You're good mate, please keep up the excellent work good sir. Good old Wallace and his "Cold Case" grift. He is another apologist preaching to the choir and sadly tries to convince kids with his catch phrase and confidence scam. None of his "ex-detective" grift is convincing or compelling in any way, it's just another presup argument from ignorance and incredulity.
What relation does it have to the "argument from grandpa misunderstanding biology" (Banana man do doo do doo do), or "argument from grandpa misunderstanding science in general" (Hello, my name is ...)? Is it a derivative, a subset... We need to categorize this properly.
I'm starting to get very irritated by how often Christians are acting as if there was literally no human history prior to the life of Jesus, and therefore everything comes from him. I have heard apologists basically claim that Christianity is the origin of things like the very concept of forgiveness and the family unit. It's insane....
Yup. They've literally hijacked morals and ethics that we naturally developed over millions of years as a species. I've noticed it especially in America where being christian is seen as "coming good" or is a moral virtue. Whether it's true or not seems to be secondary or even irrelevant.
@@8114梦见 Yup, that, the promise of immortality and ignorance of science and natural processes are pretty much the main reasons religion has persisted for so long imo
Let's not forget the sheer racism that is also involved in attributing inventions and ideas from other cultures to their precious medieval Christian nations of Western Europe. Although in the US, I don't know how much of that is a failure of the US education system or them deliberately discounting the work of non-Europeans/non-citizens of the USA or Canada. There's definitely a history of white supremacy in the US public (and private) education system and it's only recently that efforts were begun to try to correct that false narrative (and those efforts have largely been a failure IMO).
Wallace’s argument about the eternal durability of printed material is undercut by the point Paul has made a million times: we don’t have ANY original copies of ANY of the scriptures, so we have no idea what they said or how they were changed.
So what if we have no idea whether the gospels are reliable. Does anyone think the world would be a radically different place if everyone actually believed Jesus rose from the dead?
@@theboombody they do. The ongoing collapse of modernity (an atheistic project), partly exemplified by the discovery of this new self that can be trapped in the wrong body, may open some eyes.
@@gregorytoews8316 the time in history when people lived more in line with religion was horrendous. Crusades , burning witches and heretics, slavery ect. The more secular the laws and society the better society has become in the west.
Love how Jim is so worried about vhs players going out of fashion and says books are the only reliable way to convey information. Is he not aware that koine Greek went out of fashion thousands of years ago
ANY convicted individual in jail BECAUSE of this “detective’s” testimony should definitely hire a lawyer to appeal their case. this “detective” obviously would LIE just to make his “case”.
Of course he would. He was a detective in the same county and at the same time as Mark Fuhrman - who got caught committing Perjury during the OJ Simpson case, and was convicted of criminal Perjury. The courts had to reopen quite a few cases Fuhrman testified in.
(Con) men have long known...that their job is not to convince the skeptics but to enable the gullible to continue to believe what they want to believe. --- Thomas Sowell ---
Every video I watch of Wallace makes me more convinced that an enterprising lawyer could probably get most of his cases overturned by demonstrating Wallace lacks understanding of the basic principles of evidence that (ostensibly) underpin our judicial system.
The thing is that Wallace knows how standards of evidence works, he just lies about it when doing apologism. You can even see a sort of evolution on his scripts from the videos when he was a novice to the ones nowadays, before, his premises contradicted his conclusions constantly, nowadays he just lies since the beginning.
@@danielkirienko1701 A judgement based on the faulty evidence of a detective can be overturned, right? The detective will be blamed for their incompetence in the case.
@@danielkirienko1701but he acts like a lawyer and misrepresents how the system works. For example, cops deal with hearsay all the time, and for the most part they don’t need to understand what it is to investigate a case, or how it applies when presenting the case in court.
OMG!!! I had no idea about printing in eastern countries before "our" printing press. Learning about all the flaws and biases in the US educational system is exhausting. 😥
To make you feel "better", it is a massive problem with all European and European-derived school curricula. And to be fair, this is the case with most countries, especially when it comes to those other countries doing something better/before them. But yeah, the US can be pretty egregious in indulging in this. If you go by just what is taught in US classes, you'd think nothing of note ever happened east of Israel, south of Egypt, or west of California until Christians started to show up in the countries in that ignored geography. I remember a UA-cam video that showed a "model of global exploration and discovery" that was entirely based on Christian missionaries. The guy that did it was European, and he got his behind handed to him.
@@Uldihaamanifest destiny and the weird mythos deifying of the founding fathers. The "the discovery is ours" despite it being made by immigrants in "their" country.
Ikr!! I have a friend that grew up in Brazil and it took her challenging some of thie history I knew to make me realize just how much propaganda is embedded in the US primary and secondary school system. If you ever read Tarzan by Edgar Rice Burroughs from the viewpoint of someone that didn't grow up in an education system that skimmed over just _what_ Manifest Destiny means in the justification of western European colonization you'll be surprised at what the story your reading is really about... and the romance is secondary.
Another fun bias of the US educational system: the Wright Brothers weren't the inventors of the airplane. It was made by a Brazilian named Santos Dumont.
As one extremely smart Fire Chief and educator said, "I don't understand why you are studying so hard (for promotion) it's the C students who get promoted." I am sure Wallace was one of those C students that were promoted to detective.
Almost always when someone points out the issues with computers as an archival tool, they're demonstrating that (1) they don't know very much about computers and (2) they've never tried to maintain archival data in any other form.
Its especially funny when you see just how many cases exist of oeople trying desperately to remove content off the internet, sometimes even their own, only to find its spread too far and theres no hope if taking it all down. Heck even billion dollar companies cant control their movies and shows from getting spread around the internet for free
The one significant advantage of papyrus/paper as an archival medium is that it was cheap enough to permit accidental archiving of unimportant (at the time) information like grocery lists. Such incidental information is critical to historians.
It's funny that he mentioned Luke Skywalker. Luke as a character had infinitely more impact on me than Jesus ever did (although I was raised with both). Luke taught me that you stand up for what you believe in, always stand by your friends, and always believe in the good in people. In my life, from my personal experience, the fictional character of Luke taught me infinitely more than the fictional character of Jesus.
I always enjoy telling the story of Superman's sacrifice in the Justice League tv show (where he flew in front of a lethal blast to save his friends) and how it was a superior sacrifice to Jesus's, since Superman had no idea he was going to survive. Unlike Jesus, who actually sacrificed nothing.
@CausalityLoop at worst, Jesus would have to have been in hell suffering for our sins for 48 hours, maybe as little as 36 hours. And after that he got resurrected and elevated to the right hand of god to be the second-most powerful being in the universe. Even if we take his entire life, that's about 30 years out of an eternity he now gets to reign in heaven. Yeah, real sacrifice right there.
Ngl, I have to say that as a kid, I was far more influenced by Bugs Bunny than Luke Skywalker or Jesus 'christ'. Bugs was suave and warm and charming and generous... until he decided vengeance was deserved.
@@hailsagan8886 _"Science has questions that may never be answered"_ Possible. _" Religion has answers that may never be questioned"_ Those questions probably aren't worth asking... Religion, christianity in particular, has hold society back for ages. Do you still believe that the earth is the center of the universe?
Paul, the quality of your content is absolutely remarkable... so well done and thoughtful. Keep doing what you are doing. It's a shame the LOTR series is lost forever.
Honestly, Wallace being one of the most incompetent and dishonest apologists makes sense. Given his education and career path as a cop, its obvious that critical thinking and integrity were not integral to his life. As I've stated before, I would bet money that he approached his cases by deciding who he wanted to convict and only acknowledging evidence that agreed with his predetermined conclusion.
My guess is the cops they put on Cold Cases aren't exactly the best or brightest. There isn't exactly insane pressure to solve a 30 year old murder or whatever.
Doubly so when the city you work in is basically a living version of Mayberry! There is not a big need for a cold case investigation for a city that would have maybe 3 or 4 homicides a year!
Funny how "the most reliable, trustworthy source of technology for communication is still the printed word" when we have absolutely none of the originals of his favorite myths. Just because something can be copied significantly doesn't make it more reliable. Using his logic I could claim that oral tradition is the most reliable, trustworthy source of communication because all that it requires is that humans continue to exist, and once humans no longer exist the communication will no longer be necessary.
It's "the most reliable, trustworthy source of technology for communication is still the printed word" because he wants you to buy his book. He even transparently plugs it. He's not a true believer -- he's a huckster. He couldn't care less how people get their info so long as he gets paid. He didn't spit on digital books in his rant now did he.
How many times did Wallace say "turns out" then follow it with a brazen assertion that he's done little to no work showing that it actually follows from anything he was saying beforehand?
I've asked why God doesn't send Jesus before flooding the earth as a last ditch attempt to save the place. Mostly people just get angry and say god can't do that because reasons.
In a slip of the tongue, Paul said that the fallacy of "post hoc ergo propter hoc" means "after this, therefore before this", when I'm sure he meant to say "after this, therefore because of this". Still an excellent video (as always).
This is great. My uncle was dying of cancer. He asked me to read Wallace's book, "Person of Interest". He wanted me to return to Christianity of course. He must have figured that the book would speak to me, because I'm also a cop. I agreed to read the book, and I did read it. It did not, alas, restore my long lost faith. It did rekindle my intellectual interest in religion. This lead me to "God: An Anatomy", Mormon Stories Podcast, Mythvision, and of course, Paulogia. So, I must sincerely thank my dear, departed uncle. This may not be what you intended, but it has improved my life.
Excellent rebuttals Paul. Before platforms like this, we would sit in church meetings and listen to misinformation from people like Wallace who used any sort of status to sound like they were an authority on the subject matter. No more. I'm no longer involved in church but i hope young people see videos like this and go back and bombard speakers like him with the hard questions.
I cannot imagine being the host and nodding and saying "right" as just pure nonsense spews forth. Thank you Paul for your public service, as always, in dissecting this and sharing your analysis.
Ah, I see you've never been a church regular either! I didn't go to "mass" often myself, but what I do remember is just how painfully routine and mindless the experience was. Sit down, stand up, kneel, sit, kneel, stand up, grab the little booklet and sing the correct words at the correct time or else face the evil glares from everyone within earshot... The whole experience felt more like being a cog in a machine. It's been decades since I was a child forced to do the meaningless rituals, but even if it had been yesterday I'm not sure I could even remember what the useless parasite up front would've been babbling about because I was so distracted getting ready to do the next step in the performance. The only thing I remember is when I was forced by my parents to go to a prep "class" for my "Confirmation" and thinking to myself, "...what exactly am I confirming, here? that I actually believe any of this nonsense? But *nobody* believes this stuff, it's just a dumb tradition... isn't it?" I imagine someone forced to go twice a week every week would never stand a chance at thinking outside the Idiot Box. To wit: Captain Bobblehead nodding along to Wally Wallace.
@@EdwardHowton Going to church always disgusted me. My church was all elderly people, and my pastor seemed to only ever talk about Revelations. So I, as a child, sat there listening to him terrifying people who were all very close to death about how if they didn't get right with god they'll be burning forever. Watching the pastor beg for donations, draining money from these grandma's retirement accounts, while also NEVER delivering on any of his promises for expansion and renovation of the church. The pastor could never afford to fix the doors, or the bathroom, or the sound system, or the parking lot, or even his own podium, but you want to know what he could ALWAYS afford? An annual vacation to Africa, payed for by the old ladies in the church, THAT HE always had time and money for. That's when I realized that religion might not be fake, but my church was the very definition of a shameless scam.
He literally says “no no no I’m not saying Jesus is divine because he’s the most popular! I’m saying he’s divine because no one else is as popular as him.” Like… come on
Funny how the biggest drawback of printing on paper isn't mentioned, just how fragile paper is. It burns, it dissolves in water, inks fade. Paper is incredibly fragile, but that is Yahweh's preferred method of transmitting is infallible message?
I just visited burial mounds that were built by the Adena people here in my home state of Ohio and from what I saw they knew nothing about a first century Galilean cult leader.
Apologetics is such a completely obvious con. A whole field that isn't about a quest for truth, but it is all about boosting up some mythology or other.
Paul, this is one of your best videos. My biggest takeaway is something that shouldn't need to be pointed out but you did need to: In any group of entirely natural phenomena, one of them HAS to be the biggest or strongest or fastest or most popular or whatever, and attributing a supernatural cause to them is just silly. Yet folks do it. They just can't accept a world without magic where they want it to exist. I note that Wallace is leaning into the increasingly popular (it seems) promotion of Christian belief as a synonym for "modern Western world" (see Jordan Peterson and Ayaan Hirsi Ali).
It seems to be a new attempt to pander to people who share traditional Christian social and political positions without actually believing. "Yeah, we know you think Christianity is bullshit, but we're still on the same team politically so just acknowledge our importance." It's actually kind of pathetic, or would be if it weren't dangerous.
I have some sympathy for the late Professor Donald Kagan's view about the two component parts of Western Civilization. He said the two primary currents are the Christian one, and the Graeco-Roman one. Together, they clash in many ways, and he said because of that Western civ is an ambiguous society.
@@olefredrikskjegstad5972 , that's an interesting 'take' since there are scholars who have pointed out that Judaism was already somewhat Hellenized by Jesus' time (which is not surprising, coming three centuries after Alexander the Great conquered the entire region) and that Christianity borrowed much from Greek thought and narrative in its Gospel narratives and theology/philosophy. That would suggest that the Jew-vs.-Greek dichotomy wasn't as great as we have been led to believe and that Christianity was even less distanced from Greco-Roman thinking and practice than Judaism was.
Thanks Paul for all the hard "detective" work you put in to produce this content. You have these phony apologists scrambling and losing the argument and they know it. You are not being ignored.
Wow, JWW sure convinced me that the best way to preserve data is to handwrite them on the skin of a dead goat! I'm sure he uses only that too, doesn't he?
I do like to point out to those who found Jesus's "love your neighbor as yourself" rule to somehow be "profound" is that A) even within the story, that he's just quoting Leviticus 19:18 so it has nothing to do with Jesus in particular, B) In the Luke version of the story it wasn't even Jesus who said it, but the "expert in the law" quoted it to him, and C) the whole point of the story of the good Samaritan wasn't to be "good to everyone"... it was to define WHO was your neighbor. And the moral was that the Samaritan was the neighbor of the injured man, not the other way around. So you only have to love as yourself people who already do nice things for you. The golden rule of Luke 6:31 and Matthew 7:12 I don't have a direct quote for, but Jesus claims in the Matthew version that he's summarizing the law and the prophets. (Which is definitely not a summary of the 613 mitzvot.)
The story of the Monkey King had such an long lasting effect on several Asian cultures that I would use it as an example of influential fictional characters.
I notice they make an apparent admission that the spread of God's word, is entirely dependent on the tools of man. I think it would be a lot more convincing if they could show God's actual involvement in the process. In a religion hinged on an incarnation of God walking the Earth causing miracles and teaching, it's very strange that God became so passive a participant in something so important. Why is their God so inhibited by social and technology issues? If Wallace values the written word so much, why didn't Jesus write anything?
More miraculous to write on the side of a mountain words that can never fade or deteriorate. Surely, God could do that directly instead of relying on the technology of Humans.
God seems to want humanity to do his work because it's humanity's privilege. I think it's pretty interesting God gave us so much mathematics from the human being Euler, rather than just showing it to us directly.
@@dygz The Code of Hammurabi was carved onto a massive, finger-shaped black stone pillar before 1750 BCE; it was lost then rediscovered in 1901. The stone tablets engraved with His Laws, that God gave to Moses in about 1500 BCE have, unfortunately, disappeared.
I wonder how many cases Wallace solved in a way it would stand up in court. I get the idea most of it fell flat on its face. The methods shown used for his "greatest cold case" do not bode well for the lesser cases.
Considering he likes to put out ideas like "if i have a suspect you have to propose a new suspect before we move on from the old one", id suspect a lot of misfires
This thin-skinned ex-detective being one of the more famous apologists right now is just one more hilarious examples of the sad state of Christian apologetics. Also, I love how he acts like a hard-boiled tough guy but in reality he just runs from criticism and blocks people who disagree with him.
Great response Paul! One minor correction: At 8:00 you state "post hoc ergo propter hoc" as "after this therefore before this". I believe what you meant to say was "after this therefore caused by this". P.S. You deserve FAR more subscribers!
When that guy says "this isn't physics, it's not like mathematics" he gives the game away, because it should be BETTER than mathematics and physics, not worse. Physics has been worked out without the help of a single god, yet it's predictive and descriptive power blows ALL divinely-inspired works out of the water. How is that possible?
Wallace is correct. Books are the best way to quickly disseminate accurate information far and wide. Once they are written down, they can never be altered, misinterpreted, mistranslated, misattributed, or fake passages added to them over the centuries. And everyone always agrees there is only one way to correctly understand what is written within. That's why Christianity is the only religion. And it has only one denomination and not over 40,000 of them. A true success story. We are all in debt to the one - and only one - set of clear, concise, succinct, non-contradictory, irrefutable Christian teachings.
Pretty sure the most influential and world changing event was when we could observe bacteria. From that event we learned so much and society changed immensely, culture changed science changed etc etc so i guess bacteria are divine?
i googled wallace to see just how great his professional detective skills are, but all i could find was pages of stuff he'd written himself, nothing about his police work.
Same. I went to the source & filed an Open Records Request & it stil hasn't been fulfilled after 4 months. Why are they dragging their feet? What are they hiding?
@@mantasplah7791 Possibly. But body camera footage that's embarrassing to cops gets released everyday. I think it has more to do with him being a "celebrity" cop, so they keep that intel on lock. If he values truth, then they should release all the information I asked for.
What an absolutely mind boggling take to say Jesus is God because most good inventions were made by Christians. These people can't see past the end of their noses
It's also just wrong... in a kind of racist way. I say "kind of" because the US education system has pushed white supremacist versions of history since it was first created. There were some minor efforts to remove the racist elements of our education systems post-Civil Rights Amendment, but those have basically not gone anywhere and the racists have doubled and tripled down in states that dominate textbook sales - which determines what textbooks are available to the rest of us. Basically, I'm not sure if Wallace is actively racist here or is simply repeating the racist versions of history that he was most likely taught in school.
As far as the influential part, I'd say Paul and the other New Testament authors were much more influential than Jesus. None of them even met Jesus yet they spun a yarn so compelling that Christianity became huge. Some scholars (Richard Carrier and others) even argue Jesus never actually existed.
Great video (as usual!!) I’m a former Calgarian too, now back home in the UK. Small world isn’t it? 😊 I should also say thanks for helping me in my deconstruction with logic and science. Taking apart what I used to believe and rebuilding my views is hard work, and your channel is a big part of that for me. Thank you!
i just listened to some audio recordings made on my palm pilot a few months ago. The file was something like 3 gp which was easily read (and converted to various formats) by an app.
When you said his actual argument was worse than the out-of-context stuff you showed at the beginning, I was pretty skeptical. But good lord, man...this one was a doozy.
I always learned that Western Civilisation was founded on Greek culture, which fascinated the Romans. So Christianity was based on the Roman interpretation of Greek culture. Which was then held back by the Church for hundreds of years, until The Enlightenment.
And only survived because non-christians (jews and muslims) translated them from greek to arabic... Maybe that's the reason we have many terms borrowed from arabic (most starting with "al" meaning "the") like algebra, algorithm, alcohol, admiral, azimuth, Beeteljus...
I can’t believe this guy is arguing that science and mathematics came from Christian Europe. The Mayans, the Chinese, the Persians, the Mongolians, the Sumerians, the Inca, the Indians, universities starting in Africa, the Greeks…and as you said, the European period of scientific enlightenment was in spite of Christian beliefs and dogmatic views.
Yeah, writing is the perfect medium. Because archiving the Dead Sea Scrolls in a cave until Goat Herd Retrieval technology followed by 30 years of I'm Not Going To Let You See It and then There's Only Eight Guys Who Speak This Language Who Are Going To Argue Forever-- is the perfect medium for getting your ideas across.
I have never heard something so demonstrably wrong spoken with such unearned confidence, in my life. Ik dunning kruger is not an actual measurable thing, but goddamn these guys would be some candidates.
“I’m not saying Jesus is divine because he’s the most popular, I’m saying Jesus is divine because no one else is as popular as him.” Yes Wallace, that’s what “most popular” means.
“this argument is just one of many.” yeah, one of many bad arguments. also, why is he spending so much time on limitations of technology? it’s almost like he doesn’t believe his god is all powerful.
As I understand it, Wallace was never a prosecuting attorney. Who knows how much of the evidence he "found" ever made it into court and of that, how much influenced a jury.
Somebody else may have already said this, but this isn't just a Christian worldview or a eurocentric road view. This is part of a massive effort to normalize a specifically white Christian nationalist worldview.
The whole "we wouldn't have physical copies of it" argument is hilarious if you remember that we don't have manuscript copies of the Bible for like the first 300 years or more... and they're all in ancient Greek or Latin, so talk about not being able to read it!
Wallace states he doesn’t make a living as an apologist. But he has several books listed on Amazon that discuss faith and an evidence-based approach to belief. Potato/Potatoe
Btw, there are still VHS VCRs being made today. Mostly for older security systems in poor areas of asia, but if you need one, you can still get one. Id post the Amazon link, but YT keeps deleting any post I make with links to Amazon products.
Another small correction. Did you know, we call them arabic numbers but they are actually Indina. The history of Indian mathematical progress started in the 4th century, whereas the Arabic started in the 8th century.
22:58 Yet the numerous changes made before mass printing is still an issue. (Example: the words husband & wife do Not exist in the original text the kjv was written from)
LOVED THIS, thank you, Paul. Doesn't "post hoc ergo propter hoc" translate to "after this, therefore BECAUSE of this"? (i.e. When one notes "x" occurs before "y," but erroneously concludes "x" CAUSED "y"?
Not on paper that rots and disintegrates. Not using fallible human scribes. Not in a language that could get lost to time. Not using translations that can vary. Not in separate works that need to be compiled or excluded. Not in a way that can be misunderstood and disagreed about.
I would say not. Why would an all knowing omnipresent being need to write anything down? He can basically remember and communicate anything he needs to at any possible time. Writing is something that humans created to deal with the limits of human knowledge/mortality/ limitations in communication.
@@nathanjasper512 Exactly. Anything God needs to convey can just be conveyed directly to whoever that God wants to know it. God would not write a book. Any religion claiming a holy text written in only a certain time and place for a certain people in a certain language is most probably false. Any religion that claims no new scripture will ever be written is almost certainly false; why would an all-powerful God close the door on revelation? It's obviously absurd if you think about it for more than a few minutes.
Is it just me or does Wallace say at 5:16 "If you think there's ANOTHER fictional character in the history of fictional characters who's had that impact, show me who that is."? I mean, maybe there was context beyond that clip that doesn't impact the point Paul was making, but this seems... interesting, at least. And also, fantastic job as always!
Many things *are* only available on optical discs. I spent much of the last week looking for online, legal or illegal, sources for some shows and came up with nothing. Fortunately I do have a blu-ray drive so I can watch them. But if you want to preserve something you need to actually keep a copy yourself on hardware you own.
Gaming computers and consoles “still” have disc drives, as major games are “still” distributed as discs. But in recent years people download or stream movies, so most have no need for one, and not having one enables laptops to be smaller.
I think you misspoke. Post hoc, ergo propter hoc means 'after this, therefore because of this'
Yup... can I blame it on sneaking off to hurriedly record this in my theist parents' basement in the midst of family holiday celebration? Oops.
You're good mate, please keep up the excellent work good sir.
Good old Wallace and his "Cold Case" grift. He is another apologist preaching to the choir and sadly tries to convince kids with his catch phrase and confidence scam.
None of his "ex-detective" grift is convincing or compelling in any way, it's just another presup argument from ignorance and incredulity.
@@Paulogia Paul, you naughty heathen you!! 😂
@@PaulogiaI hope you do.
*Gasp!* A corrective comment PINNED by the host?! This is what honesty looks like!👍
Thank you, Paul.
This is my first time hearing the “argument from grandpa misunderstanding technology.”
PoZ, you think Jesus is the reason why Torrance PD isn't releasing Detective J Dub's information? 🤔
What relation does it have to the "argument from grandpa misunderstanding biology" (Banana man do doo do doo do), or "argument from grandpa misunderstanding science in general" (Hello, my name is ...)? Is it a derivative, a subset... We need to categorize this properly.
Finally they got a new one LOL
I'm starting to get very irritated by how often Christians are acting as if there was literally no human history prior to the life of Jesus, and therefore everything comes from him. I have heard apologists basically claim that Christianity is the origin of things like the very concept of forgiveness and the family unit. It's insane....
Yup. They've literally hijacked morals and ethics that we naturally developed over millions of years as a species.
I've noticed it especially in America where being christian is seen as "coming good" or is a moral virtue. Whether it's true or not seems to be secondary or even irrelevant.
Got to make themselves the center of the universe somehow I guess…
@@8114梦见 Yup, that, the promise of immortality and ignorance of science and natural processes are pretty much the main reasons religion has persisted for so long imo
Let's not forget the sheer racism that is also involved in attributing inventions and ideas from other cultures to their precious medieval Christian nations of Western Europe. Although in the US, I don't know how much of that is a failure of the US education system or them deliberately discounting the work of non-Europeans/non-citizens of the USA or Canada. There's definitely a history of white supremacy in the US public (and private) education system and it's only recently that efforts were begun to try to correct that false narrative (and those efforts have largely been a failure IMO).
It's because they read the Old Testament and think to themselves - 'that was some crazy shit people did before Jesus came on the scene!'
God needing the Roman road network 2000 years ago makes as much sense as God needing a starship in 250 years.
I saw what you did there, James T Kirk
Literally the only thing I remember from Star Trek 5 is that line.
@@bigskypioneer1898And that McCoy should have said it.
Funny how the most "Influential" man in history has minimal evidence of his existence
Wallace’s argument about the eternal durability of printed material is undercut by the point Paul has made a million times: we don’t have ANY original copies of ANY of the scriptures, so we have no idea what they said or how they were changed.
Fragments….
So what if we have no idea whether the gospels are reliable. Does anyone think the world would be a radically different place if everyone actually believed Jesus rose from the dead?
@@gregorytoews8316 A lot of secularly minded people have a misplaced hope that ending all religion will somehow make every major problem go away.
@@theboombody they do. The ongoing collapse of modernity (an atheistic project), partly exemplified by the discovery of this new self that can be trapped in the wrong body, may open some eyes.
@@gregorytoews8316 the time in history when people lived more in line with religion was horrendous. Crusades , burning witches and heretics, slavery ect.
The more secular the laws and society the better society has become in the west.
Small correction: Charles Babbage proposed the analytical engine, but Aida Lovelace is considered the first programmer.
The man who invented the cam is the first programmer
@@808bigisland No, he isn't. A rotating shaft with humps is not a program.
Love how Jim is so worried about vhs players going out of fashion and says books are the only reliable way to convey information. Is he not aware that koine Greek went out of fashion thousands of years ago
Why do we need preachers and pastors every Sunday if the Book is the only reliable medium.
"getting a masters in apologetics"
A degree in knowing nothing, losing every argument, and thinking you know everything and always win. Got it.
*They say that **_"love is blind"_** ;*
But the love that some Christians have for Jesus, _also makes them deaf & dumb as well._
ANY convicted individual in jail BECAUSE of this “detective’s” testimony should definitely hire a lawyer to appeal their case.
this “detective” obviously would LIE just to make his “case”.
They don’t have to _prove_ , they have to _convince_ .
Of course he would.
He was a detective in the same county and at the same time as Mark Fuhrman - who got caught committing Perjury during the OJ Simpson case, and was convicted of criminal Perjury. The courts had to reopen quite a few cases Fuhrman testified in.
(Con) men have long known...that
their job is not to convince the skeptics
but to enable the gullible to
continue to believe what they want
to believe.
--- Thomas Sowell ---
Every video I watch of Wallace makes me more convinced that an enterprising lawyer could probably get most of his cases overturned by demonstrating Wallace lacks understanding of the basic principles of evidence that (ostensibly) underpin our judicial system.
He was a detective, not a prosecutor. Different jobs.
The thing is that Wallace knows how standards of evidence works, he just lies about it when doing apologism.
You can even see a sort of evolution on his scripts from the videos when he was a novice to the ones nowadays, before, his premises contradicted his conclusions constantly, nowadays he just lies since the beginning.
@@danielkirienko1701he doesn't describe it like that though. He is the judge jury and executioner.
@@danielkirienko1701 A judgement based on the faulty evidence of a detective can be overturned, right? The detective will be blamed for their incompetence in the case.
@@danielkirienko1701but he acts like a lawyer and misrepresents how the system works. For example, cops deal with hearsay all the time, and for the most part they don’t need to understand what it is to investigate a case, or how it applies when presenting the case in court.
OMG!!! I had no idea about printing in eastern countries before "our" printing press. Learning about all the flaws and biases in the US educational system is exhausting. 😥
To make you feel "better", it is a massive problem with all European and European-derived school curricula. And to be fair, this is the case with most countries, especially when it comes to those other countries doing something better/before them.
But yeah, the US can be pretty egregious in indulging in this. If you go by just what is taught in US classes, you'd think nothing of note ever happened east of Israel, south of Egypt, or west of California until Christians started to show up in the countries in that ignored geography.
I remember a UA-cam video that showed a "model of global exploration and discovery" that was entirely based on Christian missionaries. The guy that did it was European, and he got his behind handed to him.
@@Uldihaamanifest destiny and the weird mythos deifying of the founding fathers. The "the discovery is ours" despite it being made by immigrants in "their" country.
Ikr!! I have a friend that grew up in Brazil and it took her challenging some of thie history I knew to make me realize just how much propaganda is embedded in the US primary and secondary school system. If you ever read Tarzan by Edgar Rice Burroughs from the viewpoint of someone that didn't grow up in an education system that skimmed over just _what_ Manifest Destiny means in the justification of western European colonization you'll be surprised at what the story your reading is really about... and the romance is secondary.
Yeah, it’s bigger than “the U.S. educational system”. University general education really is helpful.
Another fun bias of the US educational system: the Wright Brothers weren't the inventors of the airplane. It was made by a Brazilian named Santos Dumont.
As one extremely smart Fire Chief and educator said, "I don't understand why you are studying so hard (for promotion) it's the C students who get promoted." I am sure Wallace was one of those C students that were promoted to detective.
"The most reliable way to store information is the printed world" which is why Jesus came long before printing
Well, moveable type printing anyway. People still wrote by hand.
😂 They mean the written word, I hope.
can i write in cursive, or write in print? you’re conflating written print with gutenberg. printing by hand has been done since the sumerians.
He was a detective and thinks UA-cam could be erased completely by flipping a switch. He put people in prison. That’s truly scary.
Almost always when someone points out the issues with computers as an archival tool, they're demonstrating that (1) they don't know very much about computers and (2) they've never tried to maintain archival data in any other form.
I mean it's also ironic because there is a better form of data storage for permanence, stone tablets.
And every time he talk about how much more safe books are I wonder if he ever tried to delete something from the internet.
Its especially funny when you see just how many cases exist of oeople trying desperately to remove content off the internet, sometimes even their own, only to find its spread too far and theres no hope if taking it all down. Heck even billion dollar companies cant control their movies and shows from getting spread around the internet for free
The one significant advantage of papyrus/paper as an archival medium is that it was cheap enough to permit accidental archiving of unimportant (at the time) information like grocery lists.
Such incidental information is critical to historians.
It's funny that he mentioned Luke Skywalker. Luke as a character had infinitely more impact on me than Jesus ever did (although I was raised with both). Luke taught me that you stand up for what you believe in, always stand by your friends, and always believe in the good in people. In my life, from my personal experience, the fictional character of Luke taught me infinitely more than the fictional character of Jesus.
I always enjoy telling the story of Superman's sacrifice in the Justice League tv show (where he flew in front of a lethal blast to save his friends) and how it was a superior sacrifice to Jesus's, since Superman had no idea he was going to survive. Unlike Jesus, who actually sacrificed nothing.
@CausalityLoop at worst, Jesus would have to have been in hell suffering for our sins for 48 hours, maybe as little as 36 hours. And after that he got resurrected and elevated to the right hand of god to be the second-most powerful being in the universe. Even if we take his entire life, that's about 30 years out of an eternity he now gets to reign in heaven. Yeah, real sacrifice right there.
Ngl, I have to say that as a kid, I was far more influenced by Bugs Bunny than Luke Skywalker or Jesus 'christ'.
Bugs was suave and warm and charming and generous... until he decided vengeance was deserved.
Our "detective" Wallace is a little guy: He blocks commenters.
Apologetics is about protecting bubbles. You don't want to allow outside information.
Science has questions that may never be answered. Religion has answers that may never be questioned
@@goldenalt3166 _"You don't want to allow outside information."_ True. 👍
@@hailsagan8886 _"Science has questions that may never be answered"_ Possible.
_" Religion has answers that may never be questioned"_ Those questions probably aren't worth asking... Religion, christianity in particular, has hold society back for ages. Do you still believe that the earth is the center of the universe?
Especially when you bring up his "detective," skills....😂
Paul, the quality of your content is absolutely remarkable... so well done and thoughtful. Keep doing what you are doing. It's a shame the LOTR series is lost forever.
Honestly, Wallace being one of the most incompetent and dishonest apologists makes sense. Given his education and career path as a cop, its obvious that critical thinking and integrity were not integral to his life. As I've stated before, I would bet money that he approached his cases by deciding who he wanted to convict and only acknowledging evidence that agreed with his predetermined conclusion.
My guess is the cops they put on Cold Cases aren't exactly the best or brightest. There isn't exactly insane pressure to solve a 30 year old murder or whatever.
Doubly so when the city you work in is basically a living version of Mayberry!
There is not a big need for a cold case investigation for a city that would have maybe 3 or 4 homicides a year!
Incompetent... I guess he is top 5.
Dishonest... That's a tough competition.😂
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Funny how "the most reliable, trustworthy source of technology for communication is still the printed word" when we have absolutely none of the originals of his favorite myths. Just because something can be copied significantly doesn't make it more reliable. Using his logic I could claim that oral tradition is the most reliable, trustworthy source of communication because all that it requires is that humans continue to exist, and once humans no longer exist the communication will no longer be necessary.
It's "the most reliable, trustworthy source of technology for communication is still the printed word" because he wants you to buy his book. He even transparently plugs it. He's not a true believer -- he's a huckster. He couldn't care less how people get their info so long as he gets paid. He didn't spit on digital books in his rant now did he.
When a political system used the religion...and the hand of power and fear...that person [even a person of fiction] absolutely _can_ gain popularity.
I sm LOVING these investigations into the "good detective". Nice one, Paul
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How many times did Wallace say "turns out" then follow it with a brazen assertion that he's done little to no work showing that it actually follows from anything he was saying beforehand?
Notice how Wallace completely ignores the suggestion of God sending Jesus before the tower of Babel.
I've asked why God doesn't send Jesus before flooding the earth as a last ditch attempt to save the place.
Mostly people just get angry and say god can't do that because reasons.
@@MrDalisclockthat sounds like a nice 3rd-arm to Pinecreek's poof-or-drown hypothetical, I might try it out.
@@MrDalisclock actually he should have sent Jesus while Adam Eve Cain and Abe were all alive.
@@mattm8870 Lol, "Jesus, Marriage Councillor". Though I suppose A & E weren't married, were they?
@@mattm8870 Probably wouldn't have been enough.
In a slip of the tongue, Paul said that the fallacy of "post hoc ergo propter hoc" means "after this, therefore before this", when I'm sure he meant to say "after this, therefore because of this". Still an excellent video (as always).
Came here to leave this same comment. Will leave up vote instead. We'll written comment.
Unfortunately someone beat you to it and Paul pinned that comment.
Not an excellent video. It would have been, but the mistranslation of "post hoc ergo propter hoc" killed it completely
@@hammerotongo4677 He didn't mistranslate, he misspoke. Those are two different actions.
This is great. My uncle was dying of cancer. He asked me to read Wallace's book, "Person of Interest". He wanted me to return to Christianity of course. He must have figured that the book would speak to me, because I'm also a cop.
I agreed to read the book, and I did read it. It did not, alas, restore my long lost faith. It did rekindle my intellectual interest in religion. This lead me to "God: An Anatomy", Mormon Stories Podcast, Mythvision, and of course, Paulogia.
So, I must sincerely thank my dear, departed uncle. This may not be what you intended, but it has improved my life.
Excellent rebuttals Paul. Before platforms like this, we would sit in church meetings and listen to misinformation from people like Wallace who used any sort of status to sound like they were an authority on the subject matter. No more. I'm no longer involved in church but i hope young people see videos like this and go back and bombard speakers like him with the hard questions.
Oh, yes, it's already happening, younger guy here with many of his online Atheist friends being of roughly the same age.
Hard questions like "When did you actually solve cold cases" and "Why can't you tell the truth about when you actually solved cold cases, Wally"
My favorite hard question is - if nothing matters, then why does truth matter? But of course not everyone believes that nothing matters.
I cannot imagine being the host and nodding and saying "right" as just pure nonsense spews forth. Thank you Paul for your public service, as always, in dissecting this and sharing your analysis.
Ah, I see you've never been a church regular either!
I didn't go to "mass" often myself, but what I do remember is just how painfully routine and mindless the experience was. Sit down, stand up, kneel, sit, kneel, stand up, grab the little booklet and sing the correct words at the correct time or else face the evil glares from everyone within earshot... The whole experience felt more like being a cog in a machine. It's been decades since I was a child forced to do the meaningless rituals, but even if it had been yesterday I'm not sure I could even remember what the useless parasite up front would've been babbling about because I was so distracted getting ready to do the next step in the performance.
The only thing I remember is when I was forced by my parents to go to a prep "class" for my "Confirmation" and thinking to myself, "...what exactly am I confirming, here? that I actually believe any of this nonsense? But *nobody* believes this stuff, it's just a dumb tradition... isn't it?"
I imagine someone forced to go twice a week every week would never stand a chance at thinking outside the Idiot Box. To wit: Captain Bobblehead nodding along to Wally Wallace.
@@EdwardHowton oh my gosh! So true!
@@EdwardHowton Going to church always disgusted me. My church was all elderly people, and my pastor seemed to only ever talk about Revelations. So I, as a child, sat there listening to him terrifying people who were all very close to death about how if they didn't get right with god they'll be burning forever. Watching the pastor beg for donations, draining money from these grandma's retirement accounts, while also NEVER delivering on any of his promises for expansion and renovation of the church. The pastor could never afford to fix the doors, or the bathroom, or the sound system, or the parking lot, or even his own podium, but you want to know what he could ALWAYS afford? An annual vacation to Africa, payed for by the old ladies in the church, THAT HE always had time and money for. That's when I realized that religion might not be fake, but my church was the very definition of a shameless scam.
He literally says “no no no I’m not saying Jesus is divine because he’s the most popular! I’m saying he’s divine because no one else is as popular as him.” Like… come on
Unfortunately, there are cops like this. That he moved on to become a lying, incompetent apologist is no surprise.
Funny how the biggest drawback of printing on paper isn't mentioned, just how fragile paper is. It burns, it dissolves in water, inks fade. Paper is incredibly fragile, but that is Yahweh's preferred method of transmitting is infallible message?
Fragments…
I wonder, in how many other cases did Wallace allow the supernatural to be a potential cause?
Or the prosecutor he worked under...and, wonder how a judge would rule on admissibility??
@@johnoglesby-vw7ck “you’re honor, the girl was not kidnapped. Based on the best available evidence, she merely ascended to Heaven. Case closed!”
😂😂😂 I would pay good money to see someone ask him that when he's brainwashing kids at one of his school grifts
Wallace's God sounds awfully impotent if he needed Roman roads but couldn't handle modern technology.
7:57 I believe that "Post hoc ergo propter hoc" translates as "After this, therefor _because_ of this"
Correct.
Minor correction: propter means "because of/on account of". Post hoc ergo propter hoc means "after this, therefore because of this."
Thank you. I was looking for this comment.
I just visited burial mounds that were built by the Adena people here in my home state of Ohio and from what I saw they knew nothing about a first century Galilean cult leader.
So the serpent mound isn't a warning not to eat the apples. Odd that.
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@@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar yeah the Book of Mormon basically American history fanfic.
@@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar LOL They did that themselves.... have you read their book?
J W Wallace is the anti-Sherlock Holmes.
Apologetics is such a completely obvious con. A whole field that isn't about a quest for truth, but it is all about boosting up some mythology or other.
A message worth repeating.
Baffled one could get a PhD in apologetics.
Exactly. Apologists work to assuage believers.
The used car salemen degree
@@Rurike Perfectly described!!!
To Kill a Mockingbird was highly influential for me. That doesn't mean that Atticus Finch was divine.
And then we find out in the sequel book that he was a big fat racist.
Rome is highly influential, so Romulus MUST have existed, otherwise Rome would not be built!!!!
24:17 Also, "buy my book". It's amazing that a print author would think that print was the best medium. I never would have guessed.
@_Niddy_ To be fair, Matthew, Luke, and John each thought that previous gospel(s) were not enough and needed better apologetics book.
Paul, this is one of your best videos. My biggest takeaway is something that shouldn't need to be pointed out but you did need to: In any group of entirely natural phenomena, one of them HAS to be the biggest or strongest or fastest or most popular or whatever, and attributing a supernatural cause to them is just silly. Yet folks do it. They just can't accept a world without magic where they want it to exist.
I note that Wallace is leaning into the increasingly popular (it seems) promotion of Christian belief as a synonym for "modern Western world" (see Jordan Peterson and Ayaan Hirsi Ali).
It seems to be a new attempt to pander to people who share traditional Christian social and political positions without actually believing. "Yeah, we know you think Christianity is bullshit, but we're still on the same team politically so just acknowledge our importance." It's actually kind of pathetic, or would be if it weren't dangerous.
Yes, regarding your second paragraph we are definitely seeing more of that. Unfortunately.
I have some sympathy for the late Professor Donald Kagan's view about the two component parts of Western Civilization. He said the two primary currents are the Christian one, and the Graeco-Roman one. Together, they clash in many ways, and he said because of that Western civ is an ambiguous society.
@@olefredrikskjegstad5972 , that's an interesting 'take' since there are scholars who have pointed out that Judaism was already somewhat Hellenized by Jesus' time (which is not surprising, coming three centuries after Alexander the Great conquered the entire region) and that Christianity borrowed much from Greek thought and narrative in its Gospel narratives and theology/philosophy. That would suggest that the Jew-vs.-Greek dichotomy wasn't as great as we have been led to believe and that Christianity was even less distanced from Greco-Roman thinking and practice than Judaism was.
Thanks Paul for all the hard "detective" work you put in to produce this content. You have these phony apologists scrambling and losing the argument and they know it. You are not being ignored.
"Christianity didn't become a world religion because of quality of its teachings, but by the quantity of its violence" - Eleanor Ferguson.
Wow, JWW sure convinced me that the best way to preserve data is to handwrite them on the skin of a dead goat! I'm sure he uses only that too, doesn't he?
Yes, the notoriously durable and immutable medium: paper.
I love how he lied about most scientist are Christians, when most are in fact atheist or agnostic.
I like the idea of you titling your videos "CHRISTIANS DESTROY MY ARGUMENT!" as a reverse click-bait :D
I do like to point out to those who found Jesus's "love your neighbor as yourself" rule to somehow be "profound" is that A) even within the story, that he's just quoting Leviticus 19:18 so it has nothing to do with Jesus in particular, B) In the Luke version of the story it wasn't even Jesus who said it, but the "expert in the law" quoted it to him, and C) the whole point of the story of the good Samaritan wasn't to be "good to everyone"... it was to define WHO was your neighbor. And the moral was that the Samaritan was the neighbor of the injured man, not the other way around. So you only have to love as yourself people who already do nice things for you.
The golden rule of Luke 6:31 and Matthew 7:12 I don't have a direct quote for, but Jesus claims in the Matthew version that he's summarizing the law and the prophets. (Which is definitely not a summary of the 613 mitzvot.)
I've been making that point about the Samaritan and the neighbor for years. Nice to see someone else is making it too
Since in order to follow Jesus you must hate yourself, loving your neighbor as yourself means hating your neighbor.
I love that cat sitting on the bent roof!
I like the one in the bowl!
The story of the Monkey King had such an long lasting effect on several Asian cultures that I would use it as an example of influential fictional characters.
I notice they make an apparent admission that the spread of God's word, is entirely dependent on the tools of man.
I think it would be a lot more convincing if they could show God's actual involvement in the process.
In a religion hinged on an incarnation of God walking the Earth causing miracles and teaching, it's very strange that God became so passive a participant in something so important.
Why is their God so inhibited by social and technology issues?
If Wallace values the written word so much, why didn't Jesus write anything?
He's in a 2-way battle of hide-n-seek with sasquatch, and he refuses to lose to a missing link....😂
More miraculous to write on the side of a mountain words that can never fade or deteriorate.
Surely, God could do that directly instead of relying on the technology of Humans.
God seems to want humanity to do his work because it's humanity's privilege. I think it's pretty interesting God gave us so much mathematics from the human being Euler, rather than just showing it to us directly.
@@dygz The Code of Hammurabi was carved onto a massive, finger-shaped black stone pillar before 1750 BCE; it was lost then rediscovered in 1901. The stone tablets engraved with His Laws, that God gave to Moses in about 1500 BCE have, unfortunately, disappeared.
I wonder how many cases Wallace solved in a way it would stand up in court.
I get the idea most of it fell flat on its face. The methods shown used for his "greatest cold case" do not bode well for the lesser cases.
Considering he likes to put out ideas like "if i have a suspect you have to propose a new suspect before we move on from the old one", id suspect a lot of misfires
This thin-skinned ex-detective being one of the more famous apologists right now is just one more hilarious examples of the sad state of Christian apologetics.
Also, I love how he acts like a hard-boiled tough guy but in reality he just runs from criticism and blocks people who disagree with him.
"Live feeding the 5000" is such a cooler subtitle that what currently exists
Do you also have a link to that Prophet of Zod video?
Great response Paul! One minor correction: At 8:00 you state "post hoc ergo propter hoc" as "after this therefore before this". I believe what you meant to say was "after this therefore caused by this".
P.S. You deserve FAR more subscribers!
When that guy says "this isn't physics, it's not like mathematics" he gives the game away, because it should be BETTER than mathematics and physics, not worse. Physics has been worked out without the help of a single god, yet it's predictive and descriptive power blows ALL divinely-inspired works out of the water. How is that possible?
Wallace is correct. Books are the best way to quickly disseminate accurate information far and wide. Once they are written down, they can never be altered, misinterpreted, mistranslated, misattributed, or fake passages added to them over the centuries. And everyone always agrees there is only one way to correctly understand what is written within. That's why Christianity is the only religion. And it has only one denomination and not over 40,000 of them. A true success story. We are all in debt to the one - and only one - set of clear, concise, succinct, non-contradictory, irrefutable Christian teachings.
Pretty sure the most influential and world changing event was when we could observe bacteria. From that event we learned so much and society changed immensely, culture changed science changed etc etc so i guess bacteria are divine?
i googled wallace to see just how great his professional detective skills are, but all i could find was pages of stuff he'd written himself, nothing about his police work.
Same. I went to the source & filed an Open Records Request & it stil hasn't been fulfilled after 4 months. Why are they dragging their feet? What are they hiding?
@@utubepunkmaybe he did something that embarrassed the police department so now they want cover it up
@@mantasplah7791 Possibly. But body camera footage that's embarrassing to cops gets released everyday. I think it has more to do with him being a "celebrity" cop, so they keep that intel on lock. If he values truth, then they should release all the information I asked for.
@@utubepunk could it be that his methods got a few inocent people convicted
The people later got released they seud
and now that incident is buried
When listing non-Christian scientists and mathematics don’t forget Einstein and the other non-Christian Nobel Prize winners and Darwin.
Genghis Khan steps into the building.. he spread his seed far and wide.
What an absolutely mind boggling take to say Jesus is God because most good inventions were made by Christians. These people can't see past the end of their noses
Stan Lee was influential, therefore Spiderman is real. I hope I don't get thanos snapped
It's also just wrong... in a kind of racist way. I say "kind of" because the US education system has pushed white supremacist versions of history since it was first created. There were some minor efforts to remove the racist elements of our education systems post-Civil Rights Amendment, but those have basically not gone anywhere and the racists have doubled and tripled down in states that dominate textbook sales - which determines what textbooks are available to the rest of us.
Basically, I'm not sure if Wallace is actively racist here or is simply repeating the racist versions of history that he was most likely taught in school.
What... A cop that doesn't respect or acknowledge other cultures significance to western society.. Shocker of shocks
Wallace forgot places that aren’t Europe and the U.S. exist
I enjoy seeing cartoon Paulogia back. I seem to focus on the message way more during these videos.
Without Turing, the war at a minimum could have gone on for longer, and quite possibly ended very differently.
As far as the influential part, I'd say Paul and the other New Testament authors were much more influential than Jesus. None of them even met Jesus yet they spun a yarn so compelling that Christianity became huge. Some scholars (Richard Carrier and others) even argue Jesus never actually existed.
Great video (as usual!!) I’m a former Calgarian too, now back home in the UK. Small world isn’t it? 😊 I should also say thanks for helping me in my deconstruction with logic and science. Taking apart what I used to believe and rebuilding my views is hard work, and your channel is a big part of that for me. Thank you!
Written books are the best. That's why we have zero remaining copies of the original New Testament Gospels.
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This was just excellent. It should prove iconically so. Thanks, Paul.
Love your videos. Always happy to see a new one in my feed.
i just listened to some audio recordings made on my palm pilot a few months ago. The file was something like 3 gp which was easily read (and converted to various formats) by an app.
When you said his actual argument was worse than the out-of-context stuff you showed at the beginning, I was pretty skeptical. But good lord, man...this one was a doozy.
The best time to start a religion is when people are the most gullible. Got it.
I always learned that Western Civilisation was founded on Greek culture, which fascinated the Romans. So Christianity was based on the Roman interpretation of Greek culture. Which was then held back by the Church for hundreds of years, until The Enlightenment.
And only survived because non-christians (jews and muslims) translated them from greek to arabic...
Maybe that's the reason we have many terms borrowed from arabic (most starting with "al" meaning "the") like algebra, algorithm, alcohol, admiral, azimuth, Beeteljus...
I can’t believe this guy is arguing that science and mathematics came from Christian Europe. The Mayans, the Chinese, the Persians, the Mongolians, the Sumerians, the Inca, the Indians, universities starting in Africa, the Greeks…and as you said, the European period of scientific enlightenment was in spite of Christian beliefs and dogmatic views.
Yeah, writing is the perfect medium. Because archiving the Dead Sea Scrolls in a cave until Goat Herd Retrieval technology followed by 30 years of I'm Not Going To Let You See It and then There's Only Eight Guys Who Speak This Language Who Are Going To Argue Forever-- is the perfect medium for getting your ideas across.
I have never heard something so demonstrably wrong spoken with such unearned confidence, in my life. Ik dunning kruger is not an actual measurable thing, but goddamn these guys would be some candidates.
“I’m not saying Jesus is divine because he’s the most popular, I’m saying Jesus is divine because no one else is as popular as him.” Yes Wallace, that’s what “most popular” means.
“this argument is just one of many.” yeah, one of many bad arguments.
also, why is he spending so much time on limitations of technology? it’s almost like he doesn’t believe his god is all powerful.
I love that, at 5:14, Wallace says "If you think there's *another* fictional character . . . " when referring to Jesus. Oops.
I pity anyone who was prosecuted by Wallace
As I understand it, Wallace was never a prosecuting attorney. Who knows how much of the evidence he "found" ever made it into court and of that, how much influenced a jury.
“I’m not saying Jesus is divine because he’s the most popular, I’m saying he’s divine because no one else was as popular as him.”
Somebody else may have already said this, but this isn't just a Christian worldview or a eurocentric road view. This is part of a massive effort to normalize a specifically white Christian nationalist worldview.
Yayyyy love the Wallace content 😂
The whole "we wouldn't have physical copies of it" argument is hilarious if you remember that we don't have manuscript copies of the Bible for like the first 300 years or more... and they're all in ancient Greek or Latin, so talk about not being able to read it!
Wallace states he doesn’t make a living as an apologist. But he has several books listed on Amazon that discuss faith and an evidence-based approach to belief. Potato/Potatoe
Btw, there are still VHS VCRs being made today. Mostly for older security systems in poor areas of asia, but if you need one, you can still get one. Id post the Amazon link, but YT keeps deleting any post I make with links to Amazon products.
Another small correction.
Did you know, we call them arabic numbers but they are actually Indina. The history of Indian mathematical progress started in the 4th century, whereas the Arabic started in the 8th century.
22:58 Yet the numerous changes made before mass printing is still an issue. (Example: the words husband & wife do Not exist in the original text the kjv was written from)
"Post hoc ergo propter hoc (Latin: 'after this, therefore *because* of this')" - wikipedia
(You said "after this therefore *before* this")
LOVED THIS, thank you, Paul.
Doesn't "post hoc ergo propter hoc" translate to "after this, therefore BECAUSE of this"? (i.e. When one notes "x" occurs before "y," but erroneously concludes "x" CAUSED "y"?
Luke Skywalker had a tremendous effect on me. Kreia/Darth Treya also had a huge effect on me, years later.
What’s more likely a god that doesn’t write a thing or a god that actually writes?
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Not on paper that rots and disintegrates.
Not using fallible human scribes.
Not in a language that could get lost to time.
Not using translations that can vary.
Not in separate works that need to be compiled or excluded.
Not in a way that can be misunderstood and disagreed about.
@@draxthemsklonst all knowing being that can only have 1 son… so amazing
I would say not. Why would an all knowing omnipresent being need to write anything down? He can basically remember and communicate anything he needs to at any possible time. Writing is something that humans created to deal with the limits of human knowledge/mortality/ limitations in communication.
@@nathanjasper512 Exactly. Anything God needs to convey can just be conveyed directly to whoever that God wants to know it. God would not write a book. Any religion claiming a holy text written in only a certain time and place for a certain people in a certain language is most probably false. Any religion that claims no new scripture will ever be written is almost certainly false; why would an all-powerful God close the door on revelation? It's obviously absurd if you think about it for more than a few minutes.
Is it just me or does Wallace say at 5:16 "If you think there's ANOTHER fictional character in the history of fictional characters who's had that impact, show me who that is."? I mean, maybe there was context beyond that clip that doesn't impact the point Paul was making, but this seems... interesting, at least.
And also, fantastic job as always!
Many things *are* only available on optical discs. I spent much of the last week looking for online, legal or illegal, sources for some shows and came up with nothing. Fortunately I do have a blu-ray drive so I can watch them. But if you want to preserve something you need to actually keep a copy yourself on hardware you own.
13:43 thank you for the history lessons throughout this video, @Paulogia !
Gaming computers and consoles “still” have disc drives, as major games are “still” distributed as discs. But in recent years people download or stream movies, so most have no need for one, and not having one enables laptops to be smaller.