How Good Are Penn And Teller REALLY?
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- Опубліковано 29 лип 2020
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I have a theory, at the beginning when he "levitates" its actually a cheap trick. Okay so he has completely metal shoes and the table is made from magnets and so is the roof causing a push and pull at the same time thus causing the "levitating" effect.
God dammit how'd you know
My tongue is also in cheek.
You do it, the put it on YT. For me, it could mess with that metal plate in my skull.
This is a really bad theory. The trick is much simpler than magnets.
@@kaalen24 r/whoooooosh..... Lmao
The show "Fool Us" has done more to help launch fellow magicians careers than any other magician or show ever. Pretty much everyone that has had a good performance on their show has seen their careers take off.
Some of my favorite routines by P & T are where they SEEM to be revealing a trick, show a method, then spin it to a surprise twist, hiding the REAL trick with a reveal.
Or the clear cups and balls, where they really do reveal all of it, but do it so well it still works.
Yep. They may not be the best at “magic”, I don’t know if they are or aren’t.
But they are among the best showmen in the business. And those types of acts are a key part of their showmanship.
Absolutely. They say they are liars. They lied, they show how they lied. Now we're gonna lie again. Then WHAM! It was a totally different lie.
That is showmanship.
My favorite are the ones where they fool just one person and rest of the audience can see how.
I love both, Penn is surprisingly smart, he tries to downplay himself as a big dumb guy, but he is anything but dumb. Teller is just freaking genius, I think that Teller is probably the most knowledgeable magician today.
And they both are at the frontier of ethics in magic, they really go beyond the norm when it comes to ethically deceiving people. And what I especially love about them is, that they are living proof of the fact, that audience can enjoy (at least some) tricks more, when they understand how the trick is done and how skilled the magician must be to pull it off. I suspect it is influenced by Penn's juggling past, because no one thinks that jugglers use magic, and you can easily recognise good juggler if he juggles more things than the other juggler (or more dangerous things, or several different things). Their version of clear cups and balls is perfect example. There is a lot of meh magicians when it comes to cups and balls, but there are some great ones, who understand, that it is not just about the method. It is about entertaining the audience. It is about misdirection at just the right time. It is about the surprise pay out at the end. And even if someone knows the method, they can still be amazed by the skill and sleight of hand of real expert.
The danger in the act has a moral component: has the audience signed up for that danger? Penn & Teller's shows are safe forums where you can just relax and nothing bad will happen. When we watch parkour videos, we're signing up for something going wrong, and I think that the performer has a responsibility to the audience to let them know that it's real and could go wrong, so the audience can consent to the distress caused by things going wrong. I respect Penn & Teller for their stance, as I know they are cheating when doing dangerous looking stuff. It's a different facet of their honesty.
"I will levitate over this table in 3.. 2.. 1.." LOL genuinely giggled dude, that was good!!
Haha glad you enjoyed :)
@@EduardTodor lol definitely did, btw if I remember correctly when Penn and Teller started out they were a 3 person act, it wasn't just Penn and Teller they had a third guy with them then when he left them they re-branded their name to simply Penn and Teller instead of their act's original name that escapes me at the moment, idk thought you might be interested in knowing about that
I think it was called asparagus country club or something
@@miamimagicians the asparagus valley cultural society with Chrisemer
I enjoy magic for the skill of the operator, even if I know (and occasionally spot) how they do it or if they show exactly how it is done, the skill of the performance and ingenuity of the design is what is truly amazing. Knowing just increases the appreciation of the skill, because usually, I still cannot see them do it.
"Penn & teller's Bullshit" is an actual show. Episodes are hard to find but I love the show lol. I recommend it to ppl if you dont know about it already :)
They are the first magicians that really impressed me.
I gotta say in regards to their "we only perform safe tricks" thing... I think you misunderstood or at least mis-explained the part they think is unethical.
They only do safe tricks. They tell everyone that. For two reasons: 1.) Nobody tries to emulate the trick in an unsafe way. Like... They've done a bullet catch trick. Knowing that they wouldn't do a trick that could go awry, you won't think you can literally learn to catch a bullet.
ALSO... it's not so much the audience would be complicit (though I know Penn has said that, I think he's choosing a poor word). It's that the audience could be traumatized.
He thinks it's immoral to put people in that position.
And some people say "well other magicians say the trick is dangerous and turn away if you would be upset" or whatever. But those same magicians will say "watch me make this thing magically levitate." So the audience doesn't necessarily believe them when they say the trick is dangerous.
They assume it's... A trick.
Skydiving and parkour doesn't require suspension of disbelief. So they're fine to do their act because everyone KNOWS it could go bad.
With magic, the audience BELIEVES they're about to be deceived. They can't fully understand a stunt is real. They assume there's a lever or a mirror somewhere making it safe.
Late reply, but I wanted to say that was very well put.
They're cups and balls with foil and clear cups is my favorite version. You should do one of these on "The Amazing Johnathan"
The Amazing Johnathan does my favorite zombie ball routine. It's hilarious.
My favorite thing about Penn and Teller is their dedication to magic as a real and true form of art and philosophy.
Even to this day, at their age, i'm always astounded by the energy they have. Even in the most simple trick, Penn goes full on enterteiner and doesn't stop xD
Hi eduard! i love this series of yours where you talk about other magicians trying to be objective, its awesome
also, i dont know if u accept sugestions about next mages but i would really like to see you talking about piff the magic dragon
Thank you! Ooh piff is a GREAT one
A lot of magicians sell their magic. Penn and Teller sell themselves.
Very true!
Love the content ! I would really enjoy to see more footage of the magicians (screen is full of dark space) to support your points throughout these videos, helps when we don't know specific acts or moments you're speaking about. I know it's more time editing your video though ! ;)
Thank you! I try to add relevant clips in there but good to know you like that feature!
I know you’ve talked about Shin on the channel before, but could you do a video like this on him. Why is he so good.
How good is shin lim really would be interesting to listen to. I mean with all the titles he has (fism 2013, foolus 2 time fooler, agt, agt champions etc.)he has earned a lot of respect from me and probably other magicians too. The style he has with dramatic music and visual magic has actually inspired me to start magic.
btw will you stream again like you once did ?
Good idea! Might do!
Hey! You went with my suggestion! Too cool! Thank you so much!
The beginning was great! Made me laugh :). Loving the vids ed, loving the new kind of content as well. Keep it up!
Thanks! Will do!
What you dont ackowlrdge that Penn and Teller do, is they admit they cant walk as fine a line on things now as they used to. They have almost 50 years of doing this and they cant physically do some of tricks they used to. In past, Penn would deliberatly let some of tricks be 'caught' as part of a greater trick.
As Penn likes to quote "Its easy to be great. Anyone can be great q out of 10 times. Its hard to be gooz 100 times in a row."
Or something to that effect.
I only can hope that Penn or Teller watches this and react to it :) Or, even better, they invite you on their show to perform your outstanding levitation trick :)
Anything is possible when you possess such powers of self levitation 😂❤
As someone who loves magic and has dabbled a bit but doesn’t have the dexterity to do slight of hand or the commitment to improve it, I prefer a magician that I know exactly what he is doing but I’m unable to actually follow it and see him do it to one where I have no clue. A magician like D.K where I can see most of what he is doing but he does it perfectly, I’m more impressed with that.
i think you nailed it, in terms of your assessment of penn and teller. that moral quandary about dangerous tricks that penn talks about always made me wonder because he does juggle broken bottles. are they just prop glass?
Would love this video series on Juan Tamariz and Dani DaOrtiz as well!
Damn, I was watching fool us, pen was saying something and then your notification popped up! I right away clicked on yours! ❤
By the way Great intro man!
Miss the old reaction days!
Are any reactions coming up in the future?
Thanks man! Possible, I'm really enjoying making these new vids atm though!
I see you testing out your show here on UA-cam. Very good eduard. I can tell it’s a show I am gonna wanna go and sit in on. Respect
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I like this breakdown series. Well done. I just subscribed and rang the bell.
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Great vdo , totally agree with what u pointed out , would u do some videos on some like top 5 underground magicians who r super skilled super great thinkers but don't perform that much but whose discovered principles are used by numerous professionals
Great idea!
Eduard.. On a Completely unrelated topic..
We would love some JiuJitsu Moves tutorial.. Iknoe theres a lot on utube.. But would wanna learn from u.. I like how u breakdown stuffs,been followin u for bout 3 to 4 years now😅
That was your best intro ever bro 🤣 I love that effect with the floating ball but I might bite that “levitation.” I’ll call it “The Todor Effect” 😂
😂😂 thank you!
The video of the parcour guys jumping into a river is in my hometown ^^ funny seeing that in here
Haha thats dope
Love your content. Agree I love that they show it's a trick and not magic. I takes practice and time and sometimes money, and sometimes a lot of money to preform You be you.
Something to think about. One of the best discussions I ever had with my mom was that I was using filler words when talking. I was using "like" a ton more than you were in this video. Stop for a second and gather your thoughts, it also gives that person or persons (and yes I believe in this context although I hate the fact that persons even exists as a word is correct) time to catch up with your thoughts and a possible rebuttal. At the same time you can gather your thoughts and engineer how you word something to dissuade and, or prove your point.
Just my two cents, but I do believe a pause in your content would make me think more than filler words.
Yeah it's something I definitely need to work on, thank you!
Im waiting for a daniel madison💖💖
Also man.....your doing dope these days.
Have you seen them explaining misdirection using a chicken and a gorilla😂😂.... hilarious yet mind blowing.
You totally nailed it explaining why Penn and Teller are so successful.
Fantastic channel! @eduard Todor, have you ever seen Derren Brown? I'd love to hear your insights into his technique
Thank you! Yep he's on the list :)
@@EduardTodor Thanks, I've read his books and seen him multiple times, I think he's a genius. I get the idea that he openly explains his effects by citing psychological methodology...I'm skeptical and think it's just trickery, would be great to hear your take
Nice format, thank goodness you didn't break a leg.😊😊
I think (if I remember correctly) that Penn's objection to David Blaine is that Penn said that Blaine is not really risking his life, but he makes it looks like he really actually is.
I think it was Penn's objection was he was claiming he was risking his life. They admit they don't do anything with much risk, at the start the show. They believe that it is unfair and abuse to cause the audience to chance seeing a horrific accident.
Btw... maybe do a breakdown on David Blaine?? (I apologize if you've already done him. I've only seen the Richard Turner one)
Already done check my latest vids :)
That flip over the table was hilarious
😂
He did not even levitate over the table
Maybe you could do a video on 'Does real magic exist?'
Your zombie looks very nice where’d you get that cloth ??
Thanks! I ordered material off aliexpress and sewed it myself
I'm loving these videos. Keep them coming!
But I must say that you SHOULD consider including "in my opinion" in the title to avoid offending just anyone.
Edit:- This is just my personal opinion 😁
Eh I'm not too worried about offending people, what they gonna do, throw cards at me?😂 In all seriousness I think I'm always respectful in my analysis for those who deserve it, if someone misinterprets it thats on them. I appreciat the concern and your support bro ❤
@@EduardTodor ✌
6:56 is where Eduard switched it up on the fly to not get demonitized. Real magic right there.
hahaha
I like P&T but gravitate much more to Channing Pollock Lance Burton etc. I think that's what is great about magic is there is room for all styles of performance.
David Copperfield to me is head and shoulders above all other contemporary magi. GOAT
How about going old skool for the next one, I put forward Alex Elmsley, most will know his count, but I'm expecting very few to know the man himself.
I love this how good series maybe next time Juan Tamaris or Dani da Ortiz
I agree. They respect their audience, so we respect them. Very fun to watch. You too.
i think those guys build their glory by years and experiences thats wt make them unbeatable ! also its them carrier with pation and intelligence.
EDUARD TODOR, Watch Mojo makes a video that ranks the top 10 Magician of all time. Penn and Teller is like rank 3 if I remember correctly.
For you what rank is Penn and Teller all time?
Hmm All time? Possibly. Top 10 magicians that are alive? Yeah I'd say they're up there for SURE.
Hey Ed, but here’s something else. in the book Maximum Entertainment, Ken stresses the idea of you being always above your spectator. i believe he says that you need to be like ‘Superman’ to them. so does that mean he’s wrong? kinda tricky question isn’t it? haha
Good question. I think Ken is talking about performing at the highest level: you want the audience to see you as superman, if you're ordinary then why would they watch you? I believe PnT come across that way despite their authenticity. Even the stuff they reveal is complex and they deliver it extremely well.
Eduard Todor yep good argument and totally agree with you on that one!! thanks :))
Id say my first introduction to a magical act that impressed me was Lance Burton.
Too many people have been doing How good are They type of thing, ---time to get back to your magic Eduard and lets see how good are YOU!!!---------------PEACE.
I bought this on Amazon. Anti gravity device. Paid like 4 grand but, can use two times. Reloads are 1000 each. Nice work bro
😂 thanks dude
That zombie ball... 😐
Considering safety. If Blaine is doing this for real, and Penn and Teller do seemingly dangerous thing, what’s the difference to the audience? If you wanted to do the exact same thing as Blaine, but make it 100% safe, you could make them indistinguishable. So for example: if Blaine did P&T’s bear trap routine for real, would it be different for the audience? Probably not. The only difference is framing. Blaine is known to push the envelope a little bit by doing something crazy and undeniably real, but nonetheless impossible. While P&T tend to let on that it’s all a trick even if it seems real. So as far as the audience perception, it’s virtually the same, some people will believe it’s real, while some are more skeptical. Same with every show. But regarding the ethics of it ACTUALLY being real? That’s a tough one.
The difference is that pnt make a big deal to tell the audience it's not dangerous. Otherwise there'd be no difference. They still use the emotional triggers to make you wonder.... but in the back of your mind you know it's "bullshit". With david... it's the opposite lol
Eduard Todor I’d disagree about P&T. I’d say they put it in the audiences mind to distrust them in a playful sense. And Blaine does the antithesis of that. But they both do seemingly dangerous things with a caveat or two. If you took transplanted their routines to another magician, it would be perceptively different, but dangerous nonetheless. The dangerousness is inherent to the trick.
You are obviously talking from the perspective of an American audience. Paul Daniels was introducing a comedic aspect to illusions back in the 80's in the UK.
How soon is your appearance on Penn and Teller Fool Us?
And you rocked it
Thanks dude!
You're trolling of Fake Magicians, hint hint, was great bro. Long time Subscriber, great Job.
Thanks man!
What an intro!
Thank you!
That demon magic levitation is great. Sorry to hear you had to sell your soul for such a fantastic trick.
Worth it
Eric chien and micheal Vincent next and also Jeff mcbride?
I don't agree with you about risking your life to do something. I feel it's almost the same as doping. You are risking ur own life to do something "better" or different. I understand that doping is cheating, but is there really a difference in it? After all, if you are using doping, you are going an extra mile ahead that most people won't go, and that's the same principle as risking your life with some dangerous magic trick.
Interesting perspective. I'd argue that doping is regulated to stop giving people an unfair advantage in competition. Art is not really competitive in the same way.
Eduard Todor I would also argue David Blaine isn’t actually putting his life on the line. I figured out that ice pick thing watching him on Rogan and the now my reality is crumbling lol.
Darren Brown next 👌🏾
How good are penn and teller really... answer is very good... so entertaining
Short answer: yes!. Loved the intro tho that must of hurt.
Thank you, I'm pretty good at falling haha
How good is Shin Lim?
Penn and a teller are going places.
😂 they've gone places and arrived
Ok ok ok, I think I know the levitation trick is done. There is actually an invisibly rope attached to the ceiling holding him up
How good is Dani Da ortiz really ?
It's not about making the audience feel guilty, it's about not wanting to cause potential trauma to the audience. Witnessing someone get seriously hurt or die before your own eyes can cause trauma, that's a simple fact.
So your 'research' was listening rmto any intervirw Penn has given in last 45yrs to learn his and Tellers history? How long did that take? 5, 6 min? And that includes loading youtube and searching penn and teller then watching the video 3 times?
I'd love to hear your take on the topic. Post a video :)
@@EduardTodor I dont have a 'take' of facts. I was just pointing out that in your vid you aact like it was some super, secret unknown information. Only its been mentioned in almost every interview its ever been done, Penn refers to himself as carny juggler trash and Teller being the student and philosopher of magic. Its not something new the way you seemed to hint at. Anyone with a browser can find an interview from any month from any of last 45yrs or so where Penn talks about this.
At what point did I say it's unkown secret info?
@@EduardTodor you dindt say it was secret but you imply it was hard to find information by the use of 'research' and the way you phrased what you were saying. It comes across as though it was something that you had to spent a lot of time and effort to find the information.
Nothing wrong with what you were saying, just came across a little.... awkward.
Same thing with other info. It comes off like you are revealing new, unknown info about their crew but Penn and Teller have talked openly about habing a team working with them fir at least 30 tears now. Back on first tv special they did in 8ps, they bring it up.
@@marcelmoreau2733 I don't see it that way at all. I'm simply stating my opinions. Not sure how else one would do that. Thanks for your input!
The reason why I sort of quit doing magic is that I wasn’t very good and the best magicians couldn’t teach anyone cause that’s what THE RULES say to do.
Hmm sounds like you were knocking about with the wrong crowd. I teach anyone that genuinely wants to learn.
Eduard Todor i mean it’s such a closed thing (at least from my experience). The whole atmosphere of magic is sort of not telling people anything and I don’t like it
@@noidea5106 yeah you gotta hang around with cooler magicians haha. Sometimes if its an orgininal thing some wont reveal but honestly most people are super cool
Eduard Todor even if they are super cool, there is no other hobby were there are secrets like in magic. I don’t like secrets.
Bunty McCunty the whole « atmosphere » of not telling how you did it is wat I really dislike. (plus i was pretty bad at sleight of hand )
You have to go back to james randi influence ... I personally watched Pen and teller as a kid because magic trick education wasn't easy to get
Piff the magic dragon
I doubt anyone's sitting around waiting for you to tell us how good two of the best magicians in the world are, buddy.
and yet... you're here
I mean, his videos reacting to other magicians' performances are very well watched and popular. So, yeah. Him sharing his opinions on other magicians seems to be something that many people like hearing.
It's weird, I think that some of their effects are astonishing - Teller's ball and hoop and his version of Miser's Dream in particular. Really beautiful magic. And the ring magic for a single person in front of a whole audience is one of my favourite tricks of all time.
But when they do less unique stuff, it falls flat. I think their card tricks, even leaving aside the shoddy handling, are generally terrible.
And there's a huge difference between telling your audience that you don't really have powers, which most magicians do, and actually revealing how the tricks are done, which I think is disrespectful to the magicians working the streets and restaurants. Maybe it makes your show better, but it makes their show a lot worse.
I can see that too. I think there has to be a balance. Then again cups and balls is literally the oldest trick in the book...
Who are you? Where have I seen you before?
Probably seen one of my 300 odd reaction videos 😂
I disagree with the danger in the act :
an artist will not perform a dangerous act with no one watching (compared to street parkour) so by watching him you give the magician a (small) reason to do it. But that's minor reason.
If you pay to see it as an audiance, you are giving that person a reason to put his life in danger (that is where you don't want to be as an audiance, espeally with magic where it is not flagged "dangerous", it is flagged "magic" : everything is supposed to be lies , even the dangers)
If an event invite you to perform that trick with people arround (like in a con), are they asking you to put your life in danger ? Do they know it is dangerous and you could die in the process or did they just read the sign that say "Magic". They don't know how your magic is done. They may think you have a way to breath is that barrel.
I think it is not moral to advertise something as magic if it is dangerous and people don't know it. (Because magic is supposed to be about lying, fake danger and crafted stuffs)
Nope. Not buying it. Blaine wouldn't have considered doing that trick without you watching. Just before it starts you can see him checking in with the guys he's got following you to make sure you were paying attention.
If you've been doing it for 40 years I think they know what their doing. lol.
Word. Although there are some people.... 😂😂
What are your views on religion then. It's like magic only you're supposed to be fooled.....
I grew up very religious but broke away from it. I think it can help some people but it also does harm. Personally I prefer using reason as an approach instead of believing what some guy wrote down a while back.
@@EduardTodor nice one..
Hey bro did I ask?
Yes
A solid 10 minutes of this video is just you repeating "making people thing magic is real is immoral" over and over again to pad run time. We got you the first time.
Disliked as soon as he jumped over the table and now I'm leaving.
umad brah
@@EduardTodor always
I got bored with them after about ten minutes and that was before I heard Penn ranting like a 2-year-old having a tantrum (libertarian). They bore the hell out of me.