Dark Souls - How to Defeat Smough and Ornstein [The Definitive Beginners Guide] Two Star Players
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
- I made a guide on how to beat Ornstein and Smough for people who can't play good and want to learn how to do other stuff good too.
Chapter timestamps:
02:20 - Shields
03:00 - Weapons
05:02 - How the fight works
06:41 - General words on summons
07:34 - Killing Ornstein first, with a summon (+general info on his moveset and how to deal with it)
08:58 - Killing Smough first, with a summon (+general info on his moveset and how to deal with it)
10:34 - Killing Ornstein first, solo
12:10 - Killing Smough first, solo
13:14 - Phase II Smough
14:49 - Phase II Ornstein
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Dark Souls is an action role-playing game developed by FromSoftware and published by Namco Bandai Games.
Two Star Players are:
Nik ► / dickrhino
Anna ► / obtuse_angel - Ігри
I did it. after over 8 hours... I did it. before I rest... know that I have immense gratitude for this guide, and as always, praise the sun!
congrats, what was your build?
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Wait do people really struggle that much on their first playthrough? It took me 20 mins...
@@batbutchasing I guess it depends on your build/experience as a player and if you summon Solaire or not.
For me, it's my first time playing any Souls game and I've been stuck fighting them for like 5 hours. I wanna do it without summoning Solaire to actually get good at the game. My build is pretty shit, aside from my +5 Zweihander.
Been raging for hours and finally defeated Super Ornstein solo FIRST TIME after watching this video. Thank you so much. To anyone else stuck reading this, this video is legit useful.
that was the most polite guide ive ever witnessed
I'm not sure what that means exactly but I'll take it as a compliment :)
The two-handed running attack of any UGS, or any similarly heavy weapon, *always* staggers Ornstein, and it also staggers super Smough 90% of the time. The Zweihander's running attack carried me through my first playthrough.
Wow this guide is so good. Its so helpful that you show three ways to kill them, so i can find out what i prefer. Thanks :)
I am glad that I could be of some help!
This is definitely the most helpful guide ive seen in youtube. Thanks a lot, I really wanted to beat ornstein 2nd phase for his armor
I remember defeating Smough first then super Ornstein on my first try. Now that I'm in NG+ and I'm back to where I used to be the boss fight became much harder
What an amazing guide. As good as The Ghost Intiative or Fextralife's with a fraction of the views. I'd actually say this one is the best on UA-cam because of how it breaks down the different ways you can take them down (and it's generally positive and beginner friendly tone - a real rarity in the DS community!). I really wanted the Ornstein armor, and I also wanted to solo them, so any video that recommended killing him first or using a summon was basically useless to me. I still haven't beaten them yet, but I've gotten much closer thanks to this guide.
Edit: I finally beat them and got Ornstein's armor, and I can say it was mostly because of this guide!! Thanks :)
Wow this is really high praise, thank you!!! And congratulations on beating them and getting the armor. It's very fancy and pretty, strut around and bask in the glory of your achievement :D
Thank you so much for posting this video. I watched it a dozen times before taking on the fight, and all your advice was spot-on. I’m on my first ever run of the game so I wasn’t confident about this fight. It took me 27 goes across two hours but I managed to do it without ever summoning anyone.
The Eagle Shield is perfect for this fight because it has great stability, and I had some of Havel’s armour too so I didn’t suffer too much knockback. Oh, and having the Black Knight Greatsword didn’t hurt… But what really worked for me was patience. One hit at a time, as you say!
Anyway, thank you again.
Seriously great guide you’ve made. I can tell you’ve sort a lot of tine & work on this. Quality layout & explanations! You helped me get these guys (Smough first) and solo. Thanks!
Oh thank you, I'm so glad I could help! Great job on beating them!!
"Golden-Armoured meat sandwich" 🤣
This is a fantastic video, nice work and a nice overall message. Keep it up!
Thank you so much! I watched this and beat them the first try after. Very well done 👍
Great guide, with lots of info I needed. Thanks for taking the time and effort to educate us scrubs. :)
Amazing guide! Thank you so much!
damn...best straight forward good knowledge I've found
Very thorough. Great guide.
This guide is super helpful! I really like how you laid the video out super informative!
Thank you! Anna put a ton of work into it, we're glad you liked it! /Nik
Two Star Players I actually just beat them due to the help from this guide it felt so good! Thank you for the content and hard work!
@@emilyblack5281 That's awesome! Congrats!
@@emilyblack5281 Out of curiosity, which strategy did you end up choosing?
Two Star Players I summoned Solaire and fought Ornstein first. I tried a bunch practice and keep from wasting humanity but it was difficult because for some reason Ornstein was lagging behind Smough so I spent way to much time running around the arena looking for an opening. But with Solaire and my true loves the pillars I was able to take them down.
This guide is awesome. First try after watching it: Smough was 3 hits away from dying; second: smough was 1 hit awas; third was the charm.
The idea of using a shield actually helped a lot :D
Really good one!
Great video thanks! I am going to try some of these tips. I have been trying not to ragequit lol
Thank you! You can do it!
THIS is the Best Beginners Guide on Smough and Ornstein i ve ever seen. Great Job.
And yeah 6 years not playing the Game i needed this again.
And the deer in the headlights is pretty accurate.
and i am only 6:30 into the video.
Thanks, hope it works for you and you beat them :)
@@TwoStarPlayers
I just did, 5 minutes ago. The Tip with the Pillars is REALLY helpful.
Even when the pillars are down the offer good protection. I beat them with the Giant Club +5 and Jump Hard attacks.
Oh and the Silver Knight Shield was also really helpful.
In the past i did really well with 2 handed Crystal Halberdt. It still amazes me he great the 2 work together. I think they are the hardest Boss Fight in the Game.
Amazing! I was stuck on 2nd phase Ornstein for at least 4 hours, trying to time rolls and getting punished HARD. After putting my Eagle shield up, beat him first try! Thanks alot! Probably saved me at least another 4 hours of trying to git gud and getting stabbed in the face for it :)
Well done.
This helped on ng+, thanks
Good video, nice job.
I accidentally hit Solaire and he aggroed on me. I eventually had to kill him to make him leave me alone. I feel so dirty now, and I need his help! Great video, many thanks!
My firet time playing this, im intimidated to even start this fight lol i havent had much resistance except for the capra demon but this gives me chills.
Oh, and those fucking archers
Can you pls help me about this
I only have 2 twin humanities
You think it's good to summon dear Soleir or I most go solo
Can I do this with drake sword?
So I didn't have any humanity, spent 20 minutes to figure out that only the Painter Guardians can be farmed for soft humanity. Finally, got my humanity, rushed back to Solaire for some happy help. As I was coming down the stairs and red phantom snuck up behind me, back stabbed me and pushed me into the giant knight guys....AHHHHHHHH!!!!! WTF?!!! Did you know that you can be silently invaded? Well you can and anyone who does that to someone is a piece of poo! Why is it fun or even challenging to sneak up on a player who doesn't know you are there and kill them? WOW you are such a good player, you can kill unaware people from behind, I'm super f*cking proud of you, gorg!
Haha oh no, that sounds frustrating. Invasions are a part of the game, for better or worse - it sucks a little that Anor Londo is a bit of a gank spot for super geared twinks preying on less experienced players but if it really bothers you that much I suggest you just play offline for a bit while in Anor Londo, if you're only going to summon Solaire. Playing online lets you get humanity from helping OTHER people beat the bossfight though, which is probably faster than farming painting guardians AND lets you practice the fight. Food for thought :) You got this!
Thanks!
This video is 3 years old but it helped me so much on beating smough and ornstein! Killing smough first was a bitch, but it was so worth it for the leo ring and ornsteins armor
best guide
I really appreciate this 🤘 on me first playthrough, the servers are still down, and as much as i love the man, solaire is useless, been stuck the past two days 😫😹 will try again tomorrow
Why people need a guide for bosses in DS is beyond me, the whole fun of it is dying over and over until you finally figure it out. It took me 2 days of trying and failing to beat these guys, didn't need a guide I'm sure many are like me though and watch this stuff after beating the game XD
3 mega important things that helped me with this fight:
1. kill ornstein first. super smough is WAY easier than super ornstein
2. sometimes its easier to turn off lock-on so that if one of out of sight, you can move the camera back onto both of them
3. you dont always have to roll. sometimes you can literally just walk backwards and save your stamina
To point number one, I honestly think this is a matter of preference and playstyle. I STRONGLY prefer fighting super Ornstein. And my observation from literally hundreds of fights as a sunbro here is that people are really, really bad at getting out of range of super Smough's electric boogaloo.
Step 1: covered !
Never knew you could block most of the buttslam with a sheild
I beat them today for the first time, solo, Smough first and then big Ornstein. Admittedly, though, I was pretty overlevelled and used Velka's rapier to deal tons of damage
Damn are these two really gonna make me use a shield for something other than parrying 😭
Idk how I'm ever going to get past this fight. Ever. It's a shame too, since it's a cool one, but I can't get over how far you have to go order to just try again. I lit all 3 bonfires, and none of the routes are any better than the other. They're cancer.
Not to mention that so many times I'm getting hit while I'm down, giving me no chance of recovery, meaning I feel your chances are next to nil unless you can no-damage this fight.
I'm trying to "git gud," but it's such a vague tip that I don't know how else to do it besides try and try again and bash my head against the wall. And I'm even using the crystal halberd. That's how trash I am right now, and it's killing my motivation to try again. I mean, what's the point if this is giving me no satisfaction whatsoever. I'm tempted to just put this down because none of the other games are giving me this much frustration.
I'm so sorry to hear you're frustrated with the fight. I hear ya, I've had moments like that as well.
It's not perfect as far as guides go, but in my Dark Souls LP you can see how I run to the boss and only really "fight" 2 enemies here: ua-cam.com/video/A9WAy8g0Lnk/v-deo.html I really suggest you take the same route.
I parry the Silver Knights here, which is something I suggest you learn. If you're only ever going to learn how to parry ONE type of enemy in the game, make it silver knights. Invest some time learning the right timing, just so you can get to the boss faster and with more Estus. On runs where I take damage before the bossfight because I flubbed a parry, I usually just run back to the bonfire and start again.
With a bit of practice you can just run/roll past the big giants. No need to fight them, unless you want to summon Solaire in which case I strongly suggest you fight them before summoning so he doesn't power himself out before the boss. The way to do it is to run over from the top and take the archer out first, then go down the stairs and just immediately run for the big door to the outside. That way, you un-aggro one of the giants and can fight 1:1. From that moment on, you need a 100% physical damage reduction shield with solid stability and block or roll through their swings. Attack them from the back, learn to tell their damage spell tell and run away when it happens and do not stand directly in front of them ever. You can actually roll through their legs when they do the shield slam, but it's a dangerous game.
Trade any souls you get for upgrade items at the giant blacksmith before entering the boss door so that it doesn't feel like you're wasting your souls in case that is bothering you.
Good luck, and don't give up skeleton! If this wasn't helpful, let me know what you're struggling with and I'll try to see if I can think of a way to help.
@@TwoStarPlayers Right now, I feel the bonfire inside the building is a bit better than the one under the elevator, and I've at least been blocking the silver knights attacks, then turning and ignoring them. Not 100% hitproof, but it works. And I already run past the giant knights. So I can run to the boss with no damage, but it just feels so taxing, as the run feels like another boss in itself.
One issue now is that I'm having trouble baiting out Ornstein. Whenever I focus on Smough, he relentlessly jabs, but when I distance myself and want him to lunge, he only does short ones, making him no faster than Smough.
I've decided to limit myself to 5 tries a day so I don't burn myself out, so see you when I beat this boss in 20 years, I guess.
@@hydroshock1853 There is a much better route to the boss. Step one is to rest at the bonfire with solaire in anor londo. Then, walk out of the room with the bonfire you just rested at and kill the knight next to the spiral staircase shown at 3:50. Walk around half way up the staircase and on your left there is a bridge. Take a running start from a bit farther up the staircase and hop right over the railing onto the bridge. This deals no fall damage. Then go straight across the bridge and into the room with the 2 big sentinel knights. Then simply run past them into the boss room. This route takes me less than a minute and you only have to actually fight one enemy. If your worried that this is considered cheating, it is not because it uses no glitches and the developers intentionally kept it in the game for the remaster.
@@tartar4407 Found it. Thanks. But now this boss is killing me. I just had a breakdown over it because I reached phase 2 twice and I failed while having one hit away. I'm not having fun anymore but I can't enjoy other games either... Help me
@@tartar4407 Like, do you have any idea how much it hurts after trying 30+ times and other people seem to make it look easy?
I only want to summon solaire and kill the big shit first to get orestien weapon
Thanks for the advice
I trapped one into the corner and went for his legs two handed style
You're welcome, glad it helped :)
@@TwoStarPlayers much appreciated
get 16 int, olachile staff, dark beads, power within, dusk crown, sorcery ring, and yeah, the biggest shield you can wield, and you can cheese this even if you are not a mage, if you are a mage, try to cover your eyes to make this a bit more challenging
follow up....took 5 deaths and that's it...thanks!
Greatsword does super well in this fight. I beat ornstein with giant fireballs and fire orbs. Just had him chasing me in circles. Then greatsword for super smough
The first time I finished ds I was a sorcerer and they just killed me once, then I tried cleric and realized how hard this fight should have been
I really don’t know what to do here. I can’t seem to find a way to fight ornstein without smough constantly one shorting me. Many of the times I can’t even hit them once. This is the one part of the game that I really just can’t do.
"I have not played as a sorcerer"
Oh you mean you actually play the game, I do too, no magic BS it literally becomes a 3rd person shooter at that point. Thanks for being a gamer!
I really wanted to use the humanity to summon solaire but i misclicked and used all 11 of them at the same time. Then died to the archers just before i realised i needed them. Im going to farm souls for hours it seems
Oh man, that's unlucky. But you could drop your summon sign on the ground and help other people beat the boss! If you're successful, you will be turned human again.
To add to what Nik said, you won't be turned human like in DS2 and DS3, but you will receive a soft humanity you can use restore humanity at a bonfire each time you successfully help somebody beat a boss.
If you have that one Snake Ring that increases drops you can equip it and head to the painted world to farm humanity from our friends the rats.
Wow. Thanks a ton! Beat them on 2nd try after watching this guide!
Congratulations, always happy this helps :)
I'm sorry for this..... The G is silent. I'm sorry it was bothering me
for me killing smogh first and ornstein second is easy for me because after orenstein become giant just close to him he can't hit you but when he jump get away from him
and yeah i recomende get getting black knight weapon because they have so much damage especialy black knight spear
What do I do against the 2 giants before the fight? Do they respawn? I almost used all my estus against them, how did you deal with them?
Yes, they respawn. Typically it's better to just attempt to run past them without fighting them, and going through the boss door before they can catch up with you. But if you want to summon Solaire to help you, you probably need to deal with them. They have a maximum range that they will follow you, so if you go to the end of the room only one of the giants will attack you and the other will stay behind, that way you can at least deal with them one at a time.
@@TwoStarPlayers omg thanks it worked! I beaten smough and ornstein, nice guide, helped me alot.
@@TwoStarPlayers and now... Hehehe... I can be extra T H I C C and become the very thing I destroyed... Smough!!!
Congratulations! Now keep on pushing to the end, and remember: don't give up, skeleton!
Lure them to the stairs an do an drop attack from above. Use the High ground like obi Wan did xd
Are occult weapons a better choice?
no, it isn't. it's better when you enter the catacombs.
How you beat these two is how you will beat the rest of the game was guns blazing learning the moves patterns both or cheesing or strategic
And all the bosses that come after them are far easier o defeat
This one time where I had summoned solaire to help me fight, I didn't kill the enemies in the hall, so when he was summoned I booked it to the fog wall. He eventually made it there but was trying to hit the enemies through the fog gate. His AI can be really stupid sometimes, so I had to bait one of the bosses over to hit him for him to actually lock on.
Nobody really does jolly cooperation anymore so I guess I’ll just have to do option 2
Are you on PC? I can help!
Lol I actually did them 2nd try first time and did smough 1st, then Ornstein. Guess I was overleveled cz in new game plus I got stuck as I did only the necessary bosses to beat the game and my exams are near😂
Go into the painted world and farm some souls to level up a bit more before going into this fight!
Very much so. Open that first big door as soon as you can and bonfire. Then, attack hollows in front of gate, then the spear blob around the statue, bonfire, repeat. I'm on New Game + and the spear blobs give 1000 souls each. I levelled like 4 times in 15 minutes.
I am playing dark souls right now and this boss fight is annoying. I've died more than 30 times... I saw this video and I really liked it and helped me understand the boss. tomorrow I will use your advise and try defeating them... wish me luck
Good luck!
how did it go
@@fatfurry how did it go? Well, they are one hell of a boss and it was very though but I was able to defeat them. Rn am at my second run of the game and this time I was able to defeat them way easier. Absolutely worth it ♡♡
@@Babiv-df4si good job !!!!!!! btw 5552127
@@fatfurry thanks ^w^ and... is that a nuclear code?
I killed the fast guy first, it took me a few minutes. Artorias n manus was bs.
Knight sheild works well
Was forced to do this solo cause I'm out of Humanity
Aw did you manage? Otherwise you can get humanity by successfully helping other players beat the boss.
I'm eating shit on my ng+ and now can't summon. No humanities to farm 😂
You can't help other players (easiest humanity source)? In that case, go to the depths and farm the rats - they drop humanity. If you have the covetous gold serpent ring equip it (found in Sen's fortress) for more item drops. Good luck!
Best guide so far, thank you very much! I finally beat the s*** out of these bas*ards!
This is not 2 star this is five star
LOL at using shields in a boss fight
I take serious offense when you say there's no glory in beating these bosses solo, cuz there is. The moment you finally beat them and get that rush and joy like "YEEAA F**K YOOUUUU".. Yea cheesing them with a partner doesn't have the same effect wtf are you even saying. All the glory is in beating them solo.
Xbox co op? Anyone
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