Tom Dwan Finally Agrees to Pay
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Update - Tom Dwan has agreed to pay all of the claimed debts by Peter Jetten after arbitration. This video covers his shaky responses to the several unpaid debt claims made by other poker players.
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This follow-up video took FAR longer than expected due to how difficult the interviews were to get through haha enjoy... #grumpy
First to speculate about this comment!
Great work!
I watched the entire interview over on Nick's vlog, and I too am on the fence. Tom was entirely unforthcoming in his diatribe about his debt woes. The entire interview provided no conclusion to any of his accused debts, and I'm still at the same point, mentally, I was at before the interview, what a waste of everyone's time! 👍😎✌🗽
In the dim-lit room where shadows play,
Tom Dwan lingered, debts to repay.
But Gramma, a figure with tales untold,
Stood firm and resolute, fearless and bold.
A gangster's guise, with a heart of steel,
Gramma approached, with a silent appeal.
Tom Dwan quivered, his bravado gone,
As Gramma's presence lingered on.
"Settle your debts," Gramma's voice rang clear,
A warning to heed, a reckoning near.
For in the world of cards and bets,
Debts unpaid lead to deep regrets.
Tom Dwan, once defiant, now faced his fate,
As Gramma's gaze left him in a state.
With a nod and a gesture, he conceded defeat,
His debts settled, his honor complete.
For in the realm of poker's sway,
It's not just about the games we play.
It's about honor, respect, and trust,
And facing one's debts, no matter the cost.
Tom is so good at bluffing not even he knows if he is telling the truth. What a legend.
Like a cop
Vertucci is a real life Doctor Evil, stroking his cat during the interview.
lol
😂😂 hes the type of dude u send out for some cocaine and he ends up in a hotel with ur chick and the drugs lol
Hilarious
you can learn a lot about a man by the way he strokes his cat
@internetguyfromtheinternet that's what SHE said😂
Tom is a scammer dude, 12years and no payment?
What if you had your own friends and emotional life to participate in? Do you think you'd still be here getting performatively angry about the debts of total strangers?
@@meepk633 What if you had your own friends and emotional life to participate in? DO you think you'd still be here getting performatively angry about the YT comments of toatal strangelers?
@@notesfrommateriality7572 What if you had your own friends and emotional life to participate in? Do YOU think you'd still be here getting performatively angry about the YT comment of a total stranger that is a response to another youtube comment of a total stranger?
Yeah!, he’s definitely deep in debt….and you have to be nice to him to get your money back!
Don't bite the hand that feeds you
Apparently hes just as good at bluffing his opponents off felt as he is on the felt.
So you borrow money and then not pay them back until they get justifiably upset about not being paid back, and then you can just refuse to pay them back for being so "uncool"?
This is how weasels operate. They will always make you out to be the bad guy.
That’s the gist of it from what I can tell
Dwan has gone down hill, he has double bags under his eyes permanently and is probably full Degen status. Stimulants and poker all hours of the day chasing a rush whether he loses or wins. GG Durr you fell for the professional gambler meme
Dwan is a cool guy. He shouldn't have to pay IMO. Not if Peter's being a dick.
@newlyborncorn If you borrow money, you pay it back. It's that simple. Even if you borrow money from a dick. That dick lent you money, didn't he?
Tom Dwan is a perfect example of why I'll NEVER loan money that I'm not willing to NEVER see again or that I wouldn't be willing to just gift. Because there is usually only a 10% chance you'll ever see that money again.
The 5 bucks you have to loan
I can't imagine someone owing me 400 grand, winning 3.5 million, and me letting them walk away without them paying me every penny back.
They could walk away but they'd be walking to the hospital-if they could still walk that is.
Tom definitely didn't win 3.5 million though. He likely only had a very small piece of the action so only actually won a small portion of that large pot.
@@ashotofconfidencemusic5819Yeah, then it gets complex. If he'd paid off H next to him, he would have peed off his backers, right? But then he could also have just lied about how much he'd been backed to stop H claiming back his $400k there and then, rt?
Clearly you don’t understand makeup or the many flaws in Jettens statements.
I don't understand the makeup though, so he owes Tom over 1 mill only if he wins but is never winning? I ain't being funny but if he owed me 1 million and then started griping about 250 I'd be pretty pissed off
Tom is a weasel.
Yep, even looks like one
He does seem a weasely
Not by nature, but eventually he developed the private jets and prostitutes lifestyle that put people in debt
@@oreocarlton3343 I am very interested in this lifestyle stuff as regards Dwan. Where do you find stories. I’m no saint myself so it’s not just purience. Thanks
@@simonlong2305 I've read a comment saying that lol, it does check out
The worst part is how he can barely get a sentence out without some pathetic chuckle that makes him come across incoherent.
Stress. Shame. Guilt.
Is Tom's belt buckle also his phone/camera? What kind of angle is that?
It's a Mike Postle fan cam.
😂😂😂😂
"doubt Tom has done anything malicious"
dawg...
This guy is such an ass kisser. It’s ridiculous
0:21 do you owe him 226k?
Dwan: “so…….”
🤦
Tom is a great story to show your kids of why not to gamble.
15" POKER HAAAAARRRRDDD
Eh, he's also one of the greatest cash game players ever...but not a great money manager
it's polarizing, he's in the top 3 live cash player of all time but olso he's a dickhead gambler who plays out of bankroll
Gambling is fine but just make sure you don't make a bet your ass can't cash.
@@binhhuynh5979that's why I always bet my ass
Dwan has gone down hill, he has double bags under his eyes permanently and is probably full Degen status. Stimulants and poker all hours of the day chasing a rush whether he loses or wins. GG Durr you fell for the professional gambler meme
It's called your age starting with a 3 and not a 2. We are all headed the same way, stay humble.
"Well if you're not gonna be nice (by letting me keep avoiding payment and jerking you around forever) then I don't owe you anything"
Dwan is not a stupid guy, he knows that logic is complete and utter bs. You think he's never borrowed money from anyone who was willing to force him to pay? You think he pulled that shit with them?
The reason he's making that argument is that he knows he can get away with it. He's just a standard gambling addict these days, and he should be blacklisted from every casino + poker event until he pays his debts.
Complete BS! He’s just taking advantage of the fact these guys aren’t going to do anything besides talks shit about him
Rule of thumb .. never loan money.
To Tom
@@rickystephenson518 never loan money to a gambler
to anyone thats not your immediate family
If you loan money. Ask for collateral.
Never loan money ever. If your family needs money, give it to them as a gift, and if they pay it back, cool, if they don't that's ok, but they will never get another dime going forward.@@alleneng
I went to Boston University with Tom. Over the short period we were there together he “borrowed” about $4500 from me to gamble online.
Doesn’t seem like much but it was at the time for me as it was about 50% of my net worth.
He always promised to pay me back.
Over and over again.
Until i got completely ghosted when he dropped out.
Never saw or heard from the dude again.
Next thing i know hes winning multi million dollar hands and im still struggling with money to feed my kids
Wow, that's truly awful. Thanks for sharing, what an absolute scumbag. I got strong compulsive liar vibes from him in these recent interviews. Also, deadbeat vibes. Once you've seen one dickhead act like this, it's easy to spot.
Imagine lending 50% of your net worth to
He owes my friend Mickey mouse cause all that money he wins is his!
Unreal. The mob should collect plus interest. This Dwan dude is a scumbag.
Tom finessed you my boy
What grown man uses the word grumpy so often to describe their interactions with other grown men?
Don’t be grumpy
@@AlexDuvall Listening to Tom’s incomprehensible babbling is making me grumpy..
I think grumpy is becoming “ a thing” in poker and other circles
Haralabos body language when Tom is scooping 3.1 million pot is priceless lol
All the high stakes and winning million dollars is a facade, all these guys are backed by rich guys and the high roller players could be just there for TV time. Do not ever risk 100k or million bucks on games. Thats insane. REspect money and play 2/5 or 5/10 for the love of the game
This is the way.
No, that is not true. Jean Robert Bellande is a billionaire, just like Tom Dwan is
Big fucking facts.
After watching this im confident that Tom Dwan is grumpy
Grumpy is one of the nicer things id call him
He should be Trump's VP. Dodge debt.
@@curthennig9448trump is way more honest than Dwan.
@@TraumaER Are you sure? Trump should take up Poker instead of golfing all the time.
@@curthennig9448Tom should replace “Heels up Harris “ as vice president. I’m sure he can do more than just awkwardly laugh at everything lol
Tom "this guy is being a jerk about wanting me to finally pay what I owe so I'm not paying him" lol Wtf, you weren't paying him when he was nice about it either
tl;dr Tom Dwan: "So, yes I borrowed money from you and didn't pay it back for all these years that you've been kindly and privately asking me too, now you're bugging me about it and going public which is annoying as shit, I won't pay you back right now because you haven't shown me proof/accounting of how much I actually owe you, oh and I did promise to back the funds of this other guy but that sure as shit didn't mean anything prove what I owe you and if you don't ask me nicely than f#*k you I don't owe you anything."
Tom is just practicing giving answer to a Senate Hearing Committee on Capitol Hill.
Dwan is a modern day Ungar minus the skill and personality.
The common traits are...????
@@parthenocarpySAdegenerate, dishonest about debts, not as good as advertised long term, bad hygiene, drug use.
@@parthenocarpySAmassive massive drug use
This guy has balls, he decides he doesn't need to pay if the person he told he would payback doesn't act nice? da foq Dwan going all Eric Lindgren
I remember once phill hemsworth said to tom” kid u gonna be broke soon” after a hand showdown
Ya he said “we’ll see if you’ll even be around in 10 years”
Hellmuth was kind of half right.
Dwan is still relevant in poker but not in the way he would have hoped/used to be.
And ya he seems over his head in debt.
He ain't broke though, that's why it is frustrating for these guys he owed money too cause he has the capability to pay, he just don't want to, the high stakes lifestyle consumed him I guess.
If I was owed 1.6m in make up and the guy was bleating about 2-300k then I'd be pissed as well.
You have absolutely no value of money do you. Most people never see ,200 k in their lifetime.
Make up isn't a normal debt. It isn't a normal loan and they should've come to an agreement about what is owed if he stops staking Peter.
Ive been told stories about some of these big time poker players losing big money and then playing 18 -24 hrs straight trying to get the money back
Tom borrowed my girlfriend and called her his wife !
Is this true? Or a joke? If true more details would be fun. If a joke it’s a pretty good one?
It's as if there is a reason why entities draw up written legal contracts when 100s of thousands or even millions of dollars exchange hands for loan purposes.
This whole buying peoples action and lending money is the problem.. if the steaks are too high for you, take it down a notch lol I don’t see why these players are too stubborn to play lower limits with full equity of their money on the table
Stakes*
Please work on NOT sounding monotone. Couldn't finish video because of that issue.
Tom Dwan walking around joking as though it isn't that serious. Perhaps he'd feel different if someone like KGB or Grama gave him a little reminder that payment is due.
Sell his debt to Grandma.
@@D.D.-ud9ztlmao ahahahahaha
Thank you for this contribution
The part that's too cringe for me is, how can you owe a sizable amount, then show up and play at the same table with the guy you owe, as if there is no debt? I'd be way too uncomfortable if I was the guy that owed the money, way too tempted to deposit a boot in the ass if I was the guy that was stuck.
They are very strange people. I'd rather deal with mediocre players like myself who don't deal with getting f'd over by people taking advantage of you. Keep everything on the level
Tom lost his whole bankroll against Chinese poker players while he was in Macau. Tom thought he could beat Chinese poker players ended up losing his whole bankroll.
Why is your second sentence just a synonym for the first sentence? In other words, you only needed one sentence.
Because he is chinese
Same applies to you 😂
hahahahm.... lollll@@DeVinschi
@@MrHahaJayuman😂😂😂 see what he did? 😂😂😂
TBH Tom is one of the last few big name poker players who I would think is in debt or has no integrity. He always seemed solid
Tom Dwan can't pay them because he is broke how he able to pay each of them when he's broke But how they loaned him a money anyways right Bob asked to make a sports betting dunno what exactly their agreement he mentioned that he got in trouble with that he end up losing money because he got investigated
You can't make 2 million on a live stream and not pay back your backers. Obviously, you're gonna look like the bad guy.
Its not as simple as Tom owing ppl, hes disputing these debts
and it seems like hes staking and being free rolled as well, "somewhere in between" is such a cop out, hes probably way closer to the honourable side
I have been playing poker for years, I did take out loans several times. However, I only took loans out if I had enough in my safety deposit box to cover it. Usually when I took out a loan I paid it back within one or two days. Taking out these 6 figure loans seems really insane to me.
Cap
This is crazy to me. You don't clear up those kind of numbers where I come from, then you are straight up going to be taking the room temperature challenge.
Why would you want to reduce your chances of getting your money back to zero?
@@natew8882 In business you inevitably take losses. Rolling a deadbeat up in a blue tarp is a good business decision in that it helps to ensure future losses to be less frequent. "Anybody seen Billy?, haven't seen him in a while..."..."no, me neither. I heard he owed Jimmy and he vanished..".
I watched the HCL interview and it really is not in his best interest to speak for himself. He’s an awkward dude and I think his brain works so differently than everyone else’s and he ends up just making no sense. The more he talks the more he confuses everyone and just digs himself a deeper hole.
Wow. The scumbag calling the kettle black. If I said to someone that I wasn't paying them back unless they were nice about it, I would totally expect them to kick the shit out of me. That's what Tom needs. There is no reason for him to act like this.
I’ve been taking a break from poker since 2019, including watching it or keeping up with poker news, and I knew there was going to be drama with Tom Dwan when I looked him up. Though I figured he’d just be broke. His style of poker isn’t very sustainable
Hellmuth always told him years ago that we'll see where you're at in 20 years kid.
@@curthennig9448 I think I remember hearing him say that, but to be fair, anyone who beats hellmuth gets that speech lol
@@curthennig9448well he made cash poker watchable unlike helmuth
Tom still one of the biggest legends. Dude it's poker, a lot of people lend money to each other.
For example giving Isildur1 a Million when he is on tilt do you think is a good idea?
I don't trust the insight of a man who somehow positions his face to the camera in the most unflattering angles possible.
he'll steal your face right off your head
@@KB-313 Yeah lol. If the thunder doesn't get you, then Durr will.
They all got durrrrrrrred..
It could be Tom Dwan is broke and relies on backers. So only has a small piece of himself in those big games, or he lives a high maintenance lifestyle. So his winnings are barely enough to keep him afloat.
Tom claiming Jungle Man is acting in good faith is hilarious coming from someone that owes Jungle hundreds of thousands still 😂😂😂😂
Sounds like Tom was robbing Peter to pay Paul
Robbing Peter to pay Jungle 😂
Most poker players who don’t have a career to back them just poker end up doing it. Brand Booth , JC Tran, chino Reem several players who has early success before the internet
@@UnknownWarriorZz 😂😂
dude owes dwan 1.4m he owes him 300k, okay then repay 1.1m how is tom dwan in the wrong here.
Look. Top players are super smart. That is why we created basic laws for loan contracts and courts to uphold them. If I say to you, hey, loan me $100K on a handshake, You would laugh in my face. Enough said.
ty Alex for making it clear i was so confused by the amount of people hes in debt too. Tom owes people money end of story. bro cant keep his word its crazy
Dwan will pay back the meat but gets butthurt over the juice, that's the simple answer. If he agrees to the interest, that's 100% on him and he must pay it. Yeah, I understand that oftentimes rates in the gambling world can be quite predatory, but I strongly doubt he's agreeing to those types of terms (such as 5% per month). But if people are loaning money without specifying *_exact_* terms, that's on the guy fronting the loan, even if Tom is taking a while to pay back the principle. Don't loan money if you can't handle business and/or can't communicate well.
I have never seen a comment section complain to this degree. Well done.
Stirring the pot 🍯
Tom Dwan did not age well, he seems like he's has some sort of a condition
Hasn’t aged well at all. It’s been a slow burn from astute genius poker phenom to high stakes gambling addicted degenerate
thiefitis
Tom Dwan is the victim here!! He owes nobody anything. He should sue those weasels for compensatory damages
Hiiiiiii Tom
lmao the saga continues
Sounds like he's been living his whole life off loans from others. No interest, no time limit on repayment, and no beatings.
Its a complicated backing issue
Yes
He looks exactly like a friend i know runs from his debts and people have to keep asking and chasing him for their money this is mess up
Loaning large sums USED to be a norm back in the day before easy access to funds... When cash was at home, invested, or at a bank... Now its Very Very hard to understand how and why gamblers loan large amounts... I understand in private games where cash isnt on the table and debts settled within 3 days, but loaning isn't necessary as much.
I guess I could of seen this coming the way he played 64 off suit back in the day
Now matter how good your run at Poker, long term majority will fail. I'm speaking as a former professional poker player for over 22 years. Hit, invest and run.
Don’t worry about Bob
Any flies on him pay rent
I remember when he and Eric were a team
Back in Wagerstreet days
But then again everyone has dirty laundry in their closets
Tom is an addict. Addicts always find excuses for themselves. Don't play poker, the game is dead anyway. The sites grab too much rake. Real time assistance and collusion is normal in poker nowadays. Don't play. Focus on something else, something more productive, something better.
Typical behavior for someone trying to dodge debt.
Damn Tom didn’t know you had it that bad. You scooped 3 mil at hustler. Just pay your debts bro.
he might just be a certifiable psychopath. I feel bad for Jungleman above all the other guys owed. Jungleman is brilliant at strategy games but his social graces make him such a target to assholes
Anyone that loans Tom Dwan money in the future, only has theirselves to blame.
Good poker players lost all sense of value of money. Its just a tool to play with. This enables them to make huge bluffs and survive swings. So being in debt/ owe money is not a big deal either. Its happens ALL THE TIME. Some weirdo's just likes drama and thats what this is all about. Not money. Its not even a lot of money. 200k in High Stakes Poker Money is like 20$ for a 'Normal NPC Person working a 9 to 5 Wagie'
Tom hates Drama. Get over yourselves. Bunch of desperate Housewives.
I do understand TD argument with P.Jetten though. If you help out a guy plenty of times, and do stack him, and he is in make up for 1.7M, it is definitly a bit scummy of Peter to ask for money out of the buyin deal that generated 250K in buyins or so.
If they were friends, one shouldn't ask for that after getting so much oppurtunities to make money with the money of someone else (Toms money).
Now a staking deal is a pure investment and should be viewed like a rational side field.
And having someone in 1.7M makeup, but not staking him anymore is Toms own problem. You can only claim the makeup if you continue staking.
Reasonable wise Peter Jetten is right. But is it cool to ask for the 250K? I don't think so.
Jetten could only be ethically free from the make up by saying he stops playing poker forever by the way.
What Tom could do is saying: I pay the 250K, but I have the right to stake you in lets say 1-5K tournaments to get the 1.7M in make up back, and do a hardcore contract that specifies every detail and that Jetten can not play poker anywhere anymore if he drops out of the deal.
It could even involve penalties in U$D if Jetten breaks the contract.
This would probably make Jetten his slave for life. The fact that TD is not doing it, shows that he is probably not as bad or mean as many people might think now.
The commentary section is full of subjective phrases and superficial every day Joes minds. They all know and are all super smart.
Did these guys lend Dwan money without a signed promissory note? That is foolish.
he doesnt realize his phone camera is on lol
Since we talking about it Tom owes me $4.54 and 2 sticks of double mint gum. I want my money man! Where’s my money man?
Dude would it kill you to leave tweets up for less than half a second? Whats the point of even showing them if they flash so fast they cant be read?
Man this bums me out, durrr has always been one of my favs.
Yeah same here. He probably has some expensive hobbies like sports gambling and other stupid stuff. If he had just focused on his game he would have gone on to absolutely personify the game of poker, but I guess even that's not enough. We always want more.
Yeah I liked him too. This doesn’t necessarily make him a bad guy. No one knows what’s going on in his life right now. He could be battling addiction or mental illness. The pro poker player lifestyle takes its toll if you’re not taking care of yourself
Not me, those deer in the headlights eyes tells a lot of stories, awkward, untrustworthy, and very slippery!
@@schmuckpuppet4842doesn’t it look like he aged very fast. He looks like a baby in the Hellmuth clip
@@Pluralofvinylisvinyls for sure! I haven't turned on the guy out right or nothing. Just sucks!
So, let me see if I get this straight; this Peter-guy has been staked by Tom, and subsequently lost millions of Tom's dollars. But some of the tournaments he played Tom didn't pay him back the buy-ins yet, and that is what this is about? Right?
bro cant even afford airpods
Wired headphones are better imo.
@@Gladiator22311 youve gotta be over 30
@@Gladiator22311no they're not 😅😅😅😅
@@brickcitybeatdown i said imo dipshit
“Yeah I would’ve paid them back if they weren’t a scumbag about it”…Not paying a debt you said you would and taking an offensive moral high ground bc they asked for it. That dog just don’t hunt Tom. Mmkay?
This was a brilliant summary, thanks for the video !
Don't lend money to gamblers ladies and gentlemen. Or better don't lend money to anyone.
Tom is my favorite poker player. 😊 Sure he should pay whatever he owns, but really, who lends out hundreds of thousands to somebody as volatile as Dwan expecting immediate returns? You'd have to see it as an investment. Sometimes it just doesn't work out.
1. It's time to stop letting people play with borrowed money. If you ain't got the cash - you're not welcome. This should be the general rule in poker. Let's say that you have to have at least twice the networth as the buyin to be allowed to attend. Would sort out a lot of these problems.
2. Makeup is just stupid. So basically other people's loans can affect your win as a backer. It's just stupid. Who came up with this idiocy? Once again, sugggested rule 1 would solve this problem too.
In the end it's not reasonable to let people play with money they don't really have. Tom needs to go back to the basics or quit poker, like Blom, Viffer and Gus did for a while, for instance.
Hey Alex I see the Maryland flag in the background. Do you play at Maryland L!VE?
I suspect tom owes some mafia money, that's why he doesn't pay back to normal people
So wait.
Did Tom back Peter in poker and Peter lost 1.6 million of Tom's money?
But that doesn't matter unless Tom backs Peter again and then if Peter won he would start paying off the 1.6 million with those winnings?
And this process protects a backer? I clearly do not understand.
It's impossible to understand without knowing the terms of their agreement. Usually staking is just a loss if the player doesn't win. It's the backer betting the stake for x% of the profits. They decided to make it more complex and is impossible to understand without knowing the specifics. It sounds like they didn't come to any specific understanding about make up if their backing relationship ended.
Part of it is ego …at this stage I still don’t think he can over the fact that Jungle crushed him so fucking bad.That gets lost in all of this the money is nothing to Dwan ..wether he is broke or not it’s irrelevant,he doesn’t respect money when he’s up millions or down millions so Jungle and Bob could have been paid years ago.They owned his soul and his ego can’t take it.
I don’t think the money is nothing. Straight degen needs to gamble.
Theres a story JRB said when that old guy bob was up over a million and they paid him 5k too keep playing and the floo was AA5 he had pocket 5s and Tom had A5 and Tom had everyone always covered in chips back then
That beat happens every night.
@@simonlong2305 he was about to leave and they paid him to stay lol Tom didn't even remember it when JRB said it
He owes me $985 million , he paid me $90 million only.
If he got kidnapped would his mom pay?
i used to look up to this guy when i was young.. so sad to see the other side of him
I guess phil hellmuth was right when he said lets see if youre still around in 5 years. Dude owes everyone money. Hes playing with other peoples money 🤣
His inability to communicate.
Mmhhmm. Okay. He's not good at simplifying what happened. Because he's smart as fuck and has a million thoughts at once.
Dont lend gambler's money unless your ok with never seeing it again
So Peter owes Tom 1.x million, but Tom also owes Pete 250k?
So Tom is claiming that PJ owes for makeup? So essentially makeup is where you've stumped up cash to help someone enter a MTT, they don't cash and burned your money? And they can just forget that?
So you have to act a certain way to get paid back?! I don't care % of net worth or how someone is acting, you borrow money you pay it back asap. People are too soft. The game can't survive if there is no integrity. Good Luck!
Moral of the story, Durrrr is a degen that will never pay off his debts.
I've made more out of poker than Tom Dwan lol
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