The most intense duel in the history of women's gymnastic. The floor routine from Daniela was a 10+. Besides the final scores, both represented a duel of artistry & grace versus technicality & precision. Both were winners!
Daniela Silivas was so ahead of her time then! We're STILL seeing ladies compete her eponymous "Silivas" FX skill- the incredible double twisting double salto tucked!
Any time I see a gymnast start running I get all excited because I know that my jaw is about to drop. I'm not much for watching most "sports," but gymnastics never get old!
I am sad to know that the best Russian gymnast of the 1988 Olympics died at the age of 49 because of acute pneumonia. she was a star : Yelena Shushunova
The best at horrible abuse, influencing scores in their favor, making a mockery of the sport and its integrity in terms of equal treatment of athletes? Absolutely.
.....ce sacrificii sau făcut.... datorită acestor sportivi sau ce sacrificii au făcut acesti sportivi sa ne iubim in ciuda tuturor problemelor : cotidiene,politice,etc.....🥇🥇🥇🙋💐💐💐💐💐
Cannot understand how Biles cannot stick a vault landing and goes out of bounds on floor yet she scores higher than other gymnasts that stick their landings after performing very well on the apparatus. I respect Biles but I still am not much of a fan of the "powerhouse" gymnastics.
@@shawntelcurtis6480truth lol but 1988 was magical…elegance, artistry, originality, polish, drama and finish. Simone while beyond powerful (new innovations with equipment help too) rarely sticks landings and is out of bounds all the time. Just a different time in gymnastics. Now it’s power over perfection and less artistry.
Her start value is nearly a point over everyone else's and going out of bounds is only .1 if it's one foot and .3 if it's both. That's not enough to butcher her score when she also has great form on her tumbling as well (only gets deducted on feet really). This is vastly different eras in the sport as well. As you can see, silivas had leg separation on her first vault but was still given a 10 by one judge and a 9.8 by kim so let's not act like scoring used to be better back then lol
It was the time of pleiad of excellent gymnasts: Shoushounova, Boginskaya, Silivas, Dobre, Szabo, Henrietta Onodi, Dörte Thümmler, Potorac, Dagmar Kersten; in male events: Artemov, Bilozerchev, Liukin (father of Nastia Liukin), Andreas Wecker, Yuko Iketani, Marius Gherman, Yuri Cecchi... Today we have no big name, except Simone Biles, Nile Wilson, Igor Radivilov and Sam Mikulak.
It was the time of grossly biased judging. 10’s being thrown for completely undeserving routines, others being ridiculously underscored to keep them out of a medal. Good riddance to that time.
@@kameliehagenand how many GOLD medals did she win? Right, ONE. Simone won THREE in one Olympics on her own! Simone doesn’t have to qualify first in every event, she makes sure it counts at the RIGHT time.
Bogi was so excellent here. I wish she was competing at 1984 or 1992 level instead, she'd have an easier go for gold. Here unless Silivas or Shushunova fell flat on their face (which was insanely unlikely), she'd always be third.
@@christineharrelson4831 I said 1984 or 1992 level, not literally in 1984. Had the level of competition not as high as 1988 she would’ve had a better shot at gold.
At 1984 level for sure, but even in her prime Bogi didn't have the difficulty to compete with both Miller and Gutsu. Gymnasts were throwing double layouts on Floor and full-in on Beam. And Gutsu's beam was a decade ahead of her time. So not a single chance for Boginskaya, except big falls from several competitors.
Elena had a very sad, unhappy existence after gymnastics. The Soviet system kept her alcoholic decline very hushed up. However, her early demise should speak for itself. There simply wasn't anything left for her after gymnastics. It's a common plight for elite athletes: life AFTER.
Yelena Shushunova ,Por siempre Grande!!! Admirable tu fuerza en cada una de tus rutinas,a casi 2 años de tu partida , dejaste huella imborrable !!! Bendiciones 🙏 para tí,dónde quiera te encuentres.✨👌 Gracias hermosa Yelena Shushunova ✨👍🌹👏👏👏👏🌹👏👏👏🌹👏👏❤️
Silivas should have won or results were tied. It was neli kim from USSR gave a 9.8 to silivas in the vault. Look at what happened in the individual apparatus finals, silivas got 3 golds... lol
Nelli was petty for giving Silivas a 9.8, but her score wasn't counted there. Out of the six judges, the highest and lowest scores were eliminated and the middle four was rounded up, which gave Silivas her score. Still, she should've won.
@@grumpyduck5712 She didn't deserve to win. 9.95 is too high for her on vault. And she messed up beam, where she should have an advantage on Shushunova but blew it this day. Bela Karolyi who LOVES Silivas, and is her former coach, even said "she made 3 major wobbles on beam in front of the whole world and deserved a 9.8 max. Her 9.9 was a disgrace." Nuff said.
@saragrant9749 Yelena died young because she lacked an exit strategy. It was a familiar tale for many elite Soviet gymnasts... indeed, for many elite athletes full stop. Beyond coaching & commentating, there really werent that many options for a happy, fulfilling life after gymnastics. It was (& still is) the cost of complete dedication.
Silivas should had won. RUSSIA back then had power over the scores but this was definitely Silivas Good medal. Just like Zsabo should had won over Mary Lou. They were both were over scored. Yeah Mary Lou, zsabo took one step and you took 20. The Romania’s were the true winners..🥇
Nelli Kim , I always admired your gymnastic and your commitment to gymnastic as a judge. I always loved 1988 olympic they made me fall in love with the sport. But honestly I never watch carefully... you gave a 9.8 to her first vault to make sure she would not have eaten then give a 9.9 to a less perfect one!!! shame on you. hope to this day you feel ashamed to crushed the dream ... I understand it was surely not easy probably pressed bu higher authority but honestly hope you can apology one day
Her vaulting is garbage. Honestly that is the score she deserved from all the judges. If an American or Bulgarian did that same vault they get a 9.7 at best. If the Soviet judge didn't stupidly give a higher score to the 2nd vault which was even worse, there wouldn't be anything to talk about.
@@masonlovesroblox If a Bulgarian or American did that vault they would get a 9.7 max. It was Silivas's very best, but she isn't a good vaulter. Her vault scores are only by her name, just like Shushunova's beam scores to some extent.
Como en cualquier cosa....el político pasa por encima de todo.......10 significa perfección.....aqui se han dado notas de 10 ...pero de perfección NADA. MI OPINIÓN
Shushunova was beautiful and awesome but am I the only one who thinks Silivas should've have it? Nellie Kim being a judge and giving Silivas a 9.8 was a conflict of interest and we've seen how slithery nellie can be
That was one of her teammates. Listen to the commentary Plus you can see Elenas performances after. Couple of the podium, with major mistakes. Never done by an olympic champion
No offense to Elena Shushnova's memory, but I think Daniela Silivas was robbed. I thought so when I watched this event live back in 1988 and still think so today.
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A great battle between silivas and shushunova
The most intense duel in the history of women's gymnastic. The floor routine from Daniela was a 10+. Besides the final scores, both represented a duel of artistry & grace versus technicality & precision. Both were winners!
The best final ever 100%. I was glued to the tv. Routing for Daniela.
Daniela Silivas was so ahead of her time then! We're STILL seeing ladies compete her eponymous "Silivas" FX skill- the incredible double twisting double salto tucked!
Done first by Alevtina Prakhina at the Europeans in 1987.
RIP Elena Shushunova
So graceful and so beautiful, I wouldn't want to choose one over the other. Thank you for the upload x
Any time I see a gymnast start running I get all excited because I know that my jaw is about to drop. I'm not much for watching most "sports," but gymnastics never get old!
gracias x subir el mejor duelo de la historia de la gimnasia
I am sad to know that the best Russian gymnast of the 1988 Olympics died at the age of 49 because of acute pneumonia. she was a star : Yelena Shushunova
She is my favorite of all times besides Nadia .. so sad she left us that young, will never be forgotten, a true gymnastic Queen 👸!
OH MY GOD! I didn't know that! Jeez... Rest peacefully my dear :(
Damn, it just proves you never know when you’re going to go.
Apparently, her life was very sad & empty after the Olympics. After dedicating her entire life to gymnastics, there was nowhere left to go.
....și la noi in Romania.... copilul unei mari,,Gimnaste,,...a decedat...... LAVINIA MILOȘOVICI 🙏🙏🙏......
It was great great having Mary Lou's commentary here(the 'wonder woman' of 1984).I miss the 1980s!
I liked Shushunova and Silivas. They were so great 😃
Прическа,не,тачу,силиваш,она,ведь,молода,для,таких,причёсок,
And Bogi! My three favorite gymnasts
El mejor duelo de la historia de la gimnasia artística, nunca habra alfo similar
These routines were about difficulty and agility, now they are about difficulty and power. No grace left.
11:52. I was so impressed when I saw this at the time. Shushunova was a great champion. RIP 🙏
Great competition between Silivas and Shushunova
just watched my original VHS tape incredibule depth below the two on top RIP Elena Shushunova
Советская школа гимнастики лучшая в мире!
Benar
The best at horrible abuse, influencing scores in their favor, making a mockery of the sport and its integrity in terms of equal treatment of athletes? Absolutely.
@@saragrant9749Cope
LA MEJOR...UD.SI SABE DE GIMNACIA.FELICIDADES¡¡
@@saragrant9749sabes poco menos que nada.de gimnacia.
Daniela Silivas so amazing and powerful ahead of her time , 2022 and gymnasts still use her moves
.....ce sacrificii sau făcut.... datorită acestor sportivi sau ce sacrificii au făcut acesti sportivi sa ne iubim in ciuda tuturor problemelor : cotidiene,politice,etc.....🥇🥇🥇🙋💐💐💐💐💐
Rumanía con unos 20 millones habitantes siempre luchando por el oro contra la Unión soviética que tenía casi 170 millones habitantes!! 😳
I liked this style because they let the pictures tell the story.
RIP Elana S.
thank you for uploading ! Is Oksana Omelianchik @11.02?
It sure is! She was the alternate for the team. In some other parts of the meet, you can see her interacting with the team on the floor.
Mary Lou Retton’s contribution to commentary gets a 0.
She didn’t even contribute that much, either.
Agreed...can't stand listening to her! Like nails on a chalkboard!
I'd prefer no commentary.
Cannot understand how Biles cannot stick a vault landing and goes out of bounds on floor yet she scores higher than other gymnasts that stick their landings after performing very well on the apparatus. I respect Biles but I still am not much of a fan of the "powerhouse" gymnastics.
Éntierement d’accord avec vous.
But can yall do any of it .... Haters 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@shawntelcurtis6480truth lol but 1988 was magical…elegance, artistry, originality, polish, drama and finish. Simone while beyond powerful (new innovations with equipment help too) rarely sticks landings and is out of bounds all the time. Just a different time in gymnastics. Now it’s power over perfection and less artistry.
@@shawntelcurtis6480 We're not looking for medals silly
Her start value is nearly a point over everyone else's and going out of bounds is only .1 if it's one foot and .3 if it's both. That's not enough to butcher her score when she also has great form on her tumbling as well (only gets deducted on feet really). This is vastly different eras in the sport as well. As you can see, silivas had leg separation on her first vault but was still given a 10 by one judge and a 9.8 by kim so let's not act like scoring used to be better back then lol
So beautiful 👏🏻both deserve the gold medal 🥇 it was so close battle between both girls
It was the time of pleiad of excellent gymnasts: Shoushounova, Boginskaya, Silivas, Dobre, Szabo, Henrietta Onodi, Dörte Thümmler, Potorac, Dagmar Kersten; in male events: Artemov, Bilozerchev, Liukin (father of Nastia Liukin), Andreas Wecker, Yuko Iketani, Marius Gherman, Yuri Cecchi... Today we have no big name, except Simone Biles, Nile Wilson, Igor Radivilov and Sam Mikulak.
It was the time of grossly biased judging. 10’s being thrown for completely undeserving routines, others being ridiculously underscored to keep them out of a medal. Good riddance to that time.
Et Mustafina ?????? Elle a fait ce que Biles ne fera jamais : être première
des qualifications por le AA et les 4 finales
@@kameliehagenand how many GOLD medals did she win? Right, ONE. Simone won THREE in one Olympics on her own! Simone doesn’t have to qualify first in every event, she makes sure it counts at the RIGHT time.
@@saragrant9749На наркотиках сидит твоя Симона - в Японии без них она была никто и её заменили, наркоманку!
All around final featuring two gymnast 😂
Right, i wonder if there is any other broadcast that shows more of the gymnasts 😅🤦🏻♂️
@@Cmc995I think the British broadcast does
Bogi was so excellent here. I wish she was competing at 1984 or 1992 level instead, she'd have an easier go for gold. Here unless Silivas or Shushunova fell flat on their face (which was insanely unlikely), she'd always be third.
Bogi was 11 in 1984 and not even a senior yet.
@@christineharrelson4831 I said 1984 or 1992 level, not literally in 1984. Had the level of competition not as high as 1988 she would’ve had a better shot at gold.
At 1984 level for sure, but even in her prime Bogi didn't have the difficulty to compete with both Miller and Gutsu. Gymnasts were throwing double layouts on Floor and full-in on Beam. And Gutsu's beam was a decade ahead of her time. So not a single chance for Boginskaya, except big falls from several competitors.
Did Shushunova ever speak of her gymnastic career? Did her teammates speak of training/competing with her? I've never heard anything.
Elena had a very sad, unhappy existence after gymnastics. The Soviet system kept her alcoholic decline very hushed up. However, her early demise should speak for itself. There simply wasn't anything left for her after gymnastics. It's a common plight for elite athletes: life AFTER.
@@alicemcfarlane9717was she an alcoholic?
shushunova queen
Silivas Queen!
Es un placer y una suerte inmensa poder disfrutar de la calidad artística; tecnicismo; excelencia de todas estas gimnastas. Ellas son irrepetibles.
Rest in peace Elena Shushunova ♥️🤸🏼♀️
Yelena Shushunova ,Por siempre Grande!!! Admirable tu fuerza en cada una de tus rutinas,a casi 2 años de tu partida , dejaste huella imborrable !!! Bendiciones 🙏 para tí,dónde quiera te encuentres.✨👌 Gracias hermosa Yelena Shushunova ✨👍🌹👏👏👏👏🌹👏👏👏🌹👏👏❤️
God, I miss the 80s... 😢
"She is very attractive 15 yo".... My Gawd, that was horrible to listen
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Bonginskaya she is so pretty.
Шушунова, Богинская - гениальные гимнастки, не то что современные робот-машины мельникова, байлз, смотреть на последних совсем не интересно.
Muy merecido 🎉🎉🎉te amo Yelena
Daniela Silivas! Fenomen!❤❤❤❤
Шушунова лучшая!Однозначно!
У Шушуновой вольные сложнее, элемент даже назван ее именем, который она тогда показала
Nope
I don't think so
Silivas the best
Silivas was such a tumbling goddess. She is perfection. I think she deserved that 10 on floor.
Alguns jurados davam nota 10 mesmo com erros visíveis. A saída d trave da shushunova por exemplo
Who was the male athlete about to be interviewed at 46:11?
Silivas should have won or results were tied. It was neli kim from USSR gave a 9.8 to silivas in the vault. Look at what happened in the individual apparatus finals, silivas got 3 golds... lol
Nelli was petty for giving Silivas a 9.8, but her score wasn't counted there. Out of the six judges, the highest and lowest scores were eliminated and the middle four was rounded up, which gave Silivas her score.
Still, she should've won.
@@grumpyduck5712 She didn't deserve to win. 9.95 is too high for her on vault. And she messed up beam, where she should have an advantage on Shushunova but blew it this day. Bela Karolyi who LOVES Silivas, and is her former coach, even said "she made 3 major wobbles on beam in front of the whole world and deserved a 9.8 max. Her 9.9 was a disgrace." Nuff said.
With the current scoring code, shushunova would have won with a huge advantage.
So sad! I remember when she was young! But never forget Daniela ❤
Right? 49 is too damn young, but it just shows you never know when your time will come.
@saragrant9749 Yelena died young because she lacked an exit strategy. It was a familiar tale for many elite Soviet gymnasts... indeed, for many elite athletes full stop. Beyond coaching & commentating, there really werent that many options for a happy, fulfilling life after gymnastics. It was (& still is) the cost of complete dedication.
Silivas the best!!!😍😍😍
Silivas should had won. RUSSIA back then had power over the scores but this was definitely Silivas Good medal.
Just like Zsabo should had won over Mary Lou. They were both were over scored. Yeah Mary Lou, zsabo took one step and you took 20.
The Romania’s were the true winners..🥇
Not sure because she fell off the bars!
Shushunova was the best!!!
Silivas 😉
🇷🇴🤸🏼❤️💐
シリバスと、シュシュノワの素晴らしい対決は今でも色あせない。😊✨✨
EMPAZ DESCANSE ELENA SHUSHUNOVA UNA GRAN GIMNASTA, DANIELA SILIVAS OTRA GEA GIMNASTA.
Duo rivalries usr elena shushunova and svetlana boginskaya. And roumania daniela silivas with aurelia dobre.
Silivas best ever!...
If silivas had gone before shushu on floor and they both received the same score the audience would have justifiably ripped that auditorium apart.
Shushu should have gotten a full point in deductions for That floor music.
I love Silivas, she is more artistic and remarkable! She just a slight lost, otherwise she could’ve won...
as much as i love yelena she was overscored on beam
"Let's not forget this very attractive 15 year-old.."
🤢
Came here for this comment. What a creep!
It was
Nelli Kim , I always admired your gymnastic and your commitment to gymnastic as a judge. I always loved 1988 olympic they made me fall in love with the sport. But honestly I never watch carefully... you gave a 9.8 to her first vault to make sure she would not have eaten then give a 9.9 to a less perfect one!!! shame on you. hope to this day you feel ashamed to crushed the dream ... I understand it was surely not easy probably pressed bu higher authority but honestly hope you can apology one day
Wait sorry how did Yelena’s beam routine get 2 10s? Did I read that wrong?
The Big Red Machine - the Soviet Union Team's nick name!
Fantastic gymnasts, not so fantastic 80s hairstyles 😁
DANIELA SILIVAS...MUCHO MEJOR QUE LA COMANECI.
Y POR MUCHO.
Big red machine!
Nelli kim couldn't really be more blatant could she 9.8 I think not
ridiculous she should apologies
Why there was Romanian judge and no Russian judge???? But still good karma struck to Elena she won the all round champ.
No Russian judge?? Uhhhh hello, Nellie Kim from the Soviet Union?? Did you even watch the broadcast?
i didn.t see any battle. silivas absolutely superior to shoushunova who had the support of the jugdes such as Nelly Kim kim ( she was under comnaneci)
Absolutely
9.8 from the Soviet judge for Silivas on the vault. Enough said…😤
She was definitely a hater! Her second vault she gave her a higher score
it was on purpose. nellie kim wanted shushunova to win. it was obvious, that first vault was 9.9 MINIMUM.
Her vaulting is garbage. Honestly that is the score she deserved from all the judges. If an American or Bulgarian did that same vault they get a 9.7 at best. If the Soviet judge didn't stupidly give a higher score to the 2nd vault which was even worse, there wouldn't be anything to talk about.
@@masonlovesroblox If a Bulgarian or American did that vault they would get a 9.7 max. It was Silivas's very best, but she isn't a good vaulter. Her vault scores are only by her name, just like Shushunova's beam scores to some extent.
@@MajorMajesticIce ridiculous
Como en cualquier cosa....el político pasa por encima de todo.......10 significa perfección.....aqui se han dado notas de 10 ...pero de perfección NADA.
MI OPINIÓN
MLR is so annoying talking about herself constantly ughhhhhh
Hah yeah she's pretty into herself. Still is to this day.
She sounds like Minnie Mouse, too
Svetlana Boginskaya, Simone Biles, Daniella Silivas....BEST GYMNASTS EVER!
Симона байлз - наркоманка стероидная, её и женщиной назвать нельзя. В Японии без своих наркотиков она была никто и её заменили
Queen Silivas 👑 y luego el resto
Shusunova such like robot
Shoushouna is really an Diva e deserved the win.
Shushunova was beautiful and awesome but am I the only one who thinks Silivas should've have it? Nellie Kim being a judge and giving Silivas a 9.8 was a conflict of interest and we've seen how slithery nellie can be
Damn, the Romanians were trying to freak out Shushunova during her vault. That was kinda cheap.
That was one of her teammates. Listen to the commentary
Plus you can see Elenas performances after. Couple of the podium, with major mistakes. Never done by an olympic champion
God is there any other gymnasts that were at these Olympics? How unfair to the others who works so hard.
En el ultimo aparato , no me pareció un 10 para shushunova .....
y Silivas en asimetricas tampoco, que cae flexionada y los pies separados.
@@batifay2830 y que quierias ...que se cae con los pies rectos , o que...???....tu sabes de que estas hablando !!??
@@denisripeanu3325 pues sí, sí sé de lo que hablo.
@@batifay2830 pues , yo diria que NO , tras leer tu comentario......mi opinión!!!
Sólo tienes que ver cómo Silvas baja la cabeza ,al ver el salto , sabía que tenía el 10 antes de dárselo
We in europe always see th whole competition! This is sad.....
daniela was robbed
She was amazing! They both were but she’ll always be my favorite gymnast! Gurl even rocked a perm and a robot move!
No offense to Elena Shushnova's memory, but I think Daniela Silivas was robbed. I thought so when I watched this event live back in 1988 and still think so today.
Totally
This is the wor see e coverage of any gymnastics event they barely showed any routines
Reyna silivas
USSR and the power of dopping
Spelling and the power of a dictionary
les juges donnaient trop de 10 à l epoque c etait n importe quoi
Effectivement, et les juges favorisaient certaines nations (l'URSS, la Roumanie et la RDA). Cela ne favorisait pas la crédibilité du sport.
Fu Kim, fu Elena and fu Mary Lou. All over scored. The Gold was for Silivas. The a Russian were corrupted still at that time.
Silivas was obviously robbed!