It’s sad that we had to see the conclusion first before everything else because of her giving up her remaining Regenerations in “Let’s Kill Hitler” meant that River Song was her last form.
"Trouble is, it's all back to front. My past is his future. We're traveling in opposite directions. Every time we meet, I know him more, he knows me less. I live for the days when I see him, but I know that every time that I do he'll be one step further away. The day is coming when I'll look into that man's eyes, my Doctor, and he won't have the faintest idea who I am. And I think it's going to kill me" :( ;( damn you DW writers ;(
I watched those episodes right before these ones, and my heart broke a bit when River introduced herself. Of course, now that I've seen The Wedding of River Song, it's even more heartbreaking
Eh i mean she said the last time he saw her was when he took her to the towers. so if a night lasts 24 years, and they didnt stay together for the whole 24 years on darillium without leaving the towers then the 24 year night doesnt mean they had 24 yrs.
Jensen apparently what happened was the two loved in a small flat by the towers together for the 24 years. I think that is a beautiful way for the two to end their relationship.
The most heart-breaking thing about this entire scene is that the Doctor, albeit in his 11th incarnation, DOES honour her request. He doesn't change their time together and they travelled together in time and space and ran.
thunderclap morgridge It isn't actually. There's a mini episode on the Series 6 DVD called Night of the Doctor in which The Doctor bumps into a future version of himself wearing a tux and River and discovers that they are going to Derilium. So it is the Eleventh who took her there.
Cryer24597 (Spoilers if you haven't finished season 7) I highly doubt that he pretended to love her. If anything, maybe a fraction of it was obligation to "debt". However, River ends up getting "saved" and her "ghost" or spirit or whatever still follows the Doctor around from time to time. If loving her was really just an act, I'm sure he'd feel a little stuck at this point because she isn't really gone.
Zak Rosenfeld It was so weird to see her in the adventures of the eleventh Doctor and thinking to myself - but she's dead and he knows that. Isn't he gonna do something about it?
+Klukier Truth is, the doctor does forgot about certain things once a certain reocurring event takes place. I believe that this is one of the things he just came to realised inbetween the adventures, after the timeline was rewriten about his Identity
Can we give credit to Alex Kingston for such a powerful farewell here? She knew just as much about River as we did at the time, but she says farewell to the Doctor (the incarnation she'll never work with again BTW) like she's been through what will turn out to be a centuries long relationship with the most remarkable man in the universe. Whether you liked RIver's journey after this or not ( I really, really did), you got to give credit to Alex Kingston for attaching such emotion to a story that hadn't been written yet.
It's honestly mindblowing. These scenes weren't that powerful at the time of release because of how little context we had, but going back to watch it I end up crying and it's extremely moving. Her performance delivers a beautiful climax to all the scenes that hadn't even been written yet.
I feel like I've heard that Alex Kingston actually WAS given some context as to who she might be to the doctor. At least more than was given to the other actors.
If you want to watch River's episodes in her order, you'll have to watch some episodes more than once, because in some, there are multiple versions of her (for example The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon two parter episode has three versions of her, A Good Man Goes to War has two versions of her, etc.)
Just because we've seen the beginning and the end it doesn't necessarily mean that we've seen all the bits in between. Some of the event they discuss during diary synchronisation haven't been shown yet.
1:35 "Not those times, not one line, don't you dare!" Alex delivers that line masterfully, as if she had already taped and lived as River, all those episodes from revealing who she was, all the way to the last "hello, sweety!" Great work.
+musicandmakeup I dont know what to feel, its touching, but i really , really hated river songs actor in real life. She just doesnt fit the role at all. But i hope she is last of her kind , knowing doctor who has been choosing actors much more carefully now. Clara was so good, both character wise and actress wise. NO matter whats written on books, actress always adds part of her to the character, and i think river song was victim of this situation. Where clara was so much better because of exact same situation.
GW Kim River said "not those times, not one line..." referring to her adventures with the 11th Doctor. When the 11th Doctor regenerated he told Clara: " I will not forget one line of this, not one day...I swear" Both River and the 11th Doctor looked back on their lives at their deaths and used the same line, implying that they must have taught each other this line at some point.
I only just realised: Donna's husband (forgot his name) says 'Am I real?' Not 'Are YOU real?'. He's so convinced Donna's real, he's willing to believe he's part of her imagination. That's especially touching to me. :-(
Dina Issakova I did realize that! And actually I had hope that they would find each other some time.... but no :'( She ended up marrying some other guy.
@@asissibooksen2037 Well thankfully nine years later we find out they've actually had a very happy marriage and husband #2 is actually incredibly good to her.
If the emotional part of this was Moffat's doing, then you're absolutely right. That said, there are other people working with him, so... IDK. He's definitely a good writer regardless though. At least three of my favorite episodes were lead by him.
SpankMeSanta but if he didn't bring her back, what would be the point of her? The brilliant thing about her is that she was indeed brought back and it made sense.
SpankMeSanta because when 11 meets her it way before she kills herself then 12 doctors regeneration he gives the sonic and she goes and this episode makes sense
Yeah, what I always think when I see this scene is that there last night together lasted 24 years ! Like the doctor knew it was the last night for River so he did everything perfect !
I remember watching this episode, and the most feels I got was when Donna lost her family. Now after REALLY meeting River? I think I cry in every episode she is in.
The real sad thing I'd Dona last all those memories. Somewhere that man will that studer who remembers raising children with Dona and now is alone hope she will find him, but she don't know that... :...-(
Bones McCoy I will probably earn a lot of hate for this but I never really liked Donna as the Doctors Companion. My favorites (So Far) are Rose and Amy. Martha was nod bad. But I really wished there were some Episodes in a Row where River is the Doctors Companion
When you first watch this, you don't cry because you don't know who River is. Once you've seen more episodes with her and then come back and watch this one, you cry your eyes out. 😭
Maria Fox SHE MENTIONED THE TOWERS AND THATS HAPPENED NOW OH GOD THIS WAS ACTUALLY IT ONLY IN A TIME SHOW DO WE SEE THE DEATH OF A CHARACTER FIRST AND THEN GET TO KNOW HER GOD DAMNED IT
Noelle Fritz yes I'm afraid this is how she dies forever. I watched that episode, The Husbands of River Song, and while she does live at the end of that one you still can't help but cry your eyes out because you know what's going to happen next.
Oh, I cried my eyes out the first time I watched this, way back in the day. I remember desperately hoping we'd get to see River again after this. Even before she came back, this was already my 2nd favorite New Who episode.
Ten's run really shows how the Doctor is finally opening himself back up to the possibility of romance, love, and even a family life, but has those hopes repeatedly ripped away from him. He fears it's impossible. River Song is proof that what he wants can/will actually be possible. And he is helpless as he watches her die, both fearing the heartache of and clinging to the hope of what their story will bring to his future.
One of the things I love about this scene (besides the wonderful acting) is that the 2 minute countdown actually takes 2 minutes. That's rare in film and TV.
[The Wedding of River Song] River: Time can be rewritten. 11th: Don't you dare. ........ [Silence in the Library] 10th: Time can be rewritten River: Don't you dare.
confusedlemur12 It's complicated. River repeats them because she heard them from Eleven. Eleven says them because he's heard those lines from River back in this episode, so he's repeating too. Now who first invented those lines? The fabric of time itself, perhaps? It's a lot like a bootstrap paradox.
2:07 my god david’s acting it’s just phenomenal, the way he’s literally trembling, you can just feel 10s desperation, and coupled with his expressions, just pure anguish at having to watch her die when he knows he must care about her deeply, even if he barely knows her yet, just exceptional
Back then, I thought River Song was a "strange" character and slightly exhausting to follow her allusions, for she appeared and talked about things no one knew about back then. It was years later, with all the story of season 5-7, that I realised what a magneficent character she is (in no little part thanks to Alex Kingston's amazing performance). And when she finally arrived on Darilium with 12, I started sobbing immediately, knowing what would happen now- and in the near future. And then, when the Doctor answered her question about how long a night on Darilium is, I cheered for them both! 💖
...It gets even worse when you know the whole story - not just because you now know who River is and have come to care about her etc, but because she's sacrificing more than just her life here - If he dies here, that would mean he never crashes in her mother's garden fairly soon after, which means she never becomes targeted by Kovarian (who'd have no reason to manufacture an assasin or blow up the TARDIS if the Doctor is already dead), which, in turn, means River would get to have a normal childhood with her parents instead of the creepy orphanage from hell/ super soldier training/ scavenging for herself for decades. She's giving up a chance to undo the sucky bits in her past because she decided that the happy bits (many of which include the Doctor) are worth it. Wouldn't we all sort of want to feel that way whn our time comes? That it was worth it? Retroactively, this also becomes a showcase of how her character developement has come to full circle, from her clingy psycho younger version who was happy to break reality as a grandiose gesture in the name of her obsession, to the independent, cool, caring and responsible person we see here, quite capable of accepting the inevitable out of actual, mature and unspectacular love. I find it rather impressive that they managed to portray gradual personality shifts like that even when we see them all out of order.
Counterpoint, though: in Wedding of RS, it was determined that the Doctor's "death" at Lake Silencio was a fixed point in time, which gives more meaning to the exchange: "Time can be rewritten" "Not those times"
Except if the Doctor died here River wouldn't exist because River was conceived in the Tardis while in the time vortex and also her parents would possibly never get together if not for her or rather they would get together much later in their lives.
If I met my past self, who has just finished watching this episode for the first time, and told her that some day, it would become even more awesome, I'm pretty sure she wouldn't believe me.
Glenn Williams Yeah, but if you count(if you don't, NEVERMIND this) the regenerations he's 10 and 11. If you go by regenerations its: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8,War Doctor(even though he doesn't call himself Doctor), 9, 10(David), 11(David again), 12, 13. Some other people said Capaldi starts a new cycle but who knows until there are more eps. Some other people counted it like this:CYCLE #1-1, 2, 3, 4. 5. 6. 7, 8, War Doctor, 10, 11, 12 CYCLE #2-1... I know its a lot of confusing "...stuff"
1st time watching: Oh thats so sad...I wonder who she is... 2nd time watching: OMG WHHHHYYYY!!!!??? NO, NO!! POOR RIVER!!! HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HER!!!! BUT SHE KNOWS HIM AND-AHDJKHFAHSD!!! (CRIES A TSUNAMI)
+WolfPrideProductions and I screamed as Melodyyyy !!!!!! NO !!! OH River how will Doctor live without youuu ?? :'(( Oh her parents will never learn what happaned their daughter the girl&boy who waited will always waiting for their melody..And I'm so sure Tardis was sa sad in this scene and you know Tardis always knows she is her child too SOOOOO SAD
Okay but, apart from the signing towers - which is also heartbreaking - River says "you've always known how i was going to die, all the time we've been together, you knew i was coming here". The way she realised the pain the future doctor must've felt throughout these years together, knowing she was going to die, that her end was a fixed point and the only thing he could do is saving her in the library forever.
The best line in the whole series “it’s not over for you, you’ll see me again! You’ve got all of that to come, you and me, time and space! You watch us run!” Beautiful ❤️
"time could be rewritten" "Not those time. Not one line. Dont you dare." So sweet and yet so sad! River rather have those short time with the doctor than having to live without ever knowing the doctor. but technically she wouldnt be born.... DAMN river song is one of the most underrated character. i really hope to see more of her. but i want to see her with the eleventh.....they gonna show tenth with rose in the day of the doctor why can't river and eleventh be there as well.
+The Potato King Turn Left is probably one of my top favorite episode and also the Journey of Earth 2 parts with the Christmas Specials. It's like they knew this is going to be there last season so they have been put all their efforts into each episode to make it unforgettable. Guess what. They did it.
River songs story is one of the saddest and happiest stories to ever be told. To keep a storyline going for so many years. To plan it ahead like this. The amount of note taking needed.
What I love is that this is so real. You can totally see River drawing The Doctor in so quickly. They've just met, but by the end of the episode, The Doctor loves her, just like that and it utterly makes sense.
David Tennant will always be my Doctor. The true Doctor! He puts so much emotion into the character. I cant watch the ones after David. It doesn't feel the same without him.
The saddest thing is even after just two episodes we all loved river song and that the doctor only found out what she would one day mean to him as she was about to die!! :'( x
when River returns to prison after the fall of the Byzantium adventure, she says to 11th : "You, me, handcuffs... must it always end this way ?" that crushes my heart every time, as it probably did 11th. Se had no idea how true this was.
1:36 to 1:38 river says 'don't you dare' well when matt smith was the doctor when he was going to die in Utah on the episode rivers wedding he said don't you dare when river said time can be re written and in this episode the forest of the dead it was the other way round river saying don't you dare and the doctor saying time can be re written
UGH! All the FEELS! It's like watching a friend die in front of her lover...my hearts hurt!!! Totally cry every time I see this now that I'm attached to River.
I cry every time too, and I don't even know anything about River beyond this episode (I'm new to Doctor Who). Every time, when she plugs the plugs in my heart screams 'NOOOOOOO!'
... She never did, and she'll never remember him. They lived a lifetime (in dream transitions) in there, and now he'll never see her again, and even if he could she would look right through him and mock his stutter, because she was forced to turn back to what she was.
OH MY GOD! HOW DID I NOT NOTICE SHE SAID THAT!? When the Doctor said 'Time can be rewritten!' and River tells him, 'Not those times! Not one line...' That's one of the big parts in Matt Smith's last lines~ God, this break my heart~ I love River~
The fact that from this moment on, everytime the Doctor saw River we were in his shoes because we knew exactly how she’d die as he did. Makes it far more heartbreaking
Considering he's either from another planet or the future(I honestly don't remember which) even though I haven't seen the specials yet, I'm going to say no. Would have been interesting though(but if I'm wrong, then sweet)
Can we just take a moment to appreciate the award-winning acting in this scene? Even if this is your first time seeing a Dr. Who clip, you know _exactly_ what is going on between them and how heartwrenching the situation is for both characters. Simply masterful.
+Kristopher Awojobi Or because he knows she is going to die very soon. From River's perspective, she dies the next time they meet. Which for all we know is the night after 'The husbands of River Song'.
You Are Not Alone. Hell that was more heartbreaking than the River Song stuff. Especially given that you see him looking for Donna mere moments after she left with The Doctor.
1:03 - The Singing Towers of Darillium - well that was a great night for them, The Doctor cries and new screwdriver... well now we understand everything... :)
*Ten and River:* "Time can be rewritten" "Not those times, not one *line*" *When Eleven is regenerating:* "I won't forget a *line* of this, not one day. I swear."
+Hannah Icing im sorry to tell you guys this but.. it was 11 who gives her his screwdriver as shown in the doctor who mini episode first night and last night. www.dailymotion.com/video/xwp5yy_doctor-who-first-and-last-night_shortfilms
I remember the first time I watched this, I texted a friend "Who is River Song and why did she just make me sob like a baby?" He just laughed maniacally.
This is an example of perfect television... my sister tried to get me into this show, so I downloaded this episode from itunes the day it came out. Was instantly hooked. Alex does an amazing job, masterful.
This becomes sadder when you consider that despite the fact that almost every incarnation of the Doctor has met River almost every single one before Ten most likely forgot who River was…
I love how since we’ve seen that episode with the singing towers, this means when she said “new haircut” she was referring to Capaldi… a face she didn’t recognize. Implying that the doctor’s face is basically just a haircut style to her, and I love that for them.
***** But I doubt Capaldi's Doctor would in the mini episode when the younger Doctor was speaking to the older one they even said it was her last day with him? Oh well maybe we just don't see the Doctor hand her a screwdriver.
Keep in mind, everyone - while it is a possibility that River was lying at some point, but we're told two things: 1) It was at the Singing Towers that the Doctor gave her the screwdriver. 2) During the mini episode Last Night, River reveals that the Doctor she's with at the time is taking her to see... the Singing Towers. When asked if that's the very night, the future-Matt-Doctor looks incredibly sad when he gives his answer-dodge of "spoilers"... effectively saying yes. The simplest answer is that the reason we were never going to be shown the actual events of the Singing Towers date is because 1) it didn't involve any of the Doctor's non-River companions at all, and 2) there was no big enemy to fight or huge threat to avert. It was a romantic (and for the Doctor, very sad) date, and nothing more. That's not episode material, not for this TV series.
***** Technically the last chronological appearance of River in the Doctor's chronology is in The Name of the Doctor, from when River is already dead. Which is before 11th's regeneration into 12.
I actually think this is one of the best scenes in Doctor Who like ever, if I hate to rate them: 1) Eleventh Doctors regeneration 2) Twelfth Doctors anti-war speech 3) Amy and Rory's final goodbye 4) River's Sacrifice 5) The Doctor wipes Donna's memory 6) Rose and the Doctor part 7) The Pandorica Speech 8) The Rings of Akhaten Speech 9) River reveals who she is 10) The Ninth Doctor electrocutes the Dalek
9th doctor's just this once, everybody lives. 12th - one hell of a bird in heaven sent. 12th - telling Clara his story without knowing who she is. 10 ending of family of blood.
I watched this series backwards and this was the last episode with River Song that I watched. When she died, I just stopped the video (I was watching on itunes) because I was so devastated and didn't finish this episode until half a year later.
"This is River Song. She's going to be a major character for the next three seasons. However you don't know that because you think she's dead." This is classic Moffat though. A tragic death. A monster that could be real.
I often feel like 10 was actually the most in love with River. He admired her for her intellect & the fact she proved the doctor massively wrong. He knew she was important to him & he wanted and need that at the time. But he is the one that watched her die. Fitting really as Matt Smiths doctor is so cautious with her
can we all just appreciate the fact that they set up a story starting with its conclusion this far back in the series?
yes
Iirc they didn't intend on doing this and she wasn't supposed to come back in s5 and was surprised when she did
@@Doctor_Spade no she was supposed to come back😂 wouldn’t have made sense if they didn’t
It’s sad that we had to see the conclusion first before everything else because of her giving up her remaining Regenerations in “Let’s Kill Hitler” meant that River Song was her last form.
@@callumocreary1253 no alex literally said she wasn't intended to come back (unless it was sarcasm, which i suck with)
"Trouble is, it's all back to front. My past is his future. We're traveling in opposite directions. Every time we meet, I know him more, he knows me less. I live for the days when I see him, but I know that every time that I do he'll be one step further away. The day is coming when I'll look into that man's eyes, my Doctor, and he won't have the faintest idea who I am. And I think it's going to kill me" :( ;( damn you DW writers ;(
the homestuck creator must have taken a lot of pointers from this. with the relationship between karkat and john
I watched those episodes right before these ones, and my heart broke a bit when River introduced herself. Of course, now that I've seen The Wedding of River Song, it's even more heartbreaking
Fuck...
That’s not true? Her second to last meeting was his last as capaldi
@@Lewpo016 my dude I posted this 6 years ago before that episode was a thing lol
"What a night that was!" - She says, thoroughly under-exaggerating the 24 years spent on darillium. xD
"24 years. What a night!" - Nardole
Eh i mean she said the last time he saw her was when he took her to the towers. so if a night lasts 24 years, and they didnt stay together for the whole 24 years on darillium without leaving the towers then the 24 year night doesnt mean they had 24 yrs.
Understating
You're welcome
Jensen apparently what happened was the two loved in a small flat by the towers together for the 24 years. I think that is a beautiful way for the two to end their relationship.
S p o i l e r s
The most heart-breaking thing about this entire scene is that the Doctor, albeit in his 11th incarnation, DOES honour her request. He doesn't change their time together and they travelled together in time and space and ran.
And yet he doesn't know that His 12th incarnation is the one she was refering to while in the chair.
thunderclap morgridge It isn't actually. There's a mini episode on the Series 6 DVD called Night of the Doctor in which The Doctor bumps into a future version of himself wearing a tux and River and discovers that they are going to Derilium. So it is the Eleventh who took her there.
Danny Foster I think you mean First Night (and Last Night.) Night of the Doctor Had the 8th Doctor regenerate into the War Doctor.
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it's actually 5 mini episodes that all together are called Night AND the Doctor (not Night OF the Doctor)
Cryer24597 (Spoilers if you haven't finished season 7) I highly doubt that he pretended to love her. If anything, maybe a fraction of it was obligation to "debt". However, River ends up getting "saved" and her "ghost" or spirit or whatever still follows the Doctor around from time to time. If loving her was really just an act, I'm sure he'd feel a little stuck at this point because she isn't really gone.
the very first time the Doctor sees River, is the last time River sees the Doctor
That Samoan Kid Second to last; The Name of the Doctor comes after this for River.
That Samoan Kid yea and after watching last years Christmas special (the husbands of river song) this has so much more meaning
Hmm no last time was in The Name of the Doctor. She was already dead
That Samoan Kid and so far the last time the Doctor sees River was before they first meet
Big Finish has entered the chat
This scene is even sadder when you know exactly who river is
I just cried
Zak Rosenfeld It was so weird to see her in the adventures of the eleventh Doctor and thinking to myself - but she's dead and he knows that. Isn't he gonna do something about it?
Zak Rosenfeld so true. *sob*
+Klukier
he can't change it anyhow
it's a fixed point
+Klukier Truth is, the doctor does forgot about certain things once a certain reocurring event takes place.
I believe that this is one of the things he just came to realised inbetween the adventures, after the timeline was rewriten about his Identity
Steven moffat introduction a big character by killing her
classic steven moffat
anthony jack like Clara (Asylum of the Daleks and The Snowmen)..
That's Moffat for you😂
Lmao 🤣
The most Moffat plot line I have ever heard
Can we give credit to Alex Kingston for such a powerful farewell here? She knew just as much about River as we did at the time, but she says farewell to the Doctor (the incarnation she'll never work with again BTW) like she's been through what will turn out to be a centuries long relationship with the most remarkable man in the universe. Whether you liked RIver's journey after this or not ( I really, really did), you got to give credit to Alex Kingston for attaching such emotion to a story that hadn't been written yet.
Oh yeah, she was fantastic.
It's honestly mindblowing. These scenes weren't that powerful at the time of release because of how little context we had, but going back to watch it I end up crying and it's extremely moving. Her performance delivers a beautiful climax to all the scenes that hadn't even been written yet.
I feel like I've heard that Alex Kingston actually WAS given some context as to who she might be to the doctor. At least more than was given to the other actors.
Well ... Alex Kingston IS a professional actress, y'know?
Scene still brings a tear.
Now with River's story having come full circle, I need to get started on placing all of her scenes in order. It's going to be a blast (with FEELS).
I really want to watch all of rivers episodes in her order now
+DeadPixelz That was helpfull. I think I will watch the Episodes ir her order too ^^
If you want to watch River's episodes in her order, you'll have to watch some episodes more than once, because in some, there are multiple versions of her (for example The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon two parter episode has three versions of her, A Good Man Goes to War has two versions of her, etc.)
so where is it?
Just because we've seen the beginning and the end it doesn't necessarily mean that we've seen all the bits in between. Some of the event they discuss during diary synchronisation haven't been shown yet.
1:35 "Not those times, not one line, don't you dare!" Alex delivers that line masterfully, as if she had already taped and lived as River, all those episodes from revealing who she was, all the way to the last "hello, sweety!" Great work.
after the christmas special watching this is even more heartbreaking
+musicandmakeup I am still not over it yet. I've just been playing Beauty and the Beast because it reminds of River and The Doctor.
+musicandmakeup I cried :((
+musicandmakeup You are so, so right. It's the christmas special that brought me here haha.
+Rachel Wyld omg thats soo sweet and sad
+musicandmakeup I dont know what to feel, its touching, but i really , really hated river songs actor in real life. She just doesnt fit the role at all. But i hope she is last of her kind , knowing doctor who has been choosing actors much more carefully now. Clara was so good, both character wise and actress wise.
NO matter whats written on books, actress always adds part of her to the character, and i think river song was victim of this situation. Where clara was so much better because of exact same situation.
"not those times, not one line..." I get it now!
"I will not forget one line of this, not one day..."
Oh my god, I never realized that..
O_O
Omg!
ThisisBrak oh my feels. i've been hit. help me. can't…..move…..
ThisisBrak Could someone explain "not one line"? Maybe I'm not remembering something...
GW Kim River said "not those times, not one line..." referring to her adventures with the 11th Doctor.
When the 11th Doctor regenerated he told Clara: " I will not forget one line of this, not one day...I swear"
Both River and the 11th Doctor looked back on their lives at their deaths and used the same line, implying that they must have taught each other this line at some point.
I only just realised: Donna's husband (forgot his name) says 'Am I real?' Not 'Are YOU real?'. He's so convinced Donna's real, he's willing to believe he's part of her imagination. That's especially touching to me. :-(
I wish he would've found her! It would've been beautiful! Him, instead of the man she marries at the end!
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The sad part is that if you really look in the scene where Donna's running through the library later, he's actually there. He is real.
Dina Issakova I did realize that! And actually I had hope that they would find each other some time.... but no :'( She ended up marrying some other guy.
asissibooksEN i thought it was the same guy….
@@asissibooksen2037 Well thankfully nine years later we find out they've actually had a very happy marriage and husband #2 is actually incredibly good to her.
Not those times. Not one line. DON'T you DARE. You and me, time and space. You watch us run.
shhhh. Spoilers.
(I need to go cry.)
same. can't ever keep it together at the "you watch us run..."
Aaand there they flow again T;______;T
+Kiana Kerr I will not forget one line of this, not one day. I swear. I will always remember when the Doctor was me.
And then when 11'th regenerates, he says "I will not forget one line of this"
😭
That shhhh gives me so much fourth vibes
When people say Moffat can't do emotional ???? this is the most ive ever cried at an episode
If the emotional part of this was Moffat's doing, then you're absolutely right. That said, there are other people working with him, so... IDK. He's definitely a good writer regardless though. At least three of my favorite episodes were lead by him.
Moffat is great at stand-alone, horrible at the long game.
SpankMeSanta but if he didn't bring her back, what would be the point of her? The brilliant thing about her is that she was indeed brought back and it made sense.
SpankMeSanta because when 11 meets her it way before she kills herself then 12 doctors regeneration he gives the sonic and she goes and this episode makes sense
jealousharibo she kept coming back for 9 freaking years. that’s too long and too dragged out imo.
Oh god. This clip is even more perfect now after The Husbands of River Song.
Now it all makes sense now... dang this is sad ;(
GadgetGuy Is the new Doctor going to meet River Song?!!!
Gavin Seddon most likely
Yeah, what I always think when I see this scene is that there last night together lasted 24 years ! Like the doctor knew it was the last night for River so he did everything perfect !
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I remember watching this episode, and the most feels I got was when Donna lost her family. Now after REALLY meeting River? I think I cry in every episode she is in.
Me too:")
That was one well executed piece of ouch.
The real sad thing I'd Dona last all those memories. Somewhere that man will that studer who remembers raising children with Dona and now is alone hope she will find him, but she don't know that... :...-(
Bones McCoy I will probably earn a lot of hate for this but I never really liked Donna as the Doctors Companion. My favorites (So Far) are Rose and Amy. Martha was nod bad. But I really wished there were some Episodes in a Row where River is the Doctors Companion
When you first watch this, you don't cry because you don't know who River is. Once you've seen more episodes with her and then come back and watch this one, you cry your eyes out. 😭
Maria Fox is this how she dies forever? Because that would be horrible. Like the first thing he saw of his wife was her actual death
Maria Fox SHE MENTIONED THE TOWERS AND THATS HAPPENED NOW OH GOD THIS WAS ACTUALLY IT
ONLY IN A TIME SHOW DO WE SEE THE DEATH OF A CHARACTER FIRST AND THEN GET TO KNOW HER GOD DAMNED IT
Noelle Fritz yes I'm afraid this is how she dies forever. I watched that episode, The Husbands of River Song, and while she does live at the end of that one you still can't help but cry your eyes out because you know what's going to happen next.
I cried because i liked her character in this episode
Oh, I cried my eyes out the first time I watched this, way back in the day. I remember desperately hoping we'd get to see River again after this. Even before she came back, this was already my 2nd favorite New Who episode.
She didnt do it for her future for the eleventh Doctor. She did because he is the Doctor. DOesnt matter the incarnation, she still loves her Doctor
Ten's run really shows how the Doctor is finally opening himself back up to the possibility of romance, love, and even a family life, but has those hopes repeatedly ripped away from him. He fears it's impossible. River Song is proof that what he wants can/will actually be possible. And he is helpless as he watches her die, both fearing the heartache of and clinging to the hope of what their story will bring to his future.
One of the things I love about this scene (besides the wonderful acting) is that the 2 minute countdown actually takes 2 minutes. That's rare in film and TV.
[The Wedding of River Song]
River: Time can be rewritten.
11th: Don't you dare.
........
[Silence in the Library]
10th: Time can be rewritten
River: Don't you dare.
Yeah, River's final lines are full of Eleven references.
kingofthings7929 or elevens full of rivers who can really tell
Why not both?
kingofthings7929 sure!
confusedlemur12 It's complicated. River repeats them because she heard them from Eleven. Eleven says them because he's heard those lines from River back in this episode, so he's repeating too. Now who first invented those lines? The fabric of time itself, perhaps? It's a lot like a bootstrap paradox.
2:07 my god david’s acting it’s just phenomenal, the way he’s literally trembling, you can just feel 10s desperation, and coupled with his expressions, just pure anguish at having to watch her die when he knows he must care about her deeply, even if he barely knows her yet, just exceptional
Especially when he says there’s only one time I could (ever tell anyone his name) most likely talking of his last wife
Back then, I thought River Song was a "strange" character and slightly exhausting to follow her allusions, for she appeared and talked about things no one knew about back then. It was years later, with all the story of season 5-7, that I realised what a magneficent character she is (in no little part thanks to Alex Kingston's amazing performance). And when she finally arrived on Darilium with 12, I started sobbing immediately, knowing what would happen now- and in the near future. And then, when the Doctor answered her question about how long a night on Darilium is, I cheered for them both! 💖
I cried like a baby - and my eyes well up every time I see this scene!
The fact that Donna didnt find her husband is even more sad
DAMN YOU MOFFAT
And yet River did, but she died in front of her husband who doesn’t even know her yet, which just adds to the sadness levels again
Well she got guy from hollyoaks eventually
I think its for the best knowing how donnas story ends she would have to forget him anyways 😢
Actually she did in the end of time episode I know it’s not the same person
...It gets even worse when you know the whole story - not just because you now know who River is and have come to care about her etc, but because she's sacrificing more than just her life here -
If he dies here, that would mean he never crashes in her mother's garden fairly soon after, which means she never becomes targeted by Kovarian (who'd have no reason to manufacture an assasin or blow up the TARDIS if the Doctor is already dead), which, in turn, means River would get to have a normal childhood with her parents instead of the creepy orphanage from hell/ super soldier training/ scavenging for herself for decades.
She's giving up a chance to undo the sucky bits in her past because she decided that the happy bits (many of which include the Doctor) are worth it. Wouldn't we all sort of want to feel that way whn our time comes? That it was worth it?
Retroactively, this also becomes a showcase of how her character developement has come to full circle, from her clingy psycho younger version who was happy to break reality as a grandiose gesture in the name of her obsession, to the independent, cool, caring and responsible person we see here, quite capable of accepting the inevitable out of actual, mature and unspectacular love.
I find it rather impressive that they managed to portray gradual personality shifts like that even when we see them all out of order.
Counterpoint, though: in Wedding of RS, it was determined that the Doctor's "death" at Lake Silencio was a fixed point in time, which gives more meaning to the exchange:
"Time can be rewritten"
"Not those times"
Kendrix Havlik woa i never thought about it like that
Except if the Doctor died here River wouldn't exist because River was conceived in the Tardis while in the time vortex and also her parents would possibly never get together if not for her or rather they would get together much later in their lives.
@@darhkblu yeah, I agree. Her mere existence is conditioned upon this moment. Tough. She CAN'T rewrite her story without whipping herself out of it.
@@darhkblu That's not true. River songs would still be born but she wouldn't be half time lord
If I met my past self, who has just finished watching this episode for the first time, and told her that some day, it would become even more awesome, I'm pretty sure she wouldn't believe me.
Glenn Williams but the tenth doctor is chris eccleston cos of the war doctor? :D I love this shit..
Glenn Williams Yeah, but if you count(if you don't, NEVERMIND this) the regenerations he's 10 and 11. If you go by regenerations its: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8,War Doctor(even though he doesn't call himself Doctor), 9, 10(David), 11(David again), 12, 13. Some other people said Capaldi starts a new cycle but who knows until there are more eps. Some other people counted it like this:CYCLE #1-1, 2, 3, 4. 5. 6. 7, 8, War Doctor, 10, 11, 12 CYCLE #2-1...
I know its a lot of confusing
"...stuff"
Glenn Williams Does it really matter?
1st time watching: Oh thats so sad...I wonder who she is...
2nd time watching: OMG WHHHHYYYY!!!!??? NO, NO!! POOR RIVER!!! HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HER!!!! BUT SHE KNOWS HIM AND-AHDJKHFAHSD!!! (CRIES A TSUNAMI)
+WolfPrideProductions and I screamed as Melodyyyy !!!!!! NO !!! OH River how will Doctor live without youuu ?? :'(( Oh her parents will never learn what happaned their daughter the girl&boy who waited will always waiting for their melody..And I'm so sure Tardis was sa sad in this scene and you know Tardis always knows she is her child too SOOOOO SAD
cries a river or enough to fill a pond
Billy Drumm I sea what you did there.
+Billy Drumm and to grow a rose
Mike Petersen STAHP!!! STAHP IT NOW!!!
This scene means so much more to me now than when I first saw it.
Okay but, apart from the signing towers - which is also heartbreaking - River says "you've always known how i was going to die, all the time we've been together, you knew i was coming here".
The way she realised the pain the future doctor must've felt throughout these years together, knowing she was going to die, that her end was a fixed point and the only thing he could do is saving her in the library forever.
if only when river whispered in doctor ear about his name
I wish she really said
look into my eye
The best line in the whole series “it’s not over for you, you’ll see me again! You’ve got all of that to come, you and me, time and space! You watch us run!” Beautiful ❤️
"time could be rewritten"
"Not those time. Not one line. Dont you dare."
So sweet and yet so sad! River rather have those short time with the doctor than having to live without ever knowing the doctor. but technically she wouldnt be born.... DAMN river song is one of the most underrated character. i really hope to see more of her. but i want to see her with the eleventh.....they gonna show tenth with rose in the day of the doctor why can't river and eleventh be there as well.
Not one line don't you dare.... whelp that is even more taken from this moment. Makes Matts final speech have even more feels now.
This is just genius, this is one of the most heartbreaking moments in the series and we didn't even knew until years later
I feel so dumb now, when I first saw Amy, I thought she was going to be River.
LOL
what did you think she was going to do regenerate into river?
I thought she was going to grow and become River.
But Amy's skin colour was much too light to assume she was going to become river :P
People can get a tan, can't they?
First time watching River die I don't cry I just think "wow that's really sad."
Second time watching this moment I'm balling like a child.
Okay Moffat, you win this time, you can have my soul for now, but I'll be back....
You never came back
season 4 is hands down. the best doctor who season.
+The Potato King
Turn Left is probably one of my top favorite episode and also the Journey of Earth 2 parts with the Christmas Specials.
It's like they knew this is going to be there last season so they have been put all their efforts into each episode to make it unforgettable.
Guess what. They did it.
Upsets me so much that Donna didn't find that guy, and he saw her but couldn't even speak to let her know, that makes me upset :(
Wouldn't matter, she'd have to forget him anyways
Another youtuber provided a great though to this scene: She punches the Doctor just like Rory does. He'd be a proud dad!
River songs story is one of the saddest and happiest stories to ever be told.
To keep a storyline going for so many years. To plan it ahead like this. The amount of note taking needed.
What I love is that this is so real. You can totally see River drawing The Doctor in so quickly. They've just met, but by the end of the episode, The Doctor loves her, just like that and it utterly makes sense.
That takes exceptional acting. Both acted this brilliantly.
David Tennant will always be my Doctor. The true Doctor! He puts so much emotion into the character. I cant watch the ones after David. It doesn't feel the same without him.
alex kingston is beyond brilliant. her river is one of my favorite fictional people, ever.
The saddest thing is even after just two episodes we all loved river song and that the doctor only found out what she would one day mean to him as she was about to die!! :'( x
"A new haircut and a suit"... a Capaldi line, many, MANY years later
Incredible
I didn't cry the first time I saw this, because I guess I didn't understand, but I understand now...and it's killing me.
10: Why am I handcuffed?...Why do you even HAVE handcuffs?
River: (Raises Eyebrow and smiles) Spoilers
when River returns to prison after the fall of the Byzantium adventure, she says to 11th : "You, me, handcuffs... must it always end this way ?" that crushes my heart every time, as it probably did 11th. Se had no idea how true this was.
1:36 to 1:38 river says 'don't you dare' well when matt smith was the doctor when he was going to die in Utah on the episode rivers wedding he said don't you dare when river said time can be re written and in this episode the forest of the dead it was the other way round river saying don't you dare and the doctor saying time can be re written
UGH! All the FEELS! It's like watching a friend die in front of her lover...my hearts hurt!!! Totally cry every time I see this now that I'm attached to River.
I cry every time too, and I don't even know anything about River beyond this episode (I'm new to Doctor Who). Every time, when she plugs the plugs in my heart screams 'NOOOOOOO!'
John Christen oh, my poor friend. "You have all of that to come." But some of what is coming will stop your hearts.
+John Christen So do I.
Going back to this after watching the 2015 Christmas Special.. Oh god the tears, the feels...
As touching as the River storyline is, kudos to Donna for making my spine tingle as she screamed "I PROMISE YOU I'LL FIND YOU!"
... She never did, and she'll never remember him. They lived a lifetime (in dream transitions) in there, and now he'll never see her again, and even if he could she would look right through him and mock his stutter, because she was forced to turn back to what she was.
OH MY GOD! HOW DID I NOT NOTICE SHE SAID THAT!? When the Doctor said 'Time can be rewritten!' and River tells him, 'Not those times! Not one line...' That's one of the big parts in Matt Smith's last lines~ God, this break my heart~ I love River~
The fact that from this moment on, everytime the Doctor saw River we were in his shoes because we knew exactly how she’d die as he did. Makes it far more heartbreaking
2:50 - All these years we assumed Donna never found him. With the new episodes coming out this year, I wonder if maybe he'll make an appearance.
Considering he's either from another planet or the future(I honestly don't remember which) even though I haven't seen the specials yet, I'm going to say no. Would have been interesting though(but if I'm wrong, then sweet)
Did he make an appearance?
“You got all of that to come. You and me, time and space…you watch us run”
And what a run it was
I'm glad they gave River Song the ending she deserved.
This is so much heartbreaking to watch after Capaldi's era.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate the award-winning acting in this scene? Even if this is your first time seeing a Dr. Who clip, you know _exactly_ what is going on between them and how heartwrenching the situation is for both characters. Simply masterful.
This is soo much more emotional in context
Thanks Mr Moffat......story complete!
Okay major props to the actress to convey such powerful emotions and doing so while not knowing what any of this even meant at the time
Dr who knows a million different ways to break our hearts into million little pieces.
A million times
+Valpas Kankaristo Oh yes :(
the 10th doctor has no idea that is his wife
+Dnbray like...4th wife
Kind of, he says that if she knows his name that it means something
+Shashwat Adhikari What? I think he meant that if he told her his name then he loved her.
+Kristopher Awojobi Or because he knows she is going to die very soon. From River's perspective, she dies the next time they meet. Which for all we know is the night after 'The husbands of River Song'.
John Jaxson Well but she is a part time lady.
Whats even sadder is Rivers parents died shortly before this.
+RandomGingerKing what does that mean to a man who can travel through time?
***** From the doctors point of view yes but from rivers it was maybe a couple of days.
***** .......... I don't know lol
0:54 EMOTIONS SET AT DONE RIGHT NOW. Can't handle the feels!
Ami the only one crying after Donna missed the man she loved😭😭
banana Cherry I know! And she lost her memory so they have a really slim chance of meeting again 😭😭😭
I did the same thing, I have to tell myself it's just a show.
You
Are
Not
Alone.
Hell that was more heartbreaking than the River Song stuff.
Especially given that you see him looking for Donna mere moments after she left with The Doctor.
Delayed response but you are not alone!
@@chunkymonkeygaming It would be no chance at all right? Because if Donna remember it even on a tiny detail, she would die.
After christmas episode: "24 years"
Me: *bawls*
1:03 - The Singing Towers of Darillium - well that was a great night for them, The Doctor cries and new screwdriver... well now we understand everything... :)
*Ten and River:*
"Time can be rewritten" "Not those times, not one *line*"
*When Eleven is regenerating:*
"I won't forget a *line* of this, not one day. I swear."
I'm rewatching this scene after season 6 and ohhhh the feels! Now this all makes sense :(
rewatch it after season 7 ep 5
This...after watching the series, this moment is so sad. Fantastic
Who else thinks that the new haircut and suit could be the 12th Doctor in this years Christmas Special?
YES
+Hannah Icing im sorry to tell you guys this but.. it was 11 who gives her his screwdriver as shown in the doctor who mini episode first night and last night.
www.dailymotion.com/video/xwp5yy_doctor-who-first-and-last-night_shortfilms
+Mark Alien (Markthealien) Yes, I know, I just think that would be cool
It would be cool a lot cooler than one line of dialogue.
+Mark Alien (Markthealien) river is going to meet twelve soon though, so that is a possibility...
Two true loves forever separated....
I remember the first time I watched this, I texted a friend "Who is River Song and why did she just make me sob like a baby?" He just laughed maniacally.
Everyone talking about the Doctor and River, but Donna’s husband being taken away is such a good bit of emotional writing as well
This is an example of perfect television... my sister tried to get me into this show, so I downloaded this episode from itunes the day it came out. Was instantly hooked. Alex does an amazing job, masterful.
This becomes sadder when you consider that despite the fact that almost every incarnation of the Doctor has met River almost every single one before Ten most likely forgot who River was…
"I'm not a hero. I really am just a mad man with a box." - The Doctor
Now it all makes sense with The Twelfth Doctor visiting the Singing Towers.
"what are you doing? that's my job". i heard similar dialogues in the 2015 christmas special.
+Fluffernutter The special has a lot of callbacks to this episode.
I keep watching the "Hello Sweetie" and the ending from "the husbands of River Song" and then this. I tear up every time. but I keep doing it.
"Not those times, not one line. Don't you dare". Damn, tears just start pouring
I love how since we’ve seen that episode with the singing towers, this means when she said “new haircut” she was referring to Capaldi… a face she didn’t recognize.
Implying that the doctor’s face is basically just a haircut style to her, and I love that for them.
"You even gave me your screwdriver"
WHICH SCREWDRIVER WHAT REGENERATION WHAT DOCTOR
"Spoilers."
fawjithnmawoewtnmaohtah
12th Doctor, 13th regeneration... or first regeneration, depending what you go by, and Capaldi's screwdriver
***** Nah it's Matt's doctor that does, I think there is a mini episode with it (I THINK) I remember watching it.
***** But I doubt Capaldi's Doctor would in the mini episode when the younger Doctor was speaking to the older one they even said it was her last day with him? Oh well maybe we just don't see the Doctor hand her a screwdriver.
Keep in mind, everyone - while it is a possibility that River was lying at some point, but we're told two things: 1) It was at the Singing Towers that the Doctor gave her the screwdriver. 2) During the mini episode Last Night, River reveals that the Doctor she's with at the time is taking her to see... the Singing Towers. When asked if that's the very night, the future-Matt-Doctor looks incredibly sad when he gives his answer-dodge of "spoilers"... effectively saying yes.
The simplest answer is that the reason we were never going to be shown the actual events of the Singing Towers date is because 1) it didn't involve any of the Doctor's non-River companions at all, and 2) there was no big enemy to fight or huge threat to avert. It was a romantic (and for the Doctor, very sad) date, and nothing more. That's not episode material, not for this TV series.
***** Technically the last chronological appearance of River in the Doctor's chronology is in The Name of the Doctor, from when River is already dead. Which is before 11th's regeneration into 12.
Murray Gold went absolutely nuts here with the score.
"There's going to be a day when I look into that man's eyes and he won't have a clue who I am, and I think it might kill me"
-River
Stunning moments! And the music! It´s just perfect!
I actually think this is one of the best scenes in Doctor Who like ever, if I hate to rate them:
1) Eleventh Doctors regeneration
2) Twelfth Doctors anti-war speech
3) Amy and Rory's final goodbye
4) River's Sacrifice
5) The Doctor wipes Donna's memory
6) Rose and the Doctor part
7) The Pandorica Speech
8) The Rings of Akhaten Speech
9) River reveals who she is
10) The Ninth Doctor electrocutes the Dalek
I'm personally a fan of the Flatline speech of "The man who stops the monsters" as well
9th doctor regeneration???
9th doctor's just this once, everybody lives.
12th - one hell of a bird in heaven sent.
12th - telling Clara his story without knowing who she is.
10 ending of family of blood.
I would replace the 10th one with the Ending of series 7 when ghost River talks to the doctor before he enters the time stream to save Clara.
Sorry, I hate the anti war speech. Nothing against Capaldi-- it's just that the writing was so bad by then
Who's just seen The Husbands of River Song? It was amazing am I right!? :) :D
+DalekAlpha OMG Yes, so sad tho D:
It was an amazing end to River's story, don't you think? ;DDDD ;)
+DalekAlpha Terriblw idea to watch this after the husbands of river song...too many onions are being cut.
Luis Figuer You have no idea (Cries for hours and madly re-watches all river song episodes)
+DalekAlpha This scene is 1000x sadder now I've seen the Christmas Special
I watched this series backwards and this was the last episode with River Song that I watched. When she died, I just stopped the video (I was watching on itunes) because I was so devastated and didn't finish this episode until half a year later.
There's shivers shuddering my whole body. Is this what they refer to as the feels?
you Know the 12th doctor did talk about River once I think he said him and her had a fight.
I wept 😭
River's goodbye and Donna's goodbye to the men they loved with the music was just 😢
Please remind me how the HELL Rose's ending was sadder than this.
I hated Rose and this is so sad the river ending was so sad I cried
Because the weight of her death hadn't set in yet
river was ace more mature than rose and martha amy was ok 😁
Because we didn't know who the hell this river song is but after they introduced her again this scene is so sad
Clara's was worse.
He couldn't even remember her while she could.
"This is River Song. She's going to be a major character for the next three seasons. However you don't know that because you think she's dead."
This is classic Moffat though. A tragic death. A monster that could be real.
I try to watch youtube and suddenly I'm watching Doctor Who videos... e.e
+Frank Gallagher "Spooky, isn't it?"
I often feel like 10 was actually the most in love with River. He admired her for her intellect & the fact she proved the doctor massively wrong. He knew she was important to him & he wanted and need that at the time. But he is the one that watched her die. Fitting really as Matt Smiths doctor is so cautious with her
I like how the man who stutters manages to stave off the stutter for most of the episode but then gets it back at the end!!
This is perhaps the coolest, most original character arc in any TV show ever. I’m so glad they finished it.