I highly recommend the new animated Superman movie called "Man of Tomorrow" its a movie about Clarks human upbringing, how it conflicts with his alien origins and how his failure to save human lives at the beginning of his superhero career motivates him to become better.
@@wrestlinganime4life288 Exactly, he puts his humanity to the centre and wants to help people before violence is necessary, thats where I felt Man of Steel failed.
One scene I would change, would be rather gasoline tanker being thrown at Clark by Zodd, instead of jumping over it, he takes the hit, because taking the hit is what Superman/Clark would do. His actions are not about stopping Zodd, they are about saving lives. Stopping the villain over saving lives is more up Batman's ally, but even in that case there is argument that can be made that Batman prioritizing stopping the bad guy over saving lives is out of character
I think the point of Superman in MoS doing many "destructive" and "reckless" things is because he is Superman for no longer than 24h. Like, literally, not even 36 hours passed since him getting the suit and going all out testing his powers for the first time to his first actual death battle against other super beings. In BvS you can clearly see he is much more calculated and confident in where and how much he uses his abilities.
I think you re right and this was a very good presentation/analysis but its easy to see the mistakes after the movie was finished. MoS is still a great movie and typically underrated. The more realistic and cynical approach for this movie makes it even better. The lighter tone and more comedic approach of the Christopher Reeves era woudlnt work today and i personally think its laughable and will render a movie cartoonish. It works for animation but not for live action films.
I definitely did not like this movie. Your fixes we're fantastic. Maybe in that tornado scene, John Kents tells Clark to save as many people as possible and get everyone safe. But in the process, John is in trouble and dies while Clark is helping others. It teaches the value of saving others while teaching Clark that he can't save everyone like a traditional Superman story. Just a thought.
I actually only saw this movie recently and I actually didn’t really like it. It seemed like they were trying way too hard to make a religious symbol and it felt more like it was trying to be a gritty superhero movie. Kind of makes me wonder why we’re getting a “Snyder” version of Justice League.
the constant over-the-top Jesus imagery was like it was written by a freshman film student. also, ending a superman movie with 9/11 times a million was maybe trying a *little* too hard to be "dark and gritty"
That's how I felt about it when I rewatched it recently. It is an enjoyable movie, but Snyder tended to focus more on the action than on exploring Superman's character.
Center row, its been a year but after re-watch the film and your video, I will like to add another aspect to the film in conjunction to your film fix. for starters it was weird how Clark just simply become a journalist without actually studying the profession to begin with. The best way would be if Clark in the flashback actually did journalism studies at a small college in Smallville to understand more about humanity and try a different way to fit in but drops out to pursue his journey to find the answers to his alien origin. Then after he snaps Zod's neck the prologue would be him quitting being superman and living a normal life as a journalist but starts from the bottom as Lois sort of intern and works his way up. His father and Lois try to convince him to come back as superman but he isn't convinced until he sees the survives who saved him and how he made an impact during Zod's attack. will also transition well with BVS.
@@CenterRow you are obsessed with marvel.. Next time When you watch man of steel forget everything that happen before. Here in this video you are talking about final result...i suggest you that plz Give him chance to make a wrong choice ........ Christopher Reeve movie is Great ... It doesn't mean that everyone should apply the same formula. Plz don't try to fix it instead you should watch marvel movies.
@@Arowrath okay then enjoy justice league (2017). That is good for you. Because When you try to fix something according to you ...then you will get JL(2017)
I never had an issue with this film. Even Batman V Superman wasn't that bad for me. The rest of the movies that followed though...the sucked. Yes even Wonder Woman didn't impress me.
So? Wonder Woman so far is the only movie that understands the DC lore, without trying to deconstruct anything. Because my god we can't celebrate superheroes being heroes
@@wrestlinganime4life288 that many had many faults in it, at times it didn't know what genre it was also Wonder Woman's character building was inconsistent.
I very much like the fixes you propose. I will only say that there seems to be a separation between the fixed film you propose and the criticisms to the one we got, at least in some ways. For example, there is no need for Clark Kent to be as inherently a good guy as Captain America always was. Instead, as perhaps suggested by this film where we see him grow up in a certain environment, he later became this super good guy we all know and look up to. So, while your suggested alternate version does seem more interesting to me, that does not make the film we got lacking. The premise that Clark has always been the nicest of guys is perhaps something they decided not to go with, and there is nothing wrong with that. In fact, if it helps justify the slightly darker tone of the film, I'm all for it! Awesome channel btw! Found it today and it was an instant sub!
I don't feel he needs to be as nice as Captain America, but I felt Clark was just kinda harsh and a little selfish at points in the movie, I feel no matter how dark you make a Superman movie, Clark has to remain an inherently good guy or he's not really Superman. Thanks and thanks for the sub!
I thought it was a good origin story. His soul searching and poor heroism shows that even though he's an alien with great power, he was raised on a small farm in kansas. He is as much of a human as the rest of us.
I like the idea of a flawed Superman, but he has a cynical edge to him in this movie that rubs me the wrong way. Like when Zod is experiencing the effects of Earth's atmosphere and he smiles and says to Zod "it hurts, doesn't it?", or when he says "Krypton had its chance" before blowing up the ship, or when he says "I don't know if humanity is worth saving". It all gives him this judgemental, harsh personality that I feel clashes with who Superman is as a character. Like having a Punisher movie where Punisher is a nice guy who doesn't kill people, it just kind of misses the point imho.
Easiest way to fix Man of Steel: don't hire Zack Snyder. He's great at casting, but basically everything else he does in terms of Filmmaking is pretty flawed
Not exactly. He is good at things that arent complex. Look at 300. ThaT movie is basicly "fighting and punching" but everyone loves it because the action it's directed really well and the movie also looks great. Then look at something like Man of Steel, BvS he doesnt know how these charaters work so what he did he do? Man of Steel it's basicly a 20 minute flashback on Krypton, followed by a boring middle part where superman starts to become a hero and then an one hour battle. He skips the most important part, the character part. In 300 you dont really need complex characters or something like this, in superhero movies you need to at least care about the characters.
I enjoyed the grittiness. I agree they could have done more to show his compassion for humans. And capt America did do it right. But expecting superman to be the perfect boy scout is the mistake of superman returns. Theres no connection.
Adaptations are tough. Especially of US Superhero comics. All you can really do is hit a few established plot points and keep the characters true to who they are. Which Snyder failed at. He’s clearly never read a Superman comic and has even directly gone against the character’s philosophy in interviews. He has no interest in making a movie of who superman is but rather who he wishes superman was.
I never interpreted Jonathan Kent dying as being pointless. I always saw it has him sacrificing himself so Clark could live through the shoes of a normal person before he made the decision of revealing himself to the world. It's showing him that just because he's got superhuman abilities doesn't mean he can or should get whatever he wants. I don't think Superman would've been willing to sacrifice himself in BvS had he not witnessed that. Although I understand why someone might want that scene tinkered with I still think it's important for the person who made this video to not completely misinterpret the point of this key scene lol.
The problem is this isn’t well established in the film. Their argument in the car might hint at this being the point, but Pa Kent’s attitude about it is so flimsy and contradictory that it never coheres into a salient argument.
UltimateKyuubiFox I'd agree with you about that, however, the examples he lists are not good replacements that share the same message. Picking up a hitchhiker to show that Clark needs a good moral compass is not the same message as Clark needing to understand humility, free will, and the price of sacrifice. The scene is not perfect, however, I believe it's not hard to read between the lines of that scene either. You cant just "fix" the movie when there's a failure to understand the themes of the movie.
Satan Claus If the film failed convey the themes, that’s hardly the fault of the critic-much less their job to do the heavy lifting themselves. The thing about Zack Snyder’s DC movies is that it’s very easy for people to read anything they want into them. The scripts are just vague and obtuse enough that they demand active viewers to do all the legwork of inserting meaning and subtext themselves. The base reading of the sequence is that, after telling Clark throughout his childhood both that he should maybe let other kids drown to stay hidden but also that he’s here for an important reason, Pa Kent now tells Clark that he should be proud to stay on the farm like a normal person and also should let his own father die. Pa Kent’s message to his son is so confused that it doesn’t convey much of anything. Only “Listen to me because I’m your father.” Why did Pa Kent want to keep his son out of the limelight? Because he’s too young? Well, they use Henry Cavill for the scene, so he just looks like an adult finally ready to fulfill his weighty responsibilities. Would Clark EVER be ready in Pa Kent’s eyes? We have no idea. We don’t even know what he thinks his son should use his powers FOR. None of if makes any coherent sense because none of it clicks together toward a common purpose. So his sacrifice is literally for nothing. Center Row, in essence, is having to imbibe his own meaning onto the text, much like you have. And yet you assume both that Center Row is refusing to engage with the text, while also presuming your engagement with the text is concrete and undeniable. But the trap here is that this is all subjective conjecture.
UltimateKyuubiFox It's really not that hard to read into what the film is obviously saying. Jonathan Kent spends the entire movie telling Clark that he might be "different" and he has a massive responsibility, but that Clark just as human as he is ("you are my son"). He also emphasizes free will and the power of choice ("whatever that man is good character or bad..."). I know people love mentioning the bus scene but that's clearly a very important moment to humanize Jonathan. He's not bestowed with infinite knowledge. When he's posed with a moral question like that, he isn't sure what the answer is. Wanna know why? Because it's clear (especially from BvS) that the world has a lot of darkness in it. He wants Clark to be old enough to realize the weight of his actions and understand the meaning of loss and sacrifice before he becomes Superman - which is why he sacrificed himself in the tornado. And to your point about Jonathan wondering if he would ever be ready - of course he does. Hell, one of the final scenes in the movie is Martha telling Clark that Jonathan DID see Clark eventually becoming that beacon of hope (the scene where young Clark is running around with the cape). I don't think the writing in Man of Steel is "obtuse" at all. It's actually pretty straightforward. Just because you didn't get it the first time you watched it doesn't mean the writing is bad. I literally used dialogue straight from the movie lol
While I like your alternate version of this movie, I'm going to make the argument that Superman in Man of Steel as is is completely fine. Let me explain. You see, what Zack Snyder was going for wasn't supposed to be the definitive take on the character for this universe. Throughout Man of Steel and Batman v Superman, Snyder was showing us a younger, more vulnerable Clark who's still struggling with his powers and unsure of his ideals, while at the same time having to constantly deal with a world that criticizes and demonizes his actions, hence why he's a lot gloomier than usual. This Superman's main arc was about becoming the Superman we know he's supposed.
I think the point of the film is that he’s not the Superman we know yet. He wants to do good, he wants to save people but he also wants to honor his father’s wishes as best he can. People focus on how his dad told him that maybe he shouldn’t help people out, but they don’t seem to think about the fact that sometimes parents are wrong. We see that Clark as a teenager wants to help people ( check out the conversation he has with his dad before the tornado hits), but we also see that his father is scared for Clark and is struggling with his kid leaving the nest. Also, Clark has been Superman for about a weekend by time Zod is punching him in the face in Metropolis. The collateral damage, the thousands of deaths, its kind of expected here, right? I mean, we’re you good at your job two days in, or we’re you still in training? The point of this film ( as well as BvS) is that the world, our world, wouldn’t accept him. I appreciate your point of view, but everything you would fix is the point of this film.
Exactly, Snyder's 5 story arc would have eventually ended with superman being what everyone expects him to be.... people are so stuck in the past and what came before they can't accept any other interpretation of the character....shallow minded and sad really...
I remember liking man of steel, but I honestly cant tell you anything that happened in the movie. I feel like isnt a good sign of the movie. It needed a more clear idea of what it wanted, which your suggestions would clearly do. Great video!
You should try watching "Mob Psycho 100". It's an Anime about an overpowered character about kindness set in suburban Japan. Similar with Superman but in a way he's flawed.
My man, i love your vids. Please make them more often. I find myself qith nothing to watch and your channel has the perfect thing. Also, could you make a video about unnesesary sequels. Thw type they only make for money and ruin a franchise. Like you did with the prequels
I loved the video you did on animation, so, just a suggestion, you should definitely do a video on the Japanese animated film 1988 Akira. Its a fantastic science fiction film and it came out around the time when animation was mostly just a medium for movies aimed a children.
This movie doesn't need to be fix, its amazing as it is, is Clark becoming Superman. But Batman V Superman that in the other hand needs a real big fix.
You may not smarter but at least you have a clear understanding of GOOD storytelling and getting your characters RIGHT, unlike Zack Snyder and David Goyer, not to mention some higher-ups at WB.
I believe when People say " This Superman feels a bit off" it's because People still want to see Richard Donners' Version with Chris Reeves... That Ship has Sailed. Man Of Steel is Our Generation Superman and it's clearly a Top 5 Best Comic Book Adaptions
@@wrestlinganime4life288 you mean the Comic books where He has Killed before, Where there has been collateral Damage and could you name at least 3 Comic book movies that Followed the Source Material Closely
@@bigdan42082 you are totally ignoring the Smallville TV show and Superman the animated series and the new animated movie Superman Man of tomorrow or alternate versions like Kingdom Come Superman All-Star Superman
Really interesting video. Thanks. I think that would have been a really satisfying film if they did or at least followed the themes as you said. I also would have like to see, 1. Instead of that cringy scene of Clark reading Plato, Clark's Earth Dad teaching him to box ie fight with skill and self-control. Because Jonathan, who was the local boxing champion in the army, realises that untapped raw power would be devastating to the world and to other humans. So he teaches Clark to dial down the power and dial up the self-control. But, the drawback is when Supes is fighting Zod and the others, Superman is losing and badly because he has learnt self-control and never needed to dial up the power. But as Superman is getting pounded to almost becoming unconscious and all hope is lost, time stops (figuratively) and Superman realises these Kryptonians can take it and then he unleashes hell all the while making sure innocent people are not caught up in the punch-up. Zod makes a good point that he was bred for fighting and war, where did Kal-El learned his skill? "On a farm?!!!" Yes! On a good old fashion American family farm, that fed a hungry growing nation!, by his Dad teaching Clark how to box. Its about a Dad and son bonding and passing on life skills. It invokes a sort of good and humble and honest skill that gets the better of Zod, and puts Zod and all his expertise and puffed-up arrogance in his breeding and advanced training to shame. 2. Truck driver bully should have been huge. I mean 'The Mountain' huge. Taller and more intimidating and LOOKING DOWN to Clark. When the truck driver head-butts Clark in the chest and Clark doesn't budge, it was underwhelming because the truck driver is a pip-squeak. Now imaging if 'The Mountain' did that and Clark doesn't budge, and a look of confused fear falls on 'The Mountain's' face because NO-ONE has ever been able to stand his ground with 'The Mountain' . Agree, not to damage the guy's livelihood. While the truck driver may be a jerk, doesn't mean his kids gotta starve because Dad's livelihood has been ruined. Superman is not petty or vindictive, he doesn't need to be, he was raised better than that. 3. More screen time with Faora......because what is there not to like. She is fantastic in every way. 4. Get rid of the school bus saving scene, that was dumb, really dumb and made no sense. Now everybody knows that a pimply faced kid just pushed a 3 ton bus out of the water., then promptly forgets all about it. If they had to put that silly scene in, at least have Jonathan say "I am proud of you" instead of spinning a confused and scared kid's moral compass every which way by saying "You should have left them to die"
Your fix Man of Steel is not bad however I prefer Nando V movies rewrite of this movie. I wasn't particularly a fan this movie when it came out and I didn't watch the Christopher Reeves movies because I believed you can make Superman interesting without making him dark or evil you can show that he has flaws and internal conflict without him brood be self serious punishing and morally conflicted
I completely agree with your take. Overall its an ambitious movie that's trying to hard to say something but ends up saying little because it has a heavy handed approach with no levity or humour to balance the tone. Zach snyder was never really the right director for this film and you can see he's lost when trying to develop characters with consistant motivation. There's much to love also here though and certain scenes like the superman's destruction of the world engine are the best of modern cinema. I also think Henry cavill does not have the acting chops to pull the character off fully although he's very likable as superman and I would never do the comparison with Christopher reeve because it's unfair because no actor could do what he did, its a once in a lifetime moment when he was superman
When you do Batman v Superman watch this https:ua-cam.com/video/NSQhUrNzdhQ/v-deo.html and you remember the no legged man well he should have been the DCEU Metallo.
Zack Snyder made superman into a dickhead .......specially in batman vs superman and justice league made superman unlikable and that reason this movie i think it ok but not great
There is nothing that needs to be fixed. It is one of the best superhero movies ever. Just ahead of its time. Look at all the crap Marvel has put out. This is a fresh breath of air between all the other superhero crap.
if you want to kill johnathan kent go either sacrifice or something innocous like a heart attack to show while supermn is trying to save someone else. hell you could show like clark initally trying to use his powers against a bully or stomping like in football and johanthan stepping in.
What i love about your take is that is not a complete rewrite, There are just some details here and there that really add to the movie In addition, I'd like to add that the iconic first flight escene must be a little longer and make superman save people all around the world
I agree with you, I think the movie is pretty good, and with your small changes it would've been perfect, its kind of a bummer that it wasn't perfect even though it was pretty close to being it
1: Being an outcast, makes you cynical. . 2: Clark starting out exactly as he is in the comics, a symbol for hope and justice, is just boring in my opinion. It was a good call for Snyder to start him off at the bottom, slowly working his way up to who he's supposed to be in Justice League. 3: The color grading is a bit desaturated, yes, but the flick is still the most sunny movie in the entire slate of DCEU films. So, you mean it needs more saturation? Well, you are a UA-camr, why not just saturate the movie a bit more on either your tv settings or in Adobe Premiere (making sure the skin tones aren't affected too much) 4: This movie feels more like a modern Superman movie than any of the DC Animated Superman movies, imo. It feels intense, moving, inspiring and not weightless like most DC Animated films feel these days (I'm speaking of the way the animation moves in modern Animated DC Films, it just feels so unbelievably weightless, it barely feels as if the characters are even trying to perform a feat. Which kind of negates the entire reason behind a feat, doesn't it?) 5: A lot of people are saying that Snyder took a too "realistic" take on Superman, with him being so cynical and stuff. But when I saw the movie in theaters and even still, I feel this was exactly what Superman needed. A serious, non ridiculous take on the character. With a no nonsense approach and a powerful message: "Would you want the weight of the world on your shoulders? Neither would Superman, but he will carry it if he must"
Well, I read it... lol I really enjoyed MoS. The more I watch it I seem to enjoy it more, so after reading your reply to this video I felt like you did a good job defending it. That being said, I like the message Ben is sending in this video. In fact, he pretty much summed it up the best when comparing it to the Captain America movie. Cap was certainly black and white in conscience and morals. And I think that is the only issue really. I haven't kept up with Superman's character over the years. I've seen some animated movies and a few seasons of Smallville. I can't say that Superman's character has been shown to be this pure good, heart of gold, love your enemies, Christian type. The closest to that would be the Christopher Reeve Superman from 40 years ago. Now that would be a close approximation to the Captain America that Marvel has shown and what I believe Ben is describing. Regarding the idea of making Superman fit in a modern world, that's tough one. This is obviously something Snyder wanted and many other fans too. Personally, I don't need a superhero's character to change with the times. Character is character. They are who they are. Society, era, whatever. I think that's what Ben is saying. He is familiar with a character and wouldn't want that to change to conform to generational norms. In fact, the stronger the contrast a person's character is to the society they are in, the more interesting it becomes. And I would have to agree that if MoS would have shown Supes to be unquestionably compassionate and forgiving to mankind from beginning to end, I would have enjoyed it more as well. I think everything else was very entertaining and loved Zod's character in this incarnation. Thanks for reading!
I love Man Of Steel and I hate the Superman version from comics which is morally perfect and can’t be beat. I see this as naive storyline and even maybe a kind of propagandia So yes, make a Superman more cold, more distant from humanity and more challenging was a real pleasure for me. And see a Batman in BvS questionning the potential threat it could be was also really interesting. Because even if it wasn’t the case, it could be and it just a non-sense to see nobody ask the question.
As much as I love zod as the villain I would have switched him out with lex and go the smallville route it’d show the backstory of Superman and how he was raised to be a gentle kind being but also knows when to take charge and we could have his dad die Lana Lang die and Pete move away half way through the movie to where he moves to metropolis and he works at the daily planet and builds a homemade tactical Superboy suit to save people also wait to give him the Superman suit have it kind of like an honor to have the suit really just make him more interesting
And this is what everyone who has an argument like this doesn't understand....they are all stuck in the the nostalgia of the Christopher Reeve movies....
Nope, it goes even beyond real and becomes gritty and dark. Life is not just about depression, but good things are here too, you just have to watch around yourself to find out. Just try
It seems more like you don't get Man of Steel. Yes I know, the character has always been potrayed as uplifting and hopfull for humanity, however they never question what is best for Clark. This movie does. Should humanity simply save themselves? What is the purpose of a Superhero in the first place? In MoS the answer is: Somone who is willing to sacrifice himself for humanity no matter how difficult or hard it is, specially when it comes to choices. In BvS the question is extended to Does Superman cause more trouble than good? Can we trust a person who is simply saving people out of his own moral codes? Superman has been portrayed so many times with the answer: "just because" in these situations. Clark wants to save people "just because thats the right thing to do" Humanity loves superman "just because he is helping them" These movies as the question: "Why?" and "How" and explores these aspects, and finds all the shades and grayzones of these actions to see what scenarios would make more sense for these circumstances actually to take place. Why is humanity worth saving? How do you actualy save humanity? How do you inspire humanity? What does humanity want? Do they need a superman? How do you become a savour figure? What challanges would you face if you decide to save people randomly? What resposibilities do you have as s Superman? Can you ever say no, or do you always have to save somone? etc etc These are not easy questions, and the film never decides to give you simple answers
Great video. Love this section. 😍I would definitely have changed something about Lois Lane character and her relation with Superman. I'll be honest, I hate her. That moment when she sees some strange thing in a space ship and she tries to take a picture and she gets hurt, it just looks really unprofessional to me. And I didnt see any development in their relationship... Just my opinion. Maybe I just don't like Amy Adams that much
I would like to see superman as the brooding man as seen in man of steel and then as the film progresses, he learns to be more than super and becomes the man.
Center Row I highly recommend you watch the movie Unbreakable it answers the questions of what if Superman was in the real world but he didn't know that he was Superman.
In regards to this new character I accepted that the director was giving the character his own spin so rather than compare this superman to his MANY different versions i viewed him as if he is a completely new character. Also he still feels 80-90% like superman to me anyway
That’s the difference with us I believe. Definitely feels like a new character, and doesn’t feel like the character I actually like much at all. Maybe like 10-20%
I've considered it, but they would be challenging. I generally cover "good but not great" movies because there's enough good material there where I can just suggest a few tweaks that would have made the movie better. With messes like Suicide Squad and BvS I'd really have to basically rewrite them from scratch, which would be very challenging. But, maybe I will one of these days (if this video performs well, which so far it is not).
Superman is complicit in killing probably thousands of people during a reckless fight in downtown Metropolis, and then we're supposed to buy his despair at the end when Zod is about to laser that one family of 3? It's so unearned it's not funny. Snyder has no clue what makes Superman a great superhero. It's laughably bad how 'cool' and jaded (to use your word) Superman was in this film. That's why Reeves was better, because he was a boy scout and actually tried to help people around him, instead of smashing his enemies around populated locations destroying literally everything. It's the opposite of what Superman should be doing.
You're delusional. Superman is not responsible for anyone's death in the final battle. The massive death toll was caused by the World Engine. If you are trying to suggest that he didn't care about the destruction, then you are sorely mistaken. And I don't think Reeves was better. He was different. He didn't help people any more than Cavill did. He just had the advantage of operating on a smaller budget which limited the destruction that was available.
@kafu Kemeh At one point he did take him into space, yes. But apart from that I saw no desperation from him trying to get the fight out of the city. If Snyder understood the character he would have made it clear that Superman was trying to get him away from the people of Metropolis, but he didn't. He should have yelled "take this out of the city Zod, innocent people are dying" but he didn't. Sunder was too scared to make him care, and instead wanting him to be in a huge badass city destruction fight scene.
@kafu Kemeh I'm not saying Zod wasnt trying to destroy the city but Superman wasn't making any real effort to get him away. It just seemed like he was destroying the city just as much as Zod. That to me is not Superman. Show some distress at the level of destruction you're causing ffs.
This is such a beautiful video that exactly captured how I felt about this movie. I always wondered how Superman, who's supposed to represent the pinnacle of human behavior, lacks compassion within him. It baffled me, only if this had more humanity within it, the film would've worked.
@@zhengyingli Even if he did, since I saw a lot of chaos and destruction that was mindless, that wasn't the main focal point of Superman. The people he saves were random inserts rather than a genuine concern for him that drives the plot. He does so, in order stop Zod, but that doesn't seem to arise from his concern for humanity as a whole.
@@anirudhgoud5035 Why would he go out of his way to lose his job in order to save the oil rig workers if he didn't have genuine concern for them? What other reason would Superman have to defeat Zod besides wanting to protect the human race from him?
While it had some flaws, I thought the Luke Cage series did a good job of showing what an undercover Superman would be like in the real world. It had a lot of interesting moments where you see he's capable of doing all these incredible things, but he's reluctant to show the powers to anyone outside of his circle of trust.
No problem, I feel like WB may have forced Zack’s hand when it came to this film, the obviously did with Justice League. I hope he gets the story nailed with his second attempt, visually he is almost unrivaled as a director in this genre.
Center Row well you know main issues from making Batman a killer, bad casting choices most notably Lex Luthor and forcing the death of superman and bringing the Justice league.
Zack Snyder can’t make characters that are actually good people. Everyone he writes has to be a piece of shit that acts heroically. It works for Watchmen, a deconstruction on the Comic formula, but DC is not that and it shows Snyder’s lack of range.
I personally LOVE Man Of Steel. One of my favorite Superhero movies. It showed a good human side to Superman and it felt realistic. The scale and action is great because it shows how 2 ultra-powerful alien beings would just make our concrete buildings look like cardboard to them. But good video nonetheless.
Wrestling Anime 4life It's not about the Superman character himself being realistic, it's about placing a superhuman being into a world of consequence like our's. Zack Snyder himself compared it to Greek Gods and how whenever they interacted with the human world it had repercussions. There's nothing wrong with that type of vision for a superhero movie.
No, this movie is exactly what the director wanted to do: an embodiment of objectivism, not a clone of Batman (who does sacrifice himself for Gotham so nobody has to suffer what he went trough when he was a child). Watch The Worst Critic video on BvS for further a information and don't try to fix the unfixable..
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I highly recommend the new animated Superman movie called "Man of Tomorrow" its a movie about Clarks human upbringing, how it conflicts with his alien origins and how his failure to save human lives at the beginning of his superhero career motivates him to become better.
He's soo likeable in that movie.
That's what man of Steel should have been
@@wrestlinganime4life288 Exactly, he puts his humanity to the centre and wants to help people before violence is necessary, thats where I felt Man of Steel failed.
Yes!
One scene I would change, would be rather gasoline tanker being thrown at Clark by Zodd, instead of jumping over it, he takes the hit, because taking the hit is what Superman/Clark would do. His actions are not about stopping Zodd, they are about saving lives. Stopping the villain over saving lives is more up Batman's ally, but even in that case there is argument that can be made that Batman prioritizing stopping the bad guy over saving lives is out of character
I'd agree!
I think the point of Superman in MoS doing many "destructive" and "reckless" things is because he is Superman for no longer than 24h. Like, literally, not even 36 hours passed since him getting the suit and going all out testing his powers for the first time to his first actual death battle against other super beings. In BvS you can clearly see he is much more calculated and confident in where and how much he uses his abilities.
I think you re right and this was a very good presentation/analysis but its easy to see the mistakes after the movie was finished.
MoS is still a great movie and typically underrated.
The more realistic and cynical approach for this movie makes it even better.
The lighter tone and more comedic approach of the Christopher Reeves era woudlnt work today and i personally think its laughable and will render a movie cartoonish. It works for animation but not for live action films.
I definitely did not like this movie. Your fixes we're fantastic.
Maybe in that tornado scene, John Kents tells Clark to save as many people as possible and get everyone safe. But in the process, John is in trouble and dies while Clark is helping others. It teaches the value of saving others while teaching Clark that he can't save everyone like a traditional Superman story. Just a thought.
The tornado scene is even more dumber once you read Superman for all seasons.
Very good 👍
Interesting thought!
Still better than Pa Kent just stood there just to get swallowed by the tornado, lol. I liked the movie but that scene was stupid.
I liked the film, and saw the film CR suggest within it, but he's right - its deeply hidden! The fixes arent huge changes so would work.
I actually only saw this movie recently and I actually didn’t really like it. It seemed like they were trying way too hard to make a religious symbol and it felt more like it was trying to be a gritty superhero movie. Kind of makes me wonder why we’re getting a “Snyder” version of Justice League.
This movie scream desperately "I wAnna dO a MaSterPiecE
Yeeaaah...
I definitely agree
the constant over-the-top Jesus imagery was like it was written by a freshman film student. also, ending a superman movie with 9/11 times a million was maybe trying a *little* too hard to be "dark and gritty"
That's how I felt about it when I rewatched it recently. It is an enjoyable movie, but Snyder tended to focus more on the action than on exploring Superman's character.
Exactly!
Its not zack Snyder its different version of supes by Christopher nolan and Zack did a great job for this movie is freaking inspirational
Center row, its been a year but after re-watch the film and your video, I will like to add another aspect to the film in conjunction to your film fix. for starters it was weird how Clark just simply become a journalist without actually studying the profession to begin with. The best way would be if Clark in the flashback actually did journalism studies at a small college in Smallville to understand more about humanity and try a different way to fit in but drops out to pursue his journey to find the answers to his alien origin. Then after he snaps Zod's neck the prologue would be him quitting being superman and living a normal life as a journalist but starts from the bottom as Lois sort of intern and works his way up. His father and Lois try to convince him to come back as superman but he isn't convinced until he sees the survives who saved him and how he made an impact during Zod's attack. will also transition well with BVS.
Saw this movie last month for the first time in a while & i loved it
It has some good stuff
@@CenterRow you are obsessed with marvel..
Next time When you watch man of steel forget everything that happen before.
Here in this video you are talking about final result...i suggest you that plz Give him chance to make a wrong choice ........
Christopher Reeve movie is Great ... It doesn't mean that everyone should apply the same formula. Plz don't try to fix it instead you should watch marvel movies.
I see a lot of hate for this movie. I actually really enjoy MoS too
@@karusaaverse Just because he is critiquing and analyzing this movie doesn't mean he's obsessed with Marvel...
@@Arowrath okay then enjoy justice league (2017). That is good for you. Because When you try to fix something according to you ...then you will get JL(2017)
Regardless of what people say I think this was a great movie and take on Superman again and Henry Cavill is the epitome of all the Superman
I never had an issue with this film. Even Batman V Superman wasn't that bad for me. The rest of the movies that followed though...the sucked.
Yes even Wonder Woman didn't impress me.
So? Wonder Woman so far is the only movie that understands the DC lore, without trying to deconstruct anything.
Because my god we can't celebrate superheroes being heroes
@@wrestlinganime4life288 that many had many faults in it, at times it didn't know what genre it was also Wonder Woman's character building was inconsistent.
ZSJL is coming though
@@aldsamanda6114 watch Nando V movies rewrite of Wonder Woman
I very much like the fixes you propose. I will only say that there seems to be a separation between the fixed film you propose and the criticisms to the one we got, at least in some ways. For example, there is no need for Clark Kent to be as inherently a good guy as Captain America always was. Instead, as perhaps suggested by this film where we see him grow up in a certain environment, he later became this super good guy we all know and look up to. So, while your suggested alternate version does seem more interesting to me, that does not make the film we got lacking. The premise that Clark has always been the nicest of guys is perhaps something they decided not to go with, and there is nothing wrong with that. In fact, if it helps justify the slightly darker tone of the film, I'm all for it! Awesome channel btw! Found it today and it was an instant sub!
I don't feel he needs to be as nice as Captain America, but I felt Clark was just kinda harsh and a little selfish at points in the movie, I feel no matter how dark you make a Superman movie, Clark has to remain an inherently good guy or he's not really Superman.
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I thought it was a good origin story.
His soul searching and poor heroism
shows that even though he's an alien with great power, he was raised on a small farm in kansas. He is as much of a human as the rest of us.
I like the idea of a flawed Superman, but he has a cynical edge to him in this movie that rubs me the wrong way. Like when Zod is experiencing the effects of Earth's atmosphere and he smiles and says to Zod "it hurts, doesn't it?", or when he says "Krypton had its chance" before blowing up the ship, or when he says "I don't know if humanity is worth saving". It all gives him this judgemental, harsh personality that I feel clashes with who Superman is as a character. Like having a Punisher movie where Punisher is a nice guy who doesn't kill people, it just kind of misses the point imho.
@@CenterRow also when he just looks at Zod pouring his heart out in a rage and isn’t emotive and says nothing in response. Like he doesn’t care.
Easiest way to fix Man of Steel: don't hire Zack Snyder. He's great at casting, but basically everything else he does in terms of Filmmaking is pretty flawed
I mean yes, that would probably solve most of the issues
Not exactly. He is good at things that arent complex. Look at 300. ThaT movie is basicly "fighting and punching" but everyone loves it because the action it's directed really well and the movie also looks great. Then look at something like Man of Steel, BvS he doesnt know how these charaters work so what he did he do? Man of Steel it's basicly a 20 minute flashback on Krypton, followed by a boring middle part where superman starts to become a hero and then an one hour battle. He skips the most important part, the character part. In 300 you dont really need complex characters or something like this, in superhero movies you need to at least care about the characters.
I disagree with a lot of your points, but you have a well thought out argument and a well produced video
Well thanks!
I really enjoyed your ideas and feel that these changes would have made a movie I like much better!
- Let children on a bus die? Maybe. It's fine.
- Let the dog die? Never ever! I'm going to save the dog!!!!!!!!
(this movie is full garbage)
In my opinion there is absolutely nothing to fix in man of steel.
Agreed!!
Pff then you're blind
@@wrestlinganime4life288 explain?
@@wrestlinganime4life288 how can an 'opinion' be bad or blind...ffs grow the fuck up
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I enjoyed the grittiness. I agree they could have done more to show his compassion for humans. And capt America did do it right. But expecting superman to be the perfect boy scout is the mistake of superman returns. Theres no connection.
I like Man of Steel but I agree with all your points
Thanks! I also like it!
Adaptations are tough. Especially of US Superhero comics. All you can really do is hit a few established plot points and keep the characters true to who they are.
Which Snyder failed at. He’s clearly never read a Superman comic and has even directly gone against the character’s philosophy in interviews.
He has no interest in making a movie of who superman is but rather who he wishes superman was.
It doesn't need fixing. Apparently, you need to be fixed.
Jeez
I never interpreted Jonathan Kent dying as being pointless. I always saw it has him sacrificing himself so Clark could live through the shoes of a normal person before he made the decision of revealing himself to the world. It's showing him that just because he's got superhuman abilities doesn't mean he can or should get whatever he wants. I don't think Superman would've been willing to sacrifice himself in BvS had he not witnessed that.
Although I understand why someone might want that scene tinkered with I still think it's important for the person who made this video to not completely misinterpret the point of this key scene lol.
The problem is this isn’t well established in the film. Their argument in the car might hint at this being the point, but Pa Kent’s attitude about it is so flimsy and contradictory that it never coheres into a salient argument.
UltimateKyuubiFox I'd agree with you about that, however, the examples he lists are not good replacements that share the same message. Picking up a hitchhiker to show that Clark needs a good moral compass is not the same message as Clark needing to understand humility, free will, and the price of sacrifice.
The scene is not perfect, however, I believe it's not hard to read between the lines of that scene either. You cant just "fix" the movie when there's a failure to understand the themes of the movie.
Satan Claus If the film failed convey the themes, that’s hardly the fault of the critic-much less their job to do the heavy lifting themselves. The thing about Zack Snyder’s DC movies is that it’s very easy for people to read anything they want into them. The scripts are just vague and obtuse enough that they demand active viewers to do all the legwork of inserting meaning and subtext themselves. The base reading of the sequence is that, after telling Clark throughout his childhood both that he should maybe let other kids drown to stay hidden but also that he’s here for an important reason, Pa Kent now tells Clark that he should be proud to stay on the farm like a normal person and also should let his own father die. Pa Kent’s message to his son is so confused that it doesn’t convey much of anything. Only “Listen to me because I’m your father.” Why did Pa Kent want to keep his son out of the limelight? Because he’s too young? Well, they use Henry Cavill for the scene, so he just looks like an adult finally ready to fulfill his weighty responsibilities. Would Clark EVER be ready in Pa Kent’s eyes? We have no idea. We don’t even know what he thinks his son should use his powers FOR. None of if makes any coherent sense because none of it clicks together toward a common purpose. So his sacrifice is literally for nothing. Center Row, in essence, is having to imbibe his own meaning onto the text, much like you have. And yet you assume both that Center Row is refusing to engage with the text, while also presuming your engagement with the text is concrete and undeniable. But the trap here is that this is all subjective conjecture.
UltimateKyuubiFox It's really not that hard to read into what the film is obviously saying. Jonathan Kent spends the entire movie telling Clark that he might be "different" and he has a massive responsibility, but that Clark just as human as he is ("you are my son"). He also emphasizes free will and the power of choice ("whatever that man is good character or bad...").
I know people love mentioning the bus scene but that's clearly a very important moment to humanize Jonathan. He's not bestowed with infinite knowledge. When he's posed with a moral question like that, he isn't sure what the answer is. Wanna know why? Because it's clear (especially from BvS) that the world has a lot of darkness in it. He wants Clark to be old enough to realize the weight of his actions and understand the meaning of loss and sacrifice before he becomes Superman - which is why he sacrificed himself in the tornado.
And to your point about Jonathan wondering if he would ever be ready - of course he does. Hell, one of the final scenes in the movie is Martha telling Clark that Jonathan DID see Clark eventually becoming that beacon of hope (the scene where young Clark is running around with the cape).
I don't think the writing in Man of Steel is "obtuse" at all. It's actually pretty straightforward. Just because you didn't get it the first time you watched it doesn't mean the writing is bad. I literally used dialogue straight from the movie lol
While I like your alternate version of this movie, I'm going to make the argument that Superman in Man of Steel as is is completely fine. Let me explain. You see, what Zack Snyder was going for wasn't supposed to be the definitive take on the character for this universe. Throughout Man of Steel and Batman v Superman, Snyder was showing us a younger, more vulnerable Clark who's still struggling with his powers and unsure of his ideals, while at the same time having to constantly deal with a world that criticizes and demonizes his actions, hence why he's a lot gloomier than usual. This Superman's main arc was about becoming the Superman we know he's supposed.
Also Superman was created out of social justice
I think the point of the film is that he’s not the Superman we know yet. He wants to do good, he wants to save people but he also wants to honor his father’s wishes as best he can. People focus on how his dad told him that maybe he shouldn’t help people out, but they don’t seem to think about the fact that sometimes parents are wrong. We see that Clark as a teenager wants to help people ( check out the conversation he has with his dad before the tornado hits), but we also see that his father is scared for Clark and is struggling with his kid leaving the nest. Also, Clark has been Superman for about a weekend by time Zod is punching him in the face in Metropolis. The collateral damage, the thousands of deaths, its kind of expected here, right? I mean, we’re you good at your job two days in, or we’re you still in training? The point of this film ( as well as BvS) is that the world, our world, wouldn’t accept him. I appreciate your point of view, but everything you would fix is the point of this film.
Exactly, Snyder's 5 story arc would have eventually ended with superman being what everyone expects him to be.... people are so stuck in the past and what came before they can't accept any other interpretation of the character....shallow minded and sad really...
I remember liking man of steel, but I honestly cant tell you anything that happened in the movie. I feel like isnt a good sign of the movie. It needed a more clear idea of what it wanted, which your suggestions would clearly do. Great video!
You should try watching "Mob Psycho 100". It's an Anime about an overpowered character about kindness set in suburban Japan. Similar with Superman but in a way he's flawed.
I'll check it out!
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My man, i love your vids. Please make them more often. I find myself qith nothing to watch and your channel has the perfect thing.
Also, could you make a video about unnesesary sequels. Thw type they only make for money and ruin a franchise. Like you did with the prequels
Thank you! Maybe I will, I covered a little bit of that topic in my Terminator Dark Fate video.
@@CenterRow true, another idea
Can you fix the gods of egypt movie
And the fan4stic, that would be very interesting
This movie doesn’t need a fix IMO
I loved the video you did on animation, so, just a suggestion, you should definitely do a video on the Japanese animated film 1988 Akira. Its a fantastic science fiction film and it came out around the time when animation was mostly just a medium for movies aimed a children.
This movie doesn't need to be fix, its amazing as it is, is Clark becoming Superman. But Batman V Superman that in the other hand needs a real big fix.
I honestly don't know if BvS can be fixed outside a complete rewrite.
You may not smarter but at least you have a clear understanding of GOOD storytelling and getting your characters RIGHT, unlike Zack Snyder and David Goyer, not to mention some higher-ups at WB.
I believe when People say " This Superman feels a bit off" it's because People still want to see Richard Donners' Version with Chris Reeves... That Ship has Sailed. Man Of Steel is Our Generation Superman and it's clearly a Top 5 Best Comic Book Adaptions
That's a dumb statement.
Not even the Christopher Reeves is 100 % correct.
Are ignoring the shits tons of comics, animated flick about Superman?
@@wrestlinganime4life288 you mean the Comic books where He has Killed before, Where there has been collateral Damage and could you name at least 3 Comic book movies that Followed the Source Material Closely
@@bigdan42082 Unbreakable
@@bigdan42082 you are totally ignoring the Smallville TV show and Superman the animated series and the new animated movie Superman Man of tomorrow or alternate versions like Kingdom Come Superman All-Star Superman
Really interesting video. Thanks. I think that would have been a really satisfying film if they did or at least followed the themes as you said.
I also would have like to see,
1. Instead of that cringy scene of Clark reading Plato, Clark's Earth Dad teaching him to box ie fight with skill and self-control. Because Jonathan, who was the local boxing champion in the army, realises that untapped raw power would be devastating to the world and to other humans. So he teaches Clark to dial down the power and dial up the self-control.
But, the drawback is when Supes is fighting Zod and the others, Superman is losing and badly because he has learnt self-control and never needed to dial up the power. But as Superman is getting pounded to almost becoming unconscious and all hope is lost, time stops (figuratively) and Superman realises these Kryptonians can take it and then he unleashes hell all the while making sure innocent people are not caught up in the punch-up.
Zod makes a good point that he was bred for fighting and war, where did Kal-El learned his skill? "On a farm?!!!"
Yes! On a good old fashion American family farm, that fed a hungry growing nation!, by his Dad teaching Clark how to box. Its about a Dad and son bonding and passing on life skills. It invokes a sort of good and humble and honest skill that gets the better of Zod, and puts Zod and all his expertise and puffed-up arrogance in his breeding and advanced training to shame.
2. Truck driver bully should have been huge. I mean 'The Mountain' huge. Taller and more intimidating and LOOKING DOWN to Clark. When the truck driver head-butts Clark in the chest and Clark doesn't budge, it was underwhelming because the truck driver is a pip-squeak. Now imaging if 'The Mountain' did that and Clark doesn't budge, and a look of confused fear falls on 'The Mountain's' face because NO-ONE has ever been able to stand his ground with 'The Mountain' .
Agree, not to damage the guy's livelihood. While the truck driver may be a jerk, doesn't mean his kids gotta starve because Dad's livelihood has been ruined. Superman is not petty or vindictive, he doesn't need to be, he was raised better than that.
3. More screen time with Faora......because what is there not to like. She is fantastic in every way.
4. Get rid of the school bus saving scene, that was dumb, really dumb and made no sense. Now everybody knows that a pimply faced kid just pushed a 3 ton bus out of the water., then promptly forgets all about it.
If they had to put that silly scene in, at least have Jonathan say "I am proud of you" instead of spinning a confused and scared kid's moral compass every which way by saying "You should have left them to die"
Interesting thoughts! Thanks for watching!
Your fix Man of Steel is not bad however I prefer Nando V movies rewrite of this movie. I wasn't particularly a fan this movie when it came out and I didn't watch the Christopher Reeves movies because I believed you can make Superman interesting without making him dark or evil you can show that he has flaws and internal conflict without him brood be self serious punishing and morally conflicted
He's literally Superman for ONE day in the movie... That's what development means, this is the beginning.
I completely agree with your take. Overall its an ambitious movie that's trying to hard to say something but ends up saying little because it has a heavy handed approach with no levity or humour to balance the tone. Zach snyder was never really the right director for this film and you can see he's lost when trying to develop characters with consistant motivation. There's much to love also here though and certain scenes like the superman's destruction of the world engine are the best of modern cinema. I also think Henry cavill does not have the acting chops to pull the character off fully although he's very likable as superman and I would never do the comparison with Christopher reeve because it's unfair because no actor could do what he did, its a once in a lifetime moment when he was superman
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Zack Snyder made superman into a dickhead .......specially in batman vs superman and justice league made superman unlikable and that reason this movie i think it ok but not great
There is nothing that needs to be fixed. It is one of the best superhero movies ever. Just ahead of its time. Look at all the crap Marvel has put out. This is a fresh breath of air between all the other superhero crap.
if you want to kill johnathan kent go either sacrifice or something innocous like a heart attack to show while supermn is trying to save someone else. hell you could show like clark initally trying to use his powers against a bully or stomping like in football and johanthan stepping in.
What i love about your take is that is not a complete rewrite, There are just some details here and there that really add to the movie
In addition, I'd like to add that the iconic first flight escene must be a little longer and make superman save people all around the world
I agree with you, I think the movie is pretty good, and with your small changes it would've been perfect, its kind of a bummer that it wasn't perfect even though it was pretty close to being it
It's always so frustrating when it's thisclose to being amazing.
1: Being an outcast, makes you cynical. .
2: Clark starting out exactly as he is in the comics, a symbol for hope and justice, is just boring in my opinion. It was a good call for Snyder to start him off at the bottom, slowly working his way up to who he's supposed to be in Justice League.
3: The color grading is a bit desaturated, yes, but the flick is still the most sunny movie in the entire slate of DCEU films. So, you mean it needs more saturation? Well, you are a UA-camr, why not just saturate the movie a bit more on either your tv settings or in Adobe Premiere (making sure the skin tones aren't affected too much)
4: This movie feels more like a modern Superman movie than any of the DC Animated Superman movies, imo. It feels intense, moving, inspiring and not weightless like most DC Animated films feel these days (I'm speaking of the way the animation moves in modern Animated DC Films, it just feels so unbelievably weightless, it barely feels as if the characters are even trying to perform a feat. Which kind of negates the entire reason behind a feat, doesn't it?)
5: A lot of people are saying that Snyder took a too "realistic" take on Superman, with him being so cynical and stuff. But when I saw the movie in theaters and even still, I feel this was exactly what Superman needed. A serious, non ridiculous take on the character. With a no nonsense approach and a powerful message: "Would you want the weight of the world on your shoulders? Neither would Superman, but he will carry it if he must"
Well, I read it... lol
I really enjoyed MoS. The more I watch it I seem to enjoy it more, so after reading your reply to this video I felt like you did a good job defending it. That being said, I like the message Ben is sending in this video. In fact, he pretty much summed it up the best when comparing it to the Captain America movie. Cap was certainly black and white in conscience and morals. And I think that is the only issue really.
I haven't kept up with Superman's character over the years. I've seen some animated movies and a few seasons of Smallville. I can't say that Superman's character has been shown to be this pure good, heart of gold, love your enemies, Christian type. The closest to that would be the Christopher Reeve Superman from 40 years ago. Now that would be a close approximation to the Captain America that Marvel has shown and what I believe Ben is describing.
Regarding the idea of making Superman fit in a modern world, that's tough one. This is obviously something Snyder wanted and many other fans too. Personally, I don't need a superhero's character to change with the times. Character is character. They are who they are. Society, era, whatever. I think that's what Ben is saying. He is familiar with a character and wouldn't want that to change to conform to generational norms. In fact, the stronger the contrast a person's character is to the society they are in, the more interesting it becomes. And I would have to agree that if MoS would have shown Supes to be unquestionably compassionate and forgiving to mankind from beginning to end, I would have enjoyed it more as well. I think everything else was very entertaining and loved Zod's character in this incarnation. Thanks for reading!
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Thank you!
i still like this movie (kind of)
great video by the way, you have a great voice.
I think captain America the first avenger is the best Superman movie😂
I love Man Of Steel and I hate the Superman version from comics which is morally perfect and can’t be beat. I see this as naive storyline and even maybe a kind of propagandia
So yes, make a Superman more cold, more distant from humanity and more challenging was a real pleasure for me. And see a Batman in BvS questionning the potential threat it could be was also really interesting. Because even if it wasn’t the case, it could be and it just a non-sense to see nobody ask the question.
Shut up
Watch movies based on what you were given not what you wanted it to be
He's not going to like with that mindset that you're thinking of
As much as I love zod as the villain I would have switched him out with lex and go the smallville route it’d show the backstory of Superman and how he was raised to be a gentle kind being but also knows when to take charge and we could have his dad die Lana Lang die and Pete move away half way through the movie to where he moves to metropolis and he works at the daily planet and builds a homemade tactical Superboy suit to save people also wait to give him the Superman suit have it kind of like an honor to have the suit really just make him more interesting
@Erik Kemeey The Snyder Cut was awesome.
MoS is meant to be if superman was real and thats exactly what it is
And this is what everyone who has an argument like this doesn't understand....they are all stuck in the the nostalgia of the Christopher Reeve movies....
Oh please unbreakable is way more realistic than this
Nope, it goes even beyond real and becomes gritty and dark. Life is not just about depression, but good things are here too, you just have to watch around yourself to find out.
Just try
It seems more like you don't get Man of Steel. Yes I know, the character has always been potrayed as uplifting and hopfull for humanity, however they never question what is best for Clark. This movie does. Should humanity simply save themselves? What is the purpose of a Superhero in the first place?
In MoS the answer is: Somone who is willing to sacrifice himself for humanity no matter how difficult or hard it is, specially when it comes to choices.
In BvS the question is extended to Does Superman cause more trouble than good? Can we trust a person who is simply saving people out of his own moral codes?
Superman has been portrayed so many times with the answer: "just because" in these situations.
Clark wants to save people "just because thats the right thing to do"
Humanity loves superman "just because he is helping them"
These movies as the question: "Why?" and "How" and explores these aspects, and finds all the shades and grayzones of these actions to see what scenarios would make more sense for these circumstances actually to take place.
Why is humanity worth saving? How do you actualy save humanity? How do you inspire humanity? What does humanity want? Do they need a superman?
How do you become a savour figure? What challanges would you face if you decide to save people randomly? What resposibilities do you have as s Superman? Can you ever say no, or do you always have to save somone? etc etc
These are not easy questions, and the film never decides to give you simple answers
I actually really liked how realistic this movie was tho
I liked this movie I most definitely didn't love it but it wasn't the worst movie I'd seen
I'd agree
No matter what Henry Cavill has my heart
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Hello!
Great video. Love this section. 😍I would definitely have changed something about Lois Lane character and her relation with Superman. I'll be honest, I hate her. That moment when she sees some strange thing in a space ship and she tries to take a picture and she gets hurt, it just looks really unprofessional to me. And I didnt see any development in their relationship... Just my opinion. Maybe I just don't like Amy Adams that much
I like it. Simple, elegant.
Thank you! 😊
Another youtuber who doesn't understand this movie.... stuck in the nostalgia of previous incarnations....
Nostalgia has nothing to do with people not liking this movie
I would like to see superman as the brooding man as seen in man of steel and then as the film progresses, he learns to be more than super and becomes the man.
You see, that would have been great
Center Row I highly recommend you watch the movie Unbreakable it answers the questions of what if Superman was in the real world but he didn't know that he was Superman.
You know I just realized something. If superman could break zod's neck. Then someone could break his. Kinda damming decision.
Oh. Good point.
In regards to this new character I accepted that the director was giving the character his own spin so rather than compare this superman to his MANY different versions i viewed him as if he is a completely new character.
Also he still feels 80-90% like superman to me anyway
That’s the difference with us I believe. Definitely feels like a new character, and doesn’t feel like the character I actually like much at all. Maybe like 10-20%
I missed this video last week. I thought I had the bell turned on for your channel. Damn! Well. either or I am watching now.
Haha thanks for watching
Center row do a fix on suicide squad and Batman v superman.
I've considered it, but they would be challenging. I generally cover "good but not great" movies because there's enough good material there where I can just suggest a few tweaks that would have made the movie better. With messes like Suicide Squad and BvS I'd really have to basically rewrite them from scratch, which would be very challenging. But, maybe I will one of these days (if this video performs well, which so far it is not).
@@CenterRow Then do Thor 2 and captain marvel.
Superman is complicit in killing probably thousands of people during a reckless fight in downtown Metropolis, and then we're supposed to buy his despair at the end when Zod is about to laser that one family of 3? It's so unearned it's not funny. Snyder has no clue what makes Superman a great superhero. It's laughably bad how 'cool' and jaded (to use your word) Superman was in this film. That's why Reeves was better, because he was a boy scout and actually tried to help people around him, instead of smashing his enemies around populated locations destroying literally everything. It's the opposite of what Superman should be doing.
I'd agree. I feel there's a middle ground (The Superman from the DC Animated TV Shows is a good place to start).
You're delusional. Superman is not responsible for anyone's death in the final battle. The massive death toll was caused by the World Engine. If you are trying to suggest that he didn't care about the destruction, then you are sorely mistaken.
And I don't think Reeves was better. He was different. He didn't help people any more than Cavill did. He just had the advantage of operating on a smaller budget which limited the destruction that was available.
@@julianseguin2748 hewas throwing Zod into buildings constantly
@kafu Kemeh At one point he did take him into space, yes. But apart from that I saw no desperation from him trying to get the fight out of the city. If Snyder understood the character he would have made it clear that Superman was trying to get him away from the people of Metropolis, but he didn't. He should have yelled "take this out of the city Zod, innocent people are dying" but he didn't. Sunder was too scared to make him care, and instead wanting him to be in a huge badass city destruction fight scene.
@kafu Kemeh I'm not saying Zod wasnt trying to destroy the city but Superman wasn't making any real effort to get him away. It just seemed like he was destroying the city just as much as Zod. That to me is not Superman. Show some distress at the level of destruction you're causing ffs.
Will you do something similar for... Uhh... Superman Returns?
Probably not seeing as this video isn't performing very well 😞
@@CenterRow I'm sorry man. But if it helps, these ARE pretty good videos. Well made, well edited and well presented.
@@lord_vwphaeton1883 Thanks, I appreciate it! I just chose a topic for this one that isn't really relevant.
Superman returns is definitely a movie to fix. Lol This guy chose the wrong movie to fix....
Exactly!
This is such a beautiful video that exactly captured how I felt about this movie. I always wondered how Superman, who's supposed to represent the pinnacle of human behavior, lacks compassion within him. It baffled me, only if this had more humanity within it, the film would've worked.
What do you mean that Superman lacked compassion in this movie?
@@zhengyingli He was very stoic.
@@anirudhgoud5035 Being stoic doesn't mean he lacks compassion or else he wouldn't have saved as many people as he did.
@@zhengyingli Even if he did, since I saw a lot of chaos and destruction that was mindless, that wasn't the main focal point of Superman. The people he saves were random inserts rather than a genuine concern for him that drives the plot. He does so, in order stop Zod, but that doesn't seem to arise from his concern for humanity as a whole.
@@anirudhgoud5035 Why would he go out of his way to lose his job in order to save the oil rig workers if he didn't have genuine concern for them? What other reason would Superman have to defeat Zod besides wanting to protect the human race from him?
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Another great video! If you are looking for feedback, I found the soaring music in the background kinda distracting.
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While it had some flaws, I thought the Luke Cage series did a good job of showing what an undercover Superman would be like in the real world. It had a lot of interesting moments where you see he's capable of doing all these incredible things, but he's reluctant to show the powers to anyone outside of his circle of trust.
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Don't forget the movie Unbreakable
@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 That's one that I never got around to watching.
Wow I like this movie, I feel like I’d love your version.
Thanks!
No problem, I feel like WB may have forced Zack’s hand when it came to this film, the obviously did with Justice League. I hope he gets the story nailed with his second attempt, visually he is almost unrivaled as a director in this genre.
This is actually a good fix
Thank you!
You should try to fix BvS next, have never heard your thoughts on it.
LaCoffeeBro yes especially with the Lex problem and the no legged man being the DCEU Metallo
I've honestly thought about it, but that movie has so many issues I'm not sure how I could fix it without totally rewriting it.
Center Row well you know main issues from making Batman a killer, bad casting choices most notably Lex Luthor and forcing the death of superman and bringing the Justice league.
The Justice League setup stuff was kinda stupid imo.
LaCoffeeBro thank you
Please review anime your name
It's my favorite anime! Not sure if I have anything to add to the conversation besides "it's amazing and made me cry" though haha
Great
Thanks!
Zack Snyder can’t make characters that are actually good people. Everyone he writes has to be a piece of shit that acts heroically. It works for Watchmen, a deconstruction on the Comic formula, but DC is not that and it shows Snyder’s lack of range.
I think Snyder's Superman is actually a good person.
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I personally LOVE Man Of Steel. One of my favorite Superhero movies. It showed a good human side to Superman and it felt realistic. The scale and action is great because it shows how 2 ultra-powerful alien beings would just make our concrete buildings look like cardboard to them. But good video nonetheless.
I don't see the realism of a guy shooting laser from his eyes.
Seriously haven't you seen Smallville? That show humanised Superman a lot
Wrestling Anime 4life It's not about the Superman character himself being realistic, it's about placing a superhuman being into a world of consequence like our's. Zack Snyder himself compared it to Greek Gods and how whenever they interacted with the human world it had repercussions. There's nothing wrong with that type of vision for a superhero movie.
@@satanclaus1693 We've already seen that type of vision in the comics(Kingdom Come) and animated feature nothing new.
Wrestling Anime 4life I never said it was new?
@@satanclaus1693 The issue with this movie its simple
Lack. Of. Effort.
Sooo many scenes could have easily handled better, especially for Cavill.
No, this movie is exactly what the director wanted to do: an embodiment of objectivism, not a clone of Batman (who does sacrifice himself for Gotham so nobody has to suffer what he went trough when he was a child). Watch The Worst Critic video on BvS for further a information and don't try to fix the unfixable..
An objectivist Superman sounds amazing.