he first turned into a KlingORC with genetic engineering , then re-infected with augment Virus that made him look human , then eventually restored to a proper Klingon look
Honestly, the transition of Klingons from generic bad guys to Federation allies (that the Federation never quite sees eye-to-eye with but can find common ground to stand beside) might actually be the best arc in TV history. Lots of series have had heel-face turns, but few can claim one that's been set up over decades.
TOS , T NG. Klingons are the real deal. Discovery Klingons are.the joke of the galaxy. I wonder how the Klingon crews reacted when Picard said " Shall we die together?" L can see those Klingons getting trigger happy , and eager to start a fight.Then the.Romulans decide to flee.
At the beginning, the Klingon Kor was played by the late Canadian actor John Colicos (with fellow Canadians William Shatner and James Doohan). John Colicos was a villain in another Sci-Fi series- Battlestar Galactica (the original series). He played Count Baltar and Lorne Greene-another Canadian- played Adama (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Colicos).
+xGoodOldSmurfehx *haters gonna hate, yall are a minority tho i hear alot of good things about Discovery so lol to you :D* Why do you have to fill this comment section with lies?
+frostmagemarii how are facts lies? the truth is Discovery is refreshing to alot of non-trekkies including myself (i like SOME Star Trek stuff but i dont consider myself an actual trekkie) your disapproval is not factual and does not means you are correct about my statements or Discovery's popularity i still think Enterprise was the better show tho but hey
The "Oh, shit!" expression on the Romulan commander's face realizing he now not only has to deal with the Enterprise but also 3 Klingon Birds of Prey, 2 of which are in his warships' deadzones- priceless. For everything else, there's Mastercard.
Leadership changed with the klingons. Gorkon initiated peace talks with the federation, this was shown in star trek generations. Kirk encounters evil klingons mostly but there are good ones such as gorkons and worfs families.
The funny thing is that the Romulans are probably more like the Federation than the Klingons. The Romulans are very focused on science and exploration, they also like to solve problems through indirect methods.
I love another episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine where General Martock worf and Kor we're having an argument about fighting against The Dominion! Or was that the search for the Sword Of KayLes!
You know, first ever seeing Picard I judged the books cover thinking he's smart but too soft. Then he goes and plays who's frisky biscuits are bigger than who's and proves me wrong.
Super Heroes Characters and the message it was conveying regarding cultural integration was executed beautifully. The movies were way better than the TNG rubbish too! But TOS's Mirror Mirror has never been matched by any other Trek and will always be my fave
Super Heroes They were superb too. Colicos was the brains behind the Klingons' look. Me modelled them after Ghengis Khan. City On Edge was good too. There are many good eps there. Day Of Dove brill too. Love when Ansara reprises his Klingon role in Voyager's 'Flashback' and DS9 as well
sander895 Ikr. I understand why the TOS Klingon design was crap, it was the 60s, who cares about effects then. TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT Klingons look the best, and are what people think of when you say "Klingon". Fuck knows why they changed them again in Discovery, good luck explaining that in canon. See, in Enterprise, set in the late 2200s, we see the Klingons using the augment virus, turning them into what we saw in TOS, but Discovery in set in between Enterprise and TOS, so what happened to them?
Vladimir Kool-Aid I would like an explaination too but the truth is that this show has no respect what so ever for canon. What we see in Discovery is too futuristic for it's time period, and yes a lot of people say it's because we are in the 21st century now and we can do a lot more Special Effects wise, but if we look at 90s Star Trek and even Star Trek Enterprise where special effects were already a thing, we see that they had a lot of respect to what had come before and like you said Enterprise even gave an answer to why the klingons looked like they did in TOS. But in all, Star Trek Discovery should just go down the toilet and another Star Trek after Voyager should be created or maybe one about the Romulan War that was set for season 5 of Enterprise. What we got until Enterprise is still something we should treasure within our hearts, because I don't think modern TV will take those kinds of risks anymore like they used to.
@@Hekser Regarding Enterprise they even told all their artist to try to make the ships look visually "old" and "outdated" compared TOS. That's how you do a sequel that visually doesn't interfer with Canon.
When I saw the STD Klingons, I immediately thought of the Wing Commander movie Kilrathi. Damn, now they remind me of the Star Citizen Vanduul, just lamer - but same clichée.
@@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870 To me, Enterprise looks even more futuristic compared to the original series, but it does look like the tech is outdated by the time Next Generation comes around (meaning TOS needs an update on its visual style to be more advanced than ENT but less advance than TNG). Discovery threw me off, as the tech used on the ship is a bit more advanced than TNG, which puts it in the wrong timeframe. Now, the Enterprise in DSC looks visually impressive, albeit still a bit more advanced than TNG. Of course, this is just my opinion.
I thought a cool idea for Discovery would have been two or three decades after the end of the Dominion War. The Klingon Empire has joined the Federation. Starfleet has become more militarized under their direction, justified thanks to the fear of another Dominion War and a retaliatory strike from the Borg, utilizing the future tech taken from future Janeway's assimilation... But just as the Borg were about to win, they retreated. There is no sign of them. Contacts with the Delta Quadrant reveal that they have vanished from the galaxy. At the same time, distortions have appeared in the mysterious galactic barrier. Enter the USS Discovery, the first Starfleet vessel designed for exploration in years, and the first to be equipped with the perfected slipstream drive. They embark to learn the secrets of the galactic edge and find out where the Borg have gone to. The pilot could have opened with a speech from Federation President Jean-Luc Picard, emphasizing the importance of Starfleet's original scientific directive. There'd also be a memorial for the anniversary of Spock's disappearance after her failed to save Romulus, doubling as a memorial for Leonard Nimoy. Plot points could involve the origins of subspace, extragalactic threats and wonders, seeing how the Romulans fare with the loss of their homeworld... And the merger with the Klingon Empire would allow for more Klingon characters in Starfleet. Perhaps throw a twist in with a full-blooded Klingon science officer.
Some hardcore trekkie nerd correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel that if the Enterprise had used warp engine power to bolster the shields and do what they did in that one episode with the feedback wave, having the three klingon warbirds at maximum firepower and rapid-fire all the torpedoes Picard had, they would have survived two Birds of Prey long enough to win. You have two birds of prey against the Enterprise's mega shields vs all four other ships coordinating attacks on a single romulan vessel until it explodes. This wasn't a double KO, this was genius out-maneuvering and would've resulted in one seriously damaged, but still intact Enterprise and two destroyed Birds of Prey with a very high-up Romulan captain out of the picture.
If you actually paid attention to Star Trek, you would know that winning battles and killing enemies is not the Federations goal. Much preferable to avoid fighting and convince old enemies to become new allies, exactly like the Klingons did. Destroying the warbirds does not further that goal.
I assume you're talking about using the main deflector dish like they did in Best of Both Worlds? If I recall correctly, that took a good bit of preparation to set up AND it took their dish (essential for safe interstellar travel) out of commission for a good number of hours afterward. Extremely risky when you're on the edge of hostile territory and would almost certainly have additional damage to attend to before you would be able to retreat to safer space.
***** i meant it more in the sense that if you think something is impossible , its likely you wont do anything to make it happen, even though maybe it could have been possible.. kinda like that episode in ds9 when the mutants first met bashir and they predicted a lof of stuff, and they also predicted the federation could never win the war vs the dominion without 2/3 of the quadrant dying, but bashir proved them wrong :)
Yavin1v That was a great episode in DS9.The "mutants" were actually genetically engineered people to be 'super-intelligent'. Doctor Bashir happened to be one that didn't go insane by the that.
@@chrisbarrett2117 no, in the final episode "All good things" the future Enterprise decloaks and approaches two hostile Klingon ships from directly beneath, destroying g one, and heavily damaging the other.
Because all starships must stay aligned with the galactic plane for warp drive to function - the field polarizers have to remain aligned with the direction of galactic frame dragging to generate a stable warp bubble.
The parallels Roddenberry constructed between the Star Trek Universe and our reality are interesting, if you are making the comparison between the Klingons & the Russians, and between the Romulans & the Chinese.
And the TNG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise" in which it becomes clear that somewhere between the treaty and TNG the Enterprise C was lost while defending a Klingon colony from a Romulan attack. This caused an attitude shift to the Federation as a possible Klingon ally
From "Enemies to Allies" - Niet! Is that how you spell it in Russian? Neit.. niet.. knee-it!! When I am allowed to make money again and run business.. than I'll think about it!
You are naive Islamic or any religious doctrine that requires unquestionable faith is forced to expand at the cost of those around it This is why the klingons and federation found peace. Their ideologies were not based on a unquestionable faith to an abstract deity In other words, Islam and all other religions need to be totally mocked out of existence
I would say hope so, but in reality, both cultures are s far apart from eachother it would be insanely hard. This may sound messed up, but there is a reason why ccp does what they do to them. They think its easier then coexisting would be
@@VwapTrader People of low intelligence aren't smart enough to think for themselves and adjust their own views. All mocking does is make them dig their heels in.
There’s only a war with the Prince of Funky ..!How do u go from an enemy to an Ali ...? What?I have enemies ... yes it’s true ... I like having my enemies ... they will never be my Allies ... who is Alley ..?
"Shall we die together?" All the Klingons listening in on that instantly granted Picard honor status!
They view Romulans as Cowardly Scum lacking honor anyway so when they refused to fight the eye rolls could be heard all the way back to Qo'nos.
Master level diplomacy. Use the Klingons as an argumentation help but while talking to the Romulans he's also talking to the Klingons.
That and the fifty other badassed things he did for them.
I seriously respect how even back in the 60s they had plans for the Federation and the Klingons to become allies.
well, anti war mentality was something they wanted to preach the entire time in the 60s...
Cracks me up when the phrase " No one wants war" is said by Kirk and the Klingon captain looks at him as if to say "speak for yourself human!" Lol
Kor always wants to fight. He died a true Klingon.
@@mikahael1 He is the Da'har master after all
the klingon in the first clip is Kor, who later appeared in DS9, played by the same actor but with the TNG cranial ridge makeup.
Surgically restored! (Of course! He was an Augment victim, after all!)
he first turned into a KlingORC with genetic engineering , then re-infected with augment Virus that made him look human , then eventually restored to a proper Klingon look
Sounds LIKE a plan!
Never make that makeup remark when a Klingon is present.
As well as the original Baltar on BSG, FWIW
Worf on the bridge sporting a Starfleet uniform is already a very valid proof.
The greatest arc in TV history.
Honestly, the transition of Klingons from generic bad guys to Federation allies (that the Federation never quite sees eye-to-eye with but can find common ground to stand beside) might actually be the best arc in TV history.
Lots of series have had heel-face turns, but few can claim one that's been set up over decades.
Andreas Katsulas, one of the finest Sci-Fi actors of his generation. RIP
AKA G'Kar!
Andreas katsulas
TOS , T NG. Klingons are the real deal. Discovery Klingons are.the joke of the galaxy. I wonder how the Klingon crews reacted when Picard said " Shall we die together?" L can see those Klingons getting trigger happy , and eager to start a fight.Then the.Romulans decide to flee.
At the beginning, the Klingon Kor was played by the late Canadian actor John Colicos (with fellow Canadians William Shatner and James Doohan). John Colicos was a villain in another Sci-Fi series- Battlestar Galactica (the original series). He played Count Baltar and Lorne Greene-another Canadian- played Adama (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Colicos).
@@stephanprimeau6150 also Quinn in war of the worlds tv series 1
0:35 That awesome moment when the klingons got your back.
the actor who portrayed Tomalok did a superb job
He was amazing in Babylon 5
@@krim7 RIP Andreas Katsulas. A masterful performer in any franchise.
@@InquisitiveEngineer RIP 😥
Picard is a mad lad. Absolute legend
Still a better Klingon design than the one in Discovery.
i thought it was called Star Trek: Discovery?
haters gonna hate, yall are a minority tho i hear alot of good things about Discovery so lol to you :D
+Manek Iridius i prefer the klingons in Discovery, they look less human and more warlike/savage and thats exactly what i like about them :)
+xGoodOldSmurfehx
*haters gonna hate, yall are a minority tho i hear alot of good things about Discovery so lol to you :D*
Why do you have to fill this comment section with lies?
+frostmagemarii how are facts lies? the truth is Discovery is refreshing to alot of non-trekkies including myself (i like SOME Star Trek stuff but i dont consider myself an actual trekkie)
your disapproval is not factual and does not means you are correct about my statements or Discovery's popularity
i still think Enterprise was the better show tho but hey
If you actually like STD then you aren't the type of fans we want liking star trek.
The "Oh, shit!" expression on the Romulan commander's face realizing he now not only has to deal with the Enterprise but also 3 Klingon Birds of Prey, 2 of which are in his warships' deadzones- priceless. For everything else, there's Mastercard.
See, I always liked Klingons, they do have honor and make great allies.
Leadership changed with the klingons. Gorkon initiated peace talks with the federation, this was shown in star trek generations. Kirk encounters evil klingons mostly but there are good ones such as gorkons and worfs families.
Matt Mcgrath actually Gorkin established peace talks in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
This the first Klingon-Mexican stand off.
Not the first Mexican stand off!
Star Trek's Cold War.
The funny thing is that the Romulans are probably more like the Federation than the Klingons. The Romulans are very focused on science and exploration, they also like to solve problems through indirect methods.
I love errand of mercy, when i wrote my screenplay Kor, Kang, and Koloth were in it!
I love another episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine where General Martock worf and Kor we're having an argument about fighting against The Dominion! Or was that the search for the Sword Of KayLes!
You know, first ever seeing Picard I judged the books cover thinking he's smart but too soft.
Then he goes and plays who's frisky biscuits are bigger than who's and proves me wrong.
Then he goes and plays who is frisky biscuits are bigger than who is and proves me wrong.
Too perfect. Original & Next Gen. Trek's 2 finest. Followed then by DS9 and Enterprise
Super Heroes I admit, DS9 & TNG are pretty much as good as each other. Different reasons. But TOS is on top of em all
Super Heroes Characters and the message it was conveying regarding cultural integration was executed beautifully. The movies were way better than the TNG rubbish too! But TOS's Mirror Mirror has never been matched by any other Trek and will always be my fave
Super Heroes They were superb too. Colicos was the brains behind the Klingons' look. Me modelled them after Ghengis Khan. City On Edge was good too. There are many good eps there. Day Of Dove brill too. Love when Ansara reprises his Klingon role in Voyager's 'Flashback' and DS9 as well
VOYAGER
Voyager was my least fave Trek....
:51-When you've made Gkar go "oh shit."
Just trying to imagine the laughter on the klingon ships' bridges as the romulans run away.
Ooohhh, that stand off when the Klingons appeared made the hairs on my neck stand up...
And then all klingon design went down the Discovery toilet...
sander895 Ikr. I understand why the TOS Klingon design was crap, it was the 60s, who cares about effects then. TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT Klingons look the best, and are what people think of when you say "Klingon". Fuck knows why they changed them again in Discovery, good luck explaining that in canon. See, in Enterprise, set in the late 2200s, we see the Klingons using the augment virus, turning them into what we saw in TOS, but Discovery in set in between Enterprise and TOS, so what happened to them?
Vladimir Kool-Aid I would like an explaination too but the truth is that this show has no respect what so ever for canon. What we see in Discovery is too futuristic for it's time period, and yes a lot of people say it's because we are in the 21st century now and we can do a lot more Special Effects wise, but if we look at 90s Star Trek and even Star Trek Enterprise where special effects were already a thing, we see that they had a lot of respect to what had come before and like you said Enterprise even gave an answer to why the klingons looked like they did in TOS. But in all, Star Trek Discovery should just go down the toilet and another Star Trek after Voyager should be created or maybe one about the Romulan War that was set for season 5 of Enterprise. What we got until Enterprise is still something we should treasure within our hearts, because I don't think modern TV will take those kinds of risks anymore like they used to.
@@Hekser Regarding Enterprise they even told all their artist to try to make the ships look visually "old" and "outdated" compared TOS.
That's how you do a sequel that visually doesn't interfer with Canon.
When I saw the STD Klingons, I immediately thought of the Wing Commander movie Kilrathi.
Damn, now they remind me of the Star Citizen Vanduul, just lamer - but same clichée.
@@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870 To me, Enterprise looks even more futuristic compared to the original series, but it does look like the tech is outdated by the time Next Generation comes around (meaning TOS needs an update on its visual style to be more advanced than ENT but less advance than TNG). Discovery threw me off, as the tech used on the ship is a bit more advanced than TNG, which puts it in the wrong timeframe. Now, the Enterprise in DSC looks visually impressive, albeit still a bit more advanced than TNG.
Of course, this is just my opinion.
intriguing
If I was Romulan I would wait a little till Klingons fly away and destroyed that circle with nacelles finally
GREAT point\counterpoint.
history should never bee changed
later in the future the klingons will be part of the federation
It would be badass to see Federaton ships with Klingon Technology in the 26th or 27th century.
EarthHound The future Klingons in the Federation could have been the story of STD, but instead it's the past
I thought a cool idea for Discovery would have been two or three decades after the end of the Dominion War. The Klingon Empire has joined the Federation. Starfleet has become more militarized under their direction, justified thanks to the fear of another Dominion War and a retaliatory strike from the Borg, utilizing the future tech taken from future Janeway's assimilation...
But just as the Borg were about to win, they retreated. There is no sign of them. Contacts with the Delta Quadrant reveal that they have vanished from the galaxy. At the same time, distortions have appeared in the mysterious galactic barrier. Enter the USS Discovery, the first Starfleet vessel designed for exploration in years, and the first to be equipped with the perfected slipstream drive. They embark to learn the secrets of the galactic edge and find out where the Borg have gone to.
The pilot could have opened with a speech from Federation President Jean-Luc Picard, emphasizing the importance of Starfleet's original scientific directive. There'd also be a memorial for the anniversary of Spock's disappearance after her failed to save Romulus, doubling as a memorial for Leonard Nimoy.
Plot points could involve the origins of subspace, extragalactic threats and wonders, seeing how the Romulans fare with the loss of their homeworld... And the merger with the Klingon Empire would allow for more Klingon characters in Starfleet. Perhaps throw a twist in with a full-blooded Klingon science officer.
WHY HASN'T CBS HIRED YOU?
only true problem with that script is the books pretty much continue, and the Borg are taken care of, among many other things really
I may not have any friends but no one has power over me.
Before the Organians forced them to make peace, they were going to have a big space battle. " It would have been glorious." Kor
Qapla!!!
Some hardcore trekkie nerd correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel that if the Enterprise had used warp engine power to bolster the shields and do what they did in that one episode with the feedback wave, having the three klingon warbirds at maximum firepower and rapid-fire all the torpedoes Picard had, they would have survived two Birds of Prey long enough to win. You have two birds of prey against the Enterprise's mega shields vs all four other ships coordinating attacks on a single romulan vessel until it explodes. This wasn't a double KO, this was genius out-maneuvering and would've resulted in one seriously damaged, but still intact Enterprise and two destroyed Birds of Prey with a very high-up Romulan captain out of the picture.
If you actually paid attention to Star Trek, you would know that winning battles and killing enemies is not the Federations goal. Much preferable to avoid fighting and convince old enemies to become new allies, exactly like the Klingons did. Destroying the warbirds does not further that goal.
I assume you're talking about using the main deflector dish like they did in Best of Both Worlds? If I recall correctly, that took a good bit of preparation to set up AND it took their dish (essential for safe interstellar travel) out of commission for a good number of hours afterward. Extremely risky when you're on the edge of hostile territory and would almost certainly have additional damage to attend to before you would be able to retreat to safer space.
I was unaware that twelve Klingons constituted a swarm.
Better end would have been the Klingons and the Federation in the Dominion war.
seeing the Federation-Klingon fleet flying together to kick Dominion ass is still the best moment in Star Trek history
How dare you stop us from warring with each other, HOW DARE YOU?
He is Kor! The D’har Master!
I just cross ref the Actor. Why did I not recognize Tomalok's voice. It's G'Kar.
There will be no peace in our time...
not with that attitude you wont
Yavin1v What attitude? My sarcasm?
*****
i meant it more in the sense that if you think something is impossible , its likely you wont do anything to make it happen, even though maybe it could have been possible.. kinda like that episode in ds9 when the mutants first met bashir and they predicted a lof of stuff, and they also predicted the federation could never win the war vs the dominion without 2/3 of the quadrant dying, but bashir proved them wrong :)
Yavin1v That was a great episode in DS9.The "mutants" were actually genetically engineered people to be 'super-intelligent'. Doctor Bashir happened to be one that didn't go insane by the that.
"Once more unto the breach...dear friends. daGHba, daGHbe!"
Why are ships always on the same plane and orientation when encountering each other, it suggests two dimensional thinking
If the 2 ships are pointed at each other In space it will always look like there on the same axis because there facing each other on the same line.
@@steadyjumper3547 but they ALWAYS approach this way, everytime every scene
Or simply cinematography to frame a shot.
But yeah, they’re not floating on an ocean.
@@chrisbarrett2117 no, in the final episode "All good things" the future Enterprise decloaks and approaches two hostile Klingon ships from directly beneath, destroying g one, and heavily damaging the other.
Because all starships must stay aligned with the galactic plane for warp drive to function - the field polarizers have to remain aligned with the direction of galactic frame dragging to generate a stable warp bubble.
The parallels Roddenberry constructed between the Star Trek Universe and our reality are interesting, if you are making the comparison between the Klingons & the Russians, and between the Romulans & the Chinese.
A Martok and Sisko clip would have been better.
The Klingon-Federation War. not exactly friends.
But better than enemies.
I know who u r Mike ..?!!!
I eat this shit up.
Why didn't the Organians stop the Dominion War?
No one else like the video even if you do dislike until it gets to 69
WHEN did the Klingons peace out with the Federation anyways? Feels like that should’ve been important as an origin TNG episode.
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country.
See here: ua-cam.com/video/rW9WGibEF04/v-deo.html
And the TNG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise" in which it becomes clear that somewhere between the treaty and TNG the Enterprise C was lost while defending a Klingon colony from a Romulan attack. This caused an attitude shift to the Federation as a possible Klingon ally
From "Enemies to Allies" - Niet! Is that how you spell it in Russian? Neit.. niet.. knee-it!!
When I am allowed to make money again and run business.. than I'll think about it!
Maybe Islamic ideology and Western ideology will achieve a similar peace in the future.
You are naive
Islamic or any religious doctrine that requires unquestionable faith is forced to expand at the cost of those around it
This is why the klingons and federation found peace. Their ideologies were not based on a unquestionable faith to an abstract deity
In other words, Islam and all other religions need to be totally mocked out of existence
@@VwapTrader another atheist asswipe.
I would say hope so, but in reality, both cultures are s far apart from eachother it would be insanely hard. This may sound messed up, but there is a reason why ccp does what they do to them. They think its easier then coexisting would be
@@VwapTrader hmm, another zelot atheist jerk. you are truely showing your religious doctrine of unquestionable faith to the other cultures
@@VwapTrader People of low intelligence aren't smart enough to think for themselves and adjust their own views. All mocking does is make them dig their heels in.
There’s only a war with the Prince of Funky ..!How do u go from an enemy to an Ali ...? What?I have enemies ... yes it’s true ... I like having my enemies ... they will never be my Allies ... who is Alley ..?
Ally!