360x180° Panorama Tutorial - Pt.6: Finding the no-parallax point (aka nodal point)
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- Part 6.
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In this tutorial, I'll show you how to adjust / calibrate your panoramic tripod head to find the no-parallax point (also incorrectly referred to as "nodal point") for your lens. This is very important to minimise the stitching errors in your panoramas.
The process can take a little while, but you'll hopefully take away some tips on how to speed it up and reduce the amount of "trial and error" involved.
Now, all this no-parallax-point-business can be quite confusing and I'm not terribly good at explaining it. I would really recommend you read this article here, which explains all this in great detail: michel.thoby.fr...
Don't forget to check out my other panoramic photography related tutorials:
This is Part 6 in a whole series of tutorials: • Panorama Tutorial Series
Thanks for your interest and stay tuned!
Florian
PS: For those who need it, I also went through the trouble of adding subtitles to the videos... Click on the [CC] icon to enable them.
Thank you so much Florian. Even though this is an older video, it as been incredibly helpful to learn these basic principles that I had been COMPLETELY unaware of! Well done! :)
Thank you. There are quite a few demonstrations on how to find the nodal point, but yours stands out because of its detailed, yet lucid presentation.
Simply the best video on the net explaining the parallax point by an exceptional communicator. Bravo, well done and thank you.
Of course , this is the best video available on the web about how to found the focal point .
BEST VIDEO IN THE UA-cam !!!!!!!!!!!!! Explaining no-parallax point
It took me a long time to finally figure out how to use and create these 360 panos, but upon finding this video it was clear as day! Best tutorial for sure. Take your time and get it right is my best advice. Cheers.
3:54 is where the important stuff starts on how to align near and far objects to find the nodal point. Thank you for this awesome and clearly explained tutorial!
I had not heard about the no-parallax point being different for different parts of the lens, this was very good information :D I'm looking to get my panorama head in the next few weeks, exciting times :3
Awesome, Florian! I'm going to go use this right now :-) You've made this extremely simple with your explanation and demonstration here.
Great video! I hope you show the stitching process as well!
January 21, 2021 -- This was great. I did not know about the 45 degrees from the center calculations, though I recall a diagram on a web site, it did not sink in. Watching this video filled in the gaps of what I need to know to get my Nikon 8-15 fisheye working on a Ninja3. Thank you very much; I'm now going to see what else you have published regarding panorama photography. I really liked the skewer aligning to a thin line object in the horizon to emphasize the line-up experience.
Thank you so much for making this video! I'm just getting into stitching and finding the nodal point was confusing me. The skewer method is awesome! Thanks!
Hi Florian... I know this is a very old post.(both this and your other PTGUI tutorials).. but they saved my bacon setting up for a one-off job I have to do shortly.... I haven't used my ninja and ptgui in about 5 years. ... a BIG thank you... I must have a look at what you are up to now. Cheers :)
the best explanation of the NPP ever!! thank you!!
Thank you so much!! It's clear to understand the nodal point!!!
Thank you Florian, I have been shooting 360 videos with a similar rig and your video gave a lot of clarity on setting up the nodal point. Thanks again:)
Move Opposite, Move Out. MOMO! Nice one.
No, once carefully adjusted, you can safely use it for good (provided all distances, parameters etc. are kept consistently constant of course...).
Thanks Florian, great explanation and tutorial!!
Fantástico! Estoy aprendiendo mucho con tus vídeos. Gracias por dedicarnos tu tiempo y conocimientos.
Dude! Great video and I admire your dedication and attention to detail!! keep up the good work!!
Well done young man!
Hi Florian, danke, dass du Tai wieder in Digimon Adventure Tri vertont hast. :D
Cooles Tutorial nebenbei!
This tutorial doesn't talk about panorama creation, but the first one in the series does. And if you watch that one, you will see that I personally prefer to shoot handheld, which takes less than 20 seconds or so. But thanks for your feedback.
Best tutorial on the youtube, Peace !
Thank you very much! Perfectly explained!
Perfeito!
Todos os vídeos são muito bem explicados e de fácil compreensão.
Parabéns.
Really? At least appreciate the bother this chap has gone to for explaining all of this. It is very useful information. Some people on this site are unreal with their comments
Thanks a lot for your great tutorial. It's very useful.
I don't know if there are any good fisheye lenses for your camera. But yes, you'll need a circular fisheye if you want to take so few images.
merci beaucoup pour ce superbe tuto .
great tutorial! Thanks
Nice Job! Easy to follow. Thanks.
Thanks for the tut. Well explained. Do you perhaps have a tut on how to work out the overlapping degrees for different lenses as well as for full-frame and cropped sensors?
Geo Cloete nope, but there are online databases for it. A ball park figure is to aim for about 20% overlap between adjacent images, but it may be more or less depending on a number of factors. But 20% is a good figure.
thanks a million! so simple and clear, awesome!
I'm getting very good at photographing little sticks
Hey Florian, I recently acquired a D300 + Ninja Nodel R1 + Sigma 8mm 3.5 and your video was just the ticket to get me orientated with the nodal setup. What is everyone using now? I have an EOSR but would need an adaptor for the Nikon lens OR would you recommend buy a 8mm-15mm? It would be cool if the RF 12 - 35mm would do the trick! That is a GREAT looking lens.
@JorgeTobiUchiha Unless you buy the right fisheye lens add-on for it, you'll need about 20 images per pano with this camera and the built-in optics. You will need a panoramic tripod head in this case.
very good tutorial - thanks
Great set of videos! thanks so much for taking the time to make them.
A question: once you found the nodal point for a specific lens, is it safe to use the setting forever with that lens at that focal point, or do you have to change it every time you use it - is it influenced by the distances between objects in the scene?
hey! you r amazing, very helpful things r there in this video n in other videos thank you from hart n god bless.
That's right, but you can only adjust things along 1 axis, not 2, so there's no need to do the calibration looking straight down...
Thank you so much! great video
Thank you for this tutorial!!! will try now :D
Hey, another great video. But I just got the NN R1 and while finding the horizontal nodal point is straight forward and the same concept as in this video, this particular pano head (NN R1) doesn't seem to allow me to shoot down or up directly in the center due to the design. Am I missing something? thx
Hi Florian I have little doubt, have you help me to solve it, I wanted to ask if the Nikon P500 (I want to buy) I used to make spherical panoramas of 6 square images, and in such case how do I set square to take photographs and covering 90 °? and the lens that comes by default helps me to do?, whether that requires a tripod and panoramic head I saw in your videos, greetings from Mexico.
HI Florian . According with this video , once you get the focal point for specific combination of lens and camera , you recomended to take a picture o take note of the exactly nodal point . My question is if using this setting will work equally to all scene or we need to change this parameters every time according with different scene that is what i thing . Of course , you have the last word.
Regards.
No, this stays the same no matter what the scene!
+Florian Knorn Thanks for your faster answer . Really apreciated
I have a 8-18 lens and I realize I have to keep it at the same focal length of 8mm. My question is does focal distance change your nodal point? I.e. if I am focused close vs far?
Great tutorial btw
Some lenses for sure (at least tele lensens) change actual focal length as you change focussing distance. Whether that's a significant effect here though I do not know...
Great video. Thanks!
Hello, Congratulations on the video. As for the skewer: does it need to be in the middle of the tower? I am now starting to take panoramic photos with DSRL cameras.Before I used cameras of 1 shot only (instaone r). I love photos 360.Sou from Brazil.Thanks.
Hi, no it doesn’t need to be in the middle, it just needs to be a reference point for your own judgement that’s easy to spot!
@@FlorianKnorn Ok, I got it. Thanks.
So if I only take 6 pictures with the Nodal Ninja panoramic head turning 90 ° to the sides and the zenith and nadir, which fisheye lens is better, 8mm, 10mm, which would be left with a Nikon P500?, Thanks
I know that nice view from Geraldine house. Thx man.
Haha indeed :-D
First, thanks for all your videos. They've been hugely helpful in getting me started with equirectangular photography.
Second: which tripod head are you using in this video?
Cheers. As I say after 44s - it's a Nodal Ninja 3. If you're in the market for one, or any other Nodal Ninja gear, make sure to use my promo code FLORIAN at checkout to save 5% on your order :-)
+Florian Knorn ha! Sorry I missed that and I watched it several times. I'm obviously challenged. Thanks again. Your videos and tutorials have been immensely helpful.
Thats cool :D Thanks
Hi Florian, thanks for the video. You mention it's important to centre the bubble to make sure the tripod head is level. I centre the bubble fine, but then rotate the head 90 degrees and it's way off! This may be because I'm using a funky manfrotto 460MG head. Any tips? How accurate is the plumb line technique?
Don't worry about it too much, this can happen (when the pano head / tripod is a bit too weak for the weight of the camera). "How accurate is the plumb line technique?" - well, usually not as accurate as a pano head + tripod ;-)
Great, thanks for the rapid response. Next stop Slovenian forests :)
Cool, good stuff!
I adjust my D7100 with Samyang 8mm ont he same way. But, after making panoramic images with very close subjects, there are some errors with stiching.
+Samir Zahirovic That's completely normal... the closer-by stuff is, the more pronounced will any parallax effects be... try to thing about where your seems are going to be when stitching, so that - at the time of shooting - you can place them in places where it's going to be easier to stitch...
Hi Florian, Thanks great video. In your video you use a bell tower and a skewer to adjust the vertical point. Now i was wondering is there a equation to calculate the minimum distance between the lens and the skewer? And also does it matter how far the second object(bell tower) is or can you choose the distance randomly?
In the video I call it my "highly scientific skewer". The point I'm trying to make is that all this is NOT rocket science, so don't worry about equations etc!!! Just take two objects, one "close" to the lens and one "far", to amplify the parallax effect, so that you can minimise it by adjusting your lens!
Thanks Florain knowing that makes it easier for me.
Nice tutorial! Again! :)
Hi Florian,
Thanks for the video.
Do you need to do this for each different lens that you intend to use for panos or just once for each DSLR?
Also if you are using a zoom lens would the nodal point be different depending on focal length?
Cheers, Vic.
Once per lens (and focal length length) you intend to use.
Is that an Alpha series DSLR you're using? If so, what lense, I like it.
That's the Peleng 8mm Fisheye with a Sony Mount.
Thank you very much. I have been having a problem with some photos stitching and usually with a clear sky. But my question is on the last setting with the ever so slight change would you keep working on it to get absolutely no movement or is what you had in the last photo OK?
David W Cox it’s your patience that decides ;-)
Thanks, I went over my settings and tweaked them and found I was not centered, i skipped over that part. Now looking to see why the matching points do not always work, looks like it is blank subjects like the real uniform sky. Thank for helping me learn.
Hi Florian, thanks for the great info and sharing it! I have a quick question: Do you have to re-set your no-parallax point every time you shoot? (I'm using the same camera + lens combo all the time). Cheers :)
Thanks! No, you wouldn't, that's why I said that you want to write down the numbers, so that you can set up your head again the same way next time without going through the calibration procedure.
Thank You!
Hello Florian.
I´m trying to do the tutorial with your images but I doesn't matter how many times I try to do it in PTgui, I always get problems with the stitching of the images. I always get messages on this way "Orphanes images. Image 1, 2... does not have any control points yet", and the panorama isn`t showed correctly. Any idea which is the problem?. Thanks a lot.
7:12 - 7:20. I have the same issue from one side is ok but from other is moving. This has to do with the horizontal axis?
Hello, with the 8mm lens, I shoot a photo left at 45 degrees, another photo in the center and another on the right 45 degrees. Is that it? Thanks.
On crop or FF? Generally you will need five. All four points and one straight up.
Thank you! Excuse me, could you recommend a fisheye lens for my sony a6400? I like shot 360x180 but my old canon 5d mark II is too heavy
Hi, not really, but maybe other users can recommend a combo?
@@FlorianKnorn yes thank
great, thanks!
Is that a Nelson College New Zealand rugby jersey you are wearing?
Probably not, would be nice though. I think I bought it a very good while back some place in Germany, and the jersey today is no longer with us ;-)
hi, i've watched a video, about a camera called "How RICOH THETA " and it should take picts and video 360 degree, so what is the different between this camera and the tools like(digital camera, tripod, panohead & fisheye lens? can you please tell me?? thanks
On word: Quality. And of course Speed.
+Florian Knorn
sorry, do you mean using panorama tools has better quality than the RICOH THETA?
hi Florian, silly question but the google panoheads where the 8mm lens is held by a ring....are they fit and no parallax or is there a way to adjust them?
Thanks
I'm pretty sure the kit is well adjusted and you do not need to worry about that, since the whole point of the kit is to have a fool-proof, ready-to-use solution.
@@FlorianKnorn Thats what i thought too, however the stitch seems to be out every time i align when inputting into PtGui?
Could it be my sigma as it refocuses???
Auto focus moving the pov?
@@TrueReviewCA possible, you should not be using autofocus anyway, but manually set focus for general best sharpness (use live view for that!)
@@FlorianKnorn Thanks for help. I will try sometime Thursday and update you on one of your vids.
Hi Florian, I manage to get the white centre of the rotation knob in the centre of the viewfinder, BUT: although it is in the centre, it seems the camera is pointing outwards. So no matter how i adjust the lower rail, it's always pointing outwards. I tried to change the camera plate a little, but then it's not paralell with the camera anymore. What should i do??
Sorry, but don't quite follow what you are describing ...
I am sorry, it was so hard to describe without pictures. I have emailed you :)
The Irish should narrate everything
Can you recommend the tripod head to me? Which brand is it?
Absolutely, it's a Nodal Ninja 3 (www.nodalninja.com/products/panoheads/nodalninja4.html). You can get it for a rebate if you use the promo code as shown on the video.
That is way to much work to creat a panorama.
hi sir i have a 8mm samyang lens on a canon apsc , how many clicks do i need 4 or 6?
Aakash Dhawan , don’t have that lens/setup but I believe you can get way with 4, but you’ll be safer with 6 around. Just experiment yourself!
Florian Knorn thankyou , sir i wanted to show you one of a panorama i made wamted to ask questions on that base, can i get you email-id?
thanks.
Aakash Dhawan Check out pano-guru.com !
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Very well explained. Thank you.