We took our Energica Ribelles to the track!
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- Опубліковано 21 тра 2022
- Electric motorcycles have come so far in such a short time. These are the best models you can buy right now, so we wanted to see what they were like on a race track. Full torque all the time!
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🏍 Bike: 2022 Energica Eva Ribelle RS (21.5kWh battery)
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One of the weird things for me riding electric was the sounds missing. I really did rely on the pitch of the engine to know how fast I was going in whatever gear. I had no idea I did this until that sound was missing. I had to re-learn how to gauge velocity, and to do it correctly this time. You know, with my eyes.
Interesting! Vibration adds to the experience, too. I guess the more sensory cues you have, the better you can judge your speed. But take all those away and I feel like it gets way simpler.
I've had so many bikes over the years with so many different exhaust notes that I don't even really pay attention to the sound. Maybe that's why when I test road a few electric bikes I never had any issue because most of the time I was just listening to the wind noise to figure out how fast I was going.
@@custommotor Yea I came here to make nearly the same comment. I've always seemed to rely not just on visual cues but also (forget the name for this) many of the other senses people kinda forget we have. Like the ability to sense motion/balance, ability to sense you body's position in space etc. Never really noticed engine noise as a cue. Also how to cyclists do that, that would be a silly question to a cyclist, "how do you know when to break if you don't have an engine?" lol
Well, it should be the same, the noise raises in frequency with speed, except it's not tied with a specific gear, so it's direct.
Maybe you can get the idea, even if it's harder.
Great stuff! Really get to know & understand your bike is on a track! Just remember, your electric motorcycles are the Ducatis of electricity. Those V4 Ducatis do sound incredible, but your bikes are way cooler!🇮🇹 Excellent video NZL!
Thanks Steve! Fancy Italians love the track 😁
It's great to see young riders blown away by the electric bikes, it will spread the word and encourage further people to move to these bikes or at least consider electric as an option.
Yeah man! I'm glad their first experience riding electric motorcycles was on the best bikes available.
One of my favorites vids of yours. Loved it. Great info and details. The juice was worth the squeeze. Thanks guys!
Thanks so much! Next time I promise to show more track footage and less pit randomness haha.
It’s good to see you back on track, thank you for this nice video... full charge, full power !!!
Cheers man! I can't wait to go back. There's another track day in August and I will be there!
Keep up the amazing content. Big Smiles watching you two haveing so much fun at the track!
Cheers bro!
Depth perception and courage is the best description of good cornering technique for experienced bikers.
😂 thanks!
thats awesome that you guys got to experience Manfield Raceway, and what a ride back to wellington that wouldve been after such a day. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for watching! I can't wait to get back on the track asap.
It will be interesting to see how charging at tracks ends up shaking out over time. In the US it is rather common to see RV charging hookups in track paddocks, which are usually like a 24 amp level 2 or thereabouts . . . which is convenient when I bring the Brammo to the track, but there probably won't be any DC fast charging to be found anywhere.
Yeah, absolutely. I think even an RV socket should give enough juice to top up between sessions. Next time I'm definitely riding out to the DC station at lunch. Need more power!!
Biggest problem in Australia is tracks being ripped up for soul crushing suburban housing. But there's a couple of 22 kW AC chargers at most tracks here.
When we do track days on the Energica we bring a 6kWh DC charger with us, plugs into a standard 30A 240V socket. Not a inexpensive solution but it cuts charge times in half. It will be interesting to see if/how racetracks integrate DC charging infrastructure in the future.
@@Demoni696 nice! Which charger do you use?
Judging speed by the gear and revs is definitely something I do, like puting it in the right gear for the corner just at the right moment helps set the bike up for the corner adding to the control and setting the speed.
However with engine braking set up on the electric and some practice listening to the revs of the motor I think it could be just as possible to do the same thing.
Looked like a fantastic fun day out!
Great point! Energicas are loud enough that you can definitely hear the acceleration and regen changes. It all adds to the experience I guess.
Excellent track day riding tips!
Thanks! These bikes were amazing out there.
I bought an ENERGICA! Thanks for your videos, they help a ton! I cannot wait to get my SS9 RS.
Whoaaa congrats!! That's so exciting to hear 😁 Have fun on it!
I don't think I judge cornering speed on my ICE bike by the sound because of gears and different corners are different speeds, but I do find that on the highway it's REALLY hard to keep an even speed on my Zero without constantly checking the speedometer. On the ICE bike I can feel the frequency of the vibration and go for quite a while without checking the speedo. I wish the Zero had cruise control or some way to add it.
Whoa! That's a GREAT point, and I agree 100%. Even with the Energica's sound I still can't hold the same speed. Something about that vibration (maybe even the vibration in your hand on the throttle?) seems to help a lot. Maybe this is all part of it. Adding all the sensory cues to form a better feeling of speed.
God damn that looks so fun!
Thanks man!
Hi Sam, to answer your question about entry speed, the logical thing to do is check your entry speed on the speedo, not the best as you are forced to look down, but since you have only one gear ratio, the speed to the engine (RPM) is always related (with the same ratio) to the speed (kph), with gears with multi ratios, the calculation is still possible, but you add different ratios.
If you think about it the concept of "going in" in third gear at 6000 rpm, translate to go in in third gear at (lets assume) 150kph.
With the enegica, everything goes down to just find the right entry speed, and skip all the gear / rpm, In my opinion is harder to get it right, but once you do, is easier to keep it going, and you can concentrate on other thing rather than using brain power figuring out the gears changes.
That sums it up really well! Thanks for breaking it down. Someone else used a video game analogy, "playing in automatic vs. manual" and that's how I like to play in real life haha. Shifting is fun but direct drive is faster.
I finally got to test ride a Ribelle RS on Saturday at Cal Moto Livermore. Wow.... holy speed batman. What an amazing bike. I may... just MAYBE might be sold on one.
NICE!! They really are insane 😳😂 Even better on twisty roads! I support your future purchase hahaha.
Very cool and looks like tons of fun. But honestly, I kept watching just to see Jen's smile... the prettiest smile I have ever seen.
Aw thanks :D I think so too!
So stoked to see you two out there enjoying your bikes and honing your skills! The first time I was able to scrub in my entire rear tire I was stoked too, however it's actually better to try to use as little of your tire as possible. Proper body position will allow you to go through a corner just as fast wail leaning the bike over less, then you can also lean the bike over more and go even faster.
Thanks man! I definitely need to hang off waaay more. I'm still at least a fist distance away from touching my knee down. Need more track days!!
@@NewZeroland Fastest way to go faster is to spend some time with a instructor or attend a race school. If you get a chance check out Mike on Bikes' YT channel. He has a lot of helpful content related to improving your track riding skills.
I've never seen anyone take a ride on an electric without returning with a smile. The faster charge times and longer ranges are starting to grab attention.
Absolutely! At race pace we were only getting about 100km (~60 miles) on a full charge, so charging up between sessions was definitely a must.
Glad you both had fun. Isn't it great to have a "missus" who also rides a bike? Not sure if you know but my lady, Leanna is a full time instructor with me. She'll be launching her own channel soon but doesn't like being called a "lady biker", she says we're all the same when on a bike. ☺
That's awesome! Women who ride are rare and special and must be celebrated!
"Depth perception and courage" Dude that's amazing! lol you could say it's "Ballzy" ;)
Thanks haha, yeah my eyesight is bad and I'm scared of going fast, so this is an uphill battle.
@@NewZeroland LoL puns all around! Can’t wait till the next one!
One more thing I’m very impressed as too how you both made it too the edge of the tires !
Thanks! I should have dropped my pressure a bit more and increased my speed, but it felt really fun and safe the whole time.
I think track riding/riding in general is all about what you are used to. Ultimately you should always be slowly getting faster, so getting on an electric, you should drop right back and re learn what to expect. I would argue a combustion engine is ultimately more challenging than a useful marker. Worrying about how quickly you are smashing down gears while trying to pull a handful of brakes, and then hoping you are in the right gear to rip out of the corner is way more hassle then twist off, twist on to go.
And additionally, once you get to a certain level, its all about braking markers. Picking which point in the track you go from full throttle to braking hard.
Well said! I definitely like how simple electric makes it. Everything is down to the most basic needs. Braking, accelerating, and lines. Even the sponsored racer guy was impressed by how easy it was to ride!
You guys so cool !!!^ ^ haha always love to see your video.
Han ung!!!!!! Aw thanks, bro! We miss you!!
Love the sqeeky boots ! The other bikes can hear you coming now!
Squeaky boots save lives
Dude u da man!!!
Cheers bro!
Great videos of the Energica, I love the machine, beautifull made product! and I was considering of buying on , but the weight and price new, kills it for me . A second hand older model are more heavy too. 286KG!!! and less battery capacity. That is 100KG heavier and double the price then a Monster SP wet... You can't compensate that with torque. On the straight maybe, but in cornering through twisties with such heavy bike, sorry, sucks. It spoils all the fun. And where i live there are almost only twistie roads. Still a wonderfull machine, new types still weights 260 kg. and +30000€. If they get near 220kg, i could live with that. I looked at a Zero FXS to, thats a lightweight machine but range is +/-100 km, and no fast charging, 1.3 hour...come on dudes! probably a great commtuter bike, but i wanna do more with it.
Justin is a great kid....I follow him on facebook.....he"s going to have a great career in racing.....
Nice!! Yeah man, he's awesome!
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Great content. Love it!
Cheers man!
Just to make life interesting they are making a new Sport Tourer. :) Track day looked like fun. Cool that it's within a 1 charge distance. Enjoy.
Yeah!! That bike looks really exciting 😳
Jenn seemed extra smiley in this video. Awesome that she races on the track too.
Yeah! She had such a great time, and winning a free track day means you'll see a lot more of her smiling in the future :D
Great video, cool to hear others impressions riding the bike. You should trademark EnergiCases, design your own bags and sell them lol. Then when your bags or successful sell to Energica 🤪.
Hahaha gotta be Energicareful with these great ideas!
This is Energicawesome.
Hahahaha thank you thank you 😂 So Energikind of you.
When I finally get my Ford F150 Lightning hopefully within the next year, I'll probably buy a mobile CCS charger to go with it. Won't be cheap but it beats the 3kW AC limit we have on our Energicas!
That's a great idea! What kind of amps will the truck outlet have? I think even 3kW would be ok between sessions, but for sure a quick 5 min DC top-up would be amaaaazing.
@@NewZeroland I believe the 240V outlet in the bed is rated at 30A. So more than double the AC charging rate by using a CCS adaptor. Only problem is the price, they range in the $2500 USD.
The Lightning can output a total of 9.6 kW, and they did say they'll be able to do vehicle-to-vehicle charging via CCS with this but as far as I know it's for other Lightnings only.
Gen needs to update the suit as well, she can't rev it anymore LOL, nice one bud! keep it up!
Bwahaha 😂 Thanks thanks!
I used engine rev noise / gears only to make sure that I stay in the max torque band of the engine. With electric bikes you can fully enjoy / focus on the bends.
Exactly! I think that's the answer I'll use from now on.
The thing about not hearing what your engine is doing: I put carbon pipes on my Monster so I could hear what the engine was up to, so I could get gear selection right - is it pinking/lazy, is it over-revving, am I leaving the clutch open for too long? etc. That worked. Now my bike is silent (electric) but I don't have gears or clutch to optimise the use of, so it's not longer relevant. I can just concentrate on brakes and steering around a bend - happy days! So glad you asked those petrol riders what they thought of your bikes compared to ice - that was something I was wondering the whole time. Also, do you know how your bikes compared on the straights and corners? I'm imaging the extra weight generally meant the corners would be taken a bit more slowly than an ice bike, but you'd more than make up for it on the acceleration out of bends and less time to get to bigger speeds on the straights? You need to ask that guy with the electric plane you went in how he lobbied the local council to pay for a fast charger at Wellington airport, so you can do the same for a fast charger in the pits!
Great points! No gears = no need for sound-related speed cues. Energica weight and wheelbase is exactly the same as a Hayabusa, so they're definitely straight-line monsters, but I was impressed how nimble and fun the Ribelle was in the turns. It didn't feel heavy to me at all, but these guys came from riding much lighter bikes. Definitely need a DC charging station at the track!! There's one at Hampton Downs, and it's FREE!
Using gear & engine sound is definitely a "thing", but not really the correct thing, more of a crutch. You should really be identifying and tweaking reference points to find your way around the track - I start braking at the third cone, I turn in where the fence starts, I track out to where the curb ends, etc. Sound isn't needed to go fast around a track.
Well said! Going electric simplifies everything down to acceleration, braking, and getting your lines right. I still need help on all of those XD but at least I'm less distracted by shifting.
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Ces vélos sont si rapides !
@@NewZeroland two years of young biker license to finally switch to an Energica. Your video is really cool and I can't wait to replace my zeromotorcycles
@@motardselectriques Cela est si excitant!! J'ai hâte de voir ta bête jaune.
@@NewZeroland oui en jaune 🤩🏍️⚡
Donut balls aka Timbits in Canada. Been around since 1976.
I love Timbits, but these aren't donut balls.. they're more like the consistency of protein bars.
@@NewZeroland what?! That is trickery. But i would try it, is there rum inside? Lol. We have rum balls at Christmas which are the consistency of protein bars but taste better. Ok now i know why we North Americans are fat.
@@therealcdnuser oh yeaaaah I love those haha. Alcohol and chocolate is great, but alcohol IN chocolate? Yes please.
Fantastic video! Too far for me to get a track day in unfortunately. But one day! Great job on frying those chicken strips! 😂.
Cheers! Definitely take your bike sometime. You'd love it!
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Dutch energica group takes portable DC chargers on track days. You would need a proper outlet for it still but might be a solution.
That's a great idea. Luckily the DC station is only 5min away. One of these tracks has a station right in the parking lot, and it's free! They just don't allow motorcycles anymore :[
Have you seen how much they cost!
Plus you need a 3 phase outlet.
Great video, your the first to be putting EV bikes through what they should be doing as well as roads. You ask what about the lack of noise? Ive done 50 years of ICE riding, 10 in the Isle of Man on Suzuki GSXR 1000 K5, Ive done some short circuit and I run big V twins and classics plus now Ive racked up 12,000 UK miles Riding Zero SRF:-
1) I choose a different helmet Im after no wind noise also if your in a pack with other bikes with noisy pipes you miss out. I find I listen to the motor noise, belt noise, and can hear the tyres working, this is a whole new world but ends up being solo as Ive no other EV bike mates so far, and ICE too noisy!
2) Regen you can hear the level perfectly mainly in the belt working, you back it off the power gradually into corner then transition to power on early, you can do it as electric is so predictable for me Ive developed a new way of riding to have the bike neutrally coasting mid corner, feels like a 2 stroke mid corner and big V twin going in/out.
For me I love the noise, I get board easy so learning new stuff is good for me.
Wow awesome! I totally understand. We went to Isle of Man to watch the TT in 2017 and it was way more fun watching the ICE superbikes because you could hear them coming a mile away. It became this exciting event any time they'd fly by. The electrics made cool sounds but we could see them coming before we heard them. Not as fun as a spectator, but maybe still just as fun as a rider. There's something special about them!
I also love balls, especially chocolate salty ones.
I know it's a minor thing, but I'd love to see some more info about the energicases. I'm hoping to get an SS9 later this year and would love to know how well those work and how they might compare to 3rd party options.
They're the same as Givi cases, if that helps. Same mounting points and storage space.
Mmm, I go to a lot of those track days, not to ride but bro-in-law has a GSX-R1000 Superbike, must say hello if I see you there at one.
Nice! Next one we want to go to is in August so if you see us, come by and say hi!
Energica Week - 4 - 10 Sept 2023 -; 9-10 Sept Energica Dealers & Owners Days
Have a look at the new Braaap Moto E from an australian bike maker. 10kwh battery for 8.2k AUD.
Looks like it comes from China, so I wouldn't expect the highest quality.. but for the price it could be a fun commuter.
Racing fanny pack is a thing i want to catch on, jen is a trend setter
You know it!!
I guess this was not the first day on the track for you, how was your time? And how did it go against the previous bike?
Last week I demo ride the Energica Ribelle 2021, I never rode a proper sport bike so it was a new experience under that light. I followed a test-guide to try the various performance modes on the streets on the outskirts of Milan (namely: standard, sport and the difference between low and high regen), getting familiar with the behaviour and when the lead started to push on the highway, he took me by surprise and I couldn't keep up with the speed.
I managed to do that on the way back, at least. :P
I really loved the bike response, I wasn't comfortable with the riding position at the beginning, being used to a Low Rider S with forward controls, I especially appreciated the suspensions and general handling. I loved every moment. Except the noise, the Energica is "jerky" compared to the Livewire, which is by far the best electric motor sound.
Talking about familiar experiences, I see a clip with a V-Twin at 2:16, I wonder how that felt on the track. :D
Sadly a new bike doesn't make sense on a financial level (30 k €), but I'll get the demo ride for 18 000 € (it was 15k before... they silently increased the price but is still a good one). But it won't be available until September, basically the end of the season. I'll get the bike for autumn, just like you but on the other hemisphere.
Hey awesome! I agree that the Livewire sounds the best. Quiet motor and belt drive is really nice. The new Energicas are lighter weight, have more power, and feel so much better to ride than my older one... I didn't go for lap times (more just practicing) but I'll time it at the next track day to see how I've improved. The bike is definitely the fastest I've ever ridden.
Brushing up for your moto-E debut? 🤣 im hoping to make it to YRCS and UtahSBK this year. Get my track chops back up to snuff
Haha NICE!! Aside from very necessary suspension adjustments, these bikes are perfect track weapons.
@@NewZeroland semi active? Or wrench/screwdriver until you find the sweet spot?
@@jace2wheel762 all manual.. electronic would be awesome though. I'm already thinking of the Ohlins upgrade haha. Rebound is the main thing that needs adjusting because they come way too bouncy from the factory.
@@NewZeroland dampen the extra weight of a big ass hunk of battery im guessing..
@@jace2wheel762 yeah I need to take it to a suspension wizard to get it sorted out. That whole side of motorcycling is magic.
Sam - do you trail-brake in corners? What regen setting were you on while on the track? I am yet to take my Ribelle to the track, but on more spirited rides in the twisties I go low regen so I can trail brake a touch and load the front tire before tip in.
Very curious to hear how you approach trail braking on an electric bike. Thank you!!!
Yeah my regen is set the same. I'm assuming you started riding on gas bikes like us, so Level 2 regen (low) feels a lot like normal engine braking so we can still use the brakes, and yeah trail braking ends up feeling really similar. Too much regen would probably feel like heavy rear brake, so that might not be good in a lean.
Cool stuff! I’m now seriously considering going for an Energica as my next bike. Do you think it’s worth it to opt for the öhlins after having tested the Marzocchi on both track and in the real world?
Nice! Yeah, definitely go with Ohlins. I regret not doing that.
I've always done it by how fast the corner is coming, even on a gas bike and I don't even ride track ....
Incidentally, 25 minutes to 80% I find my Ribelle charges a little faster than advertised (while green), wondering if you've seen similar.
Yeah it does charge pretty fast in the middle of the SOC range, but a full charge still takes about an hour. Totally fine for road trips!
Either of the bikes get into the yellow or red because of heat?
Yellow at the end of the day, for sure. They also turn yellow after the second DC charge.
Any chance you would consider uploading a raw clip of any of your sessions?
That's a good idea! I realize 80% of this video isn't riding motorcycles 😂
I too posted here :) Let me know what racing school u suss here. Otherwise, just get a professional racer to come along to a track day and pay for that...might be worth getting a few people together and cover the Sensei costs. As for noise, each different bike we own or ride has different characteristics. Your brain is just associating feelings, noise, sightings, perceptions with each machine. So this is just a different one, much like a heavier vs lighter bike, or a 2smoke vs 4stroke.
I've heard mixed reviews about California Superbike School.. Bernard Racing also seems to be good but not split up enough between fast and slow riders. Next time I'll get a pro to follow me and give me some tips!
I saw your passing others in your group, so how did your times comparing ?
I'll have to go back and look at my track times.. I was just going for practice leaning, trying to get my knee down as usual haha, but that should come naturally if I try and go for speed.
BTW, did you notice Rich Rebuilds dropped an Autozam video about an hour after this one.
I DID! It was so hard to watch.. so many emotions came back and I definitely miss that car. The Beat is a different kind of fun though, so no regrets.
As a gamer most of the racing games I play I rarely use manual shifting (every "pro racing gamer" may now proceed to disregard everything I say of course) which I will heavily guess automatic is similar to gearless electric motorcycles in a massive over simplification. I too also use depth and courage to judge my turns (probably a lot less courage because I don't have to worry in a game,) but I also tend to judge turns by speed. Some turns I tend go into at 40mph (rougly 64.3kph,) some at 60 (96.5kph,) while others flat out, depending on the vehicle, the track condition (and the varying physics from one game to another) to get optimal lines. But man the hairpin line on the track map does not look intuitive to me. my novice gaming brain says taking a turn that sharp seems like you're wasting momentum so you take longer getting up to speed on the straight. I'd assume the geared bikes are still in a lower gear at the "Splash" and aren't worried about losing time on the hairpin because they're already slowed down significantly and will need build RPM again anyway.
That's a great analogy! It's exactly like that. Set your car or bike to automatic and just concentrate on lines and braking points. (Yeah that's totally how I play video games too haha) It simplifies it down to the bare minimum you need to get around the track and have fun, and I love it!
I wouldn't say it's a gross oversimplification, but it is simpler. The thing is even when you're in automatic you still have to have a really good idea about the vehicle speed for when your accelerating out of the curb. This is due to the fact that at say 50 you might be at 6 grand in 2nd gear and able to go up to 8k rpm, but if you were to do the same corner at 60 you could possibly be in third gear at 4 grand. Rough analogy. In the car if you still have to worry about where your power is throughout the turn because of the gearing. On the electric motorcycles you don't have that. No matter where you are in the RPM if you start rolling into it you're going to get power.
@@custommotor yeah! All the power whenever you want it, with way more predictable and controllable power delivery.
Are you 2 taking up the opportunity to attend Enerica Week 2023?
When is that?? Sounds fun. We'd love to fly back to Italy but I'm not sure if I can get more time off work because we keep traveling too much 😂
In five years or so, the electric motorcycles will make ICE look a bit silly, me thinks. Ahead of the curve NZL!
I think you're right! Thanks for watching :D
You definitely look better without that hat mate. Leave it off good on yea.
Thanks man!
Track bikes need swappable batteries. Use one battery while the other charges.
That would solve the heat issues for sure.
Interesting vid and thanks for making it and I subscribed to your channel. Have you quantified how much power you lose for a certain reduction in battery level? Most electric vehicles suffer from reduced performance with lower charge level but curious how bad it impacts the Ribelle. For comparison my Tesla drops off very little from 100% to 75%. To quantify this from 0-60 mph, it might run 3.7 full charged and still do 3.8 when at 75%. Then it slows up by about .1 seconds from 74-50%, another .1 from 49-25% and then starts to really drop off below 15%.
There is a bigger difference though at higher speeds (over 60 mph) and it shows up in the trap speed in the 1/4 mile. From fully charged it is about 117 mph to 10% it is down to about 106 mph. With lithium ion batteries you never really want to charge to 100% more than necessary as it impacts battery degradation pretty significantly. I am sure Energica is not immune to this as I am pretty sure they use Li-ion batteries.
Hey thanks for the sub! Glad ya liked this one 😁 I did a test like that on the first-gen Ego and power stair-stepped down about every 10%. At 40% SOC you can really notice a loss of power and top speed. The new bikes start with such ridiculous power that even at 40% I'm still accelerating too fast 😂
@@NewZeroland Good to know. I am considering the Ribelle as I want better ergos than the Ego. It looks like it might be a bit more comfy. My concern is I might be bored by the power level. How does the power hold up under higher thermal loads? Today it was 42C. I rode some Zeros in hotter temps and while cool, their power wasn't bad. In the higher temps they faded pretty quickly.
How does the Energica do? I saw some 1/4 mile runs of an Ego and the power seemed to fall off pretty quickly after the first 2 runs. Not sure the charge level. It went from mid 10's into the low 11's and trap speed dropped from about 125 mph to 120. That is starting to get on the slow side for me. My daily rider is an H2 Kawasaki. I am looking for something that will still be pretty quick and get at least 100 miles on the highway range and be totally electric as well as support DC fast charging. The Energicas seem like the best at the moment for what I am looking for.
@@wavshrdr8452 the motor is liquid cooled so it never overheats like Zeros, and the Ribelle has the same power as the Ego, just not the same top speed. The battery definitely limits the power as it goes down. If you can recharge it between runs, that'd be ideal. We did a range test and got around 125 miles at mixed speeds + steep elevation, so 100 miles on the highway should be easy. Take one for a test ride and see watcha think!
@@NewZeroland Thanks for the info. I have a test ride lined up for Wed. as I was already interested in trying one out. Sadly the closest dealer is 3+ hours one way.
Great that the motor is liquid cooled but it looks like the batteries are air-cooled. They probably did it because of cost, weight and complexity but it will impact performance. I could see it being an issue when using DC charging on a hot day. I'll write Energica and see if they throttle the charging rate based on the battery temps. So far it looks like Energica has hit most of the important points for an electric motorcycle. Much better option than the Livewire or any Zeros. No Lightning dealer near me so they aren't an option.
@@wavshrdr8452 oh yeah, DC charge throttling is definitely an issue on a hot day. Usually the first charge is over 20kW the whole time but the second charge can go down to 13kW.
I'm going to have to sell a house, but I'm really thinking of getting one. They're 50,000 here in Oz.
WORTH IT!! Haha you know I'm biased, but these are the best bikes ever :D
saw that on the new dealer's website and Zen Motorcycles also in Sydney selling Energicas. The EsseEsse9+ is a lot less, but then less power too.
@@octopusenvy still 40,000 more than I have.
Yep I could see the sound of engines flying by was enjoyable, and Jenn’s new nick name “Squeaky Boots”. Tell me what you think…
Haha she needs "Squeaky Boots" written on her racing suit.
I''m really bummed that during my time as a racetrack instructor I never had the chance to use an EV bike on a track. For the rider's question about how to judge entry speed without sound, gears etc. those things just become muscle memory. Adjusting to none of that would be easy. But scary because regen would be a whole new experience. So hard braking would be more severe 'I think'
Yeah true! I kept regen low so it was a lot like rolling off the throttle on a gas bike, but you could totally crank it all the way up and barely touch the brake lever at all.
@@NewZeroland Never ridden an Eva so not familiar with the levels of regen. But having said that on my ICE race bike it becomes natural to blip the throttle while downshifting (race pattern means downshifting you click 'up')and squeezing the front brake simultaneously. So the amount of engine braking and actual braking are under your own control. Regen is different so I 'doubt' I'd depend on regen much. BUT since learning the skill to be smooth on downshifting/braking would then be a thing I'd no longer have to think about. And under severe braking our rear tires are lifted off of the tarmac anyway. Hard to wrap my head around how it would feel on a track after 45 years of racing ICE bikes. The guy who taught me about braking practiced JUST BRAKING FOR TWO FULL YEARS. He could out brake any AMA guy I knew!
@@markkitaoka8783 man I need waaaaay more practice! Supposedly they're having track days every 2 weeks soon so that's where all my money will go!
@@NewZeroland I think that is one of the best things any rider can do. Most like to think that they can learn their bike's capabilities on the street. That's pure bullshit in my mind. Myself and the owner of the school were the only two instructors allowed to take students two up around the track. We'd only ride at 80% max and even then students were amazed at the amount of braking and leaning you are capable of on a bike. My bitch was he always gave me the big guys like you and he took the little guys or the women like Jenn. Imagine your big ass on the back seat. Don't know if your school offers two up rides, but if they do, be a good guy and BRACE YOURSELF HOLDING YOUR HANDS AGAINST THE TANK DURING BRAKING. I use to get so pissed when I'd tell guys to do that and they wouldn't I'd pull over after turn two and make them walk back to the pits in 120 degree heat. Guys don't effing listen, women do. LOL In my experience the women dropped their lap times by incredible amounts because they 'LISTEN' and exexute during our two day classes. No egos. Track days are the absolute best thing you can do to learn to actually ride safely when you are on the street. But just like learning any martial art, you become really dangerous to yourself at the beginning, 'thinking' you've been trained enough to fight or in this case, go fast on the street. Just be careful and have fun.
@@markkitaoka8783 yes! That martial arts analogy is sooooo spot on. What are your thoughts on California Superbike School and other advanced rider training programs? I'm excited to do as many track days as possible but I could probably get better faster with guidance from a pro.
Cool plates on that Tesla.
That comment on revs wil be different to any bike. So he will just need to get used to it without, on an EV.
Right?? Every bike, every track, and every turn. I'm glad I don't have to worry about it haha.
It’s all about traction, right side and left side can differ by temperatures, time of use air pressures etc. and how your throttle hand reacts reapplying power so as not to spin the tire with maximum grip for maximum acceleration coming off corners, practice practice practice…
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