Victoria Arduino Prima One | Crew Review
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Finally! I've been waiting for this review since they released the sneak peek video!!
Been waiting for this… thanks.
I see, is a hate or love scenario‼️ ...nothing in between. For me is pure love ❤️ getting mine next week.
My dream espresso machine
Nicely done. Would love to see a crew comparison to the Rocket R Nine One.
The empty tank icon is lit, because the unit is turned on just a little too soon. (Probably bypassing the tank sensor check)
Have to wait a moment till only the middle button is lit then press and hold to turn it on (then the tank icon will go away)
The build quality is very good, more on the excellent side. I received my unit 06/15, it was a gift from my mother. She knows I love coffee and spent way too much money, but I am a very happy camper. Just so you know, she is not wealthy monetarily. This machine is well worth the money if it is in your price range.
How does your app not show preinfusion settings?
That “I’m not great with celsius, I’m sorry.” cracks me up 😂
What is the minimum and maximum brew temperature you can set on the app?
Won't the heat exchange cause the brew water to be too hot especially if the brew temperature chosen is less than the temperature coming from the heat exchange in the steam boiler and when increasing the steam pressure?
Can you set prewetting / preinfusion setting here?
Great video, I don't have the Easycream option, the app is a little buggy though, maybe I'll try to do an app video.
Does this have pressure profiling?
Any plans to do the Casadio Undici?
Question, I don’t have my machine plumbed in to the water supply. What kind of water should I use?
Wich knockbox is that ? Regards Form Germany
How do you empty the boiler?
no flow profiling?
Love this machine, that pump sounds so cool, almost a whistle. What grinders would you suggest to pair with this for light commercial use (a coffee cart)? I’ve heard the atom heats up grounds if used too much?
Yes it does. Just like every other grinder except the Mythos. But with the atom 75 it's not tooo bad. I would guess a shot per minute would be fine.
I am having my machine shipped and will arrive in the next 2 months. I will use atom 75 and zenith HS as i will grind two types of coffee blend in my shop.
Atom is fast, double shot in around 5-7secs depending on the beans. Consistency is good within 0.1g each time. In a commercial cart setting, its probably one of the best, small footprint, fast grind, easy to adjust. Anything that has a high rpm would generate heat, unless you go 98mm burr grinders.
I don’t use it commercially but an old Mazzer Major is working well for me. 83mm burrs don’t get too hot. But if you can afford a Mythos- go for it.
How do you connect to the app? Do you have to connect your phone to a wifi router built into the machine? Or does it use something sensible like bluetooth or a connection to the store's wifi? How granular are security permissions for the various settings? You might want someone to be able to see the brew pressure, but not be able to screw with the recipes, for example.
Bluetooth directly
How would the prima perform steaming for lots of milk based drinks at say a pop up or mobile event?
Wouldn't have any problems. The steam pressure remains pretty constant.
I’m loving this machine but can’t wait to see and comparison with linia mini or even GS3
Linea is not the same class of machine since it has no volumetric dosing. But yes comparison to GS3 would be nice
Also I can’t believe he didn’t talk about what looks like very nice programmable preinfusion/wetting in the app. Doesn’t exist for the LM. Is in the gs3. Also ?timer
Great video. Would love Mark to do an internal review of this machine. Especially talking about the "Neo" technology.
Either thermoblock or thermo coil or take of same. Surprising how the manufacturer did not further explain or use an animation to show this touted technology. Downside is an additional component that could fail.
It looks like you cannot descale the machine???!! Only back flush
Where you able to get the low tank light off? If so what you did?
They really could have done better than to use chrome-plated plastic switches for steam/water at this price point 🤷♂️
I thought it was plastic/paint covered, it sure felt like it.
I wouldn’t buy it just for this very reason - the touch points on a machine are part of what gives you joy in using it. Chrome coated plastic is just made in China depressing
aluminium i think, but still look and fell plasticky @@ystebadvonschlegel3295
How does this compare with the Faemina which is similar?
The Faemina has less features, the app isn't as feature rich either. Would love to hear if VA fixed all the e1 issues. I keep hearing its still meh.
Am I missing details.. is this machine HX or Dual Boiler?
It has dual boiler, so it heats up in 5 mins or so, it has 2 litres of steam/hot water boiler and 140ml brew boiler
Hey could you please tell how much grams of coffee to take for perfect shot of espresso plus what should ne the ideal waterr temperature for brewing please thank you would really appreciate the help
Hi there, the ideal double shot ranges from as low as 16grams to as high as 19grams from what I've seen, generally 17grams-18grams is average. And all coffee beans are different, so the water temperature would vary I suspect. Hope this helps 😊
The one comment about the taste is "Pretty Good" @23:23. I know your going to do a more in depth review once you have used it for a while. Right?
Nice looking unit ... i have the Simonelli oscar 2 and like this look better... i see your coffee has crema the entire push is that the coffee type or the unit doing that?
freshness of coffee dictates crema
@@Jadamson321 - not true
@@worldview2134 Crema is just co2 being released...
Overall nice review. Thanks for detailed as possible info given in a short time space. Useful from various perspectives, like if one is to consider this or a similar from another brand, or even if you are looking to just learn about different products on the market...etc. (missed to show us how regular steamer equipment looks like, nor did we see how the add one one is used manually since most of that process we listened while looking at Marc's back)
However...to add
Poorly executed on set production. At times we only hear the host but see nothing other than his back or side yet again blocking the subject matter. We never see anything from at least another angle so we can see some of those movements during the making a drink process for example or making a zoomed shot when showing the 3 button on head controllers or top of the machine, or how nice is or is not crema in the espresso based drink, ...etc. From that perspective video is foobar and like many unprofessional ones, which should be a video what most of us expected to see out of this shop.
I just got the Rocket Giotto from you guys. This is more than a little out of my price range. The Giotto does everything I need though. =)
Crem One Profiler vs Prima vs Linea Mini
first Prima, second LM, third Crem One Profiler
Hi, I bought Eagle One Prima recently in Australia but dose setting does not work as described. For example, I set 40, then the water volume is supposed to be always 40ml in the cup but the variable is more than 10ml and never get 40ml. I accepted it if the variation is plus/minus 2ml. This means you never get a consistent espresso extraction. Tested quite a lot times but the result is always the same. I reported this is a problem and showed that result by taking videos to the manufacturer here but Victoria Arduino Australia just said "it is actually operating quite good." without any technical reasoning. What? What's the dose setting is for then? Spent more than a month to hear more reasoning but nothing had been added. Tried to get professional comments from distributor/importer here but no one gave me any comments on that. Weird. It would be great if you could run some test on dose setting and show how it works. I'd love to share the test video if you want.
Hi Five. I'm going to try and do a video on it later. Your question about 40ml in cup, its not really volumetric dosing in cup. If you try it with an empty portafilter, you will get 40ml everytime. Once you put coffee in, it would depend on density, how it absorbs the water etc. There isn't any machine capable of volumetric dosing, gravimetric yes, that would be the Decent with a bluetooth scale, but 40g of espresso is very different to 40ml of espresso.
@@BosHK Thanks for your feedback. Yes. volume and weight are different physical unit each other: 40g of espresso is very different to 40ml of espresso. However, as you pointed out, If you try it with an empty portafilter, you will get 40ml everytime and the weight of 40ml water will be 40g because 1 milliliter (ml) of water weighs 1 gram (g). I always get the close to 40g of water when water temperature in brew boiler is cold. However, when the water in brew boiler is hot, I never get close to 40g of water. In another test, I set 55 dose setting on button 1C. Here's what I got: 58g, 45g, 50g, 56g, 55g, 54g, 54g, 54g. Is it an engineering design mistake on the decision of 150ml ~ 200ml sized brew boiler? The first three trials did not give close to 55g but it started giving me the number that I set. After the first three button presses, the most of hot water in brew boiler is used up making the overall temp of water in brew boiler cold. The manufacturer is going to refund the money in full. But I don't hear any technical explanations on this function at all. I am very curious what outcome will be in another machine.
Great looking machine and I have no doubt as to its quality. However, for such an expensive machine, I'm wondering why they left so many deal breakers in their design. For example, why on earth would you place the power switch under and at the back? And no mention of an automated on/off function?! For the price of a portafilter, they could have added a lot more functional touch screen and interface, flow profiling, and do away with the need for the app. Surprisingly, the Decent appears to be a lot more user friendly and functional.
You can put the machine into and out of standby mode using the buttons on the group head. Because of this, the power switch isn’t something that necessarily needs to be used very often. As of right now, there is no way to schedule the machine to turn on and off (but it could easily be done in firmware later). I personally prefer using my phone to set it up rather than to have a screen, especially one that looks like a gaudy afterthought like on the decent. Many of the features people are complaining about it not having without Bluetooth are present, you just need to read the manual.
I never use the on off switch. I have it on a timer for now so it goes into standby in the morning. You can really leave it on 24/7 if you want. And with the upcoming firmware and app update it will soon have on off schedules. So the switch is not a deal breaker at all. If you have a phone you have a touchscreen. You could even dedicate an old phone or iPad to it if you really wanted. But honestly I hate the aesthetic of a tablet sitting on the cup warmer area. It’s not trying to be a Decent, though I would love if they add a gravimetric option with something like a Lunar scale.
This is 7300 bucks CDN and except for the steam wand I cannot imagine why I'd buy it.
You can almost get a commercial unit for that price
@@kimmurphy3713 it is a commercial unit? And one of the most consistent ones!
@@sebastianbjoernestad One grouphead is for quite a small cafe and a cafe is not going to spend time with the app 0utside of initial setup.
@@Uncompletedrecall that's the point? You can easily setup the machine the way it should be and then just leave it be! It makes the design simpler without compromising on features ;)
@@sebastianbjoernestad 👆this. Get it set up and then away you go. Tweak settings when necessary.
Can you say that Prima compering to cars is Aston Martin?
no, sadly comparing coffee machines to cars has been banned in early 2020
It would be like a Daewoo
Prima One has only 1.5 Litre in steam boiler capacity . I bet the Rockets , Profitec and La Marzocco able to churn out much better , dryer steam for latte art .
Also considering pulling hot water continuously from this 1.5l steam boiler could be difficult to cope room, imagine in a small cafe set up as what VA advertises .
Good design initiative for energy conservation but in my opinion defeat the purpose used for small cafe , high end home espresso machine . Many of this users in this segments requires good steam power .
LM GS3 AV way to go .
I am going to use this machine at my cafe. Solve the hot water problem with stagg EKG kettle, which will make better americano because you can set the temp and hold it
I'ts a verry nice video for the espresso. Unfortunately there are also people who drinks other hot drinks like tea. Can i use is to replace my hotwater boiler ? Can i continous use the hot water tap to make cups of tea when the machine is plumped ?
You could use it for tea, but it’s not ideal. A kettle will always be a better option. Or something like a Zojirushi hot water unit. There isn’t any home espresso machine that I can think of that would be great for tea.
Would love to see a comparison with this and the Sanremo You
Decent looking machine but SO over-engineered. Can’t even imagine the number of things that will go worn with something like this. Prefer the simplicity of the earlier Linea Minis.
Buy a La San Marco
Ecm synchronika is better. Looks better.
Apples and oranges. E61 is old tech. All chrome mechanical look is a matter of preference, but the Prima is stunning and different than all the Rocket, ECM, etc E-61 units. My last machine was an ECM, which I still currently have. It was nice, but you can’t really compare the two.
@@Pdubbcooking ya you can
Steam Wand & app nonsense is a deal killer.
That easy wand thing isn't standard, must be an optional thing. And you can totally use the machine without the app.
@@proctermorris6657 but then you lose features. Hard pass.
You definitely don’t need the Easy Cream wand. This thing steams like a champ. The app isn’t really any different then a separate screen on a Rocket or Decent except it’s Bluetooth.
yeah, I'm not sure about having an app either. My old Fiorenzato Bricoletta is still working great after 11 years. Will an app be supported that long? Maybe it doesn't matter as you can always keep an old phone around to keep it all working if development stops. Hard to know.
Great information. Bad camera direction. Please stop with this setup... he is blocking the machine-product you are trying to review most of the video. Figure out your camera angles. Makes me not want to watch your reviews.
I bought one of these they are terrible
can you specify what is terrible in your experience
Right, if you're going to post a comment like that, it's pretty useless without at least some context or details.
"I have app set to fahrenheight"
Unsubscribed!! Jk
"high-end home machine" - $6k....what "home" do you live in?
6k . Meh
Way over priced and pathetic it doesn’t have a brew manometer. Buy a Rocket Mozzafiato instead!
Haha, what? Those machines are on two completely different levels? This is a commercial machine, not a home unit...
My machine will be here Tuesday. Pricing is relative. I think it's an absolutely beautiful machine. If it makes coffee half as good as it looks, I will be a very happy camper.
LOL, it’s missing a manual gauge so buy an E-61 heat exchange machine instead? Why even do that? Just get a Nespresso and call it good.