silivas opening with a double twisting double tuck is amazing! People still win medals at big comps and open with this pass. Also let’s talk about her technique in the air😍
This takes me back...my sister and I were involved in gymnastics as kids and this was basically "our" Olympics at that age. We taped this off the TV and watched it 500 times...I remember a lot of the exact routines and even comments
@@beautitudes It did until 1989... What difference does that make anyway? Don't get me wrong, I think the USA girls deserved the bronze, but the fact the east Germans were from a country that no longer exists should not be a factor here.
@QPHashSS77 Kersten was the most overscored East German. She was treated like a star when she was really past her prime and peaked in 85. Thuemler was better than her and got lower scores. Thuemler's scores were about right but Kersten's should have been brought down to the same or lower than Thuemler across the board, and of course fell on beam.. Worst was Kersten's vaulting which sucked badly and regularly got 9.90+. With their depleted team due to injury and only 5 gymnasts, and now counting some falls, Kersten's scores dropped drop them to 5th, even with the U.S bogus political deduction.
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I've often wondered what Aurelia Dobre may have been capable of at this meet had she not been injured. That's one nasty looking scar. Credit to her for competing injured and I'm sure she was in a lot of discomfort. At least she got to be part of the team competition and win a silver.
@saragrant9749 She injured her knee prior to the games... she hadnt been able to train to the level she needed to due to the recovery, so she wasnt anywhere near her best.
@@mikeg8375 oh wow, ouch!! I’ve known a few people who did that and it’s such a painful healing process. My respect to her for doing all she was able to do in spite, but you’re right- what could have been.
1988 Seoul Olympics really witnessed the pique of the Soviet and other Eastern European nations (such Romania, GDR, Bulgaria, Hungary and so on) sports.
@@stanm1977 I’m referring to the SOVIETS in this case. Since you asked however, there’s absolutely no question that Romania got plenty of gifts in the first several years after the Soviet Union was gone. Don’t think so? Look at some of the medals earned between 1996 and 2000 that did not in any way belong to a Romanian athlete. Esther Moya of Spain is a prime example- she should have gotten bronze on floor in Sydney, not Simona Amanar… WHO STEPPED OUT OF BOUNDS!!
It is ironic Kersten did not get a 10 for her optional bars here which was way better than her bar routine in the event finals. It also cost her the gold in the end, since she got a gift 10 in the event finals with a hop on the landing.
This was the most exciting Olympics for me! Just gorgeous artistry and execution that is long gone from a sport that used to be so exciting and elegant! Silivas and Elena were just fantastic!
i really under appreciated yelena sushonova in my youth,, i found her old and boring in my teenage mind ... but looking now at her floor routine - just amazing, her expression even beats that of svetlana bouganskia ..
Was there a longer broadcast? I feel like this was a just recap of some routines. The commentators silly obsession with pointing out the ‘three 15 year olds” when Kelly Garrison was one of the top three highest scoring on the team. Even as an ancient 21 year old
This is a perfect example of how far gymnastics scoring has come. Back in those days if you weren’t from either Romania, Soviet Union or East Germany you weren’t ever going to get a medal. The judges were insanely biased towards those countries, giving 10’s to exercises not close to deserving and harshly judging others who performed flawlessly. Today the judging is based on execution and difficulty, not by country of origin.
Not true at all! You are being biased, not judges. What "flawless performance" (of other nations)?! We saw many mistakes. The first three teams were best at that time. And what we have now? A circus, gladiator's arena, gimnastic which lose every inch of grace.
@@spribic11you are blind if you don’t see the blatant bias. Look at event finals here!! 10’s given out to absolutely underserved routines, high scores given to sloppy tumbling and so on. The East Germans here got ridiculous scores on beam, a huge number of people have made that exact observation. They absolutely should never have medaled. And in terms of your “gladiator” statement you are nothing more than an individual who doesn’t like that gymnasts now are not forced into a specific body image (frequently by being starved), who can be both strong and graceful. Yes, today’s gymnasts ARE graceful, they don’t have to be ballerinas to be graceful. Take your pig headed so called observations elsewhere and grow up!
@@vitorhugosantana7053no, it’s a lot easier to get a good score if you PERFORM well. Brazil, France, Italy, Canada- all prove that good performance will be rewarded. If you say this because you feel China has been unrewarded lately- it’s because THEY HAVE NOT PERFORMED WELL!!
@@laob4901 I clearly stated in my comment that it was an Anerican broadcast...why do you feel the need to be so nasty and disrepectful? Your comment says a lot about you!
what i want to know is, the gymnasts in these older videos, if they look at the changes in the sport - like here, the bars were so much closer - i wonder if they wish they'd been competing in todays times instead ...? if they wonder just how much more possibilities there would have been had todays equipment been in their era?
I doubt they care so much about the apparatuses, but I'm sure they probably wish they'd had the coaching of today. Coaches back then were often very abusive, mentally and emotionally, and they also pushed the girls' bodies too far, sometimes even resulting in paralysis or other permanent injury (Elena Mukhina was the saddest example of this.) Girls were weighed regularly and their meals were controlled, which led to many developing eating disorders. Not only have coaches as a whole gotten less abusive, but they've also learned many many better techniques for teaching the same skills but in a way that doesn't hurt the gymnasts bodies as much. This is why it's becoming fairly commonplace now to see gymnasts competing into their twenties, whereas back then their bodies usually couldn't take it for more than one Olympic cycle or two Olympics at most (Chusovitina was a unicorn.) The girls were usually forced to quit by the time they were 18 or 20. So if they have any regrets about competing then versus now, I'm sure the apparatus is not at the top of their list.
@@leykimayri You seem to have difficulty understanding the concept of "less". I'll try to explain, but it's really on you to try to learn what it means. One would think if you're able to write that you should already have a grasp on it, but apparently it's something you still struggle with. "Less" does not mean "no" or "none". Less is somewhere in between the former amount and "none," but in no circumstances does it mean "none." If you have 50 bananas and you eat one, you have "less" (or fewer, technically) than you had before, but you still have a lot of bananas. Does that make sense to you? If it doesn't, I'm sure there are some Sesame Street videos out there that explain it more.
@@AdeleiTeillana Yes because it is PROVEN that all coaches back then were abusive while now they are less abusive, huh….because you say so? Like you know very well what’s happening right now in Russia? Shushunova died 5 years ago and all we heard from Russia was that “she died from pneumonia”, because Russians were hiding very well alcoholic problems that Shushunova had had for years and who knows what else and we were all just amazed and so surprised about her sudden death when it was a common secret in Russia that things weren’t going well in her life…but you seem to know very well what is happening in Russian gymnastics nowadays compared to the ‘80s, right? Or you seem to know very well what happens in other countries like China, for instance, and you have proof that today’s coaches are LESS abusive than back then, based on what? On your STUΡΙDITY? Especially considering the fact that in countries like the US there has been such a major ABUSE and RAPE scandal that gymnasts who still perform today have lived and survived through it (ex Biles). So take your stupidity and stick it up in your big αss and stfυ. If such and abuse and such a scandal could have been happening FOR DECADES in the r US where there is freedom of the Press and it’s not any autocratic regime but it’s a democracy where people have rights, imagine what is happening right now in countries where people don’t have the freedoms and liberties and rights that people in western countries have. So next time you make stυρid claims make sure to USE your brain first to think, especially when those “claims” are only based on your stυpidity and on NO FACTS.
Yet it is the same in reverse today. Some routines performed by a U.S girl sometimes (I am talking about Biles on vault or floor type thing of course) would never get some of the scores they get if they were from anywhere else. It is reputation, has been part of the sport then and still is now. Or Kim never wins the 91 world AA title in 91 if it is held in any country but the U.S but I am taking a wild guess you never complained about that either.
@@mikeg4576 Yes East Germany had a thrash team this year. They only had Kersten and Tuemmler and Tuemmler was way weaker than the 87 worlds and Kersten was inconsistent and past her prime. Not only the U.S but Bulgaria should have beaten them. Bulgaria actually had a possible case for the bronze this year too.
I prefer today because they are not forced to fit into a specific body image mold, and are instead allowed to be themselves. These poor girls in many cases were horribly abused without the ability of today to STOP IT and get undeserved coaches booted out.
Anyone else creeped out at 0:27 when Dick Enberg called them “an attractive group of young women?” Edit: This might become a trend... “great eyes” 7:05 🤢
yo I just came came from soviet memes lol I wasn't taking serious at starting but when they do their thing I fell in love with their moves they be like women version of unbitten spiderman they also gained my respect for their hardwork I dont even know how they train how many hours they train in a day but u need crayz muscle memory to do this moves I guess and muscle memory comes with lots of train
It's so annoying listening to Dick blathering on about the 0.5 technical deduction. That's not why they lost the bronze, Dick, they lost because of the falls which screwed up the momentum of scoring and the fact that virtually no one stuck their landings. That adds up to a lot more than 0.5 points.
Idk. I see your point, but you cant deny that the .5 deduction mathmatically cost them bronze. I think the real problem was the way the rule was interpreted, it was pretty obviously a political thing. If it were really about the safety of the athlete, they would have given a warning. It was a cheap shot.
The thing that cost them bronze was POLITICS. The East Germans received grossly inflated scores on beam- something a lot of people have remarked about. It’s a reflection of the eastern bloc fashion of scoring that was popular then.
silivas opening with a double twisting double tuck is amazing! People still win medals at big comps and open with this pass. Also let’s talk about her technique in the air😍
I’d never realized she actually was the originator of that tumble. Pretty crazy when you consider how much LESS cushioning the floor had then.
RIP Elena Shushanova 😢
forever Shushunouva ten
R.I.P #YelenaShushonova
This takes me back...my sister and I were involved in gymnastics as kids and this was basically "our" Olympics at that age. We taped this off the TV and watched it 500 times...I remember a lot of the exact routines and even comments
USA girls got a raw deal here. In addition to the .5 penalty, the East Germans were overscored, especially on beam.
I feel they should give them the bronze still. Especially since East Germany doesn’t even exist
@@beautitudes It did until 1989... What difference does that make anyway? Don't get me wrong, I think the USA girls deserved the bronze, but the fact the east Germans were from a country that no longer exists should not be a factor here.
@QPHashSS77 Kersten was the most overscored East German. She was treated like a star when she was really past her prime and peaked in 85. Thuemler was better than her and got lower scores. Thuemler's scores were about right but Kersten's should have been brought down to the same or lower than Thuemler across the board, and of course fell on beam.. Worst was Kersten's vaulting which sucked badly and regularly got 9.90+. With their depleted team due to injury and only 5 gymnasts, and now counting some falls, Kersten's scores dropped drop them to 5th, even with the U.S bogus political deduction.
They would’ve gotten bronze if it wasn’t for that deduction.😕
That’s how it was back then- the judges were in the pockets of certain countries. Most of the results back then were disgustingly tainted.
8:26 omg thought I was about to see a wolf turn. Gosh I miss this gymnastics. The artistry is amazing
Yelena Shushunova,Por siempre Grandiosa ✨👌 RIP🙏🏻😔 Gracias!!! por tu Gran y Hermoso legado deportivo que nos haz dejado a la Humanidad.Es un deleite y mirarte admirarte!!! ✨👌🌹👏👏👏❤️👏👏👏🌹
Gimnastele sovietice si cele din Romania au fost din altă galaxie!❤ Au fost multi ani in varf, in top si au facut artă! Bravo lor! ❤
Great competition these games, especially between Shushanova and Silivas
I've often wondered what Aurelia Dobre may have been capable of at this meet had she not been injured. That's one nasty looking scar. Credit to her for competing injured and I'm sure she was in a lot of discomfort. At least she got to be part of the team competition and win a silver.
What exactly was wrong with her, I still haven’t picked up on what was actually going on?
@saragrant9749 She injured her knee prior to the games... she hadnt been able to train to the level she needed to due to the recovery, so she wasnt anywhere near her best.
@@mikeg8375 oh wow, ouch!! I’ve known a few people who did that and it’s such a painful healing process. My respect to her for doing all she was able to do in spite, but you’re right- what could have been.
These gymnasts are my favorite
Excellent video and gymnastics!
Except for that fake group hug at the end. So phony! Team USA really hid their true feelings well with that hug.
DANIELA SILIVAS. 👍👍👍
Thank you!!! ☆
A magical olympics
1988 Seoul Olympics really witnessed the pique of the Soviet and other Eastern European nations (such Romania, GDR, Bulgaria, Hungary and so on) sports.
And the abuse
And the scoring bias.
@@saragrant9749 Do you really think that Romania got benefits from judges? Like ever? Really?
@@stanm1977 I’m referring to the SOVIETS in this case. Since you asked however, there’s absolutely no question that Romania got plenty of gifts in the first several years after the Soviet Union was gone. Don’t think so? Look at some of the medals earned between 1996 and 2000 that did not in any way belong to a Romanian athlete. Esther Moya of Spain is a prime example- she should have gotten bronze on floor in Sydney, not Simona Amanar… WHO STEPPED OUT OF BOUNDS!!
It is ironic Kersten did not get a 10 for her optional bars here which was way better than her bar routine in the event finals. It also cost her the gold in the end, since she got a gift 10 in the event finals with a hop on the landing.
Do you think you'll be able to upload the 1992 Olympics womens all around Final - complete NBC again? 😁🙏
Here it is: ua-cam.com/video/fRkumzvlEK0/v-deo.html
@@kentiemacgymnastics9885
Thank you!!!! 🥺
I love this video. Now I know that coincidence and unicorns are definitely only seen in Disney world.
This was the most exciting Olympics for me! Just gorgeous artistry and execution that is long gone from a sport that used to be so exciting and elegant! Silivas and Elena were just fantastic!
i really under appreciated yelena sushonova in my youth,, i found her old and boring in my teenage mind ... but looking now at her floor routine - just amazing, her expression even beats that of svetlana bouganskia ..
She was only 19;here.
@@gillydey9764Looked like a woman of 50. Those hairstyles, man...
And she had the best splits on the beam.
Was there a longer broadcast? I feel like this was a just recap of some routines. The commentators silly obsession with pointing out the ‘three 15 year olds” when Kelly Garrison was one of the top three highest scoring on the team. Even as an ancient 21 year old
This is a perfect example of how far gymnastics scoring has come. Back in those days if you weren’t from either Romania, Soviet Union or East Germany you weren’t ever going to get a medal. The judges were insanely biased towards those countries, giving 10’s to exercises not close to deserving and harshly judging others who performed flawlessly. Today the judging is based on execution and difficulty, not by country of origin.
Thank you, Sara!!! How true!!!
Not true at all! You are being biased, not judges. What "flawless performance" (of other nations)?! We saw many mistakes. The first three teams were best at that time. And what we have now? A circus, gladiator's arena, gimnastic which lose every inch of grace.
It got better, yes, but nationality still matters today. It’s A LOT easier to get a big score if you are American or Russian.
@@spribic11you are blind if you don’t see the blatant bias. Look at event finals here!! 10’s given out to absolutely underserved routines, high scores given to sloppy tumbling and so on. The East Germans here got ridiculous scores on beam, a huge number of people have made that exact observation. They absolutely should never have medaled. And in terms of your “gladiator” statement you are nothing more than an individual who doesn’t like that gymnasts now are not forced into a specific body image (frequently by being starved), who can be both strong and graceful. Yes, today’s gymnasts ARE graceful, they don’t have to be ballerinas to be graceful. Take your pig headed so called observations elsewhere and grow up!
@@vitorhugosantana7053no, it’s a lot easier to get a good score if you PERFORM well. Brazil, France, Italy, Canada- all prove that good performance will be rewarded. If you say this because you feel China has been unrewarded lately- it’s because THEY HAVE NOT PERFORMED WELL!!
No trouble to tell this was an American broadcast since all the focus is on the Americans 😩
Of course it's an American broadcast... are you stupid??
and they very much overate their abilities lol
that we had to watch brandy Johnson on floor do a less that stellar floor routine instead of silvas' bars routine that scored a 10!!!!!
@@laob4901 I clearly stated in my comment that it was an Anerican broadcast...why do you feel the need to be so nasty and disrepectful? Your comment says a lot about you!
@@markb7163 cause ur comment made all of youtube feel stupid. What should they focus on the USSR
what i want to know is, the gymnasts in these older videos, if they look at the changes in the sport - like here, the bars were so much closer - i wonder if they wish they'd been competing in todays times instead ...? if they wonder just how much more possibilities there would have been had todays equipment been in their era?
I doubt they care so much about the apparatuses, but I'm sure they probably wish they'd had the coaching of today. Coaches back then were often very abusive, mentally and emotionally, and they also pushed the girls' bodies too far, sometimes even resulting in paralysis or other permanent injury (Elena Mukhina was the saddest example of this.) Girls were weighed regularly and their meals were controlled, which led to many developing eating disorders. Not only have coaches as a whole gotten less abusive, but they've also learned many many better techniques for teaching the same skills but in a way that doesn't hurt the gymnasts bodies as much. This is why it's becoming fairly commonplace now to see gymnasts competing into their twenties, whereas back then their bodies usually couldn't take it for more than one Olympic cycle or two Olympics at most (Chusovitina was a unicorn.) The girls were usually forced to quit by the time they were 18 or 20. So if they have any regrets about competing then versus now, I'm sure the apparatus is not at the top of their list.
@@AdeleiTeillana Yes because there was no abuse and even rape in US gymnastics like 5 years ago....oh wait!
@@leykimayri You seem to have difficulty understanding the concept of "less". I'll try to explain, but it's really on you to try to learn what it means. One would think if you're able to write that you should already have a grasp on it, but apparently it's something you still struggle with. "Less" does not mean "no" or "none". Less is somewhere in between the former amount and "none," but in no circumstances does it mean "none." If you have 50 bananas and you eat one, you have "less" (or fewer, technically) than you had before, but you still have a lot of bananas. Does that make sense to you? If it doesn't, I'm sure there are some Sesame Street videos out there that explain it more.
@@AdeleiTeillana Yes because it is PROVEN that all coaches back then were abusive while now they are less abusive, huh….because you say so? Like you know very well what’s happening right now in Russia? Shushunova died 5 years ago and all we heard from Russia was that “she died from pneumonia”, because Russians were hiding very well alcoholic problems that Shushunova had had for years and who knows what else and we were all just amazed and so surprised about her sudden death when it was a common secret in Russia that things weren’t going well in her life…but you seem to know very well what is happening in Russian gymnastics nowadays compared to the ‘80s, right? Or you seem to know very well what happens in other countries like China, for instance, and you have proof that today’s coaches are LESS abusive than back then, based on what? On your STUΡΙDITY? Especially considering the fact that in countries like the US there has been such a major ABUSE and RAPE scandal that gymnasts who still perform today have lived and survived through it (ex Biles). So take your stupidity and stick it up in your big αss and stfυ. If such and abuse and such a scandal could have been happening FOR DECADES in the r US where there is freedom of the Press and it’s not any autocratic regime but it’s a democracy where people have rights, imagine what is happening right now in countries where people don’t have the freedoms and liberties and rights that people in western countries have. So next time you make stυρid claims make sure to USE your brain first to think, especially when those “claims” are only based on your stυpidity and on NO FACTS.
If a gymnast from the USSR, Romania, or GDR had performed the vault Hope Spivey did at 22:47, it would have been a 10.0. Hope only got an 9.85.
They were very harsh on the USA girls on vault, beam too. Yet look at the mistakes the East Germans made on beam and the scores they got. Shameful!
Yet it is the same in reverse today. Some routines performed by a U.S girl sometimes (I am talking about Biles on vault or floor type thing of course) would never get some of the scores they get if they were from anywhere else. It is reputation, has been part of the sport then and still is now. Or Kim never wins the 91 world AA title in 91 if it is held in any country but the U.S but I am taking a wild guess you never complained about that either.
@@mikeg4576 Yes East Germany had a thrash team this year. They only had Kersten and Tuemmler and Tuemmler was way weaker than the 87 worlds and Kersten was inconsistent and past her prime. Not only the U.S but Bulgaria should have beaten them. Bulgaria actually had a possible case for the bronze this year too.
@@milkybum6339 Bulgarians were robbed too especially on floor.
Awfull to show several times Strazheva fall on beam. But very interesting video, thank you for uploading
And Dobre’s scar !
I don't miss Dick Enberg at all.
46:20 Wow, someone bring THAT back. So pretty. And 46:57 omg so cool.
I wanted to see usa on the floor they kept missing half of it and then put another event from another team on I hate that
Watching the 2 small boxes are stupid why can't they show 1at a time and just replay the other
I totally agree!
I don't like the gymnasts today there not as graceful like back then
very true
Agree. There is no grace now. I don’t blame the gymnasts. I blame the new codes
I prefer today because they are not forced to fit into a specific body image mold, and are instead allowed to be themselves. These poor girls in many cases were horribly abused without the ability of today to STOP IT and get undeserved coaches booted out.
I hate how this commentator says 'Soviettes'
Anyone else creeped out at 0:27 when Dick Enberg called them “an attractive group of young women?”
Edit: This might become a trend...
“great eyes” 7:05 🤢
The voice of Mary Lou retton... Like a rich spoiled girl
She sucked as a commentator. It's no wonder NBC never used her again.
And@@mikeg8375, she was rather young at 20 or 21.
yo I just came came from soviet memes lol I wasn't taking serious at starting but when they do their thing I fell in love with their moves they be like women version of unbitten spiderman they also gained my respect for their hardwork I dont even know how they train how many hours they train in a day but u need crayz muscle memory to do this moves I guess and muscle memory comes with lots of train
Mary Lou’s contribution to commentary gets a 0
Double full off beam at olympics? Really?😂
Suni Lee won the all around in Tokyo with it.
Bulgaria or USA should have got the bronze. GDR never.
Who are the Americans?? No names.
No names who performed admirably despite their inexperience. They should have walked away with bronze.
Exactly@@mikeg8375. Thanks for NOTHING, Rhonda Faehn!!!
@@pinedelgado4743no, thank the JUDGES who gave the East Germans highly inflated beam scores in particular.
It's so annoying listening to Dick blathering on about the 0.5 technical deduction. That's not why they lost the bronze, Dick, they lost because of the falls which screwed up the momentum of scoring and the fact that virtually no one stuck their landings. That adds up to a lot more than 0.5 points.
Idk. I see your point, but you cant deny that the .5 deduction mathmatically cost them bronze. I think the real problem was the way the rule was interpreted, it was pretty obviously a political thing. If it were really about the safety of the athlete, they would have given a warning. It was a cheap shot.
The thing that cost them bronze was POLITICS. The East Germans received grossly inflated scores on beam- something a lot of people have remarked about. It’s a reflection of the eastern bloc fashion of scoring that was popular then.
Почему дурачок за микрофоном смеётся при произношении фамилии Баитова?