Scholarly Historically Confident Jesus Rose from the Dead (Dr Michael L Brown response)
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- Опубліковано 13 лис 2022
- @LFTV gives a brief summary of the historical evidence for the death and resurrection of Jesus, explaining why even skeptical scholars are convinced that He lived and was crucified and that His followers believed that He rose from the dead.
Historical Evidence for the Death and Resurrection of Jesus
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My wife got mad because I didn’t get eggs at the store. After the fact, I wrote a list of the items that I thought she had wanted me to get- eggs were not included in this list. I then made 50 copies of my post-shopping shopping list. When I presented the evidence that she had not asked for eggs, as they were not on any of my lists, she had to concede, faced with such overwhelming evidence. Her concession did not, however, include an apology; she just said, “Uh, okay…..whatever.”
I take this as a victory for me.
But your wife might decide whether you live or not live following some medical event, you better just give it to her. Not worth the risks.
You won't have won .. you might think so, but you'll realise you haven't at some point ... 😅
You can just go and buy some eggs. Whats the problem? Or even better, she can go. I have like 3 stores that sell eggs in walking distance of my house, one is even in the same block.
Its a weird analogy XD
You can afford to buy eggs?
@@elingeniero9117 si señor ingeniero, no todos viven en latinoamerica XD (saludos desde Argentina)
The most frustrating thing about this for me is how apologists keep using these same arguments over and over despite being corrected repeatedly. Then they go and tell ignorant audiences ( I mean this in the literal sense not as an insult) that won't fact check these supposed facts thereby spreading misleading information. It drives me nuts because I grew up with a mother who lied to me about my father's character. It wasn't until I was a young adult that I decided to move in with my father and find out who he was for myself. Turned out my mother was wrong about my dad and had been lying to me for over 20 years. After that I made sure that I listened to both sides when watching a debate or argument and gained a healthy skepticism. After listening to both the Christian and Atheist viewpoints on the historical data for Christianity I found that I would have to have more faith not less to keep believing in Jesus. Shortly thereafter I became an Agnostic. Thank you for being an opposing voice Paulogia. It really does help bring people out of false belief.
Yes. No matter the overwhelming evidence, no matter how the logic and reasoning becomes crystal clear. Some people cling to the tribal and cultist desire to be part of the hive.
I’ve been there and I understand the temporary comfort blind faith provides. But it’s downright dishonest and encourages hypocrisy and corruption.
I Believe in the God of the Bible... I am a Chrstian because I believe in One God. I am not an atheist because be a Godless and Souless person thinking that I would Be Nothing once death and you have subjective morals we that means anyone has his conception of right and wrong, is so stupid. I am not a gnostic Because I do not believe if there is a God, I do not know his name and what he wanted from me and give me morals guidence. I am not Budist because I believe in God... I am not a Muslims because I do not believe in a God, Allah, that a pagan idol worshippeed as one of the pagan idols in Mekka, they were 360 and suddenly in 610 he remembered he is the only true God... I am not an Hindus, because I do not believe in thausands Gods some looking like demons 👹... I do not believe in Ahura Mazda because I do not worship in the fire... what about you know? In which category you fit? 😊
- The Gospel of Jesus was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own. The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives. Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story. It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th.
@@techtutorvideos Yes. My mom was bad mouthing my dad and when I decided to find out who he was for myself I found that she was completely wrong.
@@Mar-dk3mp What idol is worshipped by Muslims? For the record, Muslims have no images of even people, let alone any god in their mosques. Also, Allah is their name for Jehova of the Old Testament.
Every time your "For the Bible tells me so" jingle comes on, I feel like an ice cream.
Ice cream, you scream, we all scream!
I keep looking out the window for the ice cream truck, but nope.
that's just the pavlov translation of the bible at work.
Damn... Now i am hungry ..
That must feel pretty cool! 😋
In a documentary on teenage and underage pregnancy, a doctor said
" If a virgin birth is the sign of the second coming , I've delivered 6 messiahs this year already!"
🙈🙉🙊
Please tell me the name of this documentary
@@marcusniaz3110
It was on TV in the UK back in the late 1980's, not much chance of finding it on the internet.
For context, the doctor was describing the results of juvenile "playing".
Like 'horseshoes & hand grenades' , a near miss still counts !
@@Urban_Spaceman The Gospel of Jesus was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own. The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives. Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story. It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th.
@@termination9353
YEAH, thats an awesome conspiracy story !
I love the part about it being authored by a zombie. It hits all the dramatic grippers. 👍
When a witness in a court trial has been caught in one lie, jurors should discard the rest of that witness’s testimony. Brown has been caught offering misleading statements multiple times in that video.
The jury _can_ disregard the entirety of the witness's testimony---there is even a jury instruction to that effect---but whether they should depends on the circumstances,
No kidding, I believe that every positive statement he made was not "entirely" true. I have looked into a variety of those topic in the past, I had a classmate that was a YEC. He said many of those things to me, every time I looked into any claim it was always twisted in the same way that conspiracy theories go.
So basically telling even one lie should make a person unbelievable forever 🤔
well the reason you have more than one juror is to average out circumstances like that, whereas on the face of it "one lie" might poison your well, but as henry fonda kept saying in twelve angry men, "anything is possible, i'm just saying it's possible"
Why You western godless and Souless always talk about God and Jesus, you are Godless and Souless people who thinks will be nothing once death, continue o be a Godless and Souless western person, right? 😊.
He gave all of the key points that I taught as a Christian. It was what most of us were spoon fed as "evidence"
Yup yup
I grew up hearing all this, too, but it never made any sense to me.
lucky for me even as a child i was thinking "why didn't god put a fence around the tree?"
When I was a Christian and heard these points in adult Sunday school I began to realize how overly confident the instructors were about dubious "facts", and how reluctant they were to address or clarify my concerns about the veracity of their claims. I think it was the instructors' unfounded certainty that rubbed me the wrong way far more than it was the weak arguments. At 18yrs old I had developed a distrust of almost everything they said.
Then when I went to college and studied the Bible the professors were very candid about the uncertainty, and that scholastic view eventually led to my total disbelief. So in the end, neither biased misrepresentations nor scholastic honesty came anywhere close to supporting the truth of the New Testament. The inevitable conclusion for me was that people believed the Bible simply because they wanted to, which led to an interest in the psychology of religion, the history of religion, and comparative religion. Each one of these presented more reasons not to believe, until I had no choice but to be an atheist.
For me,it was Josh McDowell who had me convinced of the "truth "of the Bible-back in the 70's.The apologists today are still making the same points Josh did,maybe with a little updated spin.
What kills me is when people claim the gospel writers were the disciples... then wheel around and say all the disciples were persecuted unto death for their beliefs. It sure was nice of their oppressors to wait decades for Matthew, Mark, and Luke to write these works before persecuting them unto death. That, or the points contradict one another.
Or the people who believe that Moses wrote the first five books of the old testament, even though they were written during the Babylonian captivity and Genesis describes the death, funeral and burial of Moses without skipping a beat.
The "manuscript evidence" apologetic is always used in such a misleading way. EVERY apologist I have ever heard bring it up seems to imply that we have thousands of copies of whole NT books from the late first and early second century. They almost never say it explicitly, but the impression they leave is definitely meant to leave their audience with that belief.
This is why apologist is a synonym for liar. Even if they don't make explicit false statements, they deliberately mislead and misrepresent. Lies of omission are still lies.
Why You western godless and Souless always talk about God and Jesus, you are Godless and Souless people who thinks will be nothing once death, continue o be a Godless and Souless western person, right? 😊..
I feel like some of them even imply that those books are complete and in English....
It's lying by omission and it's academic fraud. It's why I'm always extremely skeptical of so-called biblical scholarship. It's an extremely sketchy "academic" field with few honest brokers.
The manuscripts can easily explained for the fact that the majority of them come from the 4th century during the reign of Constantine.
Paul you should call in to his daily show where he welcomes callers who disagree with him. There you could bring up all your points and expose his lies directly to his audience.
They can never prove Jesus rising from the dead, you cannot empirically or logically prove such a supernatural event.
Whether or not someone would "die for a lie", we have all seen plenty of people willing to lie for a lie.
That's really good, thanks I'm definitely going to use that...
Yes. Dr. Brown is probably not willing to die for his lie, but he sure is willing to lie, or at least to deliberately mislead the credulous people who are most of his audience, for that lie.
I don't think its possible to absolutely rule out that someone would die for a lie, especially if your argument is "it just doesn't seem reasonable."
In fact I'm confident that, or someone more clever than me, could postulate a convincing story of how someone felt pushed into a lie for which the consequences of revealing it were so grave that he'd die.
What if you knew that revealing your lie would result in the deaths of your children? People are classically willing to die to save their own kids.
If this could be true, there could be other justifications.
Thus, the whole "people wouldn't be willing to die for a lie" gambit is just another baseless apologetic device.
Paul, this was one of your most dynamic and vicious (well, Canadian vicious) responses and it was both informative and entertaining. Loved it!
appreciate, Jayna
Entertaining is about all you get with Paulogia.
I Believe in the God of the Bible... I am a Chrstian because I believe in One God. I am not an atheist because be a Godless and Souless person thinking that I would Be Nothing once death is so stupid. I am not a gnostic Because I do not believe if there is a God, I do not know his name and what he wanted from me and give me morals guidence. I am not Budist because I believe in God... I am not a Muslims because I do not believe in a God, Allah, that a pagan idol worshippeed as one of the pagan idols in Mekka, they were 360 and suddenly in 610 he remembered he is the only true God... I am not an Hindus, because I do not believe in thausands Gods some looking like demons 👹... I do not believe in Ahura Mazda because I do not worship in the fire... what about you know? In which category you fit? 😊.
@@jamiehudson3661 I Believe in the God of the Bible... I am a Chrstian because I believe in One God. I am not an atheist because be a Godless and Souless person thinking that I would Be Nothing once death is so stupid. I am not a gnostic Because I do not believe if there is a God, I do not know his name and what he wanted from me and give me morals guidence. I am not Budist because I believe in God... I am not a Muslims because I do not believe in a God, Allah, that a pagan idol worshippeed as one of the pagan idols in Mekka, they were 360 and suddenly in 610 he remembered he is the only true God... I am not an Hindus, because I do not believe in thausands Gods some looking like demons 👹... I do not believe in Ahura Mazda because I do not worship in the fire... what about you know? In which category you fit? 😊.
@@Paulogia I Believe in the God of the Bible... I am a Chrstian because I believe in One God. I am not an atheist because be a Godless and Souless person thinking that I would Be Nothing once death is so stupid. I am not a gnostic Because I do not believe if there is a God, I do not know his name and what he wanted from me and give me morals guidence. I am not Budist because I believe in God... I am not a Muslims because I do not believe in a God, Allah, that a pagan idol worshippeed as one of the pagan idols in Mekka, they were 360 and suddenly in 610 he remembered he is the only true God... I am not an Hindus, because I do not believe in thausands Gods some looking like demons 👹... I do not believe in Ahura Mazda because I do not worship in the fire... what about you know? In which category you fit? 😊.
I'm beginning to think all I have to do to find the truth, is just decide the truth is whatever I want to believe.
Nothing better on a Monday morning than a Paul stream
A monday afternoon is also a great time!
a paul stream, a beer and a massage?
Why You western godless and Souless always talk about God and Jesus, you are Godless and Souless people who thinks will be nothing once death, continue o be a Godless and Souless western person, right? 😊.
@@snooganslestat2030 Why You western godless and Souless always talk about God and Jesus, you are Godless and Souless people who thinks will be nothing once death, continue o be a Godless and Souless western person, right? 😊..
I guess when you do not have God you take other godless and Souless people as God... Poor godless and Souless people
"When you read the ancient accounts of the great heroes of old. the mythological accounts, they don't have the blemishes and the faults..."
Well, except for legendary figures like Gilgamesh, Achilles, Hector, Heracles, Ajax, Theseus, King Arthur. :
Lancelot; historical figures like Alexander or Julius Caesar.... Some of the disciples of Confucius who were faithful followers were written down as dull and misunderstanding the words of the Teacher, just like the disciples of Jesus.
Why You western godless and Souless always talk about God and Jesus, you are Godless and Souless people who thinks will be nothing once death, continue o be a Godless and Souless western person, right? 😊..
Became an atheist back in July
Been one since 2017.
@@grapeshot I wish I was one for that long. I feel like I wasted my time as a Christian.
@@VierthalerStudios Think of it as time learning & experiencing things that give you full information for now being an atheist.
If you feel inclined it will also help you explain to others why they ought not to believe.
Congratulations!
@@VierthalerStudios The thing is, is it worse to look back and think that you've wasted that time, or to go through wasted time, _knowing_ at the time that it's wasted, and to be seriously offended by the immoral, illogical, hypocritical bullshit being spouted?
My mum was a christian, so I got dragged to church on Sundays (until I was old enough to be left alone, still had to put up with shite in school, though) and the bible was anathema to me, right from the start.
I wasn't raised to be Christian, and the theology didn't impress as an adult, so I'm continually amazed and amused by the Christian mindset. Speaking as an outsider: it's a strange thing to behold!
Childhood indoctrination is a mind warping force not to be underestimated.
After that comes the delusional states brought on by sickness , trauma, and/or desperation .
The uplifting fantasies of religious promises are quite alluring for people when they're down and out.
Born into a reformist family going back supporting Calvin and decimated during the religious wars...am an atheist since I can remember. Love the late medieval and Renaissance art. Much of which has to be reasessed as an atheist commentary of the top clergy and the artists on the crazies scizophrenia religiosa.
@@rmwctldnh3178
Oh geeze, that's the most hilarious advertising I've heard yet.
" You are free to remain clueless"
🤣😅
More hilarious advertising.
And from someone
who is clueless to
what advertising is ??
Wow, fancy that.
@@rmwctldnh3178
My guess is that assumptions are part and parcel of your life.
And my biggest time waste on YT is interacting with clueless religious fundamentalists, but hey so it goes.
Happy Monday everyone!
When I was a Christian, one of the things that bothered me was that the disciples were always wrong. That and the crowd proclaiming things in one voice.
@LuthAMF Wrong regarding EVERYTHING. Everything they said was wrong until after the 'Resurrection'. Then they suddenly became smart. Right.
@LuthAMF And your point is ... what? The disciples say something wrong (usually Peter, the rest don't say much except in chorus) that still means they were always wrong! If Jesus corrects them... they were still WRONG! Always WRONG! Because the men who made this all up couldn't have a situation where Jesus would be wrong. (even when he curses a fig tree for not bearing figs... even though it wasn't in season. Twice, according to the gospel of John)
Put the book down before you hurt someone with it. It's already caused enough misery as it is.
His first claim is laughable considering at least the entire museums full of contemporaneous daily records and artifacts from Ancient Egypt.
Apologetics like to downplay the actual Egyptian historical record because it records so many mundane day-to-days, like Twitter, but never has any writings confirming huge things like the Exodus or Moses.
@@Rosyna its understandable, though. It's pretty hard to claim to be the beginning of all mankind when the culture that predates you doesn't play along.
Brilliant content as ever. 💚
*On the Criterion of Embarrassment*
In the story of the founding of Rome, Romulus killed his brother Remus in order for him to become king, there are different versions of this story, however; in all versions, Romulus killed his brother. So, using the *Criterion of Embarrassment,* we can conclude that the story of Romulus and Remus, sons of a God, and raised by a female wolf is all true because *why would the Romans invent such an embarrassing story about the founders of their city and people?* _Isn't this Correct?_ 🤔🤔😏
Reductio ad absurdum 😌
I like your style
@@drsatan9617
How dare you, sir, that's a true story, and do you know why is a true story? Because I left out the part about Romulus also being a massive rapist, _look it up,_ a true story
😏😏
What about the fact that Osiris, the Egyptian god who was resurrected after being cut into pieces, doesn't have a certain male organ because they couldn't find it when they were gathering the pieces?
@@NovaSaber
_This is not a competition!!_
Prometheus was chained to a mountain so his stomach would be devoured by a Giant Eagle each day for all time. Prometheus Wins! 😅😅
According to norse/german mythology, humans were created by the cow Audhumbla digging us out of the dirt with her tongue. That's so embarassing, it must be true.
Michael told me on Twitter that his wife was a once “devout” atheist. Once I asked him a few questions he blocked me.
😂
WTF is a "devout" atheist? Is that like a "devout" non-believer in pixies?
The only distinction i know for Atheirs is strong (believe that God does not exist) and soft(does not believe in God).
I am an Skeptic first, and because of that, i am an Atheist (soft)
@@cnault3244 when I respectfully explained to him that he hadn’t a clue about atheism he blocked me. I think he chose to believe in Christianity for bad reasons (a changed life after a period of drugs and alcohol).
@@Gaston-Melchiori I’d call that an agnostic atheist. You lack belief but you don’t claim to know that no gods exist. I’m the same. I’d put myself very high on the Dawkins scale.
@@myopenmind527 I'm of the mindset that agnostic is just atheist with extra steps
Agnostics believe nothing can be known about gods, including whether or not they exist. Hence all agnostics lack a belief in the existence of gods and are atheist by definition
It's an utterly worthless designation
In the description you should have mentioned that ML Brown is not a scholar on the topic at all. Dr. Brown has a PhD in Near Eastern Languages and Literature. This means that he knows as much about the History of Antiquity as me, a teacher math and physics. Among actual scholars the consensus is that the Resurrection is a matter of faith.
You could probably prove it mathematically, but I am afraid you would be getting into imaginary numbers.
😄
Wikipedia doesn’t refer to him as a scholar.
“Michael L. Brown (born March 16, 1955) is an American radio host, author, apologist, and proponent of Messianic Judaism, Christian Zionism,[1]”
@@InigoMontoya- Why You western godless and Souless always talk about God and Jesus, you are Godless and Souless people who thinks will be nothing once death, continue o be a Godless and Souless western person, right? 😊.
@@marknieuweboer8099 Why You western godless and Souless always talk about God and Jesus, you are Godless and Souless people who thinks will be nothing once death, continue o be a Godless and Souless western person, right? 😊.
"a lot of Bible scholars believe this claim from the Bible to be true"
is tantamount to saying:
"a lot of Christians believe Christian dogma"
It is of no consequence, it is of no value, it is 100% meaningless to point out.
Not all bible scholars are Christian.
And most Biblical scholars who do believe it are well aware that the historicity of the Resurrection is a matter of faith.
@@michaelsommers2356 Given that until 2001 it was not unusual for those who held doubts about their religion to internalize them, and atheists were, well, quiet. After 9-11, it came to be more comfortable for people to openly castigate religious thinking and use the A word to describe themselves. It remains a fact that everyone raised in Western culture for over 1000 years has been immersed in a world where the religious outnumber the nons by an order of magnitude. Less so now, but that as I said is a very recent development.
In the meantime, the vast majority of "biblical scholars" are housed in institutions that require a statement of faith to be on the faculty and with respect to those that are not, they themselves were taught by generations of believers. The "fact" that Jesus was born, crucified, and resurrected pervades the very environment that literally all of the current scholars were educated in and most are feeding it back to their students. (Hi, Bart.)
The late Iowa State University professor, Hector Avalos nailed this matter on the head in "The End of Biblical Studies". I highly recommend it.
@@lreadlResurrected Why You western godless and Souless always talk about God and Jesus, you are Godless and Souless people who thinks will be nothing once death, continue o be a Godless and Souless western person, right? 😊. You do not even know where your morals come from and standard morals... What a wonderful not community 🤣🤣🤣 I guess money, an Ealthy and materialistic society produce that... 🥴
@@Mar-dk3mp If I understand you correctly, yes, you are correct. I do not believe in the existence of either God or souls.
Now don't get me wrong, I have no problem referring to people colloquially as "souls" as in 'not a soul was around' or 'that young man has an old soul'. That is simply a common way of describing someone's character. But there is no ghost in the machine; no homunculus in the inner workings of the brain. No soul insofar as one defines a soul as an inchoate occupant of the brain and its emergent property of mind.
There is simply no evidence otherwise.
Everyone dies? Nah, I’m planning on living forever. So far, so good…
You are not... According to you you will be Nothing once death 🤣🤣🤣
@@Mar-dk3mp That was a joke, son. Yes, I believe the most likely case is ashes to ashes, dust to dust.
@@CaseAgainstFaith1 i am searching the comments for that Mar guy and responding to his bigotry, he deleats them instanlty so its hard to do XD
@@Gaston-Melchiori Sounds like he needs to get a life…
@@Gaston-Melchiori UA-cam should instate an algoritm for a max. number of deleted or edited response posts or posts that have been responded to already per month per account.
Quality debunk. Great work.
Just as with most apologists, it's weird to me how all the "historical" and "scholarly" evidence that Dr. Brown purports to be so overwhelmingly convincing seems to have had no bearing on his own personal conversion to Christianity. As his own website states, "Dr. Michael L. Brown became a believer in Jesus 1971 as a sixteen-year-old, heroin-shooting, LSD-using Jewish rock drummer."
Jewish rock drumming is notorious for messing up the teenagers.
I’m 4 minutes in, and already Paul’s calm rational logic wins major points. It’s amazing that so many people refuse to recognize the truth.
Does religion provide so much peace and comfort that people prefer conscious self-delusion? I’m really very curious? No joke.
Good question, Ed, and I sometimes wonder if there is a thus far unidentified ' Gullibility gene ', rendering those affected incapable of rational, logical thought.
@@Johnclewes I Believe in the God of the Bible... I am a Chrstian because I believe in One God. I am not an atheist because be a Godless and Souless person thinking that I would Be Nothing once death is so stupid. I am not a gnostic Because I do not believe if there is a God, I do not know his name and what he wanted from me and give me morals guidence. I am not Budist because I believe in God... I am not a Muslims because I do not believe in a God, Allah, that a pagan idol worshippeed as one of the pagan idols in Mekka, they were 360 and suddenly in 610 he remembered he is the only true God... I am not an Hindus, because I do not believe in thausands Gods some looking like demons 👹... I do not believe in Ahura Mazda because I do not worship in the fire... what about you know? In which category you fit? 😊
I personally believe a lot of the bigger talkers in Christian circles (those that make a boatload of cash off of it), do not actually believe in god. And their followers are not really that invested in god and god belief (considering most of them will barely challenge any claims made by book or preacher.) But more invested in the "Get together" of it all. The community aspect. God is just something to rally around, even though you have not considered the truth of any claims made in regards to his existence.
@@Uhdksurvhunter well said. That hit home with my own experience.
OK, Short answer, Yes it does
a bit of a longer answer
I was an ordained minister for approx 15 years, I left the church because i didn't want to lie to people when they asked me "How do we know if god exists" and this now ties into your point..
I didn't want to lie to them because when you look at them and they are talking to you they are sincere and genuine, they are looking for something , for hope, for answers so you would be a piece of shit of a person to lie to the and give the "My son we know he exists because of the multiple miracles he has performed and by the love that he shows us" etc etc speech
it's not right to do that
Now. you need to consider that i've heard hundreds possibly thousands of confessions, Horrific things which i will not mention here, Let's just say that something really bad happens to a person and as a result , psychologically you are so messed up that your mind cannot make sense of it
well... you have 2 choices in this situation 1. Have a psychotic episode (Feel free to look up what that actually means in detail and what is happening during that episode) Essentially IT'S A DISCONNECT FROM REALITY
or you can hold onto a COPING MECHANISM which allows you to stay connected (Somewhat) to reality
so when such horrific things happen these people are IN NEED of understanding, In need of something more than someone just saying "it's gonna be ok" because they will counter that with "You just don't understand" and once that is issue, you can't come back with anything
EXCEPT...... if the come back is ... A Supreme being that man cannot fathom that has infinite love for us and that understands our deepest soul and feelings.
that's your trump card
Now... the christian doesn't question this... Because subconciously they understand that this is their way out of the pain, why would they question it ?
so that's how you get your FAITH thingy happening
Yes.. it brings them peace and comfort, it removes the pain or at least masks it
but you see... Masking is one thing, but once THEY START TO FULLY BELIEVE (meaning... they integrate this idea into their internal system of belief as a fact) it's then at a point where TO THEM it is a fact and they are going to hold onto it because fundamentally your brain has a compulsion to move away from pain and towards pleasure
Why, After being given salvation would someone go back to extreme pain ? They wouldn't , so there's your answer
Yes, it's a lie, but they believe the lie because it gives them pleasure and happiness
NOW.. IF WE DEBATE THIS... SOMETIMES IT'S BETTER TO LET THEM BELIEVE
Believe me, I have seen people that genuinely are better off believing they will have eternal life vs them having a horrific existence while here in this life
sometimes the lie is better for some people , it's sad but it's a fact.
Everyone deserves happiness and to live a nice life, if that means you believe in a god that doesn't exist and moving forward you have a normal life and raise a family and are overall a happy person...... Then that's what you should do
Also there are some people that you should not attempt to prove to them that god doesn't exist and that the bible is a lie, Older people, because the longer these ideas are in your system of belief the more tragic and destructive it is if you try to remove them from the person,
CONSIDER THIS..... Say you meet a 60 year old man, he's been a believer since the age of 10 and then you figure you want to help him see the truth that the bible is a lie and god is not real and that he's following nothing
AND SAY YOU CONVINCE HIM to the point where he has no choice but to accept what you are saying
you have now effectively crushed his entire life, everything that he holds dear is gone, he doesn't have much time left in this life because at 60 you effectively only have 10 useful years left, after that you are waiting to die and just doing whatever but are plagued with illness dementia, arthritis etc
so does justifying the truth to him justify you tearing up his entire life and everything that he holds dear and does it justify you creating an inbearable existence for him for the remainder of his years ? NO IT DOESN'T
sometimes you leave it be, it's like in that movie THE INVENTION OF LYING,
He told the lie to his mum so that her last memory would be happy and that she wouldn't be scared
NOW CONSIDER THIS...
Her last memory is happy, now if she just dies then there is nothing and it doesn't matter, if there is an afterlife she'll find out about it anyway
if there is to be pain there will be pain anyway regardless of the lie she was told to give her pleasure
if there is pleasure and you told her a lie to give her pleasure then she'll have pleasure but let's say the lie we told did not reflect what actually happens
well again.... she'd find out anyway
so really.... it doesn't matter
ONE THING DOES MATTER THOUGH
fundamentally WE SHOULD ALL STRIVE TO BE GOOD PEOPLE AND HELP EACH OTHER WHEN WE CAN
Because if god doesn't exist, You were still a good person and that counts
if he does exist and there is a judgement .. You have done your best as a person and you will have the best chance of getting to heaven when you are judged
Lastly.... they say if you are bad you go to hell, if you are good, then heaven and you will have ETERNAL LIFE
I look at it like this..
If you are bad You will be punished (if that's hell, ok) i reckon the punishment should be proportional to the bad deeds but ok, let's just roll with ... hell is punishment
so.. HEAVEN IS A REWARD
Ok if i was good and god deems me rewarded SHOULD I HAVE THE CHOICE OFWHAT I WANT TO DO
shouldn't god say , Ok Martin You're in you've done well you're a legend now AS A REWARD here are your choices
1. Eternal life in heaven and nothing but pleasure
2. Or... would you prefer to just rest in peace for all time
shouldn't that be my choice
Me personally, if i had the choice i would choose to just rest in peace, i would see an eternity of life as an equal punishment or torture to eternity in hell
i also don't see the point of hell
they say it's pain, an eternal fire that you burn in
OK
1. If you burn and die then its' not eternal you are dead
2. You can't feel pain because you have no nervous system anymore
3. If they want to argue, it's spiritual pain,
OK, then fire is pointless , but lets say its' a fire that burns the spirit, again... if it kills you it's not eternal
4. but any torture that is ongoing especially eternally is something you are going to adapt to and get used to
so after a while it wouldn't be that bad, we all adapt to the environment we are given
I hope that gives you more insight
but yes religion is pleasure for them
The right god is always the one they just happen to believe in. 🙄
Religion, the names may change but the game is always the same... providing validation for their control.
Apologists claiming that biblical authors would be unwilling to be embarrassed for their faith, but they would be willing to die for it.
I'm getting mixed messages here.
They wouldn't invent a virgin birth? From what I've heard, that's exactly what they did. The original Hebrew text didn't say virgin birth.
There is no evidence whatsoever of a virgin birth in human history except for mythologies and religions.
Why You western godless and Souless always talk about God and Jesus, you are Godless and Souless people who thinks will be nothing once death, continue o be a Godless and Souless western person, right? 😊. You do not even know where your morals come from and standard morals... What a wonderful not community 🤣🤣🤣 I guess money, an Ealthy and materialistic society produce that... 🥴
As a former Mormon I get so sick of the argument that the its unlikely that the Christianity would stuck around if it wasn't true.
I mean yes in some sense its true most new reglious movement don't survive the death of thier founder ..
But some do Mormonism, Ba Hai, Scientology all have . and all three are pretty successful relative to their ages ..all have been around less than 200 years
I’m not a former Mormon but was raised in a community with many Mormons and most of my school friends were Mormon. I think it would be very difficult to leave “The Church”.
@@cipherklosenuf9242 for many it is .. not as hard as JW where shunning is dotricne.. but ya
It took me a while to realize that the term "manuscript" is used equivocally. In modern terms, a manuscript is a document submitted to an editor, i.e. it's the creative output of an author. In historic terms, a manuscript is simply a document written by hand, as all documents were, even copies. To claim that there are "hundreds of manuscripts" is therefore misleading. In modern terms, there might be hundreds of hand-copied documents, but not a single manuscript, nor even a first edition.
I love so much your jingle "For the Bible tells me so" that every time I hear a Christian using the Bible as evidence, I hear your jingle.
Anyway, thank you for your work 🖖
I Believe in the God of the Bible... I am a Chrstian because I believe in One God. I am not an atheist because be a Godless and Souless person thinking that I would Be Nothing once death and you have subjective morals we that means anyone has his conception of right and wrong, is so stupid. I am not a gnostic Because I do not believe if there is a God, I do not know his name and what he wanted from me and give me morals guidence. I am not Budist because I believe in God... I am not a Muslims because I do not believe in a God, Allah, that a pagan idol worshippeed as one of the pagan idols in Mekka, they were 360 and suddenly in 610 he remembered he is the only true God... I am not an Hindus, because I do not believe in thausands Gods some looking like demons 👹... I do not believe in Ahura Mazda because I do not worship in the fire... what about you know? In which category you fit? 😊
I Believe in the God of the Bible... I am a Chrstian because I believe in One God. I am not an atheist because be a Godless and Souless person thinking that I would Be Nothing once death and you have subjective morals we that means anyone has his conception of right and wrong, is so stupid. I am not a gnostic Because I do not believe if there is a God, I do not know his name and what he wanted from me and give me morals guidence. I am not Budist because I believe in God... I am not a Muslims because I do not believe in a God, Allah, that a pagan idol worshippeed as one of the pagan idols in Mekka, they were 360 and suddenly in 610 he remembered he is the only true God... I am not an Hindus, because I do not believe in thausands Gods some looking like demons 👹... I do not believe in Ahura Mazda because I do not worship in the fire... what about you know? In which category you fit? 😊...
@@Mar-dk3mp I’m not sure I understand your comment. I am an atheist agnostic : I don’t know if a god exist but I see no reason to believe that there is one.
@@kevinbarbe799 ye ou do not. I am pretty sure 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Mar-dk3mp ??? 🤔
Paul, another blistering analysis and evisceration of Dr. Brown's claims. Bravo!
(I know you covered this before, while you point out that the gospel writers were not eyewitnesses, you neglected to mention they are also anonymous. The appellations were after-the-fact.)
The good Doc Brown made a wise preservation move by denying your invitation for discussion, apparently he’s not completely specious.
Why You western godless and Souless always talk about God and Jesus, you are Godless and Souless people who thinks will be nothing once death, continue o be a Godless and Souless western person, right? 😊.
How do you make the prophecies fit? Easy: make up a character and pretend he did.
I just picked all the winners for yesterday’s football games; I got them all correct!
Theres other options like:
1. People can take action so the known prophecies will come true.
2. It's a prophecy because someone looking found a statement, they can claim is a prophecy because it sounds like it referring to a later event.
@@mattm8870 The Bible is very weak in prophecies compared to Nostradamus or The Simpsons. A song by REM even mentions Trump by name long before he became president!
Still doesn't change the fact that a man who walked on this planet some 2000 years ago, did all the things that billions of people today believe and revere him for including dying and coming back to life after a few days is not EVIDENTLY true.
No contemporary documents support any resurrection either.
Do people have to go that far and make argument and argument in order to make themselves feel better.
Very good Paulogia, thanx for taking on this one.
Great job my friend!!
GREAT ONE PAUL.
As usual, I'm making notes while watching.
And the JINGLE...it always just makes me feel good.
4:17 AND if we generously call a credit card sized piece of papyrus with about 10 words on it a "manuscript".
Why do apologists resort to such blatantly obvious misrepresentations? Do they really think nobody's going to check? Or do they know they have no case but that the people who WANT to believe won't check?
Paulogia is brilliant n I can listen to him all day..
Great video as always
If ever someone needs to witness a severe lack of critical thinking....listen to theists/believers, one should be totally convinced almost immediately.
We know more about the life, physical appearance, court gossips, wealth of Rameses II, by original elements from 3300 years ago, than anything about Jesus, 1300 years later.
Underwhelming miracle for a God.
One of the most known person and that changed the entire History, Jesus? Compareted with Ramsuss II 😂😂😂
@@Mar-dk3mp yep, and we know more about a crippled pharaoh who's name was intentionally erased from history. So much for the divine power of Yahweh, can't preserve the memory of himself better than a nobody.
Just like he seems to not be able to forgive the "sins" of his creations without killing himself in sacrifice to himself to apace himself for something that he did.
@@Mar-dk3mp nothing to do with what I said.
Besides, Allah also changed history with the biggest empire before the British.
So what, does that make Allah real?
BAM ! Got Another One !
I wonder if you will do an episode on Dominionism and especially about how "christians" are defending Hungary as a great "christian nation"
Can't wait for that prophecy series!
I love this channel!
Small correction of Paulogia - we actually have a TON of original ancient texts (as opposed to copies). My favorite example is a letter called "Little Theon is Angry" in my translation, in which a boy complains that he wasn't allowed to go with his father to the city.
You know what those historians didn't record from that time, zombies walking around Jerusalem praising Jesus, the sky turning black, and the rending of the temple shroud, nor any earth quakes, all only in the bible. You'd think historians would have noticed
Thanks for the video :)
I enjoy live Paulogia and animated Paulogia!😊
Considering the length of time between the events and when they were written down, I find it hard to believe the words attributed to jebus are accurate in any way. Yet preachers will go on and on about how "jebus could have used that word, but he used this one because ..."
Of course, the congregation probably isnt aware of the delay in the written gospels. I didnt find that out until long after I became rational.
Wow. Prophesies written after the events described are just as amazing as the thousands of copies made by people that thought they would burn forever for not making those copies.
I'm convinced. I'm a torturer worshiper now.
Great video!
How strange that the creator of the universe/son of creator, left such a confusing hotchpotch of "evidence' of his supposed Earthly visit ? Almost as if the story has been fabricated over time !
I like the example given by Robert Price for the stupidity of the Disciples. It's like Jimmy Olsen in Superman. By having everything explained to Jimmy in the story, it's really explaining to the audience. Or similarly Watson to Sherlock Holmes.
I like the analogies. Superman characters. And Sherlock Holmes with Dr. Watson.
A couple of examples that I grew up with. Thank you for the practical visualizations.
Thank you brother.
Thanks! VEeerrrrrrrrrry interesting!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
But look at all those serious looking books behind him!
Hey Paulgia 👋
Keep up the hard work
Why You western godless and Souless always talk about God and Jesus, you are Godless and Souless people who thinks will be nothing once death, continue o be a Godless and Souless western person, right? 😊.
@@Mar-dk3mp I'm not soulless!! I'm a Luciferian my soul is twisted 😈
Jokes aside.. who are you to judge? I used to be a Christian.. then I read the Bible by myself... Lol
@@Mar-dk3mp it's surprising how much the Bible stories are covered in blood that I didn't notice when I was told what it says.. Satan teased Jesus in the desert and lost a "bet" with god and tortured Job. (Cruel joke on gods part) God has killed how many people?
@@ConservativeSatanist666 ignore them, they are posting the same response in every comment and deleating them (or are been deleated by youtube because of the spam)
@@Gaston-Melchiori fair enough.. bloody trolls lol
Thanks!
Thank you, Lorne!
Dr. Brown is really addressing believing Christians, not skeptics.
That's standard for apologists. They aren't trying to persuade nonbelievers, they're trying to hold onto the current ones.
"Group appearances" are not convincing since the earliest source in which they are mentioned (1 Cor 15) does not describe what happened nor do we have firsthand testimony from anyone who supposedly took part in them. Moreover, it's unclear what exactly was meant by the word Greek word used for "appeared" (ophthe). This same word was used in the LXX to refer to when God "appeared" in theophanies or when the "glory of the Lord" appeared. This is ambiguous though because in most instances it does not describe seeing anything physical. In the Second Temple literature - Philo, Josephus, etc they interpret things like the burning bush and angels appearing in Gen. 18 as "visions."
If the group appearances were described in 1 Cor 15 as actually seeing a physical person walking around, then in order to doubt that, a skeptic would have to use the hallucinatory explanation - which seems implausible and ad hoc. But since the group appearances *are not described* (all you have is the vague term "appear") then it's not clear that a physical encounter with a resurrected figure on the earth was implied. The term is equally likely to refer to a heavenly appearance and so it doesn't matter how many people were said to experience it.
None of the resurrection narratives in the gospels match Paul's appearance chronology from 1 Cor 15 and they all grow more dramatic and fantastic in chronological order as if a legend was evolving. So appealing to the gospels as evidence doesn't help either I'm afraid. If they are just later legendary stories then no one actually "hallucinated" the experience, and thus, this leaves the apologetic response to the "hallucination hypothesis" dead in the water.
Um, people dying for a lie is like the thing that happened in Jonestown. Like, there but for the grace of Drew go them.
Also at the Eastern Front between 1939 and 1945. Members of the SS were totally willing to die for nazi-racism.
Branch Davidians, Heaven’s Gate, Manson family, etc.- just in my lifetime.
I remember reading some gnostic writing from way back when that basically said not to be a martyr cause that's crazy stupid. I'm sure there would be a lot of people who would agree with that. It makes me wonder about these guys that Christians keep bringing up.
Wiped the floor 👏🏼👏🏼
Thank you for your intelligent, accurate assessment of these claims/interpretations of religious (brainwashed) people
Reading Michael L Brown's "Jewish Objections to Jesus" was the final nail in the coffin of my Christian faith. Researching his distortions and lies finally got me to see Christianity had no truth in it
Western Godless and Souless people say western Godless and Souless people believe.... What a cult for real 😂😂🤣
I'm curious to know what he wrote in it and why it was the final nail in the coffin of your christian faith?
@@marcusniaz3110 through the book series he is dishonest, making false claims, relies on logical fallacies for his arguments, and he demonstrates a general misunderstanding of the Jewish faith that even I who has only studied it a little knew he didn't understand it. I was given the books at the time by my pastor because most of the issues I was having with Christianity was it's relation to the Jewish scriptures, and with how Christians interpret the NT in ways that make make Jesus not the Messiah by Jewish law. It was through that time of asking questions and doing research into Brown's claims that I figured out Christianity was just a house of cards. Christianity is an out growth of Judaism, basically growing out of the Judaisms of the time that had taken in Greek philosophy and mythology, Babylonian and other religious ideas, while trying to preserve itself in a pluralistic world. At the end it was clear Jesus wasn't the fulfillment of prophecy, that if Jesus existed his sect of Judaism became misunderstood through the mythology told of him, and through the manipulations of Paul and later church leaders.
@@wilkimist Interesting! Do you mind just giving me one or two examples where he does this? It seems that many are convinced by his arguments including former Jews.
@@marcusniaz3110 Why you western Godless and Souless people are so obsessed with God? Continue your Life, be a Godless and Souless person, that does not know where your morals come from, and think to be nothing once you death, right?
Do these people ever have a half decent argument
Why You western godless and Souless always talk about God and Jesus, you are Godless and Souless people who thinks will be nothing once death, continue o be a Godless and Souless western person, right? 😊. You do not even know where your morals come from and standard morals... What a wonderful not community 🤣🤣🤣 I guess money, an Ealthy and materialistic society produce that... 🥴
He looks like the dad from "The Wild Thornberrys"
Omg yes he really looks like Nigel!!!!
Also, Joshua Bowen and Michael Brown debate.
It's very telling that these preachers believe that Jesus is alive and well and relevant and standing right here beside me... but instead of trying to prove THAT, the best they can do is talk about something that happened 2,000 years ago and try to make the case for that instead.
One of those things should be very easy to prove, the other would be very difficult to prove, even if it happened. So why do they focus on the thing that is harder to prove? Better yet, why does this Jesus guy stand by silently as these apologists fail on every level when he could easily prove his existence?
And you can't say Jesus has no interest in proving himself because the entire point of the gospels was him proving his divinity to people by performing magic tricks, and then we are expected to believe he went and hid under a rock for 2000 years while the majority of people don't accept that he existed?
The god that Christians believe in is evidently too pathetic for me to care about.
Thanks for staying on top of these charlatans.
imagine someone who does not even have a community, a place where to meet... Godless are the charlatans here... Be real 😉
@@Mar-dk3mp we have communities, just not religious ones.
Also, charlatans can be anywhere, but they specially pray on people with low levels of critical thinking/education.
And yes, also, why are you deleting your comments?
@@Mar-dk3mp What does having a place to meet have to do with what Edgar Snake posted? Nice non sequitur.
@@Mar-dk3mp
You have an obvious tendency to lose focus in these threads.
@@bellezavudd Why you western Godless and Souless people are so obsessed with God? Continue your Life, be a Godless and Souless person, that does not know where your morals come from, and think to be nothing once you death, right?
After a few minutes I could see why he turned down your offer, he’s pretty terrible. It’s kind of sad that Christians place their faith in his ‘teachings’, as if they are reliable in any way. Great video content, as always!
Apparently only one manuscript of Lucretius' poem, _De rerum natura,_ survived from antiquity. Even if the historical Lucretius didn't write it, that one copy is valuable because of the quality of the poetry and the way it expresses radical ideas from Greek materialist philosophy. Only someone artistically and intellectually gifted could have written it.
Whereas any mediocre literate person in antiquity could have written Jesus fan fiction, and other unsophisticated people could have accepted it as authentic.
In light of recent events, I am dubious about the "willing to die" arguments. Certain individuals have been alleged to have performed certain acts that the authorities frown upon. I have not heard any of these individuals declare "I did it, I would do it again and I will endure going to prison!"
Willing to die has never been valid for an argument of truth.
Since not only does every religion have its martyrs willing to die , every army in history has had men willing to die for some cause or patriotism.
Huh?
If you did live he was nothing more than a first century Galilean cult leader who when he died he stayed dead like all the rest of us will. No 2,000-year-old zombie. Train to Jerusalem.
He's making Lee Strobel look honest.
dude the Weird Al movie is 10000% facts man.
Of course, someone named Jesus lived. Did he have magical powers and live in the Middle East? Probably not.
Why You western godless and Souless always talk about God and Jesus, you are Godless and Souless people who thinks will be nothing once death, continue o be a Godless and Souless western person, right? 😊. You do not even know where your morals come from and standard morals... What a wonderful not community 🤣🤣🤣 I guess money, an Ealthy and materialista society produce that... 🥴
@Mar I'm going to assume English isn't your first language. A god isn't needed for someone to be moral. We as a species evolved with empathy. I don't need anyone to tell me murder is wrong. When I see or hear about someone being murder I feel bad and will do anything to avoid said situation. "The golden rule" isn't derived from devine intervention. The most atheistic countries are Sweden, Norway, and Finland. They also happen to have the best quality of life for their citizens.
It's clear that "the more miserable you are, the more religious you are overall."
We talk about these gods, but God(yhwh) and Jesus in particular because we have people in power that believe in them and make laws based on outdated morals. And that's dangerous.
No one named Jesus could have been alive before the 1500s.
So not only did he not have magical powers or rise from the dead he had another name.
Which is damning considering how holy & powerful the name Jesus is supposed to be.
It's tiresome that people still mindlessly believe. Isn't it time to cut them loose and let them drown in their ignorance?
Even if we had HD video of Jeebus' adventures in Judea, and it matched the storybook, the best explanation would be an ancient illusionist con-man like Uri Geller.
Hey, Paul. Good video.
@14:00 you show dates for the Babylonian Talmud between 70-200 CE, which is far too early. This period is commonly understood as the time of the "Tannaim," who were the rabbinical teachers behind the sayings eventually to be compiled in the Mishna. The Talmud Babli and the Talmud Y'rushalmi are commentaries on the Mishnah, compiled of the teachings of the "Amoraim," who were rabbinical teachers living after 200 CE and for the next 250 years. Neither of the written Talmudim even appears until the fifth century.
I noticed this, because his commentary stated it was from around 500 AD, which conflicts with what was on the graphics (70-200AD)
The bar kokhbah revolt is 130s. That’s the date for Rabi Akivah. The year 70 is the time when they start having problems with the Roman’s. So that’s an accurate evaluation for a time of origin of the Michna. Since it’s decision comes from the Jamnia school. It’s contents range from origins way earlier.
@@isaakleillhikar8311 but the graphic is not talking about the Mishna. It shows that the Talmud stems from as early as the second century, which is flatly wrong.
@@DrKippDavis Yeah, but its where the process started.
@@isaakleillhikar8311 but that is not what anyone is talking about.
At 19:10, the talk of the Second Temple reminds me of a recent Kevin Thojind (name changed) video. People are so wanting to “prove the prophecy” of the Third Temple, that they’ll go out of their way to genetically engineer a red- and straight-haired, cow that fulfills all the requirements of halakha because the red heifers of the Bible, if real, would be such an extreme genetic anomaly it can’t occur again naturally. It’s not a prophecy if you, under your own power, make it true!
Why You western godless and Souless always talk about God and Jesus, you are Godless and Souless people who thinks will be nothing once death, continue o be a Godless and Souless western person, right? 😊. You do not even know where your morals come from and standard morals... What a wonderful not community 🤣🤣🤣 I guess money, an Ealthy and materialista society produce that... 🥴
I can't wait for the "prophecy" analysis series.
Paulogia on messianic prophecy. Yes Please!
Do you see what he did. He compared oldest surviving manuscript for the Rome issue but used authorship for the bible
I got 18 hole in ones in my last round of golf. I was so excited that urinated myself.
Clearly because I said something embarrassing about me then the rest is true.
Did you get kicked out of the mini-putt?
Stretch Armstrong was a really weird toy.
Well, that was lot less scholarly not to mention original than I had hoped on the PhD guys end.
Dammit, I put on my tweed jacket with elbow patches for this !
That noted the whole messianic Judaism thing is certainly an interesting phenomenon to observe.
The criterion of embarrassment might be the dumbest apologetic ever.
Lying about something slightly embarrassing (though it's just an assumption people would've found that embarrassing) is exactly what a conman would do to get you to believe the bigger lie they're actually trying to make you believe... 9:55 ah shit, Wallace agrees with me? Guess I have to re-evaluate that last statement then. It's possible he accidentally got something right, but...
Godless person you are still there.. dude be real you will be the idea you will be nothing once death..... Great eh? 😊
“Scholarly,” as in, a collection of biased apologists speaking in an echo chamber.
Hey Paul,
Do you know anything about the CTMU Of Christopher Langan?
Fantastic rebuttals of Dr. Brown's Christological claims, and who R' Singer, R' Shmuley Boteach, and Jews for Judaism, and a few other Orthodox Rabbis underestimated years ago, and didn't do all that well in some of their debates with him. However, you really countered / debunked Dr. Brown's strongest apologetic justifications / rationalizations in this video.
So, well done and all the respect!
And this guy is supposed to be an expert on eastern religion and he doesn't know that there were many deities that came from virgin births🤦🏿♂️
Look him up. He isn't. He's a scholar on Middel Eastern languages.
Michael Brown, like all other Christians, is delusional. Not in the dictionary sense of believing in something despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. But in the sense that they do not require incontrovertible evidence to form their beliefs. That’s what all religious people do. That’s why we have so many religions and beliefs. The honest person says I don’t know.
This is true for Christianity, Jews, Hindus and Budhist. They have lost the chain of narration completely. Islam is not on this group. When the prophet perform miracles and saying things, many people saw or heard it and then passed it down. These passing down process was evolved in to many chain of narration accross the Islamic empires. Many of the narration gathered by one compiler was found also in book of another compiler. Critics often says that the compilation took place some 200-250 years after the death Muhammad Pbuh but what they refer to is the compilation by Bukhari and often neglecting the earliest complation by Imam Malik. He lived in time stamp that was close enough to last person from first generation of Islam who saw, lived with and taught by Muhammad pbuh directly. This person name was Anas and He lived long enough (abt 80 years after the death of Muhammad Pbuh) then died not so far from the first compilation of Hadith by Imam Malik. Also the first compiler (Imam Malik) was citizen of of Medinah Al Munawarah. The city where Anas and Prophet Muhammad Pbuh came from.
@@andanandan6061 as I said, the honest person says “I don’t know.”
Smashing
The cursed child reference.... I felt that.
I will never understand the talk about fullfilled old testament prophecy
if I'm not convinced about jesus story being true, how is going to point to more bible stories going to help in any way
the only thing that would help is independent evidence for anything miracolous in the bible
Why would there be prophecies? Was god putting out teasers?
@@davidwimp701 “And he shall be called Emmanuel.” Mary: “Let’s call him Jesus.”