i work on frac pumps for the oilfield, just picked one up last week and this impact managed to rip the harmonic balance bolts right off the unit. for those of you who work on frac pumps you know how ridiculous those bolts are to take off, so needless to say this impact is very impressive.
I’m in your boat but I just got the 961 and the Milwaukee 3/4 still beat me, I wonder if it’s cause the IPM/RPMs make a difference..the 961 has 1200rpm/1890ipm..Milwaukee 3/4 has 1800rpm/2400ipm kinda disappointed
I wouldnt feel bad. Youre comparing a 3/4 anvil impact with a 1/2 anvil impact. Both completely different categories. Price points too. @@jaimegarza8071
Milwaukee and DeWalt constantly one-upping one another is great for the us, the consumer. Another great review guys! Side note, this needs to be a 3/4", not a half inch
@@sammyus2016 so that it doesn’t mill the inside of your sockets. I have a dcf961 and took off 2 semi lug nuts with a 33mm and it milled the inside of the socket. Thank God I have a Milwaukee socket set with a lifetime warranty, but a 3/4 inch anvil impact wrench would not ruin your sockets like that.
I’m a professional and this is way too much power in the hand. It will destroy sockets and snap off bolts left and right. I got a dcf900 and I have to be careful with what I use it on. It’s better to get a small torch and warm up the bolt for a second so it comes loose nice and easy.
@@operator8014This tool should make heavy equipment and industrial techs happy, but this is way too much torque for automotive. This would destroy studs.
I got the DCF961B. It was $641 on Amazon. It has a rubber dampener over the battery pick up and a larger plastic handle around the charger pickup also invaded in rubber. It’s a beast. Worth every penny. Hasn’t let me down yet. With a 9AH flex battery you get the best power results. So far the most impressive thing it’s removed was an Allison transmission rear output shaft yoke nut. Is a 2 7/8 socket with a 1/2 to 3/4 adaptor and was at “1000ft/pounds) but was 12 years old and was prob a lot tighter.
@@Shoptoolreviews yall recently tested Milwaukee's new 2967 with a newer hotter FORGE battery, would have been nice to see this test with a comparable 5Ah PowerStack for a better comparison.
I'm laughing and a joyful that Milwaukee and DeWalt are now constantly throwing punches of new tools at each other. Even better, I get to constantly see Snap-on fall further and further behind the competition. LOL
@@loucifer4205the capitals behind them are essentially and literally the same (vanguard group and other different capitals that made up of same names if you dig deep enough)
As always a well-done, comprehensive and informative video. After years of resting on their laurels with the DCF-899. DeWalt has come back with a vengeance in their more recent high torque offerings.
DeWalt should make that thing with a 3/4” anvil. That’s way too much power to run through a 1/2” anvil. Once you go above 1,200 ft lbs or so, that’s the point where you need to step up to a 3/4”
Exactly what i said in an earlier comment. That power is too much for an 1/2 anvil 😂 been there done that on heavy duty trucks. 1/2 milwaukee would get the job done but the 3/4 milwaukee would do it more easily and would last longer as you’re putting less stress on a bigger anvil.
Even the DCF900 is destroying sockets. I imagine the new red tool will be as well since it's capable of a little more power than the 900 with the right battery. Anything more than the 900 and new 2967 is ludicrous. This 961 is ridiculous and too much power for a half inch. The only reason the DCF900, 2967, and this DCF961 even exist is for these two to one up each other.
DeWalt should keep the 900 as their 1/2” high torque and make their new high torque only in 3/4”. As mentioned in the video, this is way too much power for 1/2”. Even some of the mid torque’s are getting a little out of hand. Where mid torque’s are today is where high torque’s were 10 years ago.
I don't think making the square hole in the socket bigger is going to stop this beast from banging up sockets, the impact sockets are a little softer than chrome so they don't shatter, probably going to happen just the same with a 3/4, but I do think it should have been 3/4 too just because of the size and power, you have bigger sizes with 3/4 sockets, just makes more sense when it's this powerful
@@Lee-lb9qh 3/4 gives you 50% more surface area on 4 sides plus the anvil is generally longer than its 1/2” counter part which means you’re likely getting about 4x the surface area. This will translate to significantly longer life out of a 3/4” socket. I don’t know who would need those kind of torque number. I bought the DCF891 because of this guys tests on this channel and it has done everything I’ve asked. I am not a diesel or semi truck mechanic but that mid torque seems to do 90% of what most people would need done
@@Lee-lb9qh my opinion is, tools and batteries are advancing way faster than the metallurgy of steel, meaning, brushless motors, electronics, etc, are constantly being developed, while the composition of the steel used to make sockets , remain the same, we need sockets to match the power of the tools hitting the market
I had the old dewalt 899 and it kicked the snot out of my batteries, I’m curious how these are going to hold up long term. Their batteries have definitely improved since I switched over to red. Two brands competing is good for both of us, that being said, well done yellow.
Update: Bought one of these. Actually had to use it on a rusted bolt in a knuckle. It took the nut off not problem but the bolt was absolutely rusted in and needed a torch before it ripped the bolt out. Keep in mind, Shop Tool Review bolts are rust free; great show of what the tool is capable of, but real world testing is how you'd REALLY want to test this
That thing is cheating. It leverages off of the bolt next to it. Meaning you can't hold it in your hands like an impact or it would simply snap your wrist. So not really so that special, just a geared down drill with a torque multiplyer.
I need one of these for work..work at a dealership as lubetech some of the lugnuts are way over tighten to where the air impacts can't even remove them
I pretty sure it has a battery isolator, you might want to look at it closer.... Also wished you would have tested it with a larger battery, the 5AH is pretty small on that tool, still mighty impressive. I think DeWalt is insane for not offering this with a 3/4 inch anvil
if you look at the nose cone, its machined out for a bigger anvil. I think they are releasing the 1/2 as they will sell them more then a 3/4. I want a 3/4 drive as well. Almost converted my 900 to a 3/4 drive.
With the current technology you can’t go wrong with just about most of the electric stuff put out. Pick your band and be happy.. I’m a Milwaukee guy but if one likes Dewalt, great pick as well… thank goodness for technology and choice because we all win💯
What grade and size of bolt are you using for the last, largest size? I am confused how you can get to the torque numbers shown, on bolts that size, especially with them lubricated. That should be permanently deforming the bolts as far as I am aware. Happy to be proven wrong though.
The Milwaukee 2967 was 200 ft-lbs less in your tests. However, the Milwaukee is considerably smaller; it has full LED lighting around the anvil, which is far superior to the LED lighting mounted on the battery, and it has a rubber shock mount on the battery to protect the circuit boards in the battery. The Milwaukee is also lighter than the DeWalt. The Milwaukee 2967 made it to 2400 ft-lbs in this test. The 2967 also carries a 5-year warranty, the DeWalt only has a 3-year warranty. Finally, the Milwaukee is MUCH more comfortable to use as far as vibration compared to the DCF961 - you can tell that the DCF 961 just beats the hell out of the user in these tests. So, if sheer torque power is the only thing you're looking for, then the DCF961 is your choice. It wins the raw torque test, but not by much. It is an animal by any definition. But then, the Milwaukee 2967 is a beast also. I own the 2967 and it is scary powerful. Considering all of the advantages I have listed for the 2967, it is hands-down a better impact wrench than the DCF961. It is more comfortable to use, better built, smaller, shorter and lighter, it has a superior ring LED light, it fights the user less than the DCF961 (vibrates less) and it has a 5-year warranty. All that and it is only 200 ft-lbs less in torque. You will only see the difference between 2400 ft-lbs and 2700 ft-lbs if you are working on very heavy machinery. Nothing in your everyday cars and trucks will ever require anything close to what both of these impact wrenches can do. With all that in mind, the Milwaukee is the superior choice for the vast majority of people in my opinion. And it is possible with the new larger Forge batteries coming out, it will make up that gap of 200 ft-lbs it is behind the DCF 961. I recently used the 2967 to replace the front and back shocks on my 4-wheel drive Toyota Tacoma and frankly, it's a monster. It's so powerful that I was afraid to use it to tighten any of the bolts on my drive assembly. In its lowest setting, it puts out something like 650 ft-lbs of torque to tighten bolts at its lowest setting. As far as loosening bolts, none of the large bolts on the upper and lower control arms and drive assembly even challenged the power of the 2967. As I used it, I had a sense that it would probably sheer the bolt in two if it couldn't loosen it. Whether that's true or not, I don't know because all of the bolts easily came loose. The 22 mm lug nuts on my truck were not even a challenge, and that is one of the main things I bought this wrench for. I hate having to mess with cheater bars and ratchets to take off lug nuts. So, I am very happy with the Milwaukee 2967 impact wrench and can heartily recommend it.
This just became my favourite YT channel. Thank you so much for your comprehensive reviews, you’ve saved me time and money and now I can make an informed decision
With this much power 1/2” drive really is maxed out, ss he shows the socket he was using already had considerable wear. All manufacturers need to start selling a 3/4” drive to better transfer power, and 3/4” also comes from factory with retaining ring hole.
love my DCF 961! its a ridiculous powerhouse! waiting for the 3/4" version.... showed up Milwaukee guys a few times for a change lol, not that im dedicated to a single brand, but I have 4 DeWalt chargers, and 11 batteries. IMO buy the tools you have batteries for
All about having the right tool for the right job does everyone need this tool no most people this is way more power than they actually need but are there some people who actually might need this much power probably depending on what they doing what they need it for regardless it’s good that there is a wide range to fit Everyone’s needs
Same, i just got mines a month ago and after hearing rumors i see this video upload. I might just use the 900 on my left hand and the 961 on the right.
@5MURF0 I bought the 900 for the house and took the previous model to work... but now it seems I'll have to keep the 900 in my off road tool box and the 961 at home lol
Would you perform a torque test on the HF 1/2 and 3/8? Thanks for the info on Dewalt and Milwaukee! We work on semi trailers, and have been changing tires with the battery guns, since Snappy came out with a deep 33mm 1/2 socket. Pilot nuts only torque to 450ft lbs. Thanks for your info!
Hi Tim, I like your reliable tests videos, The one here couldn't break free 2700 ft-pounds, I think it would be very interesting to try at 2650 - like in all test, when it approaches the max, it is certainly even more reliable and more precise feedback to jump to half figures like 950 (in the case of 891), and 1250, 1300, 1350 with your usual reference of max 10 seconds in this way we can, based on your test, have a real max Thank you for your efforts Take care
@shoptoolreviews Do you think it'll surpass 2,600 ft-lbs with a Powerstack 5Ah or a FlexVolt even so? Just curious, its still insanely powerful with a reg 5Ah battery
Very neat to watch, but I wondered what is the purpose of something like this. Somebody mentioned oil well work, after that maybe large earth moving equipment, large trucks, maybe the bolts that hold up street signal supports? Would they ever be used on construction sites for assembly of steel structures? FWIW, at over 2000 foot pounds I thought the bolt or the tool would break.
The listed torque is 1700ft, and I’ve seen it on a Dino only doing 940 on a 15sec run. what thread pitch you running and how often is your torque gun calibrated? Its unreal I hope this isn’t staged would be a real game changer
Two totally different torque testing procedures and both are reliable. You're welcome to ask the other party as well. TTC uses a pneumatic pressure that's translated into a guestimated amount of torque. They use a tightening method in both their forward and reverse procedure, They just use a left-hand threaded bolt for the reverse test. Tightening torque will ALWAYS be less than bolt-removal or loosening torque. We use a method of using actual nuts and bolts for testing. We use HYTORC Torque Tools that have a very high degree of accuracy and they are calibrated to spec. These torque tools cost several thousands of dollars each. We use hardened fasteners and washers with the most threads per inch that are available. These fasteners are inspected and maintained before each test. It's not uncommon to replace fasteners after just a few rounds of these High Torque monsters. We also grease these fasteners. This is to ensure that we achieve both quantitative and qualitative results. In others, we need to have repeatable results, not some anomaly. Our goal is to ALWAYS tell the truth. Yes, we make mistakes, we're not perfect, and there's only been one perfect man to ever walk this earth. However, we also admit it when we miss the mark or make a mistake.
Weird he didn't bother to test them right. Yet he made sure he put that Forge on the 2967 when it maxed out with the 5ah 😂. It's kinda like when he had the Kobalt mid torque best the 891. 🤔
The power is INSANE but I am really worried about 1/2" sockets holding up. I think this is gonna eat them alive. People really going to need the lifetime warranty on their sockets is my guess.
At this point is not about break away power but more of “How much can your hand, wrist, arm and shoulder, take !!! Anything beyond 2700 in a “compact” 1/2 (compared to other brands 1” tools) will not be good to use for long periods of time !!! This thing is a MONSTER 🔥🔥🔥
People saying this should be 3/4in drive only, i disagree. Should they make 3/4 version for diesel mechanics? Sure. The 3/4 sockets' drive end would last longer. But 1/2in would have wider range of socket sizes available. Make sure your sockets have lifetime warranty!😂. Also the 1/2 would be more powerful and shorter when using a smaller sized socket that is only available in 1/2drive, vs a 3/4 using a reducer to allow it to use a 1/2drive socket. Anytime you use a reducer with impacts it has a parasitic loss of torque at socket. Also yhe Torque Test Channel is great, but could be better. I wish he would list hammer weights and impacts per minute, as well as dynamic torque and sound level for all the impacts. The dynamic torque is how hard each hammer impact is turning the anvil. I think the max torque ends up higher than dynamic because if the hammer hits again while the fastener is still turning/vibrating, the "sliding friction" is less than "static" friction. Imagine this example, the bolt breakaway torque is usually higher than the torque you tighten something to. Same idea. Real Tool Reviews experimented with testing dynamic torque, he tested the Earthquake 1/2 vs 3/4in drive impacts, the dynamic torque of the 3/4 was 900something ft lbs, basically double the dynamic of the 1/2dr. I think the dynamic may be more important than max torque in the real world. Im guessing locktite and rust prevent the bolt/nut from vibrating much, and this tight bond makes it harder to break free with impact. If the dynamic torque is too low to get that rusted fastener to vibrate enough, the impact shouldn't be able to take it off. You could have 2 impacts with same max torque, but one has more dynamic. The one with more dynamic would take off more nuts/bolts.
Impressive power from cordless tools these days. Dewalt has really raised the bar. This Milwaukee owner is impressed.
I'm Milwaukee as well with my proud 1inch and if Tim put that 60 v 9amp this beast will certainly bypass 2700 lbs beating my m18 at 2400 lbs
The thing I like about Milwaukee is its size. I'm a home and light duty user and the difference in size suites me more than the power difference.
i work on frac pumps for the oilfield, just picked one up last week and this impact managed to rip the harmonic balance bolts right off the unit. for those of you who work on frac pumps you know how ridiculous those bolts are to take off, so needless to say this impact is very impressive.
I just bought a DCF900 a month ago, now i want the DCF961 just for bragging rights. Plus Christmas is right around the corner.
I’m in your boat but I just got the 961 and the Milwaukee 3/4 still beat me, I wonder if it’s cause the IPM/RPMs make a difference..the 961 has 1200rpm/1890ipm..Milwaukee 3/4 has 1800rpm/2400ipm kinda disappointed
I wouldnt feel bad. Youre comparing a 3/4 anvil impact with a 1/2 anvil impact. Both completely different categories. Price points too. @@jaimegarza8071
@@jaimegarza8071still beat u how ?
We need to see a test with the 9ah flexvolt and 5ah powerstack
Milwaukee and DeWalt constantly one-upping one another is great for the us, the consumer. Another great review guys!
Side note, this needs to be a 3/4", not a half inch
Why 3/4?
@@sammyus2016 so that it doesn’t mill the inside of your sockets. I have a dcf961 and took off 2 semi lug nuts with a 33mm and it milled the inside of the socket. Thank God I have a Milwaukee socket set with a lifetime warranty, but a 3/4 inch anvil impact wrench would not ruin your sockets like that.
Much more torque than I need. This is clearly for professionals, not DIYers. But I want one anyway!
For sure
I’m a professional and this is way too much power in the hand. It will destroy sockets and snap off bolts left and right. I got a dcf900 and I have to be careful with what I use it on. It’s better to get a small torch and warm up the bolt for a second so it comes loose nice and easy.
@@markm0000My dozer track bolts are begging to disagree with you.
Look, you can never have too many tools and no self-respecting man in the world will disagree with that sentiment
@@operator8014This tool should make heavy equipment and industrial techs happy, but this is way too much torque for automotive. This would destroy studs.
I got the DCF961B. It was $641 on Amazon. It has a rubber dampener over the battery pick up and a larger plastic handle around the charger pickup also invaded in rubber. It’s a beast. Worth every penny. Hasn’t let me down yet. With a 9AH flex battery you get the best power results. So far the most impressive thing it’s removed was an Allison transmission rear output shaft yoke nut. Is a 2 7/8 socket with a 1/2 to 3/4 adaptor and was at “1000ft/pounds) but was 12 years old and was prob a lot tighter.
it's on ebay with a 8ah power stack for $350 you got robbed.
Just got mine today from the tool truck. Just what I needed as a Diesel mechanic. Great video, very informative
Wow dewalt really put Milwaukee in 2nd place with this monster
They put Milwaukee in 2nd place with all their new impact wrenches in 20/18 volt and 12 volt
They've been in second place a long time
With high torque and mid torque
Milwaukee doesn't make anything this fat aside from their 1" monsters.
Which are both more powerful than this.
@@operator8014we're talking about 1/2 here. Now that I think of it I don't think dewalt has 1'' impact they really should make one
And that is only with a 5ah battery!? Let's go!! 💯 Dig the turbo mode too.
I'm getting mine through my MAC Tool's dealer.
Thanks, Tim, for the vid!
Right on! Glad we could help
@@Shoptoolreviews yall recently tested Milwaukee's new 2967 with a newer hotter FORGE battery, would have been nice to see this test with a comparable 5Ah PowerStack for a better comparison.
I had the 900 and it was destroying My sockets. Once you get past 1300 ftlbs you are in 3/4 Impact range. It's getting overkill at this point
You'll have to switch to 3/4 adaptor for that stage but might lose alittle impact torque
Yeah I wonder if that’s why Milwaukee chose to go more compact with their new 1/2 high torque.
DeWalt thinks outside the box. They set this thing up nicely. I hope the offer it in 3/4 drive sooner than later
Do not fear, a 3/4" is in the works.... unsure if its this one with a different anvil or something new.
I'm absolutely sure there will be a ¾" anvil coming soon. This is a LOT for a 1/2" anvil, as you can see in the video! 👍👌💪⚡⚠️🔧🛠️🔩🚧😄💨
Wow I am blown away at the power you can get from 20v battery. 2 years ago this power was only dreamed off
I was getting ready to get a air impact like snap on. Then my snap on buddy said, look at electric ones. Just as powerful now.
Crazy the power now.
I'm laughing and a joyful that Milwaukee and DeWalt are now constantly throwing punches of new tools at each other.
Even better, I get to constantly see Snap-on fall further and further behind the competition. LOL
Black and Decker and Milwaukee have been going at it since around 1920
America (Dewalt) vs China (Milwaukee)
🤣
@@loucifer4205the capitals behind them are essentially and literally the same (vanguard group and other different capitals that made up of same names if you dig deep enough)
@@loucifer4205 the majority of the XR line is made in Mexico. They outsource a lot of their stuff now. All the old USA models are long discontinued.
As always a well-done, comprehensive and informative video. After years of resting on their laurels with the DCF-899. DeWalt has come back with a vengeance in their more recent high torque offerings.
It had that 2700 lbs IN THE BAG! Run that Bad Boy on a Fresh XR 6ah or a Powerstack 5. 2900lbs…3000!?!?!
At the end of the video he said they tried 2700 on a new battery and it did in fact take it off.
OMG what a monster! Unbelievable good job DeWalt...😮
Great review. Happy to see your channel growing, keep up the good work!
Ah, perfect, this should be just enough power for my Prius Lugnuts.
And that’s not even a stacked lithium battery that’s an older 5ah cylindrical cell pack
DeWalt should make that thing with a 3/4” anvil. That’s way too much power to run through a 1/2” anvil. Once you go above 1,200 ft lbs or so, that’s the point where you need to step up to a 3/4”
Exactly what i said in an earlier comment. That power is too much for an 1/2 anvil 😂 been there done that on heavy duty trucks. 1/2 milwaukee would get the job done but the 3/4 milwaukee would do it more easily and would last longer as you’re putting less stress on a bigger anvil.
Even the DCF900 is destroying sockets. I imagine the new red tool will be as well since it's capable of a little more power than the 900 with the right battery. Anything more than the 900 and new 2967 is ludicrous. This 961 is ridiculous and too much power for a half inch. The only reason the DCF900, 2967, and this DCF961 even exist is for these two to one up each other.
DeWalt should keep the 900 as their 1/2” high torque and make their new high torque only in 3/4”. As mentioned in the video, this is way too much power for 1/2”. Even some of the mid torque’s are getting a little out of hand. Where mid torque’s are today is where high torque’s were 10 years ago.
Bigger isn’t alway better, the 900 eats sockets, this thing should’ve been 3/4” drive. You’re gonna go through sockets like CRAZY
We agree. We’re pushing way beyond the limits of a 1/2” anvil.
I don't think making the square hole in the socket bigger is going to stop this beast from banging up sockets, the impact sockets are a little softer than chrome so they don't shatter, probably going to happen just the same with a 3/4, but I do think it should have been 3/4 too just because of the size and power, you have bigger sizes with 3/4 sockets, just makes more sense when it's this powerful
@@Lee-lb9qh 3/4 gives you 50% more surface area on 4 sides plus the anvil is generally longer than its 1/2” counter part which means you’re likely getting about 4x the surface area. This will translate to significantly longer life out of a 3/4” socket. I don’t know who would need those kind of torque number. I bought the DCF891 because of this guys tests on this channel and it has done everything I’ve asked. I am not a diesel or semi truck mechanic but that mid torque seems to do 90% of what most people would need done
@@Lee-lb9qh my opinion is, tools and batteries are advancing way faster than the metallurgy of steel, meaning, brushless motors, electronics, etc, are constantly being developed, while the composition of the steel used to make sockets , remain the same, we need sockets to match the power of the tools hitting the market
I had the old dewalt 899 and it kicked the snot out of my batteries, I’m curious how these are going to hold up long term. Their batteries have definitely improved since I switched over to red. Two brands competing is good for both of us, that being said, well done yellow.
The 899 was from a different era of Dewalt. All the stuff they’re making now is really high quality.
I’ll probably stick with red due to the more compact form, it just works better for the work I do.
@@joshcardon8241 nothing wrong with that. Every name-brand is about the same now.
The 899 is a die hard machine. In what I seen from them in the past they are hard to kill
They have a built in shock absorber now.
Wow the new tool just beat everyone in its class. Great video 👍
Can't wait to see the other tool companies try and beat this.
That is a real beast . That thing
Can actually reach the Milwaukees top of the line in D handle 1 inch . That is a meen beast .
I guess the big question is….With all of this power in a half inch drive, will it hold up or will it need to be rebuilt in 6 months
Hell it’s got the three year warranty. I’m gonna find out!
Update: Bought one of these. Actually had to use it on a rusted bolt in a knuckle. It took the nut off not problem but the bolt was absolutely rusted in and needed a torch before it ripped the bolt out. Keep in mind, Shop Tool Review bolts are rust free; great show of what the tool is capable of, but real world testing is how you'd REALLY want to test this
Been waiting for this one. Socket destroyer mode engage, nice.
HAVE MINE on Order from ACME TOOLS and i have a ADAPTER to run FLEX BATTERIES so im going to see what it can do with a 6 AMP STACKED LITHIUM
The real beast in this video is the driver you use to tighten the nuts for testing!!!!
That thing is cheating. It leverages off of the bolt next to it. Meaning you can't hold it in your hands like an impact or it would simply snap your wrist. So not really so that special, just a geared down drill with a torque multiplyer.
Realize that if you have an old 18v dewalt DW059 you can take advantage of dewalts trade up program and get this crazy 20v impact for about $150.
I use NM so although impressed, I didn't fully grasp how crazy this is until I realised towards the end that he is infact using Ft-lbs. Crazy!
I need one of these for work..work at a dealership as lubetech some of the lugnuts are way over tighten to where the air impacts can't even remove them
This dcf961 should be a 3/4" tool... just too much for a 1/2" anvil & sockets. Impressive power...
Please do a short with the DCF961 with a 9 ah flexvolt
I want to see it hit 3000ft-lbs
Holy shittttttt i just ordered mines
Milwaukee owners looking at their impact wrench like war is over pal
I have DCF899 , DCF900 . Now I should buy DCF961 for become the King of Torque
I pretty sure it has a battery isolator, you might want to look at it closer....
Also wished you would have tested it with a larger battery, the 5AH is pretty small on that tool, still mighty impressive. I think DeWalt is insane for not offering this with a 3/4 inch anvil
There is one. Torque Test Channel pointed it out when they disassembled it.
if you look at the nose cone, its machined out for a bigger anvil. I think they are releasing the 1/2 as they will sell them more then a 3/4. I want a 3/4 drive as well. Almost converted my 900 to a 3/4 drive.
If it has one, that just shows how much vibration is still getting through.
@@BBBB-ld1io You're good.
I suspect you'll just destroy adapters then. Which is cheaper but still not ideal
@@BBBB-ld1iothere's also thr issue with loss of power with adapters
But more so, the 1/2 adapter just csnt take this abuse for long.
Just bought mine the other day, haven't used it yet but notice it's a big beast. Lol
I'll be keeping my DCF 900 for tight jobs.
DeWalt is the emperor.
With the current technology you can’t go wrong with just about most of the electric stuff put out. Pick your band and be happy.. I’m a Milwaukee guy but if one likes Dewalt, great pick as well… thank goodness for technology and choice because we all win💯
Looks like you used a standard 5ah I’m curious what the power stack or bigger capacity batteries would have gotten out of that.
You should do a test with the 9 amp flex volt battery to see if the motor is power hungry
What grade and size of bolt are you using for the last, largest size?
I am confused how you can get to the torque numbers shown, on bolts that size, especially with them lubricated. That should be permanently deforming the bolts as far as I am aware. Happy to be proven wrong though.
Where do you get your sockets ? And what would yall recommend for everyday use socket brand ?
Man this tool should loose Honda crankshaft pulleys without any problem..Love it
I will be trying this shortly on a B16
Thank you for this detailed video, including the part about wrench mode ..
Can you test it with a 5ah power stack or 9ah flexvolt?
Can you try a different batteries like 6amp XR or a 9amp flexvolt?
The Milwaukee 2967 was 200 ft-lbs less in your tests. However, the Milwaukee is considerably smaller; it has full LED lighting around the anvil, which is far superior to the LED lighting mounted on the battery, and it has a rubber shock mount on the battery to protect the circuit boards in the battery. The Milwaukee is also lighter than the DeWalt. The Milwaukee 2967 made it to 2400 ft-lbs in this test. The 2967 also carries a 5-year warranty, the DeWalt only has a 3-year warranty. Finally, the Milwaukee is MUCH more comfortable to use as far as vibration compared to the DCF961 - you can tell that the DCF 961 just beats the hell out of the user in these tests.
So, if sheer torque power is the only thing you're looking for, then the DCF961 is your choice. It wins the raw torque test, but not by much. It is an animal by any definition. But then, the Milwaukee 2967 is a beast also. I own the 2967 and it is scary powerful. Considering all of the advantages I have listed for the 2967, it is hands-down a better impact wrench than the DCF961. It is more comfortable to use, better built, smaller, shorter and lighter, it has a superior ring LED light, it fights the user less than the DCF961 (vibrates less) and it has a 5-year warranty. All that and it is only 200 ft-lbs less in torque. You will only see the difference between 2400 ft-lbs and 2700 ft-lbs if you are working on very heavy machinery. Nothing in your everyday cars and trucks will ever require anything close to what both of these impact wrenches can do.
With all that in mind, the Milwaukee is the superior choice for the vast majority of people in my opinion. And it is possible with the new larger Forge batteries coming out, it will make up that gap of 200 ft-lbs it is behind the DCF 961.
I recently used the 2967 to replace the front and back shocks on my 4-wheel drive Toyota Tacoma and frankly, it's a monster. It's so powerful that I was afraid to use it to tighten any of the bolts on my drive assembly. In its lowest setting, it puts out something like 650 ft-lbs of torque to tighten bolts at its lowest setting. As far as loosening bolts, none of the large bolts on the upper and lower control arms and drive assembly even challenged the power of the 2967. As I used it, I had a sense that it would probably sheer the bolt in two if it couldn't loosen it. Whether that's true or not, I don't know because all of the bolts easily came loose. The 22 mm lug nuts on my truck were not even a challenge, and that is one of the main things I bought this wrench for. I hate having to mess with cheater bars and ratchets to take off lug nuts. So, I am very happy with the Milwaukee 2967 impact wrench and can heartily recommend it.
Lol, you sure know what your talking about!!
This just became my favourite YT channel. Thank you so much for your comprehensive reviews, you’ve saved me time and money and now I can make an informed decision
1/2 anvil is going to break next 1” anvil is used on 1500lbs for a reason
Great review, can you please also test makita xgt hight torque 3/4? Really want to see how it compares.
With this much power 1/2” drive really is maxed out, ss he shows the socket he was using already had considerable wear. All manufacturers need to start selling a 3/4” drive to better transfer power, and 3/4” also comes from factory with retaining ring hole.
Now imagine what it would do with the 5ah Power Stack or 10ah XR battery?
6ah xr packs or the 9ah flex volt packs are the best packs dewalt makes.
10ah pack is very weak for its size, it basically has the same power as regular 5ah packs. 6ah and 9ah packs are the best
And I thought my DCF900 was a beast, this one is Godzilla. WOW very impressived DeWalt.
Did the torque test channel guess the model name right or ?
Curious what the 5ah powerstack or a higher amp hour battery could do. Maybe 2,800
love my DCF 961! its a ridiculous powerhouse! waiting for the 3/4" version.... showed up Milwaukee guys a few times for a change lol, not that im dedicated to a single brand, but I have 4
DeWalt chargers, and 11 batteries. IMO buy the tools you have batteries for
Mine is already on order!
Can’t blame you
All about having the right tool for the right job does everyone need this tool no most people this is way more power than they actually need but are there some people who actually might need this much power probably depending on what they doing what they need it for regardless it’s good that there is a wide range to fit Everyone’s needs
Damn i just bought a dcf900... but man, im gonna have to get one of these too now lol
Same, i just got mines a month ago and after hearing rumors i see this video upload. I might just use the 900 on my left hand and the 961 on the right.
@5MURF0 I bought the 900 for the house and took the previous model to work... but now it seems I'll have to keep the 900 in my off road tool box and the 961 at home lol
Without changing the battery pack. Insane
Would you perform a torque test on the HF 1/2 and 3/8? Thanks for the info on Dewalt and Milwaukee! We work on semi trailers, and have been changing tires with the battery guns, since Snappy came out with a deep 33mm 1/2 socket. Pilot nuts only torque to 450ft lbs. Thanks for your info!
FYI, it does have a battery isolator. You'll notice the battery cradle moves independently of the tool ever so slightly.
Wow, how much higher does your lion gun go?
Hi Tim, I like your reliable tests videos,
The one here couldn't break free 2700 ft-pounds, I think it would be very interesting to try at 2650 - like in all test, when it approaches the max, it is certainly even more reliable and more precise feedback to jump to half figures like 950 (in the case of 891), and 1250, 1300, 1350 with your usual reference of max 10 seconds in this way we can, based on your test, have a real max
Thank you for your efforts
Take care
dEWALT SURELY WAITED FOR MILWAUKEE TO SHOW THEIRS FIRST
@shoptoolreviews Do you think it'll surpass 2,600 ft-lbs with a Powerstack 5Ah or a FlexVolt even so? Just curious, its still insanely powerful with a reg 5Ah battery
Very neat to watch, but I wondered what is the purpose of something like this. Somebody mentioned oil well work, after that maybe large earth moving equipment, large trucks, maybe the bolts that hold up street signal supports? Would they ever be used on construction sites for assembly of steel structures? FWIW, at over 2000 foot pounds I thought the bolt or the tool would break.
The listed torque is 1700ft, and I’ve seen it on a Dino only doing 940 on a 15sec run. what thread pitch you running and how often is your torque gun calibrated? Its unreal I hope this isn’t staged would be a real game changer
Two totally different torque testing procedures and both are reliable. You're welcome to ask the other party as well. TTC uses a pneumatic pressure that's translated into a guestimated amount of torque. They use a tightening method in both their forward and reverse procedure, They just use a left-hand threaded bolt for the reverse test. Tightening torque will ALWAYS be less than bolt-removal or loosening torque.
We use a method of using actual nuts and bolts for testing. We use HYTORC Torque Tools that have a very high degree of accuracy and they are calibrated to spec. These torque tools cost several thousands of dollars each. We use hardened fasteners and washers with the most threads per inch that are available. These fasteners are inspected and maintained before each test. It's not uncommon to replace fasteners after just a few rounds of these High Torque monsters.
We also grease these fasteners. This is to ensure that we achieve both quantitative and qualitative results. In others, we need to have repeatable results, not some anomaly. Our goal is to ALWAYS tell the truth. Yes, we make mistakes, we're not perfect, and there's only been one perfect man to ever walk this earth. However, we also admit it when we miss the mark or make a mistake.
Amen. Jesus Christ, the way, the truth, the life
@@austineaton8038The way and truth and life to what?
That tool is a beast!
The high torque is in low speed or high speed? Please
Why noy try a flexvolt or 5ah powerstack? Missed opportunity
Hey Tim, my dcf900 is a beast I can only imagine what this animal will do,
Stick with your 900. It’s still more than enough for a 1/2” impact. This 961 will knock the fillings out of your teeth.
wow.... tech is amazing these days
I’d like to see what kind of power this thing would make with either a 5ah powerstack or a flex volt 12ah battery.
Everyone knows the 6amp battery is the best option for this thing is amazing omg going to get one.
I wonder if the powerstack and flex volt batteries could help it break 3000
Weird he didn't bother to test them right. Yet he made sure he put that Forge on the 2967 when it maxed out with the 5ah 😂. It's kinda like when he had the Kobalt mid torque best the 891. 🤔
@@acooper56 I have the Milwaukee 2967 but I'm heavily vested in Milwaukee power tools but it will be good to see an electric impact breaking 3,000
So what power level does precision wrench mode have? 1, 2, or 3?
I wonder if flex volt battery or/and powerstack make bigger numbers?
That power is CRAZZYY
The power is INSANE but I am really worried about 1/2" sockets holding up. I think this is gonna eat them alive. People really going to need the lifetime warranty on their sockets is my guess.
Where to buy this tool he is using to tighten nuts or how it’s called ?
Just bought a DCF900 for my job as an auto tech. Hasn't been stopped yet but maybe I'll get this for the big rigs lmao.
Could you test the kobalt xtr again now you have a higher torque gun?
You should try this with different batteries, 5ah ps, 6ah, 9ah flex volt
I'm glad you said that, yes, that's actually too much power for a half inch drive.
Milwaukee sent one too many shots across dewalts bow and dewalt replied with a torpedo
As soon as Dewalt decides to make a flex volt 1 inch drive impact its over for all the other tool brands
Not really, xgt model is still more powerful than this one and their 1" model is coming
19:21
It does have a battery dampening.
It’s also funny how you didn’t switch to the flex or power stack batteries?
I caved and bought one this week
At this point is not about break away power but more of “How much can your hand, wrist, arm and shoulder, take !!! Anything beyond 2700 in a “compact” 1/2 (compared to other brands 1” tools) will not be good to use for long periods of time !!! This thing is a MONSTER 🔥🔥🔥
People saying this should be 3/4in drive only, i disagree. Should they make 3/4 version for diesel mechanics? Sure. The 3/4 sockets' drive end would last longer. But 1/2in would have wider range of socket sizes available. Make sure your sockets have lifetime warranty!😂. Also the 1/2 would be more powerful and shorter when using a smaller sized socket that is only available in 1/2drive, vs a 3/4 using a reducer to allow it to use a 1/2drive socket. Anytime you use a reducer with impacts it has a parasitic loss of torque at socket. Also yhe Torque Test Channel is great, but could be better. I wish he would list hammer weights and impacts per minute, as well as dynamic torque and sound level for all the impacts. The dynamic torque is how hard each hammer impact is turning the anvil. I think the max torque ends up higher than dynamic because if the hammer hits again while the fastener is still turning/vibrating, the "sliding friction" is less than "static" friction. Imagine this example, the bolt breakaway torque is usually higher than the torque you tighten something to. Same idea. Real Tool Reviews experimented with testing dynamic torque, he tested the Earthquake 1/2 vs 3/4in drive impacts, the dynamic torque of the 3/4 was 900something ft lbs, basically double the dynamic of the 1/2dr. I think the dynamic may be more important than max torque in the real world. Im guessing locktite and rust prevent the bolt/nut from vibrating much, and this tight bond makes it harder to break free with impact. If the dynamic torque is too low to get that rusted fastener to vibrate enough, the impact shouldn't be able to take it off. You could have 2 impacts with same max torque, but one has more dynamic. The one with more dynamic would take off more nuts/bolts.
I wish DeWalt would go back to the slide selector. I am not to fond of the touch pads. Nice video.
hoping they come out with one with the leds around the anvil like the 921, milliwakees high torque is like that too
@12:59 observe the battery movement. I thought it should be well fitted.
king kong and fay wray have about the same relationship i'd imagine this thing has with 1/2" sockets
Definitely a monster!!! My old rigid high torque is 1500 ft-lbs breakaway 1100 tightening !!
This is claiming...not the reality
Been nice to see what it could do with a bigger battery, like you did with the Milwaukee.
Team yellow here, this thing is a beast. But i feel like it should 3/4 not 1/2 drive. It's gonna destroy sockets.
I think it does have a battery isolator on it.