Jak & Daxter - Was The Return Of Gol & Maia Planned For "Jak 4"? Jak 3 Hint!
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2017
- According to the official guide of Jak 3, Gol & Maia were hinted at possibly returning in the future. Samos in Jak & Daxter 1 believed that the dark eco could've maybe not killed them.
Jak entered the precursor catacombs in Jak 3, and it is believed that Gol & Maia could have escaped the dark eco but are looking for a way out.
Was their return planned for Jak 4 all along?
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They have bathtubs in the catacombs. But they are bathtubs filled, with dark eco.
What you did there, I see it.
This comment. THIS COMMENT IS A GIFT TO THE WORLD
Hahaha you win the comments.
"Listen here old man are you going to keep on yapping!?"
"I told ya we shouldn't have come here, and you listened!" 😂
jak 4 > half life 3.
Oldschool Quikie you win
Agreed 100%
Indeed
Sadly, we've come to a point where HL3 is now a reality and Naughty Dog is being shamed for TLOU2's reception.
#Facts
I for some odd reason imagine Gol and Maia having fused into some sort of single insane mutant form. "Gol and Maia... are no more... There is only... GAIA!"
I'm scared.
@@VtnVivi Speaking of Dark Eco, I'm transforming my characters into those white skinned monstrosities.
AAAAA thar sounds awesoooome!!!
Or their fusion could be called... ... ... ...
MALL
GAIA. Just like our planet
Just imagine how badass of a boss fight this could be in Jak 4. We may never know, but there’s always hope.
Imagine how surprised they'd be to see jak had only aged like 3 years when they get out LOL
Oh yes!
If they do comeback then they'll see jak's new upgrades.
Michael Noble rip
samori rhoden I'm serious.
Michael Noble i know i maent rip to them
samori rhoden oh. Then carry on.
"What?! He can talk??"
Oh Jak 4 I'm still hoping one day it will be a Jak 4.😓
Ernesto sibbley won't be until another decade
Maybe once I turn 90.
Hell, Imma preorder this game if it does come out! Jak and Daxter is my childhood! They were hard to beat now in 2019 with the PS3 HD remastered, it was so freaking easy.
Thank you for still keeping our hopes alive for Jak 4. Great content!
That means a lot thank you :D
I hope Naughty Dog watch this video ;D
Imagine Jak 4 in VR and with realistic graphics like Monster Hunter and Apex Legends!
I always felt like Gol and Maia were never really explored in J+DTPL. It was like, they were just the bad guys and the levels were more important. "Oh they just experimented on Dark eco" is not enough lore for me. The other 4 safes obviously knew about dark eco and it's dangers and yet they just let Gol and Maia just have fun with it.
I always felt like there should have been lore books in the citadel that note what they had found on their expirments. Thoughts and diaries that showed them descend into this dark corrupt way even finding out WHY they wanted to plunge the land into darkness using the dark eco silos.
Tell me about it!
Idea: Gol died in that time and drove Maia even more insane. She blames Jak for it and contacts the dark makers resulting in a full invasion.
Maia solo? I'd imagine that.
or she learns about time travel and brings back Kor and Errol
Thats more Kingdom Hearts thing😂😂😂 dont call Nomura to this😂😂 complicating the story line@@nikyghostiedova
Gol and maia: finally!! We get out of the catacombs after a hundred years ( enter jak and daxter)
Gol and maia:i think we stay on the catacombs:'v
Haha
The only possible way I can see if Naughty Dog or another developer are going to continue this franchise is to bring back Gol and Maya. That way they can bring back old fans from the series and also new ones. And if they do that they should really try to bring the light tone from the first game combined with the dark one from Jak 2, kinda like Jak X because the story was serious, dark and humorous when it had to be without having issues with the story having too comedy or seriousness.
ND moved on, so there's that. I agree with the rest.
So the guy who worked on the first 3 games said hes working on an old mainstay of play station, pretty positive its jak 4
Super late to the game but you imagine the reactions between jak daxter samos Gol snd mya after meeting again hundreds of years later? What a fantastic plot.
i would love to see these two make a come back, i was so hyped when i read this in the book.
fingers crossed
:D
what can i say, im a sucker for old villains making come backs to fight the good guys once again, its always so fun
Gol and Maia were awesome.
Even if they do come back they are probably gonna look alot like daxter XD
If u cross both fingers that means bad luck to superstitious people
Gol becomes the metal head leader after hundreds of years of exposure. They even fall into the dark eco in a METAL HEAD
I will love them to come back. They was interesting characters. That be awesome to jak and daxter face them in jak 4.
Jak now talks and has guns, wonder how they'll face him this time.
@@VtnViviwhat about if Gol and Maia find out that Jak can control dark eco?
@@mjwgamer145 That'd make for an interesting situation!
Them and clockwerk need to return to their respective franchises.
Agreed.
By this time, Gol and Maia probably mastered dark eco by now, if they do come back, most likely they'll prove a real challenge for Jak.
Maia was always a hottie and I bet if they bring her and Gol back, she will still be as hot
@Boo Hoo 😂😍
Well not if Naughty Dog does it based on how they made the females look in TLOU2, but maybe if another developer takes over.
Honestly, if Jak 4 ever does happen, I think the idea of Gol and Maia returning in the way you suggest should only be like, half the game’s story with the other half featuring the Dark Makers making one last desperate push to take over the planet now that the Precursors are gone. Perhaps, after Jak opened up the catacombs and Gol and Maia have escaped and started to reek havoc across the globe, the Dark Makers have one last large scale invasion, using Gol and Maia as another diversion to send in scouts to the planet (which we will get hints of through the use of reports of meteors).
Basically, during the first half of the game, the mission and story is more light hearted, similar to the first Jak and Daxter game although with the necessary edginess from Jak 2 onwards to fit within the current world. Although I do believe the main enemy types during this section of the game would be Metal Heads and some brainwashed Lurkers (to cause some tension between Jak and Bruter). But as the battle between Gol and Maia draws nearer, a few stray Dark Makers will get caught up in the fray. After a mid game boss fight with a Dark Maker scout drone, Jak brings up the appearances of Dark Makers, but everybody just assumes it’s just remnants of the Dark Maker’s forces from before (except for Seam, whom believes that the Dark Makers are returning with a vengeance and might be using Gol and Maia as a distraction but Jak is the only one to believe them).
After a few missions in the second half of the game’s story, Jak is battling Gol and Maia, and just when you think the battle is over, some kind of Dark Maker Scout appears and either kills both Gol and Maia, kills one of them and injures the other or injures them both (if injured for one or both of them, this sparks an uneasy truce between Jak and his oldest foes).
The later half of the game is basically Jak working with all his allies (and Gol and Maia if they are still alive), trying desperately to stop the large scale invasion (imagine a fleet of Dark Makers, larger than they thought possible), only to fail initially. Maybe, after some time, Samos (and Gol) suggest finding any Eco Sages (new ones, because like you say, the originals are likely dead) that could be around. The final parts of the game is similar to the original in that Jak is travelling to different locations around the world and is trying to the find the Sages. After a while, Jak and Daxter return with the new lot of Eco Sages for the fight.
The big boss battle at the end could have Jak protecting the different Eco Sages instead of fighting the final boss himself. Throughout the fight, the Sages could all be doing damage to whatever the head Dark Maker is, slowly chipping away at its health bar. In the end, after what I would hope to be a highly stressful boss battle, they defeat the head Dark Maker, but they discover there was a cost, seeing Gol, and/or Maia, and/or Samos lying down on the ground, dying from exerting too much of their power to take out the Dark Maker. Before they can mourn, Jak is attacked by a weakened Dark Maker leader and is separated from the Sages. There is a second stage to the battle which involves Jak fighting the Dark Maker leader one on one, no Daxter, no Sages, no guns, just Light and Dark Eco at his disposal and his fists. After this battle, the final task of the story could be that Jak has to escape the Dark Maker mother ship as it explodes using nothing but his platforming skills.
After this, the story could end with a final send off for them, all pretty much settling down to not worry about Dark Makers or Metal Heads or Dark Eco ever again.
This is just me, but I personally feel like this would be a nice Jak 4 and finale for the series. Of course, everybody is going to have a different opinion on how Jak 4 should go if it ever gets made and this is mine. Of course, a few changes to story beats or new ones should be added to what I suggested if this is a similar enough story to what Jak 4 would be. Hell, for all we know, since Jak X is part of the main canon, characters from that one could show up to help Jak, maybe give him weapons/armour/vehicle upgrades.
Loved reading this! Thank you for taking your time :)
VTNVIVI No problem, I was just sharing my thoughts. Although, I’m glad you liked reading it.
speaking about the sages 2:36 ever since Jak 2 and onward the three sages(blue,red,and yellow)have never been mentioned ever again or brought up again by any of the characters,since Jak 2 I've always wondered what happened to them,we know that samos is from the future and he would have been born years after these sages,do you think they could have been killed by the metal heads?
Either killed or got old and died.
The Programmer of video games and what happened to the other ecos
@@jakglados2923 well even if they died we know from jak 2 that those type of Ecos are used (ateast for jak) as weapons. I know that jak is the only one using that weapons but for example jak isn't the only one using pacemaker (dark eco gun). I know what do u mean. There is no more the type of eco there was before. I guess they learned how to use it in other stuff
It feels hopeless, as Jak and Daxter seem to be 6 feet under now😔😔 let’s pray for this franchise to rise up from the vault 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Yeah :/
Pc port: I am here to kinda save the day with the power of mods.
Jax and Dexter"we are not dead"!!!! me"we can still hear there voices on the wind"
It would be cool to see Gol & Maia return to go to revive Mar using Dark Eco like a Lazarus Pit to create “Dark Mar” to battle Jak & Daxter, then Jak has to try to find a way to use Light or White Eco to defeat and cure Mar who leads a new DarkMaker Army against Haven & Spargus
Just having these two brought back would be fantastic!
I've personally given up hope on a Jak 4 just so when it does come out I'll be that much more excited. Right know I just want to know what's going to be done with the ratchet and clank series next.
I nominate Toys For Bob to pick up the torch.
Obviously they would've returned. How else could all the dark eco soon be theirs?
In Jak and Daxter Precursor Legacy Samos said: "The Dark Eco MAYBE have destroyed them"
Yep Maybe!
He said probably..not maybe
Recently discovered your channel and have binged all of your Jak videos! Here's to hoping for Jak 4!
Oh :O! Thanks for the support!
Lol this is what me and my cousin predicted would be the antagonists of Jak 4. Glad we weren't the only ones.
Your outro is incredible, pure nostalgia
Hello, a day days ago I wrote a journal blog regarding this topic here it is:
12/25/20
Lately, I was playing Jak and Daxter: The precursor legacy. For some reason, I have become interested in Gol and especially Maia, the “villains” of the game studied dark eco, which somehow transformed them not for the good.
Prior to their transformation, Gol and Maia were known to be nice people. I once watched a video about possible return in the postponed game, Jak 4. I believe they both are redeemable, meaning they can be changed back to their original state and be the nice, sweet people they once were. I would like to witness their redemption as well as their back story.
Always though about it, especially with the Jak 1 lines of Samos saying "Hm yes they probably dead, hmm yes probably" clearly showing they not
Could be amazing to see Jak 4 still in the same world with haven city etc but also mixing time travel and space
Like Gol and Maia taking over Haven City, being unstoppable because of their perfect control of Dark Eco, even by Jak, that should travel in time and space to find Gol and Maia weakness or find a weapon/knowledge to stop them
Why is there no Jak 4 :( so many lore, the story could be easily made
Their return would be perfect!
@@VtnVivi Honestly I can Gol and Maia new plan. To engulf the world in dark eco. Starting with Haven City. As for how they'll both look like. They probably look similar to Dark Jak appearance. You know with the white skin/hair and black horns/long nails. But doubt Gol and Maia will use the Lurker for their military forces. I was thinking maybe they'll use marauders instead. Creating dark eco swords and ax gun weapons for the marauders. So they can easily defend themselves when searching for a large supply of dark eco.
If you think about it, Gol looks a lot like the old man in charge of Mar
I'd love to see them come back, also for the story, it would be interesting if they both play the villain for like half of the story but then one of them (the one that went less crazy from dark eco) seeing that jak has some sort of connection to light eco, might turn good to save the other one from going completely nuts and self destruction, and work together with jak to try and go back to normal, after all that time imprisoned, they might just wish for a normal life again, and after the end of the conflict, they'd try to reveal secrets of dark eco that could be used for genetics like healing with mutation, like giving a new limb to a person instead of having to have a mechanical one, and also studying white eco with jak, they could balance dark eco and introduce eco back to the world like it was in jak 1 but this time with better tech to study it and use it too. This would give them a good ending and also leave plenty of room for other games if they make money with jak 4 and want to continue the story from there.
its like prehistoric tar, once theyre stuck theyre STUCK in the same age
Oh, Man!! Good times. Brings tears. My childhood is coming back. I feel so OLD!!!!!!! ❤
Hearing about Gol and Maia returning all messed up and uglier than ever just gave me shivers down my spine :D
BOO!
No but seriously, I got shiver down my spine when I saw the final boss of Breath of the Wild because Ganon became all ugly in a non-human form. I LOVE it. So in my opinion, if Gol and Maia were to have that same fate, being all ugly and monsterous, that would be AWESOME!!! Can someone please do a drawing of this xD
What if they’re the dark makers?
But in disguise.
(Spooky now)
Spooky
I believe they're not only alive but also got out long ago, sometime after Jak & the gang went to the future at the end of Jak 1, AND are the ones responsible for the mysterious Dark Eco facilities found all over The Brink during Lost Frontier...
Hmm... Lost Frontier I haven't played, interesting.
Kyzoren D. Tirrem the lost frontier doesn't count for story, it wasn't made by naughty dog. It's not canon. It's basically a rip off of the jak and daxter name. No story elements from previous games are even mentioned.
I used to have a crush on Maia when I was a kid (still do), so I would definitely be pleased to see her return, alongside Gol, in a future Jak game.
In new armor and stuff :O
I'm not sure if I have already said this but your intro and outro are beautiful. And Daxter was blessed by the Precursors when he fell in the dark eco pool so maybe dark eco doesn't behave that differently after all (meaning that if the Precursors didn't interfere he would probably have been destroyed or something). But Gol and Maia however were already exposed to it for some time and perhaps with only a little exposure at a time until they got more used to it. I would be very interested to see what kind of powers they have.
Aww thank you! If Daxter was blessed, then why an ottsel? I understand the precursors were ottsels, but couldn't they have thought of something better? Plus, Lost Frontier (yeah it sucks according to 90% of people), but when he was into contact with it again he wasn't blessed, he turned into a monster. Also I think they said "blessed'' because it could've been a lot worse.
Yep that's a bit odd that they chose to turn him into an ottsel but hey they seemed at least equally odd. I don't regard Lost Frontier as canon (at least not much as the other games developed by Naughty Dog) and I feel like the developers just wanted to play with the stuff the earlier games had given possibilities to. But maybe Daxter had kind of been filled up with dark eco even though not in the destructive way that Jak was because of the ottsels. Or maybe his second touch with dark eco created a reaction that was more "normal" because the ottsels didn't do anything this time. I don't know :D
When Veger, uses the precursor light, he became a precursor himself
Yo. Idk what the video you made was called but you talked about not knowing how much time passed from jak 1 to jak 2, well you just answered it for me and for us all right away in this video from what the strategy guide says. Gol and Maya were down in the catacombs for a couple of hundred years! 💪
Nvm you knew that! Lmao
:P
They were exposed to dark eco to much already wouldn't they get destroyed if they came into contact with any more and in spider caves crystallized dark eco exploded when touched they could have been destroyed but as you said dark eco is unpredictable who knows what could have happened to them
Seeing as how Gol at least studied it, maybe he knew how to survive including his sister.
True correct me if i'm wrong but we have never seen what happens to machines if they have been touched by dark eco have we i don't remember
@@timsheppard6204 They'll probably look similar to the dark makers. Since some of the Dark Makers were precursors exposed to dark eco within precursor robots. Maybe Gol and his sister would have a humanist form, fuse with precursor robot parts and armor.
Last time Gol and Maia saw Jak, Jak was pretty much a kid, if they saw him now, after he's gained both light and dark eco powers, gun powers, and talkin powers, I'm like 90 percent sure they'd turn tail and run
Like seriously :P
zachary Westhoff gun powers? He can use guns but wtf is a gun power? And talking is a power? I guess I'm a super hero then
Yay! Gol and Mya coming back would be great, I just went back through and played jak & Daxter I got all 101 preseeker orbs! :D Lol great theory's VTNVIVI! :D
So light eco energon and dark eco dark energon green eco green energon like from transformers prime
whatever monsters they may or may not have became, could maybe live a very long time... you really could take it anywhere... you can create your own lore for this simply for the fact dark eco is SO unpredictable....
Exactly!
I think Jak 4 is all about young Jak and he fights Gol and Maia again, like the first Jak and Daxter, but with new skills, locations and maybe with new eco. And after he defeats Gol and Maia, young Jak starts to build Haven City as Mar.
If ever we get a new Jak someday, I'd love for the old platforming aspects to return.
I would so love this, but would also love to know what happened to the other sages as well.
Amazing video and VTNVIVI is the voice of jak in the video lol 😂
I like to think that Dark Eco working differently might also be affected by its present forms. Like with Daxter turning into his dark mutant/'Otselhulk'form, the eco was mostly in liquid form, except at the final one transformation. Jak got experimented with 'energy-form' variant, and the environmental hazard one, that also turned Daxter, seems to be some sort of "Raw/'Unrefined'-form".
Just tossing these thoughts in for the theories.
I can't wait to see Jak 4 in the future I know naughty dog will bring this back someday in the very VERY near future
Gol and mia escape from the catacombs.
Jak & Daxter arrive
Gol and mia: surprised pikachu face
This is as far as we know about dark eco so far and what can't and can do certain types of things on sentient beings. A normal person expose to dark eco, either dies or lucky enough to turn into a precursor like Dexter. While a person who can channels eco or control dark eco. Only effect the individual mentally, physically and personality. Although it's a mystery what prolong exposure to dark eco can do to a eco channeler like Jak or a Eco Sage like Gol and Maia.
I have a question to ask you that I think could also possibly work as the topic of a Jak and Daxter video.
If Jak 4 ever does happen, when do you think it should take place ? After Jak 3, Jak X, or Jak and Daxter:The Lost frontier ?
After Lost Frontier I'd say.
The lost frontier isn't a jak game how many times must I say it. The lost frontier should only be called that and remove the jak and daxter because it wasn't made by naughty dog for one, for two it has nothing in common with the other games. Jak is not jak in that game... It's not canon it might as well be a dream that daxter had or something. It makes no sense compared to the other games
It would be cool to see them again they were my favourite villains in the series!
Also, Gol and Maia were dark eco sages if i remember correctly? They could have controlled the eco somehow to save themselves? :O
Also, Dark eco acts differently on anyone, so perhaps they were kept alive.
@@VtnVivi It's possible that their control and compatibility to dark eco. Could've caused them to survive. They were gonna ingolf the world and dark eco, so maybe their control over dark eco, has protected and preserved them. If Jak can survive two long years of exposure to dark eco. Then I'm sure Gol and his sister can survive 300 years of dark eco, since they're are master of that element.
I have a question about gol and Mia did they knew and kor or have they meet at one stage before jak, looked like in jak 1?
I take it they didn't know Kor. Kor appeared in Jak 2, way after Jak dealt with the duo.
I imagine that you would have to find the new eco sages in order to stop them for good
Btw? Anyone......whats the song at the end called? Its like a blast in the past when i hear it. But, i love how it sounds. Its sounds so beautiful and lighten.
Final Fantasy 13-2 Credits :P
If they ever decide to make Jak 4 I can see the return of these two. But I also see the possibility of these two have a different form altogether since they were trapped in a dark eco catacomb.
I hope so but we be ready for them.
I want more Jak content plz ❤️☺️
VTNVIVI I enjoyed your theory and have something to add.
I believe it's possible Gol and Maia have something to do with the Dark Makers, they seem to share an agenda - remaking the world using dark eco.
Perhaps Gol became a master by studying with them?
Let's not forget they were also in possession of the Rift Gate that set the Metalheads loose.
I'm intrigued to know your thoughts on this.
He could have joined them! However going with what ND believes, Gol and Maia are still on their own I'd say.
VTNVIVI imagine Gol and Maia getting their own terraformer/doomsday machine like Erol at the end of Jak 3 lol
the official guide also mentions white eco can mutate things on page 38 if we had a jak 4 would this also have been a potential plot point.
It would be cool that game reaches Full circle so that you defeat Bosses from first game once and for all. I would also Like to see some time traveling Like in second game, so that you go back and forth in time in order to solve some mission etc. And also asembly of New order of sages, deepened lore about echo, maybe a good dark echo sage to replace Evil gol and Something more about Light echo. And i Hope that they reduce mistake from jak 3, that they balance content with actual gameplay
Sounds interesting :D
Precursor buildings and artifacts last and work for seemingly eons, unless there was some massive seismic occurance I doubt the silo would be going anywhere. What I feel is more likely that they along with many locations were connected to the core in some way instead of being simply made for storage.
Jak was slowly exposed to Dark Eco over couple of years and trough his connection to the Precursors was given control over various powers and abilities, Gol and Maia (having no connection to the Precursors themselves) may not have exhibitied said powers and abilities but having been exposed and studied Dark Eco for a better part of their lives most likely left them with knowledge and understanding that would easily help them survive even direct contact.
However as you said the results from this are nothing if not unpredictable so their survival could hinge on them either gaining total control over it to somehow simply being preserved in it, be it as some freakish abominations or Dark Eco popsicles.
Interesting little factoid I had not heard about before and would have been an interesting thing to add to the trilogy.
What is hilarious is that Gol & Maia had no idea that precursor dna is apparently contained in Dark Eco. Because like Jak & Daxter find out, Daxter thought he was cursed, when he was actually blessed. Maia had said to Daxter, "just wait little one, you think short & fuzzy was bad" which to me, proves that Gol & Maia were obviously still ignorant as to how Dark Eco works completely. I agree that Dark Eco effects everyone differently & that it also effects everyone who was already touched by it differently.
Thanks for sharing!
What's the music that plays over the close of the video?
That's from the credits of Final Fantasy 13-2 :)
Jak 1 was in the past. Future jak from the past saved the day in Jak 2 but younger jak was sent to past to defeat gol and maya. Only to befriend an old samos but was watched by a younger samos in the future...... WTF ???🤦🏽♂️⚡️
Naughty Dog's time travel haha
So there's an image out there where Gol is in some warp stream. It's concept art of Jak 4 from Naughty Dog, the scraped project they cancelled to move on to the Last of Us. Link is below:
www.finder.com.au/naughty-dog-shoots-down-jak-and-daxter-4-after-concept-art-leaks
Is it really Gol though?
I mean it's not confirmed but it sure as hell looks like him bro
I do hope they return. After Veger opened the catacombs and Errol's demise, they could in fact be the new leaders of the dark makers and acting as the primary antagonists. Their goal is to engulf the world in dark eco to make it more beautiful. Rayn and the new leader of the metalheads (they'll never go away) could act as the secondary antagonists. Rayn wants to seize control and the new metalhead leader wants to revive their previous leader Kor through time travel shenanigans which could pose a bigger treat in the endgame...
So much potential!
I hope that they do revive the series and give us a answer to this question
They hinted Gnasty Gnorc returning in the final cutscene in Spyro The Dragon.
you do have alot of what do you called it? facts, mystery, and many more releated to this games i respect that we all still have no idea who mar is or how the story is i mean the crystals light eco and dark eco who created them? and the precursors and here is one thing i would like to now, those ottsels wich is the precursors, where they humans and them transformed by touching the dark eco look example at daxter from the 1st game he was human until he turned him self to the one even though he was not suppose to be look like that or wanted to be ottsel
Glad you enjoyed the video! About the precursors, which I will cover soon, I feel like they were always ottsels, THEY created eco and most likely dark eco was discovered by them. Some of them got corrupted and turned into dark makers. Daxter turning into an ottsel maybe has to do with the ottsels coming into contact with it, think of uhm... DNA let's say. Their essence was present in dark eco. Daxter got that fate.
You need to take some grammar lessons. For one can't understand what you are trying to say. For two you must not have paid attention obviously the precursors made the dark and light eco stones and it explains in jak 3 EXACTLY why daxter turned into and ottsel.
Gol was already exposed to dark eco in Jak 1. Samos pointed it out once he appears at the fire sage hut. Dunno about Maya but I think Gol might pull through the silo bath.
Gol was the dark Eco sage until Lost Frontier if you want to count that game. Anywho, Gol had the best knowledge on dark eco despite his doing I'd say so with that, I'm sure they both survived but just stuck.
That theory with Dark Eco and stoping person from aging kinda reminds me on freezing yourself
Something like that.
Ok I have a question:
In the precursor legacy Samos was just knowing that dexter won t became human again, because he already met before jak in the future of jak 2 and he already met before also dexter rat version...
So why he try the same to help dexter in the precursor legacy???
Samos when he went back in time, he wasn't too familiar with Daxter. Also he turned old, maybe forgot to consider the true facts.
VTNVIVI and how do you explain the fact that all the essay was alive in the precursor legacy but Samos the essay of the green eco was there only because he travel back to time?
Francesco Pallotta essay? You mean sage right? And duh because they aren't gonna spoil three games worth of story that's why they didn't acknowledge that samos knew anything
Jak 4 should probably be set in the Metal Head war, before Jak 2 and after Jak 1.
I theories that the Metal Heads when first invading from the rift needed Dark Eco to grow and get stronger as it is obviously needed in their development to take over the humans.
So that would mean they were too weak to destroy the villages completely and would fly to the closest sources of Dark Eco, most of which are silos which they probably covered in eggs.
So chances are, if they were alive, they were somewhat freed when their dark eco silo was opened and then probably killed.
But if you were to make a Jak 4 in the time period I referring to you’d have Mar vs Metal Heads and maybe one of the twins survived and helped the Metal Head first assault, becoming the first story arc or second arc boss. Since Jak is Mar names after the family of Mar who were related to Mar from the House of Mar. He could easily be played as Mar fighting along side his great great grandparents in the 300 years of war against the metal heads (only 200 because mar disappeared).
So yeah, that’d be interesting
It's a shame they abandoned this game series
I thuogh they gone but dark eco can people just erol right when racing jak he crash into a dark eco supplies
Maybe since they were in the catacombs they stumbled upon the precursors, before haven city was even started. Then they became dark otssel precursors and created the Dark Makers. Like the one seen in Jak 3
Hmm... The Dark Makers existed long before Gol and Maia though.
VTNVIVI you don't know that for sure... Dark makers could have come into existence any time in the several hundred years that jak and co. were sent into the future. They WERE ONCE precursors. Their using dark eco could have happened any time in that span of several hundred years. We aren't told exactly when they come to be how we seem them in jak 3. Think about it
Man I love this series, it has been years tho so I'm a but fuzzy on the lore and all the time traveling. But it would be amazing if they brought back the series and had Gol and Maia be the bug bads. For all we know the dark eco completely changed them into some sort of monster, making them not really even the same duo.
Just imagine :O
So glad I commented about this hopefully naughty dog gives the rights to a good team like insomniac or sanzaru
Insomniac is not interested with the franchise. So cross that one out of your list.
Also I may not care for lost frontier but my head cannon is gol turned back to human and became that guy you meet on the island he has the same glove as gol
Maia came came back as Lady Dimitrescu
I’m working on a Jak 4 open goal project. Any storyline ideas
Maybe Gol and Maia escape the dark eco pool since Samos said the dark eco “probably” destroyed them and they come to get revenge on Jak and Daxter
Yeah that’s what I was thinking
I think at this point we might as well assume the dark eco did indeed destroy them and move on with our lives. I'll always consider the ending to Jak 3 as the cannon finale and JakX/Lost Frontier being non cannon/side adventures.
But...They did study Dark Eco. If one were to survive the longest, it'd be them.
Sure would be nice to know for sure. I would love to play one more game if it meant facing those two again.
Jak x is definitely canon it is hinted at in jak 3's guidebook heavily when mentioning krew.
And here I am... in 2020 waiting for Jak 4... :
The amount of dark eco could have made them ageless. I seriously wouldn't doubt it especially since dark eco used to be one of those touch it and you die things but now its used for weapons and experimentation and stuff.
Also dark eco just acts differently on everyone. Gol was dark eco sage, he surely knew how to control it and understand it better than others.
Instead of Jak 4, they should make Jak: Keira for VR
Hey Vi!
Old times huh?
Imagine that Gol and Maia might return in the new Jak and Daxter 4 to take revenge on Jak and Daxter and things might happen
I think so
What if they go further back in time and daxter became the progenitor of the precursor race with Tess and making still becomes the Mar of legend
I'd do anything to have another proper jak and daxter game. The treatment this franchise got for such quality is just not fair. And Maia with today's graphics? Yes. Yes. Yes. Please don't give up on this gem Naughty Dog.
I feel they've already given up with this gem. I wouldn't mind a new team picking it up :)
The way Samos acts in the ending of Jak and Daxter TPL made it seem like there could of been a small chance of them surviving with how much doubt was in his voice.
I get Naughty Dog wanting to go another direction but I really wish they didn't walk out on this series and just let it collect dust. I get the reasoning, but I sincerely feel has a life long fan of the trilogy, Jak 4 at this point wouldn't be the true spiritual successor needed for this game, lore wise or energy/vibe wise.
Such a shame cause the lore hits on a very deep level
I think it would take more than 300 years for that silo to sink into the ground.... but that's just my opinion.
I'm pretty sure sages can't die of old age. They all appear to be old and Samos was old even in his own timeline well until they switched places so thats kind of out there.
However it appears being a sage can be passed down from person to person. As it was passed down onto Kiera as well.
Since Gol and Mia are dark eco sages my guess is that they could survive the effects of dark eco as they can control it.
The whole sages thing is rather mysterious as they are never really mentioned again until Lost Frontier where a successor Dark Eco sage was revealed, as well as Keira who appears to be a universal sage judging from the fact that she can work with every type of eco. The Precusors mysteriously can not control Dark Eco, attempting changes them.
Plus it is unknown who is the sage of Light Eco. But it is known to reverse the effects of Dark Eco.
Photon x Plasma the lost frontier is non canon as it wasn't made by naughty dog. So Keira isn't a sage, never was. And being a sage can't be passed down ....
The Lost Frontier started out being developed by Naughty Dog, and was finished by High Impact. So it's likely that Naughty dog came up with the story before handing development over to High Impact.
Was Sandover Village was planned for Jak 3 then because of the glitch
Who knows :O
Gol and Maya would gave been better villains for Jak 3, instead of Erol. It would have made sense for them, Sages of Dark Eco to side with the Dark Makers.