InspiringPhilosophy's Jesus Tomb Argument (plus Embarrassment)
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- "Was Jesus buried in a tomb the gospels record?" The topic of a recent debate featuring Michael Jones of InspiringPhilosophy. His opening statement was interesting, and I thought it was worth addressing here.
While I'm at it, I might as well say a few words about another recent video of his... Examples of the Criterion of Embarrassment by Secular Historians.
Jim Majors Vs Michael Jones - Inspiring Philosophy: Was Jesus Buried In A Tomb?
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ERRATA - I can't find in my notes where I took the 600BC dating for the ankle with a nail find, so until further notice I retract this claim of mine as an error and non-supportable by the best evidence.
I was certainly surprised to hear that people were being crucified at such an early date.
Googling around a bit, it seems that before 600BCE would be appropriate for proto-Samaritan.
And here we see intellectual honesty: or, as apologists would say, something totally impossible.
I was like "600 BC is before Pilot's birth"? No shit! That's before the birth of Rome! That's not just pre-empire, that's pre-republic!
Couldn’t you just react like a fundamentalist, double down on your assertion, and say that you know in your heart it is true? :)
Teacher: “Matthew, I know you copied your paper from Mark!”
Matthew:”Aww man, how’d you find out?”
Teacher: “Because in Chapter 2, verse 3, Mark wrote ‘He doesn’t know.’ You wrote ‘Neither do I”.
SpaceLordof75 😂🤣😂🤣🤙
Close enough. Good spot.
That's a good one
@@agadirand4four347 Proven how? Because the bibly tells you it was? If I picked up the 50th anniversary edition of the LOTR book and in Two Towers it recaps what happened in Fellowship of the Ring, does that prove that Fellowship of the Ring was a documented event and Two Towers is also because of Return of the King and since Return of the King is the sequal to TT which documented FotR that means RotK is also correct all along and that makes the trilogy true? No, it doesn't, it's not proof at all, and even if there were people of those names and they did happen to write the book, that still doesn't prove god.
@@agadirand4four347 Always deny faith when searching for facts, faith is belief without evidence. You don't believe in Islam do you? Why not? It's just as likely Allah is the one true creator in your logic, I don't have to worry because I can look at the holy book of said religion and spot contridictions and flaws in these gods, even just one proves the "all knowing" part wrong, god being unable to fix sin is proof against "all powerful" and god killing is proof against "all loving". So god fails on every level.
The case against the existence of the empty tomb:
-no mention of the empty tomb outside of the gospels.
-no mention of Joseph or Arimathea outside of the gospels.
-no mention of the town of Arimathea outside of the gospels and no archaeological evidence that this place ever existed.
-Arimathea translates to something like "best disciple town“ which doesn’t sound made up at all.😉
-the romans crucified hundreds of people each week, usually they were left to rot on the cross or ditched in a mass grave, so they would most likely not allow that Jesus was placed in a tomb.
-Denying crucified criminals a proper burial was an important part of the punishment.
We have records of extremely rare exceptions... but never for insurrectionists like Jesus.
-Paul, our earliest source doesn’t mention the empty tomb or Joseph or Arimathea.
-the story looks like it was invented to fulfill a prophecy "Jesus is buried with the rich“.
-the character of Joseph of Arimathea enters the story just to provide an empty tomb, then immediately leaves the story just to be never heard of again. Sounds like something written by JJ Abrams.😉
-in the beginning of the life of Jesus there were Joseph and Mary... and in the end of his life there were different people called Joseph and Mary. Sounds like something George Lucas would write... it’s like poetry, it rhymes.😉
-the empty tomb is probably the most important place ever for Christians... but somehow they immediately forgot where it was. And it has never been found.😂
Jtzkb
Sure, but the empty tomb is an important part of the minimal facts argument.
And if your minimal facts are that dubious then all of your other "facts“ that you are less confident in are even less likely to be true.
But you are right, obviously the minimal facts argument was invented because apologists no longer wanted to defend the most ridiculous parts of the story like the zombie invasion that is only mentioned in one gospel and nowhere else.
Can’t forget the fact that Pilate in the gospels acts entirely out of character as he is described in Josephus; here he cow-tows to the Jewish mob and just allows Jesus to be an exception to the rule of all crucifixions
Good points. But I'm not sure about that last sentence, about the tomb never being found. I think that Christians have found at least two different tombs of Jesus, haven't they?
Both the Garden Tomb and the Church of the Holy Sepulchre claim to be the tomb of Jesus. And since an old, empty tomb is pretty easy to find - especially since tombs were typically re-used - I wouldn't be surprised if there were more than that.
But then, that's a god for you. Gods can do anything you _want_ them to do, including disappearing from two different tombs, I suppose. :)
Admittedly, it seems rather careless of Christians to lose track of their most holy site, anyway. Unless maybe the people living in Jerusalem at the time knew better than to believe this nonsense, and it was just people who weren't there and merely heard the stories later who believed it?
@Sam Bacon
_So, do you think that some con artist saw her coming, and decided to really cash in?_
That's likely, huh? But it wouldn't even have to be a con artist. "Lying for Jesus" could have been just as likely back then as it is today. Losing the tomb probably wasn't making Christianity _more_ believable to non-Christians. So even if suddenly "finding" it again was a lie, it was still a lie for Jesus, right? And where's the harm in _that?_ :)
Admittedly, money usually ends up helping out in these situations, even if it wasn't the whole answer (which it certainly could have been). The "tomb of Jesus" was going to become a tourist attraction. And pleasing the wealthy and extremely influential _mother of the emperor_ wouldn't have been seen as a bad thing, anyway!
Bill Garthright
If you visit the right places in Turkey you can buy precious artifacts.
A piece of wood from the Ark for example.
They found the Ark... a dozen times, and as long as gullible believers pay good money they will probably find it another dozen times.😂
Just tell them: "I'll stop playing the jingle when churches stop playing the jingle."
Whoever believes in the Lord Jesus Christ shall not perish but have everlasting life. Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand’ Jesus is returning to judge the living and the dead!
@@jakemacory6035 _Hums jingle_
Well, if He does, I'll hold my trans and lesbian and gay and bi friends close and I'll go wherever they go
Any neighborhood that had Mr. Rogers in it was having a beautiful day by definition, regardless of the weather.
And therefore a video showing that he was in the neighborhood could serve as evidence that it was in fact a beautiful day in said neighborhood at the time of filming
Well, I guess anyone living in said neighborhood could be a more reliable source than Mr Rogers himself.
Chessmate athesits!
@@photosynthetichermitcrab have g ulo
@@photosynthetichermitcrab in
IP: Modern Christians enjoy lying for Jesus but it is absurd that ancient or early Christians lied for Jesus.
Oh God, I think I'm actually going to make it through the entire day without eating cheese. Ideal would be no more often than every other day.
All religeous people Are either indoctrinated from birth or lie at least to themselves. either way it is alwas based on a lie.
YOu cannot go from no belief to belief a god exist without contiously making the choise. and therefore lying to yourself.
Having already accepted that god exists, searching for a way to justify the choice. aka more lying to yourself with fake evidence.
there is nothing honnest about a religion. it is lies on lies on lies.
And to respond to his claim that new testament is the sole victin of unfair amounts of scrutiny, most fantastic claims of historical figures are not believed until corroborated. See Alexander the great, Julius Caesar, George Washington, Albert Einstein, etc.
@@Silentsouls This is absurd. You cannot hold a belief by choice. As long as I still believed, I believed with sincerity. It's enough to not have a functional epistemic engine, which is true of most people.
@@Silentsouls I'm pretty sure that, when I was born, I didn't have a belief in God. And I don't think I consciously and rationally made the choice to believe when I was raised by adults who accepted his existence as fact, was taken to church where I was taught details about him, and played with other religious kids after service. I wasn't being dishonest, just lazy in not examining my beliefs on the issue until many years later shortly before I became an atheist.
Roman Soldiers: Too elite and scary to steal a body from when they are in front of a tomb. But cut an ear off of one of them with a clumsy sword attack and they will just stand there looking stupid while your master casually bends down to pick it up and puts it back on.
Just a minor point, but the person who got his ear cut off was a servant of the high priest, not a roman soldier.
@@IsaacCoverstone ahh, thank you for the correction. Now that I think about it my main exposure to that part of the story has been the plays/shows about it from when I was a kid in church. So when I read the Bible as an adult my mind probably just inserted Roman soldiers into the role since that's all I had seen.
Kinda like every Noah movie has him begging and pleading with the people to prepare for the incoming flood and then getting laughed at. Even though that scene never happens in the actual story.
@@IsaacCoverstone If in the middle of the night one groups surround another and a fight starts then everyone gets killed. This is just another fantasy story. By the way if the Romans even had suspected a guy who is considered a king of the Jews they would have send Roman legionairies and they had killed everybody. The story presented in the gospels makes no sense. It is even whitewashed to appeal to the Romans.
This is one of your best, Paul. So clear, precise, calm and polite - yet delivering one of the sickest burn I've seen in quite some time!
💚👌
Wow, thank you!
@daniel letterman
To my mind, this is the value of diversity. I mean, I love Paul's videos. But I also love the Scathing Atheist. We don't have to be calm _all_ the time, and a variety of approaches are almost certain to be more valuable than one. Or more fun, at least. :)
A new Paulogia video? **dropping everything else**
@Ad Lockhorst Luckily I never had a goldfish. Only goldfish crackers. And they survived the fall. 😄
get those pants back on, Missy... this is a family channel! :D (for the bible tells me so!)
I never understood why IP is held in such high regard by so many Christians.
Hes the best they got for bringing deism to christianity
People like it when they don't have to think for themselves.
High regard in philosophy/ethics. Not history.
He tells them what they want to hear using smart sounding words and that makes them feel smart too.
@@walterbrooks2329 you just described modern youtube atheism.
Even before watching it, Inspiring Philosophy does often use music in his videos to try and emotionally manipulate his audience
Very much so Baz. To be fair to him, his video's are very professional looking. You can see that many Christians will be convinced by his video's.
@@bonnie43uk they would have been convinced otherwise, since the large majority of his comments are of two flavours. 1) they are in awe of his "reaserach" and depth of insight (describing an inability to comprehend but since it doesn't directly challange anything they already believe then must be true), and 2) you agree with me.
Its incredulity and ignorance mostly, and even at times when his followers recite his videos completely wrong to defend or agree with him, he only addresses the dissenters calling him out directly...or used to. I don't actually know what his online presence is anymore these days since he hasn't made many physics based videos that are much easier for me to criticise.
@@nunyabisnass1141 How are you with evolution nunya?, I'm in conversation on a different video with a Christian who is demanding I give him 3 empirical proofs of evolution. It's not a subject I'm well versed in other than I'm pretty sure it's the only game in town.
@daniel letterman cheers for that daniel, i will check out those sites, this guy is a real tool, I've even told him that even if Richard Dawkins himself gave him proof, he would not accept it. He's a young earth creationist.
@@bonnie43uk - Good luck, but in my experience arguing with young earth creationists tends to be rather useless. It's sort of like arguing with flat earthers. They didn't reach their conclusions because of evidence, but because of religious faith. As such they are starting from the position that they have the truth and can't be convinced other wise.
IP has the courtroom analogy backwards, ancient texts are accused of being true. They are innocent of being true until they are proven guilty of being true.
Innocence implies truth. Guilt implies falsehood. So no.
@@benwright738 incorrect. That's not how the burden of proof works. In logic or in a courtroom.
The ancient texts are making claims about what happened in the past. The default position is to not believe the claims until the claims are supported by evidence.
In a courtroom the defendant is accused of a crime. The default position (of the judge or jury) is to not believe the accusation until the accusation is supported by sufficient evidence. This is the essence of "innocent until proven guilty".
The default position on ancient texts is to not believe them (i.e. they are innocent of being true) until the claims in the texts are supported by evidence (i.e. they are guilty of being true).
The implication that innocent=true and guilty=false is completely misplaced here.
The more correct perspective is guilty verdict=claim/accusation is supported by evidence and innocent verdict=claim/accusation is not supported by evidence.
@@walterbrooks2329useing mathematics (it's one of the 4 branches of science) there is a good argument with evidence I can use to prove God exist. There are Physicist that have done math to show the likely hood of our universe happening "by chance" and they counted every variable for it. One stated that for life to come from nothing (which violates the biological law that life can only come from other life), nothing being molecules accidently arranged them selves to make the first DNA to mindless form into the first living cell is comparable to a tornado going into a scrap metal yard and building a passenger airplane by chance.
The math showed there is a 10^40,000 in 1 Chance of that happening though natural process.
To put that into perspective, if you could speak 32 Zeros in 6 seconds it would take you 4 hours to say that whole number. And it would take about 38 pieces of paper to write out the full number as well.
I can't believe something that has that small of a number behind it.
It would be illogical for me to believe that the universe "accidentally" was created from a huge unorganized explosion (Big bang theory, nothing created everything) made laws of physics that line up for life to exist in the first place. (Protons neutrons and electrons having the ability to even combine together to make Anything in the universe including life forms, and there's no logic or thought behind something so complect and complicated happended by a mere 10^40'000 in one chance.
So by the creation of the universe it's self, and seeing how wonderful and good it was created, It would be more illogical to Believe nothing caused it. In a way, believing something like that is it own fairy tail. It's just more intellectual.
Is IP just the modern-day Duane Gish? He just spews out a long string of bogus claims that his opponents then go around cleaning up.
Get ur saddle ready for the gallop
We could probably cure cancer if all this effort to prove “Jesus” was redirected to more useful endeavors.
Even just redirected at determining which prayer cures cancer. That would show they believe their own claims, rather than trying to hide the claims flaws.
I keep saying this about the criminals. If only.
Sadly, the quality of person that spends his/her time trying to prove Jesus would be completely useless to scientific endeavors. Mite as well ask a bunch of chimps to put on lab coats and help in the lab, at least those can be trained.
@@timeshark8727 I actually had to ghost my best friend, which is bad, I know, but she told me she's oblivious to the world around her, because she walks in Jesus's light. The conversation was in context of a murdered woman in her neighborhood. I live about 130km away. I knew about it, but she didn't, and that was her justification. Essentially, it was the straw that broke the camel's back. It was building from "oh, you believe in the big bang?". Ja, I couldn't anymore.
@@timeshark8727 Agreed, we don't want the apologists, just the money spent on them.
~15:00-16:00 "No reason for Christians to invent..."
Is he reading from the same text as the rest of us?
I am not sure that they intentionally invented. If you see old tapes of some of Charlie Manson's followers - they were willing to die for him - and several would have had not California banned the death penalty before they were executed, and they would have gone to their graves singing his praises! Or films of followers of David Koresh, many of whom DID die for him, attested to his miraculous healing powers as the 2nd coming. I saw it recently - my neighbor (who is an honest, but weird evangelical gay guy who sleeps with his live in boyfriend, but stays married to and living with his evangelical wife - because Jesus said divorce is wrong) strongly defended Trump's idea to look into injecting people with disinfectants the night he said it, and the next day, when Trump (after being ridiculed by most of the world) claimed he was sarcastically trolling reporters) he expressed his disbelief that I could be so dense as to not see that it was obviously a joke! His cult leader hit a reset button in his brain, and the new truth that I think he fully believed was that anyone could see he was joking... except that my neighbor had not, until he was told to believe that.
@@pdoylemi Jeez, I still remember seeing a clip of an evangelical Trump supporter on the news claim they wouldn't believe Trump was lying about things even if Jesus came down and personally told him that was Trump was lying.
@@thesacredlobo
Yep - that is how cults work. I still recall my brother and I being Altar Boys in 1968. We were Navy brats and went to a church run by a Navy chaplain. Our old (and pretty cool) young chaplain was transferred, and replaced with an old guy with a crew cut. My brother had long (but not by the standards of the time) hair, and Father Pohl said he could not be an altar boy if he did not get a "high and tight" haircut. My brother, being the rebellious kid he was, pointed at the crucifix above the altar, and said, "Jesus' hair was a lot longer than mine!" And this guy said, "If Jesus himself showed up here looking like that, I would NOT let him on this altar!"
How nuts is that? A priest of god, claiming that he would not let god set foot on the altar of god, because he did not like his hair!
IP has TERRIBLE arguments but he presents them as if they were good. SMH
He is copying William Lane Craig.
IP gets the unjustified confidence part right but he still hasn’t added enough smugness to be a real copy.😂
Correct.
Pretty standard for an apologist
That's a major assertion but I respect your opinion. Here is IP's response inspiringphilosophy.wordpress.com/2020/08/13/yes-jesus-was-buried-in-a-tomb-a-response-to-paulogia/
@@reshearchisgood6966 How can anyone think that someone came back to life ? Then to think well - "god" did it this way wayyyy back then when only a few people wrote down stuff and others believed in all sorts of crazy things? Yeah sure. I'm so glad I no longer believe this rubbish.
Just to point out at (Ironically named) Inspired Philosophy when he said,... *_"The Skepticism for the biblical text is excessive and not the same when it comes to other ancient documents"_*
Eh... Not true, I have never heard from no one single Atheist, Agnostic Philosopher, Historian or otherwise say something similar to *"I am very skeptic of the stories from the Christian Bible but, The Odyssey by Homer, those are completely historical factual, The Epic of Gilgamesh, now that's totally factual."* NO ONE Ever said anything like that.
Yeah, we are much too skeptical about extremely implausible stories about magic.😂
“Noah’s Ark? Bullshit. Ishtar propositioning Gilgamesh for sexy time? Now that’s historical FACT”
Well obviously IP is just mad that we don't treat documents that claim person x was the governor of area y between the years of a - b the same as the Bible. Of course, the notion that some person was the governor of an area during a certain time frame isn't exactly an amazing claim with world changing consequences if we accept the document as true.
Not to mention, whether or not Plato was right about Atlantis (since he is the source for all later texts on the island) has no bearing on what schools will teach my kids or what will be forced on us through the government. With Christianity, we cannot afford for this shit to be wrong if it is wrong
If there's any truth in his claim that there's excessive skepticism of the Bible, it's probably because they aggressively put people on the defensive. So many Christians would nag me about how learning about Jesus's life is the most important thing, & wouldn't take no for an answer, that when I finally relented and realized just how much our knowledge of the historical Jedus was overhyped, it persuaded me for several years that there wasn't even a convincing case that the man existed. I've since changed my mind back to my original stance based on information I've encountered since, but if they didn't constantly pester me to have scholar-level responses, I would have never stopped taking his existence for granted & needed that additional proof in the first place.
What? IP's skim-reading of the source material results in him getting it wrong? why, I declare myself absolutely surprised........
I wish there was a silly jingle that could play every time IP does this.
maybe we need a new one.
@@Paulogia
I'd love to hear "speed reader" set to the refrain of Gene Genie...
IP is like a person married to a disagreeable spouse evident to all, but he desperately wants to prove to the rest of the world that his spouse is desirable. He is an exemplar of those who practice confirmation bias.
I can't escape the conclusion that IP thinks absurdity is his personal burden to bear, not God's. No matter what it takes, dishonest readings of the Bible, or implausible ontologies like objective idealism, he'll do it; he'll make his outlook absurd so that God doesn't have to be absurd himself.
@@Venaloid yes, his obsession seems pathological.
my Lord- He has an imaginary girlfriend who no one has ever seen, but he comes around with scribbles and pretend it is a picture of her.
He comes across as a very arrogant person and that arrogance makes him an unbearable person.
Ah but im prone to confirmation bias and im atheist so yeah
I really like your content and style. Please keep it up. I was born into Christianity with the living fear of hell and nightmares as an adult. This work you do is very important so please know it makes a real difference and helps more than I can say.
Thank you Paul.
@daniel letterman Many thanks Daniel, Yes it's certainly a load off my mind to be able to drop the religious dogma. On the outside it's such rubbish, how can anyone think it's real. I really think that childhood indoctrination is a massive thing to counter and stop. I've been told by therapist that it amounts to child abuse. Giving little children the horrifying graphics of an eternity of hell is just terrible. Some versions don't do this by mine certainly did. Adults should wait until children grow old enough to develop critical thinking skills. If any of this rubbish about gods were true it would still be true when they could think about it sensibly. All my family and friends just know there is a god. That is never questioned. Like the sun, moon, wind, rain and a god. All equally being true. As a Christian you only need to pick the flavour you like the best. When I started asking how do we know there is a god in the first place the look of terror on faces was just .... err 'this does not compute!! error error.
If people taught children how to think instead of what to think I honestly imagine most of this rubbish would disappear in a generation.
The logical disconnect religious people need to have to make it all fit is astounding.
Sorry I think this all makes me very cross and I want to stand outside churches with a megaphone shouting 'wake up' to the people come out the doors.
(I'm not but wow this must be the angry phase I've heard about)
Best
Gray
It’s called narcissistic abuse. I was told as a child that I’m a worthless pos, and sinner and the guy on the cross was tortured and murdered because of me.
His representatives ( catholic pedos btw) told me that if I don’t do as they say- almighty, FORGIVING and LOVING god will torture me in hell for eternity. And btw oryginal sin - it’s women’s fault- this are hallmarks, and behavior typical for narcissists. The more empathy You have- the more You are going to suffer- „ thieves don’t break into empty houses”. I wish You guys all the best and quick recovery from religious abuse 💕
@@grunwald1i hope you are doing better now. That's terrible
@@grayintheuk8021i was a fundamentalist Christian as well out of fear it took one of my best friends who was Jewish and didn't think believe in Jesus dying in a car accident to shake my beliefs it mentally destoryed me why a loving god would send a kind loving person to hell forever for having the wrong theological beliefs it kinda contradicts the old testament and god saying I will not stay angry forever lol my friends ancestors were holocaust survivors and i tried to get him to convert and he told me I'd rather be in hell with my family and ancestors then alone in heaven with strangers this destroyed my mental health for years trying to reconcile my Christian beliefs with the morally evil version of the afterlife Christianity has.why would a loving god send good innocent people to a forever hell just for not believing in Jesus it's horrible.
@@MegaAnimeforlife Thanks for sharing that and I'm sorry for your loss. He sounds like a very kind and loving person. Deconstruction you faith can be very difficult and stressful so well done for breaking away. I wish you the best and if you are struggling then I'm happy to chat or there is the recovery from religion organisation that have trained councillors to help all of all that have left or are thinking of leaving organised religions.
Be well.
Nice examination. I had a chuckle to think that an apologist would have the burial and thus the resurection hang on a probability. One not even seeded or given a margin of error - thus only pseudo grounding. The emperor has no clothes.
No clothes, and it's winter.
... winter in _Antarctica._
lol, your "silly jingles" sure did rub him the wrong way.
That silly jingle must have been calling to his baser nature like a siren in the sea.
Whoever believes in the Lord Jesus Christ shall not perish but have everlasting life. Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand’ Jesus is returning to judge the living and the dead!
@@jakemacory6035useing mathematics (it's one of the 4 branches of science) there is a good argument with evidence I can use to prove God exist. There are Physicist that have done math to show the likely hood of our universe happening "by chance" and they counted every variable for it. One stated that for life to come from nothing (which violates the biological law that life can only come from other life), nothing being molecules accidently arranged them selves to make the first DNA to mindless form into the first living cell is comparable to a tornado going into a scrap metal yard and building a passenger airplane by chance.
The math showed there is a 10^40,000 in 1 Chance of that happening though natural process.
To put that into perspective, if you could speak 32 Zeros in 6 seconds it would take you 4 hours to say that whole number. And it would take about 38 pieces of paper to write out the full number as well.
I can't believe something that has that small of a number behind it.
It would be illogical for me to believe that the universe "accidentally" was created from a huge unorganized explosion (Big bang theory, nothing created everything) made laws of physics that line up for life to exist in the first place. (Protons neutrons and electrons having the ability to even combine together to make Anything in the universe including life forms, and there's no logic or thought behind something so complect and complicated happended by a mere 10^40'000 in one chance.
So by the creation of the universe it's self, and seeing how wonderful and good it was created, It would be more illogical to Believe nothing caused it. In a way, believing something like that is it own fairy tail. It's just more intellectual.
@jakemacory6035 that's a straight up lie, you die either way
That Christian apologists have to resort to the criterion of embarrassment is the real embarrassment.
useing mathematics (it's one of the 4 branches of science) there is a good argument with evidence I can use to prove God exist. There are Physicist that have done math to show the likely hood of our universe happening "by chance" and they counted every variable for it. One stated that for life to come from nothing (which violates the biological law that life can only come from other life), nothing being molecules accidently arranged them selves to make the first DNA to mindless form into the first living cell is comparable to a tornado going into a scrap metal yard and building a passenger airplane by chance.
The math showed there is a 10^40,000 in 1 Chance of that happening though natural process.
To put that into perspective, if you could speak 32 Zeros in 6 seconds it would take you 4 hours to say that whole number. And it would take about 38 pieces of paper to write out the full number as well.
I can't believe something that has that small of a number behind it.
It would be illogical for me to believe that the universe "accidentally" was created from a huge unorganized explosion (Big bang theory, nothing created everything) made laws of physics that line up for life to exist in the first place. (Protons neutrons and electrons having the ability to even combine together to make Anything in the universe including life forms, and there's no logic or thought behind something so complect and complicated happended by a mere 10^40'000 in one chance.
So by the creation of the universe it's self, and seeing how wonderful and good it was created, It would be more illogical to Believe nothing caused it. In a way, believing something like that is it own fairy tail. It's just more intellectual.
The fact that they always take jabs at your jingle is one of my favorite things haha. Keep it up Paul
Silly jingle? I find your intro music to be quite uplifting, actually.
Is IP calling the bars to a Sunday school song a silly jingle?
I dont think the intro music was being referred to. I believe he meant things like the "For the Bible Tells Me So" jingle.
@@Amateur0Visionary I suspect you are right, I just needed to work in a comment about how much I like the intro :D
@@heteroclitus me too! Isn't it a great tune?
Your jingles are fun. I appreciate your researched, but fun approach
Creationists: "The bible is the most popular book in the world ever"
This Creationist: "We don't have the same level of skepticism as other ancient works"
YOU DON'T SAY?
The bible is the best selling and least read book in history.
@@TheJimtanker also the most stolen.
@@grrsss8335 I prefer playing the "Hide the Bible Game" when I'm in a hotel like I was over this past weekend. Yes, there is such a thing and there are rules. Jeff Dee used to have a website with the rules on it, not sure if it is still up.
If you think IP is a creationist you have done zero homework. And if you treat every Christian as a "creationist" you're going to have trouble doing meaningful conversation. Also how does Creationism have anything to do with this topic?
@@wumblebumble Easy, Mr. Henrigillis, "People who live in glass houses......"
Before you get all offended, you may wish to consider how you "creationists" have intentionally mislabeled non-believers over the centuries. Not to mention the severe consequences of the intentional slander that continues to this day. Being called creationist might offend your delicate sensibilities, but it won't cost you your goddamn life!
And whether you like it or not your entire religion is being represented by Creationists & Fundies while moderates and liberal Xians sit on their hands whining about how they're being tarred with the same brush. Tough! Then get off your lazy ass and YOU go have a "meaningful conversation" with these knotheads! Maybe you all can come to an understanding on how many angels can dance on a pinhead!
Stay safe Be well
24:45 - Remember when you asked for meaningful quotes from your videos, things that really stood out as powerful/meaningful to your viewers? The quote starting at this moment was one.
"The question I have to ask is, why is your standard of evidence so low?" "If this collection of books is divinely inspired and is worthy of shaping my life, why would anyone need to advocate a lowering of standards in order to accept it."
_Especially_ when such low standards necessarily mean that the *Quran* has to be true as well.
Leading to the obvious contradictions ...
useing mathematics (it's one of the 4 branches of science) there is a good argument with evidence I can use to prove God exist. There are Physicist that have done math to show the likely hood of our universe happening "by chance" and they counted every variable for it. One stated that for life to come from nothing (which violates the biological law that life can only come from other life), nothing being molecules accidently arranged them selves to make the first DNA to mindless form into the first living cell is comparable to a tornado going into a scrap metal yard and building a passenger airplane by chance.
The math showed there is a 10^40,000 in 1 Chance of that happening though natural process.
To put that into perspective, if you could speak 32 Zeros in 6 seconds it would take you 4 hours to say that whole number. And it would take about 38 pieces of paper to write out the full number as well.
I can't believe something that has that small of a number behind it.
It would be illogical for me to believe that the universe "accidentally" was created from a huge unorganized explosion (Big bang theory, nothing created everything) made laws of physics that line up for life to exist in the first place. (Protons neutrons and electrons having the ability to even combine together to make Anything in the universe including life forms, and there's no logic or thought behind something so complect and complicated happended by a mere 10^40'000 in one chance.
So by the creation of the universe it's self, and seeing how wonderful and good it was created, It would be more illogical to Believe nothing caused it. In a way, believing something like that is it own fairy tail. It's just more intellectual.
"hi, I am a guy making vieos to protect crissssschanitee"
so... a mortal has to use technology invented by mortals to defend the cult of an almighty wizard. seems legit
ha
@@Paulogia that's a bit too short for me (a non-native speaker), but I've googled it.
ha: used to express surprise, suspicion, triumph, etc
what exactly do you mean?
daniel letterman That’s funny because Tolkien envisioned that Middle Earth gave way to the modern world as magical races and creatures slowly died out and disappeared
@Ad Lockhorst ?? Exactly. That funny contradiction was my only point. I started the comment by quoting the guy.
Swole Jeezy Just like how Yahweh can walk with you in a garden in the first book but can only be accessed by dreams by the last book.
IP must know that he's lying, or at least selectively editing the truth. His own source included an exception for capital punishment, which he didn't mention.
In another instance, when discussing Noah's Flood, IP asserted that Genesis doesn't state or even imply that the flood was global, even though Genesis 6 and 7 clearly do state/imply this at least four times. IP knows that he's lying.
useing mathematics (it's one of the 4 branches of science) there is a good argument with evidence I can use to prove God exist. There are Physicist that have done math to show the likely hood of our universe happening "by chance" and they counted every variable for it. One stated that for life to come from nothing (which violates the biological law that life can only come from other life), nothing being molecules accidently arranged them selves to make the first DNA to mindless form into the first living cell is comparable to a tornado going into a scrap metal yard and building a passenger airplane by chance.
The math showed there is a 10^40,000 in 1 Chance of that happening though natural process.
To put that into perspective, if you could speak 32 Zeros in 6 seconds it would take you 4 hours to say that whole number. And it would take about 38 pieces of paper to write out the full number as well.
I can't believe something that has that small of a number behind it.
It would be illogical for me to believe that the universe "accidentally" was created from a huge unorganized explosion (Big bang theory, nothing created everything) made laws of physics that line up for life to exist in the first place. (Protons neutrons and electrons having the ability to even combine together to make Anything in the universe including life forms, and there's no logic or thought behind something so complect and complicated happended by a mere 10^40'000 in one chance.
So by the creation of the universe it's self, and seeing how wonderful and good it was created, It would be more illogical to Believe nothing caused it. In a way, believing something like that is it own fairy tail. It's just more intellectual
IP: "We don't have the same level of skepticism employed for other ancient works as we see thrown at the New Testament"
Me: "Could it be because most of the ancient works similar to the Bible are rightfully classified as epic fantasy instead of holy books?"
ikr? Like nobody take the Odyssey as fact. Or the Divine Comedy.
24:54 Thank You! It’s my biggest frustration with people...including a brother who believes there were ancient earth civilizations that went to space based on UA-cam videos. If it’s a favored belief, people tend to not have a high standard of evidence. I get that we all love our confirmations biases and echo chambers, it’s why I’m subscribed to Paulogia, but I personally try to avoid believing in something unless there’s good evidence and the Bible does not hold up unless you believe in it to began with.
useing mathematics (it's one of the 4 branches of science) there is a good argument with evidence I can use to prove God exist. There are Physicist that have done math to show the likely hood of our universe happening "by chance" and they counted every variable for it. One stated that for life to come from nothing (which violates the biological law that life can only come from other life), nothing being molecules accidently arranged them selves to make the first DNA to mindless form into the first living cell is comparable to a tornado going into a scrap metal yard and building a passenger airplane by chance.
The math showed there is a 10^40,000 in 1 Chance of that happening though natural process.
To put that into perspective, if you could speak 32 Zeros in 6 seconds it would take you 4 hours to say that whole number. And it would take about 38 pieces of paper to write out the full number as well.
I can't believe something that has that small of a number behind it.
It would be illogical for me to believe that the universe "accidentally" was created from a huge unorganized explosion (Big bang theory, nothing created everything) made laws of physics that line up for life to exist in the first place. (Protons neutrons and electrons having the ability to even combine together to make Anything in the universe including life forms, and there's no logic or thought behind something so complect and complicated happended by a mere 10^40'000 in one chance.
So by the creation of the universe it's self, and seeing how wonderful and good it was created, It would be more illogical to Believe nothing caused it. In a way, believing something like that is it own fairy tail. It's just more intellectual.
The wicked and the rich are often the same group.
So.... Zeus was real because the Illiad tells me so. Awesome.
You know I dont care if Jesus was given a proper burial. But the part where it says he rose from the dead is what has me concerned. He could have risen from mass crave too
Right. Even if he was burned on a pyre. Given that he's supposed to be omnipotent, that shouldn't have been a problem. It certainly would have been a more impressive trick.
Yeah, but the story would have a different flavor to it, don't you think ?
well it's harder to rise back to life inside a sealed coffin, especially if stone made
@@Revanbzn No problem for an omnipotent sorcerer. BS is Omni-excuse. That's why apologists love it.
Yup. I mean, even zombies can crawl out of graves. So why is that such a big trick for a _god?_ :)
I understood that it is standard historical practice to down grade sources that make supernatural claims, in the same way that one wouldn't entirely trust a map that has "here be dragons" on far off places.
"We assume somebody is speaking the truth and not telling us lies."
I could not imagine surviving in NYC with an assumption like that. I would own both the Mets and Yankees, and 5 Brooklyn bridges after having met Jesus on the Subway 5 times.
That's hilarious. The quote is also a false alternative for a number of reasons:
The opposite of truth is untruth, not lie.
If the person who wrote it believed it, it maybe be true or untrue, but it would not be a lie.
Another alternative to truth would be presenting an allegory without the intent that it be taken literally. For instance, the parables of Jesus establish that that is possible to find stories intended for moral instruction they than as claims to some actual event. This leaves open the question of where to apply this label.
There are likely other possibilities, but I'm just stopping now.
So this argument is basically "I don't critically examine any other information presented to me so why would I critically examine the Bible?"
It's one way historians are useful.
Lay people are quite likely to treat fictions as reality.
There are some interesting grey areas such as whether the Egyptian priest Wenamun was historical or fictional.
useing mathematics (it's one of the 4 branches of science) there is a good argument with evidence I can use to prove God exist. There are Physicist that have done math to show the likely hood of our universe happening "by chance" and they counted every variable for it. One stated that for life to come from nothing (which violates the biological law that life can only come from other life), nothing being molecules accidently arranged them selves to make the first DNA to mindless form into the first living cell is comparable to a tornado going into a scrap metal yard and building a passenger airplane by chance.
The math showed there is a 10^40,000 in 1 Chance of that happening though natural process.
To put that into perspective, if you could speak 32 Zeros in 6 seconds it would take you 4 hours to say that whole number. And it would take about 38 pieces of paper to write out the full number as well.
I can't believe something that has that small of a number behind it.
It would be illogical for me to believe that the universe "accidentally" was created from a huge unorganized explosion (Big bang theory, nothing created everything) made laws of physics that line up for life to exist in the first place. (Protons neutrons and electrons having the ability to even combine together to make Anything in the universe including life forms, and there's no logic or thought behind something so complect and complicated happended by a mere 10^40'000 in one chance.
So by the creation of the universe it's self, and seeing how wonderful and good it was created, It would be more illogical to Believe nothing caused it. In a way, believing something like that is it own fairy tail. It's just more intellectual.
I have an unexpected and random connection to this video. The banjo player in the Joey & Rory clip is a friend of mine.
I don't know any banjo players. my life is incomplete.
Kyle’s a fantastic aux player. Banjo, fiddle, guitar, piano and various other obscure instruments. He also speaks and writes Hebrew and Japanese.
Pharaoh Khufu was buried in a tomb that was found to be empty. Therefore, Pharaoh Khufu was resurrected as the Living Horus and dwells with the Gods and Goddesses as a glorified Akh. Hail Khufu the ever-living! Life, health, and prosperity!
Paul, can you make "For the Bible Tells Me So" available as a ring tone, please.
Your videos are of really good quality, your responses are very well constructed, and your openness to change in light of new evidence is admirable. You're an example to sceptics and critics of religion. A model, I should say. Thanks for all you do.
Wow. Thank you, Jaydon.
inspiringphilosophy makes the laughable claim that we don't have the same skepticism of ancient works as we do have of the New testament.
Works such as
The Odyssey
The epic of Gilgamesh
Story of Atlantis from Plato
The story of Theseus and the Minotaur
The story of Perseus and Medusa.
I... think I see a pattern here!
... and the *Quran.*
Not to mention claims that Caesar was a deity. No historian is taking that claim seriously.
The reality is that the kinds of claims that the Bible makes are basically dismissed out of hand by historians examining any other work. This means that the claims of the Bible are already getting special and favorable treatment. This is only because those claims have made it down to the present while being accepted as true and significant to large numbers of people. By contrast, if Julius Caesar won some battle with greater casualties on his side, or even whether the battle happened at all really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Even so, historians will pick over such claims with a fine-toothed comb to try to better understand what happened. When a claim has so much more riding on it, it is only rational that the details of the claims be given the highest level of scrutiny in an effort to determine their veracity.
@26:00 "Don't blame me, I didn't write it." Okay, that got a chuckle. I still look outside for that Ice Cream Truck every time you play it.
Apparently even the brightest Christian apologists are scratching around for evidence of how the body of Jesus *MIGHT* have been disposed of ! Either way, tomb or mass grave, he apparently floated his way back to heaven, depending on the Gospel story you believe, to sit beside himself on his own right hand side. Maybe the Christian apologists should now concentrate on the empty mass grave ? Well Jesus wasn't there either, so therefore he resurrected ! ( Head meets table. )
Interesting point: how do you sit at the right hand of yourself? 🤔
Yeah, and, apparently, jesus could totally resurrect his own bad self, but couldn't heal the wounds in his hands
useing mathematics (it's one of the 4 branches of science) there is a good argument with evidence I can use to prove God exist. There are Physicist that have done math to show the likely hood of our universe happening "by chance" and they counted every variable for it. One stated that for life to come from nothing (which violates the biological law that life can only come from other life), nothing being molecules accidently arranged them selves to make the first DNA to mindless form into the first living cell is comparable to a tornado going into a scrap metal yard and building a passenger airplane by chance.
The math showed there is a 10^40,000 in 1 Chance of that happening though natural process.
To put that into perspective, if you could speak 32 Zeros in 6 seconds it would take you 4 hours to say that whole number. And it would take about 38 pieces of paper to write out the full number as well.
I can't believe something that has that small of a number behind it.
It would be illogical for me to believe that the universe "accidentally" was created from a huge unorganized explosion (Big bang theory, nothing created everything) made laws of physics that line up for life to exist in the first place. (Protons neutrons and electrons having the ability to even combine together to make Anything in the universe including life forms, and there's no logic or thought behind something so complect and complicated happended by a mere 10^40'000 in one chance.
So by the creation of the universe it's self, and seeing how wonderful and good it was created, It would be more illogical to Believe nothing caused it. In a way, believing something like that is it own fairy tail. It's just more intellectual.
I have to comment on the "criteria of embarrassment." That is a trick that people that lie use to make there lies seem truthful. If you tell a false story that makes you look bad, the listener is more likely to take you at your word.
useing mathematics (it's one of the 4 branches of science) there is a good argument with evidence I can use to prove God exist. There are Physicist that have done math to show the likely hood of our universe happening "by chance" and they counted every variable for it. One stated that for life to come from nothing (which violates the biological law that life can only come from other life), nothing being molecules accidently arranged them selves to make the first DNA to mindless form into the first living cell is comparable to a tornado going into a scrap metal yard and building a passenger airplane by chance.
The math showed there is a 10^40,000 in 1 Chance of that happening though natural process.
To put that into perspective, if you could speak 32 Zeros in 6 seconds it would take you 4 hours to say that whole number. And it would take about 38 pieces of paper to write out the full number as well.
I can't believe something that has that small of a number behind it.
It would be illogical for me to believe that the universe "accidentally" was created from a huge unorganized explosion (Big bang theory, nothing created everything) made laws of physics that line up for life to exist in the first place. (Protons neutrons and electrons having the ability to even combine together to make Anything in the universe including life forms, and there's no logic or thought behind something so complect and complicated happended by a mere 10^40'000 in one chance.
So by the creation of the universe it's self, and seeing how wonderful and good it was created, It would be more illogical to Believe nothing caused it. In a way, believing something like that is it own fairy tail. It's just more intellectual.
All this talk about what the Romans thought and might do reminds me of the short story by Anatole France "The Procurator of Judea".
Two Roman officials are discussing their experiences. One talks about his fascination with a beautiful woman who ran off to follow a preacher called Jesus of Nazareth.
The other man, Pontius Pilate, muses "Jesus, of Nazareth, I don't recall the name."
Things that are important to us may not have been so important at the time.
It's always a pleasure listening to you. Thank you, Paulogia!
I'm thoroughly convinced that the Geek Pantheon is real, because, otherwise, according to my personal worldview, Homer would have been embarrassed to tell his audience that they are real
The criterion of embarrassment is simply ridiculous. Many of the Greek mythological heroes had embarrassing moments, but we still don’t regard them as possibly true because of them. I mean, Oedipus anyone???
I like the silly jingles.
The criterion of embarrassment is widely used in confession; as in a married man admitting to infidelity and pleading "see, my confessing to you proves I am being totally honest".
What would InspiringPhilosophy think about applying the same level of criticism to the Koran?
You mean, the same hyper-credulity?
@@Camerinus I'm not even sure hyper credulity is a strong enough word to describe the irrationality of Inspiringphilosophy's argument.
Your work is the ground work for the death of religion. You do a great job to show no reason to trust in any religion. Good Job maybe in 2-300 years religion will be gone and we will have no more reason for war and killing. History has proven all wars have been supported and or caused by religions of one belief or another. Removing the ridiculous belief in an invisible being that has no control or power somehow controls people. This kind of thinking is dangerous and will always result in war, Suffering and death. So the faster we move completely away from religion the better we all will be.
How extremely coincidental that everything about comfirmation of the crucifiction revolves around pilate
It's amazing that something we're supposed to blindly believe is true relies on so much mind bending and grasping at minutiae to substantiate any of the claims!
22:36 "If somewhere within the bible I were to find a passage that said 2+2=5, I wouldn't question what I'm reading in the bible. I would believe it, accept it as true, and then do my best to work it out and understand it"
I really have a hard time wrapping my head around what this pastor said, but his statement is a very good representation of people who truly believe that every word in the bible is true. I would love to ask this pastor if he would fly on an airplane if the bible did say 2+2=5, and the engineers who designed said airplane also believed that every word in the bible is true, so that 2+2=5 to them. I have never heard a convincing argument from anyone that the bible deserves such respect for being a source of truth. People like him also seem to forget that the bible says many illnesses are caused by demons or unclean spirits. I'm sure he goes to see a medical doctor when he has health concerns or a serious illness.
Sam Huff It’s particularly odd since many Christians believe that numbers actually exist in the universe (in a semi-Platonic sense). If they believed (along with most mathematicians) that math is invented and not discovered, they may be able to justify this claim.
But if numbers are real descriptive parts of the real universe, then how could they possibly believe that 2+2=5 when everything else around them (which they believe numbers accurately can describe) tells them otherwise?
A new Viced Rhino, Rationality Rules, and Paulogia video all in one day? Is it my birthday?
Inspiring Delusion
LOL more like Inspiring Liar.
@@darrylelam256 I've seen a few debates and pretty sure IP is defending and promoting a delusion.
@@smashexentertainment676 Yes, and to promote that delusion he lies his butt off.
@@darrylelam256 I don't think IP is intentionally lying or even believes he's lying, but I haven't seen too much of him, so.. I know a lot of apologists like Todd or Hovind or Turek or Copeland ofc are lying intentionally. They 100% know they are telling lies and hope they will get away with it. And they do.
@@smashexentertainment676 I do think it's intentional. Just look how if ignored the line right after his two 'sources' about the exemption for capital punishment. If he did that much research, why ignore the very next line other then to lie to his viewers?
Does he believe that there was a war between Troy and the kingdoms of Greece because Paris passed judgment on which goddess is the most beautiful?
AHH man, you have to love when the source they give for something refutes it. I had a muslim trying to say seminal fluids come from between the backbone and ribs and liked his source. I had free time figured why not give it a chance, if I am proven wrong then i have learned something. 2nd paragraph 3 sentence " seminal fluids do not come from between the backbone and the ribs" . It still took me 2 more comments to get him to agree that the link he gave said that LOL. I had a few good laughs watching this, good stuff man good stuff, keep it up.
The first thing he says is that he is there to "defend" Christianity. If it was built on strong enough foundations and had sufficient evidence, it wouldn't need to be defended.
Well if we live in a fallen world the truth needs protection so you, re not really making a argument.
So Pilate might well have allowed crucifixion victims to be taken down and buried, but probably only if it was a significant holiday...
Like say, Good Friday?
(kidding! just kidding!)
I'm curious, IP, if the Bible is treated more skeptically than other historical writing, can you point me to those other accepted claims when people rose from the dead and cured illnesses with saliva?
@paulogia an embarrassing story is a very powerful tool used by con artist to gain trust. I think you were on track when you hinted that it’s sets up a bigger lie.
"Don't blame me, I didn't write it." Needs to become the motto of modern Atheism. XD
useing mathematics (it's one of the 4 branches of science) there is a good argument with evidence I can use to prove God exist. There are Physicist that have done math to show the likely hood of our universe happening "by chance" and they counted every variable for it. One stated that for life to come from nothing (which violates the biological law that life can only come from other life), nothing being molecules accidently arranged them selves to make the first DNA to mindless form into the first living cell is comparable to a tornado going into a scrap metal yard and building a passenger airplane by chance.
The math showed there is a 10^40,000 in 1 Chance of that happening though natural process.
To put that into perspective, if you could speak 32 Zeros in 6 seconds it would take you 4 hours to say that whole number. And it would take about 38 pieces of paper to write out the full number as well.
I can't believe something that has that small of a number behind it.
It would be illogical for me to believe that the universe "accidentally" was created from a huge unorganized explosion (Big bang theory, nothing created everything) made laws of physics that line up for life to exist in the first place. (Protons neutrons and electrons having the ability to even combine together to make Anything in the universe including life forms, and there's no logic or thought behind something so complect and complicated happended by a mere 10^40'000 in one chance.
So by the creation of the universe it's self, and seeing how wonderful and good it was created, It would be more illogical to Believe nothing caused it. In a way, believing something like that is it own fairy tail. It's just more intellectual.
Very informative video. Love it!👌
Paul sounded kinda spicy around the “hyper-credulity” bit
More I listen to Christian apologists arguments the more I questioned the Bible.
"lying by withholding" as Carrier avers concerning apologists. Can't stand them.
I think this is the nail in the coffin for Christianity. No tomb equals no resurrection. no resurrection equals no mythology. no mythology equals no Christianity
Lying 101: add embarrassing fact to make it more believable
useing mathematics (it's one of the 4 branches of science) there is a good argument with evidence I can use to prove God exist. There are Physicist that have done math to show the likely hood of our universe happening "by chance" and they counted every variable for it. One stated that for life to come from nothing (which violates the biological law that life can only come from other life), nothing being molecules accidently arranged them selves to make the first DNA to mindless form into the first living cell is comparable to a tornado going into a scrap metal yard and building a passenger airplane by chance.
The math showed there is a 10^40,000 in 1 Chance of that happening though natural process.
To put that into perspective, if you could speak 32 Zeros in 6 seconds it would take you 4 hours to say that whole number. And it would take about 38 pieces of paper to write out the full number as well.
I can't believe something that has that small of a number behind it.
It would be illogical for me to believe that the universe "accidentally" was created from a huge unorganized explosion (Big bang theory, nothing created everything) made laws of physics that line up for life to exist in the first place. (Protons neutrons and electrons having the ability to even combine together to make Anything in the universe including life forms, and there's no logic or thought behind something so complect and complicated happended by a mere 10^40'000 in one chance.
So by the creation of the universe it's self, and seeing how wonderful and good it was created, It would be more illogical to Believe nothing caused it. In a way, believing something like that is it own fairy tail. It's just more intellectual.
"we dont play silly gingles when... " ha ha he sounded so butt hurt there
Plato may not have existed, but I don't think the followers of Plato are trying control my life with his teachings.
His use of the "innocent until proven guilty" metaphor is so misunderstood it's harmful. If he properly understood how the law works then it means you don't trust a claim OR distrust a claim. The assumption of innocence doesn't mean you actually assume they are innocent, it means you ACT with the assumption of innocence so you don't unfairly punish them before a court makes a decision.
Applying the same standard to history means we don't accept that historical claims are true, it means we don't just blindly dismiss them, we see accept that possibility that they could be true, and withhold judgement until after we investigate them. EVERY claim needs investigation.
This feels like a scummy tactic for shifting the burden of proof. As usual, the apologist doesn't like having the burden, so comes up with more word salad to obfuscate and misdirect.
First
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You beat me here
Love your work =)
Insider trading ?
Shannon doesn't count... she and Paul are tight, he probably calls her as he's dropping the video just so she can say FIRST!🤔😹
awww. ❤️
It would seem that a more accurate moniker for Inspiring Philosophy would be Uninspired Sophistry.
Was Jesus divine? Until apologists meet the burden of proof for that claim, it's almost inconsequential whether or not they prove Jesus existed, was crucified, or was buried in the tomb.
Although it's telling they can't even prove the minor details, much less the major.
if God came down in human form to give birth to himself to sacrifice himself to himself to save everyone from himself it's the most important/significant thing ever, and yet he chose to do it in such a way that leaves insufficient evidence of it having happened
'People of Jewusalem, Wome is your fwiend."
But Pilate wasn't.
What about Biggus Dickus?
@@ApocryphalDude that's a joke name sir
@@pauljimerson8218 what's wong with Biggus Dickus? I have a fwend in Wome cawwed Biggus Dickus!
Stwike him
@@azuregriffin1116 He has a wife you know
Imagine the gospels would claim that the disciples went to the tomb to anoint the body of Jesus with spices...
Apologists would claim that this must be true because this was the job of women and slaves and would have been extremely embarrassing for men.😂
One other thing, do we have any ancient Jewish objections to the claim that Jesus was taken off the cross and buried in a tomb? It seems like this would be a major objection of theirs if it didn't happen and would be an easy thing to prove in order to stop the spread of this sect. Now I know they object to the resurrection but I have never read that they object to the fact that he was taken off the cross and buried in a tomb.
There's nothing inspiring nor philosophical in Inspiring Philosophy.
Yes, this video was more historical. The level of inspiring is up to you.
@@Paulogia Wow, been replied to by Paul himself, thanks man.
Fact is, Jesus always qualifies for special pleading in every situation.
Inspiring "philosophy" is such a dishonest hack and ignoramus lol he misrepresents virtually everything he talks about
You have no evidence of that and also here's IP's response inspiringphilosophy.wordpress.com/2020/08/13/yes-jesus-was-buried-in-a-tomb-a-response-to-paulogia/
@@reshearchisgood6966 yes I do actually given that he blatanty lies about philosophy, religion, science, logic etc.
And his "response" is lousy and didnt address anything. Maybe instead of parroting his garbage kiddo, you actually present an argument that's valid. Try again. No scholar agrees with his garbage apologetics
Binging your vids. Learning a lot about how to articulate my skepticism. Keep up the good work!
Does not the historian Jospehus record that Jews were often permitted burials? And do we not have archaeological evidence of the practice of Jews receiving honourable burials vis a vis Yehohannan? Is there a good reason why we should consider Joseph of Arimathea ahistorical? What about Paul who is writing 20 years earlier than Matthew/Mark (whoever you argue wrote first) and records Jesus was buried (1 Corinthians 15:3-4)? I don’t think the burial is myth claim has met its burden of proof.
Anyone who complains about excessive skepticism is trying to sell you something.
The only ones who are embarrassed are present day apologists trying to explain why an anonymous author wrote something that's bat-sh*t crazy.
I wonder do they use the same evidence standards for another religions and any other aspects of life or it is just special pleading. I bet it is the second one
@22:28 Unnecessary acceptance is when you are tired of the debate and agree to disagree without vocalising that intent
Paul, maybe Mike Licona will appreciate " for the bible tells me so" if you use a clip of a gospel singer? Would it still qualify as a silly little jingle? It demonstrably IS....
The Gospel of Matthew was written specifically to defuse the stolen body argument.
@paulogia How come one of your eyes is hexagonal, and the other pentagonal?
Paul,
I enjoy the way you model open-ended questioning; evaluating evidence for the level of confidence it lends--based on corroboration from other sources; and the graceful, ego-less adjustment that scholars can make when new, credible evidence appears. You show viewers that when one has valid evidence that leads to a sensible conclusion, "faith" claims and other references to particular religious doctrines/traditions, hyperbolic language, and impassioned emotional appeals are unnecessary. It's the difference between a dentist showing the patient an x-ray of tooth decay, and a young child's hysterical cries over the monster under the bed--except most children stop claiming underbed monsters exist, as they repeatedly test their claim without finding supporting evidence for maintaining it. Be well.
Thank you!
I wonder what is defined by PROPER burial ?
@22:50~
on unneccesary scepticism.
Being Sceptical is the most honest position, however there are an healthy and an unhealthy kind of Scepticism to be awares of.
The healthy kind is an unwillingness to be easily persuaded to some position. An insistence on proof, good argumentation, examples where possible, is simply quite sensible.
This is what skepticism is all about, but there is no evidence to suggest that this is a natural inclination among humans. Humans are for the most part followers, not thinkers. But this can be unlearned. "The trouble enters in with our own lack of knowledge regarding good or bad argumentation. This ignorance makes is more susceptible to propaganda!" Being a good skeptic should be about trying to see through propaganda. "An unhealthy skepticism is seen in the person who is unwilling to be persuaded of ANYTHING, EVER!!!
This a priori position is indeed unhealthy, even inhuman! Often shown in an unwillingness to follow even common sense!" We shouldn't allow ourselves to be persuaded to the degree that we think we can't be wrong. And if the last century showed us anything, it's that we shouldn't use common sense as an arbiter of right and wrong. Both scientifically and politically.
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"Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and it would be shamefull to surrender it too soon or to the first comer: there is nobility in preserving it coolly and proudly through long youth, until at last, in the ripeness of instinct and discretion, it can be safely exchanged for fidelity and happiness."
-George Santayana
You could argue criteria of “embarrassment” is also used in the OT in the account of King David. It’s pretty much assumes 2 Samuel is more historical than Chronicles because it doesn’t white wash David’s affair/murder like Chronicles omits. It’s uniquely lacking in overt royal propaganda that was common in the Iron Age.
The Biblical treatment of David, both legendary hero and thoroughly obnoxious person is a little reminiscent of the inconsistent treatment of Xerxes by Herodotus.
I'm wondering why everybody is debating about someone who never even existed.
How could Hay Zeus have been buried when after the third day of being in the cave
tomb he supposedly resurrects and boogies to heaven only to be seen here or there
just to show up in the physical riding on a donkey.
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Also that lady singing and the church was lovely.