FAA reported: "AIRCRAFT DECLARED AN EMERGENCY AFTER DEPARTURE DUE TO AN ABNORMAL NOISE, RETURNED TO AIRPORT AND POST FLIGHT INSPECTION REVEALED THE RIGHT ENGINE COWLING HAD SEPARATED."
Airline pilots treat each other like a big ole family - if one is in trouble, the others will want to know if they’re okay! Kudos to the American pilot for asking about his United counterpart
Folks, aircraft are tested to land at their maximum takeoff weight even if they have a lower maximum landing weight. They have to be tested to ensure that if a situation like this arises, they can safely land and brake and stop on the remaining runway. Often all that is required is a overweight landing inspection. While it is not optimal to land over max landing weight, it can and is done safely when an abnormal or emergency situation arises that has higher priority than the 'maximum landing weight.'
When they have three bald tires with wires showing and the fourth one wobbles all over, and the car is leaking three different fluids but they insist they only want an oil change
United losing parts... I missed that! The AA Captain asking if everything was ok with the United crew... that's a great pilot!!! Made me proud of my profession!
It’s a scary time right now..not many people want to work they just want to tap on their phones. I had employees say “l can get fired and then collect unemployment.” A few of them couldn’t care less about you or your plane. It’s really bad.
@@persistentwindjust makes sense. Already got an issue, reports of fod. Doing it by the book. Also could have had a report from flight attendant by that stage.
It would be nice to know, what kind of part numbers. High EGT, turbine blades? Compressor blades, or remains of? I wish we got the whole story after this.
I often wonder how exactly a Captain announces to the passengers what is going on... "This is the Captain, it looks like we'll be returning to Bradley while we still have enough parts left to get there..."
I was actually on a Braniff air 747 from Boston to Germany in 1979. I was seated with a view of the left wing. The farthest engine on the wing exploded and most if it basically fell off the plane about 1.5 hours out from Boston. The plane did a little side dip when it happened, and not long after one of the pilots came back to my window and looked out. I asked if we were ok, he replied "oh sure we are, we have 3 more engins, we just like to leave a trail of parts occasionally so we don't get lost." The captain announced about 15 mins later that we lost an engine, literally, and we would be returning to Boston. Assured us the plane is fine with 3 engines and we would be landing in about 2 hours.
I’ve been in the Bradley tower before super cool. Got like a special tour with my flight instructor while doing general aviation when I was young. The People were very nice.
I live about 20 minutes from BDL, and it has always been a very well managed airport. In adverse weather, Bradley often stays open after Boston and New York airports have closed, making them the number 1 alternate most of the time.
While the communication was funtionally sufficient, it was hardly "professional" in any respect. Far too much fvcking around and discussion, as opposed to sticking to comms standards and only covering necessary points.
@@dongrant5827Yeah I work at Bradley. Frequently working on the runways/taxiways. The communication here is really good, and clear. We get plenty of diversions that go really smoothly, even for aircraft that our airport can’t typically accommodate (Based on size).
The communications: "Everything's perfectly alright now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?" "Do want to declare an emergency?" "Uh. Negative, negative. We've had an EGT exceedance on Number 2. Give us a few minutes to lock it down. Small exceedance, not very dangerous."
My first thought was something like the most vital part of the engine or the device that prevent the engine from becoming a bomb or something like that. When they refused to do the lowpass, i knew it was something like a door-plug or a wheel with the Boing logo on it. Now I'm thinking just an Airbus piece of fuselage, but it has Boing fingerprints of sabotage on it. Or Boing explosive residue. Sth like that. A piece of engine cowling with a Boing axe stuck on it.
If I didn't know any better, I'd have thought they were flying a B-36. "two turning, two burning, two smoking, two choking and two more unaccounted for"
I got that reference. My great uncle said something like this from when he was working with the 'Yanks' in Korea (even to his dying day he called all Americans 'Yanks' not out of hate, just what he learned in Germany and Europe). He wasn't a pilot or anything but did something around the air bases. He heard it off one of the American officers when and told me about it. I got the idea he didn't do much in Korea. Wouldn't talk about Germany or Europe, but talked and even laughed about things in his time in Korea. How Americans loved to trade for Australian rations. He thought it was a 'real hoot' when ever he tricked a yank to eat a spoon full of vegemite. Just thinking about how he would be bent over laughing makes me smile now.
@@BabyMakR For what it's worth, Americans don't generally find the term 'Yanks' or 'Yankees' offensive, especially when used by people from other countries. Seems to still be used pretty commonly by the British. The only times I can think of when an American might find the term offensive is if another American calls someone from the South that (when used by Americans in the South, the term normally refers to Americans from the Northeast) or if the person is a fan of the Boston Red Sox (arch-rivals of the New York Yankees. - haha)
@@vbscript2 Moreover, Americans have developed an innate ability to ignore the haters even when they do mean Yanks, or any other term, in a derogatory way. I'm not sure if that's from being at the top for a long time, or if it's American optimism, that drives it, but it's kind of funny that other countries' people believe that they can insult Americans worse than Americans insult themselves / each-other.
Outstanding professional job by all involved, controllers, aircrew, ops and ARFF., 27 years as a controller (tower and center) and couldn't find fault with any of it. I used to know a guy that worked at Bradley and he was a complete pro, so I see where they get it. Workplace culture matters. SFO could learn a thing or two... ahem...
Inner engine cowl separated. And Boeing had similar issues earlier this year, also largely unreported, so no need to make this an Airbus vs Boeing thing, either way. Probably maintenence issues in both cases.
OK, ao I read thru all the comments, but unless I missed it, no one has questioned how many MORE parts are now scattered all over Conneticut in backyards, pools, etc.
United has maintenance issues. I don’t know if it’s the in-house mechanics or the companies they sub work and inspections out to but they need to do some “house cleaning” and fast. They’re heading for something bad if they don’t square it away.
Wow, I think that was the first time I've ever heard communications from the tower and the aircraft that was actually discernible, enunciated English! I thought that all comms had to be that too cool for school, clipped jargon where the speaker swallows half of each word! In Connecticut, we have common sense!
UA-cam videos use audio from amateur radio operator receivers that pick up the radio traffic - they may not be able to pick up audio at the same quality as everyone else involved.
This was clearly a maintenance thing, Airbus even modified the cowl doors on the CFM56’s to require a key with a “remove before flight” tag on it, which REMAINS in the cowl latch till it’s locked again. They also added small access doors for routine maintenance items, and even IDG oil access doors are an option on the CFM56 engines - not sure how many airlines actually opted for this feature. The NEO family even has cowl switches that display an ECAM message “ENG 2 COWL NOT CLSD” or something to that effect in the cockpit! They also have a large flag that pops out on the side of the engine when unlocked. Airbus has definitely been proactive about the issue, they even have stickers airlines can buy, from “LOOK” arrows pointing to the latches, to extra flags, “warning ensure cowl is fully locked before flight” etc etc. It kinda blows my mind that these things keep happening.
@@whiskeymonk4085 Stop with the bashing. Personnel attitudes have changed in all industries since the pandemic. I've found quality issues in lots of thigs that were 100% prior.
You notice later in the conversations the United pilots speculated that maybe they hit a bird on takeoff. Maybe that's what the ground crew saw and didn't want to say over the frequency, that there was just a gory mess.
VASAviation - At marker 6:50 you have "No, that's highly discouraged by the Captain" but the FO actually said "No, that's highly discouraged by the Company". Not much you can do now without taking this video down and uploading a new one. (And I have a few thoughts about "the company's thoughts" as it kind of sounds like either the captain or FO are fixated on the landing gear, and that thinking has caused the crash of at least one airliner in the past. At least the low altitude pass would allow airport staff to verify the status of the landing gear for the flight crew. But that's outside the scope of the video.) Otherwise, Enjoying the videos.
What the creator could do is pin this comment… good catch. I was searching the comments as to why the captain refused a low approach since it seemed like a good idea at the time
@@Walmarts1 It’s not necessarily a good idea which is why the majors discourage it. Rarely does the crew receive any useful information. If the gear is hanging but not locked for instance, they may report “gear appears to be down” which doesn’t assure that it is locked. Plus the airplane is flying low and slow which adds another layer of risk.
I mean with all due respect to bdl and y90 controller, sfo tower and norcal approach are far far busier at most times so you gotta factor that in. I’d never throw stones, Bay Area controllers are great too.
I used to work KC-135's. If it was from a T.E. flap, it had to be a section of it to only be about 60 lbs. A full flap is several hundred, minimum. I hope no one was hurt.
@@benchoflemons398ehm, no, currently, if anything goes wrong with a Boeing, even small items on an aircraft made in the 90ies, it guarantees headlines.
The Crew Requested It. The CFR and County should be transparent. I have had a Part on Runway Call Before. The CFR could have said a description of the Part. It could make a huge difference. @VASAviation
I enjoy listening to stuff like this, something I've picked up on as I've been listening. It appears pilots seem very aware of what's okay to say or not say on the radio! Will get with "Company" and see what they say. I didn't think there could be so many ways to do the exact same thing. Am i missing something!
No. The pilot said he would contact the company because the major airlines have maintenance specialists, dispatchers and flight operations specialists available to help crews with problems. If the crew has time, they are highly encouraged to contact the experts. Now that almost all airliners have Satellite Coms, it just requires a push of a button.
So, is it just me or are cowlings not being fastened properly far too often now? Those cowling latch key mods and cowling unlatched flags can't be put on these aircraft fast enough, that's the only way this is reduced in chance to as close to an impossibility as possible.
The vast majority of Boeing technical incidents have not been reported either, cos the news media only cares about spectacular incidents, and this channel is ATC based, it doesn't analyse the official database for US pilot incident reports. Their ex-employee whistleblowers had been complaining about the trend in US pilot reports to the database about Boeing technical incidents soaring, for months before a couple of the incidents finally started making the news in January. This rise was not paralleled by Airbus.
Airbus is vastly safer than Boeing. Boeing has had over 700 fatal incidents and 1300 hull losses. It has had thousands of significant events including less severe incidents. Airbus by contrast has had around 160 fatal incidents and 270 hull losses in total and only hundreds of significant events including less severe incidents. Boeing has gone drastically downhill since its merger with McDonnel Douglas in 1997.
@@johnmknox I’m guessing this number includes military and civilian. I’m also guessing this includes pilot error, hijacking’s, and other incidents. How many aircraft has each company produced. I’m betting Boeing has built significantly more aircraft.
They maybe hit a deer crossing the runway. We have them and geese and foxes and coyotes all over at our local airfield. You have to avoid them obviously but a jet would have little chance of that.
i am still amazed that pilots still cannot have visual on their engines and gears via video cameras. there is video feed for passengers from outside the plane but cockpit cannot have video of the engines and landing gears or tail/wings....
I wondered that too. My presumption: he didn't want the passengers to freak out and/or if they're that close he just wants to land, given they are overweight.
One complaint. The 'couple of calls' United would have been making would be ops, and mx. Screw that. I lost an engine out of SAC, and was on the ground w/in 10 mins. Those calls are hobbles in an emergency.
I dont get the reluctance to declare emergency. Pieces are falling off. The runway is closed. You are returning back for an overweight landing. Vehicles are following you for inspection. there is no doubt.
Agreed, it is all about ego. "I am an airline pilot, I can handle anything" (usually it is I used to fly F16's etc. or filibustering while they dream up an excuse why they f*cked up. LOLOL. You do NOT know what damage there is or if you will continue to have a flyable aircraft so declare Mayday.. it is easy to downgrade it
@@mijo3642what nonsense. It wasn’t an emergency until they had more information and had run through their. Checklists. Stop making up stuff based on zero flying experience.
In these situations, in 2024, there should be procedures in place for airports to easily email photos and videos (of pieces of sheet metal, etc.) to an airline's chief pilot and maintenance depts. (or a designated standby person) to quickly determine what the part is, if possible, who can then relay to pilots - the more info the pilots can have before landing, the better. Asking ARFF to try to determine what these parts are is like asking a doctor to engineer a building - it's just the wrong person for the job.
I would NEVER said all those details on a live ATC channel! Take that to company freq! Good mood by the captain electing not to do a low pass because that will terrify the people on board however, the way he said it over the radio is what makes this a event and should never been discussed
Um, no. These details are crucial for the tower to be able to accomodate whatever the United pilots needed to do. The other two planes are helping prevent more accidents by pointing out the flotsam left on the runway and being patient with everyone. Once the United plane is on the ground, everyone has to make sure the plane has somewhere safe to go and is safe itself to get itself there. The pilots saying they can't do a low pass wasn't about terrifying the passengers. Some airlines actually have company policy that doesn't allow for it to happen. I don't know the reasoning, but that's what the United pilots were saying to Tower. It's definitely not unheard of for pilots in general to make a low pass over an airport/runway to have ground crews look at the plane up close to see if landing gear has lowered or if there is a part missing, then heading back into the sky and figure the next steps out in the air.
@@HeidiKohne you do realize that it is extra redundancy to do a low pass in a airbus, especially due to the fact that everything is electronically monitored, including the tire pressure for each tire
You can tell this isn't a Boeing as it's not in the news. Were this a 757 or a 777, it would be headline news "Boeing plane has parts fall off on take off and landing"
Boeing has problems as the Boeing space capsule is stuck at the space station with major issues. Come on Boeing can all the upper level administrators now
United...I think it's time you fire some of your staff. This isn't a small problem ether. Of course, given this was an A320, I wonder if this will make the nightly news? No it wont.
Id rather not say over the frequency.. Well what help those guys are. Would have been helpful to let the pilot know what yall found but i guess its secret. Maybe thats protocol, but as a pilot, i would be like wtf did you all find that you can't tell us !
Why on earth would they not want to do a low approach to have tower give them a visual report of any damage before landing? Surely the more info on the situation would allow captain to plan the landing to reduce risks.
@@andij605 having extra knowledge about the condition of your aircraft, which pilot clearly was not having any handling issues with at the time, would reduce risk. He was prepared to keep flying until the longer runway was cleared - could easily have used that time to do a low approach but blocked by company.
Very well handled by all. Kudos to United for NOT doing a flyby, this is not Hollywood! BDL controllers relaxed and professional. A good story from the US for a change!
FAA reported: "AIRCRAFT DECLARED AN EMERGENCY AFTER DEPARTURE DUE TO AN ABNORMAL NOISE, RETURNED TO AIRPORT AND POST FLIGHT INSPECTION REVEALED THE RIGHT ENGINE COWLING HAD SEPARATED."
Thanks, know my curiosity was peaked until I saw your comment!
Why was maintenance so afraid of saying what it was on frequency? They're hiding something
@@JimNortonsAlcoholism I have to assume they didn't want to panic anyone before the plane got back on the ground!
@@frednewman2162who's getting panicked because of an engine cowling? This is a cover up.
Maybe it’s a cover up of a cover up!!
Tower: yes your engine 2 is fine, we'll have it here at the gate for you.
lmao
LOL
"Would you like it gift-wrapped?"
😂😂😂
rofl
Props to the jetblue flight that pointed out the debris! That American airline plane could have had a very bad time had they continued with takeoff.
.. you think any pilot is not going to say there was debris on the runway?
@@craig7350 I think you need to fix something in your life if you're gonna have a sassy remark to a positive comment.
@@craig7350situational awareness is not doled out evenly.
Jet Blue /AIRBUS... American Air/Boeing!
@@johnwilliam8366Your brain is as smooth as a sheet of paper
Such a nice gesture from the American asking if United was all good. Sound like a nice guy!
Yes, indeed.🙂👍
Airline pilots treat each other like a big ole family - if one is in trouble, the others will want to know if they’re okay! Kudos to the American pilot for asking about his United counterpart
He’s a fellow human and pilot, of course he would. It’s not like competing airlines are rivals or something.
isnt it kind of one of their business like world the tower actually updated them on their status rathr then just say good now fuck off
"We're about 10,000 lbs overweight."
"Yeah, we just found half your airplane scattered all over our runway."
"Okay then we're fine then"
I guess they're not overweight anymore. 🤣
Back when I was a very amateur skier, that was called a "yard sale".
@@KennethAGrimm Wow, that's a term I haven't heard in a long time. Yup... totally a yard sale! 🤣
Folks, aircraft are tested to land at their maximum takeoff weight even if they have a lower maximum landing weight. They have to be tested to ensure that if a situation like this arises, they can safely land and brake and stop on the remaining runway. Often all that is required is a overweight landing inspection. While it is not optimal to land over max landing weight, it can and is done safely when an abnormal or emergency situation arises that has higher priority than the 'maximum landing weight.'
@@charliealpha11f3b2 That was a perfectly good explanation that you wasted on me.
"Your airplane keeps dropping stuff everywhere, are you ok?" "Everything is fine, do you have our gate?"
be that calm pilot from way before who had the engine fire but didn't want to declare emergency :P
This video is hilarious.
@@653j521 how?
"Yes, we have your gate. We also have your right-side engine cowling, a cargo door, and half a shredded tire."
When they have three bald tires with wires showing and the fourth one wobbles all over, and the car is leaking three different fluids but they insist they only want an oil change
United losing parts... I missed that! The AA Captain asking if everything was ok with the United crew... that's a great pilot!!! Made me proud of my profession!
Aircraft Mechanic 1: You get those bolts tightened up?
Aircraft Mechanic 2: What?
"I thought you did it?"
...as Mechanic 2 rattles bolts around nervously in his pocket...
He was a good mechanic! He never had a customer make it back to complain!
In the case of Boeing:
Mechanic 1: You got those bolts tightened up?
Mechanic 2: I'm a manager in HR.
Mechanic 3: I'm also a manager in HR.
It’s a scary time right now..not many people want to work they just want to tap on their phones. I had employees say “l can get fired and then collect unemployment.” A few of them couldn’t care less about you or your plane. It’s really bad.
"I'd rather not say it over the frequency."
Pilot "Oh shit"
The coincidence of them declaring right after that... interesting.
@@persistentwindjust makes sense. Already got an issue, reports of fod. Doing it by the book. Also could have had a report from flight attendant by that stage.
They were on different frequencies.
It would be nice to know, what kind of part numbers. High EGT, turbine blades? Compressor blades, or remains of? I wish we got the whole story after this.
@@JAMESWUERTELE it’s only just happened. I’m sure details will come out eventually.
I often wonder how exactly a Captain announces to the passengers what is going on... "This is the Captain, it looks like we'll be returning to Bradley while we still have enough parts left to get there..."
I was actually on a Braniff air 747 from Boston to Germany in 1979. I was seated with a view of the left wing. The farthest engine on the wing exploded and most if it basically fell off the plane about 1.5 hours out from Boston. The plane did a little side dip when it happened, and not long after one of the pilots came back to my window and looked out. I asked if we were ok, he replied "oh sure we are, we have 3 more engins, we just like to leave a trail of parts occasionally so we don't get lost."
The captain announced about 15 mins later that we lost an engine, literally, and we would be returning to Boston. Assured us the plane is fine with 3 engines and we would be landing in about 2 hours.
Those parts of the plane that have left Bradley will be returning to be with the rest of the plane.
That’s the most chill tower controller I’ve ever heard. He’s got a vibe
Part of the training, a calm voice, even if the control tower is on fire, and you are being cooked in the chair.
BDL is my home airport, it's about as mellow as a Northeast airport can get. No NYC-area hyper-agro energy, no BOS perpetual hair-pulling.
I’ve been in the Bradley tower before super cool. Got like a special tour with my flight instructor while doing general aviation when I was young. The People were very nice.
Excellent communication, competency and professionalism by all involved. With all the negative goings-on in aviation, this is reassuring.
Yes, indeed!👍
I live about 20 minutes from BDL, and it has always been a very well managed airport. In adverse weather, Bradley often stays open after Boston and New York airports have closed, making them the number 1 alternate most of the time.
Yeah, that's some good comms right there (though the captain seemed to be a bit agitated).
While the communication was funtionally sufficient, it was hardly "professional" in any respect. Far too much fvcking around and discussion, as opposed to sticking to comms standards and only covering necessary points.
@@dongrant5827Yeah I work at Bradley. Frequently working on the runways/taxiways. The communication here is really good, and clear. We get plenty of diversions that go really smoothly, even for aircraft that our airport can’t typically accommodate (Based on size).
Outstanding professionalism. Great job everyone!
The communications:
"Everything's perfectly alright now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?"
"Do want to declare an emergency?"
"Uh. Negative, negative. We've had an EGT exceedance on Number 2. Give us a few minutes to lock it down. Small exceedance, not very dangerous."
"Shut down all the garbage engines on the detention level!"
@@davidg3944 "3.6 Roentgen - not great, not terrible"
Boring conversation anyway...
I have empirical data that this is the best comment on the video 🙂
"I'd rather not say over the frequency."
My first thought was, "Did they find a dead body?"
No he’s just another self important douchebag airside employee
Exactly ! Dead guy parts on runway …. Oh Dear - 😢 what the hell is it ?
Good ATC ! Very good - Nice to hear .
Hah same here.
My first thought was something like the most vital part of the engine or the device that prevent the engine from becoming a bomb or something like that. When they refused to do the lowpass, i knew it was something like a door-plug or a wheel with the Boing logo on it.
Now I'm thinking just an Airbus piece of fuselage, but it has Boing fingerprints of sabotage on it. Or Boing explosive residue. Sth like that. A piece of engine cowling with a Boing axe stuck on it.
Omg, Tower has the nicest ATC voice ever!!!
His voice is so silky smooth. It’s like eating the finest chocolate.
BDL is a great airport and it was nice to hear AA concern for their fellow professionals. Happy all round.
👍
everything you said is true but this is all unacceptable, full stop. Capitalism is killing us all slowly.
Everyone looking out for each other, and everyone was so calm. Awesome to see how professional everyone was.
If I didn't know any better, I'd have thought they were flying a B-36. "two turning, two burning, two smoking, two choking and two more unaccounted for"
I got that reference.
My great uncle said something like this from when he was working with the 'Yanks' in Korea (even to his dying day he called all Americans 'Yanks' not out of hate, just what he learned in Germany and Europe). He wasn't a pilot or anything but did something around the air bases. He heard it off one of the American officers when and told me about it. I got the idea he didn't do much in Korea. Wouldn't talk about Germany or Europe, but talked and even laughed about things in his time in Korea. How Americans loved to trade for Australian rations. He thought it was a 'real hoot' when ever he tricked a yank to eat a spoon full of vegemite. Just thinking about how he would be bent over laughing makes me smile now.
@@BabyMakR For what it's worth, Americans don't generally find the term 'Yanks' or 'Yankees' offensive, especially when used by people from other countries. Seems to still be used pretty commonly by the British. The only times I can think of when an American might find the term offensive is if another American calls someone from the South that (when used by Americans in the South, the term normally refers to Americans from the Northeast) or if the person is a fan of the Boston Red Sox (arch-rivals of the New York Yankees. - haha)
@@vbscript2 Moreover, Americans have developed an innate ability to ignore the haters even when they do mean Yanks, or any other term, in a derogatory way. I'm not sure if that's from being at the top for a long time, or if it's American optimism, that drives it, but it's kind of funny that other countries' people believe that they can insult Americans worse than Americans insult themselves / each-other.
Aviation is a team sport. Great response!
“HONK IF PARTS FALL OFF” bumper sticker optional.
Or the kids fall out....
low approach "highly discouraged by the company" not "captain"
Exactly. Isn't the "company" ran by a dragqueen who hires based on demographics?
Isn't this the same company that had a door fall off when departing PDX about three months ago?
@@whiskeymonk4085 The door over PDX was a Boeing 737 operated by Alaska Airlines. This was an Airbus A321 operated by United.
Didn't the part that destroyed that Concorde come from a company that was bought by Boing?
@@jello3456543 Thanks!
Props to all involved, and props to the guys with the scanners out there. Not often that you get such clear comms of the guys on the ground.
Outstanding professional job by all involved, controllers, aircrew, ops and ARFF., 27 years as a controller (tower and center) and couldn't find fault with any of it. I used to know a guy that worked at Bradley and he was a complete pro, so I see where they get it. Workplace culture matters. SFO could learn a thing or two... ahem...
I talk to Bradley almost every time I fly. They are always great.
Inner engine cowl separated.
And Boeing had similar issues earlier this year, also largely unreported, so no need to make this an Airbus vs Boeing thing, either way.
Probably maintenence issues in both cases.
United really needs to have a look at their MX procedures. Can't keep having parts falling off airplanes!
That "I'd rather not say it over the frequency" gives the vibe of a body fell down onto the runway and got ran over by the wheel...
My guess is the issue was quite egregious, he likely knows exactly what did/didnt happen.
They didn’t want to say because everyone be like “omg Boeing” etc.
@@MeppyManyeah, or there could easily be passengers on the plane listening lol.
I think the most likely reason is that they didn't want to speculate and then have decisions made based on speculation
@@MeppyMan that's an Airbus
"We'd rather not say over frequency."
Everybody: ENGINE!
Never a good thing when pieces keep falling off your airplane even when you’re landing.
Su that's what those extra bolts were for. I hate it when I have hardware leftover.
UAL325: If airport Ops could save that sheet metal for us, please.
BDL TWR: Finders keepers.
OK, ao I read thru all the comments, but unless I missed it, no one has questioned how many MORE parts are now scattered all over Conneticut in backyards, pools, etc.
BDL is up in the middle of nowhere. You'd have to scour the Tobacco fields, numerous parking lots and I think a random OTB.
Some follow-up on this one would be nice
Thank you Capt. Obvious.
Does United even have maintenance crews anymore? Or did all the money go to executive salaries?
Fantastic from ATC and pilots - all calm and giving good information.
Good job JetBlue. That might have averted disaster. Quick thinking to the controller also for canceling that takeoff clearance.
United has maintenance issues. I don’t know if it’s the in-house mechanics or the companies they sub work and inspections out to but they need to do some “house cleaning” and fast. They’re heading for something bad if they don’t square it away.
Wow, I think that was the first time I've ever heard communications from the tower and the aircraft that was actually discernible, enunciated English! I thought that all comms had to be that too cool for school, clipped jargon where the speaker swallows half of each word! In Connecticut, we have common sense!
UA-cam videos use audio from amateur radio operator receivers that pick up the radio traffic - they may not be able to pick up audio at the same quality as everyone else involved.
This was clearly a maintenance thing, Airbus even modified the cowl doors on the CFM56’s to require a key with a “remove before flight” tag on it, which REMAINS in the cowl latch till it’s locked again.
They also added small access doors for routine maintenance items, and even IDG oil access doors are an option on the CFM56 engines - not sure how many airlines actually opted for this feature.
The NEO family even has cowl switches that display an ECAM message “ENG 2 COWL NOT CLSD” or something to that effect in the cockpit! They also have a large flag that pops out on the side of the engine when unlocked.
Airbus has definitely been proactive about the issue, they even have stickers airlines can buy, from “LOOK” arrows pointing to the latches, to extra flags, “warning ensure cowl is fully locked before flight” etc etc.
It kinda blows my mind that these things keep happening.
United. Dragqueen CEO hires based on dei. Not competency. From the "bottom" up.
@@whiskeymonk4085 Stop with the bashing. Personnel attitudes have changed in all industries since the pandemic. I've found quality issues in lots of thigs that were 100% prior.
@@mro4440 When people start hiring based on merit and competency again I will stop. Until then, NO.
Right - agreed - these engine cowlings must be very expensive + repair labor time .
UAL A320s are not CFM equipped, its the IAE V2500 engines.
Thats how it is to work ... everyone Calm and keeping their eyes open. Everyone communicated properly. I would give a grade of A for all involved.
Hey, at least the front didn't fall off.
They would have towed the plane out of the environment
I just want to point out that sort of thing isn’t typical.
This one was built to rigorous aviation standards. No cardboard or cardboard derivatives.
Imagine if this was a 737. It would have been International news.
"United airlines, who run a majority Boeing fleet, had parts fall off from one of their airplanes today"
Did I get the spin right?
@@mrgilbe1ooh, that’s devilish
@@mrgilbe1 now you’re thinking like a news reporter! James Jameson would be proud
I looked at that UAL325 flight, it’s always a 737 on it
Just be a clueless reporter and call it a Boeing A320-737-
Emergency aircraft is worried about possibly missing a tire, and here's the airport fire captain who's too busy keeping secrets over the radio
Yes. That was strange.
@@UncleSubBass Speculate between sheet metal and tire? What kind of tires to planes have, these days?
You notice later in the conversations the United pilots speculated that maybe they hit a bird on takeoff. Maybe that's what the ground crew saw and didn't want to say over the frequency, that there was just a gory mess.
VASAviation - At marker 6:50 you have "No, that's highly discouraged by the Captain" but the FO actually said "No, that's highly discouraged by the Company". Not much you can do now without taking this video down and uploading a new one. (And I have a few thoughts about "the company's thoughts" as it kind of sounds like either the captain or FO are fixated on the landing gear, and that thinking has caused the crash of at least one airliner in the past. At least the low altitude pass would allow airport staff to verify the status of the landing gear for the flight crew. But that's outside the scope of the video.)
Otherwise, Enjoying the videos.
What the creator could do is pin this comment… good catch. I was searching the comments as to why the captain refused a low approach since it seemed like a good idea at the time
@@Walmarts1 It’s not necessarily a good idea which is why the majors discourage it. Rarely does the crew receive any useful information. If the gear is hanging but not locked for instance, they may report “gear appears to be down” which doesn’t assure that it is locked. Plus the airplane is flying low and slow which adds another layer of risk.
@@davidbeattie1366 oh… the more you know. These are things I don’t quite have to worry about in my fixed gear Warrior 😅
United 173 Dec 28, 1978
Really great controllers
I mean with all due respect to bdl and y90 controller, sfo tower and norcal approach are far far busier at most times so you gotta factor that in. I’d never throw stones, Bay Area controllers are great too.
here on oahu, we just ahd a part fall off a kc135(trailing edge flap, 60lbs 15 ft long) hit near water/homes.
Today?
I used to work KC-135's. If it was from a T.E. flap, it had to be a section of it to only be about 60 lbs. A full flap is several hundred, minimum. I hope no one was hurt.
Props, (no pun intended), to Jet Blue for the instant heads up.
JetBlue 433 was 'F-word' lucky not to run over that metal or whatever it was, gives Concorde vibes of running over FOD on takeoff..
Did they actually take off from that runway or were they just flying close enough to see it? I have no idea where they came from.
@@MikeDCWeld the actual runway
@@VASAviation they just popped up on frequency out of nowhere. For all I knew, they spotted the debris while doing a go around.
But I know
@@VASAviation how? And why don't we know?
Engine 2 is running normally. Its not part of the plane anymore, but other than that it's doing great!
I like this United crew. Textbook dudes. Good job.
"Save that sheetmetal" like they were just going to throw it in the bin.
They have to say that. The CFR could take it as evidence or for there report.
Boeing: "Whew! Thank goodness!'🙅♂😅
right? if something "fell" off a Boeing, can you imagine the headlines?
@@mtesovicyou mean like a couple months ago? Yeah, I think we can all “ imagine” the headline
@@benchoflemons398ehm, no, currently, if anything goes wrong with a Boeing, even small items on an aircraft made in the 90ies, it guarantees headlines.
This video’s only an hour old. Give it time for the trolls to pickle it up 😂
No kidding!
Airlines are going to have to start putting baggage tags all over their parts for quick reinstall after drop.
I was on that flight
A portion of the bottom of your plane just fell off.
Are engines are fine and running within parameters so we are good. 😂
All communications sound good, but it would have been good to know the outcome.
Houston, we have a problem.
Why did crew on runway clearing debris not want to say what kind of parts were on the runway?
Why should they?
The Crew Requested It. The CFR and County should be transparent. I have had a Part on Runway Call Before. The CFR could have said a description of the Part. It could make a huge difference. @VASAviation
@@VASAviationwhy wouldn't they
Because it would have been on the news before the plane even made it back to the gate.
I think it was a good call by ground ops, BUT the flight crew has every right to know what part(s) came off their aircraft.
Another CT/Bradley video....crazy to it again after the B-17 accident
WOW this was minbogglingly professional and well done 0_0 i'm high af and seriously amazed how this went 0_0
I enjoy listening to stuff like this, something I've picked up on as I've been listening. It appears pilots seem very aware of what's okay to say or not say on the radio! Will get with "Company" and see what they say.
I didn't think there could be so many ways to do the exact same thing. Am i missing something!
No. The pilot said he would contact the company because the major airlines have maintenance specialists, dispatchers and flight operations specialists available to help crews with problems. If the crew has time, they are highly encouraged to contact the experts. Now that almost all airliners have Satellite Coms, it just requires a push of a button.
If an engine received foreign object damage (F.O.D.) on take-off roll I would think it would be vibrating like crazy. The crew & ATC handled it well.
Definitely need the rest of the story on this one. Anybody find anything?
Saw no news coverage of this. imagine if it was a Boeing.
So, is it just me or are cowlings not being fastened properly far too often now?
Those cowling latch key mods and cowling unlatched flags can't be put on these aircraft fast enough, that's the only way this is reduced in chance to as close to an impossibility as possible.
Why is ARFF being coy about the type of debris? Makes no sense. What liability would ARFF have by describing what they found on the runway?
Wonder why we didn’t see this on the news yet?
Oh it’s not a Boeing.
Exactly. And said it before any Boeing issue I can match with Airbus. Mile technically Boeing has had less mishaps compared to Airbus.
The vast majority of Boeing technical incidents have not been reported either, cos the news media only cares about spectacular incidents, and this channel is ATC based, it doesn't analyse the official database for US pilot incident reports. Their ex-employee whistleblowers had been complaining about the trend in US pilot reports to the database about Boeing technical incidents soaring, for months before a couple of the incidents finally started making the news in January. This rise was not paralleled by Airbus.
@@compulsiverambler1352 still, per travelled distance Boeing is safer.
Airbus is vastly safer than Boeing. Boeing has had over 700 fatal incidents and 1300 hull losses. It has had thousands of significant events including less severe incidents. Airbus by contrast has had around 160 fatal incidents and 270 hull losses in total and only hundreds of significant events including less severe incidents. Boeing has gone drastically downhill since its merger with McDonnel Douglas in 1997.
@@johnmknox I’m guessing this number includes military and civilian. I’m also guessing this includes pilot error, hijacking’s, and other incidents. How many aircraft has each company produced. I’m betting Boeing has built significantly more aircraft.
We didn't get to see the results of the distrbution of parts on the runway. What did the starboard engine look like after the landing?
Awesome coordination all around❣️
Meanwhile passengers are surely getting angrier and angrier not appreciating how many delays are for their own safety.
They maybe hit a deer crossing the runway. We have them and geese and foxes and coyotes all over at our local airfield. You have to avoid them obviously but a jet would have little chance of that.
"It was a 10-pointer, fuselage ok?"
Sounds like someone's buddy/brother is related to some A-P Mechanic on duty
Thanks for the video 🙏
Sir Your tail is missing and all over the runway.
Pilot:- our engine's are fine.. tell me the gate number.
FO voice reminds me of Neil Armstrong.
i am still amazed that pilots still cannot have visual on their engines and gears via video cameras. there is video feed for passengers from outside the plane but cockpit cannot have video of the engines and landing gears or tail/wings....
Out of curiosity, why would the captain not want to do a low pass over the runway? Was he worried about an engine failing while they were low?
If you’re having engine troubles, bring low and slow isn’t the best place to be.
I wondered that too. My presumption: he didn't want the passengers to freak out and/or if they're that close he just wants to land, given they are overweight.
I think the caption is incorrect. The word I hear is "company," not "captain."
Against company policy
The company didn’t want pictures of a crippled airplane in United colors all over social media.
One complaint. The 'couple of calls' United would have been making would be ops, and mx. Screw that. I lost an engine out of SAC, and was on the ground w/in 10 mins. Those calls are hobbles in an emergency.
I dont get the reluctance to declare emergency. Pieces are falling off. The runway is closed. You are returning back for an overweight landing. Vehicles are following you for inspection. there is no doubt.
Agreed, it is all about ego. "I am an airline pilot, I can handle anything" (usually it is I used to fly F16's etc. or filibustering while they dream up an excuse why they f*cked up. LOLOL. You do NOT know what damage there is or if you will continue to have a flyable aircraft so declare Mayday.. it is easy to downgrade it
@@mijo3642what nonsense. It wasn’t an emergency until they had more information and had run through their. Checklists. Stop making up stuff based on zero flying experience.
This is real life, not some made for TV movie,
It's paperwork. And you'd rather not do more paperwork until you run chrcklists and make sure of everything.
@@FreshTillDeath56 nope. Mayday first... you don't need paperwork with flightsim though do you?
"Was it the door?" - Apollo 13
LOL
TOO SOON
It's united, purposefully spelled with a little u. I am not surprised.
Please cover the 737max8 emergency descent that happened in korea yesterday 22 June 2024 around 0842UTC (KE189 HL8352)
Were the two pilots both on the radio contradicting each other? First about checking the gear, then about going to the gate?
Good stuff.
In these situations, in 2024, there should be procedures in place for airports to easily email photos and videos (of pieces of sheet metal, etc.) to an airline's chief pilot and maintenance depts. (or a designated standby person) to quickly determine what the part is, if possible, who can then relay to pilots - the more info the pilots can have before landing, the better. Asking ARFF to try to determine what these parts are is like asking a doctor to engineer a building - it's just the wrong person for the job.
So what was it? What was the sheetmetal? What else fell out ?
I would NEVER said all those details on a live ATC channel! Take that to company freq! Good mood by the captain electing not to do a low pass because that will terrify the people on board however, the way he said it over the radio is what makes this a event and should never been discussed
Um, no. These details are crucial for the tower to be able to accomodate whatever the United pilots needed to do. The other two planes are helping prevent more accidents by pointing out the flotsam left on the runway and being patient with everyone. Once the United plane is on the ground, everyone has to make sure the plane has somewhere safe to go and is safe itself to get itself there.
The pilots saying they can't do a low pass wasn't about terrifying the passengers. Some airlines actually have company policy that doesn't allow for it to happen. I don't know the reasoning, but that's what the United pilots were saying to Tower. It's definitely not unheard of for pilots in general to make a low pass over an airport/runway to have ground crews look at the plane up close to see if landing gear has lowered or if there is a part missing, then heading back into the sky and figure the next steps out in the air.
@@HeidiKohne please privately send me your commercial pilot license number or ATP.
If you don’t have one then just stop talking
@@HeidiKohne did you get my last request?
@@HeidiKohne you do realize that it is extra redundancy to do a low pass in a airbus, especially due to the fact that everything is electronically monitored, including the tire pressure for each tire
@@HeidiKohne please message me your commercial or ATP pilot license then I’ll maybe debate you otherwise
Yeah, just another bobble head
Reminds me of my neighbors bitching at me when my exhaust system fell off in the street.
Don't need 'em. Those parts are just extra weight.
You can tell this isn't a Boeing as it's not in the news. Were this a 757 or a 777, it would be headline news "Boeing plane has parts fall off on take off and landing"
Boeing has problems as the Boeing space capsule is stuck at the space station with major issues. Come on Boeing can all the upper level administrators now
757 LOL. It would have been good if Boeing had kept producing them instead of building the disastrous and deadly 737-MAX.
If it wasn’t birds, that sounds like a maintenance issue for SURE!!!
Could you keep the sheet metal for us and bring a tube of glue that’d be appreciated
United...I think it's time you fire some of your staff. This isn't a small problem ether. Of course, given this was an A320, I wonder if this will make the nightly news?
No it wont.
Very Professional and Very thorough assessment and actions !!!!~~~~~ VERY WELL DONE !!!!!!
Id rather not say over the frequency.. Well what help those guys are. Would have been helpful to let the pilot know what yall found but i guess its secret. Maybe thats protocol, but as a pilot, i would be like wtf did you all find that you can't tell us !
Why on earth would they not want to do a low approach to have tower give them a visual report of any damage before landing? Surely the more info on the situation would allow captain to plan the landing to reduce risks.
bc a low pass by itself adds a lot of risks
There are quite a few reasons
@@VASAviation such a detailed response…
@@andij605 having extra knowledge about the condition of your aircraft, which pilot clearly was not having any handling issues with at the time, would reduce risk. He was prepared to keep flying until the longer runway was cleared - could easily have used that time to do a low approach but blocked by company.
In other comments people said it's because with a potential engine issue you don't want to lose precious altitude and speed.
Airbus: Yeah, that’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point.
This makes incident twenty? for United, I lost count now.
Very well handled by all.
Kudos to United for NOT doing a flyby, this is not Hollywood! BDL controllers relaxed and professional. A good story from the US for a change!
A.N.C. oh but wait, company protocol dictates call them first.