20:59 giving a little bit of reverb to bring all the instruments in the same room was super helpful. Helped a lot on my actual recording. Thank you so much Pete !
Man, Pete, the opening strains of this tune totally put me in mind of latter days XTC, the instrumentation, and everything. I love it! But, then, I love pretty much every demo tune you do. Thank you!
For me, the Studer Tape emulator made the mix sound less cluttered. Despite being softer sounding, each instrument became more defined. That was mind blowing! The Ocean Wave was a great effect too.
the N4 AX 102 Tape with Cupwise will blow UAD and IK media away....LOL....its incredible, you need to get N4 with Acustica Audio..opens up a whole new world...or mixing and mastering
Luna is sic I’ve been using it since it’s release the sound quality is unreal do we need another daw hmmmm ? NEVE SUMMING IS ALL I WILL SAY .Luna is heads and shoulders above the rest as far as sound production, the quirks have to still be worked out ,but plugins and layout and ability to sound organic and full is unmatched. Your killing it Pete !
I found you last night while wandering the void. Glad I did. This vid gave me all kinds of helpfor a tune I"m working on. I don't have the gear you have, obviously (I'm using Studio One basic set up, no UA), but your tips are gold. Your drum taming and bass control through compression was just what I was looking for. That clean chorus tone is sick as well. Thank you for the help and much respect from the Bay Area. MK
I've been using LUNA since March on and off. It has a ways to go but the sound quality with the tape saturation and summing is stellar. Thanks for breaking down your recording process -- a lot of great info/tips I'm going to leverage. I think you sold me on Superior Drummer.
Hi Pete, have been following you for ages and this vid has been perfect as I’m setting up my home studio at the moment. Thank you for your awesome content and exceptional tunes you create. Rock on man.
I can see how much effort is in those videos involved. It's obviuos that you recorded them in day/night settings, and that little keyboard is there or not every second frame. Beside you're great musician/composer/player, you also tend to improve on those videos you giving us every week, and I am realy grateful for that. Thank you Pete Thorn, now go and do another one! :)
Great stuff, Pete. Couldn’t help but note your Mother Love Bone shirt in your cover with Toni. Great nod to Andy Wood and Chris. You’re the best brother.
WOW Pete... You are an artisan when it comes to Tone and the "real" 80's-90's guitar voicing and spectral imaging. So wonderful this video, where you go in depth with LUNA, but mainly your approach to plugins and mixing/mastering is fantastic. Thank you so much for sharing your ideas, knowledge and thoughts on what all us guitarists and 'nerds' use half a lifetime trying to get right!
@@bipolatelly9806 we're hoping its a "not for PC... yet". I imagine they are using the MacOS version to work out a lot of bug in the software before throwing Windows into the mix (haha... get it?)
Thanks for the great demo! I love LUNA, use it from scratch, electric and bassguitar though, i record through my Kemper via the UAD 4-710d. Acoustic guitars through the Zoom AC 3 and the 4-710d and the Neumann KM 184. I never could get a real good guitar sound through the guitar sim plug-ins from UAD unfortunately...Your guitar sound is awesome though...
I always wondered how you get such fantastic drum grooves (noted, I knew they were digital), but the fact that you click them yourself kinda blew my mind. I can't even fathom how to do that. I'm stumped on making drum tracks for my guitar stuff. Really pleased to see something like this. A little inside view of how you do your demo songs. They are genius.
The toontrack software makes it really simple to tap in a general idea of the feel you want and then it scans it's library for patterns similar to what you've played. You can grab any of those you want, edit them, mix and match. It's pretty easy unless your pattern idea is just a unique beast, which happens sometimes when you're trying to duplicate certain real drummer recordings.
This is a shot in the dark but you mentioned your DAW of choice has been logic for years... you wouldn’t happen to have lessons or instructional videos on logic would you? I write music and I use logic but can’t seem to get that “pop” in sound I’m looking for. Any help would be much appreciated! Thank you and you rock!
It'll be interesting to watch how this develops - UA are being very clever by giving away a full DAW if you buy one of their interfaces, but does the user want to be locked in to the UA platform? It's a shame there's no Windows version, otherwise it would tempt me enough to go with UA when I next upgrade my interface just to experience Luna. I question whether the market needs, or will support, another DAW, as the ProTools/Logic/Cubase thing is so widespread, and "knowing" your DAW means speed of operation, which is valuable to a professional user. Great demo as always!
Pete really enjoyed this video. I appreciate how you shared your recording workflow with the LUNA DAW. It looks like a very nice graphic interface especially for guitarists. One of my biggest struggles as a singer/player is developing a DAW workflow that simplifies getting to that creative point. That point where you spend less time navigating software but instead just play and create.
12:25 There it’s getting tricky with two line outputs from that stompbox to the two hi-z of the Apollo X ? Is it a line or a hi-z stereo output from that stompbox ? I thought a line signal. So those facts are puzzling me. How to make your guitar signal stereo hi-z ?
love your videos and your playing, @petethorn always so great, informative, musical...just perfect. looks like you have an imac there. very curious what imac you are using with your ua interfaces and with luna.
Wow - thanks Pete! I've been using Logic Pro X for the last few years and while I still have a ton to learn I can now have some fun making a decent sounding project. I'll be checking LUNA out.
Thanks Pete! Looks and sounds like a legitimate DAW. I will check them out. I have several plug-ins that I can already tell will work beautifully. The song is effing awesome! Your bass track is in the pocket, hell, you made that midi drum track groove brother! Cheers. o/
Cool video! I had not heard about LUNA before. Gotta check it out now. “I think was going for an 80’s sound meets 1979 by The Smashing Pumpkins.” YES! 👏
This is the best Luna demo. Beatiful composition and I love that half time switch. There’s one question I try to find. Can you record in A.R.M. Mode and use 3th party VST’s/AU at the same time ? I guess not ? Nobody’s talking ‘bout that.
Really like the tune! Man Pete is such a good writer ! Love the feel for tone he has ... Taking us through the process of recording is super interesting. Now do the same just with stock plug ins on logic ;) my guess: would be different but still very good just because of the playing ...anyway, looking forward to my apollo arriving today ;)
Great video. Pete, do you think a more basic UA Apollo Duo could handle all of that processing power with all those plugins and channel strips on at the same time? I feel like I would max out my resources immediately and honestly that’s keeping me from trying Luna a bit more extensively. Your recording sounds awesome by the way.
sweet thanks Pete I was asking if you could do a lesson like this the other day ! So when Arranging Do you start off with the drum Structure? I'm learning how to Organize My ideas and and trying not to get overwhelmed Writers Block.
In case you don't get a response…he was on a UA video yesterday and said he started out with finding the beginning guitar sound through the Boss pedal and figured out what musical idea he wanted to develop, played a bit of that into the box, and then figured out what sort of beat would work. Once the drums were fleshed out a bit he re-recorded the main idea and filled in the parts. Obviously he wanted to show a different side to the pedal midway through, so he restarted the process with a different drum and bass sound. For a demo it works really well!
Wow! That was most insightful...Q: you don't use any 12 - 16 ms delay between your double tracks (because of evtl. phasing issues)? Anyway! Great demo, Pete. Kudos & thanks 👏
Fantastic. I've wanted to see an overview of your demo recording process since I first discovered your channel. You answered many questions I had about the way you work on these pieces, as well as just giving a great tutorial in DAW workflow in general. I use Cubase and a different set of plugins, but every technique you showed here is applicable there. Another big thanks from me in Austin TX to you in LA, CA for your terrifically useful and info packed content.
Hi Pete, do you need a UA Audio Interface to use Luna or can you just buy the DAW on its own? I use my Axe-Fx III as my interface so don't need a UA one at the moment. Great tune Pete, thanks for showing us how you do it. Even with digital gear you are the Demo king haha
Mark Pritchard some of the things he is using here though are paid addons for Luna. The Neve summing is an additional cost. There are a few people that have been complaining about the price of it at 300$ but they don’t seem to put into perspective that it can be used on however many tracks you are running, the alternative is a real Neve console for $50K+, so to have it on as many tracks as you want, or your system will handle, really isn’t that bad. The only thing I’ve found so far that I will have to adjust to is that it is NOT compatible with VST, AU only. For me it isn’t a huge problem because I am currently switching my studio to Mac with the original intent of giving Logic an honest try but I think I’ll be happy to go the Luna path considering the integration with my UAD hardware
OK OK OK ...always have enjoyed the info you've shared. But you have even impressed me more with being hip to Fortelaza. Tequila. You know...if you take the label off - the bottle is etched with it's Mexican version name. Great stuff. Hard to get...still! LOL
Hey, don't know squat about all this stuff bud but interesting video thanks. while listening to your music I was hearing a wee bit Tim Peirce going on. respects to you Pete. stay healthy
Love, love, love the solo on your vintage Stratocaster, Pete - it fits the song so well and has great dynamics. I'm always so impressed how you are able to stay so creative and inventive. Also, what do think about the Status headphones? I've had mine now for three years and I love them.
It definitely sounds great, but I think I would be a bit overwhelmed by all the plug-ins. I'm still hung up on the old method of recording which is to get the guitars sounding right going in, and capture it with the best possible gear you can to get the best quality recording. I'm having difficulty letting go of that train of thought. However, the finalizing and Mastering does have a lot of appeal.
20:59 giving a little bit of reverb to bring all the instruments in the same room was super helpful. Helped a lot on my actual recording. Thank you so much Pete !
SO GOOD Pete! Thanks for taking the challenge and sharing your wizardry 🧙♂️
Thanks you guys!!
Love the leads, Pete, lot of feeling in those notes!
Love this sound! I'm a professional mixer for 20 years - this stuff really stands out!
That guitar chorus patch is killer! Total 80's Andy Summers kind of thing : )
Man, Pete, the opening strains of this tune totally put me in mind of latter days XTC, the instrumentation, and everything. I love it! But, then, I love pretty much every demo tune you do. Thank you!
I love XTC, I listened to Oranges And Lemons and Skylarking a lot in the 90’s
Pete Thorn Senses working overtime!
@@PeteThorn Mummer! Skylarking! Apple Venus!
For me, the Studer Tape emulator made the mix sound less cluttered. Despite being softer sounding, each instrument became more defined. That was mind blowing! The Ocean Wave was a great effect too.
the N4 AX 102 Tape with Cupwise will blow UAD and IK media away....LOL....its incredible, you need to get N4 with Acustica Audio..opens up a whole new world...or mixing and mastering
Pete, loving your channel thanks for the tips and help. You're an insperation to guitarist all over the world
TY for the video... I trying to move on Luna DAW... Like it a lot...!
Luna is sic I’ve been using it since it’s release the sound quality is unreal do we need another daw hmmmm ? NEVE SUMMING IS ALL I WILL SAY .Luna is heads and shoulders above the rest as far as sound production, the quirks have to still be worked out ,but plugins and layout and ability to sound organic and full is unmatched. Your killing it Pete !
What a great video Pete. Thank you.
Thanks!
Beautiful track , so cool how you pull things open with halftime grooves and cool changes. You are the dude !
Thanks man!
I found you last night while wandering the void. Glad I did. This vid gave me all kinds of helpfor a tune I"m working on. I don't have the gear you have, obviously (I'm using Studio One basic set up, no UA), but your tips are gold. Your drum taming and bass control through compression was just what I was looking for. That clean chorus tone is sick as well. Thank you for the help and much respect from the Bay Area.
MK
I've been using LUNA since March on and off. It has a ways to go but the sound quality with the tape saturation and summing is stellar. Thanks for breaking down your recording process -- a lot of great info/tips I'm going to leverage. I think you sold me on Superior Drummer.
Hi Pete, have been following you for ages and this vid has been perfect as I’m setting up my home studio at the moment. Thank you for your awesome content and exceptional tunes you create. Rock on man.
I can see how much effort is in those videos involved. It's obviuos that you recorded them in day/night settings, and that little keyboard is there or not every second frame. Beside you're great musician/composer/player, you also tend to improve on those videos you giving us every week, and I am realy grateful for that. Thank you Pete Thorn, now go and do another one! :)
Great stuff, Pete. Couldn’t help but note your Mother Love Bone shirt in your cover with Toni. Great nod to Andy Wood and Chris. You’re the best brother.
This song is the best 80's movie sound track that never got used. And, I mean this as an absolute compliment. John Hughes missed out.
Wuuu when you hit that Bx on the master it went Steely Dan reAL quick
WOW Pete... You are an artisan when it comes to Tone and the "real" 80's-90's guitar voicing and spectral imaging. So wonderful this video, where you go in depth with LUNA, but mainly your approach to plugins and mixing/mastering is fantastic. Thank you so much for sharing your ideas, knowledge and thoughts on what all us guitarists and 'nerds' use half a lifetime trying to get right!
Thank you!
I really want to switch to Luna for all my recording, just need UA to release it for PC... (hint hint UA)
Right....so not for PC.
As usual.
Dang!
@@bipolatelly9806 we're hoping its a "not for PC... yet". I imagine they are using the MacOS version to work out a lot of bug in the software before throwing Windows into the mix (haha... get it?)
With PC supporting Thunderbolt, I don't think that's too much of a stretch...!!!
Well, they’ve done it
I love that you understand the potency of software DSP. No wonder you're the best....
Amazing how FAST Pete makes these decisions and pulls things together amid so many options without getting rat-holed
...love to see your vids are back...always insightful, intuitive and always amazing stuff...cheers!
beautiful song!
Great stuff Pete . Thanks for the video
Thanks for the great demo! I love LUNA, use it from scratch, electric and bassguitar though, i record through my Kemper via the UAD 4-710d. Acoustic guitars through the Zoom AC 3 and the 4-710d and the Neumann KM 184. I never could get a real good guitar sound through the guitar sim plug-ins from UAD unfortunately...Your guitar sound is awesome though...
Great demo. A lot subtle settings but it all adds up to unified whole. Thanks for sharing.
Wow!!!! You’re videos are extremely well done and helpful. Thank you so much!!
The guitar tone at 21:50..check out Who's That Lady? - The Isley Brothers
I always wondered how you get such fantastic drum grooves (noted, I knew they were digital), but the fact that you click them yourself kinda blew my mind. I can't even fathom how to do that. I'm stumped on making drum tracks for my guitar stuff. Really pleased to see something like this. A little inside view of how you do your demo songs. They are genius.
The toontrack software makes it really simple to tap in a general idea of the feel you want and then it scans it's library for patterns similar to what you've played. You can grab any of those you want, edit them, mix and match. It's pretty easy unless your pattern idea is just a unique beast, which happens sometimes when you're trying to duplicate certain real drummer recordings.
Some of the beginning melodies reminded of Zappa. Well done!
This is a shot in the dark but you mentioned your DAW of choice has been logic for years... you wouldn’t happen to have lessons or instructional videos on logic would you? I write music and I use logic but can’t seem to get that “pop” in sound I’m looking for. Any help would be much appreciated! Thank you and you rock!
So much for us P/C guys.... It did sound good Pete
Thanks for that Pete... sounds great.
It'll be interesting to watch how this develops - UA are being very clever by giving away a full DAW if you buy one of their interfaces, but does the user want to be locked in to the UA platform? It's a shame there's no Windows version, otherwise it would tempt me enough to go with UA when I next upgrade my interface just to experience Luna. I question whether the market needs, or will support, another DAW, as the ProTools/Logic/Cubase thing is so widespread, and "knowing" your DAW means speed of operation, which is valuable to a professional user. Great demo as always!
It's all the former devs and others from Avid that designed it. But yes, do we need another DAW?
Bitchin Track Pete.
Pete really enjoyed this video. I appreciate how you shared your recording workflow with the LUNA DAW. It looks like a very nice graphic interface especially for guitarists. One of my biggest struggles as a singer/player is developing a DAW workflow that simplifies getting to that creative point. That point where you spend less time navigating software but instead just play and create.
The B15n is great pushing hard too. Crank the volume and it’s all of a sudden a metal bass amp. I really love your signature amp as well as Engle svs.
Awesome video Pete.
12:25 There it’s getting tricky with two line outputs from that stompbox to the two hi-z of the Apollo X ? Is it a line or a hi-z stereo output from that stompbox ? I thought a line signal. So those facts are puzzling me. How to make your guitar signal stereo hi-z ?
love your videos and your playing, @petethorn always so great, informative, musical...just perfect. looks like you have an imac there. very curious what imac you are using with your ua interfaces and with luna.
Great job Pete. Recently purchased an Apollo x8p so this is very helpful in determining if I should add Luna to the mix.
Wow - thanks Pete! I've been using Logic Pro X for the last few years and while I still have a ton to learn I can now have some fun making a decent sounding project. I'll be checking LUNA out.
this is really helpful! thanks so much Pete!
Nice video and nice DAW! How you explain is very natural, keep it up! Greetings
No surprise, another awesome gear demo.
Hi Pete Love it ;-) just wondering do you use a control surface for mixing? If so which one? Cheers ;-)
Love this - it took me back to some 80s TV shows 😀
Thanks Pete! Looks and sounds like a legitimate DAW. I will check them out. I have several plug-ins that I can already tell will work beautifully. The song is effing awesome! Your bass track is in the pocket, hell, you made that midi drum track groove brother! Cheers. o/
Cool video! I had not heard about LUNA before. Gotta check it out now. “I think was going for an 80’s sound meets 1979 by The Smashing Pumpkins.” YES! 👏
This is the best Luna demo. Beatiful composition and I love that half time switch. There’s one question I try to find. Can you record in A.R.M. Mode and use 3th party VST’s/AU at the same time ? I guess not ? Nobody’s talking ‘bout that.
No. You can’t use third-party plug-ins while tracking with ARM. But you can use them in the other mode and when you mix
Wow 😳. All of his Guitar tones are us unreal!
Sounds great!
the GW Mix Centric is really nice...probably waves best plugin outside of RVoX
very good insight on your process, I find it even more interesting than the tools. thanks for sharing =D
I love the early 80s english Indie feeling that you start out with in the song.Very good sound overall.
Perfect playing, overeffected sound, great track! Thanks!
great production based content Pete!
Thanks! More to come
Really like the tune! Man Pete is such a good writer ! Love the feel for tone he has ... Taking us through the process of recording is super interesting. Now do the same just with stock plug ins on logic ;) my guess: would be different but still very good just because of the playing ...anyway, looking forward to my apollo arriving today ;)
Thanks!
Great video. Pete, do you think a more basic UA Apollo Duo could handle all of that processing power with all those plugins and channel strips on at the same time? I feel like I would max out my resources immediately and honestly that’s keeping me from trying Luna a bit more extensively. Your recording sounds awesome by the way.
You might need an accelerator to do this session, with an Apollo Twin I got one awhile back for my Duo.
@@PeteThorn Thanks man!
Thanks so much for making this video! Always wondered how you approached your music itb.
Been noticing lately that a lot of people are wanting the 80s sound again. Music was better then, not just the sound. Gotta have both
Bob Katz has a "signature" UA plugin... You're in good company!
@PeteThorn - Do you have any presets available for any of the Steven Slate plugins you enjoy using?! 😎
Well done! I learned a lot!
Even, if the products may not be of interest for me, I look Your videos only to hear Your wonderful songs. Always Great!
sweet thanks Pete I was asking if you could do a lesson like this the other day ! So when Arranging Do you start off with the drum Structure? I'm learning how to Organize My ideas and and trying not to get overwhelmed Writers Block.
In case you don't get a response…he was on a UA video yesterday and said he started out with finding the beginning guitar sound through the Boss pedal and figured out what musical idea he wanted to develop, played a bit of that into the box, and then figured out what sort of beat would work. Once the drums were fleshed out a bit he re-recorded the main idea and filled in the parts. Obviously he wanted to show a different side to the pedal midway through, so he restarted the process with a different drum and bass sound. For a demo it works really well!
I really like Luna. I’m on the fence on the Neve Summing. $299 seems a little much. Great job.
It does add a lot!
Wow! That was most insightful...Q: you don't use any 12 - 16 ms delay between your double tracks (because of evtl. phasing issues)? Anyway! Great demo, Pete. Kudos & thanks 👏
So easy... might have to change to my whole studio! Thanks Pete... you Rock!
Pete What is a your configuration on Mac ?
All I have to say is THANK YOU for sharing your knowledge and your processes. This is so valuable/helpful.
Thanks Jay!
Fantastic. I've wanted to see an overview of your demo recording process since I first discovered your channel. You answered many questions I had about the way you work on these pieces, as well as just giving a great tutorial in DAW workflow in general. I use Cubase and a different set of plugins, but every technique you showed here is applicable there. Another big thanks from me in Austin TX to you in LA, CA for your terrifically useful and info packed content.
wow this was a great vid. learned a lot thanks.💯💯💯💯💯💯
Hi Pete, do you need a UA Audio Interface to use Luna or can you just buy the DAW on its own? I use my Axe-Fx III as my interface so don't need a UA one at the moment.
Great tune Pete, thanks for showing us how you do it. Even with digital gear you are the Demo king haha
You need an interface to use it (it's free with a UA interface).
Oh okay, thanks Jay.
Mark Pritchard some of the things he is using here though are paid addons for Luna. The Neve summing is an additional cost. There are a few people that have been complaining about the price of it at 300$ but they don’t seem to put into perspective that it can be used on however many tracks you are running, the alternative is a real Neve console for $50K+, so to have it on as many tracks as you want, or your system will handle, really isn’t that bad.
The only thing I’ve found so far that I will have to adjust to is that it is NOT compatible with VST, AU only. For me it isn’t a huge problem because I am currently switching my studio to Mac with the original intent of giving Logic an honest try but I think I’ll be happy to go the Luna path considering the integration with my UAD hardware
very cool
Really interested in how much you're using LUNA in conjunction with/comparison to LOGIC.
OK OK OK ...always have enjoyed the info you've shared. But you have even impressed me more with being hip to Fortelaza. Tequila. You know...if you take the label off - the bottle is etched with it's Mexican version name. Great stuff. Hard to get...still! LOL
where is part 2 of Bob Clearmoutain?
Coming soon! The staff video editor has to get to work (that’s me)
Hey, don't know squat about all this stuff bud but interesting video thanks. while listening to your music I was hearing a wee bit Tim Peirce going on. respects to you Pete. stay healthy
Hi PT Great video so what is the model of the Red Suhr Guitar. Thnx keep up the hood work. God bless you
Pete, since you have the Fryette Power Station, could you do a demo, or a review on that unit? Thanks!!
Is it possible to record a track on Luna using a plugin preamp and maybe a compressor actually printing into the track?
I’d be usin it, but no pc version...
Thanks for the video Pete! Very inspiring, I have your amp plugin and an Apollo but I'm a PC guy. ☹️
Nice Pete!
Pete,have you ever tried Mixbus? If you like that warm sound coming straight out of a DAW, than i think you would also love Mixbus!
Went down another Pete Thorn gear demo rabbit hole..aka Thornhub.
You make it look so easy 👌😎
On top of just a great musician and these awesome videos, this dude is just so humble cool!
Thank u sir!
It also helps that you are a awesome player
I really enjoyed the video, Pete. It almost comes across as a tutorial rather than simply a demonstration.
Thanks! I wish I could’ve focused a little more on each aspect but as it is the video was 30 minutes long! Hopefully it’s a good overview
@@PeteThorn - It is, indeed. Thank you.
Love, love, love the solo on your vintage Stratocaster, Pete - it fits the song so well and has great dynamics. I'm always so impressed how you are able to stay so creative and inventive. Also, what do think about the Status headphones? I've had mine now for three years and I love them.
Thanks!
That strat tone blew my mind.
It definitely sounds great, but I think I would be a bit overwhelmed by all the plug-ins. I'm still hung up on the old method of recording which is to get the guitars sounding right going in, and capture it with the best possible gear you can to get the best quality recording. I'm having difficulty letting go of that train of thought. However, the finalizing and Mastering does have a lot of appeal.
You can still, and really should, work that way! I do!
6:07 Drum track sounds like - LIvin in the WILD WILD WEST !
It sounds like halfway between Logic and Harrison Mixbus. I like it though!
Looks intriguing. This doesn’t look too much different than Cakewalk by Bandlab.
I own CKW by Bandlab...for free and it works fine, indeed!
I installed on Win 10 the computer just crashes . to download took 1 week. whey cant download like andy other software, npt via there downlod system