Cliffhanger Sprints on Energica Eva Ribelles
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2024
- I had no idea these bikes were so fast. Top speed runs and 1/4 mile times, woohoo!
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I love how you're the "electric guy" with the Tesla and the Energicas! So great that you and the missus get to do this stuff together.
Thanks! :D I was really torn when we bought the Yamaha R3 trackbike, because I was risking losing that "electric guy" identity. Rest assured, I'm still 90% electric haha.
@@NewZeroland When I bought my last motorcycle I said "that's it, no more ICE bikes". (Although MV Agusta is ever a cruel temptress!)
I want to get into track days on an Enérgica I've done a lot of touring, but I have 0 experience with track days. Hoping to tow it behind my Model Y 😁.
@@naarealy they're amazing on the track if you can find at least 3kW charging somewhere (RV socket or something). And man I wish we had a Model Y! Those are amazing.
Wanted to say thanks again! I've had my SS9 (RS : D) for about a month now and I couldn't be happier with it.
I wouldn't have even considered it if not for this channel, probably just would've gotten another Zero.
Whoa, no way! That made my day :) Glad to be an enabler haha. Cheers, and happy riding!
So awesome, you both got bragging rights and blew everyone's assumptions out of the water. I'm also curious to know how many other husband and wife teams were out there that day, as I've no doubt there were a lot of very jealous men wishing their partners were just as crazy about their passion for motorcycles and speed as they are.
Dude! Once again Jenn was the only woman riding in this event. There were a few other women riders but none excited to go this fast. Jenn loved it!
To unlock the real top speed…
Turn the ignition on. Tap back brake 3 times, tap the front brake 3 times, turn throttle and make the vroom vroom sound with you mouth and yell “i’ve got the power”
Your wish will be granted. 😆 sorry I couldn’t resist. Lol
Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A and Start worked for me lol
Wow, thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
I'm happy you starting to embrace TC2 ! much better feel overall, as I said unless condition are poor, you are missing out the fun when going over TC 2
Yeah man! You were right all along. I was afraid of it because the Energica team said "below TC3 gets rowdy" lol, but it's just the right amount of rowdy :D
Great opening clip!!
That crazy couple that show up with matching electric bikes being towed by a tesla.
I'm happy the starter guy is getting used to them.
Any other EVs there on the day?
Thanks dude! Nope, no other EVs. Once again we were the only ones, and Jenn was still the only woman racing!
I've only done a few full throttle pulls on my non-RS Ribelle. I feel like my face is about to melt off. After that I've had someone tell me "electric motorcycles ate not fast" I laughed so hard.
😂 right?? Everybody wants to trash talk but none of them want to race!
that was awesome!!!!!!
Haha cheers man! Glad ya liked it :D
Nice - real world, real bikes, real people and real cool electric!
Reeeeaal fun! :D Cheers man!
SWAP THE BIKES! SWAP THE BIKES!
My bike is too tall for Jenn :[
Awesome video. That looked like so much fun. I think if your bike felt fast and you didn’t wreck then that’s great.
Did you go 300 kph? No.
Did you have fun and accelerate at a speed that made you grin and doubters get quiet? Hell YES! 😁
True that! Any day you don't crash is a win. Top speed is pretty useless 99% of the time. It's just bragging rights. But do I want to see what 300 is like? Oh yes haha.
Understandable top speed is a thrill. If I had to choose between top speed and acceleration it would be acceleration every time. I’ll take 0-60 in 1 second with a top speed of 80. 😂
@@stevenb7319 hahaha no joke, that sounds epic!! I would choose that too.
About those short bursts of power: Mr Musk once explained that in a lithium-ion battery, you have a limited amount of ions that is 'freely' available. This means that, when you demand full power, the top layer of ions on the anode is free to jump away to the cathode and give you the full power. But the layers of ions underneath of those have a stronger bond with the anode, so they take a little longer to release and jump through the electrolyte to the cathode. So that's why EV's with lithium-ion batteries can give big power bursts, but not for longer, continuous periods.
(I know it's obvious from my explanation that I'm a total n00b, apologies)
That's a great explanation! It makes me wonder exactly how long Energicas can hold their peak power for.
I live in Wellington and didn’t know this event had been. I would loved to have come through to support you all. Sold my Honda Africa Twin and switched to eMTB this year 🤦🏼♂️
If your bikes had unrestricted top speeds you could have been #1 and #2 on that quarter mile run 😳👍🏼 easily!
Dude, it's possible! And yep the event almost didn't happen. It was pretty short notice. The hillclimb in March is a must. Definitely come watch if you can!
If you had a higher speed limit you would have likely have had 3rd in the 1/4 mile. that's awesome!
Right?? How crazy would that be??
You could have made the local paper’s and showed the factory you’re a PR machine. (Hint likely a thing you can try with highschool shop classes)
Looks like a blast. My best time would have finished 2nd there.
Right?? I need the Ego power map now. Surely that's something they can just upload to the VCU.. suuuurely.
@@NewZeroland and I just need the Corsa map… ;)
@@shockerzevworld5911 YEAH!! 170mph top speed?? What's the details on that? Does Gabe even know what he has??
@@NewZeroland he doesn’t have it. He has the RS map just like mine.
@@shockerzevworld5911 awwww I see! Maybe we can pay Chris to hack our bikes with the race map.
Sekond ‼ You re cheating Pinareo ☝
😂❤🚀 pinaero jumped the lights!
First! There were many but none before me.
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Also, don't forget that not only are electric bikes deliberately limited at the top end, they have to be at the low end too. With all that torque from 0 rpm they would be ridiculously wheelie prone if not. It's a shame that both Zero and Energica are cautious and won't give a bit more control over the power delivery to customers who are prepared to take a risk.
You're providing some great PR for Energica. Maybe they could sort you out some custom motor controller firmware for next year's event?
I would love a custom power map!! They have other ones, for sure. The Ego can do 245km/h and I think the Corsa (MotoE bikes) can do 270km/h. For how long, and at what cost to the battery heat / etc, I'm not sure.. but I want it haha.
“You never go full wheelie. Never. It stops the pee.” Samuel Baker, circa 2022
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Awesome video enjoy watching you guys ride everytime, hope to see another video of you hitting corners agin with that bike mounted cam that was cool. Have you looked into findind out how to tune the bike? I know Zeros were able to be tuned.
Thanks man! Not yet, but I'm asking around. There are different factory tuning maps for each bike, and I'd love to see if I could reflash mine with something crazier.
Few questions.
What was your SOC for the 1/4 mile runs?
Do you think it would have accelerated faster with a higher SOC?
Did you use your Dragy?
What do you think it would have run if your top speed wasn’t capped?
It goes to show 60 foot times and torque is what wins drag races! Great job. Love seeing this type of content. :)
Cheers! We both started with 98% and went down to around 85%, so in theory they all should have been full-power runs. I brought my Dragy but didn't have time to set it up between runs, and I still don't have a phone mount, so it would have been awkward. I'll try and get a proper 0-60mph run recorded with it sometime though. I feel at least mid-10's is possible if the top speed wasn't limited. An Ego+RS did a 10.5, and that seems doable on mine too!
@@NewZeroland I think it could do a 10.4.
Regarding the dragy. To get times with no video you don’t need to have your phone in a mount. It can be locked and it will still will record every run. You just need to stick the dragy on the bike, load the app in your phone, connect to the dragy and then you can lock your phone and put it in your pocket. It has a strong magnet 🧲 on the bottom of it. Easy. :)
@@Tothefloor oh nice! Ok I'll try it out. I'm curious how close to the 2.6sec claim the bike can actually do. I think in real life it's around 3 seconds, but that's still crazy fast. This thing would destroy all in the 1/8 mile!
@@NewZeroland Energica could be using one foot rollout for their 0-60 time. If so 2.6 will be obtainable.
@@Tothefloor good point. I figured they achieved that on a dyno, but you could be right.
Awesome stuff.
I kinda wish events like this happened here, but I'm not brave enough to pin the throttle on my 600 so it's a bit academic. 🤣
They might have events near you! Top secret underground back alley races nobody talks about haha.
If you change the front sprocket for one more tooth, wouldn't this benefit both the standing and flying quarter? It seems that the motor has the power to do better but is rev-limited.
One less tooth gives it more low-end torque, I guess. It also has a different power map for launches. These motors are the same in the Ego but that bike has a limit of 245km/h. Then there's the Corsa map that raises the limit to something like 270km/h haha.
I was just about to say "You beat 2 S1000Rs!!!" hahahahaha DAMN!!!! So fast!!!! Would be really sweet if you had the whole line up to test the 1/4 mile and the top speed. My goodness another satisfying video. Thank you brother!
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Hahaha thank YOU! How crazy is that? That you can just buy a bike from the factory and run 10 second 1/4 miles with no skill at all lol. AND do it on an electric bike. What a time to be alive.
@@NewZeroland Exactly!!!! Insane!!!!
Is the limiter to protect the motor or batteries, like an output limiter?
It has lots of limiters to protect the battery pack, but the top speed limit is only because this is a naked bike and not the full-fairing Ego sportbike. It would be amazing if they sold an unlocked Ribelle. There really isn't a reason for it to be limited aside from marketing.
Very interesting! Disappointing that the speedos are so optimistic though. (Mind you, they are Italian, and in my experience Italian bikes and scooters always have the most optimistic speedos! 20 years ago Gilera Runner 180cc 2-stroke sporty scooters used to indicate 90mph when they were barely cracking 70...Apart from that, bearing in mind that neither of you have fairings, wouldn't Jen's smaller profile alone account for her slightly higher top speed?
Yeah you're right about Jenn being smaller and more aerodynamic. I really have no idea how the limiter works. Supposedly the speedo offset is for safety, and lots of other motorcycles have it, too. I'd much rather know exactly what speed I'm going, though, especially when setting cruise control so I don't get a ticket.
Would be fun to take an LS218 there and check the petrolhead reactions :-D
Oh man seriously haha. Those can do 350km/h and a 9sec 1/4 mile!
Would be fun to see one anywhere, but they don’t seem to exist in the wild.
One of the R6's and a GSXR600 was faster on the standing 1/4 but heck yeah, find the unlock code and bring it back next year!!
600s are in the 10s now?? That is insane O_O
I know Zeros basically have a rev limiter to protect the motor that defines the top speed. It sounds like your bikes have an arbitrary top speed limiter? (Different gearing, same top speed.) If the top speed isn't for motor protection then what's the point? (Your bikes have the same motor right?)
I think it's just marketing. The Ego has the same exact powertrain but can go up to 245km/h because it's a "sportbike". These are sport nakeds / streetfighters so I guess they figured top speed wasn't the priority.
If these bikes are electronically limited, I wonder how fast they could go all out? What are those electric motors capable of? Right now we are only limited by the batteries. In the future, better batteries will mean we can unlock the full potential of electric motors.
Well the Ego can do 245, and the MotoE bikes can do 270+ 😳 Everything is using the same powertrain with different tuning. I have no idea how much power the motors are capable of haha.
How much range to you lose on the Tesla towing?
Oh man, these bikes are heavy (right on the limit of the Tesla's towing capacity) so our range was down to 1/3 of what it can normally do. Thankfully there was a cool cafe to charge up at on the way home.
Another thing to consider, how many of the bikes there were stock like your bikes?
That's a great point! Someone else asked if mine may have been the fastest stock bike there. That would be crazy!
Considering the Ribelles are software limited they could quite probably be unlimited with a code or some sort of special devices (they're laughing to throw you off the scent!) much like you see with a lot of everyday Ebikes that are locked to a certain speed for regional laws, but can be unlocked or overvolted for higher speeds. But ultimately the makers do that for specific reasons, like not destroying the motor or making sure the rider can still handle the thing. You wouldn't want any old yahoo cranking out 150mph on their first track day, or even just heading to work.
Yeah for sure haha. The Ego map can do 150mph, and the Corsa can do even more (I think 170mph??).. but I wonder what's involved in downloading and tweaking those maps. I'll ask around. This is making me curious!
That's interesting, the Zero SR I have actually displays true speed according to my GPS, which means it's only four miles an hour slower than these at top speed. 2.6/2.8 second 0-100 times just can't be matched by anything in the ICE world even though as an RSV4 owner I know how fast 300 is, 0-100 is way more practical.
I'm still rooting for you to turn traction control off some day.
What! Since when can Zero SR's do 110mph?? Mine was limited to 102mph! Was that a 2017+ thing? Real world acceleration I think is still 3 seconds, but I'll get the Dragy out one of these days to see for sure. TC level 2 seems great for acceleration. I feel like anything lower would either wheelie or do a burnout. But ok I'll try it lol.
Yep, 17+ were 108 factory limited but they opened it up two more MPH a couple of years ago with one of their firmware updates. I believe the firmware updates for the 16 SRs also gave an extra two miles an hour so if you were able to get the firmware update it was rated at 104.
You'll want tire warmers but again I'd put slicks on, do a little burnout then modulate the tire slip yourself and you should be able to get the advertised time. Also when drag racing an electric you want to apply front brake and throttle at the same time so there is a stall torque on the wheel and then release the brake and fully apply throttle, which helps to maintain better traction and minimize the bounce.
@@spike_spencer dude 😂 I dunno if you've ridden an Energica before, but that would loop it immediately lol. That worked great on Zeros, but even with traction control level 6, Energicas lift the front wheel if you pin it hard enough. Level 2 was insane.
The traction control and power seems much more similar to my RSV4 where I was lifting the front wheel at first on TC6 with my RSV4 too. It definitely takes a lot of practice to get comfortable with less and less TC but before long you realize how much you end up fighting with TC in race situations. I forgot to disable it in one of my rally runs and it was horrible. When I first got my RSV4, I thought there was something wrong with it because I had the TC on 8 since I'd never ridden one before.
Every time I go out on the track the wheel comes off the ground especially when going 200 on the straight and shifting into 5th. It's a bit disconcerting but I find it's best to ride it out until you let go of the throttle and go heavy on the brake for the first turn.
There is of course always the engineering solution to straight line wheelie problems...wheelie bars!
@@spike_spencer ohhhh man I would love to see an Energica with a wheelie bar 😂 or at least custom-geared, stretched swingarm craziness like the busas. Energicas use the same dashes as Aprilias so I wonder what other parts they share. The traction control setup might be similar. I'll definitely try a run with it turned off, but like you said, tire warmers would be a must. And bravery 😁
Hai Sam I an buying Energica bike but which model is give best performance
Definitely an Ego+RS. That will have the fastest 1/4 mile time and top speed.
OK thank you for
I wish they'd put the actual speed on the dash, we know that the bike knows the real speed thanks to Hans, it just gets annoying at times
Yeah man! I agree. It makes setting cruise control reeeeally difficult.
Agreed. I know my dash is a liar. I've been tempted to put a phone mount on my Ribelle's bar and watch a GPS for speed, but that seems like a lot just to figure out how fast I Actually am going.
@@NewZeroland I guess I was right too about how the Ego can only really do 135mph and the Eva 113mph (give or take a couple mph) Still amazing to do 10's on a normal road while only doing 114mph at the trap, most cars have to do atleast 130mph to get in the 10's. Now use your infinite Energica sources to get more info on the 180hp (nominal power) motor that I've been hearing about :)
@@Magic_Toaster sounds like we need Ego Corsa power maps! How to get those.. I have no idea. I'll do some digging :D
It's a little known fact that vehicle speedometer calibration is regulated. They are not allowed to ever read slower than real speed, and there is a limit to how much faster they can read than actual. That's why almost every car on the road reads ~2% faster than actual from the factory. However, it seems to be different for different types of vehicles. 4x4s are often off by 5%. Every motorbike I've ever ridden has been off by at LEAST 5% and usually 7-10%. It's incredibly aggravating. Especially in 2022 when everybody has a phone with GPS that can give them their actual speed with an accuracyof less than 1% and is the opposite of vehicle speedometers in that the error is constant which means it's MORE accurate the faster you go.
It is possible to have your speedometer calibrated to be much more accurate. I have a 2004 Mercury Grand Marquis that is spot-on at any speed according to several different GPS devices. Some of the methods of correcting speedometers can throw off your odometer and other things, though, (because the computer *knows* the factory OEM speedometer error and accounts for it) which makes attempting to calculate fuel economy etc. pointless. If you adjust your speedometer with a different gear, or as is often done with motorbikes a different size front tire, pretty much everything *besides* speed will be thrown off.
Part of the reason is to prevent you from inadvertently getting speeding tickets, but it's mostly nanny state "safety" stupidity that has resuted in this nonsense. There's really no excuse in this day and age for speedometers not ALWAYS being dead on accurate. There are even ways for cars to calibrate themselves on-the-fly. There was at least one Cadillac in the 1980s that did that, and the tecnology to enable it now is so much better and easier.
Aren't you guys limited by the rpm's of the electric motor? I would see that as the limiting factor since there is no tranny involved. Only so much the motor can spin before overheating, hence the limiter from he factory.
Yeah rpm would make sense. This isn't the max rpm of the motor though. It's the same powertrain as the Ego but the Ego's limit is 245km/h. Even that isn't the absolute max!
@@NewZeroland I bet it has some better thermal protection or cooling, or could just being the case of Energica creating a differentiation. Btw, what do you think of your favorite brand Zero now including the complete cypher store for free on the 23' models?
@@ThatGermanFella yeah I think you're right about differentiation. I'm super happy Zero listened to the overwhelming outrage over the cypher store and changed their ways! It means a lot. I genuinely hope they succeed, because the world needs better electric motorcycles.
@@NewZeroland it put them back on top of my list since I don't have an energica dealer close.
@@ThatGermanFella I wish you the best! Which model are you interested in?
Hai samEnergica which bike give maximum range and power
Max range is the Experia, and max power is the Ego+RS 😁
@@NewZeroland thank for you sam
Why is the displayed speed so much different than real speed? Is that also true at legal speeds? (100kph)
Yep, 100 in real life is like 106 on the dash, and it's super annoying. It makes setting cruise control really difficult. Apparently they do that on a lot of motorcycles as a safety thing, to slow us down.
That seems crazy. I would've thought the government organization responsible for vehicle safety would require a level of accuracy. (Like NHTSA in the US) or maybe it's a high tolerance like 10%...
Agree Pinaero is cheating somehow... 🤭
He has a faster quarter mile time than all of us lol
Glad Mr. Harley was OK......Looked proper nasty.
Yeah seriously!
I lost my licence for 3 years at 140 km/h. They're fast enough...
PS, I wonder if you had the fastest 1/4 mile for a stock bike?
I'd be surpised if it wasn't.
Whoa! That's a great question. It may have actually been the fastest stock bike there. Wow man haha.
I hope you got your licence back.
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Australia picked up on the excessive road rules of the UK too.
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Flat long road and they force people to go slow ??!!
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Why not create a high tech bicycle fior the hills and weld a frame etc?
Haha yep, only lost my license for a month so we've been riding all over. We're planning a trip all around the north island in a few months. It would be sweet if NZ had an area with higher speed limits, but nobody knows how to drive here as it is 😂
Vehicle manufacturers make no sense. They make 300 kph things that are only allowed to do 100 on roads because of laws......and make things that will go faster than speed limits with limiters. I need that logic explained. hahaha !!!
Goooood point! "You can break the law, but not that much" lol
Oof, RIP HD. ATGATT
Word! Crazy that he could walk away with minimal scratches from falling at that kinda speed.