Restoring the Ottoman Empire in Victoria 3 is an Unforgettable (and absurd) Experience!
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- Опубліковано 18 тра 2023
- The Ottoman Empire is a state that is preparing to no longer exist. But today, in Victoria 3, we try to save it! Will we be successful, or will we get annexed? Find out today in this episode of Victoria 3!
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In order to be recognized, you need to enforce it against a Great Power. You could have done it to Russia for example. Also, you can't be a Great Power if you are in a customs union.
Yeah I tried to break free but I was a little late in the game at that point
I wouldn't say the Ottomans "colonized" Libya considering it was an imperial conquest left over from forever ago. It was administered as a province of the Ottoman state, not an African colony
Yeah, the ottomans were old school and didn't bother trying to turkify their subjects too much. Thats why the people the conquered for centuries retained their cultures.
If they really went hard they could have probably left east europe mostly muslim.
They liked jizya tax though so it was preferable to let any natives do their own thing in return for higher taxes.
The difference between colonisation and conquest is a really blurry line.
@@andrewgreenwood9068 True, it's very much historical hair splitting and I'm sure the Libyans themselves would have prefered everyone fucked off and left them alone
@@andrewgreenwood9068 I would disagree, colonization was if the invaders began moving there or if the people were forcefully made like their invaders.
This was rare before the early modern era, people would just enslave some people but only really change the administration of conquered regions.
The real blurry area is the difference between a vassal state and protectorate, idk if there is even a difference there.
@@resentfuldragon except that this wasn't really done much in central Africa which is one of the big examples people think of when they think of colonisation.
You should always keep rail subsidized. If you are losing money then drive up the price of transportation by setting more industries and city centers to use rail. If tickets are more expensive than the cost of engines and coal then you will make money. Also interventionistm allows you to make the rails state owned. This means that you keep all the dividends on rail instead so money goes into your treasury instead of the capitalist class. Most of the time this means that you will make a direct profit on rail. This is super important I can't stress this enough. Low infrastructure from not having rail gives you big debuffs. If a state has 85% infrastructure then that means that local businesses have to pay extra 15% to get the goods they need making them unprofitable a lot of time. 100% infrastructure is the indirect benefit of rail. Even if you lose money on rail it's still worth it because without it every industry suffers
will cripple your economy long term. By switching the ownership of companies and infrastructure from merchant guilds or privated to stock traded (not sure if the name is right, plaing in a diff languange) you create a shitton of capitalists. With gradual taxation you collect taxes mostly from dividends, meaning that mostly the capitalists fund your nation. Additionally you can build up a massive luxury goods sector for said capitalists. The state of living will increase, as taxes are far lower for the lower strata, the middle strata will expand, the upper strata will be your main income source.
state owned infra like you describe it relies on transportation being expensive wich is (as you might understand yourself) not good for business. Your job is not to earn money. Your job is to help your Nation expand quicker, so you earn more money later.
@Andre Fasching when the options presented are get some of the dividends from capitalists through taxes and investment pool and increase their standard of living or get all the dividends i will gladly take number 2. I would recommend you try out more government owned stuff. For example rn command economy is by far the best economic system because taking the dividends yourself is super powerful. Legit it's insane try it
@@afridge8608 Yeah i tried it. The game will at first say you that you will earn more money but in the long run, you will earn a lot less.
I dont understand anyway how everybody thinks the economy in this game is about money. Its not. Its about growth.
A Nation with very low taxes, laize faire, free trade and only collects taxes via the consumption of luxury goods will have an insanely rich general population and will expand faster and more growth oriented as you ever could.
In my Games i usually stop buildung stuff my self during the midgame, while most of my building gets down by the private sector via the investment pool.
the last 20 years of the campaign i struggle with the unavoidable fact that my industry is so goddamn big that i allone consume 95% of worlds oil reservers and still have a deficit by a lot, while i have a Economy being several billions big. Thats the point where i sometimes switch to command economy as there is little point in additional growth as your economy will by this point only grow via inflation.
But if you want we can play a game. Maybe i am doing something wrong, albeit i dont believe it. Maybe you are doing something wrong, albeit you dont believe it. Mqxbe we both simply get better at the game and have some fun
Having a Cold war with a turbocapitalist and a true socialist Nation could be a lot of fun in my eyes
@Andre Fasching I don't think that you quite grasp why exactly low taxes and laissez-faire economics work. It's because your capitalists have more money for the investment pool. But under a different economic system the capitalists money go straight to the player. The capital doesn't disappear because the state collected it or anything. In my opinion I trust my own judgment much more than the investment pool. I can choose the state I build, I can choose states with more or less pops, I can choose to bunch up a lot of buildings to get that efficiency bonus and I can get electricity coal iron much faster. The investment pool only builds what is profitable at the time so alot of the time it builds shit buildings like art academies that yes do make profit but I myself know that coal and iron will make much more profit in the long run. In the end its about who you want to use the money. Do you want the ai and the small elite capitalist bourgeoisie class or do you want the player and the honest hardworking proletariat
@@afridge8608 ahhhh now i get it. You simply dont like capitalism.
1.How do you decide on building iron mines?? simply max them out?!? Ive never run into a situation where i had recources left to be mined.
2. So you dont like profit? Well i use the profit in order to build more stuff that profits me later, instead of cucking myself for 80% of the game
3. Boy i know how building works. And i can assure you its the private market that knows best. With the 25% Gov building capacity i usually build nothing more than electricity and infrastructure as my privats doing all the rest.
4. I think YOU dont understand how a consumer orientated economy works. But thats no prob imo. i heard you socialists love being poor.
5. What i want is being the richest country with the richest and most productive population. And that is best archieved by letting the market regulate itself and only interfere if there are serious shortages.
I again think we should simply play a game. Or are you scared to loose? We could also agree on a country and each one plays for themself and we compare afterwards. How about the USA?....or Russia? Idk, il reach Billions of GDP with either of them
Puppets are extremely strong in vic 3, they will never break away, because the game prevents them from becoming a GP. They also give you 20% of their budget, and allow you to expand without having to worry about radicals from taking their states over. The only downside is you can't develop their states, but you can always annex them through a war later on (it's also discounted).
Also, the naval landing mechanic is inherently broken currently, and if you spam enough naval invasions you can tie up their entire garrison in combat and land units on the coast and expand uncontested until some earlier naval invasions fail, and their garrison is free'd up to contest you.
The investment pool will build railways whenever the infrastructure is low in a province. This can spiral if the railways aren't profitable and cannot reach full employment. The fix is to sibsidize railways, and if you want to make some of those subsidies back set them to government run.
Fun video! Maybe not optimal, but it's cool to see you learning the game a bit as you play. Hope for more Victoria 3 content.
hey sgt, revolutions only start when radicalism of movement is over 100, so if you somehow manage to keep them at 99 radicalism max and not make it go up u can pass the reform without them revolting
Right! Thanks for the info (though, it’s all different in the new dlc)
@@SGT oh i didnt know there was a new dlc, last time i played was when uhhh the march update came out i think
@@DojBro the new dlc comes out on monday and the new update it will change evrything and they will give flavor to france
@@DojBro its still the same update but the dlc is coming this monday
@@SebastianRoczz got it, so i wasnt very wrong in the end. thanks
I actualy just played the Ottomans yesterday and had an amazing time
your vids and channel are unappreciated hope you have a good day
Just wanna say I will like every one of your vicky 3 videos, feel like there's not enough of it, and I'm enjoying the game too!
Oh and additional tips for you since you asked:
1. Becoming recognized matters because there's less chance of the AI wanting to dominionize/puppet you, you can become GP with it, and it lowers your interest rate so deficit spending is much easier (and becoming a GP also lowers your interest rate further).
2. Capitalists love spamming railroads when there's: a) a lack of infrastructure in a state or b) transportation is expensive. Therefore, for a), try and look time to time for states with a said lack of infrastructure since its bad for you anyway, and micromanage the pops in the state from other buildings to rail to stop the AI from building more (you can quickly see it by clicking on the situations button on the top of the screen).
For b), transportation is usually in some ok amount of demand so that most of your railways want to use the "Wooden/Steel passenger carriages" production method, which makes rail cheaper for you by selling transportation, so the capitalist AI won't go ham on it. Of course, if transportation is very cheap, switch back for more money.
Otherwise, on 23:48 of the video you can see that coal is very expensive (marked by the gold icon), so drop the price of this input good by importing or building mines to make railroads profitable.
There are also edge case scenarios where states have an infrastructure and workforce/qualifications deficit, so the AI builds railroads, but no one can work there so it spams them forever. The coming patch will disincentivize this behaviour in the AI.
@@axxshadowzz another tip. Corn laws allows for much easier economic reforms.
love the videos!
you said victoria 2 in the description
Force of habit
Oops.. will change
@@SGT to reduce radicalism in your pops, go in the pop menu and see what goods your population wants. Try and reduce the price of those goods by importing or producing them.
"Whats good about the Ottoman Empire in Victoria 3 ? Absolutely nothing...."
In the current patch you can still set up corn laws (exporting grain) and get a market liberal as your landowner leader, which allows you to reform faster.
I mean it's not really how the market works in the game, but expanding and maintaining infrastructure at a loss to provide abstract benefits caused by it existing is kind of how infrastructure works.
No the problem is the ai keeps making extra. Like you have enough but it just keeps making more and it’s like a endless loop taht just crashes your economy cuz all your money is goin into subsidiesing the railways
What the fuck are you talking about? That made 0 sense bro, try again.
@@missme2046 better to just get 1 in each state then subsidize them all and after that you just let your capitalists build them as needed because they will do a fairly decent job and NEVER put railroads on auto expand because auto expand doesnt take enough relevant factors into account to really work how it should and it just mindlessly expand railroads.
@@missme2046 I prefaced my statement by saying "it's not really how the market works in the game"
salute from Turkey thansk to playing ottoman empire
I think the point of the dlc is to make laws much more interesting for countries like the US or France which start out with very good laws.
Why Ataturk when you can SGT? You are the real hero of the Turkish people
Did you set all of your industries to rail transport?
Always
@@SGT Then the rich will do what the rich will do, although I've seen that reforming the government to a republic usually helps your politics and money along immensely
Some stuff I noticed and wish to give you tips on:
Direct conquest in this game isn't as good as puppeting. When I played the Ottomans, I Puppeted Iran as opposed to slowly eating them. Not only is this less infamy, you get to annex them later, during the wait time they give you payments for being their overlord. You also should have done that with Egypt.
During your war against Egypt and Russia, I noticed that you had your generals on the offense in the Russian front. The Russians vastly outnumbered you, so having them on the offense was a bad idea since you'd be sending your men into the slaughter for no reason, giving you more war exhaustion. In that situation you should tell them to defend.
You were considering switching to consumption based taxation, luckily you spotted that it decreases revenue. Basically, going down the taxes laws increases how much you get from them. Consumption based is the worst, graduated is the best.
Being on high taxes is generally not good, unless you have the better taxation methods. This is because of radicals, basically at stuff like consumption based taxation, you are taxing mainly the poor. Taxing the hell out of pops means they have less spending money, lowering their standard of living, spiking your radicals. The idea here is to be on low taxes to get legitimacy and loyalists, while growing your economy to the point where that is affordable.
Getting police laws and home affairs are important for conservative nations. Having max police and home affairs virtually negates the effect of radicals and turmoil.
I don't fully agree with the first one but i get it
Conquest is fixed now
6:11 was that a fiddler reference? 😂
Hey guys it's me, Southern German Tribe here,
Are any events scripted in this game? No Egyptian uprising, no Crimean war, no Congress of Berlin. Bland.
The Ottomans “conquered” not colonized Líbia
True. Thanks for watching!
Lol he kept saying vic 2 must really love that game 😅
For early money stream try to build things you put consumption tax on, and dont produce its substitute
Now imagine being Atatürk and this mess going out of ww1. Yeah my respect tripled after replaying this shit 4th time.
what are your thoughts on the new update 👀
Bro didn't care about the infamy😂😂😂
That is how to accurately play the ottomans though.
They fought so many massive coalitions since day 1, the caliphate is based.
The railway problem could maybe result from the wrong production methods?
I tend to switch all my mines and fields to railway transportation asap. I assume if you dont do this, they will build more as the infrastructure need will still increase with the additional buildings and pops but the railway will not make any money as it has no customers.
Oh and another thing, i saw you nit doing. Have you built additional goverment administration? I had a chinese game where i lost yearly countless millions of taxes as i was not being able to keep up with builing gov ad.....questioning myself right now if there is an Ancapistan meta strategy where you remove all of them and embrace turbocapitalism with laize faire, free trade, traded companies and no gov ad.
Yeah I hate it too when the capitalist just spam the shit outta your railways and it just crashes your economy
Lore of Restoring the Ottoman Empire in Victoria 3 is an Unforgettable (and absurd) Experience momentum 100
How is it 1905 and you are ranked 12th ?? I’d be in the top 3 easy by then
They need to remove war altogether in this game. Soooo bad
You gain recognition by enfocing a certain cb against a GP.
radicalism is solved by two institutions, police and home affairs.
(you shuld try and speedrun getting guaranteed liberty and maxing it out as soon as possible to not only minimize radicals but increase loyalists)
liberalizing your vote makes it easier to get interest groups that you need to pass reforms (you want to give industrailists and inteligentia more of a voice than your landowners and eventually you want the same with trade unions and minimize the industrialists.)
its ok to run a deficit so long as you can build into it. you should pause construction only in very dire economic circumstances. its almost always preferable to lower your construction rather than a start stop cycle.
you should always aim to have the most modern taxation method that you can. (the more modern=> the more progressive=> the more lower classes earn and so the more of a voice they have in allowing you to further modernize + more gov revenue means more construction). you should only not do this if you were to lose revenue from doing so. but if that were to happen, it would be unlikely you have the votes to pass said reform.
Good job with the Ottomans, for me i do not like them
tax the services, that is the best consumption tax.
dont do this! Will vastly decrease standard of living of the poorest and will create more radicals
@@andrefasching1332 no it wont. taxes do the same thing for every good, not just services. Services are the best one incase of performance. Also you can very easily incrase the amount of Services goods. Also after 1860s many of your town centers wont even be fully employed because the demand will be low compared to potantiel.
@@mnd9166 luxury taxes are without doubt the best taxes. You of course will need to build up an economy that supports lots of upper class citicen. You dont want to tax the poorest. You want to increase their living standard as high as possible as early as possible
Also taxing services is inherently questionable as its you that finances the Buildings in question. You are literally cycling money through the buildings while with luxury taxes you actually take money out of the pockets of the super rich.
But of course the goal is a nation that can survive without consumption taxes as any tax will negatively impact your economy
With the new DLC France is a really good learner nation because the new content really puts you in the headspace of shaping the nation rather than reactionary play.
play da new patch wif da dlc plz k thank u
Ottomans didnt colonized Libya.Egypt was part of it all the way to North Africa
Fnaf let's play
Let's not
Ronald Reagan challenge as the ottomans is just carrying out the Armenian genocide asap
Didnt happen, they deserved it
Cringe game