Hit the nail on the head man. I own the evil twin pt (tele style)… and it’s an absolute monster of a guitar. From the open pore finish on the backside… down to the body binding and everything in between… it’s bread and butter is downtuned chugging. Mine personally stays in drop C. Absolute weapon, and it being my first proper schecter…( I had a Damien 7 with the active schecter pickups and it just didn’t hold my interest)… I am hooked for sure. First guitar with Fishmans as well… took some time to transition from EMG to them, but once I learned my playing needed some tightening up lol… I absolutely love them now. A little shrill at first but proper tweaking fixed that. Never personally tried an apocalypse model so my opinion is biased for sure… but from the evil twin side of the fence… it remains my ride or die every day. From shimmering cleans… to the most brutal of chugs… there’s not much this beast can’t handle
Both are beautiful guitars and honestly sound amazing. I think Schecter pickups are very underrated, some of my favorite sounding pickups. I think neither sounded better or worse, both kick out an amazing sound. Different tools with different sounds, no better just different IMHO.
Legit the schecter brand pickups are way better than those 81 85 emgs can't stand those pickups just super muddy plus they're active and take a battery to sound that shitty :b the reaper has pretty nice schecter pickups too
Sweet vid. Subscribed. I'm typically an Ibanez/Gibson guy with no previous experience with Schecter guitars. I got my hands on a Schecter CI SLS Elite and bought it immediately. It is by far one of the nicest playing guitars I've ever played. Many recommends.
I own two Schecters with the Apocalypse pickup. One is actually the red reign prototype and the other is JLV prototype. The red reign has a swamp ash body which makes the tone a lot brighter while the JLV is mahogany and has a smoother low end. The secret with the Apocalypse pickup is to turn the gain up on your amp to where it's starting to break up. These pickups shine with lower gain settings and aggressive playing. Too much gain they will get kinda fizzy. I also personally prefer my red reign for live and studio reasons considering is has a snappy bright sound like that of a bolt on where it just cuts through. Great review!!
@ Tyler I know this is an old post I just got the Apocalypse and must admit it's a beauty but maybe it's me and I have to work with it but it does sound a little fizzy/high gained to my ear, I want to try your suggestion and see if I can get a better smoother sounding tone
Stay Metal Ray I cant blame you, those Fishman Fluence pickups are on my radar, as well. I need a guitar that has those in it. LOL By the way, are you on Facebook?
I’m really glad I came across this video, because I just got an Apocalypse C-1 FR S and immediately noticed how chunky the tone is for rhythm. At first I thought it was my amp settings, but quickly realized that the pickups are just extremely well-rounded. You get this thick, full tone with lots of low-end (which somehow doesn’t distort or break), and then when playing lead it feels and sounds crisp and the highs don’t feel drowned out like with some other pickups I’ve used. Also, I 100% agree about the neck profile. I own a Hellraiser Hybrid C-1 with that “Ultra Thin” C neck and I quickly grew to dislike it. As soon as I felt the neck on the Apocalypse I knew I was gonna have a much better time playing it over the Hybrid.
Great video brother. I found myself deciding between the V1 Apocalypse Red Reign and the SLS Evil Twin V1. Like the rest of the world I ran to UA-cam hoping someone compared the 2 and low and behold, here I am. I know these aren’t Vs but my concern was the difference with the pickups. I’m still undecided. The Fishmans sound fantastic, but that RED REIGN paint is gorgeous. I’m leaning more towards the Apocalypse. I can always change the pickups for cheaper than it would cost to repaint the evil twin. Thanks for demoing these 2. Stay safe and stay healthy man.
Right off the bat the Black Guitar has more of a brigher attack sound while chugging while the Red has a lower bass chug. They both sound awesome regardless.
I have the apocalypse c1 fr s and I absolutely love it. I have it going into a horizon devices precision drive into a randall diavlo Rd 20 head with matching v30 loaded randall 1x12 cab and its perfect honestly
I had a sls c-7 with the same woods and bridge pickup. It was crazy trebley as much as I loved the feel and craftsmanship I didnt like how it sounded .
Question for you bro....loved the comparison first off. I had a Schecter Keith Merrow model (original one)....would that be the same neck as the Apocalypse? Reason I'm asking is because I remember it being a bit "thick" in my hand, which would fatigue after an hour long set. Would the Evil Twin neck be better suited to my needs? (Bear in mind I have a PRS Tremonti with a wide/thin neck, and a Petrucci Majesty with a fairly thin neck as well). Thanks!
How's the build quality on the Evil Twin (fretwork, level, fret ends, playability)? Want to make sure it's not just specced well, but also built well, as they're not cheap!
I just got my see thru metal gray Apocalypse with sustaniac and floyd today. My first Schector guitar, and I have a shit ton of guitars from old Charvels, ESP, EVH, Gibson, etc. I've briefly played a few Schector guitars in the past, but not like this Apocalypse. Shit. I love this guitar. The sustainiac is marvelous. I've done bag pipe sounds, voices, all kinds of tricks. Unbelievable guitar for the money, and I own some crazy expensive guitars. Now to your video. For chug rhythm the black twin has that modern metal down pat, but..I think if you had delved into the features and played some lead, the Apocalypse would have the advantage.
They are both amazing. I have the Evil Twin and my daughter has the C1 SLS Elite in the gold hombre finish. I have to admit that I love that red finish, and I would have bought mine in that colour if it were available. My one pet peeve with Schecter is their lack of range in finishes for most models. They just came out with that Silver Mountain C8 multiscale, and I hate the finish. If they had it in Red Reign I would buy it. Aesthetics matter to musicians.
@@xanderraymondcharles I would like some advice on software and gear, if you would be so kind. My ten year old daughter and I are new to guitar, and we both have a Schecter C1 SLS elites, I have the evil Twin, and she has that beautiful golden hombre finish like the one you ended up selling. I have a Focusrite Scarlett 6i6, a Boss Katana 100w 2X12 (not the new MKII that they released the day after I bought mine, wankers), and a Zoom G3Xn effects unit. We also have a couple of pairs of Sennheiser HD 280 Pro Headphones. So I need some input on software and a vocal microphone. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.I would love to hear the thoughts and advice of your subscribers as well. I plan to buy an acoustic electric, and I am leaning toward a Taylor 224CE-K Koa Deluxe Grand Auditorium. I love your channel , and I am subscribed.
I think it would have been more useful to compare an Apocalypse with a hardtail bridge and two Apocalypse pickups to the Evil Twin. The routing for the Floyd Rose, and the Floyd, itself, affect the tone as does the lack of a neck pickup. That sustaniac is only adding energy to the strings, not picking up anything, making this one in the demo a bridge pick-up only guitar. I have one of the hardtail 2 pick-up Apocalypses and those pickups sound more like the Fishmans when the gain is turned down a little more than you might normally set it. There is also a sweet spot that you really have to dial in with the pick-up height adjustment. With these pickups, like the gain, less is more on height adjustment too. The problem with mine is that the bridge pickup screw slowly backs itself out until the pup mutes the high e string. That's an easy enough fix, but I haven't been able to stop playing it long enough to do it.
Just ordered one of the Evil Twin hard tail guitars. I just LOVE the schecters. Is it just me or does the necks on the Evil twin (Ultra Thin C) feel like a good Ibanez neck? Also, just wodndering, if i wanted to replace the Fishmans in it, could i basically do with most other kinds of ACTIVE pickups? I know this is not the "help line" lol i just figured with all the guitar people, someone might have an answer that even a mouth breather like might be able to understand :)
While some people may note the apoc sounds fuller, it's worth noting if you pull the bridge knob out you'll get a second voicing that will sound way wider. In the case if the bridge pup it won't get thinner/single coil like. It gets "wider" and thumps a little harder. The neck pup cleans up and puts out a thinner sound. But the evil twin bridge is full on gnarly with both voices
Interesting, I thought the Fishman’s would have won for me. As sick and defined as they were they were a bit thinner in comparison for me. However having those two guitars would be perfect from a mix point if you were quad tracking. The apocalypse would bring the mid and low end thump as where the evil twin would provide the defined top end and give it some teeth. Shame you gotta get the guitar back to Tim (though I’m sure he misses it), would have been cool to see a mix video where you mix live in real time some pre recorded quad tracked DI’s for a song. DI’s tracked using these two guitars. Great work as always Ray and once again Tim is the man 👍
Love em both Ray. How about an Evil Apocalypse C-1 Twin w/1 Fishman/1 Apocalypse-V1 pickup combo. The Red Reign paint with the matte finish. Now we have our new guitar the 'Frankenschecter'. We're rich!
Definitely a difference. Especially in the cleaner tones. I'm going with the Evil Twin. I've been thinking about getting my first Schecter. I'm leaning towards an Evil Twin or Solo II Evil Twin.
I almost bought an evil twin when you first showed it but I got a Dean Dime o flame instead. I don't regret that choice but I think I know that I will get an evil twin for sure now. Thanks for this shootout Ray! Thanks Tim for the hookup!!
thanks! i'm debating on an e-1, and can't decide between these two. looks is slightly towards the rusty apoc, but, the pickups on the evil one....damnit. I never thought about the neck profile though, thanks for that.
I really enjoyed playing an Apocalypse really loud in a room at GC. DSL100. Orange 2x12. drop C instant Hatebreed. . I beat the hell out of that guitar. That Apocalypse pickup is as fun as and sounds equal to my Black Winter. I would love to put one in my ol' Bronze Warlock hotrod.
I'm a left handed player and I recently bought a new Schecter Omen 6 Diamond Series super sweet guitar for the price I could afford it my next guitar will be the Schecter Hellraiser or maybe the evil twin will see love your videos bro learned a lot thank you
Please explain the function of the intensity knob for the sustainiac system on the apocalypse. Is that feature worth it? If not I'll probably go with the evil twin frs even though it's only two knobs (volume/tone)
Cool! That was the last little tidbit holding me back from hitting order. I was even eyeballing the bright green sun valley super shredder and the regular apocalypse frs for a while but I kept going back to the evil twin frs mainly for the pickups. Thanks man! I appreciate it.
I would go for the Evil Twin on the sound, but on the looks, and features, the Apocalypse Wins (I love the idea of a sustainiac) That is why that if you EVER get your hand on a Hellraiser with Sustainiac, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts.
I think you have to do some adjustment on the amp when playing the Apocalypse , the Evil Twin sounded much tighter with that amp setup ,I bet you can make that Apocalypse sound tighter though
The Fluence are just the best. Sound of pickups is subjective, but as soon as it comes to palm mutes and in the band or mix, it’s game over. It’s articulated, has definition and cuts through a mix almost like there isn’t anything beside the guitar at all. Sure for some the Fluence modern don’t have the balls, but think about it: You offer EVERY OTHER band member to add something with „balls“ for example the bass. Also it will make the mix sound better. So in the end there’s nothing missing. You can add the „balls“ or „richness“ by pedals or the EQ on your amp. This video compares two guitars and it’s a fantastic comparison. It be honest the apocalypse sound a bit better on the high strings on a clean tone, but whoever owns one of those guitars will play that maybe 0,3% of the time. Nice video Ray. I would like to send you my Hellraiser, but i changed the pups to Fishman Abasi and living in Germany the shipping x 2 would probably be half of the price of getting one on Craigslist. Ah well.
And you’re so right. That’s why I don’t ever do clean demos because nobody cares about cleans. In my opinions all cleans sound the same minus say a strat
Stay Metal Ray yeah man. I mean it’s nice to know, but in the end this is a metal channel and clean here and there are cool, but is there any guitar that doesn’t can do cleans well? On Amps it’s a total different thing, because having a great clean channel means being able to make every pedal sound good in front. But guitar... so yeah, you’re absolutely right in my opinion. Clean demos would make way more sense if the guitar got a piezo pickup built in, but beside that: Metal channel - metal reviews. Keep rocking my dude! :)
I think im going with the appocalypse, been struggling with it though. Wierd that i can't hear your kneck slides at all on the twin and its crazy noticeable on the apocalypse
I can’t decide which one I like better. I loved the cut of the Fishman’s but also loved the warmth of the Apocalypse. Not sure if it was the settings or what, but the Apocalypse sounds muddy but the Fishman’s sounded thin. 🤔 leaving it up to the other specs and the looks, I’d go with the Apocalypse overall.
What do you think of the hellraiser fr s with the emg 81 89 set up? Really love the red reign, but not the apocalypse pick ups. Wish the red reign came with Fishman pick ups like evil twin, but don't want ultra thin neck as I wear 2x gloves...
I bought the twin today & yes the red does look more inviting they both sound mean & ready to shred the knar , it actually made the video sound very sick with each having their unique sound like guitar players were waiting there turn to get it...... anyways great video my dude 👍
Loved the video, I was literally trying to decide between these two for my new guitar- was amazed when I ran across this youtube with a head to head comp...was leaning evil twin but this put it over the top for me...... just ordered one. Also loved the tone, you said it was the EVH 5150 3 EL34 50w head. What else was in there? Pedals? Cab?
Cool video. Do you know if the direct mounted pickups on the Eil Twin is fixed with woodscrews or regular pickups screws into a threaded bushing that is drilled into the wood?
Hello Ray , needing your advice . I found a Schecter evil twin c-1 sls on e bay for $935 being sold as a second or B stock . Contacted seller and they are regular buyers from Schecter . They are saying there is nothing wrong with the guitar and only has some minor scratches . In your experience does this sound legit and is this a good price to pay ? Thanks in advance for your help .
This may sound ludicrous but I don’t think a thin neck is always the best option for shred, especially for someone with larger hands I find I have less control on a super skinny neck and yes obviously it’s just preference but I think a neck can certainly be too thin.
How is the weight distribution on Apocalypse? I really love the look and sound of the Apocalypse but I've lower back issues, I need my guitar to be as light as possible.
I have an apocalypse frs And the first thing I noticed after drooling over it for 10 minutes was the weight. It’s pretty heavy, a bit more pronounced towards the neck. Then again I’m a fat guy so it’s not how heavy it is it’s how you use it😀
thanks for this video. i wish they had the fishman in the bridge of the apoc rather than the passive pup. was wondering what a EMG 81X might sound like in the apoc.
Personally I think there's barely a sound difference and the fishmans take a battery however fine details are a little hard to hear and I suppose the sustainiac requires a battery too but those apocalypse pickups are some of the very best passive pickups
You are 100% correct you nail it I bought the Apocalypse Diamond Series and just had it for a view days with the Apocalypse my hands don't cramp up as much I love the red color but you are right about the sound I notice it wow that Evil Twin it sounds so clean enjoy the video.
I seem to have just acquired a blend of these two guitars. I'll have it in hand by the end of next week. The C-1 FR-S SLS Evil Twin has the 1500 Floyd, the Sustainiac with the Fishman Fluence at the bridge. Thanks man...! Great video... it has me jonesin even more to get it in my hands.
I went the other way and got an Apocalypse with a hardtail bridge and bridge and neck pickups instead of one bridge pick-up with a sustainiac. I love it. Best playing neck I've ever had in my hands.
both are great guitars!!! have a question Ray. I am considering buying the evil twin c7 is there any neck dive on your c 1 evil twin and any issues with the guitar itself? thanks
Im hoping someone could help me. Im torn between these 2 guitars. The stuff my and my buds play would be more heavy classic rock and 90's grunge. But the stuff we come up with is more on the heavier side (riff based). I absolutely love the sound of that evil twin but I have this impression it's very specific in its sound where as the apocalypse has a bit more versatility?? Hoping someone could clarify. Love your channel thanks for your dedication.
Honestly, if you're looking for more of a filet butt robust sound to go with the heavier riffs, the apocalypse is where you're gonna wanna be. It has more of a "dime" sound to it. I've watched quite a few review vids on it and it also has pretty good high end tones to it as well. Especially with the sustainiac kicked on. I've decided to get the red reign myself, just waiting to get the money saved up. Lol. But as I said, if you're riffs are on the heavier side, you're gonna want the chunkier sound of the apocalypse.
@@chantzrocks101 Hey thanks so much for the reply. I actually ended up going with the Sls elite (just came in a few days ago) after some solid research too between active and passive pickups, but was so torn between the 2 guitars I probably obsessed about it way too much but in the end I wanted a super clean distortion and decided on the elite. Im loving it so far it definitely has its own place having the actives etc. The distortion is so forgiving and the bottom strings still ring thru unpolluted its very satisfying to play and im still feeling the riffs come thru. Just lacking that bit of low end but I hope I'll achieve it better on a bigger louder amp played live. Big part of me still wishes I went for the red reign I actually ordered it first then changed my mind the next day to the sls. Glad you're getting it. I'd like to hear about it when you do \m/
Its a shsme you couldn't use the c1 version of the apocalypse... Because that way yhe body shapes match up I want the C1 LP style apocalypse, im just worried the pickups might be to metal, and not be ok for less hard styles I want a all rounder
Awesome video great riffs... I own an evil twin thing is a monster love it... I’ve been considering a banshee or an apocalypse really want a sustainiac just never been a FR guy maybe I’ll actually buy one though
Ff pups are sweet, don't get me wrong but the res reign pups with the sustainiac are killer. Plus the red reign has a killswitch.. I'm glad I went with the red reign over the evil twin. Mainly because of the neck and kill switch
The problem for me in this review is the Evil Twin has a non-tremolo bridge and the Apocalypse got a FR...so that probably explains why the Red Reign has a "rounder, warmer" tone unlike the ET because the Apocalypse's FR damps, soften a bit the tones on it...To really compare the two sets (Apocalypse vs Fishman) it should be better to test them with the same architecture (both with NT bridge or both with a FR ).
Exactly what I was thinking because I've had fishmans with elite sls, also have had several models with apoc pups........ The apoc pups on the hardtail in say drop c with the right amp etc etc is absolutely insane level of heat lol fishmans are nice but this is misleading I agree
I’m backwards, I liked the look of the evil twin better and the sound of the apocalypse better. But it’s like comparing a Lamborghini and a Ferrari, both are awesome.
I have to say though I have an atx blackjack that feels more sturdy then this guitar. I feel like if I were to put the Fishman pickups in it, it would sounds even better than this one.
Evil Twin hands down. But it was all the pickups IMO. Swap out the passives for some Fluences and now you have a evil twin of the evil twin but with a tremolo. Win win
Schecter Apocalypse sounds so much warmer, the Evil Twin would be a great guitar to tune down with.
Hit the nail on the head man. I own the evil twin pt (tele style)… and it’s an absolute monster of a guitar. From the open pore finish on the backside… down to the body binding and everything in between… it’s bread and butter is downtuned chugging. Mine personally stays in drop C. Absolute weapon, and it being my first proper schecter…( I had a Damien 7 with the active schecter pickups and it just didn’t hold my interest)… I am hooked for sure. First guitar with Fishmans as well… took some time to transition from EMG to them, but once I learned my playing needed some tightening up lol… I absolutely love them now. A little shrill at first but proper tweaking fixed that. Never personally tried an apocalypse model so my opinion is biased for sure… but from the evil twin side of the fence… it remains my ride or die every day. From shimmering cleans… to the most brutal of chugs… there’s not much this beast can’t handle
They have compensated nuts on them though, right?
Aren’t those things known for being a pain to down tune?
I would've seen the Fishman pickups and instantly picked that guitar, but the apocalypse had a more rounded sound to me.
Both are beautiful guitars and honestly sound amazing. I think Schecter pickups are very underrated, some of my favorite sounding pickups. I think neither sounded better or worse, both kick out an amazing sound. Different tools with different sounds, no better just different IMHO.
Legit the schecter brand pickups are way better than those 81 85 emgs can't stand those pickups just super muddy plus they're active and take a battery to sound that shitty :b the reaper has pretty nice schecter pickups too
Sweet vid. Subscribed. I'm typically an Ibanez/Gibson guy with no previous experience with Schecter guitars. I got my hands on a Schecter CI SLS Elite and bought it immediately. It is by far one of the nicest playing guitars I've ever played. Many recommends.
I own two Schecters with the Apocalypse pickup. One is actually the red reign prototype and the other is JLV prototype. The red reign has a swamp ash body which makes the tone a lot brighter while the JLV is mahogany and has a smoother low end. The secret with the Apocalypse pickup is to turn the gain up on your amp to where it's starting to break up. These pickups shine with lower gain settings and aggressive playing. Too much gain they will get kinda fizzy. I also personally prefer my red reign for live and studio reasons considering is has a snappy bright sound like that of a bolt on where it just cuts through. Great review!!
@ Tyler I know this is an old post I just got the Apocalypse and must admit it's a beauty but maybe it's me and I have to work with it but it does sound a little fizzy/high gained to my ear, I want to try your suggestion and see if I can get a better smoother sounding tone
Good video dude! Team Apocalypse for me. Had a bit more bottom end to it.
Thanks man! Honestly you can go wrong with either. I’m just a sucker for active pickups 😔 haha
Stay Metal Ray I cant blame you, those Fishman Fluence pickups are on my radar, as well. I need a guitar that has those in it. LOL
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Did you like Fishman over Schecter pickups just because they are a name brand?
That Evil Twin is sick, definitely have had my eye on that for a while.
I’m really glad I came across this video, because I just got an Apocalypse C-1 FR S and immediately noticed how chunky the tone is for rhythm. At first I thought it was my amp settings, but quickly realized that the pickups are just extremely well-rounded. You get this thick, full tone with lots of low-end (which somehow doesn’t distort or break), and then when playing lead it feels and sounds crisp and the highs don’t feel drowned out like with some other pickups I’ve used.
Also, I 100% agree about the neck profile. I own a Hellraiser Hybrid C-1 with that “Ultra Thin” C neck and I quickly grew to dislike it. As soon as I felt the neck on the Apocalypse I knew I was gonna have a much better time playing it over the Hybrid.
Great video brother. I found myself deciding between the V1 Apocalypse Red Reign and the SLS Evil Twin V1. Like the rest of the world I ran to UA-cam hoping someone compared the 2 and low and behold, here I am. I know these aren’t Vs but my concern was the difference with the pickups. I’m still undecided. The Fishmans sound fantastic, but that RED REIGN paint is gorgeous. I’m leaning more towards the Apocalypse. I can always change the pickups for cheaper than it would cost to repaint the evil twin. Thanks for demoing these 2. Stay safe and stay healthy man.
Thanks again ray! I am actually thinking about putting a Seymour duncan Nazgul in the bridge once I get it back!
No, thank you my man! You’ll receive it Friday!
And I love the Nazgul! You should try it!
@@xanderraymondcharles I am going to ! I'll let you know how it sounds in there 😀😀
Right off the bat the Black Guitar has more of a brigher attack sound while chugging while the Red has a lower bass chug. They both sound awesome regardless.
PLEASE can you get your hands on an E-1?
I’ll see what I can do man!
I have the apocalypse c1 fr s and I absolutely love it. I have it going into a horizon devices precision drive into a randall diavlo Rd 20 head with matching v30 loaded randall 1x12 cab and its perfect honestly
I actually liked the sound of the Apocalypse better. It had a fuller, richer sound.
Yep, some people prefer the cut sound, some the mids. plus the looks and the sustainer doohickey!?
Totally agree, the fishmans sound brittle and thin.
I had a sls c-7 with the same woods and bridge pickup. It was crazy trebley as much as I loved the feel and craftsmanship I didnt like how it sounded .
Thing needs some real pick-ups
Gabriel Vandal Don’t be that guy.
Question for you bro....loved the comparison first off. I had a Schecter Keith Merrow model (original one)....would that be the same neck as the Apocalypse? Reason I'm asking is because I remember it being a bit "thick" in my hand, which would fatigue after an hour long set. Would the Evil Twin neck be better suited to my needs? (Bear in mind I have a PRS Tremonti with a wide/thin neck, and a Petrucci Majesty with a fairly thin neck as well). Thanks!
How's the build quality on the Evil Twin (fretwork, level, fret ends, playability)? Want to make sure it's not just specced well, but also built well, as they're not cheap!
These are awesome. The specs and the playability match up perfectly. I have both hardtails and can't find one thing to complain about. Just fantastic.
Evil twin all the way
I love the fishman fluence sound
And the hipshot hard tail bridge is absolutely amazing for sustain
And love the locking tuners
The Evil Twin sounded really sick! Both are amazing guitars.
Dang Ray you are seriously accumulating some gear, good job good video.
Both sound great.... But the evil twin with Fishmans.... Dude... Just a metal machine... Phenomenal
The new Banshees with the Evertune looks dope as hell
I just got my see thru metal gray Apocalypse with sustaniac and floyd today. My first Schector guitar, and I have a shit ton of guitars from old Charvels, ESP, EVH, Gibson, etc. I've briefly played a few Schector guitars in the past, but not like this Apocalypse. Shit. I love this guitar. The sustainiac is marvelous. I've done bag pipe sounds, voices, all kinds of tricks. Unbelievable guitar for the money, and I own some crazy expensive guitars.
Now to your video. For chug rhythm the black twin has that modern metal down pat, but..I think if you had delved into the features and played some lead, the Apocalypse would have the advantage.
They are both amazing. I have the Evil Twin and my daughter has the C1 SLS Elite in the gold hombre finish. I have to admit that I love that red finish, and I would have bought mine in that colour if it were available. My one pet peeve with Schecter is their lack of range in finishes for most models. They just came out with that Silver Mountain C8 multiscale, and I hate the finish. If they had it in Red Reign I would buy it. Aesthetics matter to musicians.
I agree. I’m not fan of that silver finish at all
@@xanderraymondcharles I would like some advice on software and gear, if you would be so kind. My ten year old daughter and I are new to guitar, and we both have a Schecter C1 SLS elites, I have the evil Twin, and she has that beautiful golden hombre finish like the one you ended up selling. I have a Focusrite Scarlett 6i6, a Boss Katana 100w 2X12 (not the new MKII that they released the day after I bought mine, wankers), and a Zoom G3Xn effects unit. We also have a couple of pairs of Sennheiser HD 280 Pro Headphones. So I need some input on software and a vocal microphone. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.I would love to hear the thoughts and advice of your subscribers as well. I plan to buy an acoustic electric, and I am leaning toward a Taylor 224CE-K Koa Deluxe Grand Auditorium. I love your channel , and I am subscribed.
I think it would have been more useful to compare an Apocalypse with a hardtail bridge and two Apocalypse pickups to the Evil Twin.
The routing for the Floyd Rose, and the Floyd, itself, affect the tone as does the lack of a neck pickup. That sustaniac is only adding energy to the strings, not picking up anything, making this one in the demo a bridge pick-up only guitar. I have one of the hardtail 2 pick-up Apocalypses and those pickups sound more like the Fishmans when the gain is turned down a little more than you might normally set it. There is also a sweet spot that you really have to dial in with the pick-up height adjustment. With these pickups, like the gain, less is more on height adjustment too. The problem with mine is that the bridge pickup screw slowly backs itself out until the pup mutes the high e string. That's an easy enough fix, but I haven't been able to stop playing it long enough to do it.
Just ordered one of the Evil Twin hard tail guitars. I just LOVE the schecters. Is it just me or does the necks on the Evil twin (Ultra Thin C) feel like a good Ibanez neck? Also, just wodndering, if i wanted to replace the Fishmans in it, could i basically do with most other kinds of ACTIVE pickups? I know this is not the "help line" lol i just figured with all the guitar people, someone might have an answer that even a mouth breather like might be able to understand :)
You could swap the fishmans for other actives.
While some people may note the apoc sounds fuller, it's worth noting if you pull the bridge knob out you'll get a second voicing that will sound way wider. In the case if the bridge pup it won't get thinner/single coil like. It gets "wider" and thumps a little harder. The neck pup cleans up and puts out a thinner sound. But the evil twin bridge is full on gnarly with both voices
Interesting, I thought the Fishman’s would have won for me. As sick and defined as they were they were a bit thinner in comparison for me.
However having those two guitars would be perfect from a mix point if you were quad tracking. The apocalypse would bring the mid and low end thump as where the evil twin would provide the defined top end and give it some teeth.
Shame you gotta get the guitar back to Tim (though I’m sure he misses it), would have been cool to see a mix video where you mix live in real time some pre recorded quad tracked DI’s for a song. DI’s tracked using these two guitars. Great work as always Ray and once again Tim is the man 👍
Love this video! The demo is amazing
Thanks man!!
Love em both Ray. How about an Evil Apocalypse C-1 Twin w/1 Fishman/1 Apocalypse-V1 pickup combo. The Red Reign paint with the matte finish. Now we have our new guitar the 'Frankenschecter'. We're rich!
Definitely a difference. Especially in the cleaner tones. I'm going with the Evil Twin. I've been thinking about getting my first Schecter. I'm leaning towards an Evil Twin or Solo II Evil Twin.
Apocalypse hands down.
I almost bought an evil twin when you first showed it but I got a Dean Dime o flame instead. I don't regret that choice but I think I know that I will get an evil twin for sure now. Thanks for this shootout Ray! Thanks Tim for the hookup!!
Hell, I'd buy one now. { ;
Ahhhh you sly devil you ;)
thanks! i'm debating on an e-1, and can't decide between these two. looks is slightly towards the rusty apoc, but, the pickups on the evil one....damnit. I never thought about the neck profile though, thanks for that.
I’m not too into the schecter pickups either but that finish is killer looking
I really enjoyed playing an Apocalypse really loud in a room at GC. DSL100. Orange 2x12. drop C instant Hatebreed. . I beat the hell out of that guitar. That Apocalypse pickup is as fun as and sounds equal to my Black Winter. I would love to put one in my ol' Bronze Warlock hotrod.
I'm a left handed player and I recently bought a new Schecter Omen 6 Diamond Series super sweet guitar for the price I could afford it my next guitar will be the Schecter Hellraiser or maybe the evil twin will see love your videos bro learned a lot thank you
Hey man thanks for the support!
Honestly schecter platinum c 1 is my favorite only at $600
Please explain the function of the intensity knob for the sustainiac system on the apocalypse. Is that feature worth it? If not I'll probably go with the evil twin frs even though it's only two knobs (volume/tone)
Honestly I didn’t really see a purpose for it. I didn’t find myself loving it ya know? I’d go evil all day man
Cool! That was the last little tidbit holding me back from hitting order. I was even eyeballing the bright green sun valley super shredder and the regular apocalypse frs for a while but I kept going back to the evil twin frs mainly for the pickups. Thanks man! I appreciate it.
The red one has cool electronics and better looks but other definitely sounded better but I wonder which has the best lead sound
Apocalypse had a very "Dime like" chunk to them. Probably should tuned the fishmans down.
I would go for the Evil Twin on the sound, but on the looks, and features, the Apocalypse Wins (I love the idea of a sustainiac)
That is why that if you EVER get your hand on a Hellraiser with Sustainiac, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts.
I think you have to do some adjustment on the amp when playing the Apocalypse , the Evil Twin sounded much tighter with that amp setup ,I bet you can make that Apocalypse sound tighter though
The Fluence are just the best.
Sound of pickups is subjective, but as soon as it comes to palm mutes and in the band or mix, it’s game over. It’s articulated, has definition and cuts through a mix almost like there isn’t anything beside the guitar at all.
Sure for some the Fluence modern don’t have the balls, but think about it: You offer EVERY OTHER band member to add something with „balls“ for example the bass. Also it will make the mix sound better. So in the end there’s nothing missing. You can add the „balls“ or „richness“ by pedals or the EQ on your amp.
This video compares two guitars and it’s a fantastic comparison.
It be honest the apocalypse sound a bit better on the high strings on a clean tone, but whoever owns one of those guitars will play that maybe 0,3% of the time.
Nice video Ray. I would like to send you my Hellraiser, but i changed the pups to Fishman Abasi and living in Germany the shipping x 2 would probably be half of the price of getting one on Craigslist. Ah well.
Dude you’re spot on. Especially with my evh. I literally don’t do anything in post. They are just incredible
And you’re so right. That’s why I don’t ever do clean demos because nobody cares about cleans. In my opinions all cleans sound the same minus say a strat
Stay Metal Ray yeah man. I mean it’s nice to know, but in the end this is a metal channel and clean here and there are cool, but is there any guitar that doesn’t can do cleans well?
On Amps it’s a total different thing, because having a great clean channel means being able to make every pedal sound good in front. But guitar...
so yeah, you’re absolutely right in my opinion.
Clean demos would make way more sense if the guitar got a piezo pickup built in, but beside that:
Metal channel - metal reviews.
Keep rocking my dude! :)
I think im going with the appocalypse, been struggling with it though.
Wierd that i can't hear your kneck slides at all on the twin and its crazy noticeable on the apocalypse
I'd like the black guitar with the pt style headstock..it looks like a suhr inline 6
Being a rhythm player: I dug the crunch of the Apocalypse pickup, better. But, like the Evil Twin better, overall.
Apoc pups in hardtail for rhythm is sick AF especially if you can pull good tone from your pick hand
I can’t decide which one I like better. I loved the cut of the Fishman’s but also loved the warmth of the Apocalypse. Not sure if it was the settings or what, but the Apocalypse sounds muddy but the Fishman’s sounded thin. 🤔 leaving it up to the other specs and the looks, I’d go with the Apocalypse overall.
Same . I can't hear the kneck slide at all on the evil twin though
Jesus Christ ray that mix sounds ginormous
Thanks so much boss!
What do you think of the hellraiser fr s with the emg 81 89 set up? Really love the red reign, but not the apocalypse pick ups. Wish the red reign came with Fishman pick ups like evil twin, but don't want ultra thin neck as I wear 2x gloves...
Dude,whats that blue guitar to your right? I like the apocalypse btw,but the twin looks great
Schecter Keith merrow. I got rid of it awhile ago
@@xanderraymondcharles my buddy has 1,he likes it real well,i dig the blue on it frfr
I bought the twin today & yes the red does look more inviting they both sound mean & ready to shred the knar , it actually made the video sound very sick with each having their unique sound like guitar players were waiting there turn to get it...... anyways great video my dude 👍
Loved the video, I was literally trying to decide between these two for my new guitar- was amazed when I ran across this youtube with a head to head comp...was leaning evil twin but this put it over the top for me...... just ordered one. Also loved the tone, you said it was the EVH 5150 3 EL34 50w head. What else was in there? Pedals? Cab?
Did you get it? How do you like it so far?
I bought this charcoal fade today. I think it might sound better than my LP standard
Hell yeah man congrats!
Cool video. Do you know if the direct mounted pickups on the Eil Twin is fixed with woodscrews or regular pickups screws into a threaded bushing that is drilled into the wood?
Have you ever played the evil twin with the neck sustained pick ups and bridge Fishman with fr or do u think I should still with this model?
Hello Ray , needing your advice . I found a Schecter evil twin c-1 sls on e bay for $935 being sold as a second or B stock . Contacted seller and they are regular buyers from Schecter . They are saying there is nothing wrong with the guitar and only has some minor scratches . In your experience does this sound legit and is this a good price to pay ? Thanks in advance for your help .
Just got an Evil Twin, its so clean and accurate across the board....Love it
This may sound ludicrous but I don’t think a thin neck is always the best option for shred, especially for someone with larger hands I find I have less control on a super skinny neck and yes obviously it’s just preference but I think a neck can certainly be too thin.
@Stay Metal Ray , Shecter C-1 Evil Twin or the C-1 SLS Elite? Besides the PU's, how much they differ?
How the neck compares to a Jackson neck?!
hey man the evil twin feels more like a Jackson to me
Can confirm, it feels very close to my Jackson Soloist USA. Same radius too.
Awesome video man, you're rockin' it!
Just got my apocalypse today...NICE...SO comfortable and easy to play. I play Satriani style and it's perfect. Got this instead of the Ibanez JS240.
I couldn't choose if I tried ... lol both are awesome !!
Thanks Marc!!! You’re the man
Fucking brutal picking my guy! great demo!
Thanks so much dude!!
It would be cool if you got an E1 some day
That's what i wanna see too
Nice review dude!
what amp are you using! sounds AMAZING
I liked the evil twin more but both sound great!
How is the weight distribution on Apocalypse? I really love the look and sound of the Apocalypse but I've lower back issues, I need my guitar to be as light as possible.
I have an apocalypse frs And the first thing I noticed after drooling over it for 10 minutes was the weight. It’s pretty heavy, a bit more pronounced towards the neck. Then again I’m a fat guy so it’s not how heavy it is it’s how you use it😀
thanks for this video. i wish they had the fishman in the bridge of the apoc rather than the passive pup. was wondering what a EMG 81X might sound like in the apoc.
apocalypse is a beast when you are worth it
Haha what
Personally I think there's barely a sound difference and the fishmans take a battery however fine details are a little hard to hear and I suppose the sustainiac requires a battery too but those apocalypse pickups are some of the very best passive pickups
I just picked up the c7 fr apocalypse.. it's a beast believe it. I really want an evil twin as well, which is why I checked out your vid. Thanks bro
You are 100% correct you nail it I bought the Apocalypse Diamond Series and just had it for a view days with the Apocalypse my hands don't cramp up as much I love the red color but you are right about the sound I notice it wow that Evil Twin it sounds so clean enjoy the video.
I seem to have just acquired a blend of these two guitars. I'll have it in hand by the end of next week. The C-1 FR-S SLS Evil Twin has the 1500 Floyd, the Sustainiac with the Fishman Fluence at the bridge. Thanks man...! Great video... it has me jonesin even more to get it in my hands.
I went the other way and got an Apocalypse with a hardtail bridge and bridge and neck pickups instead of one bridge pick-up with a sustainiac. I love it. Best playing neck I've ever had in my hands.
I would pick the Evil Twin at any time... Love the crisp and clear sound from the Fishman Fluence Modern pickups \m/
Hell yeahh man!
SLS Elite in Red Reign would be sick, with the offset dots.
both are great guitars!!! have a question Ray. I am considering buying the evil twin c7 is there any neck dive on your c 1 evil twin and any issues with the guitar itself? thanks
Im hoping someone could help me. Im torn between these 2 guitars. The stuff my and my buds play would be more heavy classic rock and 90's grunge. But the stuff we come up with is more on the heavier side (riff based). I absolutely love the sound of that evil twin but I have this impression it's very specific in its sound where as the apocalypse has a bit more versatility?? Hoping someone could clarify. Love your channel thanks for your dedication.
Honestly, if you're looking for more of a filet butt robust sound to go with the heavier riffs, the apocalypse is where you're gonna wanna be. It has more of a "dime" sound to it. I've watched quite a few review vids on it and it also has pretty good high end tones to it as well. Especially with the sustainiac kicked on. I've decided to get the red reign myself, just waiting to get the money saved up. Lol. But as I said, if you're riffs are on the heavier side, you're gonna want the chunkier sound of the apocalypse.
@@chantzrocks101 Hey thanks so much for the reply. I actually ended up going with the Sls elite (just came in a few days ago) after some solid research too between active and passive pickups, but was so torn between the 2 guitars I probably obsessed about it way too much but in the end I wanted a super clean distortion and decided on the elite. Im loving it so far it definitely has its own place having the actives etc. The distortion is so forgiving and the bottom strings still ring thru unpolluted its very satisfying to play and im still feeling the riffs come thru. Just lacking that bit of low end but I hope I'll achieve it better on a bigger louder amp played live. Big part of me still wishes I went for the red reign I actually ordered it first then changed my mind the next day to the sls. Glad you're getting it. I'd like to hear about it when you do \m/
I like the apocalypse better , probably because i'm old from the emg era.
Same here
Its a shsme you couldn't use the c1 version of the apocalypse...
Because that way yhe body shapes match up
I want the C1 LP style apocalypse, im just worried the pickups might be to metal, and not be ok for less hard styles
I want a all rounder
Awesome video great riffs... I own an evil twin thing is a monster love it... I’ve been considering a banshee or an apocalypse really want a sustainiac just never been a FR guy maybe I’ll actually buy one though
Ff pups are sweet, don't get me wrong but the res reign pups with the sustainiac are killer. Plus the red reign has a killswitch.. I'm glad I went with the red reign over the evil twin. Mainly because of the neck and kill switch
The evil twin sounded better to my ears. The apocalypse had a little too much low end. It’s hard to beat fishman pickups.
What tuning are you in, and what are you running for the amp?
Morning Ray. I had the hell rasior,great tone but the neck was baseball bat sized. Great video ,more metal!🎸
hey Joe! I hope you have a great day buddy!
ummm did you want to explain that sustainiac more???? That is the biggest difference.
Beautiful guitars and both sound great! This helped me decide what to get! I like the Apocalypse better! 👍
Wow the evil twin sounds amazing
Yeah it does!
The problem for me in this review is the Evil Twin has a non-tremolo bridge and the Apocalypse got a FR...so that probably explains why the Red Reign has a "rounder, warmer" tone unlike the ET because the Apocalypse's FR damps, soften a bit the tones on it...To really compare the two sets (Apocalypse vs Fishman) it should be better to test them with the same architecture (both with NT bridge or both with a FR ).
Exactly what I was thinking because I've had fishmans with elite sls, also have had several models with apoc pups........ The apoc pups on the hardtail in say drop c with the right amp etc etc is absolutely insane level of heat lol fishmans are nice but this is misleading I agree
I’m backwards, I liked the look of the evil twin better and the sound of the apocalypse better. But it’s like comparing a Lamborghini and a Ferrari, both are awesome.
Hey man can’t go wrong with either one!
Can't choose. Apocalypse, evil twin, silver mountain, elite, blackjack, reaper!
Failed to mention the awesomeness of the Sustaniac pickup!
Evil Twin all day. I have one but want to get a couple more before they pull them
This was freaking awesome. Thanks!
P. S. Hope ya demo a new b. c. rich
what camera are you using?
Canon 80d
There’s pretty much noise whats your ISO?🤔
I have both and the evil twin is truly hands down the winner 👍🏼
Would take the Apocalypse if it had another finish. Loved the way it sounded
They do a raw type finish in "Rusty Grey" that's pretty cool
@@timshadgett my apocalypse has red and black and shines like red glitter in the sun light
I prefer the apocalypse pickup. I have that guitar in a 7 string and I really like it… like a lot.
Was going to order the Apocalypse but I ended up ordering the Evil Twin because of this video.
I’m about to Oder one as well home much did u pay ?
@@epicwork5970 I paid around $1,300. It's coming in today. I ordered the V shaped one.
I have to say though I have an atx blackjack that feels more sturdy then this guitar. I feel like if I were to put the Fishman pickups in it, it would sounds even better than this one.
Evil Twin hands down. But it was all the pickups IMO. Swap out the passives for some Fluences and now you have a evil twin of the evil twin but with a tremolo. Win win
The evil twin did have fluences
@@GamingLegend-ie4nl I think you misread what I said.
Apocalypse for sure bro!
Both ..Im buying both