I love the back and forth between the brands. The 2967 will be more than the majority need already, but DeWalt waited for it to be released so they could drop this. Lol.
I think Milwaukee had it right when they opted to decrease size instead of increasing power (much). The DCF961 is a beast, but putting a 1/2" anvil on it is an odd decision. It seems more reasonable to keep the power at DCF900/2967 levels for 1/2" and just make the tool as small as possible, moving up to 3/4" if you need more power.
@@dsgamecube They increased power substantially. The DCF900 was the undisputed high torque king, crushing the previous M18, and the new one bests the 900 pretty handily.
@@jordanhensley5713 a 2010 Chevy 2500 plowtrucks Ubolts lol. Literally Tue dfc900 couldn't brake them . My 961 didn't even hit turbo and knocked em loose.
I nearly broke my DCF900 putting anchors in terrain for a swing set (jammed up the anvil somehow after a 20 second pull, eventually got it free just cycling the tool no load) - will know seasonal tire change time if it got messed up for a warranty claim. Hopefully the DCF961's anvil doesn't have this problem, however at this point I'll only go for it if my DCF900 breaks.
TTC delivering as always. Just so glad that tool companies like Milwaukee that seemed like they were the king at just about everything are really starting to get a run for their money. For some time it seemed like Dewalt was really starting to fall behind. Glad to see them make some strong efforts to come back, especially given im already vested in the Dewalt battey system and only have my feet wet in the Milwaukee M12 system. Competition is always healthy for consumers like ourselves. It forces companies to build better and better products at cheaper prices rather than getting complacent due to lack of competition. Channels like TTC and Project Farm puts their products under the spot light. I'm sure all the execs are watching these videos. Thanks TTC.
Agreed, with these new tools stemming from the torque arms race I'm rarely needing to reach for the torch or other implements of unstuckulation for even the worst of stuff I see. However, I fully expect and can't wait for government to somehow shoehorn it's way in, in the name of 'consumer wrist safety' of course, and to double the price of tools for less than half the performance.
@@SomeoneStoleMyHandle Not killing you and still having decent power aren't necessarily mutually exclusive; I really like how the aircat guns don't destroy the operator, at least the ones I've used, at least the hand ON the gun. The one holding the wrench is a total write-off, just order a new one before you start. A short time with an IR was enough for me, my wrist still hurts thinking about that experience.
As for dewalt midtorque its clearly only an overclocked old model. I cant get over how lightweight and feeble it feels, all that performance in such a design cannot be good for it and the extreme rattling and kickbacks proves that point. The hightorque feels more confident in the hand but still its not much different from the older models, so again, overclocked old tech.
I fear these new tools are going to suffer in the reliability and longevity department, we as a society are starting to get accustomed to replacing our stuff sooner and sooner and won't even realize it
I have a DCF899. A friend asked me "did you buy it yet" when this video first came out. I told him "No. I don't NEED that! My DCF899 hasn't failed me yet. When I come across something it can't bust free, I'll buy one." That happened last week. Now I have a DCF961, lol. I also bought the DCF891 mid-torque to replace the DCF899 - as my "daily 1/2"". When the 891 can't do it, the 961 will.
I have a dcf899 that I used for years as a mechanic. I would take off 33mm truck lugnuts with it that were torqued to 500ft lbs. If my 899 can take off a truck lugnut I dont need anymore then that. I used a Milwuakee 12v stubby to take the f350 lugnuts loose that were torqued to 165ft lbs. these two were a perfect combo of power when you need it and lightweight when you want it.
I've had the DCF891 a few days now and love it. Using it with the 5a Powerstack. Also have the Hercules 1200ft/lb High Torque impact. I don't work on diesel or really heavy duty stuff, so these two tools are a good combination for me
I'm in this same boat. i have an 891 at work, and bought a personal one for my truck. but they didn't have enough beans for the big work trucks. so i got a 900b as the 961 wasn't available yet. now i wish i didn't have the 900b, because I'd have already bought the 961. i lay hands on it every time I'm at the tool shop. it is a beast. soon, soon.
@@ChuckBeefOG yup we're way past the strength of a lot of fasteners with these tools. We were past that point five years ago if the tool operator didn't have any finesse. Nowadays it's almost too easy to rip a stud in half on accident.
@@jsplasha V-tec wasnt great anyway, it solved a non existing problem with a complex solution. Only engine i ever had with stuck valve problems and cylinder head rebuilds.
How so? It allowed good fuel economy around town with good performance when getting on it. Low cam: less air getting in the cyl, less fuel needed. High cam: more air in, more fuel = more power. Theres a reason all the performance vtec engines are highly sought after for modding vs the non vtec.
Cool stuff. Been using my 2767-20 for truck lug nuts for years, and it works great on rusted plow bolts. That said, I’d seriously consider the DCF961 (or its 3/4” brother) for my service truck. Nice to have all the beans when you’re on the side of the road swapping grader tires in traffic.
Do yourself a favor and get the 3/4" for this. I guess the 1/2" version is more of a marketing gimmick. Everyone got 1/2" sockets at home so sales will be at lot higher.
My air hose doesn't reach into salvage yards where I can't take a service truck and the cost of (good) mobile air compressor new is more than a VERY nice loadout of modern cordless. Except for sand blasting and needle scaling I barely use air any more.
As a fleet mechanic, i absolutely love the dcf961. Its an animal. Im a team yellow guy and I cant explain how this thing easily pulls off rusted budd lugs.
I realize this is an older comment so im sorry to barge in. I own a small fleet (6) of tanker trucks and some of my tankers are old budd wheels. To be able to do them on the side of the road without bringing out air would be a big help. Was running the dcf899h and it dis pretty good. Would this be a big improvement?
@nevinbontrager8828 a beyond massive improvement. I still have my 899 and use it daily. I ONLY use this gun for my budd lugs. You can put one on with a 1in impact & and this thing will pull it off on its lowest setting easily
@justinmartin8887 well, *raises hand* when you need a very specific trailer and they are custom built and one comes up for sale and you need it, you buy it! 3 of mine are budds and 3 are hub pilot.
It's like Crocodile Dundee with impacts. DeWalt is saying to Milwaukee "That's not an impact" and pulls out the 961 "This in an impact" Can't wait for the 3/4" drive version.
The DCF900 does everything I need in a ½” impact when i need it over a mid tq. I’m going to wait until the ¾” of this beast comes out, should fit that purpose perfectky
I can't believe how many times I have rewatched this video so far, I get a huge smile every time it hits VTEC! Will be interesting to see if this technology will be implemented in their smaller impacts going forward. Would also be interesting to see if the DCF961 can be modded with the 3/4" anvil and nose cone when DCF964 (maybe) parts become available. Shame you didn't slap on the 15ah Flexvolt for the lolz. Thanks as always TTC!
Doing salvage work and field repair of rusty equipment are where the big guns shine. If you do that stuff you know exactly why more power is better, and if you manage to wear out sockets you did more than enough work to buy replacements. Much love for my DCF900 (the prices just dropped on Amazon, gotta love new models displacing less-new!) but by Q4 2024 there should be something with sufficient megabeans to justify an addition. SIDE HANDLES (not short ones) would be a very good idea to control increasingly powerful tools. Ya can always unscrew them but having the option would be quite handy on both impacts and drills. It would be a safety upgrade as well and dirt cheap too.
15:23 The most likely reason those impacts couldn't remove the nut from that u bolt is because the long bolt acts like a torque stick. The bolt flexes and rebounds with each impact, which keeps the impact from making the incremental progress with each hit. I had the same thing happen on some rusty u-bolts I was taking off. I have the dcf899 and it would only loosen them just a little bit until it would stall. Once I went to loosen them with the ratchet I would estimate it took, at most, 100 ft lbs to rotate each nut what should have been well within the capability of the impact.
@TorqueTestChannel there aren't that many I don't think...right? The only common, exceptionally long bolts I can think of are leaf spring bolts...and maybe truck bed bolts. What else can you think of?
@@jokly1264 A arm and upper/lower control arm through bolts. Any crank bolt operates this way, especially if the rotating assembly isn't stopped with a breaker bar or bolt. Even some rear pinions act like this when trying to remove a pinion nut, I've had the DCF900 do absolutely nothing to a pinion nut. Cylinder head bolts, especially on diesels. Also seeing the difference in difficulty removing an axle nut vs a German rear axle bolt.
For that sort of thing I use an epicyclic manual torque multipler. However it could be a one-hander if the nut could be manually preloaded with an INLINE ratchet and long bar to take up the slack then the impact applied to the assembly. Too bad I've not seen such a tool but it would be highly specialized. Like my big rig mechanic bro I don't hesitate to use a torch or 6" zip disc to snip sticking U-bolts (and shock absorber bolts on the NON-HYDRAULIC side of the shock). I learned in a 1970s salvage yard never to cut the fluid end of a shock unless you like fire up close by surprise.
I have the DCF899. I was going to get the 900, but with my best Tim Taylor grunt, I’m ordering the 961. As a diesel tech, I’ll find a daily use for it 🤣
I was also planning on going from 899 to the 900, but I think I’ll keep the 899 for “light work” and 961 for when you need it (farm/construction equip tech)
@@JoshsJettas I did exactly this, have had the 899 for years, bought the 900 but before using it caught wind of the 961 from the 'Project Ludicrous' video. Took the 900 back and put my name down for a 961 at my local. Got it this week, the 899 lost a battle with some LCA bolts on the racecar, they don't stand a chance now!
Now we just need Makita to come out of nowhere with an XGT model that can perform the same but somehow manage a sub-5.0 wrist-breaking score... I believe in you, Makita.
@@PhillyFixed they have about the same max torque, similar price (although makita is much cheaper in the rest of the world), similar size and weight... In the end those are really small differences that get added up. Also makita was not tested with their best battery unlike DeWalt.
I just got the 2967, and it's a beast. But I still use the gen 2 mid torque for 95% of what I do at the shop just due to the size and weight. The DCF901 would sit in my toolbox for a rainy day use like my 3/4 XGT does.
I've moved industrial bakery machinery that had 100's of 1 inch nuts on threaded rod, and 1000's of 3/4 inch bolts. If I had to do one of those projects again i'd be buying 2 to 4 of those and batteries to go all day.
I’ll never forget the look on my father in law’s face when he got his gen 1 Milwaukee HT. We stuck it on a lug that had fine threads and was painted over on his old tractor. Probably a 26mm lug nut and it broke loose in less than 3 seconds. Can’t imagine this thing cranking on something
I’ve had the dewalt 1/2 compact for about a year and that has done 99% of things on my truck for me. That being said, i have an 899 that needs retirement. I think this monster would fill those shoes well.
I work on 18 wheelers and recently upgraded from the DCF900 to this 961 and boy oh boy lemme tell you, thiss thingg is a monsteerrrrrr 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 thingg getss me out off jamsss when normally i have to heat bolts up too loose up, this thingg hass camee in clutchhh 🔥🔥🔥💪💪💪 -just to add to itt, it blew off the water my coworker's 1inch milwaukee 🔥🔥💪💪
15:09 - That was exactly like me on my van earlier this year. Previous owner put a junkyard rim there after an accident and GROSSLY overtightened it. Broke TWO of my impacts before resorting to that WITH heat.
My DeWALT DCF899 already had a broken detent pin anvil so the first torque wrench that failed was the 1/2” Chicago Electric 92349. I bought it many years ago for removing a motorcycle countershaft sprocket using the bike’s own 12v battery and it’s only been used a couple times since on roadside tire changes. It’s one of those that builds up a ton of speed for each hit. After impotently banging away at the lug nuts for way too long it completely seized. The LED would still come on so it wasn’t the fuse. Definitely smelled like something had burned up. The second was a brand-new DeWALT Atomic 20V Max brushless impact driver with a brand-new Ryobi “impact rated” 1/2” socket adapter. Instantly snapped the adapter… like, maybe even the first hit. Perhaps that’s which so many bit sets for impact drivers leave out the 1/2” size. Since it was brand new I exchanged it but I don’t know what the 1/2” adapter will ever be useful for if it just snaps on the kinds of things you’d use a 1/2” impact on. Only after both of those failed did I resort to what you see at 15:09 and the lug nuts still weren’t budging… and I’m a big boi too. Ultimately I had to break out the torch and squelch repeatedly with penetrant, which worked, but neatly sheared off the threads on a few of the lugs and still required bouncing up and down on a breaker bar. The sheared threads looked like a perfectly formed spring that just fell right out of the damaged lug nuts. I couldn’t believe it was just grossly overtightened and not permanently rusted together. Since then I got a Craftsman CMCF940 and gave it to a friend once I repaired the DCF899 (badge variants of the exact same impact). After all, he’s the one who gave me this van after a tornado crushed my car so I definitely owe him. Using my DeWALT DCS438 cut off tool I turned the Chicago Electric 92349 blow molded case into a case for my friend’s CMCF940. With the same modifications it also fit my DCF899 since they were essentially twins. So now I’m sitting here with my newly-repaired decade-old DCF899 and seeing monsters like the DCF900, M18 2967, and DCF961. I doubt even my DCF899 could’ve handled that which might help me rationalize getting one of those. “Never again” will I precariously bounce on the breaker bar with all my weight and risk breaking my neck!
I recently got the 1" pistol grip milwaukee and have been really happy with it. I didnt intend to take every semi wheel off with it but its just so much more convenient than searching the shop for one of the big air impacts and dragging out a hose. U-bolts are almost taylor made to defeat impacts, they just twist and spring back and the nut never moves.
Then the Makita XGT 3/4" is for you. So much cheaper than the 1" Milwaukee and can perform at max all the time with the cheapest battery (lightweight and agile in addition), consistently max performance from 4 bars down to 1. No need to run out and buy the newest battery and hope "maybe now it can do it" and the $2,000 Waukee fans spent on other high performance batteries is somehow always forgotten when it is time to point out how expensive the Makita is, nor the fact that Makita batteries perform as well after 10 years, adding to the savings. Milwaukee has by far the most expensive lineup in total cost, anyone denying it need heavier medication.
I think you’re spot on when you say it stays in the bottom draw until all the other impacts can’t un-stuck something. I’ve experienced the exact same phenomena
Dewalt does not just next gen tools every year like red does…dewalt makes tools that outperform the competitors for years before they can catch up, and sometimes they still can’t. Flexvolt tools are 6-7 yrs old, came out first, and still outperform all tools ( except the recip) Milwaukee laughed and said you don’t need 60v tools , but never matched what they did either. Then they developed 72v tools not backwards compatible to beat dewalt. Then they developed 36v ( 2/18v ) tools to compete…. As a Builder/ Framer I guarantee you nothing is better then Dewalt Flexvolt for Construction. And most of their 20v max tools equal or are better than any other company out there.
The 900 I bough at the start of the year is already more then enough for me with the 6ah batteries I’m not removing crank bolts or anything. I use dewalt for work because they make some nice 1/4 impact drivers so I use them at home to keep battery buying easier. I’m not sure you can go wrong with red or yellow though these days both make crazy stuff.
Hey TTC, Starting at 4:04 when you begin to describe the first test you’re about to do (the working torque test), you stated “all tools with their 5 amp-hour battery”, referring to the results displayed on the graph to immediately follow. But the torque value listed on the graph for the 2967 is 718 ft-lbs. Correct me If I’m wrong, but I believe you obtained that value with the XC 6.0 FORGE battery in your video on 10/6/2023, and NOT with the standard XC 5.0, therefore not comparing the results with the standard 5 amp-hour battery offering across the 3 models displayed. To further verify this, the 718 value was shown again when you upgraded the batteries of the 3 models, and ran the same test starting at 5:34. I believe the value obtained with the 2967 using the standard XC 5.0 was actually 646 ft-lbs and not 718 ft-lbs. Just an observation I thought I would share! Excellent channel you guys, great work!
I would love to see a "for science episode" where you run 3 high cca lead acid 6v batteries to some of these guns and see what they can do with essentially unlimited discharge potential (assuming the voltage drop doesn't negate any gains that could be achieved from higher currents)
I own a DCF900 and it's an animal, I won't be upgrading to the 961, however, my apprentice just got the 961 and MAN IT IS SICK! She's a chunker but my god is it an animal. If I didn't have a 900, I'd buy the 961. The extra weight can suck, but there's something manly about having that 961.
SShould I buy this? Yes. The range in my shop varies greatly. My ARO 1" isn't getting it done cause its old. My last high torque was stolen. I have dewalt tools. This is what I need. Literally perfect for me.
Thanks to my Mac dealer I have the dcf961 as my loaner while my dcf900 is getting repaired. Oh boy this things feels like it’s gonna break my torque stick and my wrist one handing this puppy is like putting on a show definitely a monster!!
I have a dcf 900 but may upgrade with my Mac dealer. Does the dcf961 size cause any clearance issues for you working around cars? I'm also considering the new Milwaukee for its smaller size and weight.
@@JustCuriousAE honestly I don’t use it for to much I have a 3/8 and 1/2 mid torque I use as well, but when it comes to tough bolts it’s definitely something I’ll gravitate towards. Not the best for mobility in my opinion it’s really on there for stubborn bolts and that’s about it because of how heavy it is and how odd shaped the head is, it’s very top heavy
@hallowedmellon6235 Thank you for your quick response. I have the dcf 850, 903, 923, 891 and all are excellent for certain jobs, used almost everday but sometimes the 900 just gets beaten by some stupid lug nuts or rusted bolts! My work colleagues Snapon 9050 just seems to perform better and is more compact. Malwakee maybe a better choice?
Great work as always. I appreciate your explanation at the end of why you would or wouldn't want this impact. So many reviewers just gush over every product and with TTC I feel like we get not only an honest review but of course data to back up what you are saying.
as a diesel mechanic i am constantly running into stuck lugs and other bolts i own a dc899 and the dc961 love my good old trusty 899 occationally i will grab my coworkers 2967 but if they see me pull out the 961 people hide in the shop i cant say how meny sockets it has turned into shrapnel i lost count
I like it, but honestly I will wait for the 3/4 drive model. I think we're reaching the limitations of what half inch stuff even needs to be or can be in terms of socket life.
yes this honestly should be the last increase in torque for 1/2 anvils all future models should just work on reducing size, vibration, and weight while keeping torque the same
I have both the older 899 dewalt high torque as well as the gen 2 milwaukee and honest both of them sit in the drawer in favor of the 1/2 inch milwaukee mid torque. The other's only come out when that mid torque can't break something loose and that's maybe just 10% of the time if that. They're all good tools, just kind of a dumbell. @@crusty5059
The anvil? What about the poor sockets being abused by that thing in 1/2” you’re going to be going through those things like candy with this level of power.
They made the anvil steel to be extra durable. The softer metal from your sockets on the other hand. Ya your socket rep is going to black list you eventually.
That's insane that they can develop a high torque to have boost like that! I have the dcf900 and I couldn't be happier with it. It's made my hobby of working on my truck a breeze when I have any rusted bolts to take off! I can't imagine what the dcf 961 is like! Great channel and great video!
I bought this last November, which was the soonest I could, and this thing hasn't struggled to undo anything I've thrown this at. I'm still in awe when this thing starts hammering away.
@@TorqueTestChannel Of course beans can be stored in many ways. My CO2 bean can works well (I run long hose to give it time to expand) and for shorter duration my high pressure nitrogen bean can is nice too. Hydraulic tools go FAR beyond pneumatics but they are not cheap. Cordless tools go where corded and pneumatics do not or are impractical so I solve it by owning all three (can't find an excuse to buy a hydraulic unit unless it turns up cheap at auction).
The best part of these massively increasing specs on impact wrenches is not that the regular consumer can now get a high torque that will let you change wheels on a gargantuan mining dump truck, but that you can do your normal day-to-day work with a much smaller, lighter compact impact that does what a big bulky high torque from a decade ago would.
Most all of my tools are Yellow , I used to run Milwaukee tools but after many failures and short life span We switched to DeWalt, I had a Milwaukee 3/8" ratchet which was working good until one day it stopped going round and round. it was supposed to have a 5 yr warranty on it, so I sent it in for service after 1 1/2 years. they would not cover my 3/8" Ratchet because the little piece of tape with the Serial number on it was worn and they couldn't read it, I sent them a copy of my Receipt from Home Depot where I bought it but they said without that worthless little tape serial number they couldn't prove it was the same Tool. well that ended my FOLLOWING OF MILWAUKEE TOOLS. IF that warranty is only worth that little piece of clear tape with a serial number on it then their tools are worthless to me.
WOW! What a showdown, the one we've been waiting for! Impressive numbers by all no doubt. That Dewalt DCF961 is calling my name, even if i still will be using my Milwaukee 2967-20 on the regular. Thanks for the great upload, keep up the good work TTC!
For milling out 1/2 inch sockets... just buy 1/2-3/4 adapters in bulk and adapt all your 3/4's down, until the 3/4 comes out? Or just have the tool truck keep replacing them?
Time is money,, and this is exactly what I need!! I am a heavy equipment field mechanic, working on large earth moving equipment!!(Im Ordering right now, great video)
Awesome to see this review! have to get this over the 900 because the purpose you described was exactly what i need it for. I use my 12v 3/8s for everything but sometimes theres something more than the 250ftlbs it can deliver so having a one-stop "This mf is coming off or its getting melted off" tool is all I need.
I would like to know yours opinion about 1/2 vs 3/4 or even 1" in case of heavy machinery like in my case sem truck. I want to buy something to lose and tighten lug nuts in case of flat tire and im wondering....like 1600 nm is crazy force, can even small 1/2 drive shaft hold it in long term? And of course most of the "big" semi sockets are in 3/4 or 1" so in case of 1/2 you have to use some reduction socket to fit. I simply cannot believe that 1/2 impact is sustainable to long term force of 1600 nm +. It sounds ridiculous to me but on the other hand i know nothing about this topic. Appreciate any kind of meaningfull answer here. Thanks
To start, love your output, the right balance of humor and fact! I switched from a "yellow, to red", in the form of a basic pre lithium and tired Dewalt, to an M18 Fuel drill kit with the 1/4 impact a couple of years ago, massive improvement, as you would expect. Then added the 4.5 grinder and Hacksawzall, both fantastic additions when mains power is restricted. Then, unless money is no object, you've no option but to stay with the "platform" that you have chosen. However, I don't see anything on the horizon that is going to convert me from my air powered 1/2 and 3/4 impacts. I work on a lot of older Land Rovers here in the UK, so access and power to weigh ratio is essential. For cost and versatility, I love my Milwaukee, but when I need to undo the stuff that has had an hard life, it's air all the way!
Omg That dewalt is a monster After 5 seconds it Ramps Up into a Turbo Mode like a V8 With Dual Turbos Spooling and just Blows the competition away 6:40 @Torque Test Channel
What would happen if you switched the positive and negative wires on the motor ? Would it just run backwards to what you have the switch set for or could it possibly confuse it and put out more power being the switch is set to forward but the motor. running reverse
2:11 yeah. I've watched the 961 brake 2700 ft lbs on another channel. The 961 is massive not a daily use tool but I have yet to find a bolt it wouldn't brake... loosing or literally braking 1.5' bolts.
That guy's channel is at the risk of becoming useless. Says the 2967 takes of 2,500 ft-lbs or basically TWICE that of what he's done with the gen 2. Bought the 2967 2 weeks ago and stalled it out on a front loader bucket, not gunna move. So used a 1" ratchet and a 5ft bar to take it off, the bolt was not no 2500 ft-lbs tight. My scrawny butt is not pushing forward with 500 lbs. Get real
@@MustangAficionado Shop Tool Reviews' use of an electronic Hytorc torque tool (of questionable accuracy) on clean, lubed fine thread bolts that gets impacted for 10 seconds to get the nut moving then another as many seconds as needed to finish loosening, and consider that a fastener needs less power to loosen than it does to tighten, his tests are basically an exaggerated rendition of the method manufacturers use to get their often dubious "nut busting" numbers.
@@stlyns I feel that and that's why I've watched them. But it seems like in the past his tests matches brand claims, and now with the largest bolts everything is 1.5-2X brand claims all of a sudden? Like local said above, if Milwaukee could come up with 2500 themselves in any way they sure would put it on the damn box.
What I'm noticing, other than the bonkers power of the new Dewalt impacts, is they have really upgraded their internals and the plastic clamshell covers. They have always made rugged tools, but rough around the edges and prone to small failures. My workmates and I all have multiple DCF887 impact drivers, and despite online reviews showing them spewing smoke, these things are by far the most reliable and tough impacts in class from my experience. I have a lot of criticism for Dewalt, but apart from triggers getting glitchy which happens to all impacts I've seen, they just keep going. And we seriously abuse them. They get dropped, thrown, they drive so many big fasteners that they are too hot to touch, we use them to predrill an entire house lot of of 16mm thick fibre cement weatherboards on an almost weekly basis, they often drive large concrete bolts, and nobody I work with has had one die. Some of them are 6 or 7 years old and look absolutely terrible. I'm a big Makita fan and their impacts seem to die more often, and don't get me started on the Milwaukees, nothing red is reliable for some reason.
@@RedneckRoyalty DCF900 already destroys sockets. It doesn't "bust the socket", it eventually reams out the square drive hole. This thing will do that even faster.
@@RedneckRoyalty were you not watching this video? They’ve already shown them. They are completely mushroomed and that’s just from the testing not every day use. You guys really do cherry pick information from this channel. And most of the people completely ignored the fact that he said, if you were looking for 1/2” impact for your every day work, this is not a replacement for that. That this tool would sit in your bottom drawer for the most part. But so many people just get fixated on one thing. Is it impressive? Absolutely and I love the VTEC. This can be applied to so many other tools so it’s a win for DeWalt regardless when it comes to engineering. But as far as a every day, use for. 1/2” impact wrench no. This should’ve been a three-quarter. This tool is completely unpractical for every day use as a 1/2”. The best Tool is the most productive tool, and this is not the most productive tool because of size wait how jarring it is and how it destroy’s sockets.
this thing is nuts, but i still went with the 2967 even though most of my tools are dewalt because this thing is just too big and heavy. if this drops in 3/4", i'll get that model instead. i feel that if you're pushing this much torque with vibrations this violent, you'll destroy more impact sockets than you'll remove bolts
got it, love it, working in Truck service and own my own mobile service for Semitrucks, and it lot easier to grab this beast than moving car and dragging hoses for big 1" impact..hope dewalt will finally spit out the 3/4 and 1", bcs the 1/2 is over its socket limits, broke 2 snap-on 33mm sockets (cracked bottom to top) and few non branded...as always keep up to good work...
In 2012 I spent thousands literally, to run an Ingersol Rand air 1 inch anvil for my semi truck. This thing has more torque by 50lbs, mine needed so much air I needed a $300 hose just to run it. How many wheels could you pull on/off with one battery? (What amp/hr batteries do you use)
@@adamfrbs9259 and not to mention cost of a good compressor to be able to put the air out.. I have multiple of batteries, from 5amp to 10am, mostly using 6am and 8 amp with it, and i get about 4 wheels (sets) off and on on one bat. with no problems, but over time i got a system in, i take a 1 to 2 wheels off and change battery for tightening and than removal of the other 2 wheels, and it depends on how everything goes, and how tight it is i tight it with the same bat. or swap it just to be sure i get the most power for tightening it, before using a torque ranch... and sometimes i found out if i can't remove a nut with my 1/2" 33mm it sometime works top put a 1" adapter and use my 33mm from air impact, and to be honest so far I've been lucky enough to remove almost everything with it, so far only twice that i had to grab a air 1" gun, and it took for ever even with that one... hope that helped..
@@adamfrbs9259 I have multiple battery but with this gun i use 6 to 10 amp, and usually itll get me through 4 wheel (40 nuts) off and back on, but i did that on the beginning now i tend to change bat. after 2 wheels off and back on... and noticed that sometime on the stubborn bolts it works out good for me to grab a 1" adapter and socket from my 1" air impact if the regular 1/2" just not getting it...
@adamfrbs9259 you don't need 15amp, no extra benefit in power just longer run time, and to big and bulky, you'll get the same power from a 6amp if not more since its using bigger cells...and the price is just ridiculous...
I'm interested in the reasoning behind the "VTEC" feature. Is it to save battery life, protect your wrists, stop you from immediately snapping off every bolt, or stop the massive amps from roasting the electronics? I'm guessing it has something to do with the last one, and probably protecting the battery.
I bought this to replace my snapon 9080. I have been using dewalt impacts instead of the tool trucks for the last few years. The snapon stays in the drawer until i come across something crazy tight. My most used is the dewalt mid torque and 99% of the time its all i need. Grabbed this stupid heavy dewalt today to use on an on car bearing puller. I knew dewalt had stepped up their game but holy hell this thing is powerful. Its violent to hold and you shouldcuse a socket you can warranty. My snapon served me well but this dcf961 is obviously a stronger impact.
I own the 961 it's an absolute animal and use it regularly as a heavy equipment mechanic, it removes things that I used to have to get the 3/4 drive or 1 inch drive I can't recommend it it more, it's awesome
At what point are we going to see strength of materials become a limiting factor in the socket assembly itself? How much torque CAN you put on a piece of 1/2" square steel?
I'm not buying that DCF961 until they release it with a 3/4 or 1" anvil. I already have the DCF900, for me the increase in size and price of the 961 isn't justified by the relatively slight increase in performance over the 900. I'm waiting for Dewalt to release something that i can use on 9 yard bucket blade bolts for our Hitachi wheel loaders, that 961 would eat too many sockets on a 1/2 anvil. Frustrating as hell to hear we might have to wait another year to get it, dumb decision on Dewalt's part
My sentiments exactly. I bought the DCF 900 earlier this year and couldn’t be happier with it. This seemed like just a marketing ploy to crap on team red rather than something that made sense and should have been a 3/4”. Why release the DCF900 at all if you had this to release about a year later?
Personally I think the amount of vibrations makes it unusable for me as a professional mechanic. I don’t want carpal tunnel syndrome. I’d appreciate if they toned the power down a bit to save my sockets and my hands.
I wonder if the 15 second test would get a higher result if you released the trigger and restarted at the 8 second point. Does the trigger being released immediately reset the vtec yo timer?
Should be perfect for tightening down intake plenums!? Just got mine yesterday and 'speechless' is the best word that describes me! Way beyond what I ever thought cordless 1/2in. guns could do. But now they can. 💯
Small farm and auto use my DCF899 has failed many times over the last year to loosen bolts (cultivator/disc bolts, suspension u-bolts, etc). So while I really like the 899, this new unit would be a nice upgrade. I like the 2 stage process. Like a turbo mode you can't accidentally use when not needed.
Your summary at the end really fit what my impressions about it were. Its very impressive, but its such a chonker i would hate to have to use it every day if I was working at a tire shop or something. With some mild tendinitis even my 2767 is kind of miserable to use sometimes when my elbow is acting up, has me kind of excited when its due for retirement so I can enjoy the weight savings of the 2967.
Those 1/2" high torque wars... wow, impressive! Honestly, too big for that 1/2" anvil.. I'd ruin my impact sockets with this.. lol. A 3/4" anvil seems a perfect fit for this beast, imho. The Milwaukee 1/2" 2967, 3rd gen.. love the shorter length & more compact size for those general automotive applications. Kudos DeWalt.. 👏👏
The DCF900 and the new M18 are also too much for the 1/2" anvil. If you research, you'll see plenty of people complaining about the DCF900 destroying their sockets. Since the new M18 is more powerful than the 900, same thing is gonna happen. And this one is just stupid. I might end up buying one because, why not, but it's ridiculous.
Need to build a timer into this new Dewalt booster... at 9 seconds its delivered about all it's going to deliver, while the others need 15+ seconds to reach the same point. So you can stop and give your wrist a rest after 10 seconds vs. hanging on for maximum wrist wrenching with the rest.
It's pretty much available everywhere now! amzn.to/3sDXCXh
So DeWalt beat out Milwaukee then right.
Not Sweden/Germany. Not even on Dewalts Swedish website :(
@@jonaslagerqvist5306 no I know DeWalt is American.
@@johnathangreay987sorry, forgot that "everywhere" is only USA. My bad
@@jonaslagerqvist5306 you do know that Germany and Sweden are European countrys right?
Yo I didn't know Honda was collaborating with DeWalt
We’re making them at the greensburg factory lmao 😂😂 would be funny tho
They make so many things I wouldn't be surprised
But when it kicks in, yo!
Yes had. New ACURA INTEGRA GSR BACK in 1992 that V-TEC was AWESOME and now I NEED THAT NEW XR 961 for some fond memories to start
Gotta have something to get their harmonic balancer bolts loose 😂
I love the back and forth between the brands. The 2967 will be more than the majority need already, but DeWalt waited for it to be released so they could drop this. Lol.
I think Milwaukee had it right when they opted to decrease size instead of increasing power (much). The DCF961 is a beast, but putting a 1/2" anvil on it is an odd decision. It seems more reasonable to keep the power at DCF900/2967 levels for 1/2" and just make the tool as small as possible, moving up to 3/4" if you need more power.
@@dsgamecube They increased power substantially. The DCF900 was the undisputed high torque king, crushing the previous M18, and the new one bests the 900 pretty handily.
@@puterg0d i have a dcf900 i dont know many things that need more uga dugg than what it can provide.
@@jordanhensley5713 a 2010 Chevy 2500 plowtrucks Ubolts lol. Literally Tue dfc900 couldn't brake them . My 961 didn't even hit turbo and knocked em loose.
I nearly broke my DCF900 putting anchors in terrain for a swing set (jammed up the anvil somehow after a 20 second pull, eventually got it free just cycling the tool no load) - will know seasonal tire change time if it got messed up for a warranty claim. Hopefully the DCF961's anvil doesn't have this problem, however at this point I'll only go for it if my DCF900 breaks.
TTC delivering as always.
Just so glad that tool companies like Milwaukee that seemed like they were the king at just about everything are really starting to get a run for their money. For some time it seemed like Dewalt was really starting to fall behind. Glad to see them make some strong efforts to come back, especially given im already vested in the Dewalt battey system and only have my feet wet in the Milwaukee M12 system.
Competition is always healthy for consumers like ourselves. It forces companies to build better and better products at cheaper prices rather than getting complacent due to lack of competition.
Channels like TTC and Project Farm puts their products under the spot light. I'm sure all the execs are watching these videos.
Thanks TTC.
Agreed, with these new tools stemming from the torque arms race I'm rarely needing to reach for the torch or other implements of unstuckulation for even the worst of stuff I see. However, I fully expect and can't wait for government to somehow shoehorn it's way in, in the name of 'consumer wrist safety' of course, and to double the price of tools for less than half the performance.
@@SomeoneStoleMyHandle Not killing you and still having decent power aren't necessarily mutually exclusive; I really like how the aircat guns don't destroy the operator, at least the ones I've used, at least the hand ON the gun. The one holding the wrench is a total write-off, just order a new one before you start. A short time with an IR was enough for me, my wrist still hurts thinking about that experience.
Imy jaw droppleed again on yet anogher dewalt shocker unbeleivable
As for dewalt midtorque its clearly only an overclocked old model. I cant get over how lightweight and feeble it feels, all that performance in such a design cannot be good for it and the extreme rattling and kickbacks proves that point. The hightorque feels more confident in the hand but still its not much different from the older models, so again, overclocked old tech.
I fear these new tools are going to suffer in the reliability and longevity department, we as a society are starting to get accustomed to replacing our stuff sooner and sooner and won't even realize it
I have a DCF899. A friend asked me "did you buy it yet" when this video first came out. I told him "No. I don't NEED that! My DCF899 hasn't failed me yet. When I come across something it can't bust free, I'll buy one." That happened last week. Now I have a DCF961, lol. I also bought the DCF891 mid-torque to replace the DCF899 - as my "daily 1/2"". When the 891 can't do it, the 961 will.
I have a dcf899 that I used for years as a mechanic. I would take off 33mm truck lugnuts with it that were torqued to 500ft lbs. If my 899 can take off a truck lugnut I dont need anymore then that. I used a Milwuakee 12v stubby to take the f350 lugnuts loose that were torqued to 165ft lbs. these two were a perfect combo of power when you need it and lightweight when you want it.
I've had the DCF891 a few days now and love it. Using it with the 5a Powerstack. Also have the Hercules 1200ft/lb High Torque impact. I don't work on diesel or really heavy duty stuff, so these two tools are a good combination for me
I'm in this same boat. i have an 891 at work, and bought a personal one for my truck. but they didn't have enough beans for the big work trucks. so i got a 900b as the 961 wasn't available yet. now i wish i didn't have the 900b, because I'd have already bought the 961. i lay hands on it every time I'm at the tool shop. it is a beast. soon, soon.
DeWalt making a statement with the updated tech. Can't wait to see how much further we can take cordless tools in the next few years.
This thing is already going to break sockets and bolts.
@@ChuckBeefOG yup we're way past the strength of a lot of fasteners with these tools. We were past that point five years ago if the tool operator didn't have any finesse. Nowadays it's almost too easy to rip a stud in half on accident.
some idiots gonna use regular cheap sockets and it's going to be shrapnel, it's me i'm probably going to do that. @@ChuckBeefOG
Even harbor freight tools are starting to be better than literally anything available 15 years ago.
Dewalt will make a 60 volt impact for sure and holy cow that will be some fun to see
Turbo AND V-TEC? Must be that new Honda DCF961 Type-R.
Meh. Turbo VTEC isn't real VTEC. Yo.
@jsplasha it's like reverse vtech tbh. Instead of ringing out the engine it pulls like a V8 down low. Makes 2-4k rpm a blast.
@@jsplasha V-tec wasnt great anyway, it solved a non existing problem with a complex solution. Only engine i ever had with stuck valve problems and cylinder head rebuilds.
How so? It allowed good fuel economy around town with good performance when getting on it.
Low cam: less air getting in the cyl, less fuel needed.
High cam: more air in, more fuel = more power.
Theres a reason all the performance vtec engines are highly sought after for modding vs the non vtec.
This reminds me of that “PS4 vs Xbox One vs Black and Decker Waffle Maker” video college humor did lol
Cool stuff. Been using my 2767-20 for truck lug nuts for years, and it works great on rusted plow bolts. That said, I’d seriously consider the DCF961 (or its 3/4” brother) for my service truck. Nice to have all the beans when you’re on the side of the road swapping grader tires in traffic.
Do yourself a favor and get the 3/4" for this. I guess the 1/2" version is more of a marketing gimmick. Everyone got 1/2" sockets at home so sales will be at lot higher.
Wow, That new DCF961 is a power house! You mentioned cordless having its drawbacks, but I don't plan on dragging around no hose, 😂 Great testing TTC!
My air hose doesn't reach into salvage yards where I can't take a service truck and the cost of (good) mobile air compressor new is more than a VERY nice loadout of modern cordless. Except for sand blasting and needle scaling I barely use air any more.
As a fleet mechanic, i absolutely love the dcf961. Its an animal. Im a team yellow guy and I cant explain how this thing easily pulls off rusted budd lugs.
I realize this is an older comment so im sorry to barge in. I own a small fleet (6) of tanker trucks and some of my tankers are old budd wheels. To be able to do them on the side of the road without bringing out air would be a big help. Was running the dcf899h and it dis pretty good. Would this be a big improvement?
@nevinbontrager8828 a beyond massive improvement. I still have my 899 and use it daily. I ONLY use this gun for my budd lugs. You can put one on with a 1in impact & and this thing will pull it off on its lowest setting easily
@@codyjones111 cool! Thanks!
Who the heck still uses buds?
@justinmartin8887 well, *raises hand* when you need a very specific trailer and they are custom built and one comes up for sale and you need it, you buy it! 3 of mine are budds and 3 are hub pilot.
It's like Crocodile Dundee with impacts. DeWalt is saying to Milwaukee "That's not an impact" and pulls out the 961 "This in an impact" Can't wait for the 3/4" drive version.
The DCF900 does everything I need in a ½” impact when i need it over a mid tq. I’m going to wait until the ¾” of this beast comes out, should fit that purpose perfectky
The DCF900 has such high low load speeds, which makes me grab it more.
I've been holding off on the dcf900 because I've been waiting for a 3/4 variant
I can't believe how many times I have rewatched this video so far, I get a huge smile every time it hits VTEC! Will be interesting to see if this technology will be implemented in their smaller impacts going forward. Would also be interesting to see if the DCF961 can be modded with the 3/4" anvil and nose cone when DCF964 (maybe) parts become available. Shame you didn't slap on the 15ah Flexvolt for the lolz. Thanks as always TTC!
Bravo Dewalt 👏, I am a Milwaukee guy, but man, I like it when I see another company starts a fire in the competition 👌🔥
Doing salvage work and field repair of rusty equipment are where the big guns shine. If you do that stuff you know exactly why more power is better, and if you manage to wear out sockets you did more than enough work to buy replacements. Much love for my DCF900 (the prices just dropped on Amazon, gotta love new models displacing less-new!) but by Q4 2024 there should be something with sufficient megabeans to justify an addition.
SIDE HANDLES (not short ones) would be a very good idea to control increasingly powerful tools. Ya can always unscrew them but having the option would be quite handy on both impacts and drills. It would be a safety upgrade as well and dirt cheap too.
15:23 The most likely reason those impacts couldn't remove the nut from that u bolt is because the long bolt acts like a torque stick. The bolt flexes and rebounds with each impact, which keeps the impact from making the incremental progress with each hit.
I had the same thing happen on some rusty u-bolts I was taking off. I have the dcf899 and it would only loosen them just a little bit until it would stall. Once I went to loosen them with the ratchet I would estimate it took, at most, 100 ft lbs to rotate each nut what should have been well within the capability of the impact.
For sure, there's instances like that all over vehicles sometimes
@TorqueTestChannel there aren't that many I don't think...right? The only common, exceptionally long bolts I can think of are leaf spring bolts...and maybe truck bed bolts. What else can you think of?
@@jokly1264 A arm and upper/lower control arm through bolts. Any crank bolt operates this way, especially if the rotating assembly isn't stopped with a breaker bar or bolt. Even some rear pinions act like this when trying to remove a pinion nut, I've had the DCF900 do absolutely nothing to a pinion nut. Cylinder head bolts, especially on diesels. Also seeing the difference in difficulty removing an axle nut vs a German rear axle bolt.
For that sort of thing I use an epicyclic manual torque multipler. However it could be a one-hander if the nut could be manually preloaded with an INLINE ratchet and long bar to take up the slack then the impact applied to the assembly. Too bad I've not seen such a tool but it would be highly specialized. Like my big rig mechanic bro I don't hesitate to use a torch or 6" zip disc to snip sticking U-bolts (and shock absorber bolts on the NON-HYDRAULIC side of the shock). I learned in a 1970s salvage yard never to cut the fluid end of a shock unless you like fire up close by surprise.
I have the DCF899. I was going to get the 900, but with my best Tim Taylor grunt, I’m ordering the 961. As a diesel tech, I’ll find a daily use for it 🤣
I was also planning on going from 899 to the 900, but I think I’ll keep the 899 for “light work” and 961 for when you need it (farm/construction equip tech)
@@JoshsJettas I did exactly this, have had the 899 for years, bought the 900 but before using it caught wind of the 961 from the 'Project Ludicrous' video. Took the 900 back and put my name down for a 961 at my local. Got it this week, the 899 lost a battle with some LCA bolts on the racecar, they don't stand a chance now!
New King 👑. That dewalt is a beast!
Now we just need Makita to come out of nowhere with an XGT model that can perform the same but somehow manage a sub-5.0 wrist-breaking score... I believe in you, Makita.
The Makita fanboy has entered the chat now we just need tools and stuff😂
Doesn't the xgt 3/4 already do that?
@@riba2233 not quite, per the rankings at the end.
@@PhillyFixed they have about the same max torque, similar price (although makita is much cheaper in the rest of the world), similar size and weight... In the end those are really small differences that get added up. Also makita was not tested with their best battery unlike DeWalt.
Yes, need provide TTC with that latest bl4040f
I just got the 2967, and it's a beast. But I still use the gen 2 mid torque for 95% of what I do at the shop just due to the size and weight. The DCF901 would sit in my toolbox for a rainy day use like my 3/4 XGT does.
I've moved industrial bakery machinery that had 100's of 1 inch nuts on threaded rod, and 1000's of 3/4 inch bolts. If I had to do one of those projects again i'd be buying 2 to 4 of those and batteries to go all day.
I’ll never forget the look on my father in law’s face when he got his gen 1 Milwaukee HT. We stuck it on a lug that had fine threads and was painted over on his old tractor. Probably a 26mm lug nut and it broke loose in less than 3 seconds. Can’t imagine this thing cranking on something
YES!! I've wanted to see the dcf961 since you first talked about it!
I’ve had the dewalt 1/2 compact for about a year and that has done 99% of things on my truck for me. That being said, i have an 899 that needs retirement. I think this monster would fill those shoes well.
The 964N 3/4" inch is out. In the UK and Ireland with 2584NM nut busting torque at 349.99 pounds , or $444.50 USD
FFS DeWalt, for the love of god, release something with a 3/4" anvil so we can actually use this torque
Just spray paint an adapter matte black, so it becomes impact rated 😂
I work on 18 wheelers and recently upgraded from the DCF900 to this 961 and boy oh boy lemme tell you, thiss thingg is a monsteerrrrrr 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 thingg getss me out off jamsss when normally i have to heat bolts up too loose up, this thingg hass camee in clutchhh 🔥🔥🔥💪💪💪
-just to add to itt, it blew off the water my coworker's 1inch milwaukee 🔥🔥💪💪
15:09 - That was exactly like me on my van earlier this year. Previous owner put a junkyard rim there after an accident and GROSSLY overtightened it. Broke TWO of my impacts before resorting to that WITH heat.
My DeWALT DCF899 already had a broken detent pin anvil so the first torque wrench that failed was the 1/2” Chicago Electric 92349. I bought it many years ago for removing a motorcycle countershaft sprocket using the bike’s own 12v battery and it’s only been used a couple times since on roadside tire changes. It’s one of those that builds up a ton of speed for each hit.
After impotently banging away at the lug nuts for way too long it completely seized. The LED would still come on so it wasn’t the fuse. Definitely smelled like something had burned up.
The second was a brand-new DeWALT Atomic 20V Max brushless impact driver with a brand-new Ryobi “impact rated” 1/2” socket adapter. Instantly snapped the adapter… like, maybe even the first hit. Perhaps that’s which so many bit sets for impact drivers leave out the 1/2” size. Since it was brand new I exchanged it but I don’t know what the 1/2” adapter will ever be useful for if it just snaps on the kinds of things you’d use a 1/2” impact on.
Only after both of those failed did I resort to what you see at 15:09 and the lug nuts still weren’t budging… and I’m a big boi too. Ultimately I had to break out the torch and squelch repeatedly with penetrant, which worked, but neatly sheared off the threads on a few of the lugs and still required bouncing up and down on a breaker bar. The sheared threads looked like a perfectly formed spring that just fell right out of the damaged lug nuts. I couldn’t believe it was just grossly overtightened and not permanently rusted together.
Since then I got a Craftsman CMCF940 and gave it to a friend once I repaired the DCF899 (badge variants of the exact same impact). After all, he’s the one who gave me this van after a tornado crushed my car so I definitely owe him.
Using my DeWALT DCS438 cut off tool I turned the Chicago Electric 92349 blow molded case into a case for my friend’s CMCF940. With the same modifications it also fit my DCF899 since they were essentially twins.
So now I’m sitting here with my newly-repaired decade-old DCF899 and seeing monsters like the DCF900, M18 2967, and DCF961. I doubt even my DCF899 could’ve handled that which might help me rationalize getting one of those. “Never again” will I precariously bounce on the breaker bar with all my weight and risk breaking my neck!
I recently got the 1" pistol grip milwaukee and have been really happy with it. I didnt intend to take every semi wheel off with it but its just so much more convenient than searching the shop for one of the big air impacts and dragging out a hose. U-bolts are almost taylor made to defeat impacts, they just twist and spring back and the nut never moves.
Then the Makita XGT 3/4" is for you. So much cheaper than the 1" Milwaukee and can perform at max all the time with the cheapest battery (lightweight and agile in addition), consistently max performance from 4 bars down to 1. No need to run out and buy the newest battery and hope "maybe now it can do it" and the $2,000 Waukee fans spent on other high performance batteries is somehow always forgotten when it is time to point out how expensive the Makita is, nor the fact that Makita batteries perform as well after 10 years, adding to the savings. Milwaukee has by far the most expensive lineup in total cost, anyone denying it need heavier medication.
I'm the only yellow supporter at my diesel shop, I gotta get this thing.
Thanks for introducing another thing that almost nobody needs but everybody wants!
You just described half of my possessions
If I was still working on crusher plants, it would fall much closer to "need" for me!
Im buying this and I barely even use the 900.
Went dcf961 route and it’s a beast of an impact and this proves it💯
Dang..... That thing is a beast.
I vote putting the Flex 6.0 stacked battery on it and doing a test run lol, that thing is insane!
I think you’re spot on when you say it stays in the bottom draw until all the other impacts can’t un-stuck something. I’ve experienced the exact same phenomena
Dewalt does not just next gen tools every year like red does…dewalt makes tools that outperform the competitors for years before they can catch up, and sometimes they still can’t.
Flexvolt tools are 6-7 yrs old, came out first, and still outperform all tools ( except the recip) Milwaukee laughed and said you don’t need 60v tools , but never matched what they did either. Then they developed 72v tools not backwards compatible to beat dewalt. Then they developed 36v ( 2/18v ) tools to compete….
As a Builder/ Framer I guarantee you nothing is better then Dewalt Flexvolt for Construction. And most of their 20v max tools equal or are better than any other company out there.
Oh well, haven't seen the video yet but I knew they were waiting for Milwaukee Gen 3 so they could topple it.
Corporate Chess move 😂
The 900 I bough at the start of the year is already more then enough for me with the 6ah batteries I’m not removing crank bolts or anything. I use dewalt for work because they make some nice 1/4 impact drivers so I use them at home to keep battery buying easier. I’m not sure you can go wrong with red or yellow though these days both make crazy stuff.
Hey TTC,
Starting at 4:04 when you begin to describe the first test you’re about to do (the working torque test), you stated “all tools with their 5 amp-hour battery”, referring to the results displayed on the graph to immediately follow. But the torque value listed on the graph for the 2967 is 718 ft-lbs. Correct me If I’m wrong, but I believe you obtained that value with the XC 6.0 FORGE battery in your video on 10/6/2023, and NOT with the standard XC 5.0, therefore not comparing the results with the standard 5 amp-hour battery offering across the 3 models displayed. To further verify this, the 718 value was shown again when you upgraded the batteries of the 3 models, and ran the same test starting at 5:34. I believe the value obtained with the 2967 using the standard XC 5.0 was actually 646 ft-lbs and not 718 ft-lbs. Just an observation I thought I would share! Excellent channel you guys, great work!
Impressive. I'm just pumped that this means used DCF900s and 2767-20s will be cheeeeap now
I got a dcf900 kit from Lowe's on sale last week for 280$ with 5ah battery and charger and bag. Been great so far! May get even cheaper now though
DCF900 with 5ah has been on sale for $200 at Bomgaars for months now.
@@solomonshvThx man i actually bought one for $199 because of your comment ,had no clue what bomgaars is 😅
Looks like a fun impact, wouldn’t want to use it regularly but it’s definitely awesome. Definitely not refined and way too much at 1/2”
I would love to see a "for science episode" where you run 3 high cca lead acid 6v batteries to some of these guns and see what they can do with essentially unlimited discharge potential (assuming the voltage drop doesn't negate any gains that could be achieved from higher currents)
Or a "re-corded" series. Using a tether with a lithium titanate power supply. Those things put out power like a capacitor nearly.
I own a DCF900 and it's an animal, I won't be upgrading to the 961, however, my apprentice just got the 961 and MAN IT IS SICK! She's a chunker but my god is it an animal. If I didn't have a 900, I'd buy the 961. The extra weight can suck, but there's something manly about having that 961.
SShould I buy this? Yes. The range in my shop varies greatly. My ARO 1" isn't getting it done cause its old. My last high torque was stolen. I have dewalt tools. This is what I need. Literally perfect for me.
Thanks to my Mac dealer I have the dcf961 as my loaner while my dcf900 is getting repaired. Oh boy this things feels like it’s gonna break my torque stick and my wrist one handing this puppy is like putting on a show definitely a monster!!
I have a dcf 900 but may upgrade with my Mac dealer. Does the dcf961 size cause any clearance issues for you working around cars? I'm also considering the new Milwaukee for its smaller size and weight.
@@JustCuriousAE honestly I don’t use it for to much I have a 3/8 and 1/2 mid torque I use as well, but when it comes to tough bolts it’s definitely something I’ll gravitate towards. Not the best for mobility in my opinion it’s really on there for stubborn bolts and that’s about it because of how heavy it is and how odd shaped the head is, it’s very top heavy
@hallowedmellon6235
Thank you for your quick response. I have the dcf 850, 903, 923, 891 and all are excellent for certain jobs, used almost everday but sometimes the 900 just gets beaten by some stupid lug nuts or rusted bolts! My work colleagues Snapon 9050 just seems to perform better and is more compact. Malwakee maybe a better choice?
Great work as always. I appreciate your explanation at the end of why you would or wouldn't want this impact. So many reviewers just gush over every product and with TTC I feel like we get not only an honest review but of course data to back up what you are saying.
as a diesel mechanic i am constantly running into stuck lugs and other bolts i own a dc899 and the dc961 love my good old trusty 899 occationally i will grab my coworkers 2967 but if they see me pull out the 961 people hide in the shop i cant say how meny sockets it has turned into shrapnel i lost count
It's your channel and we enjoy the rambling on. 👍
I like it, but honestly I will wait for the 3/4 drive model. I think we're reaching the limitations of what half inch stuff even needs to be or can be in terms of socket life.
yes this honestly should be the last increase in torque for 1/2 anvils all future models should just work on reducing size, vibration, and weight while keeping torque the same
I have both the older 899 dewalt high torque as well as the gen 2 milwaukee and honest both of them sit in the drawer in favor of the 1/2 inch milwaukee mid torque. The other's only come out when that mid torque can't break something loose and that's maybe just 10% of the time if that. They're all good tools, just kind of a dumbell.
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I hope that 1/2" anvil is covered under warranty, you're gonna need it
The anvil? What about the poor sockets being abused by that thing in 1/2” you’re going to be going through those things like candy with this level of power.
They made the anvil steel to be extra durable. The softer metal from your sockets on the other hand. Ya your socket rep is going to black list you eventually.
I would use an adapter 1/2”to 3/4”. Would rather damage a less expensive adapter than the socket. Would this work?
That's insane that they can develop a high torque to have boost like that! I have the dcf900 and I couldn't be happier with it. It's made my hobby of working on my truck a breeze when I have any rusted bolts to take off! I can't imagine what the dcf 961 is like! Great channel and great video!
I bought this last November, which was the soonest I could, and this thing hasn't struggled to undo anything I've thrown this at. I'm still in awe when this thing starts hammering away.
I just can’t get over battery tools outperforming air tools. 😱
At the top end yes, at the bottom end you're not going to find 4" long cordless tools making the 3, 4, 500 ft-lbs air tools can.
@@TorqueTestChannelnot yet but you never know, tool progress looks really good at this rate :)
@@TorqueTestChannel Of course beans can be stored in many ways. My CO2 bean can works well (I run long hose to give it time to expand) and for shorter duration my high pressure nitrogen bean can is nice too. Hydraulic tools go FAR beyond pneumatics but they are not cheap. Cordless tools go where corded and pneumatics do not or are impractical so I solve it by owning all three (can't find an excuse to buy a hydraulic unit unless it turns up cheap at auction).
The best part of these massively increasing specs on impact wrenches is not that the regular consumer can now get a high torque that will let you change wheels on a gargantuan mining dump truck, but that you can do your normal day-to-day work with a much smaller, lighter compact impact that does what a big bulky high torque from a decade ago would.
Most all of my tools are Yellow , I used to run Milwaukee tools but after many failures and short life span We switched to DeWalt,
I had a Milwaukee 3/8" ratchet which was working good until one day it stopped going round and round. it was supposed to have a 5 yr warranty on it, so I sent it in for service after 1 1/2 years. they would not cover my 3/8" Ratchet because the little piece of tape with the Serial number on it was worn and they couldn't read it, I sent them a copy of my Receipt from Home Depot where I bought it but they said without that worthless little tape serial number they couldn't prove it was the same Tool. well that ended my FOLLOWING OF MILWAUKEE TOOLS. IF that warranty is only worth that little piece of clear tape with a serial number on it then their tools are worthless to me.
WOW! What a showdown, the one we've been waiting for! Impressive numbers by all no doubt. That Dewalt DCF961 is calling my name, even if i still will be using my Milwaukee 2967-20 on the regular.
Thanks for the great upload, keep up the good work TTC!
For milling out 1/2 inch sockets... just buy 1/2-3/4 adapters in bulk and adapt all your 3/4's down, until the 3/4 comes out? Or just have the tool truck keep replacing them?
Time is money,, and this is exactly what I need!! I am a heavy equipment field mechanic, working on large earth moving equipment!!(Im Ordering right now, great video)
its a good day to be a dewalts fan, thank u dad for choosing a good platform for me to keep adding to
What an awsome time to be into cordless impact wrenches. So many powerful choices.
Thanks for the video. Always fun to watch.
Awesome to see this review! have to get this over the 900 because the purpose you described was exactly what i need it for. I use my 12v 3/8s for everything but sometimes theres something more than the 250ftlbs it can deliver so having a one-stop "This mf is coming off or its getting melted off" tool is all I need.
I would like to know yours opinion about 1/2 vs 3/4 or even 1" in case of heavy machinery like in my case sem truck. I want to buy something to lose and tighten lug nuts in case of flat tire and im wondering....like 1600 nm is crazy force, can even small 1/2 drive shaft hold it in long term? And of course most of the "big" semi sockets are in 3/4 or 1" so in case of 1/2 you have to use some reduction socket to fit. I simply cannot believe that 1/2 impact is sustainable to long term force of 1600 nm +. It sounds ridiculous to me but on the other hand i know nothing about this topic. Appreciate any kind of meaningfull answer here. Thanks
Yes 3/4" would be much better
I am milwaukee guy but I'll replace my old 3/4 with this when available here.
I'll use it rarely but "when you need it you really need it"
To start, love your output, the right balance of humor and fact!
I switched from a "yellow, to red", in the form of a basic pre lithium and tired Dewalt, to an M18 Fuel drill kit with the 1/4 impact a couple of years ago, massive improvement, as you would expect.
Then added the 4.5 grinder and Hacksawzall, both fantastic additions when mains power is restricted.
Then, unless money is no object, you've no option but to stay with the "platform" that you have chosen.
However, I don't see anything on the horizon that is going to convert me from my air powered 1/2 and 3/4 impacts.
I work on a lot of older Land Rovers here in the UK, so access and power to weigh ratio is essential.
For cost and versatility, I love my Milwaukee, but when I need to undo the stuff that has had an hard life, it's air all the way!
Omg That dewalt is a monster After 5 seconds it Ramps Up into a Turbo Mode like a V8 With Dual Turbos Spooling and just Blows the competition away 6:40 @Torque Test Channel
I've had mine for a few months now and I love it just shows everyone's up in the shop. I use it almost daily building offload rigs
What would happen if you switched the positive and negative wires on the motor ? Would it just run backwards to what you have the switch set for or could it possibly confuse it and put out more power being the switch is set to forward but the motor. running reverse
Its scary how strong that thing is haha Reminds me of fast and furious when Paul Walker hits the nitrous in his eclipse LOL
This is perfect for removing rusty semi truck/trailer lug nuts. Takes them off no issue at all.
2:11 yeah. I've watched the 961 brake 2700 ft lbs on another channel. The 961 is massive not a daily use tool but I have yet to find a bolt it wouldn't brake... loosing or literally braking 1.5' bolts.
15:10 the real world is often very different to youtube's greased fresh bolts
those bolts weren't anywhere close to as tight as they said. If the 961 could do 2700 DeWalt would advertise the hell out of that number.
That guy's channel is at the risk of becoming useless. Says the 2967 takes of 2,500 ft-lbs or basically TWICE that of what he's done with the gen 2. Bought the 2967 2 weeks ago and stalled it out on a front loader bucket, not gunna move. So used a 1" ratchet and a 5ft bar to take it off, the bolt was not no 2500 ft-lbs tight. My scrawny butt is not pushing forward with 500 lbs. Get real
@@MustangAficionado
Shop Tool Reviews' use of an electronic Hytorc torque tool (of questionable accuracy) on clean, lubed fine thread bolts that gets impacted for 10 seconds to get the nut moving then another as many seconds as needed to finish loosening, and consider that a fastener needs less power to loosen than it does to tighten, his tests are basically an exaggerated rendition of the method manufacturers use to get their often dubious "nut busting" numbers.
@@stlyns I feel that and that's why I've watched them. But it seems like in the past his tests matches brand claims, and now with the largest bolts everything is 1.5-2X brand claims all of a sudden? Like local said above, if Milwaukee could come up with 2500 themselves in any way they sure would put it on the damn box.
That thing is a beast, would make short work of a Honda crank bolt.
Vtec on Vtec battle.
Maybe 😅
Honda has joined the chat.
What I'm noticing, other than the bonkers power of the new Dewalt impacts, is they have really upgraded their internals and the plastic clamshell covers. They have always made rugged tools, but rough around the edges and prone to small failures.
My workmates and I all have multiple DCF887 impact drivers, and despite online reviews showing them spewing smoke, these things are by far the most reliable and tough impacts in class from my experience. I have a lot of criticism for Dewalt, but apart from triggers getting glitchy which happens to all impacts I've seen, they just keep going. And we seriously abuse them. They get dropped, thrown, they drive so many big fasteners that they are too hot to touch, we use them to predrill an entire house lot of of 16mm thick fibre cement weatherboards on an almost weekly basis, they often drive large concrete bolts, and nobody I work with has had one die. Some of them are 6 or 7 years old and look absolutely terrible.
I'm a big Makita fan and their impacts seem to die more often, and don't get me started on the Milwaukees, nothing red is reliable for some reason.
Absolutely right
Us heavy truck guys in the rust belt are all extremely interested in all the big Boi power Dewalt and Milwaukee can find.
Looks like a nice unit, but same as other comments...it's going to destroy sockets, need a 3/4" anvil.
Show me busted impact sockets lol
@@RedneckRoyalty DCF900 already destroys sockets. It doesn't "bust the socket", it eventually reams out the square drive hole. This thing will do that even faster.
@@RedneckRoyalty were you not watching this video? They’ve already shown them. They are completely mushroomed and that’s just from the testing not every day use. You guys really do cherry pick information from this channel. And most of the people completely ignored the fact that he said, if you were looking for 1/2” impact for your every day work, this is not a replacement for that. That this tool would sit in your bottom drawer for the most part. But so many people just get fixated on one thing. Is it impressive? Absolutely and I love the VTEC. This can be applied to so many other tools so it’s a win for DeWalt regardless when it comes to engineering. But as far as a every day, use for. 1/2” impact wrench no. This should’ve been a three-quarter. This tool is completely unpractical for every day use as a 1/2”. The best Tool is the most productive tool, and this is not the most productive tool because of size wait how jarring it is and how it destroy’s sockets.
this thing is nuts, but i still went with the 2967 even though most of my tools are dewalt because this thing is just too big and heavy. if this drops in 3/4", i'll get that model instead. i feel that if you're pushing this much torque with vibrations this violent, you'll destroy more impact sockets than you'll remove bolts
got it, love it, working in Truck service and own my own mobile service for Semitrucks, and it lot easier to grab this beast than moving car and dragging hoses for big 1" impact..hope dewalt will finally spit out the 3/4 and 1", bcs the 1/2 is over its socket limits, broke 2 snap-on 33mm sockets (cracked bottom to top) and few non branded...as always keep up to good work...
In 2012 I spent thousands literally, to run an Ingersol Rand air 1 inch anvil for my semi truck. This thing has more torque by 50lbs, mine needed so much air I needed a $300 hose just to run it.
How many wheels could you pull on/off with one battery? (What amp/hr batteries do you use)
@@adamfrbs9259 and not to mention cost of a good compressor to be able to put the air out.. I have multiple of batteries, from 5amp to 10am, mostly using 6am and 8 amp with it, and i get about 4 wheels (sets) off and on on one bat. with no problems, but over time i got a system in, i take a 1 to 2 wheels off and change battery for tightening and than removal of the other 2 wheels, and it depends on how everything goes, and how tight it is i tight it with the same bat. or swap it just to be sure i get the most power for tightening it, before using a torque ranch... and sometimes i found out if i can't remove a nut with my 1/2" 33mm it sometime works top put a 1" adapter and use my 33mm from air impact, and to be honest so far I've been lucky enough to remove almost everything with it, so far only twice that i had to grab a air 1" gun, and it took for ever even with that one... hope that helped..
@@adamfrbs9259 I have multiple battery but with this gun i use 6 to 10 amp, and usually itll get me through 4 wheel (40 nuts) off and back on, but i did that on the beginning now i tend to change bat. after 2 wheels off and back on... and noticed that sometime on the stubborn bolts it works out good for me to grab a 1" adapter and socket from my 1" air impact if the regular 1/2" just not getting it...
@czdejv21 nice appreciation the info. The 15ah batteries are 400 bucks, ouch, couldn't do it, I've slowly accumulated 3 9ah batteries so far.
@adamfrbs9259 you don't need 15amp, no extra benefit in power just longer run time, and to big and bulky, you'll get the same power from a 6amp if not more since its using bigger cells...and the price is just ridiculous...
I'm interested in the reasoning behind the "VTEC" feature. Is it to save battery life, protect your wrists, stop you from immediately snapping off every bolt, or stop the massive amps from roasting the electronics? I'm guessing it has something to do with the last one, and probably protecting the battery.
"stop you from immediately snapping off every bolt" this most probably, so you have more control instead of just balls to the wall
I bought this to replace my snapon 9080. I have been using dewalt impacts instead of the tool trucks for the last few years. The snapon stays in the drawer until i come across something crazy tight. My most used is the dewalt mid torque and 99% of the time its all i need. Grabbed this stupid heavy dewalt today to use on an on car bearing puller. I knew dewalt had stepped up their game but holy hell this thing is powerful. Its violent to hold and you shouldcuse a socket you can warranty. My snapon served me well but this dcf961 is obviously a stronger impact.
I own the 961 it's an absolute animal and use it regularly as a heavy equipment mechanic, it removes things that I used to have to get the 3/4 drive or 1 inch drive I can't recommend it it more, it's awesome
As a heavy equipment mechanic, l use my 961 every day and love it.
At what point are we going to see strength of materials become a limiting factor in the socket assembly itself? How much torque CAN you put on a piece of 1/2" square steel?
I'm not buying that DCF961 until they release it with a 3/4 or 1" anvil. I already have the DCF900, for me the increase in size and price of the 961 isn't justified by the relatively slight increase in performance over the 900. I'm waiting for Dewalt to release something that i can use on 9 yard bucket blade bolts for our Hitachi wheel loaders, that 961 would eat too many sockets on a 1/2 anvil. Frustrating as hell to hear we might have to wait another year to get it, dumb decision on Dewalt's part
My sentiments exactly. I bought the DCF 900 earlier this year and couldn’t be happier with it. This seemed like just a marketing ploy to crap on team red rather than something that made sense and should have been a 3/4”. Why release the DCF900 at all if you had this to release about a year later?
Holy moly. I think I know what I'm getting for automotive work. I think Milwaukee is taking a back seat.
Personally I think the amount of vibrations makes it unusable for me as a professional mechanic. I don’t want carpal tunnel syndrome. I’d appreciate if they toned the power down a bit to save my sockets and my hands.
Agreed, try the XGT makita
@@TorqueTestChannel I’m hoping the new Metabo SSW 18 LTX 1750 BL brings the German made magic
@@thegamereliterest9550 Taiwan I believe
XGT Makita would handle everything you'll really ever need in real life and their antivibration is incredible.
I would like to see how the XGT performs with the new high-performance 4Ah battery.
I will definitely be getting one I was waiting to see your next video thanks for letting me know which tool to choose
Even as a home gamer, living in the rust belt and having broken too many sockets with a 6' cheater, this one is going on the xmas list for sure.
Invest in a mini oxy-acetaline setup. That’ll work much better for you
@@FuttBuckerByMutt I have one. I prefer to not have to break tools when stuff is f’d so badly that the sparkle wrench can’t get it done alone.
Coming back to this because evidently the 3/4” dcf964 is available for half the m18 1”. Cant imagine what torque itll put out
I wonder if the 15 second test would get a higher result if you released the trigger and restarted at the 8 second point. Does the trigger being released immediately reset the vtec yo timer?
Yes, it resets it
Should be perfect for tightening down intake plenums!?
Just got mine yesterday and 'speechless' is the best word that describes me! Way beyond what I ever thought cordless 1/2in. guns could do. But now they can. 💯
1065 foot pounds is crazy from a 1/2 Anvil just wow 11:51 what a steal at little over 300 dollars @Torque Test Channel
Will definitely be buying a “DCF964” in 3/4” drive when it comes out.
Small farm and auto use my DCF899 has failed many times over the last year to loosen bolts (cultivator/disc bolts, suspension u-bolts, etc). So while I really like the 899, this new unit would be a nice upgrade.
I like the 2 stage process. Like a turbo mode you can't accidentally use when not needed.
Your summary at the end really fit what my impressions about it were. Its very impressive, but its such a chonker i would hate to have to use it every day if I was working at a tire shop or something. With some mild tendinitis even my 2767 is kind of miserable to use sometimes when my elbow is acting up, has me kind of excited when its due for retirement so I can enjoy the weight savings of the 2967.
I'm impressed, I need an impact, will be picking one up closer to Christmas time.
i got one of these two weeks back mostly to remove Lugs on Newflyer busses. it works on 33mm nuts at 500ft/lbs
Those 1/2" high torque wars... wow, impressive! Honestly, too big for that 1/2" anvil.. I'd ruin my impact sockets with this.. lol. A 3/4" anvil seems a perfect fit for this beast, imho. The Milwaukee 1/2" 2967, 3rd gen.. love the shorter length & more compact size for those general automotive applications. Kudos DeWalt.. 👏👏
And less weight & vibration
The DCF900 and the new M18 are also too much for the 1/2" anvil. If you research, you'll see plenty of people complaining about the DCF900 destroying their sockets. Since the new M18 is more powerful than the 900, same thing is gonna happen. And this one is just stupid. I might end up buying one because, why not, but it's ridiculous.
Need to build a timer into this new Dewalt booster... at 9 seconds its delivered about all it's going to deliver, while the others need 15+ seconds to reach the same point. So you can stop and give your wrist a rest after 10 seconds vs. hanging on for maximum wrist wrenching with the rest.
Yellow is king again! Here you go 👑