Shortly after this incident occured, TWO more emergencies were declared simultaneously. Video for those here -> ua-cam.com/video/zUHvfWxJSF4/v-deo.htmlsi=4iRRBEliXWsj3DrR
I greatly appreciate when ATC makes the cleared for landing or cleared for takeoff statement crystal clear. I in turn always make my reply super clear as well. Those are two calls I especially don’t want to misunderstand.
“The runway is all yours” I love seeing how JFK controllers, famous for having zero patience, are instantly accommodating and helpful the second an emergency arises. Consummate professionals. Bravo.
Starting at 2:50 the tower states it "might" need to sweep the runway for debris. The Delta A330 pilot chimes in to all but force a sweep and cover his ass if his plane gets damaged. Safety first!
Yes, good call by that pilot. Too many emergencies and even crashes and lives lost caused by FOD from a previously damaged aircraft. I was thinking that... Can other pilots request a runway sweep before they go down the same runway or taxiway that a (now emergency) aircraft went? I'm not a pilot, but if I were I'd be tempted to directly ask in those situations before moving the plane. Only takes a couple of minutes to send a car out there to do a sweep. Seems like it should be standard procedure after any type of engine flames etc.
@@jayschafer1760 Pilots absolutely can request anything they want. ATC can then respond how they want...and then the pilot making the request can decide go/no-go if the answer isn't to their liking.
In addition to PAPD ARFF crews, an Alert 3 at either airport gets a second alarm response from the FDNY with numerous special units to assist. 13 engine companies (many bringing support vehicles), 4 trucks, 2 rescues, 2 squad companies, 11 command officers, 11 support units and vehicles, and a fireboat. That's like every FD in my entire county!
I quite often listen to JFK tower/ground to help me sleep at night (I like the chatter and I live in the UK so it’s nice and busy at JFK whilst I’m nodding off). I woke up to this in the middle of the night but was too sleepy to retain anything other than that there was a serious-sounding emergency. Thanks for answering that question 😂
English isn't his first language so he's just speaking slowly and calmly as possible. Speaking in a panic in broken English wouldn't help the situation
1:58 @VASAviation The Endeavour says "The right engine is just glowing at the back, It does *NOT* look like it's on fire" - the caption says the opposite. This is why the JetBlue says they can taxi off.
You guys are fast. 😂 Only correction would be Endeavor mentioning the the engine just glowing in the back. It does not look like it's on fire. But it looks like the comment section already got it.
Clearing another aircraft to line up and wait on the same runway location where an engine possibly exploded does not earn a gold star. Additionally, the comms were long with considerable unnecessary discussion. "Professional" is not what I'd call it.
@@k1mgySo it wasn’t perfect, as any emergency situation rarely is. But they all certainly remained professional. And they did a pretty damned good job all around. Everyone was switched on and reacted appropriately.
Idk why people are complaining that the pilot is so calm?! What do you want a pilot freaking out over something that is being handled calm and professionally?!?
@@michaelflynn458 That was called by ATC. Initially the aircraft was cleared to line up and wait and the Endever pilot started to move until the clearance was canceled by ATC. I'm surprised the clearance wasn't rejected right away.
You won't find a clearer, more coordinated, more efficient emergency communications than the ones at JFK when something goes down. This was incredible work by all involved. Props to Endeavour and Delta for spotting the flames. Interesting that they said they had no APU and didn't want to shut down the other engine. I mean at that point, does it even matter? The plane wasn't going anywhere.
No APU and no engine also means, no aircon, no lights in the cabin, only emergency power in the avionics, etc. They have a plane full of people. I'm not sure how long they can last with no air condition...
I believe if they shut down the engine with no APU, they will have no heat or ventilation in the cabin, and would either have to be towed in, or have to bring out ground equipment to restart the engine. That would make the situation far more complicated, so no sense doing that unless necessary.
All in all, a great job to everyone. I am not a pilot, but I am an amateur radio operator. I currently have 8 different radios that I am monitoring. I run a net one, sometimes twice a week. We all have our own cadences. Don't give garbage to the pilots or controllers. We all have our own cadence.
The JFK emergency crews are studs on the radio, perfect read-back and communication. I’ve never worked at an airport where field maintenance or emergency response weren’t completely tripping over the freq.
I realize that this is a great example of proper training....but Jetblue's pilot sounds like he took an herbal lunch or at least a couple of hits before take off lmao 😂 dude was not fazed at allll.
@@max-_-6352 Wow, had no idea. I'd assume having an APU is pretty important, especially if you were to loose both engines in flight (admitted very rare, but has happened?).
@@repatch43If you lose both engines in flight without an APU, you use your ram air turbine to power the important things like hydraulics and avionics while you find the best spot you can glide to a landing at.
idk why everyone is roasting the pilot for the comms. sounds like he's doing his best to stay calm, analyze the situation and probably coordinating an evacuation between the flight attendants. Gotta love the professionalism at JFK edit: he might be ESL, which would make sense
English isn't his first language so he's just speaking slowly and calmly as possible. Speaking in a panic in broken English wouldn't help the situation
English isn't his first language so he's just speaking slowly and calmly as possible. Speaking in a panic in broken English wouldn't help the situation
@@tawogtrailers seems to me being able to speak the standard language of aviation clearly, quickly, and succinctly should be germane in the hiring process. Were I a passenger and this delivery came over the intercom, I would be alarmed.
@@1947davePlanes have FAA-approved lists of equipment that they are allowed to have inoperable and still fly. Sometimes those restrictions vary based on flight types, e.g., I doubt a plane without a working APU would be allowed to do an ETOPS or long over water flight.
@@jayschafer1760 Good point, but that restriction wouldn't have helped Sully and Skiles to achieve their miracle - the working APU made things one whole lot better for the pilots and may have saved the day.
Is it a risk going back to the gate rather than offloading away from the buildings? Rescue didn't see any problems but could there be a fuel leak or other risk that's not yet large enough for them to see?
This video is a good example for those aviation enthusiast that want to become pilots just heard how tired that Jetblue pilot sounds and is incredible because that was his first leg coming out of base.
If the engine is on fire and clearly it was. Why isn't JB powering down where there at? When the controller made the HB move from its location. The engine began to spark up again once they started moving therefore sending more debris onto the runway and further damaging the engine and possibly catching on fire a 2nd time. I get the whole thing of keeping the runway open. But, it sounds that more debris landed on the runway when they asked it move again.
@@JustinJackson11 Is your company JBU? That'd solve the questions. If it is not, I stick to what I have learned from reading several airline SOPs which say that Captain has control and communications and FO fights the problems with the QRH or any other checklist on hand.
@@VASAviation Not yet, until the judge approves the pending merger. We operate very similarly and for a rejected takeoff, the CA takes control and deals with decisions inside the plane once stopped. The FO handles comms while the CA works with the cabin crew in the event of an evacuation.
@@wll1500 because the probabilities of having a dual engine failure is so remote that flying without the APU is permitted with some restrictions. Every big airliners have the APU inop listed in the MEL
I was part of the 911 response to this incident. FDNY spared no units... I'll never forget seeing that incredible amount of apparatus heading down the van wyck to the airport. There must've been at least 30 units assigned.
Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. Any report of a fire on a plane engine automatically generates an epic response. The potential for catastrophe and loss of life from a plane fire is too high to not use the kitchen sink approach. @@VASAviation
@@FPVsean Right, I'm aware of that I stated a start card with bleed air. It's when the pushback happens, take the cart out to the aircraft and start on the ramp instead of at the gate.
@@JSFGuy With an APU that's out of service, the start cart is almost always used at the gate, not after pushback. Standard industry operation. Experienced it myself, albeit in a 747.
Endeavor and AA Heavy were already queued for the runway, they can't just spin in place and go the other way. They would have to taxi down the part of the runway with possible debris on it, so they would still have to wait for the runway sweep.
@@VASAviation I was just thinking that for those somewhere at the back half of the queue, changing runways would have been a relatively simple possibility
Isn't an Alert 3 for a crash or expected crash (no gear down)? I thought Alert 2 was for major issues like fire, hydraulic failure, engine failure etc. Perhaps fire in relation to Alert 2 is for onboard fires only and Alert 3 is for outside/external fires.
it's not really an Alert 3 (aircraft has crashed or crash is imminent). It's an engine fire. But Alert 3 is closest to what it was. Alert 2 is any aircraft issue that may result in an abnormal or emergency landing
Stuff already on the ground tends to be a bit weird to categorize, especially when it's a fire. There's an example where it's just "respond to ... due to a fire"
Alert 1 is "aircraft in minor difficulty", Alert 2 is "aircraft in major difficulty", Alert 3 is "accident on the airport". FAA 7210.3, Chapter 2, Section 1, para 2-1-11 (d). ( www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/foa_html/chap2_section_1.html ). All incidents in progress on the field (as opposed to in the air) are Alert 3, no matter the severity.
I wonder what the flying public as a whole would think if they knew how many things go wrong daily with airliners or actions across the country. Only a fraction hits national or local news cycles.
Because 95% of it is not that bad and is negligible to people, only resulting in long delays and re-bookings to the passengers. Engine failures are more common than people think.
Know as a raw number or as a percentage?? As a percentage, it is small. This is not a big event in the industry. Emergency plans are all in place and were done.
I always encourage people to watch these videos. It's very, VERY encouraging to me to see the professionalism and the many checks and balances in situations like this, and rarely do you hear any panic or more than a moderate amount of stress in the voices. Just another day at the office for well trained professionals!
Shortly after this incident occured, TWO more emergencies were declared simultaneously. Video for those here -> ua-cam.com/video/zUHvfWxJSF4/v-deo.htmlsi=4iRRBEliXWsj3DrR
weird i wonder if there was FOD somewhere on the runway or taxiway and everybody sucked it up
@@confuseatronica no, they were passenger related
@@VASAviation oh no. Hope they are ok
Are there any injuries?
Busy day in NYC with these emergencies and two aircraft coming together at KLGA.
That 5:44 must have been the finest enunciated "Cleared for takeoff" given at JFK in a looong time.
Yes, I noted that too. ATC didn't want any confusion around that first aircraft getting out of there and starting to get the queue cleared.
I greatly appreciate when ATC makes the cleared for landing or cleared for takeoff statement crystal clear. I in turn always make my reply super clear as well. Those are two calls I especially don’t want to misunderstand.
Usually it's ''Ya claired fa take auhhf''
LOVE when the pilots help each other out. Invaluable in this case
The other pilots helped a lot considering the engines are not visible from the cockpit
Not helping out would be criminal. Who goes, 'oh, look, that plane is on fire' and NOT call it out. There are people onboard after all.
“The runway is all yours”
I love seeing how JFK controllers, famous for having zero patience, are instantly accommodating and helpful the second an emergency arises. Consummate professionals. Bravo.
Starting at 2:50 the tower states it "might" need to sweep the runway for debris. The Delta A330 pilot chimes in to all but force a sweep and cover his ass if his plane gets damaged. Safety first!
Yes, good call by that pilot. Too many emergencies and even crashes and lives lost caused by FOD from a previously damaged aircraft.
I was thinking that... Can other pilots request a runway sweep before they go down the same runway or taxiway that a (now emergency) aircraft went?
I'm not a pilot, but if I were I'd be tempted to directly ask in those situations before moving the plane. Only takes a couple of minutes to send a car out there to do a sweep. Seems like it should be standard procedure after any type of engine flames etc.
@@jayschafer1760 Pilots absolutely can request anything they want. ATC can then respond how they want...and then the pilot making the request can decide go/no-go if the answer isn't to their liking.
I know I was screamimg to do a sweep in my head when he directed the 1st jet turn onto the runway prior to doing one! Glad Delta spoke up.
All this, and the Jetblue pilot sounds like hes barely staying awake.
Scheduled departure was 1900. The pilot could just have a chill demeanor though.
Or like he's baked lol
Oh yessss!
He sounds like Hans Moleman lol
I was gonna say the same thing. I wonder what a normal day is like for that pilot. 😂😂
Jet Blue 355, casual: "Uh, you can send the crash...if we're on fire." "Does it still look like we're on fire?"
Not unlikely they fired a bottle of extinguisher into it before asking 😂
Props to that endeavor flight for the assist.
The JetBlue pilot sounds so laid-back , all in a day’s work.😃
Almost hesitant
@@davidmoser3535 Yes, almost sounds sleepy.
Sounds like a weirdo of some sort.
Maybe the weed?
@@trr4488 He sounds less like a qualified airline pilot and more like the new kid working McD's drive through.
Correction: 2:02 "The right engine is just glowing at the back, it does not look like it's on fire."
Makes much more sense to continue taxi. Thanks.
I didn't even notice that had been transcribed incorrectly because the "not" was so clear in the audio
VAS aviation really needs to work on their radio ear. Tons of transcription errors in every video
In addition to PAPD ARFF crews, an Alert 3 at either airport gets a second alarm response from the FDNY with numerous special units to assist. 13 engine companies (many bringing support vehicles), 4 trucks, 2 rescues, 2 squad companies, 11 command officers, 11 support units and vehicles, and a fireboat. That's like every FD in my entire county!
I like how ATC clearly enounciates the '3', since alert 2 is somewhat common at jfk
One of the calmest, clearest, supportive and coordinated take-off aborts I've watched in a long time.
Pilots were all quick to help each other and get that handled
Correction needed at 2:02 "Endeavor pilot says.... "it does NOT look like it is on fire".
I quite often listen to JFK tower/ground to help me sleep at night (I like the chatter and I live in the UK so it’s nice and busy at JFK whilst I’m nodding off). I woke up to this in the middle of the night but was too sleepy to retain anything other than that there was a serious-sounding emergency. Thanks for answering that question 😂
How do you listen to live Atc? Is there any app for that? Iam from india. I would love to hear Atc convo from my nearest airport.
I aim to be as chill in life as that JetBlue pilot
Great to see that Aviators are always looking out for each other when amongst themselves.
Nice to hear that Hans Moleman became a JetBlue pilot! lol
You beat me to it lol
just learned who Mr Moleman is. His name is Hans Maulwurf in German translated episodes.
"Your engine is on fire."
"Oh dear."
😂😂😂
Hans Moleman presents: Plane getting hit by football.
Great handling of the situation by ATC and all pilots involved
Thanks!
Thank you for the support!
That one pilot sounds like Eeyore lol.
“My engine is still on fire? Ok.”
I thought that too, but after listening to his voice and reading another comment, Hans Moleman from _The Simpsons_ is it.
As a HAM it is extremely satisfying to listen to this type of radio discipline.
I'm also a HAM, but the other pilots didn't always use their callsign, even though it may be easy to guess after all. (73 de pa4tw)
From listening to the Jetblue pilot talk, it's clear that the smoke and flames were caused by the big fat one he was smoking.
I agree, they should test him for drugs
My guy just hit a massive whip it prior to throttle up...
English isn't his first language so he's just speaking slowly and calmly as possible. Speaking in a panic in broken English wouldn't help the situation
Lmao😂
Jetblue took his chill pills today
1:58 @VASAviation The Endeavour says "The right engine is just glowing at the back, It does *NOT* look like it's on fire" - the caption says the opposite. This is why the JetBlue says they can taxi off.
It sounds like Jet Blue is manned by 1st officer Droopy and Capt. Wolf.
I absolutely love this comment. Thank you! XD
You guys are fast. 😂
Only correction would be Endeavor mentioning the the engine just glowing in the back. It does not look like it's on fire. But it looks like the comment section already got it.
I am always amazed how professional everyone is and how everyone knows exactly what and how they’re doing it. Like clockwork.
Clearing another aircraft to line up and wait on the same runway location where an engine possibly exploded does not earn a gold star.
Additionally, the comms were long with considerable unnecessary discussion.
"Professional" is not what I'd call it.
@@k1mgySo it wasn’t perfect, as any emergency situation rarely is. But they all certainly remained professional. And they did a pretty damned good job all around. Everyone was switched on and reacted appropriately.
It feels like the second pilot is in slow motion compared to everybody else there.
Idk why people are complaining that the pilot is so calm?! What do you want a pilot freaking out over something that is being handled calm and professionally?!?
I'm surprised the Endever pilot agreed to line up and wait. I would have thought he'd ask for a FOD walk before using the runway.
Car 99 "runway sweep" is a FOD procedure.
@@michaelflynn458 That was called by ATC. Initially the aircraft was cleared to line up and wait and the Endever pilot started to move until the clearance was canceled by ATC. I'm surprised the clearance wasn't rejected right away.
You won't find a clearer, more coordinated, more efficient emergency communications than the ones at JFK when something goes down. This was incredible work by all involved. Props to Endeavour and Delta for spotting the flames. Interesting that they said they had no APU and didn't want to shut down the other engine. I mean at that point, does it even matter? The plane wasn't going anywhere.
Seems like they average at least 3 a week. Lots of practice.
If you don't want to have to tow the thing all the way back to the gate
No APU and no engine also means, no aircon, no lights in the cabin, only emergency power in the avionics, etc.
They have a plane full of people. I'm not sure how long they can last with no air condition...
I believe if they shut down the engine with no APU, they will have no heat or ventilation in the cabin, and would either have to be towed in, or have to bring out ground equipment to restart the engine. That would make the situation far more complicated, so no sense doing that unless necessary.
@@realulliyou mean heat! It's cold up here 😁
JBU355 has to be the chillest individual on the planet. Sounds like nothing can rattle this dude.
All in all, a great job to everyone. I am not a pilot, but I am an amateur radio operator. I currently have 8 different radios that I am monitoring. I run a net one, sometimes twice a week. We all have our own cadences. Don't give garbage to the pilots or controllers. We all have our own cadence.
The JFK emergency crews are studs on the radio, perfect read-back and communication. I’ve never worked at an airport where field maintenance or emergency response weren’t completely tripping over the freq.
I recognize that CA, he was super cool when I'd talk to him on SFO ramp freq. Ahoy there amigo nice job
I realize that this is a great example of proper training....but Jetblue's pilot sounds like he took an herbal lunch or at least a couple of hits before take off lmao 😂 dude was not fazed at allll.
@2:05 correction: "The right engine is just glowing in the back; it does *not* look like it's on fire."
Great teamwork, as it should be!
Great video and great job in such a short amount of time. 👍
6:22 can somebody explain why they are unable to start their APU? is that unrelated or has it something to do with their engine failure?
aircraft can operate with no APU, and just get ground APU connected.
Most likely on MEL, meaning it was inoperative before they left the gate.
@@max-_-6352 Wow, had no idea. I'd assume having an APU is pretty important, especially if you were to loose both engines in flight (admitted very rare, but has happened?).
@@repatch43me too
@@repatch43If you lose both engines in flight without an APU, you use your ram air turbine to power the important things like hydraulics and avionics while you find the best spot you can glide to a landing at.
Great professionalism from everyone. Amazing.
Another great video! Thank you for your hard work!
Total professionals, all of them. 👌👍
Well handled by everyone.....very impressively calm and confident.
Dang Ricky Bobby you're on fire!
idk why everyone is roasting the pilot for the comms. sounds like he's doing his best to stay calm, analyze the situation and probably coordinating an evacuation between the flight attendants. Gotta love the professionalism at JFK
edit: he might be ESL, which would make sense
It's likely the First Officer on the comms
He sounds more like a very old airforce pilot more than ESL
Jet Blue woke up from his nap to an engine fire.
Excellent team work!
At 6:41 does the fire truck says "I see a little hot, no smoke no fire". It is not very clear but i think this is what he says
I thought he said "sir inspecting of the number 2 engine, its a little hot, no smoke, no fire." with several more errs thoughout.
Great job getting the airport reopened quickly!
Another great video thank you!
Thanks again!
"Jetblue is on fire" "the plane on the runway is on fire"
ATC: "what?"
excellent work by ATC
ATC on top of it. Excellent. Pilot on radio sounds stoned out of his mind.
English isn't his first language so he's just speaking slowly and calmly as possible. Speaking in a panic in broken English wouldn't help the situation
English isn't his first language so he's just speaking slowly and calmly as possible. Speaking in a panic in broken English wouldn't help the situation
@@tawogtrailers seems to me being able to speak the standard language of aviation clearly, quickly, and succinctly should be germane in the hiring process. Were I a passenger and this delivery came over the intercom, I would be alarmed.
@@gracelandone then you should never fly again based on that logic
Is it normal to allow a flight with a non functioning APU? Or is there another reason they reported 'no APU'?
Very common to dispatch an aircraft with APU inop
@@VASAviation That sounds like an accident waiting to happen. Fortunately for Sully, his APU was working.
@@1947davePlanes have FAA-approved lists of equipment that they are allowed to have inoperable and still fly. Sometimes those restrictions vary based on flight types, e.g., I doubt a plane without a working APU would be allowed to do an ETOPS or long over water flight.
@@jayschafer1760 Good point, but that restriction wouldn't have helped Sully and Skiles to achieve their miracle - the working APU made things one whole lot better for the pilots and may have saved the day.
Not at all. Sully was one among how many flights since A320 was built? It's statistics
"This plane is on fireeeeeee"
Alicia Keys
ATC was so good on this one. I have a small single engine and I fly in the NY area. They are the best. Always accomodating and professional.
Love those New York accents! And love your graphics, that was a big bonus.
Thank you
Can someone explain to me, why the emergency aircraft had no APU available? Why couldn't they just start the APU?
Inoperative
What’s wrong with the 355 pilot??? Drunk?? Old?? Or just don’t realice he is on fire?? Droopy became a pilot??? Who knows……
Kennedy Ground setting the standard in ground ops
The Jetblue pilot sounded like Jeff Lebowski aka "The Dude"
"JetBlue is on fire."
"Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
”I’m sorry, I wasn’t listening.”
Is it a risk going back to the gate rather than offloading away from the buildings? Rescue didn't see any problems but could there be a fuel leak or other risk that's not yet large enough for them to see?
Jetblue sounded like: "Another engine failure? Just another day with Jetblue."
27 gusting 37, 40* off center. Not a day for amateurs to fly but nbd for airline pilots.
aaaahhhhhh ... the results of true professionals collaborating...
God at the end there I thought the pilot asked if he can taxi back for take off lmao - I was like noooooo fuck off 😹 but he meant to the gate
This a321 and the max 9 also are making flight to ontario KONT, something wrong about this destionation 👀
This video is a good example for those aviation enthusiast that want to become pilots
just heard how tired that Jetblue pilot sounds and is incredible because that was his first leg coming out of base.
If the engine is on fire and clearly it was. Why isn't JB powering down where there at? When the controller made the HB move from its location. The engine began to spark up again once they started moving therefore sending more debris onto the runway and further damaging the engine and possibly catching on fire a 2nd time. I get the whole thing of keeping the runway open. But, it sounds that more debris landed on the runway when they asked it move again.
JetBlue pilot, sounding completely unaffected. Passengers on the right side of the plane? Hysterical screaming.
How the hell has all of this happened and it’s only been 16 days into 2024
so i take it being a low cost airline, you get the lower cost plane with less things to maintain, so you go no apu? is this normal?
Given wth what happened in Japan. When you see a plane burn its goes up fast.
CORRECTION: At 2:04 he says "it does NOT look like it's on fire."
AND you want to be in the air to find out for sure!
Love the slooooow talk of the 1st officer. Keep calm. Heheh
How do you know where he was sitting?
I love how everyone assumes the slow talking guy is the First Officer. It's quite funny to me XD
@@VASAviationfor my company, after a reject. The CA handles the emergency and FO does the radio comms.
@@JustinJackson11 Is your company JBU? That'd solve the questions. If it is not, I stick to what I have learned from reading several airline SOPs which say that Captain has control and communications and FO fights the problems with the QRH or any other checklist on hand.
@@VASAviation Not yet, until the judge approves the pending merger. We operate very similarly and for a rejected takeoff, the CA takes control and deals with decisions inside the plane once stopped. The FO handles comms while the CA works with the cabin crew in the event of an evacuation.
Two recent incidents involving ONT as destination.
"Does it still look like we are on fire?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wonder if this was after the aircraft with a fuel leak took off.
Seems like having no functional APU would be a big liability in a dual engine failure scenario. Cant believe they're allowed to operate without one
It's really common to do that.
@@VASAviation .... Like why?
@@wll1500 because the probabilities of having a dual engine failure is so remote that flying without the APU is permitted with some restrictions. Every big airliners have the APU inop listed in the MEL
@@VASAviation Cactus 1549. I thought we learned our lesson.
One of how many flights in 50 years? Grounding an aircraft for a broken APU? Definitely not
No APU on an A321???
Rescue 1 is most definitely a New Yorker thru and thru!
Was that JetBlue pilot Tech Sergeant Chen?
Did the passengers leave the aircraft before reaching the gate? Or, did everyone just stay aboard.
Everybody stayed onboard
I was part of the 911 response to this incident. FDNY spared no units... I'll never forget seeing that incredible amount of apparatus heading down the van wyck to the airport. There must've been at least 30 units assigned.
Why so many units for a "normal" engine fire inside the airport property? Was it reported any other way?
Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. Any report of a fire on a plane engine automatically generates an epic response. The potential for catastrophe and loss of life from a plane fire is too high to not use the kitchen sink approach. @@VASAviation
If they had no APU functional, how did they start the engines? (Start cart with bleed air)That's a hell of a thing to be out of.
Yeah i would like to find out how that works
APU Inop is perfectly normal (with some restrictions listed in the FCOM) and you can source from external bleed to power up.
Just look up an engine airstart for all your needs on how to start engines with an APU inop. Pretty simple procedure
@@FPVsean Right, I'm aware of that I stated a start card with bleed air. It's when the pushback happens, take the cart out to the aircraft and start on the ramp instead of at the gate.
@@JSFGuy With an APU that's out of service, the start cart is almost always used at the gate, not after pushback. Standard industry operation. Experienced it myself, albeit in a 747.
yo, no APU as in INOP?
why do they not change runway being used?
I mean, the field has plenty of parallel runways of great length
Endeavor and AA Heavy were already queued for the runway, they can't just spin in place and go the other way. They would have to taxi down the part of the runway with possible debris on it, so they would still have to wait for the runway sweep.
There were like 25 airplanes queued for that runway. Runways 22 were not being used and 31R was dedicated for landings
@@VASAviation I was just thinking that for those somewhere at the back half of the queue, changing runways would have been a relatively simple possibility
Teamwork 🎉
Isn't an Alert 3 for a crash or expected crash (no gear down)? I thought Alert 2 was for major issues like fire, hydraulic failure, engine failure etc. Perhaps fire in relation to Alert 2 is for onboard fires only and Alert 3 is for outside/external fires.
it's not really an Alert 3 (aircraft has crashed or crash is imminent). It's an engine fire. But Alert 3 is closest to what it was.
Alert 2 is any aircraft issue that may result in an abnormal or emergency landing
Stuff already on the ground tends to be a bit weird to categorize, especially when it's a fire. There's an example where it's just "respond to ... due to a fire"
Alert 1 is "aircraft in minor difficulty", Alert 2 is "aircraft in major difficulty", Alert 3 is "accident on the airport". FAA 7210.3, Chapter 2, Section 1, para 2-1-11 (d). ( www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/foa_html/chap2_section_1.html ). All incidents in progress on the field (as opposed to in the air) are Alert 3, no matter the severity.
@@Tevildo That also clarifies why ATC often gives the additional info (break fire, fluids, etc) instead of an alert 3, ty
I don't know if it was the captain or second officer but one of them sounded like a character from a 50's cartoon 😅😂🤣😵💫
Is that guy (JBU) on ludes? Gnarly, dude!
I think that JetBlue pilot got a bag of those special gummies I keep seeing advertised on UA-cam.
Jetblue on fire
Your controller is terrified
Jetblue on fire
No APU? So they use an external APU while on ground?
External air cart for starting the first engine. Then a crossbleed start to start the other.
This is why I started a petition for rear view mirrors in all aircraft.
JetBlue talking so slowly i literally checked I hadn't accidentally turned down my playback speed.
I wonder what the flying public as a whole would think if they knew how many things go wrong daily with airliners or actions across the country. Only a fraction hits national or local news cycles.
Because 95% of it is not that bad and is negligible to people, only resulting in long delays and re-bookings to the passengers. Engine failures are more common than people think.
Know as a raw number or as a percentage?? As a percentage, it is small. This is not a big event in the industry. Emergency plans are all in place and were done.
I always encourage people to watch these videos. It's very, VERY encouraging to me to see the professionalism and the many checks and balances in situations like this, and rarely do you hear any panic or more than a moderate amount of stress in the voices. Just another day at the office for well trained professionals!
The pilot sound to be either totally out of it or laid back to the point of being horizontal. Assuming the latter - nice job!