards. Barry
This is a reply I posted two someone who claimed the "ammo shortage" was nearly over. Thought it might be interesting to share:::::::::::::::::::::::: There never was a shortage. Shooters in Canada had plenty of US made stuff on the shelves and so did buyers Internationally. (go online and check out the Canadian stores) What we have ; is ammunition makers setting us up for the new Prices. When you see ammo that used to be $12 bucks or less now selling for $29 or more, you will think its' a bargain. This is nothing but "price resetting". I was at a major sporting good store just last week. They were at about 1/2 the capacity of ammo on the shelves. Actually they had a fairly good amount. . ,223/556 was $44.95 for a box of 20. This used to be under $5 bucks. When i asked the manager about the prices, he said they are paying 3 times the old "wholesale prices" to the manufacturers. SO This is about the ammo makers just resetting the price and making you glad to pay it. Willing to pay $29.95 for. box of ammo? When you cave, they will have plenty for you to buy.
Oct. 6, 2021 Last week the U.S. Postal Service raised shipping (AGAIN). They also slowed down package delivery as a cost cutting method. Basically; they are charging more to provide less service. We have absorbed this price increase, and have not raised our prices. We ship orders with in 3 business days, excluding weekends & holidays. The rest is up to USPS. Thank you & best regards Barry
This is great thanks, but can you please suggest a bio-degradable material for wads ? Many shoots in UK (rightly in my opinion) do not allow plastic wads. Thanks, Chris
Hello Chris... sorry for taking so long to reply.. I did some research online and found there are several companies who already sell biodegradable shotgun wads.....As for making your own.... I can only think of the old fashion but reliable Cork, or thick cardboard or Felt materials.... If you use Cardboard, be sure to soak in a flame retardant solution to keep the risk of a fire to a minimum. These materials will naturally degrade over time..... These were used in times past, for shotguns before the advent of new technology.... Sorry I can't be of more help.... Best regards.....Barry
Hello Tim and thank you for asking that question. First. LEE used to make manual reloaders for shot shells. But they haven’t for many years now. Look on Ebay. Often a 410 LEE manual kit is north of $150. Ours are also different. They actually resize and make a very decent re-crimp. These are designed for the Survival-Prepper situations. They are also smaller than the old LEE kits. And they are top quality that will last. LEE still makes pistol and rifle manual reloaders at a decent price point. But. For a bug-out manual shot shell reloader,,,,we are head and shoulders above any others. I hope this helps explain to some degree your question. Please let me know if I can be of more help. You might take a look at our Google reviews and those on Ebay. Our website also has a lot of information that may be of some help. thexringusa.com Best regards Barry
@@barrydeclined2547 I see Lee is currently out of stock of the #12 loaders, but I can buy them all day long for less than $50. I happen to have one of the really old ones in the all-cardboard box. FYI, it (optionally) resizes, too. I just bought one in .303 British for a family member. Lee still makes and sells quite a variety of different calibers. You might want to reconsider your loader prices.
@@barrydeclined2547 .410 is far simpler to reload than #12 is; it takes nearly nothing to do that job. It's little wonder that Lee isn't trying to sell those any more. Anyone with the slightest bit of hand skills can easily reload them.
The LEE load all is available. It is typically for mounting on a work bench. They are a good deal. I see they are around $69 or so fro Palmeto. However. Form what I can see, the manual-pocket sized are are not available. Please send me the link and I will be more than willing to check them out. If a person doesn’t need a compact, drop in the pocket shotshell reloader. Then the LEE Load-all is the way to go. The comparison is like a large apples to apricots. We are the smaller apricot. Please send the link. Would love to follow up on any new developments. Best regards Barry
@@barrydeclined2547 Na. I'm talking about the "Lee Classic Loader", which used to be called the "Lee Pocket Loader" because you could easily drop the whole thing in the pocket of your field jacket along with the requisite mallet and a little can of powder and another little can of shot and you'd be hunting pheasant all day. You can very nearly tuck the whole loader into a shirt pocket.
It should still be the same. Next month we are updating videos. But nothing has changed. Can you please tell me what are the issues/problems so we can fix or address them. Your input would be very helpful. Best regards….Barry
Yes. They are a couple of years old. That is going to be corrected at the end of April. New videos and new product information videos with demos. Thank you for the feedback…..Barry
If you send us an email. We will put you on the notification list and give you the heads up when we get them. Our regular CNC machine facility closed due to the Virus lockdown. But we have another company out of state machining parts right now. So. It won’t be long.
If walmart finds out you are using their craft section for reloading they may ban crafts too. Great tip, Thanks.
I love it. Thank you. 😀
But he is crafting 🤣🤣🤣
Update: The new 20 ga. Survival Loader kits are now available.
A big thank you to all who commented with suggestions. Some have been incorporated in the new kits. We listened.
The new kits are upgraded to be more user friendly. We added a "Swage Tool" to aid with smoother chambering.
Again, thanks to all who contributed.
My best regards.
Barry thexringusa.com
Just an FYI. The reason the die punch isn't going through, cleanly, when using the wood block, is because your supposed to hit it against the END GRAIN. This will act exactly like the softer rubber mallet. However, I'd have to agree that flipping the punch over is a faster method.
A years end "Thank You" to all who viewed my video's. Merry Christmas to all and a Happy New Year
Good morning. In answer to your question.
NO. Please. NO.
Do Not use any mallet or hammer on a Live or Loaded shell.
Once you have powder in the case. DO NOT use anything to strike or hit a live round.
The crimping process is by Hand Only.
Hitting live or loaded shells is a disaster waiting to happen. And happen it will.
Keep your eyes, Keep your fingers. Stay alive.
Please don't give the "anti-gunners" more reason's to use against us. They already make the claim that reloading is unsafe and should be banned.
Reload smart, reload safe and enjoy the benefits.
Hope this information helps.
Best regards. Barry
A little note on the rubber mallet. If you DO buy them at Harbor Freight, they come with a lifetime warranty, so even if you break them two years in, you get a new one for free when you bring it back to the store.
That is great information for our readers.
Thank you for commenting. It is appreciated.
Best regards. Barry
Thanks Barry for taking the time to show a fast and efficient manufacturing process. Getting a rubber mallet now.
Outstanding.
I think you will be happy with everything. Please feel free to email if you need information or if I can help.
Always willing to help my fellow shooters.
Barry
Clever, but not really great to leave such plastic discs out in nature, along with our gum wrappers etc.
That’s the beauty of the Survival Loader.
You get to pick what you want to load/wads.
There are a lot of environmental safe materials that can be substituted.
Thanks for the comment. It is appreciated.
Best regards
Barry
QUESTION:::::
Is the Primer & Powder shortage real, or another "gun control" method?
Why is Canada getting USA made powders & primers when shooters in the US market can't?
The Canadian don't seem to have a problem getting American made reloading supplies and ammunition.
Primers from Cci and Winchester are available in Canadian stores.
:::::::::::::::::::::See for yourself:::::::::::::::::::::::::
Here is just one of the many Canadian shops.
www.bullseyenorth.com/reloading-primers
Even the big 2 here in the USA (cabalas & bass pro) don't have ammo, powder or primers for sale.
One reason the US manufacturers claim for the shortage is: millions of 1st. time gun buyers bought the ammunition.
QUESTION:::
Did they also become 1st. time reloaders?
And why can't foreign Primers be imported to fill the gap?
Brands such as Seller Bellot, RWS, Fiocchi, have boxer primers, not just burdan.
I guess there must have been a lot of 1st time gun buyers and reloaders in Europe.
Either way:
Maybe I am wrong, I have been wrong on things before. But for now, it's my opinion this is made to order shortage.
What do you think
I tend to think you're right!
Plus. The corporate pricing reset.
Price will stay high.
They used COVID excuse to cut their work force.
Save on payroll and benefits.
Raised the price.
Make less product, but at 4 & 5 times the amounts.
In the end. They actually make a lot more money.
Just plain greed.
This is something I never thought about. Clever way to get the job done. Thank you for sharing
May you all have a Happy 4th of July with your friends and family.
May you prosper and live in peace through-out the rest of the year.
Best regards
Barry @ The X Ring USA
PLEASE don't make wads of any type out of !@#$!@# plastic! Paper products, natural fibers, etc. that can decompose & not end up polluting the environment for 1000s of years w/ microplastics only. Remember, we hunters are the 1st conservationists, *because* we want our descendants to have the same pleasure afield as we enjoy!
Thanks a good idea. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.
The Wad making process is the same for any material you choose.
Thank you again for commenting. 🖖
I use the primer boxes, wad boxes, cigarette packs, boxes from zip lock bags and so on. That type of card stock works great. Being broke most the time I've even started reclaiming plastic wad cups that are in good shape. Been reloading metallic cartridges for years and fairly new to shotshell loading, but I've been a brass gremlin and broke for a long time! 😂😂
Vflp@@barrydeclined2547
Where can I get the punches? The punches I find at the hardware store are too small.
Glad to help....here is the information....
Best regards
Barry..............................
Hole punch size for “Over-shot” wads
The punches are actually Leather Craft hole punches.
You can find them as singles or in sets.
Below is the information on the sizes and where they can be bought.
I suggest just buying them as singles, unless you want to have a compete set,
The metric are not expensive since they are imported.
I found my single punches on ETSY.
They were about $4 to $5 each.
I tried many different sizes before finding just the right fit. In my opinion, the sizes listed seem to work best.
The best are made by C.S. Osborne. Made in the USA
Metric::: Imported and can be found on ETSY.
But also they are available on Ebay, Amazon, or large selection from Tandy Leather.
Normally they are available, either as a single punch or in sets.
410 ga. = 13/32 US size is best
or a second best 10.5 mm
20 ga. = 11/16 US size is best
or a second best 17.5 mm
12 ga. = 3/4 US size
is best
or a second 19 mm
Wow, nice foamy idea! Now I have a use for them tough rubber mallets from HF that I have in the bottom of my tool box. Thanks Barry!
Yep. I use a $3 rubber mallet I bought from HB about 5 years ago.
For this job. It lasts a long time.
Thank you for commenting. It is appreciated.
New videos will be coming once we get over this killer heat here in AZ.
👍Best regards. Barry
We are re-stocked.
We have the 410 ga-bore kits back in stock and for sale on our website.
Thank you to those who asked to be on the email notification list.
We have made those notifications. If we missed anyone, we apologize.
Thank you all. Keep being safe. Let’s get America cured and up and running again.
Best regards
Barry-sales
We received our parts.
12 ga. Survival Loaders will again be for sale starting Tuesday morning Oct. 27th.
Thanks to all for your patience,
Best regards
Barry-sales
Okay that's friggin' awesome. I have to punch a lot of stuff for making pyro, and that looks like an incredible sanity-saver when punching corrugated or foam.
Update from Barry at The X Ring USA llc
The 410 Survival Loader kits are temporarily out of stock.
Our CNC machining facility has closed due to the Virus emergency.
(the 410 kits and newly coming 20 ga. are on hold pending getting parts)
We are well stocked with 12 ga. kits. These are currently available.
As a result of this Pandemic: Some people discovered that having the ability
to reload ammunition, beats standing in-line at a Gun Shop;
only to find they are sold out.
Hopefully this Virus emergency will be short lived. Until that time; may
you and yours be Blessed to get safely through this Pandemic.
My best regards.
Barry (co-owner)
How much is the kit?? And when can I buy it plz,
We should have more in 2 or 3 weeks. They are $64.95 with free shipping to a USA address. International buyers need to send an email for the shipping quote. But to the USA, shipping is free. Thanks for asking. Barry
Is a kit for 20 gauge available yet. We use a lot of 20 gauge in Northern Alberta Canada. Thanks.
Good morning John: Yes to the 20 ga.
the 20 ga. is in the works. we are doing prototypes.
as for time frame? we project it will be available near the end of this year.
as of now, we are trying to keep up with the demand for the 410 and 12 ga. kits.
when a new product (20ga.) becomes available, our subscribers will get notified first and receive the first discount pricing.
best regards
Barry
good luck getting any use out of this method for anything but 20 and 12 ga
13/32 is way undersized for 410, you're going to get nothing but bloopers wit that
Barry keep making reloading videos please
I am thinking on my doing one on my way to make pretty accurate 410 slug shells. Gotta give it more thought before I commit.
I will be sure to let you know when I post. I have a couple of dual posts with different titles on. This is to generate more people learning the techniques.
kek i was looking for a doom wad tutorial, great video tho ^^
Thanks Barry. I've just begun doing manually reloaded 12 gauge full brass shells. I bought a punch but have had a lot of trouble getting it to knock all teh pay through my material every time. This is the answer I needed.
good to hear...reloading is not only fun but can be economical,,,,as for the punches,
I bought mine as a set....here are the sizes that I found worked best for a snug fit::::
The rubber mallet was from Harbor Freight 4 years ago,, $3 bucks & still going strong
Best regards,,,,,,,,,,Barry
410 ga. = 13/32 is best
or a second best 10.5 mm
20 ga. = 11/16 is best
or a second best 17.5 mm
12 ga. = 3/4 is best
or a second 19 mm
This Company has amazing public relations dept,I asked for some info and got a response immediately, can't wait to give this Company my money.
Sorry but you obviously sound like the fake reviews we often see on products whereby can tell its the business themselves or their friends/family making the fake positive reviews for their own products
@@polliticslie4603 uh ..nope..its an actual review, guy who runs the biz is actually helpful idk
Thanks for your help in getting my order sorted on the xborder shopping
You are most welcome.
Always glad to help a fellow Sportsman. 👍
Nice one. A perfect example of what Mors Kochanski called "Forward thinking backwards"
Thank you for commenting>>>please feel free to share with our fellow Sportsmen any tips or ideas...we are always open to learn new things.......best regards...Barry
just an update.....on the info on Mors.
I just ordered his last book...that kind of knowledge can not be left to die out. thank you again,,,,,Barry
Thanks Barry. I would encourage you to keep on with your prototype. Regards John.
UPDATE:::
We are updating the 410 gauge Survival Loader kit to include the Hornady Crimp Starter tool.
This will make crimping even easier at no increase in price.
Best regards to all.
barry declined just ordered the .410 loader, look forward to getting the little bonus.
@@Uriah625 : Yes, the new Hornady 410 Crimp Starter will be there.
When you order on our webstore, please add a note so that I know it is You making the order for or notification/specials list. Best regards. Barry
barry declined just ordered it off your site last night. Can I still add the note?
Uriah625 Just provide me your City.
I will see what order is yours and know it is you. Barry
barry declined Iron Mountain
That is just darn clever! Thank you for sharing
I appreciate your comment.
Best regards
Barry
simple but what a superb way to do y wads thanks
Great tip, horrible crimp. The overshot wad is there as a filler so the crimp is good, not for a horrible crimp so the colors can be viewed.. WTF 🤷
If you want to use overshot wads to mark or color code, then use a roll crimp so it at least looks like it was done properly.
Who cares as long as it works
Thank you
Very good sir thank you
i thought this was something for wii
Excellent, thank you.
Howdy
Can i use it instead of a cup in a shotshell..
Thanks
Following you from Syria
Hello Antar;
I apologize for the delay in getting back to you.
Yes, you can make your own wads as seen in the video instead of the "cup style" wads.
BUT
There are some things to consider. There are "Over the Powder" wads and "Over the shot-load" wads.
The "Over the Powder" wads need to be non-flammable for obvious reasons.
Back in the old days before Cup wads, they used flame retardant materials such Cork or Felt.
Plus they were fairly thick. This was to make sure there was a tight gas seal. and to take up room inside the case so that the shot-load didn't rattle around.
The "Over the shot-load" wads add to the padding against the shot load and also take up any extra space.
If you are not using a Cup style wad and are using Lead-shot, you may have to clean your barrel more frequently. The lead shot will touch the barrel as it travels down the bore.
BUT, if you are using Steel Shot. I strongly suggest you use the Cup style wads to avoid damage to the barrel.
I hope this information helps.
I appreciate you commenting.
Others reads these posts and may also have information that can help.
Best regards. Barry-sales
@@barrydeclined2547 I appreciate the detailed explanation ..
I think I'll make some wads from felt or cork since .410 ga plastic cups are rare where I live ..
Thanks again
do you ship to Canada?
Good morning.
Yes. We frequently ship to Canada.
Please contact us via our website to get the instructions for placing an International order.
thexringusa.com
PS: we also have an associate dealer selling on Ebay. Here is that link.
Survival Loader 410 bore/ga. (premium)
www.ebay.com/itm/124165006574?hash=item1ce8cfa4ee:g:WQYAAOSwwUhgQTcr&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoIpPX6N8obt0%2FueXzDcHqMCiQDsLa9c9%2FsZOEqeE%2BpzzQ2iM6nGIVUTlKy3weliz4VhlxxuX3EHUp7BgmYpRDDQmJXdtmc%2FWjVHtHXPvC3MSsMOk0ECxP8ZzM%2B9%2BUXwoSRzHK7ajC4QjGhWECn5Z5iMSUbfHMwKltBA2CSWQOvL%2Bma62pVZYTEwqbmoMjlE77Y7ANK40vjrmoPLnFqUnUeI%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9KrpvyvYQ
@@barrydeclined2547 awesome then i will order the 410 asap
Nice video ! I love your products and i think i will command soon ;) ! I would like know where i can buy the punch ? Thanks
Hello Nicolas.
The punches can be found on ebay or at craft stores such as Tandy Learher.
I bought a set on ebay for a fairly low price. A set is nice as they are very useful for many other projects. They are not expensive.
To get a nice snug fit that is not overly tight,
I use the following sizes:
410 ga. = 13/32
12 ga. = 3/4
Hope this helps. Feel free to write anytime.
Best regards. Barry
where can I get the 12 gauge punch tool? I went to website and saw only survival reloading tool. Those are cool too, I have a Russian one with a mini press.
its a 3/4" gasket punch for 12, 5/8" for 20, no other standard punches will work for any other gauge
as far as I can tell, no company offers shotgun wad punches for sale in any gauge except the antique ones
Genius. Thank you so much!
So, now you've told everyone how to do it you won't be selling quite so many....neat!
Good morning Jonathan and thank you for posting a comment.
The video is just information to help other shooters.
We do not sell Wad kits or supplies.
Shooters and re-loaders try to look out for one another.
With all the anti-gun stuff; we try to take care of each other since one else will.
I hope you found the video information. It’s a nice way to make Wads and save money.
Thank you again.
Best regards
Barry
Thank you sir for your video
This applies to International sales only:
Normally we ship to International customers.
However;
Due to the Virus lockdown, and the rising case numbers, we had to again suspend International shipping.
A dealer is posting Survival Loader Kits on Ebay.
Ebay still ships Internationally through their Global Program.
This is a temporary alternative until such time the Virus emergency clears.
Best regards
Barry
On Ebay:
410 bore/ga.
410 ga-bore Reloader - "Survival Reloader" - Load Anywhere - Load Anytime
Item ID: 124165006574
12 ga. PLUS (deluxe)
12 ga. Survival Reloader PLUS (deluxe) - manual hand reloader
(Item ID: 123768131797)
12 ga. Basic
12 ga. Reloader - Survival Reloader BASIC kit - Load Anywhere - Anytime
(Item ID: 123701963446)
How do we purchase the 410 &12ga was cutters?
They are basically hole punches used for leather craft. You can get them on Amazon or on Ebay.
They are not expensive.
The 410 size is 13/32"
The 12 ga size is 3/4"
Hope this helps. Best regards. Barry
Yes we are still in business. For those that have asked that question. Yes, we are running full speed to keep up with orders.
The link to our webstore is active. thexringusa.com email address: thexringusa@yahoo.com
Clever setup!
I want the survival loader,but I looked up the company,and can't find the 410. On the web site
Hello Sky. Our website is thexringusa.com. We are out of the 410. We should have more in stock in about 2to 3 weeks. Best regards Barry
@@barrydeclined2547 thanks,I went to your site yesterday, i need this reloader bad,a 5 pack of 410. Is 10 dollars. If you can find them.one question is how much is it,thank u for your time barry.i am definitely buying one when your CNC is back up and running. God bless yall
@@skyb8687 Hello Sky. The 410 Survival Loader Kit is $64.95 with USA free shipping. The Powder-Shot Vials (16 per order) at $9.95 with USA free shipping. When the 410 Survival Loader Kits are in our hands, we will let everyone who is on our notification list know so they can order. That said, we should be pretty well stocked in this next delivery. Barry
Where do I get the over shot cutting tool and what size .thanks John
The punches are actually Leather Craft hole punches.
You can find them as singles or in sets.
Below is the information on sizes and where they can be bought.
I bought mine on ETSY, but they are also available on Ebay, Amazon and from Tandy Leather.
USA made are from C.S. Osborne.
Or, the imported ones also do well. But since they are usually metric, they will not be exactly the US decimal size. I have both US decimal and Metric. I cant really tell much different in getting a snug fit.
410 = 13/32 or metric 10.5mm
20ga. = 11/16 or metric 17.5mm
12ga. = 3/4 or metric 19mm
Hope this helps.
Best regards
Barry
@@barrydeclined2547 thanks for the info . Ording one tomorrow
i dont know, I've filled that space with lesser shot... not for hunting or target but for home defense. i just fill a buckshot load with #4 or to be honist what i have at hand. I mean if your shooting a bad guy why throw foam when your can throw lead - i dont care what size. Ive used this kind of thing for roll crimps but its usually just a thin bit of card board.
Barry, will you guys please make a survival loader for 20 gauge? It is arguable the most important gauge for hunting small game. I don't understand why the 410 was made before the 20 but I'm glad you made it. thanks
Good evening Tim.
Eventually we will do the 20 gauge.
We started with the 410 due to it being a ladies and beginners shotgun, plus the popularity of the 410/45 revolvers for self defense.
Had to start somewhere. LOL.
But we will eventually get the 20 gauge out there, hopefully sometime in 2019.
Also.
We will be doing updated videos. we have now updated the 410 ga. kits to be like the 12 ga. kits.
The Hornady Crimp Starter will be a standard component to help our shooters make the best crimps possible. And, the price will not be going up on the new updated kits.
Those that already have our 410 ga. kits, and might want to upgrade it with the Hornady Crimp Starter, can get one on our website.
Hopefully the new videos will be online in a month or so.
We are in the process of relocating from the state of Washington to the state of Arizona.
Feel free to give input anytime, it is appreciated and we do listen.
Barry
@@barrydeclined2547 Good morning, I love shooting my old H&R break action single barrel shotguns and I just purchased a Lee Load All II for 12 ga (and the conversion kit for 20 ga) and I'm excited to start learning how to reload my own shotshells for rabbit, squirrel and other small game. Single shot break action 12 ga is probably the most versatile shotgun ever made, and simple in their construction.
There are plenty of people, me included, looking for vintage Lee Hand Loaders but with the current prices of $75-150 it's just way to high. I am so happy that I found thexringusa. I would love to see sets of 12, 20 and 410 shells.
I am also very excited about the products at (Short Lane) Gun Adapters.com which I have a few :)
Your company and gun adapters.com should join forces to make some awesome packages. Good luck with the 20 ga kit project.
What size punch for 20 ga ?
Hello and hopefully this will answer your inquiry.
20 ga. = 11/16 is best
or a second best 17.5 mm
I use a leather punch made in the USA by C.S. Osborne.
Bought it on ETSY for about $6.
Hope this helps. Best regards. Barry
Can you tell me what size die I might need to cut wads for 20 gage and maybe 28 ?? TIA you guys rock
Hello Mike:
The hole punches that I found make the best friction fit are as follows:
410 = 13/32"
20 ga = 17mm is best. Or 11/16"
12ga = 3/4"
I bought a set on Ebay a few years back. I use them frequently to make my "over-shot" wads.
I like to use different color over-shot wads along with the Hybrid crimp method. That way I can instantly see what the shell is loaded with.
I use red for Buck. white for 7 shot and I use other colors for the various other loads.
Some reloaders do not like using over-shot wads, but I personally like them. It gives the crimp something to compress into.
I get really decent crimps that way,
Anyway, please feel free to write if I can be of help. I will help out the best that I can.
Please feel free to comment. Our fellow shooters like to read tips and helpful hints from others,
best regards
barry
@@barrydeclined2547 everything stops with "as follows" ????
for some reason the channel wouldn't let me finish. So, I re-wrote and it took. You should have a complete by now.
Barry
@@barrydeclined2547 thanks so much I appreciate your quick response, very helpful for sure 🙏 No info on the 28 ?
Since we don’t manufacture a Survival Loader in 28 or the 16, I have not explored those components.
Unfortunately on that size I can’t give you accurate information.
Barry
Where can I get a punch 3/4 or 5/8 "
The punches are actually Leather Craft hole punches.
You can find them as singles or in sets.
Below is the information on the sizes and where they can be bought.
I suggest just buying them as singles, unless you want to have a compete set,
The metric are not expensive since they are imported.
Single punches are best found on ETSY.
They are about $2 to $4 each.
I tried many different sizes before finding just the right fit for each gage.
Hope this information helps.
Best regards. Barry
This is a reply I posted two someone who claimed the "ammo shortage" was nearly over. Thought it might be interesting to share::::::::::::::::::::::::
There never was a shortage. Shooters in Canada had plenty of US made stuff on the shelves and so did buyers Internationally. (go online and check out the Canadian stores)
What we have ; is ammunition makers setting us up for the new Prices.
When you see ammo that used to be $12 bucks or less now selling for $29 or more, you will think its' a bargain.
This is nothing but "price resetting".
I was at a major sporting good store just last week.
They were at about 1/2 the capacity of ammo on the shelves.
Actually they had a fairly good amount. .
,223/556 was $44.95 for a box of 20. This used to be under $5 bucks.
When i asked the manager about the prices, he said they are paying 3 times the old "wholesale prices" to the manufacturers.
SO
This is about the ammo makers just resetting the price and making you glad to pay it.
Willing to pay $29.95 for. box of ammo?
When you cave, they will have plenty for you to buy.
Very cool
Thank you.
Best regards
Barry👍😀
Thanks....
You are welcome. Feel free to add comments anytime. We respect feedback. Best regards. Barry
Oct. 6, 2021
Last week the U.S. Postal Service raised shipping (AGAIN).
They also slowed down package delivery as a cost cutting method.
Basically;
they are charging more to provide less service.
We have absorbed this price increase, and have not raised our prices.
We ship orders with in 3 business days, excluding weekends & holidays.
The rest is up to USPS.
Thank you & best regards
Barry
This is great thanks, but can you please suggest a bio-degradable material for wads ? Many shoots in UK (rightly in my opinion) do not allow plastic wads.
Thanks, Chris
Hello Chris... sorry for taking so long to reply..
I did some research online and found there are several companies who already sell biodegradable shotgun wads.....As for making your own....
I can only think of the old fashion but reliable Cork, or thick cardboard or Felt materials....
If you use Cardboard, be sure to soak in a flame retardant solution to keep the risk of a fire to a minimum.
These materials will naturally degrade over time.....
These were used in times past, for shotguns before the advent of new technology....
Sorry I can't be of more help....
Best regards.....Barry
How are your "Survival Loaders" significantly different from Lee Pocket Loaders, which often sell for half as much money?
Hello Tim and thank you for asking that question.
First. LEE used to make manual reloaders for shot shells. But they haven’t for many years now.
Look on Ebay. Often a 410 LEE manual kit is north of $150.
Ours are also different. They actually resize and make a very decent re-crimp.
These are designed for the Survival-Prepper situations.
They are also smaller than the old LEE kits. And they are top quality that will last.
LEE still makes pistol and rifle manual reloaders at a decent price point.
But. For a bug-out manual shot shell reloader,,,,we are head and shoulders above any others.
I hope this helps explain to some degree your question.
Please let me know if I can be of more help.
You might take a look at our Google reviews and those on Ebay.
Our website also has a lot of information that may be of some help.
thexringusa.com
Best regards
Barry
@@barrydeclined2547 I see Lee is currently out of stock of the #12 loaders, but I can buy them all day long for less than $50. I happen to have one of the really old ones in the all-cardboard box. FYI, it (optionally) resizes, too.
I just bought one in .303 British for a family member. Lee still makes and sells quite a variety of different calibers.
You might want to reconsider your loader prices.
@@barrydeclined2547 .410 is far simpler to reload than #12 is; it takes nearly nothing to do that job. It's little wonder that Lee isn't trying to sell those any more. Anyone with the slightest bit of hand skills can easily reload them.
The LEE load all is available.
It is typically for mounting on a work bench.
They are a good deal. I see they are around $69 or so fro Palmeto.
However. Form what I can see, the manual-pocket sized are are not available.
Please send me the link and I will be more than willing to check them out.
If a person doesn’t need a compact, drop in the pocket shotshell reloader. Then the LEE Load-all is the way to go.
The comparison is like a large apples to apricots.
We are the smaller apricot.
Please send the link. Would love to follow up on any new developments.
Best regards
Barry
@@barrydeclined2547 Na. I'm talking about the "Lee Classic Loader", which used to be called the "Lee Pocket Loader" because you could easily drop the whole thing in the pocket of your field jacket along with the requisite mallet and a little can of powder and another little can of shot and you'd be hunting pheasant all day.
You can very nearly tuck the whole loader into a shirt pocket.
This was a good channel. What happened to it?
It should still be the same.
Next month we are updating videos.
But nothing has changed.
Can you please tell me what are the issues/problems so we can fix or address them.
Your input would be very helpful.
Best regards….Barry
My phone shows the latest videos were 2 or 3 years ago. Maybe it's just my phone, I don't know.
Yes. They are a couple of years old.
That is going to be corrected at the end of April.
New videos and new product information videos with demos.
Thank you for the feedback…..Barry
Can I have it ❤️
I want thos reloader badly,in fact I need it....i have a old 410. Steven's 59a ..NO AMMO here in Montana
If you send us an email. We will put you on the notification list and give you the heads up when we get them. Our regular CNC machine facility closed due to the Virus lockdown. But we have another company out of state machining parts right now. So. It won’t be long.
@@barrydeclined2547 ok I will send an email to thexring, thank u
@@skyb8687 you are most welcome. I will look for it. barry
How do I get one for 20 gage
They are available on the website.
thexringusa.com
Best regards
I got it thx!