Wheel of Time Review where we actually see Rand for once! Randomly meeting Selene in a city without any of the actual good parts of the story. Only Perrin is actually engaging in the book plot. Matt and Min meet in a prison cell (no seriously), and Elayne appears just so they can have a conversations about pillows. GRIPPING! With 8 episodes to cover 2 books you'd assume we'd be moving full tilt ahead with no break in sight. Instead we get to watch Moraine sit around whining at Lan. The only rush Rafe is in is to avoid as much of the canon as possible as far as I can see. But what did you think of what you saw? Let me know your thoughts down below and as always, thanks for watching :)
In Season One, the writers wasted an entire episode showing how devestating it was to break the Warder Bond by having Stepan commit suicide and have Lan squeal in response. Now, in Season Two, they spend the first two episodes harassing and taunting Lan for having a problem no longer being Bonded to Morraine. Awful!
This show is an example of why you do not mess with source material unless it's on a scene to scene basis where certain arcs are cut for reasons like time etc. You have to be very skilled to start adjusting things in another's story as one change of a story beat/arc can ripple so much that the story is like watching your reflection in a stormy sea. All fragmented, disjointed and out of proportion. It becomes a mere imitation and so has no heart. Sums up most of Amazon's fantasy works doesn't it? A soulless reflection in a stormy sea.
There is a storm on me that will not be clenched! You have not seen what I have seen! Is that like a personal attack? Wiskas and cartoon wine are on offer at aile 6.
Aging up the characters so they can sleep with each other was the snowflake that started the avalanche. Making the Aes Sedai the focus of the show in order to put Rosamund on the poster was like building a town in a place famous for being hit by avalanches. They can't save the series at this point, they're in too deep.
@@Moondymon23 Have Rand really go crazy Balefire everyone and everything with the Choedan Kal then break the 4th wall Balefiring everything to fade to black.
Disparu is much more entertaining than Amazon's WOT travesty. It's hard to tell which series is more horrible, WOT or Rings of Time or is it Rings of Dull. You, know, the one with the boring blonde super-boss-girl. Gave up on both early on.
Nah, the schadenfreude doesn't engage for me... I have better things to do like wash my hands, pick my nose, taking a dump that requires two low flow flushes... low level stuff beats this tripe.
"We made this adaptation as close to the source material as we could without actually having access to Tolkien directly." - Amazon, probably aka "Wheel of Time, Rings of Power, what is the difference?"
I am pretty sure that book Sheriam does say, "The Wheel waits for no woman," when she is bringing Egwene to the arches to be raised. So Robert Jordan wrote that line. Rand saw those visions of the family getting killed, not Perrin, but they are from the book. The woman Perrin (originally Uno) saw is Lanfear, trying to trick Rand into channeling the One Power by trapping him in the visions with the flies and he was forced to channel to break free. Boy, they fucked up by separating the boys.
Oh shit I never picked up that Lanfear was the one creating the visions, that was always a point of confusion for me, I thought it was just Fain's antics twisting the pattern. Funny that Uno managed to spot her twice, implies that she's actually quite good at regular stealth since he never would have seen her if she used the Power to hide.
@@petercoulam1101It was PC and it was just called The Wheel of Time. It wasn't bad, but it's a shooter, which was an interesting choice. You collect ter'angreal and blast trollocs, whitecloaks, etc. Compared to this show its a masterpiece.
I don't know much about this series but it sounds like they were only interested in doing this show so they push a feminist agenda like they did with lord of the rings.
1999? Talented people were still working at the top levels. Peter Jackson LOTR, George still owned Lucasfilm. The WoT series, I remember thinking that someone would definitely adapt them to the screen. It hadn't become stylishly virtuous to hire miserable people to manhandle and butcher billion dollar properties yet. Those were good times.
Wheel of Time, like so many other TV shows based on book series, is proof that far too many people DO NOT READ anymore, save for 200-300 characters at a time. You had some amazing one-liners in this latest video, I may compile a list of your greatest hits and we can create some t-shirts and tea mugs Well done my friend, and nice editing once again.
@@TheSuperappelflap No she was grounded kind and friendly... I was shocked by the clips in the review. She's probably the first casting that looks the part! I should have known it was going to be all downhill from there! :)
@TheSuperappelflap she's not a stuck up bint here either. Her casting snf representation here is just perfect. She's kind of naive and assumes that everyone knows her (see books), and she would totally buy that ahead can just move in with her stuff. This may even have happened in the books like this. By the time we see her meet Egwene in the books, she did learn her lessons about being a novice, some of it evidently the hard way. She's showing her true character by standing up to Sheriam, or putting her feet in her mouth (oh I see you didn't just move in) and recovering from that flawlessly and just being nice and supportive.
@jasonwrathorn9281 which is why it's such a perfect symmetry to show this here from the other way around here. It's interesting, it's something extra we get, and it's logical given the changes in S1.
I have a question about the PTSD-Dementia patient. Why does a loud bang set him off? Seeing Rand makes sense, he looks like the enemy, but a bang? The Aiel don't have machine guns and mortars, they have spears and arrows. If the bully made a whistling noise or said an Aiel warcry it would've made way more sense, right?
@jijicristi329 Because they want only surface level "illusions" of PTSD. How is it portrayed in modern times? Of course, big bangs, fireworks, explosions, and gunshots. That's NOT how it would in times this show/book seems to be set in, though, but they don't care. They just want an "Oh, he reacted to big bang, he must have PTSD" moment. That's literally it. No thought, no care, no fact checking, no research, nothing. Just barely-there window dressing.
I really enjoyed reading the books and was so excited to hear Amazon was making the series… then I saw season 1. I didn’t even realize season 2 had dropped, and by the looks of it I should pretend it didn’t.
It actually is an enjoyable watch and 30% of the time you actually get lost in the wheel of time world. And I love the world so much for it to be enough for me. Season 2 quality is better than season 1
Yes. I loved the books so much. I went through season 1 hoping it gets better and enduring the changes while hoping. And then the last episode just killed me. After enduring something similar with Obi Wan I dont watch anymore crap until the end. Disparu and the like really help coping with the frustration.
They are going to make them Tauregs imo, if they even know those people exist. Just kidding there will be very little showing the Aiel are related Maybe some crappy red hair cosmetics.
Yea “race swap” the Aiel who already have been introduced as mostly red haired. If anything they went even harder to quench you’re smooth brain by Rand shaving his head to hide his Aiel look. Fucking moron. Get over yourself. You’re softer than baby shit. If you want to be big brained…you should be mad that Jordan wrote people who live in the waste, aka the desert, to be fair skinned Gingers. Makes zero sense. This show is aggressively mid. However your criticism is actually retarded. Congrats.
At least we now know that Syrio Forel survived the attack in Kings Landing but the sword of Bravos ended up in an alternate world and fought the Aiel with that wooden sword of his.
The scene of Rand jumping that guy could have been fixed pretty easily. Just have him stand up to the bully more when he is harassing the crazy guy, then have the bully jump Rand later on. Then have Rand accidentally channel to defend himself, and that way you can have the same result while still having Rand not seem evil.
They should have just had him have that scene next to a specific statue... would atleaste make sense why he loses control.... but hey, I guess we can't expect that level of thought from these writers...
@PrinceofRavens64 the first 3 books were the weakest story wise but strongest at setting up the world, so later, books did not need to there is so much they are missing thats just going to take sooo many hours to try and fix and after this season it is not possible.
The great part about Verin is you didnt know how much she was paying attention. The scatterbrain was just a fasade. Verin knew everything that was going on.
This Verin is very warm and helpful, motherly even. She’s perceptive, and is clearly perceptive. It’s just not right - maybe Verin can become an ally without being so blatantly warm and caring. Now, we know that the Verin in the books is maybe the least bitchy of all the Aes Sedai, but she’s not like this.
Which only * spoiler * so * spoiler * and * spoiler * . But if she's presented as an Miss Marple clone, people will be more cautious of her, so * spoiler * can't really * spoiler * * spoiler * * spoiler * so she's less useful to them.
Maybe they were planning on moving her into the "Dark Tower" arc, so she was going to be a possible red herring of a darkfriend/ally character when that arc happens (or, fizzles out a bit IIRC) IDK. Spoilers, I guess, but there's a rogue Aes Sedai, which is not entirely uncharacteristic of the Aes Sedai to be manipulative and evil. The question becomes more of motive than evil, for evil's sake. Since they are all selfish women, Evil is a matter of perspective when you have that much power, tied to a lack of humanity. Giving Verin Marple her "knowledge" and a possible grey motive might be a series of red herrings, but that's also so ... petty. It's odd that they would make her so personable and snarky. It kind of reeks of author ambition, i.e. making her more like a modern version of a gossip monger / Miss Marple investigative character. Alongside what they changed with Perrin and Min, it's a bit slapstick. i.e. WE NEED THIS CHARACTER TO NOW EXPLAIN ... THE BORING BITS OF BACKSTORY ... AND FORESHADOWING. Which is suspicious, because if they change Min this much, it does not bode well for the rest of the tower intrigue.
That they keep trying to make Liandrian seem like a sympathetic character is just another of the utterly moronic decisions they've made in this rewrite. I'm sure they're going to continue to try to make her seem at least morally gray at every evil decision she makes throughout the entire series. It's pathetic.
Being an outright misandrist, sadistic sociopath is not enough to make one evil, or even unsympathetic, in the eyes of these writers. Be prepared for an 'she is actually the real victim' turn to her character arc, or even an attempt to paint her as a misunderstood heroine who has the 'strength of will' to do the 'difficult thing' (you know, torture and kill men for her own sick gratification thinly veiled as protecting the world from male Channelers) no other Aes Sedai is willing to do...
They are trying to make you feel sorry for her atm Sooner or later they will show her other side or they will make her like Verin is in the books a spy for the light
Wheel wheel wheel. If you set me in this comparison Now I don't appear as wicked and insane to you, do I?? Now let me tell you about pronoums and the wrongfulness of biology
I just thought she was pretending to be sympathetic like the vile scheming liar that she is (or at least is in the books). I wouldn't put it past the writers to try to redeem the literal child slave trader but you never know.
If the the blade master suffers from ptsd, why would booming sounds be the trigger? He’s only fought in medieval wars, surely it’s loud shouts, the ringing and scraping of steel that would be the trigger? He’s behaving like he is reacting to cannon and gun fire, which haven’t been invented yet. Also a side note, it’s very strange that there would be an asylum for those with mental health issues considering the stigma of male channellers who go insane. Jordan’s world always showed the callous brutality that stigma and prejudice creates and served as a great warning against such attitudes. The show seems to have abandoned that
What's Rand up to? Oh. Nothing. Ok, well what's Perrin up to? Ah. Nothing. Mat, then? Nothing. They aren't going anywhere or doing anything. Arguably the most important characters in the story do nothing.
What I loved about Verin was her obsession with gaining knowledge. It gave her the appearance of a bookworm who only focused on what was in front of her and was interesting. In reality she was observing everything and used her appearance as a distraction so others wouldn't hide their secrets. She collected all knowledge, from history and science to secrets and it made her twist really understandable towards the end of the books
@@brittonholdaway5730 lol Have we gone through a 2nd season since this comment? OMG, F*** this show. How DARE Rafe?? I think the book series is 2nd only to Tolkien, but UPDATE: I hope this show burns.
The fact that Rand has a physical relationship with one of the Forsaken is appalling. It’s gross. I guess the committee writing the show decided that there must be sex.
I am surprised you didn't mention how a seafaring army ends up invading a town that is supposed to be a half continent in land (spine of the world) and then proceeds to drag them back to the sea (falma). But you can't expect the writers to look at the map that is the first page of every book.
Such a weird decision by Amazon to acquire the rights for this book series, just to urinate and defecate on it in their live action adaption. Jeff Bezos must really hate the "Wheel of Time".
Well, just as you have Kathleen Kennedy running Disney Star Wars into the ground for Bob Iger, Jeff Bezos has Jennifer Salke, head of Prime Studios, to do the destruction on his behalf.
So basically the genuflection to the altar of MODERN AUDIENCES and feminism in the form of 'the dragon could be a woman' (even though the good guys side is like, 90% female power to start with) caused them to completely deviate from the books, which meant lan didn't train rand, so they had to introduce a new character to do it etc etc. Had they just shut their mouths, kept their political BS out of the script and allowed Rand to be, you know, the main character, everything else might've been salvageable and this could've been a good show. Maybe not amazing and certainly not authentic to the source material, but very watchable. Now it's just patchwork on patchwork. What an absolute travesty.
you just completely ignored Rand sleeping with Selande (Selene) instead of rejecting her, entirely ruining his arc of rejecting easy worldly pleasure that he could get from the devil and having some standards for women instead. Besides completely butchering Elayne's introduction thats the worst thing that happened in the first 3 episodes this season. And they did a lot of bad things.
actually it's worse. The ai seidi (forget the spelling) were not good people in the books. They are watered down in the show to make them look like girl boss good guys which they are not. Bonding in the books removes the bonded persons willpower in control of the castor. The show makes it out to be like something good. If you watched this season, the later part where morraine was rejecting her bond was quite brutal and damaging to him. As to some who has their will controlled buy the ai seidi this could shatter their minds.
@@swordinhand8356is wonder if they will cover the forced bonding of rand. Which is said to be the same as rape. I doubt they would make it look as bad in the show of ever got there
@@swordinhand8356 It's Aes Sedia and yep, I think that was RJ's intention. He seemed to be creating a dichotomy of 'male magic = nasty/bad' while 'female magic = pure/good' which fits the Aes Sedai having all the power and Rand et al having so little to start with. This leads to Aes Sedai using blackmail and deception, forcibly binding Rand to a certain Aes Sedai (which I also interpreted as a form of r.ape) etc, all signs of unchecked feminine power in general (psychological bullying, gaslighting, manipulation etc). I think RJ intended it to feel deeply unsettling for men in this world and that's why you root for the Two Rivers boys so hard. I don't think it was intended to be one sided as it's portrayed in the show, where Aes Sedai can take or revoke bonds on a whim. That is deeply disrespectful of the source material and represents a very twisted world view if the writer thinks that's ok. This is another case of not my halo, not my witcher etc.
@@danieln6700 With the way they crapped on the Warder Bond, there's no way they'll treat that appropriately, unless they have an Asha'man do it first, of course.
So, the writers cannot follow a story, write dialogue, write a plot that makes sense from season to season or even within episodes, build a believable world, likeable characters or anything that requires a little bit of talent. And they expect us to believe they have planned something over 8 seasons? This show is a joke.
what's sad, is that all the members of Perrin's troop saw the visions. Also... Elayne isn't that insufferable. She WANTED to be an Aes'sedai. She wanted to learn normality. She was happy to help common people, including when RAND jumped the castle wall and she found him and helped him. omg, they made her disgusting!! wait.. how did LAN fail Morraine?!?! She ran away from LAN and got stabbed by a fade, so.. how did LAN fail her? She ran away from LAN at the end of Season 1 as well.
A lot of people who have never read the books have heard of them. Naming your garbage writing after something well known promises to sucker in low information audiences. Of course it doesn't actually work out in the way they thought, because everything they produce is so god awful, it even repels the people it tries to pander to.
For the longest time I was hoping someone would buy the rights to some of Stephen R. Donaldson's work. After watching the last two reviews of what Amazon has done to WOT I'm so glad they haven't. WOT is a fantastic story the characters are amazing and the details are incredible. It deeply saddens me to see what they have done to such a great story. I like this channel so I'm looking forward to future reviews but I will not be paying for prime to watch this show or even watching it for free.
I believe there have been some rumors over the years. But in todays climate, the only way any studio would touch his stuff would be to “update it for a modern audience.” Out of curiosity, which series of his do you want to see? I’d vote for the Gap series.
I find it funny that they are making the Shadow be somewhat sympathetic, meanwhile the Seanchan, the villain faction that actually has some redeeming qualities in the books, seem to be full on monsters now.
Well one side had sleves and the other did not (openly) not to mention Rarf has twisted morals and so he is closer to a darkfriend than a normal human.(or he is the dark one who ended up in our world after being beatten by a boy with spiky hair and a giant key, lol)
Seanchan is sympathetic in the books? You must love the taste of boot. So many things to criticize about this adaptation, but seanchan being sympathetic? Holy hell. The only reason you could feel any empathy for the seanchan is because of Tuon. Take your outrage hat off and think for a second before you type.
@@fy4b230 I didn’t say the Seanchan were sympathetic, I said they weren’t pure evil. They are still very much villains in the books, and I still very much root against them and am unhappy with how their plot line ended.
I grew up reading the Wheel of Time books and I ALWAYS thought that they would be perfect for a movie or television adaptation. Robert Jordan is so descriptive, clear, and concise with his writing that there is almost no room for interpretation - everything described to the reader in minute detail down to the clothes one is wearing or the "well-turned calves" they are showing. Everything should have been easy for Amazon, the casting, the wardrobe, the sets, the writing - but.....somehow they failed at everything. It honestly blows my mind. The books even fit in with their politics with male magic wielders being insane/evil and female magic wielders being some of the most powerful beings in the world. Yet they still failed. I would seriously love to meet these writers and producers just to see what deadly incompetence looks like.
The Perrin bit has NOTHING to do with the Wolfbrother stuff, it's part of Fain's growing powers, the scene is of a Trolloc entering the home and killing the family. AND WHY DOESNT PERRIN HAVE AN AXE!?
Honestly Perrin was one of my favorite characters in WoT, even if his story arc was the most lackluster between the three. What they have done to this character is damn near criminal.
@@altorins Same, season 1 I hit the roof when they had him kill his wife in a fit of rage, it's the complete and total inverse of who Perrin is. All of this is it's insane
@@UncensoredScion exactly while Perrin was emotional he didn't let his emotions rule him, he was also terrified of hurting those close to him as he was well aware of his own strength. Which in turn made him a formidable fighter and a pretty damn good strategist. He just didn't have the desire to stand out and just wanted to live a simple life. It's also why Faile was such a good match for him to give him a good push when he needed it.
@@UncensoredScion It wasn't even a fit of rage, it was just an accident because she snuck up behind him during the fight which, while plausible, is just stupid for his later plotline. Then again it seems that they are going to ignore the plotlines in the book.
can you imagine how OP he is going to make the Aiel? He said "I saw one take out an entire regiment". Rafe said Avienda was his favorite character. So he'll have Avienda be better than John Wick, Capt America, Gandalf and Hercules. This shit is going to get hilariously bad.
It's a shame because Aviendha was one of my top five favorite characters but she become so over the course of many books. Rafe will just shoehorn in her awesomeness because she's a woman.
I do want to give kudos to the show runners. Having Elayne being interested in tinkering does help set up something from book 8+. Congrats, you get one point for foreshadowing. You are still in the negative hundred plus, but at least one positive.
.....I can cautiously recommend them. Read the first novel before making up your mind. It's very Tolkien-esque and has a very "Fellowship of the Ring" feel about it. If you fall in love with the world and characters, carry on, but be warned: the series completely bogs down in the middle. There are multiple books in the row where the narrative just completely dies for books on end with barely nothing happening before finally picking back up again in the final stretch. Even then, the author had a prolonged death (cancer) and couldn't finish the series. He had time to pick and mentor a successor, leave him plenty of notes, explain where he wanted the narrative to go, etc, but the final 3 books of this 14 book series were written by a different author: Brandon Sanderson. I was mostly through the series while this happened, and in preparation, I picked up some of Sandersons other works to see how worried/hopeful I should be. I read the MIstborn trilogy from Sanderson and fell in love with those as well. I could definitely feel the shift in authors, but many in the community feel that Sanderson finished the series better than Jordan himself would have. That middle sections just dragged on so bloody much... There are also a number of weird hangups of the author that made it into the book. Because of this, I wasn't entirely fearful when the showrunner mentioned he would need to change things. Waaay too much cattyness between the women, spanking (of women, by women), the whole 'lesbians are hot but no homo bro" vibe, Rand winding up with a harem, Perrin gets a wife from a culture that normalizes and even prides themselves on domestic goddamn abuse, Perrin's whole love triangle with the abusive tomboy princess and the slut-queen of a small country (sleeps around as part of hte politics needed to keep her small country from being annexed by a larger and more aggressive neighbor), and so much more. Oh, Lan and Nynavaeve have this really terrible marriage... honestly, I can't remember a single relationship that wasn't badly written/cringe... Dear Lord, Elayne even begins flirting with a man MORE than old enough to be her grandfather when she learns her mother had a fling with him. Who himself just came off a relationship where his sugar baby, another girl MORE than young enough to be his grandfather, gets fridged. Who them hooks up with Moiraine in the end. The guy was Tom Merillim, the gleeman Mat and Rand travel with for a bit in the first book, but he later turns out to be a former royal bard/spy. Oh, and there is a whole subplot of Nynaveave having a prolonged, multi-book, cat-fight with Elayne that includes the bit about Nyna trying to stop Elayne from flirting with her mom's ex-boyfriend... I really could go on. There's much I love about thebooks, but it definitely has parts I wouldn't mind skipped or touched up on. Heavily, in the case of pacing.
@@duncanlutz3698 I gotta say, the catty elements of some female characters seems pretty fair to reality. They aren't good qualities no, and that's ok. You mean the most important person in the world has more than one woman? Shocker. Princesses use arrangements for the securing of a small kingdom? Preposterous! A relationship with a girl who likes to get physically aggressive? Ridiculous! What a ridiculous set of imaginations by the esteemed author! A young woman insecure in herself unconsciously testing herself against a mature, charming and distinguished man, wise in the ways of the world and in possession of a history much greater than first meets the eye? He even rebuffs her very gently.. Why, you never see this stuff with real people! Agree with you on Nynaveave and Lan though, but you could chalk that up to diversity. Different strokes for different folks.
Regardless of the failures of the show, at the very least, your descriptions of how the story is supposed to go has inspired me to buy the first book and see how well I like it :)
If you do end up reading the series you'll see what an absolute mockery this "adaptation" is. The wheel of time really is an amazing story in so many ways. Enjoy!!
You've made a bad decision. Now you're going to be buying and reading this entire series for the next year or more depending on how fast you read and how much time you can steal from your other plans.
Just a warning, some people don't like the first book because the pacing is a little wonky. It as A LOT of build-up. If you like the characters and the world keep reading. Book two and onward don't have that problem.
I’m currently reading through book 2 now and have been hopping between it and these reviews, but I think I’ve come to the point where I can watch the reviews without worry of spoilers, because this show is so far from the wheel of time that I don’t actually have to worry about it actually containing the proper plot
My sister loves the books, but she didn't want to be spoiled so I couldn't show/tell her anything of the show (ie Disparu's reviews). She finally finished the series last week (she's a medical Resident, so no time) - just in time for us all to go see each other at my older sister's place for Passover. So I'm showing her at least Disparu's S02E01 review & she can watch the others on her own (I adore his unhinged glee at the Myrddraal reveal in that review).
My question is based off of how aviendha and elayne looks how is rand recognized as aiel??? Like red hair? Nope elayne has red hair. Tall and pale?? Nope aviendha is black Socthan what sets aiel apart within the show?
Raef clearly hasn't finished the second chapter of Book 1. He doesn't realize, yet, that the appearance of many of the characters makes them unique. He is still in the SJW mode of hire as many minorities as possible to fit the diversity and inclusion quotas over at Amazon. We knew we were in trouble when Amazon's version of the Two Rivers looked like modern day LA.
Elayne is supposed to have reddish blonde hair anyway and Rand doesnt look anything like described. The Aiel dont either. They look similar to the band of magical diverse creatures in the new Snow White "adaptation"
Rand has always been described as having red hair. So what do they do for Season 2? They shave his head. Another misstep is how the Aes Sedai are depicted. They're supposed to have an ageless look. The only way to tell how old they were was their hair would be grey or white. They fell short on that one. And as we've been told, "the fans don't know what they want, it's up to the producers to tell them what they want".
Jack Nicolson in "As Good as It Gets" responding to "How do you write women so well?": I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability. WoT Series writers: "Well, we took a glance at the books, and we threw away all the character progression and plot development."
I'm just shocked that Elayne somehow remained a redhead. They are usually the first to get race-swapped. Unprecedented respect for the source material for a woke show!
@@AthenaNike71 Is it? In the show, Rand's village is somehow multi-ethnic, when it's tucked away in a mountain backwater in a world that doesn't have travel faster than horseback, which makes no logical sense. How is that better than having Rand and his friends travel the world and encounter different cultures and ethnicities, with diverse people from those cultures becoming major characters in the story, like it was in the books? The way Amazon (and most other "woke" shows) implement diversity makes no sense, just randomly race-swapping characters with no logic behind it, THAT's the problem. If they took a moment to think about how it would make sense, it would all be fine.
@@originaldarkwater Let's put it this way: it's not a problem TO ME. And "woke" is a made-up label that a bunch of racists and homophobes who worship a wannabe dictator (be it Trump or DeSantis) use to denigrate anything and anyone that is inclusive and does not toe the racist/homophobe/pseudo-Christian line. I hope you are not one of those.
I'm reminded of when the elderly Spanish woman took it upon herself to restore an old fresco of Jebus and botched it up royally. I'm getting hints of the original lore as you describe it but mostly all there is to see is just the droopy mess someone made of it. ...I hear the old lady eventually wanted to be paid a lot of money when her work became famous.
Thanks for another great review to listen to. I plan on making a more faithful adaption of the wheel of time books later. it will follow a older man riding a wagon around town a hour each episode while a woman tugs her braid glaring at him and yelling everytime it bounches while he says "yes nynaeve".
I think the showrunners know there is no way they'll ever get enough seasons to do the show justice, so they're trying to cram in as much as they can as quickly as they can... ultimately making a crummy product and becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.
The thing that made me the most mad other then totally taking everything and pretty much redoing all of it, is changing Matt and making his father a leacher and making Matt run away. Watched the first season and will not watch any more. Have read the books more then 5 times, started when number 6 came out so read the first 6 then when the next one would come out I would start them over at one and read them all again and would re-read them every so often after the last one came out so yeah very disappointed with the show to say the least.
Matt having an upstanding family who is moderately ashamed of him really adds much more to his character as a rakish rogue with a hidden heart of gold. These writers can't stick with a good script.
Mat's story lines were a nice departure from the rest and a mental break but they just changed the actor and put him in jail for the whole show, basically.
This has all the hallmsrks og someone who threw out the ikea step-by-step guide, guessed at what they were building, amd tried desperately to convince people that the hideous monstrosity they'd made was a chair.
I assume if they actually get to the Stone of Tear plotline, they'll leave out Berelain entirely - can't be depicting a female leader who uses seduction as a diplomatic tool and dresses for effect.
@1Plebeian One of her lines to Rand is "If you must be harsh, be harsh - so long as you will hold me". While wearing a very low-cut top, as they're alone in his bedchamber. She's flat-out desperate for him to do whatever he wants to her so long as she gets his protection and political support. Rewriting the scene would require ignoring the situation her lands are in. Which they'll totally do, admittedly - they've done worse already. But I suspect it's more likely that she'll be cut from the show.
45:00 to be fair, ogier could lift and throw trollocs. not 20 ft, but those are humans so it's probably in the same ballpark. It would seem less impressive if he was his proper size, but yeah.
Fair enough, but, referring to the books, Loial was very hesitant to act violently, even in self defense but they just crapped all over that too. The contrast in pacing and processing between Ogier and humans was one of the running jokes. Not to mention such contrasted nicely when the core group was thrown into/encountered violent situations and how they had to navigate such with Loial being present. Such complexity is beneath the "creative" team, though.
Remembering the epic scene at the end of The Great Hunt when Rand fights Ishamael and says "Not once in a thousand lifetimes have I ever served you". At that moment the series went from intriguing to pure epic for me. The show will probably not even have the scene and if they do it will probably be Nynaeve or Egwene fighting Ishamael while Rand and Lan bumble about in the background. Rafe should just make Egwene the Dragon Reborn already, he clearly so desperately wants to.
I guess the writers drank that "I don't want a real relationship" Kool-aid. But really want to pretend this is the normal thing that everyone else should be ok with. Maybe don't just use your partner as a stand in, and maybe care about them? I know I am breaking new ground here with this concept, but maybe if people valued their significant other, like a human being these people wouldn't be useless anxiety ridden slops of depression, with no integrity.
I'm actually reading the books right now and the dead fade stuck to the door was kind of a mystery. It was not immediately known that it was Padin Fain.
So they've used basically none of the plot and barely any of the world building from the books? Yet they can still claim it's Wheel of Time because they use the same names the books do. You might as well make a modern fantasy movie about werewolves fighting vampires and call it Star Wars because the three main characters are named Han, Luke, and Leia, and one of them has telekinetic powers.
This is an Example of not having any Reading Comprehension, on top of Speed Reading. Wrath thought he could read the first book and comprehend what was coming. and produced S1 now he's read the Second book and Realized he messed it up, and is trying to fix it, on top of playing out the Great Hunt. And He Can't.
@Disparu , Elayne gets to the tower before Nynayeve, Min, and Egwene in the books and she's already started novice training , also the characters didn't get aged up they're the same age in both the series and the books, what they did is make them more cosmopolitan and sexualised them a whole lot more, there is references in both series and books that Morianne has searched for the boys for 20 years, what the show essentially did is remove their adherance to honor, duty and their naievity, and made them vastly more worldly, and removed all their innocence and made them worse versions. though yeah they aged up both Egwene and Min Didn't Loial use a tree sung staff as a weapon not an axe at this stage ?
i would actually pay to see that, they already fucked up Elaynes story so much. In first book Rand climbs into the palace gardens Aladdin style and they have a romantic meeting. Instead shes just turned into a spoiled brat first scene shes in. And she was one of my favourite characters in the books just because she wasnt an arrogant brat for growing up rich. rip.
and dont forget he already converted to aiel religion. he doesnt eat meat. but the people making this forgor that not using swords was like the number one tenant of their religion. F.
Yep! In the early books anyways. I think he switches to a sledge hammer later on though, iirc. I guess the props department figured no one would notice??? smfh. . .
Amazon says they make shows because it makes people more inclined to shop there. This show makes me never want to spend another dime at Amazon. Well done.
Being English is an all-in-one excuse to pronounce name how ever I want. I also read it Track-And. Edit : If Elayne has been boozing all this time, that 'One Cup Of Wine' Chapter is going to turn into a scene from Raiders. Shots till she drops! This is the Well of Time, except it's dry, the story is at the bottom of it and Lassie isn't around to tell anyone.
Its clearly supposed to be Track-and, but Disparu has mispronounced a lot of other names, including saying "Eys" Sedai instead of Aes Sedai. Its pronounced "ae" as in Latin. One of the very few things this abomination of a tv show got right.
@@Syaniiti No point, my brain read as that and it always will, if that bothers you enough to comment then the way I say Moh-ged-ian will drive you mad. 🙃
@@MagicE13 You can pronounce it however you want, it's not like I have any idea how to actually pronounce Guenhwyvar, except maybe in Rally English. My point was mostly that the show was wrong to say Trakant, the actors literally get paid to say things "the right way". Well, it seems like in this show you must despise WoT or get fired so there's that.
i watcht all of your Wheel of Time Review yesterday and you were describing how the aktual lore is. now i'm going to get the books or audio because the worldbuilding seems really great after listening to you. still going to watch all of your review on how sch.... the series is couse its entertaining to sch... on sch... xD hope we see you on EFAP again!
If they did the books accurately they could make a good movie series of 1 movie per book. Which is about 15 years worth of content with yearly releases. The next MCU. If they really went slow they could do 2 movies per book like Villeneuve is doing with Dune. Instead they decided to make a garbage tv show that will last 4-5 seasons and get canceled for losing money.
@@TheSuperappelflapThere is no way they could cram each book into two hours. It was a struggle even with harry potter and those are like half the lenght of these books. There is a lot they can cut but not that much and have it still make sense.
The books are great, the biggest downside is that if you grew up reading the books there were long iterations between, and then when Robert Jordan died didn't think it would ever get finished. Brandon Sanderson did an amazing job though with wrapping things up under the circumstances.
4:48 Wait, what? He's seeing a woman in the house while they're chasing the horn? Ok, first of all, he doesn't see her in the books, but at this point, he may as well be Perrin, Uno, Ingtar and Hopper all at once. Second, the woman they see but can't find, is Selene. Spoilers, Selene isn't just some woman Rand meets, she's following him and is an important character. Following RAND by the way. RAND. Just, Rand. We see in this episode she has FOUND Rand, she is FUCKING Rand, which ruins the ENTIRE story by the way, that's like a taboo. So she has no reason or even ability to also be following Perrin at the same time. This makes NO sense. Yes it was technically in the books, but this story was completely DIFFERENT in the books too. Selene doesn't just follow groups of soldiers and peek out windows. Next, Perrin's power is not to see the past, that's fucking retarded. He is a wolf brother, he can communicate with wolves and he tracks the Dark Friends that took the horn by having WOLVES track them. Wolves hate Trollocs, that's why they're cool with helping. Giving him the power to see what happened in a place, and not to mention having his eyes turn their NORMAL color when he isn't actively using this new power, fucks the series. Lastly, yes, something like this DID happen in the books. It happened to Rand, but Rand isn't allowed to do anything in this show. Anyway he checks an empty house, and he gets stuck in a loop, seeing the family sit down for dinner, hearing the Trollocs come, then the vision loops back to the start after a Trolloc bursts into their home and presumably kills or captures them. Between loops, flies start to just appear everywhere. Eventually they COVER the entire place like a layer of paint. Rand doesn't even know how long he'd been standing there when he finally snapped out of this vision. This event was the first bubble of evil, a very very important phenomenon that was teased here and then more thoroughly explained later. You COULD cut it and not damage the story, but cutting the hunt for the horn to so many shreds, it doesn't make any sense that THIS is the thing you'd keep, and moreover you'd make it a super power that Perrin just has. It's like they're determined to do EVERYTHING wrong. There aren't insane asylums in this world, the gentled men are kept at the white tower, not transported halfway across the fucking WORLD. It's actually EXTREMELY important that Logaine is AT the white tower, because despite what these showrunners think, THE STORY AFTER THE SCENE THEY'RE SHOOTING HAS ALREADY BEEN WRITTEN. Liandrin would never try to recruit Nynaeve like that. First of all she wouldn't give a shit until she was at least Accepted, which is where she should start. Second, she wouldn't be recruiting anyway because of spoiler reasons. ELAIDA is the one who Liandrin has been mixed with, and that's really bad, because those two characters are VERY different. Yes they're both Reds, but that doesn't mean they can just be slapped together. Cutting Elaida of all people from the show literally ruins ENTIRE BOOKS. Anyway, even if she did want to recruit, she wouldn't do it like that. She took the HEALER to a HEALING. That would obviously be advertising for the YELLOWS, as they ARE LITERALLY ALL ABOUT HEALING! There's literally an entire Ajah focused entirely around HEALING, Nynaeve would OBVIOUSLY choose THEM if you show her how amazing magical HEALING is. If they really wanted a Red to try and recruit Nynaeve, first of all they should've had Elaida do it, she actually takes a personal interest in the girls in the books. Second they should have educated her about the horrors of a male channeler. Told her stories about the death they cause, death which CANNOT be healed. The only way to heal the horrors committed by male channelers, is to stop them before they commit such horrors. Now, they don't really have a way to find them faster, but.... Perhaps what they need, is for the Yellows to stop poaching the skills that could accomplish that? Perhaps a talented healer working with the REDS could discover a weave that would identify male channelers like healers identify injuries and disease? Besides, it's not like you can't heal normally without joining the Yellows. THAT would be an interesting conflict. Provide her some motivation to join the Reds instead of the obvious choice of the Yellows, displaying an AMAZING example of the game of houses and how they maneuver. Elaine's mother went to the tower, and in the books she was well aware of how she would be treated. Like a Novice. Her expecting a bigger, fancier room and having servants decorate her room MONTHS after she got here, cause she's supposed to have arrived BEFORE Egwene, is entirely out of character. Making her behave like a spoiled bratty Princess is also entirely out of character. And this is the best character in the show folks. Aes Sedai train SPECIFICALLY TO KEEP CONTROL OF THEIR EMOTIONS, so Liandrin BLOWING UP for basically no reason and getting hysterical proves she SHOULDN'T be Aes Sedai. We SEE what they have to go through to be raised, this situation is NOT on that level, not even CLOSE. She should be calm and collected no matter what, THAT'S WHY SHE IS A SISTER! Cause if you lose it in a dangerous situation, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO CHANNEL! But they've retconned that too! Wait you call him lowy el? It's pronounced Loyal. Loial. You know, like it's spelled? I know Brits say everything wrong, including words in English, but maybe you SHOULD give the Audiobooks a go? Which reminds me, why do you keep calling Sheriam Sharrim? I know she's nothing like Sherriam from the books, but still.
I always thought Loial wasnt pronounced as "loyal" when I read it. Thought it was Loh-ial. I have more disagreement with Disparu saying "Eys Sedai" instead of "Aes", you know, with the vowel "ae" as in proper Latin? Pronounced as the "Aye" in "aye laddie" in proper Scottish :P Anyway yeah Rand actually physically having intimate times with Selande screws everything up, the entire point was that she was really hot but he didnt want to because she was evil and the whole Christ metaphor? But in this version everyone is super horny all the time because its written by women who have no morals or principles.
In general I have agreed with your assessments. However, Verin only appears scatterbrained in the book until she unassumingly skewers you with her command of reality. Then as you bleed out on the floor leaves you wondering if she meant to do that or if it was some sort of accident.
everything feels like it was written and directed by a californian student, they all have this 'fake' air to them that makes them come across as a school production with a higher budget.
Maybe this is the final rotation of the wheel 8th the third age? Maybe the dark one will win in the Amazon version? That would explain why all the characters are bad and failing at their roles.
Yes. This is just a farcical copy of a real IP. Thanks for shedding light on what all the book fans are thinking. What have they done? Why even call it Wheel of Time at this point? They should have just called it something else with the Wheel of Time characters.
I feel like the writers are only reading the books as they write the shows and are going to be in for a big panic once they get to book 5 and realize they spent a whole lot of time on a character that really doesn’t have that much screen time in the grand scheme of things.
@@danieln6700Definitely Moiraine. She's pivotal as the mentor character that gets the plot moving, and her presence continues to loom over the other characters as the narrative moves on past her... but yeah, she's missing for at least half the series. Her return near the very end is this huge triumphant moment... but the story had largely moved on past her several books before this. Oh, and Nynaave bonds Lan to save him after Moiraine "dies." They get married, and it's a rather awkward reunion for them at first. Although it's firmly established that playboy Lan (he was quiet the ladykiller in the books, at least before he became a Warder) and Moiraine were never an item, but the Aes Sedai/Warder bond they shared for 20+ years was very... intimate all the same. I'd say Lan and Nyna don't really work as an item in the books either, and their marriage is really awkward and weird. My point being that Lan sticks around as Nynaave's +1 for most of the series long after everyone accepts Moiraine's death. Moiraine is then awkwardly paired with Tom Merillim in the end, who had a much stronger role throughout most of the story (and was even older). That man FUCKED as well, and even had a fling with Elayne's mother... which then leads to Elayne flirting with him after learning about the affair when she, Nynaeave, Mat, Tom, and a couple others spend a few books traveling together. There is a whole subplot of Nynaeve slipping back into her "Town Wisdom" role from the Two Rivers (basically a mix between healer and morality police) over this as she tries to 'straighten out' Elayne's clearly inappropriate behavior... that Elayne herself refuses to acknowledge is even happening... as part of a greater cat-fight between them that lasts waaaaaay too long. Yeah, I love the books, but they definitely had some questionable content in them I wouldn't mind being clipped out in an adaption... but not like what we are getting now.
Wheel of Time Review where we actually see Rand for once! Randomly meeting Selene in a city without any of the actual good parts of the story. Only Perrin is actually engaging in the book plot. Matt and Min meet in a prison cell (no seriously), and Elayne appears just so they can have a conversations about pillows. GRIPPING! With 8 episodes to cover 2 books you'd assume we'd be moving full tilt ahead with no break in sight. Instead we get to watch Moraine sit around whining at Lan. The only rush Rafe is in is to avoid as much of the canon as possible as far as I can see. But what did you think of what you saw? Let me know your thoughts down below and as always, thanks for watching :)
Daniel give me coffee.☕️
No one watches this wheel of menstruation nonsense. But I will click for ya.
Two words: Money Laundering
This show has just SUCKED from the first episode! There is no hope for it.
Ok... yellow eyes is a rare, but normal thing. Let it go 😎
In Season One, the writers wasted an entire episode showing how devestating it was to break the Warder Bond by having Stepan commit suicide and have Lan squeal in response.
Now, in Season Two, they spend the first two episodes harassing and taunting Lan for having a problem no longer being Bonded to Morraine. Awful!
This show is an example of why you do not mess with source material unless it's on a scene to scene basis where certain arcs are cut for reasons like time etc. You have to be very skilled to start adjusting things in another's story as one change of a story beat/arc can ripple so much that the story is like watching your reflection in a stormy sea. All fragmented, disjointed and out of proportion. It becomes a mere imitation and so has no heart. Sums up most of Amazon's fantasy works doesn't it? A soulless reflection in a stormy sea.
A storm in a glass of water, would be the right expression i think
There is a storm on me that will not be clenched!
You have not seen what I have seen!
Is that like a personal attack?
Wiskas and cartoon wine are on offer at aile 6.
It's worse than imitation. It's a reimagining.
Aging up the characters so they can sleep with each other was the snowflake that started the avalanche. Making the Aes Sedai the focus of the show in order to put Rosamund on the poster was like building a town in a place famous for being hit by avalanches. They can't save the series at this point, they're in too deep.
On could say to remove characters and story from these books without damage, you have to be skilled like Aviendha.
The show can still be fixed. We just need… Balefire. Enough Balefire to completely erase all traces of this show out of time itself.
Even Lews Therin couldn't argue against Balefire in this instance
The Pattern would be ever so grateful for that 😂! 🔥🔥
they should put that in the show and start all over using the actual plot, characters, and lore.
@@Moondymon23 Have Rand really go crazy Balefire everyone and everything with the Choedan Kal then break the 4th wall Balefiring everything to fade to black.
🎉🎉🎉🎉
I don’t know anything about WoT, but listening to Disparu destroy the show is still peak entertainment.
I know a lot about the books and the show makes me sad.
Disparu is much more entertaining than Amazon's WOT travesty. It's hard to tell which series is more horrible, WOT or Rings of Time or is it Rings of Dull. You, know, the one with the boring blonde super-boss-girl. Gave up on both early on.
Nah, the schadenfreude doesn't engage for me... I have better things to do like wash my hands, pick my nose, taking a dump that requires two low flow flushes... low level stuff beats this tripe.
@@Degarthsame, Robert Jordan would be turning in his grave
This is pathetic, makes me sad how you they butchered the books
I'm genuinely starting to wonder if a production company can sue the director they hired for gross negligence.
"We made this adaptation as close to the source material as we could without actually having access to Tolkien directly." - Amazon, probably
aka "Wheel of Time, Rings of Power, what is the difference?"
we wuz kangz in numenor
I, for one, was glad to see Beric Dondarrion save Moirane.
I am pretty sure that book Sheriam does say, "The Wheel waits for no woman," when she is bringing Egwene to the arches to be raised. So Robert Jordan wrote that line.
Rand saw those visions of the family getting killed, not Perrin, but they are from the book. The woman Perrin (originally Uno) saw is Lanfear, trying to trick Rand into channeling the One Power by trapping him in the visions with the flies and he was forced to channel to break free.
Boy, they fucked up by separating the boys.
Oh shit I never picked up that Lanfear was the one creating the visions, that was always a point of confusion for me, I thought it was just Fain's antics twisting the pattern.
Funny that Uno managed to spot her twice, implies that she's actually quite good at regular stealth since he never would have seen her if she used the Power to hide.
Its mindblowing that a video game released in 1999 based on the WOT books respects the lore more than a show based on the books.
But in 1999 people were hired on merit. Funny how that works.
What was the game played on and if PC where can I find it
@@petercoulam1101It was PC and it was just called The Wheel of Time. It wasn't bad, but it's a shooter, which was an interesting choice. You collect ter'angreal and blast trollocs, whitecloaks, etc. Compared to this show its a masterpiece.
I don't know much about this series but it sounds like they were only interested in doing this show so they push a feminist agenda like they did with lord of the rings.
1999? Talented people were still working at the top levels. Peter Jackson LOTR, George still owned Lucasfilm. The WoT series, I remember thinking that someone would definitely adapt them to the screen. It hadn't become stylishly virtuous to hire miserable people to manhandle and butcher billion dollar properties yet. Those were good times.
"collars are way too sexual, we need something else to indicate servitude"
"how about ball gags?"
"yeah that'll do it"
Wheel of Time, like so many other TV shows based on book series, is proof that far too many people DO NOT READ anymore, save for 200-300 characters at a time.
You had some amazing one-liners in this latest video, I may compile a list of your greatest hits and we can create some t-shirts and tea mugs
Well done my friend, and nice editing once again.
Elayne was actually at the tower before Egwene, she arrived with Logain. She was the novice that was assigned to show Egwene around.
she also wasnt a stuck up bint and rand met her by sneaking into the palace gardens Aladdin style in book 1 im pretty sure
@@TheSuperappelflap No she was grounded kind and friendly... I was shocked by the clips in the review. She's probably the first casting that looks the part! I should have known it was going to be all downhill from there! :)
@@jasonwrathorn9281 shes white so of course she is portrayed negatively.
@TheSuperappelflap she's not a stuck up bint here either. Her casting snf representation here is just perfect. She's kind of naive and assumes that everyone knows her (see books), and she would totally buy that ahead can just move in with her stuff. This may even have happened in the books like this. By the time we see her meet Egwene in the books, she did learn her lessons about being a novice, some of it evidently the hard way.
She's showing her true character by standing up to Sheriam, or putting her feet in her mouth (oh I see you didn't just move in) and recovering from that flawlessly and just being nice and supportive.
@jasonwrathorn9281 which is why it's such a perfect symmetry to show this here from the other way around here. It's interesting, it's something extra we get, and it's logical given the changes in S1.
I have a question about the PTSD-Dementia patient. Why does a loud bang set him off? Seeing Rand makes sense, he looks like the enemy, but a bang? The Aiel don't have machine guns and mortars, they have spears and arrows. If the bully made a whistling noise or said an Aiel warcry it would've made way more sense, right?
Stop asking questions. Just consume product and get excited for next product.
@jijicristi329
Because they want only surface level "illusions" of PTSD. How is it portrayed in modern times? Of course, big bangs, fireworks, explosions, and gunshots. That's NOT how it would in times this show/book seems to be set in, though, but they don't care. They just want an "Oh, he reacted to big bang, he must have PTSD" moment. That's literally it. No thought, no care, no fact checking, no research, nothing. Just barely-there window dressing.
@@TheSuperappelflap you're absolutely right. I should really check my privilege and don't worry about it, it'll be fine.
@@jijicristi329that’s right, you bigot.
A lot of the Aiel Wise Ones could channel. I'm assuming this is to set them up as battle mages later in the plot, when we all know they were not.
I really enjoyed reading the books and was so excited to hear Amazon was making the series… then I saw season 1. I didn’t even realize season 2 had dropped, and by the looks of it I should pretend it didn’t.
It actually is an enjoyable watch and 30% of the time you actually get lost in the wheel of time world. And I love the world so much for it to be enough for me. Season 2 quality is better than season 1
Season two is pretty good, don't get drawn in by bad faith arguments from hate watchers. Go make your own judgment.
Yes. I loved the books so much. I went through season 1 hoping it gets better and enduring the changes while hoping.
And then the last episode just killed me.
After enduring something similar with Obi Wan I dont watch anymore crap until the end.
Disparu and the like really help coping with the frustration.
Oh your such a badass
@@redsuperman7739 the contraction for “you are” is you’re.
I can't wait for the aiel to all carry swords, because once they race swap them they won't be allowed to depict them all chucking spears anymore.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They are going to make them Tauregs imo, if they even know those people exist. Just kidding there will be very little showing the Aiel are related
Maybe some crappy red hair cosmetics.
Smooth brain comment
@@peopleschampiii584 which follows the logic of this show perfectly
Yea “race swap” the Aiel who already have been introduced as mostly red haired.
If anything they went even harder to quench you’re smooth brain by Rand shaving his head to hide his Aiel look. Fucking moron.
Get over yourself. You’re softer than baby shit.
If you want to be big brained…you should be mad that Jordan wrote people who live in the waste, aka the desert, to be fair skinned Gingers. Makes zero sense.
This show is aggressively mid. However your criticism is actually retarded. Congrats.
At least we now know that Syrio Forel survived the attack in Kings Landing but the sword of Bravos ended up in an alternate world and fought the Aiel with that wooden sword of his.
Underrated comment of the day
lmao I had the same exact thought.
Hahaha that’s exactly what I thought
He isekaied to worst show?
@@Alpha___00 I guess it was this or rings of power lol
The scene of Rand jumping that guy could have been fixed pretty easily. Just have him stand up to the bully more when he is harassing the crazy guy, then have the bully jump Rand later on. Then have Rand accidentally channel to defend himself, and that way you can have the same result while still having Rand not seem evil.
but hes a straight cis white male. with extra special magic privilige. he has to be evil.
Aha, bur did you account that he's a MALE and can't do anything?
They should have just had him have that scene next to a specific statue... would atleaste make sense why he loses control.... but hey, I guess we can't expect that level of thought from these writers...
@@stevenstewart1033 That’s actually a good idea, I just realized that the show hasn’t established those things at all.
@PrinceofRavens64 the first 3 books were the weakest story wise but strongest at setting up the world, so later, books did not need to there is so much they are missing thats just going to take sooo many hours to try and fix and after this season it is not possible.
Rings of Power gave us the Slim Lady (aka Feminem), now Wheel of Time has given us Rand Shady.
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The great part about Verin is you didnt know how much she was paying attention. The scatterbrain was just a fasade.
Verin knew everything that was going on.
They definitely dropped the ball on verin. She hasn't been writing notes, carrying books or having ink smudges on her face.
This Verin is very warm and helpful, motherly even. She’s perceptive, and is clearly perceptive. It’s just not right - maybe Verin can become an ally without being so blatantly warm and caring. Now, we know that the Verin in the books is maybe the least bitchy of all the Aes Sedai, but she’s not like this.
Which only * spoiler * so * spoiler * and * spoiler * . But if she's presented as an Miss Marple clone, people will be more cautious of her, so * spoiler * can't really * spoiler * * spoiler * * spoiler * so she's less useful to them.
@@aaronc4899verin is great in the books. One of the best aes sadai
Maybe they were planning on moving her into the "Dark Tower" arc, so she was going to be a possible red herring of a darkfriend/ally character when that arc happens (or, fizzles out a bit IIRC) IDK.
Spoilers, I guess, but there's a rogue Aes Sedai, which is not entirely uncharacteristic of the Aes Sedai to be manipulative and evil. The question becomes more of motive than evil, for evil's sake. Since they are all selfish women, Evil is a matter of perspective when you have that much power, tied to a lack of humanity.
Giving Verin Marple her "knowledge" and a possible grey motive might be a series of red herrings, but that's also so ... petty. It's odd that they would make her so personable and snarky. It kind of reeks of author ambition, i.e. making her more like a modern version of a gossip monger / Miss Marple investigative character.
Alongside what they changed with Perrin and Min, it's a bit slapstick. i.e. WE NEED THIS CHARACTER TO NOW EXPLAIN ... THE BORING BITS OF BACKSTORY ... AND FORESHADOWING. Which is suspicious, because if they change Min this much, it does not bode well for the rest of the tower intrigue.
That they keep trying to make Liandrian seem like a sympathetic character is just another of the utterly moronic decisions they've made in this rewrite. I'm sure they're going to continue to try to make her seem at least morally gray at every evil decision she makes throughout the entire series. It's pathetic.
obviously, the reds are right for trying to put those evil hwite men in their rightful place. shackled and neutered.
Being an outright misandrist, sadistic sociopath is not enough to make one evil, or even unsympathetic, in the eyes of these writers. Be prepared for an 'she is actually the real victim' turn to her character arc, or even an attempt to paint her as a misunderstood heroine who has the 'strength of will' to do the 'difficult thing' (you know, torture and kill men for her own sick gratification thinly veiled as protecting the world from male Channelers) no other Aes Sedai is willing to do...
They are trying to make you feel sorry for her atm
Sooner or later they will show her other side or they will make her like Verin is in the books a spy for the light
Wheel wheel wheel. If you set me in this comparison Now I don't appear as wicked and insane to you, do I??
Now let me tell you about pronoums and the wrongfulness of biology
I just thought she was pretending to be sympathetic like the vile scheming liar that she is (or at least is in the books). I wouldn't put it past the writers to try to redeem the literal child slave trader but you never know.
😂 "She's not just a Princess!...She's also, an Alcoholic!"
Had me laughing so hard
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Oh dispy wispy you're doing good man, well done!
If the the blade master suffers from ptsd, why would booming sounds be the trigger? He’s only fought in medieval wars, surely it’s loud shouts, the ringing and scraping of steel that would be the trigger? He’s behaving like he is reacting to cannon and gun fire, which haven’t been invented yet.
Also a side note, it’s very strange that there would be an asylum for those with mental health issues considering the stigma of male channellers who go insane. Jordan’s world always showed the callous brutality that stigma and prejudice creates and served as a great warning against such attitudes. The show seems to have abandoned that
Since he fought Aiel, I could also see rustling trees or bird calls since they are famous for ambush tactics
A lot of the Aiel Wise Ones could channel. I'm assuming this is to set them up as battle mages later in the plot, when we all know they were not.
It's probably the writers being too stupid to realize that they don't have guns, cannon, etc.
You're functioning under the false assumption that any of the writers involved in this have gotten within 10 feet of the actual books.
You're trying to employ logic to the moronic writing of these idiot writers. That's so cute.
What's Rand up to? Oh. Nothing. Ok, well what's Perrin up to? Ah. Nothing. Mat, then? Nothing. They aren't going anywhere or doing anything. Arguably the most important characters in the story do nothing.
What I loved about Verin was her obsession with gaining knowledge. It gave her the appearance of a bookworm who only focused on what was in front of her and was interesting. In reality she was observing everything and used her appearance as a distraction so others wouldn't hide their secrets. She collected all knowledge, from history and science to secrets and it made her twist really understandable towards the end of the books
Well, guess what book she has in front of her on the table.
Most sober drinking game: Take a shot when they tell The Dragon Reborn's story.
Ouch
You’ll be drier than Utah on a Sunday afternoon.
@@brittonholdaway5730 lol Have we gone through a 2nd season since this comment? OMG, F*** this show. How DARE Rafe?? I think the book series is 2nd only to Tolkien, but UPDATE: I hope this show burns.
I’m SHOCKED (shocked, I tell ya) that Amazon doesn’t give a damn about the source material.
Well, not that shocked.
@Jamesmatise
I see you, too, are a person of culture.
I am flabbergasted! Who could have seen this coming?!
They evidently do, the show is full of book references, easter eggs, nods, and they're doing the same kind of scenes as much as possible.
@@csarmii an adaption should contain more than just a few references and easter eggs.
The fact that Rand has a physical relationship with one of the Forsaken is appalling. It’s gross. I guess the committee writing the show decided that there must be sex.
He would've, given the chance, in the books
@@TikkiNikkihe had plenty of chances in the books.
I am surprised you didn't mention how a seafaring army ends up invading a town that is supposed to be a half continent in land (spine of the world) and then proceeds to drag them back to the sea (falma). But you can't expect the writers to look at the map that is the first page of every book.
Such a weird decision by Amazon to acquire the rights for this book series, just to urinate and defecate on it in their live action adaption. Jeff Bezos must really hate the "Wheel of Time".
Well, just as you have Kathleen Kennedy running Disney Star Wars into the ground for Bob Iger, Jeff Bezos has Jennifer Salke, head of Prime Studios, to do the destruction on his behalf.
Perrin getting dragged the whole fight was the funniest thing.😂
So basically the genuflection to the altar of MODERN AUDIENCES and feminism in the form of 'the dragon could be a woman' (even though the good guys side is like, 90% female power to start with) caused them to completely deviate from the books, which meant lan didn't train rand, so they had to introduce a new character to do it etc etc.
Had they just shut their mouths, kept their political BS out of the script and allowed Rand to be, you know, the main character, everything else might've been salvageable and this could've been a good show. Maybe not amazing and certainly not authentic to the source material, but very watchable.
Now it's just patchwork on patchwork.
What an absolute travesty.
you just completely ignored Rand sleeping with Selande (Selene) instead of rejecting her, entirely ruining his arc of rejecting easy worldly pleasure that he could get from the devil and having some standards for women instead. Besides completely butchering Elayne's introduction thats the worst thing that happened in the first 3 episodes this season. And they did a lot of bad things.
actually it's worse. The ai seidi (forget the spelling) were not good people in the books. They are watered down in the show to make them look like girl boss good guys which they are not. Bonding in the books removes the bonded persons willpower in control of the castor. The show makes it out to be like something good. If you watched this season, the later part where morraine was rejecting her bond was quite brutal and damaging to him. As to some who has their will controlled buy the ai seidi this could shatter their minds.
@@swordinhand8356is wonder if they will cover the forced bonding of rand. Which is said to be the same as rape. I doubt they would make it look as bad in the show of ever got there
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It's Aes Sedia and yep, I think that was RJ's intention. He seemed to be creating a dichotomy of 'male magic = nasty/bad' while 'female magic = pure/good' which fits the Aes Sedai having all the power and Rand et al having so little to start with. This leads to Aes Sedai using blackmail and deception, forcibly binding Rand to a certain Aes Sedai (which I also interpreted as a form of r.ape) etc, all signs of unchecked feminine power in general (psychological bullying, gaslighting, manipulation etc).
I think RJ intended it to feel deeply unsettling for men in this world and that's why you root for the Two Rivers boys so hard. I don't think it was intended to be one sided as it's portrayed in the show, where Aes Sedai can take or revoke bonds on a whim. That is deeply disrespectful of the source material and represents a very twisted world view if the writer thinks that's ok.
This is another case of not my halo, not my witcher etc.
@@danieln6700 With the way they crapped on the Warder Bond, there's no way they'll treat that appropriately, unless they have an Asha'man do it first, of course.
So, the writers cannot follow a story, write dialogue, write a plot that makes sense from season to season or even within episodes, build a believable world, likeable characters or anything that requires a little bit of talent. And they expect us to believe they have planned something over 8 seasons? This show is a joke.
what's sad, is that all the members of Perrin's troop saw the visions.
Also... Elayne isn't that insufferable. She WANTED to be an Aes'sedai. She wanted to learn normality. She was happy to help common people, including when RAND jumped the castle wall and she found him and helped him. omg, they made her disgusting!!
wait.. how did LAN fail Morraine?!?! She ran away from LAN and got stabbed by a fade, so.. how did LAN fail her? She ran away from LAN at the end of Season 1 as well.
Perrin always use an axe!
I have to wonder why they base anything off of the books anymore, most of what they produce was never in the books.
nothing is based off the books, this is an Amazon show
Because coming up with that many character names is hard. Much easier to have some bald rich guy buy you an IP you can take some words from
@@nathanmorgan3647 😂
A lot of people who have never read the books have heard of them. Naming your garbage writing after something well known promises to sucker in low information audiences. Of course it doesn't actually work out in the way they thought, because everything they produce is so god awful, it even repels the people it tries to pander to.
I have a theory that he is gonna end up with Ingtar's axe when he dies
For the longest time I was hoping someone would buy the rights to some of Stephen R. Donaldson's work. After watching the last two reviews of what Amazon has done to WOT I'm so glad they haven't. WOT is a fantastic story the characters are amazing and the details are incredible. It deeply saddens me to see what they have done to such a great story. I like this channel so I'm looking forward to future reviews but I will not be paying for prime to watch this show or even watching it for free.
I believe there have been some rumors over the years. But in todays climate, the only way any studio would touch his stuff would be to “update it for a modern audience.” Out of curiosity, which series of his do you want to see? I’d vote for the Gap series.
Makes me want to NOT read the books now, to avoid the disappointment.
I find it funny that they are making the Shadow be somewhat sympathetic, meanwhile the Seanchan, the villain faction that actually has some redeeming qualities in the books, seem to be full on monsters now.
Well one side had sleves and the other did not (openly) not to mention Rarf has twisted morals and so he is closer to a darkfriend than a normal human.(or he is the dark one who ended up in our world after being beatten by a boy with spiky hair and a giant key, lol)
Dont forget the main bad guy is in direct control of the Seanchan for some reason.
The Seanchan represent the force of Law. Can't have that.
Seanchan is sympathetic in the books? You must love the taste of boot.
So many things to criticize about this adaptation, but seanchan being sympathetic? Holy hell.
The only reason you could feel any empathy for the seanchan is because of Tuon. Take your outrage hat off and think for a second before you type.
@@fy4b230 I didn’t say the Seanchan were sympathetic, I said they weren’t pure evil. They are still very much villains in the books, and I still very much root against them and am unhappy with how their plot line ended.
I grew up reading the Wheel of Time books and I ALWAYS thought that they would be perfect for a movie or television adaptation. Robert Jordan is so descriptive, clear, and concise with his writing that there is almost no room for interpretation - everything described to the reader in minute detail down to the clothes one is wearing or the "well-turned calves" they are showing. Everything should have been easy for Amazon, the casting, the wardrobe, the sets, the writing - but.....somehow they failed at everything. It honestly blows my mind. The books even fit in with their politics with male magic wielders being insane/evil and female magic wielders being some of the most powerful beings in the world. Yet they still failed. I would seriously love to meet these writers and producers just to see what deadly incompetence looks like.
"...I'm fluent in deluded nutter." Best line of the video.
The Perrin bit has NOTHING to do with the Wolfbrother stuff, it's part of Fain's growing powers, the scene is of a Trolloc entering the home and killing the family.
AND WHY DOESNT PERRIN HAVE AN AXE!?
Honestly Perrin was one of my favorite characters in WoT, even if his story arc was the most lackluster between the three. What they have done to this character is damn near criminal.
@@altorins Same, season 1 I hit the roof when they had him kill his wife in a fit of rage, it's the complete and total inverse of who Perrin is.
All of this is it's insane
@@UncensoredScion exactly while Perrin was emotional he didn't let his emotions rule him, he was also terrified of hurting those close to him as he was well aware of his own strength. Which in turn made him a formidable fighter and a pretty damn good strategist. He just didn't have the desire to stand out and just wanted to live a simple life. It's also why Faile was such a good match for him to give him a good push when he needed it.
@@UncensoredScionthat killing his wife thing was dumb af
@@UncensoredScion It wasn't even a fit of rage, it was just an accident because she snuck up behind him during the fight which, while plausible, is just stupid for his later plotline. Then again it seems that they are going to ignore the plotlines in the book.
The Warders are men, so naturally they've been made eunuchs (in the servant sense - considering the califorincation we got in Ep.1)
can you imagine how OP he is going to make the Aiel? He said "I saw one take out an entire regiment". Rafe said Avienda was his favorite character. So he'll have Avienda be better than John Wick, Capt America, Gandalf and Hercules. This shit is going to get hilariously bad.
It's a shame because Aviendha was one of my top five favorite characters but she become so over the course of many books. Rafe will just shoehorn in her awesomeness because she's a woman.
I do want to give kudos to the show runners. Having Elayne being interested in tinkering does help set up something from book 8+. Congrats, you get one point for foreshadowing. You are still in the negative hundred plus, but at least one positive.
Well, also Elayne is just spot on. That actor is Elayne.
That water filtering scene clearly foreshadows when Nynaeve cleanses the One Power all by herself.
I have a question: In the books, the Aes Sedai were big into Shawls. Where are the Shawls?
I lack words to describe how abysmal this season is. Never should have been done.
Tell you what, Disparu, you're making me want to read the books.
.....I can cautiously recommend them. Read the first novel before making up your mind. It's very Tolkien-esque and has a very "Fellowship of the Ring" feel about it.
If you fall in love with the world and characters, carry on, but be warned: the series completely bogs down in the middle. There are multiple books in the row where the narrative just completely dies for books on end with barely nothing happening before finally picking back up again in the final stretch.
Even then, the author had a prolonged death (cancer) and couldn't finish the series. He had time to pick and mentor a successor, leave him plenty of notes, explain where he wanted the narrative to go, etc, but the final 3 books of this 14 book series were written by a different author: Brandon Sanderson.
I was mostly through the series while this happened, and in preparation, I picked up some of Sandersons other works to see how worried/hopeful I should be. I read the MIstborn trilogy from Sanderson and fell in love with those as well. I could definitely feel the shift in authors, but many in the community feel that Sanderson finished the series better than Jordan himself would have.
That middle sections just dragged on so bloody much...
There are also a number of weird hangups of the author that made it into the book. Because of this, I wasn't entirely fearful when the showrunner mentioned he would need to change things. Waaay too much cattyness between the women, spanking (of women, by women), the whole 'lesbians are hot but no homo bro" vibe, Rand winding up with a harem, Perrin gets a wife from a culture that normalizes and even prides themselves on domestic goddamn abuse, Perrin's whole love triangle with the abusive tomboy princess and the slut-queen of a small country (sleeps around as part of hte politics needed to keep her small country from being annexed by a larger and more aggressive neighbor), and so much more. Oh, Lan and Nynavaeve have this really terrible marriage... honestly, I can't remember a single relationship that wasn't badly written/cringe...
Dear Lord, Elayne even begins flirting with a man MORE than old enough to be her grandfather when she learns her mother had a fling with him. Who himself just came off a relationship where his sugar baby, another girl MORE than young enough to be his grandfather, gets fridged. Who them hooks up with Moiraine in the end. The guy was Tom Merillim, the gleeman Mat and Rand travel with for a bit in the first book, but he later turns out to be a former royal bard/spy. Oh, and there is a whole subplot of Nynaveave having a prolonged, multi-book, cat-fight with Elayne that includes the bit about Nyna trying to stop Elayne from flirting with her mom's ex-boyfriend...
I really could go on. There's much I love about thebooks, but it definitely has parts I wouldn't mind skipped or touched up on. Heavily, in the case of pacing.
@@duncanlutz3698 I gotta say, the catty elements of some female characters seems pretty fair to reality. They aren't good qualities no, and that's ok. You mean the most important person in the world has more than one woman? Shocker. Princesses use arrangements for the securing of a small kingdom? Preposterous! A relationship with a girl who likes to get physically aggressive? Ridiculous! What a ridiculous set of imaginations by the esteemed author! A young woman insecure in herself unconsciously testing herself against a mature, charming and distinguished man, wise in the ways of the world and in possession of a history much greater than first meets the eye? He even rebuffs her very gently.. Why, you never see this stuff with real people! Agree with you on Nynaveave and Lan though, but you could chalk that up to diversity. Different strokes for different folks.
You should if you haven't yet
There's something about your snarky commentary Disparu that is a balm for my soul.
Regardless of the failures of the show, at the very least, your descriptions of how the story is supposed to go has inspired me to buy the first book and see how well I like it :)
If you do end up reading the series you'll see what an absolute mockery this "adaptation" is. The wheel of time really is an amazing story in so many ways. Enjoy!!
You've made a bad decision. Now you're going to be buying and reading this entire series for the next year or more depending on how fast you read and how much time you can steal from your other plans.
Just a warning, some people don't like the first book because the pacing is a little wonky. It as A LOT of build-up. If you like the characters and the world keep reading. Book two and onward don't have that problem.
@@xipheonj Don't worry, I read quickly when I'm interested, but thanks for the heads up! :D
@@jacobdad2742 Thank you, I hope I do enjoy it :)
I’m currently reading through book 2 now and have been hopping between it and these reviews, but I think I’ve come to the point where I can watch the reviews without worry of spoilers, because this show is so far from the wheel of time that I don’t actually have to worry about it actually containing the proper plot
My sister loves the books, but she didn't want to be spoiled so I couldn't show/tell her anything of the show (ie Disparu's reviews). She finally finished the series last week (she's a medical Resident, so no time) - just in time for us all to go see each other at my older sister's place for Passover. So I'm showing her at least Disparu's S02E01 review & she can watch the others on her own (I adore his unhinged glee at the Myrddraal reveal in that review).
My question is based off of how aviendha and elayne looks how is rand recognized as aiel???
Like red hair? Nope elayne has red hair.
Tall and pale?? Nope aviendha is black
Socthan what sets aiel apart within the show?
Raef clearly hasn't finished the second chapter of Book 1. He doesn't realize, yet, that the appearance of many of the characters makes them unique. He is still in the SJW mode of hire as many minorities as possible to fit the diversity and inclusion quotas over at Amazon. We knew we were in trouble when Amazon's version of the Two Rivers looked like modern day LA.
Elayne is supposed to have reddish blonde hair anyway and Rand doesnt look anything like described. The Aiel dont either. They look similar to the band of magical diverse creatures in the new Snow White "adaptation"
"reddish GOLDEN BLONDE"
Amazon: Lore was never an option.
nice one
Sad but true.
*Magneto theme sold separately*
Thank you for enduring the episodes for us. Really enjoy your content.
Rand has always been described as having red hair. So what do they do for Season 2? They shave his head. Another misstep is how the Aes Sedai are depicted. They're supposed to have an ageless look. The only way to tell how old they were was their hair would be grey or white. They fell short on that one. And as we've been told, "the fans don't know what they want, it's up to the producers to tell them what they want".
I've finally read the books, and this show transformed from just bad to painful
Jack Nicolson in "As Good as It Gets" responding to "How do you write women so well?": I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.
WoT Series writers: "Well, we took a glance at the books, and we threw away all the character progression and plot development."
I'm just shocked that Elayne somehow remained a redhead. They are usually the first to get race-swapped. Unprecedented respect for the source material for a woke show!
Well, they'd already done that with Aviendha, so maybe the daily quota was met by the time they cast Elayne.
Isn't Elayne a blonde? Ok, fine a "reddish GOLDEN BLONDE."
Being “woke”, as you put it 😒, is probably one of the few merits of this show.
@@AthenaNike71 Is it? In the show, Rand's village is somehow multi-ethnic, when it's tucked away in a mountain backwater in a world that doesn't have travel faster than horseback, which makes no logical sense. How is that better than having Rand and his friends travel the world and encounter different cultures and ethnicities, with diverse people from those cultures becoming major characters in the story, like it was in the books? The way Amazon (and most other "woke" shows) implement diversity makes no sense, just randomly race-swapping characters with no logic behind it, THAT's the problem. If they took a moment to think about how it would make sense, it would all be fine.
@@originaldarkwater Let's put it this way: it's not a problem TO ME. And "woke" is a made-up label that a bunch of racists and homophobes who worship a wannabe dictator (be it Trump or DeSantis) use to denigrate anything and anyone that is inclusive and does not toe the racist/homophobe/pseudo-Christian line. I hope you are not one of those.
19:12 Isn’t Sheriam supposed to be a voluptuous redhead? Her previously fiery nature was exemplified by her hair?
When I saw the release of the new season I was excited. Only because of your review not the car crash of a show itself. Cant wait for Ep3
I was excited to watch Amazon burn more money. I love watching Amazon burn money. Cant wait for episode 4.
I'm reminded of when the elderly Spanish woman took it upon herself to restore an old fresco of Jebus and botched it up royally.
I'm getting hints of the original lore as you describe it but mostly all there is to see is just the droopy mess someone made of it.
...I hear the old lady eventually wanted to be paid a lot of money when her work became famous.
Thanks for another great review to listen to. I plan on making a more faithful adaption of the wheel of time books later. it will follow a older man riding a wagon around town a hour each episode while a woman tugs her braid glaring at him and yelling everytime it bounches while he says "yes nynaeve".
I think the showrunners know there is no way they'll ever get enough seasons to do the show justice, so they're trying to cram in as much as they can as quickly as they can... ultimately making a crummy product and becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.
The way the book describes them………I always envisioned the Two Rivers people to be Italian looking.
The thing that made me the most mad other then totally taking everything and pretty much redoing all of it, is changing Matt and making his father a leacher and making Matt run away. Watched the first season and will not watch any more. Have read the books more then 5 times, started when number 6 came out so read the first 6 then when the next one would come out I would start them over at one and read them all again and would re-read them every so often after the last one came out so yeah very disappointed with the show to say the least.
Matt having an upstanding family who is moderately ashamed of him really adds much more to his character as a rakish rogue with a hidden heart of gold. These writers can't stick with a good script.
Mat's story lines were a nice departure from the rest and a mental break but they just changed the actor and put him in jail for the whole show, basically.
This has all the hallmsrks og someone who threw out the ikea step-by-step guide, guessed at what they were building, amd tried desperately to convince people that the hideous monstrosity they'd made was a chair.
Verin only knows about the dragon because shes in the room at the time they bitchered chapter 7 of the great hunt
I assume if they actually get to the Stone of Tear plotline, they'll leave out Berelain entirely - can't be depicting a female leader who uses seduction as a diplomatic tool and dresses for effect.
Well, it'll be more girl power and very superficial seduction. That kind of hypocrisy is well entrenched into their mindsets.
@1Plebeian One of her lines to Rand is "If you must be harsh, be harsh - so long as you will hold me".
While wearing a very low-cut top, as they're alone in his bedchamber.
She's flat-out desperate for him to do whatever he wants to her so long as she gets his protection and political support.
Rewriting the scene would require ignoring the situation her lands are in. Which they'll totally do, admittedly - they've done worse already. But I suspect it's more likely that she'll be cut from the show.
@@GoblinKnightLeo yea, that's not gonna happen lol.
Good point but I always found myself smiling at the back and forth between her, Faile Bashere, and Perrin Aybara. Fun stuff!
Thank GOD...something to watch. Thanks Disparu.
Rand with that short hair looks like captain cold from that prison break show.
45:00 to be fair, ogier could lift and throw trollocs. not 20 ft, but those are humans so it's probably in the same ballpark. It would seem less impressive if he was his proper size, but yeah.
Fair enough, but, referring to the books, Loial was very hesitant to act violently, even in self defense but they just crapped all over that too. The contrast in pacing and processing between Ogier and humans was one of the running jokes. Not to mention such contrasted nicely when the core group was thrown into/encountered violent situations and how they had to navigate such with Loial being present. Such complexity is beneath the "creative" team, though.
33:33 -- How would the show's writers feel differently if their characters hadn't had breakfast this morning?
"Californian mess…"
Winning phrase
Remembering the epic scene at the end of The Great Hunt when Rand fights Ishamael and says "Not once in a thousand lifetimes have I ever served you". At that moment the series went from intriguing to pure epic for me. The show will probably not even have the scene and if they do it will probably be Nynaeve or Egwene fighting Ishamael while Rand and Lan bumble about in the background. Rafe should just make Egwene the Dragon Reborn already, he clearly so desperately wants to.
I guess the writers drank that "I don't want a real relationship" Kool-aid. But really want to pretend this is the normal thing that everyone else should be ok with.
Maybe don't just use your partner as a stand in, and maybe care about them? I know I am breaking new ground here with this concept, but maybe if people valued their significant other, like a human being these people wouldn't be useless anxiety ridden slops of depression, with no integrity.
A disparu video already this week?!!! My week is starting beautifully.
I've never read the books and know nothing about the story. I just enjoy watching these review's 😆
It really is quite an accomplishment to base a show on a series of books and have the show play as more of a fan fiction based on the books.
I'm actually reading the books right now and the dead fade stuck to the door was kind of a mystery. It was not immediately known that it was Padin Fain.
So they've used basically none of the plot and barely any of the world building from the books? Yet they can still claim it's Wheel of Time because they use the same names the books do. You might as well make a modern fantasy movie about werewolves fighting vampires and call it Star Wars because the three main characters are named Han, Luke, and Leia, and one of them has telekinetic powers.
This is an Example of not having any Reading Comprehension, on top of Speed Reading. Wrath thought he could read the first book and comprehend what was coming. and produced S1 now he's read the Second book and Realized he messed it up, and is trying to fix it, on top of playing out the Great Hunt. And He Can't.
How you're not referring to it as "Waste of Time" yet, I'll never know.
@Disparu , Elayne gets to the tower before Nynayeve, Min, and Egwene in the books and she's already started novice training , also the characters didn't get aged up they're the same age in both the series and the books, what they did is make them more cosmopolitan and sexualised them a whole lot more, there is references in both series and books that Morianne has searched for the boys for 20 years, what the show essentially did is remove their adherance to honor, duty and their naievity, and made them vastly more worldly, and removed all their innocence and made them worse versions. though yeah they aged up both Egwene and Min
Didn't Loial use a tree sung staff as a weapon not an axe at this stage ?
So what youre saying is, they applied "Hollywood sensibilities," or to put it another way, "they were real creeps about it"
Yea they reversed Elayne and Egwene meeting. A really cool choice actually, it's fun to see Elayne arrive.
I have a strong feeling they're going to put that daughter-heir girl with Egwene.
And a CW Young Adult love triangle - Min, Matt, and Rand. Lots of moody moping and Evanescence music to go around.
i would actually pay to see that, they already fucked up Elaynes story so much. In first book Rand climbs into the palace gardens Aladdin style and they have a romantic meeting. Instead shes just turned into a spoiled brat first scene shes in. And she was one of my favourite characters in the books just because she wasnt an arrogant brat for growing up rich. rip.
Liandrin's jawline is more impressive than the entire show.
I actually laughed out loud at this. Can't help but stare at her face shape though. Face of a villain, indeed.
Didn't Perrin always use an axe... Why does he have a sword?
Yes but these fools can't even get his basic themes correct. Let alone his axe
@@janaanklassen87 True dat
it would be strange if he was using a sword, in this show
and dont forget he already converted to aiel religion. he doesnt eat meat. but the people making this forgor that not using swords was like the number one tenant of their religion. F.
Yep! In the early books anyways. I think he switches to a sledge hammer later on though, iirc. I guess the props department figured no one would notice???
smfh. . .
They didn't Nuked the Lore Disparu they cast a SuperNova on the Lore into the Netherrealm
I was really looking forward to this series. Then I watched the first episode. BLASPHAMY! I went back to reading the books.
Amazon says they make shows because it makes people more inclined to shop there. This show makes me never want to spend another dime at Amazon. Well done.
Being English is an all-in-one excuse to pronounce name how ever I want. I also read it Track-And.
Edit : If Elayne has been boozing all this time, that 'One Cup Of Wine' Chapter is going to turn into a scene from Raiders. Shots till she drops!
This is the Well of Time, except it's dry, the story is at the bottom of it and Lassie isn't around to tell anyone.
Its clearly supposed to be Track-and, but Disparu has mispronounced a lot of other names, including saying "Eys" Sedai instead of Aes Sedai. Its pronounced "ae" as in Latin. One of the very few things this abomination of a tv show got right.
ee-LAIN trah-KAND
No c and only one t.
@@Syaniiti No point, my brain read as that and it always will, if that bothers you enough to comment then the way I say Moh-ged-ian will drive you mad. 🙃
@@MagicE13 You can pronounce it however you want, it's not like I have any idea how to actually pronounce Guenhwyvar, except maybe in Rally English.
My point was mostly that the show was wrong to say Trakant, the actors literally get paid to say things "the right way". Well, it seems like in this show you must despise WoT or get fired so there's that.
i watcht all of your Wheel of Time Review yesterday and you were describing how the aktual lore is. now i'm going to get the books or audio because the worldbuilding seems really great after listening to you.
still going to watch all of your review on how sch.... the series is couse its entertaining to sch... on sch... xD hope we see you on EFAP again!
This show had 10 seasons worth of content, easily... and they said 'fuck it'. I'd be surprised if it went past s2 if they continue this way
If they did the books accurately they could make a good movie series of 1 movie per book. Which is about 15 years worth of content with yearly releases. The next MCU. If they really went slow they could do 2 movies per book like Villeneuve is doing with Dune. Instead they decided to make a garbage tv show that will last 4-5 seasons and get canceled for losing money.
@@TheSuperappelflapThere is no way they could cram each book into two hours. It was a struggle even with harry potter and those are like half the lenght of these books. There is a lot they can cut but not that much and have it still make sense.
11:10 Why do they look like they're in an insane asylum?
47:04 Maybe they were going for a Prices Leia with Ho Hos instead of Cinnamon Rolls?
The way Disparu talks about the books I think I’ll get my whole family the first book so we can read them together.
Best fantasy series ever written. Astounding. You'll find that out. This show is a travesty.
The books are great, the biggest downside is that if you grew up reading the books there were long iterations between, and then when Robert Jordan died didn't think it would ever get finished. Brandon Sanderson did an amazing job though with wrapping things up under the circumstances.
@@JohnnyZenith LOTR is still better imo but its a close second. Long gap between this and third. and I have read a LOT of fantasy.
@@JohnnyZenith thanks for the push! Just got a copy as a St Greg’s Day present from me to me.
@@JohnnyZenith come on man. put some respect on tolkien!
There are no Seanchan in the 3rd book or no encounters of substance. I mean in book 4 they are there, in the form of the Shipless one.
4:48 Wait, what? He's seeing a woman in the house while they're chasing the horn?
Ok, first of all, he doesn't see her in the books, but at this point, he may as well be Perrin, Uno, Ingtar and Hopper all at once.
Second, the woman they see but can't find, is Selene. Spoilers, Selene isn't just some woman Rand meets, she's following him and is an important character.
Following RAND by the way. RAND. Just, Rand. We see in this episode she has FOUND Rand, she is FUCKING Rand, which ruins the ENTIRE story by the way, that's like a taboo. So she has no reason or even ability to also be following Perrin at the same time. This makes NO sense. Yes it was technically in the books, but this story was completely DIFFERENT in the books too. Selene doesn't just follow groups of soldiers and peek out windows.
Next, Perrin's power is not to see the past, that's fucking retarded. He is a wolf brother, he can communicate with wolves and he tracks the Dark Friends that took the horn by having WOLVES track them. Wolves hate Trollocs, that's why they're cool with helping. Giving him the power to see what happened in a place, and not to mention having his eyes turn their NORMAL color when he isn't actively using this new power, fucks the series.
Lastly, yes, something like this DID happen in the books. It happened to Rand, but Rand isn't allowed to do anything in this show.
Anyway he checks an empty house, and he gets stuck in a loop, seeing the family sit down for dinner, hearing the Trollocs come, then the vision loops back to the start after a Trolloc bursts into their home and presumably kills or captures them. Between loops, flies start to just appear everywhere. Eventually they COVER the entire place like a layer of paint. Rand doesn't even know how long he'd been standing there when he finally snapped out of this vision. This event was the first bubble of evil, a very very important phenomenon that was teased here and then more thoroughly explained later. You COULD cut it and not damage the story, but cutting the hunt for the horn to so many shreds, it doesn't make any sense that THIS is the thing you'd keep, and moreover you'd make it a super power that Perrin just has. It's like they're determined to do EVERYTHING wrong.
There aren't insane asylums in this world, the gentled men are kept at the white tower, not transported halfway across the fucking WORLD. It's actually EXTREMELY important that Logaine is AT the white tower, because despite what these showrunners think, THE STORY AFTER THE SCENE THEY'RE SHOOTING HAS ALREADY BEEN WRITTEN.
Liandrin would never try to recruit Nynaeve like that. First of all she wouldn't give a shit until she was at least Accepted, which is where she should start. Second, she wouldn't be recruiting anyway because of spoiler reasons. ELAIDA is the one who Liandrin has been mixed with, and that's really bad, because those two characters are VERY different. Yes they're both Reds, but that doesn't mean they can just be slapped together. Cutting Elaida of all people from the show literally ruins ENTIRE BOOKS.
Anyway, even if she did want to recruit, she wouldn't do it like that. She took the HEALER to a HEALING. That would obviously be advertising for the YELLOWS, as they ARE LITERALLY ALL ABOUT HEALING! There's literally an entire Ajah focused entirely around HEALING, Nynaeve would OBVIOUSLY choose THEM if you show her how amazing magical HEALING is. If they really wanted a Red to try and recruit Nynaeve, first of all they should've had Elaida do it, she actually takes a personal interest in the girls in the books. Second they should have educated her about the horrors of a male channeler. Told her stories about the death they cause, death which CANNOT be healed. The only way to heal the horrors committed by male channelers, is to stop them before they commit such horrors. Now, they don't really have a way to find them faster, but.... Perhaps what they need, is for the Yellows to stop poaching the skills that could accomplish that? Perhaps a talented healer working with the REDS could discover a weave that would identify male channelers like healers identify injuries and disease? Besides, it's not like you can't heal normally without joining the Yellows.
THAT would be an interesting conflict. Provide her some motivation to join the Reds instead of the obvious choice of the Yellows, displaying an AMAZING example of the game of houses and how they maneuver.
Elaine's mother went to the tower, and in the books she was well aware of how she would be treated. Like a Novice. Her expecting a bigger, fancier room and having servants decorate her room MONTHS after she got here, cause she's supposed to have arrived BEFORE Egwene, is entirely out of character. Making her behave like a spoiled bratty Princess is also entirely out of character. And this is the best character in the show folks.
Aes Sedai train SPECIFICALLY TO KEEP CONTROL OF THEIR EMOTIONS, so Liandrin BLOWING UP for basically no reason and getting hysterical proves she SHOULDN'T be Aes Sedai. We SEE what they have to go through to be raised, this situation is NOT on that level, not even CLOSE. She should be calm and collected no matter what, THAT'S WHY SHE IS A SISTER! Cause if you lose it in a dangerous situation, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO CHANNEL! But they've retconned that too!
Wait you call him lowy el?
It's pronounced Loyal. Loial. You know, like it's spelled? I know Brits say everything wrong, including words in English, but maybe you SHOULD give the Audiobooks a go?
Which reminds me, why do you keep calling Sheriam Sharrim? I know she's nothing like Sherriam from the books, but still.
I always thought Loial wasnt pronounced as "loyal" when I read it. Thought it was Loh-ial.
I have more disagreement with Disparu saying "Eys Sedai" instead of "Aes", you know, with the vowel "ae" as in proper Latin? Pronounced as the "Aye" in "aye laddie" in proper Scottish :P
Anyway yeah Rand actually physically having intimate times with Selande screws everything up, the entire point was that she was really hot but he didnt want to because she was evil and the whole Christ metaphor? But in this version everyone is super horny all the time because its written by women who have no morals or principles.
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In general I have agreed with your assessments. However, Verin only appears scatterbrained in the book until she unassumingly skewers you with her command of reality. Then as you bleed out on the floor leaves you wondering if she meant to do that or if it was some sort of accident.
everything feels like it was written and directed by a californian student, they all have this 'fake' air to them that makes them come across as a school production with a higher budget.
"Wait, there is lore to this!?" The writers room probably 😏
Maybe this is the final rotation of the wheel 8th the third age? Maybe the dark one will win in the Amazon version? That would explain why all the characters are bad and failing at their roles.
I hope so
That's way too good of an outcome to expect. XD
Yes. This is just a farcical copy of a real IP. Thanks for shedding light on what all the book fans are thinking. What have they done? Why even call it Wheel of Time at this point? They should have just called it something else with the Wheel of Time characters.
I feel like the writers are only reading the books as they write the shows and are going to be in for a big panic once they get to book 5 and realize they spent a whole lot of time on a character that really doesn’t have that much screen time in the grand scheme of things.
joke's on you, you think theyre reading the books.
What character? I've read the books
@@danieln6700 Moiraine. She sacrifices herself in The Fires of Heaven (book 5) and doesn't appear again until the end of Towers of Midnight
@@danieln6700Definitely Moiraine. She's pivotal as the mentor character that gets the plot moving, and her presence continues to loom over the other characters as the narrative moves on past her... but yeah, she's missing for at least half the series. Her return near the very end is this huge triumphant moment... but the story had largely moved on past her several books before this.
Oh, and Nynaave bonds Lan to save him after Moiraine "dies." They get married, and it's a rather awkward reunion for them at first. Although it's firmly established that playboy Lan (he was quiet the ladykiller in the books, at least before he became a Warder) and Moiraine were never an item, but the Aes Sedai/Warder bond they shared for 20+ years was very... intimate all the same. I'd say Lan and Nyna don't really work as an item in the books either, and their marriage is really awkward and weird.
My point being that Lan sticks around as Nynaave's +1 for most of the series long after everyone accepts Moiraine's death.
Moiraine is then awkwardly paired with Tom Merillim in the end, who had a much stronger role throughout most of the story (and was even older). That man FUCKED as well, and even had a fling with Elayne's mother... which then leads to Elayne flirting with him after learning about the affair when she, Nynaeave, Mat, Tom, and a couple others spend a few books traveling together. There is a whole subplot of Nynaeve slipping back into her "Town Wisdom" role from the Two Rivers (basically a mix between healer and morality police) over this as she tries to 'straighten out' Elayne's clearly inappropriate behavior... that Elayne herself refuses to acknowledge is even happening... as part of a greater cat-fight between them that lasts waaaaaay too long.
Yeah, I love the books, but they definitely had some questionable content in them I wouldn't mind being clipped out in an adaption... but not like what we are getting now.
I am almost positive this old man Rand is learning the Sword from is a mix of lan and the crazy old man he has running his school for inventions
Every time Amazon is doing another adaptation you know how it’s going to end.