It does not pull timing with heat it reduces aircharge. Controlling temperature is easier by boost than just removing timing. Stock tune reduces way more aircharge than prl maps. That’s the reason you had a massive difference in torque between stock and reflash. Also your supposed to drive the car after a flash to allow it to start running fuel trims. The afr will stay locked on 14.7 until you do. A non heat soaked type r will do 280 whp on dyno jet. You can legitimately get 380whp same dyno with bolt ons and 93octane. I made 338whp on hondata 93 map which is within 10hp of prl 93 map. The ignition timing is identical so is fueling of those maps. Only boost is changed. That injen intake pulling air from the engine compartment will only make about 5-10 hp loss. The prl hvi intake is better than injen. Pressure wise 22-25 psi tapering to approx 19-20 psi is what you should see in logs. Boost will vary between runs cause the car doesn’t search for pressure numbers it searches for aircharge reading from MAF sensor. It looks for volume not pressure. It’s a common misconception. A heat soaked type r will go down to about 250whp or less on dynojet. It can go as low as 240. You don’t lose 40whp on prl tune as you can see about a 20 hp loss heat soaked. Custom tune with his setup can easily bump 20whp or more. My Current numbers are unknown but I’m legitimately making more than when I was making 375whp. The target fuel ratios are not like typical turbo car which I figured out after. I made 280 stock then 338 fbo ots map then 375whp custom tune. Now I’m not sure but I know it’s more.
the high flow grill really helps for drag racing. but when your going around a track its not heat soaking so much. which its designed for. drag races will heat soak the shit out of it.
That’s not what heat soak is. That only effects initial iat temp and intercooler takes over. Heat soak means the intercooler and piping and engjne reach a high level overall temp. Even with 120 iat from Intake. an I tercooer can easily chop 40 degrees out if it mitigating temp differences. No cold air intake combats heat soak from stand still loaded pulls.
@@jpierr79 heatsoak is just getting hot in general because the heat has no where to go therefore it 'soaks' into things in the engine bay. You think an NA engine can't heatsoak because it doesn't have an intercooler? lol It is both hot air entering the intake and the intercooler being hot. If the air entering the intake is hotter, then the air exiting the intercooler will be hotter, regardless of how good your intercooler is, that's just facts.
I was about to end the video (early) and comment after you gave the first 93 numbers. I am considering getting into the platform and it seems like 350 wheel is reasonably attainable with tune dp intercooler and intake. Any idea what kind of mile per hour this set up with trap in the quartermile?
I'm pretty sure the heat soaked runs provide the more realistic numbers when driving around on the street on an average spring or summer day. That turbo is hot and the hood will be closed, so you can't expect it to run cool, unless you switch to e85 or it's the middle of winter.
Definitely agree that the heat soaked numbers are a good representation of a real world hot summer day if you are stuck in slow traffic. But one thing about these results. My fan cant move as much air as you get when driving on the street. As long as the car is moving and its not a hot summer day, it wouldn't get as heat soaked because there is a lot more air movement when actually driving
this k20c1 puts out more horsepower than a k20z3 and k20a2 with bolt ons... in order to get high gains like that you have to build up the engine. But not this one, ive seen one with over 400hp after bolt ons and some over 500hp after a turbo upgrade
@Sergio its not apples to apples as older k engines have higher compression and cams suited to high rpms, head flow is good for top end but the tumble created by the lower flowing k20c1 head along with direct injection makes a lot more torque from 3500rpm, horses for courses older engines might make higher peak hp with the same boost but the k20c will make more torque
@Sergio 600hp k24 make around 400lb this is making 340 which is impressive for bolt ons and a tune thats all we're saying, yes older k20a2 can make crazy hp stock block with turbo but thats not the point, this car has basic bolt ons and a custom flash, those kind of gains on my old ep3 was the stuff of dreams
So basically a CTR that’s supposed to compete with the Golf R, when tuned, only achieves the same power the GTI makes when tuned, with it’s smaller IS20 turbo. 🤣🤣🤣
Thats a mustang dyno buddy. These CTR make around 370whp with custom tuning, if you add e85 should be closer to 400whp. The is20 choke around 340-350whp but hey easy to drop a is38 and make some more power too
Because it's sitting stationary on a dyno. It heats up alot faster than if it was driving on the street with wind blasting it . Plus it's probably alot warmer in that room than it is outside.
Good on u for offering him to come back and get better numbers good way to make the customer feel happy.
Thanks for the shout out nick!
It does not pull timing with heat it reduces aircharge. Controlling temperature is easier by boost than just removing timing. Stock tune reduces way more aircharge than prl maps. That’s the reason you had a massive difference in torque between stock and reflash. Also your supposed to drive the car after a flash to allow it to start running fuel trims. The afr will stay locked on 14.7 until you do. A non heat soaked type r will do 280 whp on dyno jet. You can legitimately get 380whp same dyno with bolt ons and 93octane. I made 338whp on hondata 93 map which is within 10hp of prl 93 map. The ignition timing is identical so is fueling of those maps. Only boost is changed. That injen intake pulling air from the engine compartment will only make about 5-10 hp loss. The prl hvi intake is better than injen. Pressure wise 22-25 psi tapering to approx 19-20 psi is what you should see in logs. Boost will vary between runs cause the car doesn’t search for pressure numbers it searches for aircharge reading from MAF sensor. It looks for volume not pressure. It’s a common misconception.
A heat soaked type r will go down to about 250whp or less on dynojet. It can go as low as 240. You don’t lose 40whp on prl tune as you can see about a 20 hp loss heat soaked. Custom tune with his setup can easily bump 20whp or more.
My Current numbers are unknown but I’m legitimately making more than when I was making 375whp. The target fuel ratios are not like typical turbo car which I figured out after. I made 280 stock then 338 fbo ots map then 375whp custom tune. Now I’m not sure but I know it’s more.
We put this car on a Dynojet and it made 375 with no changes to the tune - If you put your car on on a Dynojet, please share the results
This is why I love your videos, very informative.
the high flow grill really helps for drag racing. but when your going around a track its not heat soaking so much. which its designed for. drag races will heat soak the shit out of it.
I LOVE that red
It's heatsoaked because of that injen intake that isn't sealed off
That’s not what heat soak is. That only effects initial iat temp and intercooler takes over. Heat soak means the intercooler and piping and engjne reach a high level overall temp. Even with 120 iat from Intake. an I tercooer can easily chop 40 degrees out if it mitigating temp differences.
No cold air intake combats heat soak from stand still loaded pulls.
@@jpierr79 heatsoak is just getting hot in general because the heat has no where to go therefore it 'soaks' into things in the engine bay. You think an NA engine can't heatsoak because it doesn't have an intercooler? lol
It is both hot air entering the intake and the intercooler being hot. If the air entering the intake is hotter, then the air exiting the intercooler will be hotter, regardless of how good your intercooler is, that's just facts.
My biggest concern is the fuel pump duty %, mine touch 93% tuned by Pepo Besosa Red Start Tuning. What was your experience with it?
I was about to end the video (early) and comment after you gave the first 93 numbers. I am considering getting into the platform and it seems like 350 wheel is reasonably attainable with tune dp intercooler and intake. Any idea what kind of mile per hour this set up with trap in the quartermile?
Heat soak is a major issue especially with mine
I'm pretty sure the heat soaked runs provide the more realistic numbers when driving around on the street on an average spring or summer day. That turbo is hot and the hood will be closed, so you can't expect it to run cool, unless you switch to e85 or it's the middle of winter.
Definitely agree that the heat soaked numbers are a good representation of a real world hot summer day if you are stuck in slow traffic. But one thing about these results. My fan cant move as much air as you get when driving on the street. As long as the car is moving and its not a hot summer day, it wouldn't get as heat soaked because there is a lot more air movement when actually driving
@@tuningbynick absolutely, fans can't compete with a vehicle moving forward at 30mph or above.
In the UK most fuel pumps have 97/99 Ron would this make a difference in how much power the engine can produce when mapped?
yes
Why didn’t you custom tune him? There’s way more gains to be had.
This car will be back for custom tuning - We just didnt have the time that day
wonder if a different intake would help with heat soak. everyone rags on injen for heat issues.
evanturi is said to be the best intake for the fk8
PRL is the best bang for the buck, he wouldn't of heat soaked so bad
Very cool!
What afr are you tuning to at wot? 91 and 93?
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Stock type r's dyno 290whp wtf?
Sounds like it needs some cooling Upgrades
Is it safe to run this without a custom tune?
What video camera do you use? Nice video btw.
Im using a GoPro 8 - Im still trying to figure out what settings work best
this k20c1 puts out more horsepower than a k20z3 and k20a2 with bolt ons... in order to get high gains like that you have to build up the engine. But not this one, ive seen one with over 400hp after bolt ons and some over 500hp after a turbo upgrade
@Sergio u must be talking about the k20a2 from the rsx because the z3 is only good for the head?
The major difference is torque, also with big turbos k20c1 are making 600hp reliably
@@jeryjohn thats what i heard too, those engines are no joke and i bet it could, most of them can
@Sergio its not apples to apples as older k engines have higher compression and cams suited to high rpms, head flow is good for top end but the tumble created by the lower flowing k20c1 head along with direct injection makes a lot more torque from 3500rpm, horses for courses older engines might make higher peak hp with the same boost but the k20c will make more torque
@Sergio 600hp k24 make around 400lb this is making 340 which is impressive for bolt ons and a tune thats all we're saying, yes older k20a2 can make crazy hp stock block with turbo but thats not the point, this car has basic bolt ons and a custom flash, those kind of gains on my old ep3 was the stuff of dreams
What’s the specs on the the wheel spacers?
Holy crap...
Nice numbers Brando... havent seen this car since it was PDI'd lol
Hows the S doin
Injen Evo filter is meant to be tons better!
Do the 8th gen civics pull timing when they're heat soaked too? Jw cuz I have one lol
Yes they would - Pretty much all cars pull timing if they are heat soaking - Just some more then others
@@tuningbynick good to know lol I still want a nice radiator tho haha
Lets go Brandon!
What gear and speed are the dyno runs done in?
did these pulls in 4th gear
Crazy that the 2.0 accords are putting out 377 torque with hondata flash pro
Y’all running 93 basemap with petro 94 or something?
whooops you definitely mentioned it in the video after re-watching today. nice stuff maybe I'll drop by next time I'm in Toronto.
civic type-r fk8 hondata flashpro dyno ok
Wait what? The stock map ran 15psi? Stock map should run 1.6bar/23psi. Something isn't right there.
Lol i mean he said it was on the "stock flash" with a catless downpipe . . .
Emailed you a little over a week ago
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So basically a CTR that’s supposed to compete with the Golf R, when tuned, only achieves the same power the GTI makes when tuned, with it’s smaller IS20 turbo. 🤣🤣🤣
Thats a mustang dyno buddy. These CTR make around 370whp with custom tuning, if you add e85 should be closer to 400whp. The is20 choke around 340-350whp but hey easy to drop a is38 and make some more power too
Someone doesn't know the difference between mustang dyno and a dynojet
Mustang Dyno?
Yup - this is a Mustang Dyno
If you want to convert mustang numbers into dynojet just multiply by 1.13
Are those wheel hp numbers?
Yes. Wheel HP. Chassis dyno reads wheel HP.
That's the intercooler.. need better 1
So, you can only floored one time and thats it.....mmmm.
Because it's sitting stationary on a dyno. It heats up alot faster than if it was driving on the street with wind blasting it . Plus it's probably alot warmer in that room than it is outside.
Annnnnnnnnd wheels spacers
Can I make a type r 400 hp?
YES, with alot of mods and money.
they already have one that has over 600 wheel horsepower and made a 10 second pass. look it up here
Josiah Butler stock block?
Needs a front license plate.....more buff
wheres your shop nick ?
Im in Toronto, near Sherway Mall - Feel free to email of IG me if you are interested in setting something up - nick@tuningbynick.com